Rich shows off some of the most powerful Melodyne tips I've ever seen in this video! I _finally_ made the leap from Melodyne 3 (which I had been using for 10 years!) to Melodyne 5 earlier this year and after using it for several months, I'm realizing that vocal engineering and production is more fun than ever!
musically i liked the dry vocals a bit more, because they went down to G# at the end in a really smooth way and the song also progressed to that note the next bar so it made sense, but technically this tutorial was great and surely with a bit more care a melodyned metal vocal can also exceed the quality of a natural one
As impressive as a breakthrough polyphonic tuning was, I sincerely believe the next real ‘just-take-my-money’ innovation will be whichever company comes up with a far more accurate algorithm for detecting intended pitch on distorted/screams/gravel-laden vocals. Working around the inaccuracies of most tuning solutions with these types of vocals is by far the most time consuming aspect of tuning vocals.
I'm using melody ARA and in every song there's always a mistake in the vocal. In other words, melodyne will interpret some line within the song as one note straight across even though the vocal is heard as sung. Why is this happening?
Please make sure you’re using a clean and dry recording of your vocals. As soon as you have any room ambience or mic bleeds from other instruments on it, it is no longer strictly monophonic, and that can confuse the detection algorithm. Also, the more percussive the vocal take is, the more it might be analyzed as percussive. Either way, if you find that Melodyne’s algorithm choice is incorrect, you can switch the algorithm to ‘Melodic’ in the corresponding menu, or even define ‘Melodic’ as your default algorithm. Hope this helps.
i@@celemony oh, forgot to mention. Sometimes when it shows the melody as one single blob across the screen, it automatically fixes itself when I do my first save in logic Pro.
This video is an excellent example of a problem I often have with Melodyne. The last note in the phrase still sounds flat even though it has been "pitch corrected" the same as all the other notes. Why is that? Yes, we can manually move that note up a bit but then Melodyne shows it sharp by XX cents - so something's wrong. It seems to have a lot to do with where the note separations are placed and getting them placed right on a busy, "glissy" vocal can be very frustrating. If the separations are not in exactly the right place(s) - or too many or too few - Melodyne can actually make the tuning sound WORSE, IME. Melodyne gets a lot of praise but, IME, It requires a skilled operator with an excellent ear to get a great result. It is not an easy tool to use. Like playing a trombone vs. playing a piano. BTW - why is "robust pitch detection" an option rather than the default? Is there a side effect of using it?
@@celemony - The sequence of notes starting at 10:08 ("with Melodyne in context"). The last note in that sequence (at 10:11) still sounds flat compared to the preceding notes. You can actually see that much of its pitch curve appears to be below the pitch centerline. It is BETTER than it was originally but it's still flat. I had the opposite happen recently in a Pro Tools ARA project - to a much greater degree - where I "pitch corrected" 3 successive vocal notes to the same pitch. All 3 blobs were on the same pitch line yet the 3rd note in the sequence sounded SHARP by nearly a semitone. I had to slide it down quite a bit to make it sound the same pitch as the preceding notes - at which point Melodyne then indicated it was flat. The "pitch drift" tool seems to really have an affect on this. Flattening out the drift can push the entire blob flat. So there's something going on here that isn't quite right, IMO. I sent multiple examples of this issue to Celemony when Melodyne 5 first came out. I think the original pitch detection algorithm was better. I have tried the "robust pitch detection" option you mentioned here and, IMO, it works better than the standard mode - and not just on distorted or otherwise "pitch challenged" vocals. Is that, perhaps, the original mode?
@@celemony its hard to describe, but sometimes even when you go subtle with melodyne i can still hear the digitalish artifacts on top. i was wondering if recording on higher sample rates could help or not ?
Hello from Italy. could you make a presentation of how Melodyne could follow a project in Cubase (Chord Track) with a guitar or keyboard track or something else (therefore polyphonic track)? Thank you
This video is genius level stuff. Rich is an incredible instructor. Whatever he's getting paid, it isn't enough.
Rich shows off some of the most powerful Melodyne tips I've ever seen in this video! I _finally_ made the leap from Melodyne 3 (which I had been using for 10 years!) to Melodyne 5 earlier this year and after using it for several months, I'm realizing that vocal engineering and production is more fun than ever!
This has been immensely helpful, thank you so much.
Thanks a lot. Most interesting. The 1st box in the sound editor is always down by default in my version of Melodyne.
Your Melodyne tips are great.
I'll have to learn this.
1:05 "ThErE iS nO sAvInG uS AAALLLL....okay..."🤣 Great Tutorial btw
musically i liked the dry vocals a bit more, because they went down to G# at the end in a really smooth way and the song also progressed to that note the next bar so it made sense, but technically this tutorial was great and surely with a bit more care a melodyned metal vocal can also exceed the quality of a natural one
As impressive as a breakthrough polyphonic tuning was, I sincerely believe the next real ‘just-take-my-money’ innovation will be whichever company comes up with a far more accurate algorithm for detecting intended pitch on distorted/screams/gravel-laden vocals. Working around the inaccuracies of most tuning solutions with these types of vocals is by far the most time consuming aspect of tuning vocals.
Great Clip, thank you
Thanks for watching!
What a timely video, thanks!
What DAW are you using?
I weirdly don't recognize it.
Edit: That's Pro Tools just in black isn't it?
Exactly. 🙂
@@celemony Oh well, got excited for a second...
But nice Video and Software (Melodyne that is)
I'm using melody ARA and in every song there's always a mistake in the vocal. In other words, melodyne will interpret some line within the song as one note straight across even though the vocal is heard as sung. Why is this happening?
Please make sure you’re using a clean and dry recording of your vocals. As soon as you have any room ambience or mic bleeds from other instruments on it, it is no longer strictly monophonic, and that can confuse the detection algorithm. Also, the more percussive the vocal take is, the more it might be analyzed as percussive. Either way, if you find that Melodyne’s algorithm choice is incorrect, you can switch the algorithm to ‘Melodic’ in the corresponding menu, or even define ‘Melodic’ as your default algorithm. Hope this helps.
@@celemony thank you. I will give that all a shot.
i@@celemony oh, forgot to mention. Sometimes when it shows the melody as one single blob across the screen, it automatically fixes itself when I do my first save in logic Pro.
If you need assistance, please feel free to contact us here: www.celemony.com/support
This video is an excellent example of a problem I often have with Melodyne. The last note in the phrase still sounds flat even though it has been "pitch corrected" the same as all the other notes. Why is that? Yes, we can manually move that note up a bit but then Melodyne shows it sharp by XX cents - so something's wrong. It seems to have a lot to do with where the note separations are placed and getting them placed right on a busy, "glissy" vocal can be very frustrating. If the separations are not in exactly the right place(s) - or too many or too few - Melodyne can actually make the tuning sound WORSE, IME.
Melodyne gets a lot of praise but, IME, It requires a skilled operator with an excellent ear to get a great result. It is not an easy tool to use. Like playing a trombone vs. playing a piano.
BTW - why is "robust pitch detection" an option rather than the default? Is there a side effect of using it?
Which note do you mean that sounds flat?
@@celemony - The sequence of notes starting at 10:08 ("with Melodyne in context"). The last note in that sequence (at 10:11) still sounds flat compared to the preceding notes. You can actually see that much of its pitch curve appears to be below the pitch centerline. It is BETTER than it was originally but it's still flat.
I had the opposite happen recently in a Pro Tools ARA project - to a much greater degree - where I "pitch corrected" 3 successive vocal notes to the same pitch. All 3 blobs were on the same pitch line yet the 3rd note in the sequence sounded SHARP by nearly a semitone. I had to slide it down quite a bit to make it sound the same pitch as the preceding notes - at which point Melodyne then indicated it was flat.
The "pitch drift" tool seems to really have an affect on this. Flattening out the drift can push the entire blob flat. So there's something going on here that isn't quite right, IMO.
I sent multiple examples of this issue to Celemony when Melodyne 5 first came out. I think the original pitch detection algorithm was better. I have tried the "robust pitch detection" option you mentioned here and, IMO, it works better than the standard mode - and not just on distorted or otherwise "pitch challenged" vocals. Is that, perhaps, the original mode?
Plz make any other video regarding vocal tuning. tightens tuning
We have a lot of videos about vocal tuning in our channel. Check them out! 🙂
Yes i watched all videos
This is awesome but for whatever reason after changing to robust that section of vocals doesn’t play back
That’s not how it should be. Please feel free to contact our support team, if you need help: www.celemony.com/support
great tips!!!!
can i do the same with screams? i.e. shaky screams
Please feel free to give it a try with our trial version: www.celemony.com/en/trial
how to deal with the artifacts that melodyne creates ?
What kind of artifacts do you have in mind?
@@celemony its hard to describe, but sometimes even when you go subtle with melodyne i can still hear the digitalish artifacts on top. i was wondering if recording on higher sample rates could help or not ?
Please feel free to contact our Tech Support and send them some sound examples. They will be happy to help. See here: www.celemony.com/support
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Sounded better before it was tweaked. (If there is a better) Can't polish a Terd......Or can you?
Hello from Italy. could you make a presentation of how Melodyne could follow a project in Cubase (Chord Track) with a guitar or keyboard track or something else (therefore polyphonic track)? Thank you
Hello to Italy! 🇮🇹 🙂 Please feel free to contact our support guys, they will be happy to help. See here: www.celemony.com/support