The King of Budget CNC? | Sainsmart Genmitsu ProverXL 4030 CNC Router Review (with Aluminium test)
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- Опубликовано: 15 янв 2022
- Sainsmart Genmitsu ProverXL 4030 Review and Test (Aluminium, Acrylic)
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Dewalt Router Upgrade: amzn.to/3I25SCm
Sturdy Bench for the 4030: amzn.to/3GBB62U
600mm x 600mm upgrade kit: amzn.to/33Dxxun
T-slot Table upgrade: amzn.to/3FzugJK
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Today I'm going to be looking at the Genmitsu ProverXL 4030 cnc router. Now I reviewed the 4030’s smaller sibling, the Prover 3018 over a year ago and I’ll leave a link to that video in case you’re curious. Now in the interest of full disclosure, Sainsmart did send me this machine to review; but they are not paying me for this review and have no input on what I say about the machine.The ProverXL 4030 came packaged in a large box with all the parts pretty well padded for the most part. More about the packaging later in the video. Now, Sainsmart markets this as an “easy to set up machine”. And honestly that is a real stretch. The Prover XL 4030 took me almost 5 hours to assemble and required a lot of patience to assemble. This isn’t a plug-n-play machine; be prepared to invest the time to get it running. The manual isn’t all that well written and mis-states certain details or doesn’t provide enough clarity on others. The most glaring example was the part that describes the wiring of the spindle. The manual states that there is no specific polarity for wiring the spindle motor. And yet the connectors on the spindle and the wiring looms are color-coded to assure proper connection. This isn’t a dealbreaker, but just something Sainsmart needs to work to improve. A few more pointers when assembling the machine. When attaching the x-axis drag chain to the frame, be very patient and careful when threading in the two screws, as there’s very little space to work with. You don’t want to end up damaging the threads by cross threading the screws. Again, another design issue Sainsmart can work on. Also, the wiring from the x-axis limit switches interferes with the screws that attach the mounting plate to the frame. I found that to be pretty sloppy design work and should just get fixed. There’s just no excuse for this. Another thing to consider when assembling the machine is the table or surface it will sit on. I recommend a table that’s at least 48 inches wide by 24 inches deep. This will give you enough space to accommodate the machine and control unit. You also want to make sure the table is extremely sturdy and can handle the vibration when the machine is working. I’ll leave a few table options in the description below the video, in case you need a sturdy table. 
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A very clear description and demonstration. Thanks.
Thanks!
Excellent review and commentary! Seems like a solid DIY project tool.
Thanks. Yes, it’s definitely a good DIY or prosumer machine
Excellent review. Very informative and well presented. Really appreciated your recommendations and examples.
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Great review, informative commentary, very believable thank you.
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Thanks for for honest review. 👍🏻
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Great video. Thank you for the review.
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Thank you for your review. Just a point of clarification. You say that the ER11 collet can only handle bits of 1/8" in diameter (min 5:10). In fact the ER11 collet system has 13 collet size options from 1mm to 7mm in 0.5mm increments. My biggest cutter is a 25mm face mill on a 6mm shank. (for spoilboard flattening)
Very informative. Thank you.
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We’ll explained review. Thanks for sharing this video with us 🙏🏼
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Thanks so much for your useful video👍👍👍
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Great review, thanks
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Great video, Thank you!
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I own one and your review is spot on!
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Why is the 4030, $400 more than the 4040?
Your reviews are very in depth and in tune, which for a consumer like myself is amazing!! You covered everything!! I mean everything!! Thank you for your honesty and expertise! One question: is the price worth it??
Thanks for the kind words. I think it is worth it for a hobbyist or someone building prototypes. For anyone else I would recommend other models
Very well done. Thank you!
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Super helpful video
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5 hours. HA. I have had my stepcraft d840 and official enclosure for 2 years and I am still not done building it or able to use it yet. The machine itself took me about 4 or 5 days to build & is awesome. The enclosure is a monster to try to assemble. It is an awesome machine. It is mostly my own fault and pandemic BS that caused my own delays. I am looking or a smaller machine so I can continue working on the stepcraft & only want to use that for large jobs because maintenance is a consideration as well (keeping things clean)
Hello. Would you know if I'm upgrading to the 1000 x 1000 extension would i have an option for a bigger 4-axis rotary module? I don't have any cnc machine yet I'm just looking into buying one.
Nice! Very useful video! but why imperial units? I have to watch with a notepad, pencil and calculator.
The V2 I think is deffo a game changer with the ball screws and closed loop steppers.
That machine does look very interesting.
Try a 2-flute cutter on aluminium. That machine doesn't have the power or rigidity to push a 4-flute cutter fast enough to cut a decent chip. You might even want to try a 1-flute cutter on it. Speeds and feeds are critical - you need to feed fast enough that the cutting edges take a new clean cut each revolution. If your feed is too slow relative to revolution speed then the cutter ends up re-cutting the same chip multiple times. That causes heat-build up, poor cutter life, and poor surface finishes. With fast, low-torque spindles you need to feed fast - but here you don't have the power or rigidity to do that. Halving the number of flutes halves the cutting forces and thus the power and rigidity needed.
Yes, I agree. But despite the number of flutes, routers built on a aluminum frame do not have the rigidity to handle precision cuts in metal. However, the dewalt router gives it a better shot at cutting the aluminum cleaner and reduces the vibration rippling through the machine.
@@Reviewlamp These do have the rigidity to cut aluminum if you calculate proper speeds, feeds, flute count and spindle power but nobody wants to do the math. Everyone just copies what everyone else does and says even if the information is wrong. Just think ow nice that aluminum cut would have been with a 2 flute bit.
+1 on the single flute cutter as well getting a 1/4 inch collet insert and end mill. The machine is plenty rigid for those feeds and speeds, but I feel like 3.175 end mills deflect a little too much for aluminum when loaded like that.
Hey, thanks for the review! Do you by any chance know if the extra spindle mount also works with makita RT700CX2J router? In shape it looks very identical to the dewalt router.
I haven’t tried it with that router unfortunately. The link to the recommended router is right below the video
Hey guys, I have a PROVerXL 4030 and I’m running UGS as my G-code sender. I’m keep getting an error code of “(Alarm 1) hard limit has been triggered.” But it happens when in the middle of a project when my spindle isn’t anywhere needs any of the limit switches. Anyone have experiences with this?
er-11 supports shaft diameters up to 7mm
Thanks for the video.
Question? If one buys the laser. Does the Sofware that comes with it allow you to managed the power level of the laser so one can control how much you want to burn. EG a power level that only burns tracks for a PCB board, or control the laser level to the point it cuts a PCB?
I doubt the laser module has enough power to cut a pcb. The best it can manage is mark a pcb
Great review!! I need a machine with a 500mm high gantry. I need to machine the side of an enclosure that is 400mm x 410mm. Any tips will be appreciated!
There is no machine in the low budget range that has that much Z travel. You would have to upgrade to a more professional grade machine
Great video review. I've never used CNC machine but I'm thinking of purchasing this for my wood working hobby. I have a couple of questions: 1) could I use my Makita palm router instead of purchasing the DeWalt noted? 2) What software do you recommend for a beginner? 3) I've seen mention in some reviews about spoil board sag being an issue with this machine. Have you had the same issue?
1) You can use your Makita router but you would have to fabricate a custom mount for it to fit this CNC machine.
2) As far as software, I recommend using Fusion 360 for the design work and inventables to interface with the machine.
3) Spoilboard sag isn’t something I have experienced with this machine.
You can't use the Makita router?
For aluminum cutting try using a water based cutting fluid like Kool Mist. You will get better results.
Yes. But cutting fluids are not something I would recommend on a machine that isn’t rated to be waterproof and even has an MDF spoilboard. Maybe with some upgrades that may be possible.
How do you connect the Dewalt router? Any video of that? Great review, thanks
Thanks for the comment. To connect the Dewalt router, you have to use the provided mount. But speed control and power of the spindle will be manual.
@@Reviewlamp great thank you
Thank you, this was a great review!
Does it still hold up after all this time? And do you know if there's a 4th axis compatible with it? The website has been saying "coming soon" for a while.
Yes, it seems to hold up reasonably well. Again, it’s not a commercial machine but decent for prototyping. And I haven’t seen a 4th axis for it yet. Please subscribe to my channel
Hi ! Great video, thank you.
But, can you add a little text when you use imperial units to indicate the metric equivalent. Because, I have absolutely no mental representation of inches… and I a sure that I am not the only one.
(Just for the great dimensions, for end mills it is not necessary)
Thank you !
Thanks for the suggestion. Will certainly incorporate that next time. Please subscribe
Great review. Dude, could you cut a 6mm high plate of carbon fiber?
Yes. You could, but you would need a end mill like this: amzn.to/3J6diIa
@@Reviewlampmany thanks Mate... 🙏
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Thank you for the video! It really helps me. I want to buy one CNC machine and use it in my apartment. So, my worries....the noise, the volume sound of this machine. Do I will disturb my neighbors? If I will use it around 2-3 hours per day...
Thank you!
It is a bit loud, but you might want to build an enclosure and use a sturdy table like this to minimize vibration: amzn.to/3jqXWDC
@@Reviewlamp Thank you!
Hello. I am thinking about buying this machine and i was wondering if you know or if you tried, what is the thickest piece of wood you can cut with a straight router bit. I hope you can give me some light about the matter. Thank you! (Ps. I want to cut wood about 50 to 60 millimeters, and what kind of bit should I use!) :) Hope to hear your opinion!
It will cut wood 50-60mm in thickness, but it will take several passes to complete the cut. I recommend using end mills like this: amzn.to/3D3P1O3
@@Reviewlamp how much will it cut with aluminum using the DeWalt router
2 flute or 1 flute cutter would be better for aluminum. But, this machine is pushing the limit with metal. Still, good honest review.
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You mention that the machine will control the router speed. Will it do this with the Dewalt router as well?
Unfortunately not. With the Dewalt router, speed control is manual.
Do you have a link to the aluminum upgraded mount
The aluminum upgraded mount comes with the unit. This is the 1000mm extension kit: amzn.to/3lcqYrW
Is the aluminum mount compatible with the Dewalt DCW600B as well?
No. Only with this router: amzn.to/3I25SCm
Yes, it is. I have it and it works perfectly
Can this machine cut All the way through a certain depth of wood in order to make wooden letters
Yes, it can cut as deep as the z axis travel will allow it to move
Hello is their much difference in the 4040 and this machine.
They are two very different systems in terms of their build. There are pros and cons to both systems. I would recommend the 4040, if you’re looking for rigidity: amzn.to/42cSwhb
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Will this CNC machine work with a piece of wood 3 inches tall?
Yes. The machine can mill material as thick as 4 inches, as you can see in the specs: amzn.to/3oI4ZI2
Like to get on of these other Amazon who else sells them I’m in Australia
I wanna test neje laser would u buy?
I don’t anything about that laser
Maybe the lack of QC isn't a deal breaker for you but for me it is. I can't trust a device to be reliable if it is delivered in this kind of condition.
Well, it is a deal breaker for me as well. However, my expectations at this price point aren’t very high. Most commercial cnc routers are 10x the price of this.
There's a work around so you can power the DeWalt via the software without voiding the warranty
What is it?
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Are the motors are DC or AC? If they are AC, you don't need to worry about polarity and the color of the wires.
The motors are DC and stepper motors
When the chips are dancing around on the surface of the material, you have a terrible vibration problem.
With all the technical writers out there looking for work and the inexpensiveness of having nice manuals written, it seems counter-productive for so many companies to skimp in this area.
True. I wonder about that all the time. It should be a no-brainer.
I was informed this machine uses ball screws, not lead screws. The ball screws are better. Seeking confirmation.
This is version 2, it uses ballscrews: amzn.to/4aQvAJo
V1 used leadscrews
@@Reviewlamp ahh good to know!
How do I find out what kind of duty cycle this thing is capable of? Meaning, how much downtime can I anticipate? Does one need to think of certain parts as consumables and anticipate X hours of servicing per X hours of use? This could mean the difference for me between buying one and just farming the work out or even doing certain things by hand.