Wayfair's Shameful Layoff - Can You Lose Your job On Disability Leave?
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- Wayfair Employee Laid Off While Getting Chemotherapy. The unfortunate stories keep coming in, and this one is particularly disappointing. Wayfair has conducted a major layoff recently and one of the employees who was affected was on disability leave. What happens to your insurance? Let's discuss.
PS...Even FMLA won't protect you in this case. “An employee on FMLA leave is not protected from actions that would have affected him or her if the employee was not on FMLA leave…the employer must be able to show that the employee would have been laid off during the FMLA leave period."
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Love how CEOs always want CEO level dedication, but are never willing to offer CEO level compensation.
Exactly. It's ridiculous how CEOs expect lower level employees to work themselves like crazy when the compensation they are getting rewarded with is many times not worth it. Also, they don't have nearly as much equity as the CEOs have when those CEOs get paid in stock.
BINGO!!!!!!!!
"Treat it like your own company" type of talk. Ok, give them shares and a significant bonus structure if you want that. If not, it's 9-5 and done.
Capitalism is great, until CEO's run off with the company bag. Funny how they want exorbitant profits to come to them, but go by market rates for associates. Weird business.
Probably cuz low level employees have low level skills. 🤣
CEOs message decoded: "you guys better work your behinds off so that I can collect my absurdly high bonus and buy my new boat"
These holier than thou corporate executives simply disgust me.
"My previous mega-yacht was a bad investment even before it was eaten by killer whales, I need a bigger and better one this year!"
@@DarthPiiratehopefully those killer whales are still out there and looking for yachts
Preach
They have the politicians paid off. They are running the show
Sheesh was that letter out of touch or what, did he even take a second look before deciding to send it out. No corporate loyalty, F that.
Laying a person off who has cancer is sick and disturbing. I don’t know how some of these people sleep at night🤦🏽♀️.
No soul, no morals. That is how.
They don't really care.
This is also a huge reason why healthcare should not be tied to your job. It is absolutely ridiculous that we cannot remove the link between these two.
It's crazy that it is tied to your job. Even companies would be much better off if they weren't paying for this benefit for employees... everyone wins.
Thank the tax code.
I totally agree.
If we had universal single payer healthcare like most every developed country (also called Medicare for All), doctors would benefit too with not having to deal with different rules from different insurance companies. Our system means poor results while being the most expensive.
@@bevtaylor5466 No, that's the government/socialist approach, which is what they want us to think is the solution. Go down that route, and the government gets MORE control over your health care. Is that something you really want?
What did we have before the 1960s? People paid out of pocket going rates. No government subsidies. No insurance companies requires. And the doctors and hospitals would comp the service if you were poor or on hard times. Without requiring all the middlemen, and all the extra paperwork to process everything, costs were MUCH lower, and affordable to most.
Anything government subsidizes gets way more expensive. Just look at education as another example. So I ask again: Do you REALLY want MORE government involvement in health care?
The whole system needs a reset - and I'm not just talking about how health care works.
I was laid off from Wayfair last January and the whole experience was incredibly dehumanizing. After almost 7 years with the company we were treated terribky at the end. Wayfair used to be such a great place to work, and changed slowly over time. Thank you for bringing light to this.
I worked there for almost 3.5 years after big projects expect to get fired no matter how good and productive you are. They have done this multiple times where they hire a bunch of people to rob competition of workers and then they lay them off. Please buy your furniture from local shops or crafts people, better quality and lasts longer.
It’s ludicrous for any business owner to expect employees to have the same dedication they do, and allow a job to infringe on their personal life. Business owners reap all of the profit. Employees, on the other hand, get paid for doing a job, and therefore should have boundaries.
If every employee is given a significant amount of Shares in the company then only can CEOs open their mouth about working extra hard. Otherwise they should give away ALL their own shares to employees if they want them to let work infringe on family time. Only someone with no self respect for work for NIRAJ.
This should be illegal. Even if she is laid off, she was on disability and her health insurance should be paid until she obtains another job or she looses her fight with cancer.
Oh wait, that would dilute the real fight for universal health care.
COBRA is an insult.
@@autumnmoonfire3944 she might be able to get insurance through the affordable care act exchange, and being that she has a low income on disability, she might receive a hefty subsidy i.e. the taxpayers provide her insurance.
Yeah, I mean one thing is an emergency, or unforseen event, where ok you need to help out. but any expectation beyond that is too much
HR will never stand up for the employees. HR will always gaslight on behalf of the company. That’s exactly why employees consider unions.
As someone that worked in HR, I agree. It’s because of this that I’ve strongly considered a career change. I don’t want to spend my life in a role where I’m expected to switch off empathy like a damn light switch.
Too bad Unions are trash.
HR is to protect the company against lawsuits. It is not to advocate for employees. Training of employees is imperative to HR, so they have less risk of being sued by employees doing the wrong thing.
When the Personnel Departments were renamed to Human Resources this name change brought with it a substantial shift in attitude toward their employees. The employees are no longer persons (personnel), they are a resource, like an ink cartridge or forklift truck. To be used up and discarded instead working with and improving your work force.
HR is mainly to protect the company from potential lawsuits.
Wayfair needs to be boycotted!
If you weren't boycotting then when they were doing kids, then you are part of the problem
@@cpK054L So true. Creepy company, I go out of my way to source the same products from elsewhere. I expect that most of the employees don't know about this.
@@cpK054L OH by the way, I do Have some beach front property to sell you ON nickles on the dollars.
and when boycotted, more people like this lose their jobs sad all the way around :(
@@cpK054Lno, people like you who believe debunked garbage are the problem.
Terrible of this CEO to do this. "Wayfair, you got just what no one needs." Wayfair? More like unfair.
Only fools and people with ZERO self respect should continue working at Wayfair after all this has come to light on how they treat employees. Sooner or later the ones who stay will face the same bad outcome.
Way Unfair
@@rejectionistmanifesto8836been had a plan to go. Place is a whole ass scam
If your business model requires employees to continuously go above and beyond in their duties to make ends meet, your business model sucks.
Stage 4 is the final stage of cancer and the person will most likely not survive through it. I know someone in this situation and they have been given weeks, as opposed to months, to live. I'm pretty sure the company is aware of this and just want to save paying her while she goes through the situation. Cold, cruel and heartless doesn't begin to describe that thinking!
Studies show that a high percentage of sociopaths and narcissists are in corporate management. That strikes me as though that's a pretty good reason.
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A breeding ground for those kinds of people because two of their favorites are at play, money and power! Where you find those two intersections, you’ll find LOTS of evil!
Yeah I have read several studies certifying that the higher you go on the corporate ladder, the higher will be the level of dark triad traits you will face, all the way to the top where the CEO is located.
These people are COLD and ruthless, they don’t care about their employees at all and the facade they put and virtue signaling is all a farse to save face.
Working with some as we speak
@@Tyneras I don't think that's entirely true. There are people out there who are not abusive nut jobs who have the ability to run large businesses. Unfortunately some equate cruelty with strength and this is the mess we have
Wayfair can afford to run constant TV ads with celebrity endorsement, they can afford to keep people on the insurance.
This happened to our family as well. My husband was a union carpenter in Michigan. 6 years ago he became disabled…on the job accident. They offered our family Cobra insurance for 750 a month min.
Long story short…our whole family lost our health insurance.
My husband got workman’s comp and finally after a few years of court he got SSDI.
Just a heads up for men or woman trying to raise a family.
Be prepared to loose it all😔
In Europe the employer would pay up a huge compensation to the employee for doing something like this. I can't believe how little basic employment rights people have in the US...
because the motto here in US is "all for profit", it's all about $$ in every industry and in every corner, little to no humanity left...
Having your health insurance provided by your employer is a conflict of interest. This incentive system needs to be torn down and replaced with a free market insurance marketplace that operates independent of employment status.
Employer provided insurance is a benefit. You don't have to use it. You can go to the market for your insurance. Nobody is forcing anyone to use the employer subsidized health insurance. I happen to prefer the insurance benefit my employer provided over what's available on the market. Your mileage may vary, but this isn't a systemic problem that needs to be overhauled
If we're ever brave and interested enough to explore universal or single payer options and push our legislators, then maybe.
@@danf1862bullshit.
What the US really needs is a Universal Healthcare system like every other developed democracy on the planet.
@@danf1862that’s true only thing is if you don’t take the employer insurance you can’t get a tax credit on the market place. You are essentially forced to take the insurance that your employer gives you. I too think it should be completely separate from your job.
Layoffs should require federal approval and have financial restrictions on the top brass. Boards and officers should have a 24 month restriction on payouts. If they can’t “afford” to keep workers, they clearly can’t afford to pay themselves any extra 🤷. In addition, severance should be federally mandated and NOT available as a business expense tax write off. I worked for Verizon for 17 yrs and survived 2 layoffs. The last one, the CEO had a record payout with “record performance”. That shouldn’t be allowed.
I am a proponent of passing the maximum wage law, just like the minimum wage law. I recommend that the CEO's total compensation be a maximum of 50X of the average workers' compensation so that when CEOs want to get paid more, they need to increase the workers' total compensation.
Agreed! Just like there’s a minimum wage there should be a max for CEOs and higher ups in all companies. Why does 1 person need multiple homes, boats, and lavish vacations when your workers are having to be on government assistance while working! Put a cap on all corporate greed, equality for humanity. I don’t have any respect for companies that underpay their workers!
This is a genius idea
50x is still too much for me. In the 60s, (you know, back when many families could be supported by a single wage earner) ceos earned about 20-25x the average salary of employees at their company. I'd cap it at 25x.
One of my buddy's is a Labor Lawyer. He said laying-off or firing someone while on disability leave is way illegal!! She can sue the shit out of Wayfair and that bald-headed prick CEO, and get hundreds of thousands of dollars in punitive damages, if not millions!! Wayfair is a shit company for doing what they did to that lady, Bryan!!
Did he bother. to actually say what law(s) was broken? Was it a state law that likely would not apply here, or a Federal one?
Why do I picture the CEO saying about the lady on disability "You know if she had blended her personal life with her work life better like getting those reports done while she was getting chemotherapy on disability leave we wouldn't have to terminate her!"
You can guarantee the CEO takes a week off any time he has a runny nose or coughs.
I doubt they even looked. They probably pulled up a spreadsheet of employees, filtered by type, sorted by hours worked and fired the lowest fraction.
@@ewanfraser This.
😂😂😂😢 why did I laugh
Why would he even be aware or care?
I blend work and life by slacking off, shopping online, watching RUclips, and taking frequent breaks to go on short outdoor walks at work. Who knew blending life into work could be so fun!?
This is the way! ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻
Nice work.
It's funny how employers are much less enthusiastic about blending work and life in your case.
@@sexygeek8996 I mean, they do it all the time. Meetings, luncheons, circle jerks, golfing, relaxing and chatting it up, more meetings. It's not as if all executives are always working hard, especially when they rack up so many vacation trips, outings and get to spend more time with their families.
@@0hffs Yes, they do. They consider themselves to be a privileged class and everyone else to be peons. Company rules don't apply to them and when something goes wrong it is always someone else's fault.
I worked for a company like that. It eventually went bankrupt but all the smart employees saw it coming and left before it happened.
I know 40 people who got fired while on Disability Leave
I know 20 people who got fired while on " Sabatical "
I know 30 people who got fired while on "leave" to attend weddings, maternity, and funerals ....
This is not unique. This is happening a lot lately.
My sister lost her job when she fallen 🤒 ill. She was an excellent employee. She got Employee of the Year 2022. Then late last year, she fell sick. And she had to visit the hospital. She missed work.
Then her work email told her, she'd fired
15 years of loyalty to the firm. And she's terminated.
What kind of American Economy is this?
It just getting worse. I'm scared now about my job security now.
I hope your sister finds somewhere better then there.
I was laid off while in vacation
What never ceases to amaze me is how out of touch the c-suite can be with their employees. I worked at a large organization several years ago that cut about 2,000 people. They increased the work of the remaining staff and they insisted on focusing on how well they were doing. My assistant director at the time told me it would take a generation for the employees to trust the c-suite because of how badly they treated the employees. I still have a lot of trauma from those times because everyone I knew was scared of their job because they didn't know if they would survive. One guy I met stated that goign to his job was like having a loaded gun to their head. Shame on these out of touch C-suite members for gaslighting their employees! Sorry for my rant I just had to get that off my chest
It's been said that if a corporation were a person, they would be a Sociopath.
At the time of layoffs you think you're lucky if you aren't cut, the reality usually hits and those that were laid off are able to get out of that mismanaged and often very toxic environment.
@@jefesalsero the day, the government declared that corporations were people that was the day that humans were no longer valuable to them
What is C Suite? Ty.
@@laraoneal7284 major heads of corporation, CEOs, CFO’s people who profit off of the workers executives who are out of touch with reality
The people who expect you to be available 24/7 and to "seamlessly" blend work/life - how much do you want to bet they hire other people to do their grocery shopping, their laundry, clean their house, drive their kids around, take care of elderly parents, etc. They seem to have willful blindness to the reality of everyday life.
I was job hunting mid-2021 with 20+ years engineering experience. They contacted me and wanted me to take an online test before they'd have someone actually talk to me. Then the 'recruiter' told me they were hiring so many people that they didn't have enough management and engineers to interview people and were completely outsourcing it.
I declined their generous offer to waste my time and derail my career then made a mental note to never deal with Wayfair. So this story was entirely predictable.
Well, I posted this on LinkedIn the coward that laid off all of these people is not allowing any comments on his LinkedIn page. This poor woman does have a GoFundMe. It was just recently set up.
sounds like a standard, sick and crazy way to run interviews...
And employers are wondering why it is supposedly harder to work with certain generations. The younger generation is paying attention to this corporate heartlessness and double speak.
She needs to get a lawyer
What for? So she can pay him/her to tell her that she is a non-union employee and there are zero legal protections in the United States to help her?
@@dchardin1 when you go on disability you start with a FMLA application. That should prevent her from being let go while on leave. Back in 2022 I had to do the whole FMLA and short term disability thing. They don't make it easy to do
I agree. An employment/labor lawyer will let her know if her company can legally do this, which I don’t believe they can. She may also be able to sue for the duress of being laid off that way while sick.
@@sabeenie21 this is what I happen to do for a living. She can sue them.
Then yep, lawyer time. Sounds pretty open/shut then.
Great to expose this kind of thing. Kudos to Life After Layoff, this guy always seems like a really decent bloke.
These types of CEOs are what makes people hate corporate leadership. They think because they work lots of hours you need to do that too. Difference being: they make millions and you make zilch. But these blockheads seem to be think that doesn't actually matter. How out of touch can you be?
If you want an answer go visit an Ivy League university
Hard work is rarely rewarded. The thing that is rewarded is the work that the manager above your manager values.
Wayfair has gone down hill and I used to purchase a lot from them often. This is the nail in the coffin. I hope she sues them and gets a nice settlement. May she pull this time and survive. That CEO is a sick man.
There really is no reason to make this process so soulless and evil.
When you are on your deathbed, no one is going to say, “If I had just pushed myself, I could have taken one more chair🪑order for Wayfair.”
Wow.......... companies wonder why employees have become jaded and ruthless with employers. Smh always look out for yourself and never stay loyal to companies. Smh companies look at you as a number instead of a human being.
As Bryan has said before. Company loyalty is dead.
@@bencharlie9509 I learned that last year after a terrible pay raise and a PIP.
This is the understatement of the year.
"I am not a number! I am a free man!" ~ The Prisoner
The CEOs and rest of fat cats don't care if we the peasants sticking a big middle finger in front of them. They know that the improving AI will eventually take over certain levels of jobs.
I love how corporate simps say the CEO takes on all the risk, yet whenever a risk doesn't pan out the CEO simply makes everyone else pay for it by laying them off.
I bet they didn’t lay off any of the “leadership team” who “negligently hired a bunch of people” that had to be laid off.
Yeah the management never changes, they just throw all the little people under the bus. This was how it was where I used to work. Management cuts all the workers out and expects 1 person to do the job of 10; news flash people can only be in 1 location at a time.@@amicaaranearum
Sadly earlier this week, due to the stress at work, I suffered a mini-stroke and was hospitalized. I have an appointment with my PCP and can really relate to this story. I am hoping that my employer does not lay me off while I recover…
Best of luck to you!
Good luck. I hope you have a full recovery.
Holy crap. Same exact thing happened to me 5 days ago. So much stress from some many IT projects at work I suffered a stroke, lost all feeling on the right side of my body and spent 3 days in the hospital. I'm actually suing them though. Starting physical therapy this week.
wow, thank you for sharing this. I have spent a lot of $ with Wayfair and was going to buy something else later this week. I'll go somewhere else now.
That is so disgusting bruh. She was wrongfully terminated. I think she should sue Wayfair because she has a legitimate case.
Regrettably, I don't think so. She wasn't fired or laid off because of her disability. She was merely swept up in a wave of layoffs that affected hundreds of people.
I'm not aware of any law prohibiting laying off an employee that is on disability. Am I mistaken?
That’s illegal.
@@donaldlee6760 FMLA
@@donaldlee6760 look up FMLA
They want our dedication but, give none to us.
Boycotting wayfair they are NOT FAIR
That’s how these companies listen! They only listen when it hits their pocketbooks.
He probably emailed that memo from his yacht in the Seychelles; so, he's practicing what he preaches.
When I lost my job, Cobra was $950 a month. When working it was $50 a month for same benefits
Healthconnector in MA and NH was $65 a month while working it was $48, definitely try that
This hits a little too close to home. My partner and I met through work, and their father was the vice president of the company. (Kinda weird, I know, but it all worked out). Late last year the CEO ended up laying off the VP while he too was away on leave for chemotherapy (stage 4 cancer). Apparently the reasoning we got was something along the lines of "he was taking too long" and they found they could do his work while he was away so they could cut his position to save money. There's so much more to this situation, but obviously I'm being vague and omitting tons of details in the interest of privacy.
I know things have not been great for a while in the labor market, but the extreme lack of empathy we are seeing with these layoffs in the late aftermath of the pandemic feels like it has been made even more so dehumanizing than before.
Another case to have national affordable healthcare. We are trapped with our health insurance. No job no health insurance.
It started way before the pandemic. Some of it began with the deregulation under Reagan.
Corporations seem to always find a way to see people negatively when they get sick.
I got sick, while working for Sears Canada. I was ordered to stay in bed, and take meds. Sears phoned me and requested a faxed doctor's notice. Because I was supposed to be in bed, and was unsure about how to get the machines working, I left a voice message, and promised to show them the notice when I returned. When I got better, and asked to return. They pulled me into the office to fire on Dec. 24th [or maybe 23rd, but still!]. Apparently, they fired me for not sending the note exactly when requested.
@@bevtaylor5466 What loss of regulation(s) exactly lead to this?
All of these situations arise because there are no laws protecting employees from this kind of treatment in this country. It's profits over people every step of the way.
FMLA exists to protect people. You can’t get laid off while out on FMLA
Unfortunately if there’s a mass layoff that happens they can get away with what they just did by law. But if I was her I would still look for a lawyer.
I understand about protection from discrimination, but why should someone on FMLA be protected in a mass layoff when others are not? If this were the case, everyone who expects upcoming layoffs should go on FMLA.
The shareholders want entrepreneurial-level dedication for minimum wage compensation from their staff.
Absolutely not.
The HR department is not there to look after employees, they are there to look after the company.
If I’m working long hours, I need long pay 💰
Facts
CEOS need to get their heads out of the clouds and see what's up on the ground level.
@luke5100 Exactly,! Since when did sociopaths have any empathy when they are already in their ivory towers?
Wayfair committed an EEOC violation. She can lawyer up and file an EEOC complaint. She has a good case. Stage 4 is very bad and it depends upon which variant of breast cancer she has will likely determine her survival. It should help her case as well. I hope her lawyer rakes these people over the coals.
Regrettably, I don't think so. She wasn't fired or laid off because of her disability. She was merely swept up in a wave of layoffs that affected hundreds of people.
@@Milesco Doesn't matter. She is likely a protected worker under law. A lawyer would know better. But, she seems to have an excellent EEOC complaint.
@@johnmoore8599 There's an employment lawyer named Ryan Stygar who posts regularly here on RUclips... I'll send him a link to this video and see what he says (if anything).
@@johnmoore8599 If you're right then anyone who expects to be laid off soon should go on FMLA.
I pray for this woman’s recovery. I hope to God she’s able to make a miracle happen, because this is a terrible circumstance to be in and it’s not her fault.
But this is why I’m such a firm advocate for people owning their lives as much as possible. If you can work multiple remote jobs, do it. If you can create a side hustle, do it. If you find a better job and need to leave with no notice, do it.
Your company doesn’t care about you. Your boss doesn’t care. The CEO doesn’t care. And no, Linda in accounting doesn’t care either. They’re not your friends. They exist in a time and space where you exchange labor for money. That’s it. Be greedy. Be selfish. They’ll do it to you without thinking twice about it. You owe them NOTHING.
The only team I care about is my wife and daughter. Period.
I was fired for not taking the poke(s) during the mandates. The amount of vitriol and treatment myself and others received was abhorrent. Haven't been back to the workforce since, have no interest in returning tbh. My trust in people is gone
My dad just passed away from stage 4 prostate cancer after a 5-year battle, so this hits home for me. I can't imagine what she af must be going through. This organizations like Wayfair are a complete joke.
As someone who's a little jaded and doesn't bat many eyes at layoffs, this really pissed me off. Even from a business standpoint this is a no-go. If Wayfair had any kind of actual leadership overseeing these layoffs they eould never EVER include the stage 4 cancer patient be included. The loses they will get from the backlash alone will exceed what it costs to keep her and of course the team morale has to be non-existent after hearing about it. Especially doing it by email. Thank you for bringing attention to this, I don't boycott stuff... I use Wayfair and I will no longer do so, this is beyond scummy.
Completely agree, stuff like this goes beyond boiling my blood.
Wayfair sold furniture to a government contractor that runs a detention center where migrant children were detained in 2019.
I refused to support them on that basis. Now this, including the CEOs ridiculous letter, reaffirms that they are definitely not a company worth supporting
I’m confused. Are you upset they are providing furniture for the kids to use? Or upset that they didn’t refuse to do any business with the contractor because of detaining children?
I’ve worked at several chemo clinics and they’ve helped people who couldn’t afford it. Hopefully where she goes to get her chemo will help her. At stage 4 it’s more than likely palliative care but I’m hoping she can beat it. That CEO sucks!! I’ll never buy from them and I hope he’s forced to resign after this without a severance package.
HR literally told me they exist to protect the company, not employees, to protect the stock and prevent litigation, employees be damned.
I always lived by a saying "Dont play games that you cant win". I never bought into the American Dream. Never got married, had kids or had a career. Once you do, America now has a grip on you and you are at their mercy. Instead i found International travel where i can live overseas for a fraction of the price and work much less hours than I would in America. When i talk to my friends back home in America who are thousands in debt and suffering from work related stress I am content with my choices. I am debt free and have plenty of money saved for retirement
It looks like I can add Wayfair to my list that begins with Amazon of online sites I will no longer shop at.
Life in America, in general, just seems so precarious.
It is
Requests to work long hours/overtime suggest you are not adequately resourced. To then turn around and cut 13% of your work force means you were over resourced. So management does not know what they are doing.
So it was mentioned at the start that the message was aimed to employees that are salaried so no overtime (with some exceptions I'm sure)
I think it’s more that he was adequately resourced, but wants a higher profit margin and hopes to gain that through reduced labor costs. But he mentions employees needing to give up some personal time because to still meet demand, they’ll need the equivalent amount of workload, but either fewer employees.
I was essentially terminated while I had to work from home due to an injury after I had a disagreement on a conference call. Had I been onsite, I don't think this would have occurred
Social media exposing employer unfair practices is going to change the balance of power between employers, the public and employees. You cannot get away with things under the spotlight.
Unfortunately, they can. It’s tough to imagine a large scale boycott of their future job openings.☹️
Hopefully, but sadly doubtful…
I have a friend that was a leader at Wayfair on the West Coast. In 2022 one of her staff members on the east coast called her at 6am pst about the layoff email. She only had a short time to connect with her team before they were all locked out of their computers. She said the whole thing was so poorly mananged.
I'm not having an affair with my secretary, I'm just blending my personal and professional lives.
This is why one must save and invest as much as possible early as much. In this way, you can have some control of your future.
The reason companies email termination notices is simple: it's CHEAP and fast and a carefully crafted message is applied to all!
I agree with you, it's cheap and fast. I think it also helps them avoid any liability of human to human interaction. Or at least greatly reduces and limits it. If you send out a mass email then everyone has the news and you only have to deal with the people who come into the office to talk to somebody. As opposed to doing a mass layoff an employee at a time one-on-one in a meeting. There can be statements made however unintentionally that create liability issues whereas a message in a mass email has been corporate approved and filtered by lawyers to ensure it is not violate anything that can be construed as discrimination or liable
And i can't break your hands through an email
E-mail lets them lay people off without the awkwardness of looking people in the eyes.
IOW like so many companies are doing, they expect you to sell your soul to work for them while they try to pitch it like something positive. But they will treat people like this. After 15 successful years at a company (and over 50 years working), I got the first absolutely horrible performance review of my life the year I was turning 70. And I had seen this with several other employees. I retired two years earlier than planned because it was obvious they planned to fire me. One woman who was actually living with my boss told me "***** (company) has ways of getting rid of older people. You should be retired."
what would have happened if they fired you before you were able to retire?
These videos showing the way companies handle layoff and the sociopathic manner in which they approach it seriously fuels my desire to be the CEO of my own career.
These sorts of situations are why I learned Italian and got my Italian citizenship. This is a barbaric system, and I said “ nope! No thanks.” Horrible. India, the US, and Japan are driving their workers into an early grave
Why “quiet quitting” exists.
How is the job market there? US not really cutting it for me
@@TechyCatzEurope in general has better protections for workers. Our salaries are much lower than the US but we don't often have to pay for health care in the UK anyway and we also get more paid holidays than US workers and the standard work week is more like 35-37 hours. Women get maternity leave and men can also get paternity leave. Each European country is slightly different so its worth researching. The US seems to be great for people who have certain skill sets, can work very long hours and who have no health problems for their whole lives. For everyone else it seems like a bit of a scary place.
@@katec9893 Thanks!😊 How would you rate the cost of living for the average person?
@@TechyCatz It depends a lot on the country and the location. London and Paris are v expensive but have more and better paid jobs. Most normal people can't afford to buy a house in London, they commute from nearby towns. Smaller cities and towns are cheaper but salaries drop. If you have a profession such as in healthcare, tech etc you'll have a good quality of life you just won't probably become rich like you could in the US, unless you have your own business. Some jobs are remote now too which helps.
There is appreciable irony that the CEO talks about how employees must find a way to blend work and life. While he is laying off employees. Unless that is the point.
Gives a whole new meaning to "terminating an employee". ☹
That IS the point. If the employees he was speaking to were salaried/OT exempt, CEO gets a bunch of free labor, right up to the point where he disposes of that labor. With the layoffs (on top of free labor), the company bottom line looks good to the shareholders, and CEO gets fat bonus for "performance".
This channel has job security.. lots of content available 😢
I’ve seen employers lay people off while on medical leave, or just on the next day when the key card doesn’t work or you can’t log into your account.
I don’t think employers are looking at the person, just a number on a spreadsheet.
Just like the young woman who went viral, they didn’t have a real reason for her not meeting performance standards.
Out of touch….
I loved the original undercover boss show ..execs couldn’t handle 3 days of work that they were in charge of 😢
CEOs should have to work a few days/mth on the employees side just to keep them in touch with reality
💯 it should be mandatory a least one week per year.
The one show I love paraphrasing was an exec was working with a stock person and they had to bring their own water to work in the summer heat. The temps were hot.
The company used to provide water and they stopped…due to ‘some higher up’
Turns out it was that exact undercover boss.,, oops 😬
The exec made some calls during break and got the water added back into the budget!!!
Really??! High IQers???
I worked at a company that laid off a whole department and the impact was a 6 month delay on a project that the customer had paid for!!!!
Job security. You cannot make this up 🤷🏾♀️
This happened to me back in September, though my health situation was not nearly as dire. I was on FMLA/short-term disability because I had just lost both of my brothers a month apart. I was too distraught to work and HR suggested I take FMLA. Just when I provided my doctor’s note to return the following Monday, I got the call from HR and my supervisor that I was no longer needed. I got no severance. I was there 4 years and worked long hours. I was still struggling with my mental health but thought I was needed as no one was getting my work done. I lost out on a yearly bonus that was due to me at the end of the next month. I couldn’t get a lawyer because I had no money for one and none would do pro bono or on contingency. I have filed with the EEOC. Since losing my brothers, I lost my job, two other close friends died, and I couldn’t afford where I was living. I’m currently living in a camper on a gracious friend’s property.
So the ceo was actually preparing employees to cover for soon to be layed off colleagues - so deep and successfull!
They're a laughing stock here where they are headquartered in Boston. Workers are always worried about layoffs. They also told me on a phone interview that they run the company like a startup, and believe in paying people far less than they should. They basically asked me "Are you okay with taking a low salary"?
This just proves that we should never feel safe. I know a lot of people think that they are but if folks are getting laid off while in chemo, it could happen to anyone.
The problem with capitalism of the 21st century is that whenever there is a conflict between profit margins and the general welfare of their employees, corporations side with profits.
The part that CEOs miss which trickles down to their often out of touch messaging is that their compensation and incentive structure are completely different from the people under them.
I read somewhere something along the lines of, " there's a special place in hell for people that do this type of stuff". 😬
I knew someone that worked for Wayfair, sounded awful. She was laid-off and rehired multiple times. Sounds so stressful
This is yet another reason why people are so tied down to jobs that make them miserable and sick, the employer health insurance. And then you are severely frowned upon for not jumping up and quitting to follow your dream as an artist or something that clearly won't pay all of the bills (some of them, yes, but not all)...it makes sense, but sad sense.
A friend of mine was part of the this round of Wayfair layoffs.
4:05 Were any of the leadership team who “negligently hired a bunch of people” let go or demoted?
Happy to work more hours. Expect a bill for those hours.
Corporate loyalty hasn’t been a thing for well over 30 years. No need to even mention it or pretend it exists. Because of this, Wayfare not caring about this chemo patient shouldn’t be a surprise. I’d bet money this isn’t the only corporation to do this; Wayfare just ended up in the news about it.
This is why healthcare needs to be a single payer system. Not only can we not expect employers to burden the responsibility of healthcare, nor can we rely on them to do so. Their interests are inherently against ours. Even when things are good they’d rather spend that money elsewhere than employee benefits, and certainly when things are bad they definitely don’t want to pay for them. They can’t in many cases and maintain a sustainable business at least. It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. For the sake of all that is holy, will the American people rise up and demand better healthcare coverage?
Ambitious people don't throw their lives away on a job that doesn't provide a suitable pay check.
I'm not suprised. In my line of work, you'd be suprised at the number of people I speak to each week who admit they were let go while on disability.
Wow.
and maternity leave!
And, also-WE HATE UNIONS. When employees co-op billionaire attitudes and talking points (sometimes out of fear), these scenarios become the norm. Tim Gurner spoke the DAVOS planning points aloud. Citizens have to engage on issues and fight back.
What a horrible situation to be in.
I blame reagan for this!!!!!!!!
Oh, and we can refer to laying off thousands after a record year as pulling a "wayfair". Also, the layoffs are the unfortunate part of this. It's crap.
I am a stage III BC survivor. I know the pure hell of this disease and the treatments. The magnitude of what this woman is dealing with as she is on disability fighting for her life is staggering. And make no mistake, she is fighting for her life. What Wayfair did to this woman is disgusting. They could have opted to leave her alone and let her continue with her disability. Cancer survivors are often treated like we don’t matter. We become invisible to the world. It’s a horrible experience that stays with us.
I hope this woman is doing well. As for Wayfair, we as consumers have the ability to let this company know how we feel about their decisions and how they choose to do business by deciding if we purchase their products. I will not be purchasing any of their products and I will share this story with as many people as possible so that they can make their own informed decision as well.
I wonder what state this took place in. IANAL, but in a number of states terminating something during disability is blatantly illegal. A lot of employers will wait until you come *off* disability then immediately terminate you, but terminating someone *during* a disability leave is just begging for an unlawful termination lawsuit. I hope she files one. I know in my home state of New York, I would have reported them that day to the state DoL and contacted my disability lawyer. Plus, in NYS (and a number of others), the moment you get a termination letter you become eligible for Medicaid and/or the Basic Health Plan, with minimal costs and co-pays. COBRA is not necessary most of the time. Unemployment does not pay enough to disqualify you from either here.
NEVER be loyal to such companies.
When a CEO or any leadership of an organization tells me I need to “Learn to blend my work and personal
Life together”, I know it’s time to dust off the old CV, crisp it up and make an exist strategy….rapidly.
I'll say OK then do personal stuff at the office on the company computers.
Something to think about if you are considering “blending” your professional and personal life. Long before layoffs became what they are today, there was already a saying that no one on their death bed ever wished they spent more time at the office. (In The Simpsons, Montgomery Burns said he would be the first.😂)
Today, this is the reward you get to compensate for the disappointment you inflict on those you love and the moments you miss.
OMG, I just had to watch a Wayfair advert to see this video; how ironic. They've lost my custom already!
Tech layoffs have been awful this week. I saw former colleagues lose jobs they have had for 9-13+ years.
This situation should be illegal. I thought you literally could not lay someone off when they were on medical disability. I thought disability was a protected class. This is awful. I'm glad I never bought anything from Wayfair during the pandemic. So many people were romanced by them. That CEO sucks.
This just tells me that Wayfair is incompetently run. If your employees have to work long hours and can't get their work done in a 40 hour work week, then clearly the company is not being run efficiently. And if the expectations of the job are to work long hours, that needs to be clear in the job description to which people are applying, and in the interview/offer letter. If their HR dept is that incompetent as well, I'm wondering if they outsource them.
It's deliberately not clear because they want employees by the cahones, so they can pressure them with the threat of being fired if they don't work longer hours
HR's job is to protect the company from it's people. Still, that kind of conduct should be criminal with the executives who ordered it going to jail for a LONG time.