Why did Bran become king?
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Because the Iron Throne was destroyed and Bran brought a chair with him.
Hahaha best answer
Because that isn't offensive at all. You aren't the first person to say it but think how other wheelchair users like me feel about this joke.
@@karenthomas1456 Chaos is a ramp.
@@jackrabbit6515 oh look, another comedian.
@@karenthomas1456 But why do you see having his own chair as an insult? It's not demeaning to have a wheelchair. Think more positive about being a wheelchair user!
Love how In Deep Geek goes back and fixes the episodes with far better explanation that the episodes themselves could come up with. Its well done, even if the episodes, writers and directors themselves cant seem to convey them anywhere near as good.
Yeah it’s a bit disappointing but it is what it is.
Wow, huge fan Joe! Seeing you having similar taste it RUclipsrs makes you so much more genuine. Also makes me know it's not just you make amazing content but you are the kind of person I want as friends. I appreciate all the times you saved me money thanks!
He's not fixing anything, he's just explaining the episodes because the viewers are too dumb to do 1+1=2.
@@poub06 Yeah I said this back when we saw Bran create Hodor. If he can manipulate time like that then dragons, night kings, and crazy power hungry cunts don't really matter all that much. It still is an incredibly lame ending. For all George R. R. Martin's complaints about JRR Tolkien not going into detail about Aragorn's tax policies he turns around and hand waves all of those complexities away, in his own series, with a time manipulating tree wizard.
@@poub06 lmao blaming the viewers and not d and d butchering the last 2 seasons.
Bran was never even a player. He just had the cheat codes.
See there's where you went wrong. You only considered the players to win IE birthright. That's not a good system
I see you on every got video
@@suzukisixk7 Bran is only at the council cause he's a stark. If the message is "only nobles having power is bad" they failed.
@@matheusfernandes2102 Which means YOU'RE on every GOT video, which is kinda awesome, those of us on all the GOT vids we can soak in.
It was never about birthright, King Robert was a testament that the throne belongs to whomever TAKES it.
I like how your analysis doesn’t include personal biases and complaints about the show. Really enjoy your episode analysis!
Not taking anything away from people’s gripes. I get it. Yet most of the complaining ( not all ) that I see , are people who are quick to condemn and put others down. Including the possibility of a different view from different videos or commenters. To me that just stupid arrogance. Let’s have open intelligent discussions so there can be an understanding. In Deep Geek videos are more my cup of tea.
@@davekoz5613 That's what this channel is all about -- intelligent debate.
Thechezbailey Cheers. I really tried on other GoT based clips the last few weeks to gain insight into the mindset of grievances people were carrying about certain points. Even if I found someone with really good arguments most of those were backed by a sense of conviction that their view was based on reality. Not perception. As though their view was carved into an immovable object. Very difficult to reason with the overdramatic. The few intelligent conversations I had were with certain individuals were the ones who weren’t taking the shows outcomes personally. Even though they were avid fans. They had disappointments but were objective about it. In other words. Open minded. So my research ( just a personal quest I was on ) brought me to the realization that somehow the ones who were displaying the most rage about the shows outcomes had mixed up their sense of self ( ego) with “ ideas” or images/ projections about the show. Some images based on theories and some self-created notions of how it “should” have gone. It wasn’t based on the actually show itself. None of this is bad. It’s just curious that so many peoples sense of identity is linked with the series. So it isn’t that D&D ruined season 8. ( which is matter of opinion) . It’s D&D ruined “MY” show. Or to be more accurate. D&D ruined ME.( my ideas and projections). So they are hurt because of this so they retaliate and say all kinds of repetitive and ridiculous things and bomb review websites while their at it. Thanks and Cheers 🍻
@@davekoz5613 Oh I get it. I'm with you that there's a lot of projection going on both ways. That's what I like so much about this channel -- the reviews are so smart and insightful, but also professional. Robert seems to cater to a niche that enjoys the story and the theorizing, but also a certain restriction of personal opinion. I think it brings up the quality of the channel.
Thechezbailey Here here.
He became king because he came all that way.
but he only came all that way cause winter never showed up
A king who has 0 connection with the people will never be a good ruller. Hope GRRM do justice to this character cause D&D made him the worst char of this whole nonsense of a show.
Gerald D 👍🤣
You can justify anything.
The westeros continent was inhabited by the children of the forest. They lost their lands by men, they created whitewalkers to kill the men but the whitewalkers wanted to kill every thing. With bran aka the 3 eyed raven becoming king is a win for westeros and the children of the forest. They have won their land back via the invader mens rule and will rule for the next 1000 years. The children of the forest won their lands back. Bran isnt even the king, the 3 eyed raven is, bran died...
“The person best suited to be king, is someone who didn’t want it all along” I’m pretty sure Robert Baratheon didn’t want to be king all that much and we all know how that turned out.
Yea this Saying is actually a bit stupid if you think about it
also Jon never wanted it. and for different reasons he would have also made a lousy king
Yeah true, I mean Patchface has never seemed to want the throne and I reckon he wouldn’t be that great a king
Most peaceful 17 years in a while that's how it went
He wanted to be King alright, he just didn't want the Duties of being King
Tyrion is king. Bran is the master of whispers for Tyrion.
That's certainly one way of looking at it. Bran is concerned with bieng more of a neutral littlefinger, pulling the strings behind the scenes to ensure the monarchy stays broken. And the realm moves towards some king of stability and peace. Hes kinda varys and littlefinger smashed together with a dash of stark and a whole lot of 3 eyed raven children of the Forrest mixed in.
Nah Bronn won the game of thrones, was just a simple sellsword, and now has the biggest castle, and the best lands to live on (and without losing anything , every other “player lost something whats important to them
I notice that how things settled...good people got good rewards from Bran, not-so-good people got punishments cloaked in reward-type outcomes. So Jon for instance, is banished. Sounds bad, but Jon wanted to live a peaceful life up north with his friend, Tormund, and that's exactly what Bran gave him. Sansa wanted to be safe, at home, never to be tormented by those above her again. That's what Bran gave her. Arya wanted out, and Bran probably made sure she got her ship, crew, provisions, etc.
Tyrion, otoh, was given the Hand of the King job to rectify all the things he got wrong even though what Tyrion really wanted was to die with a cup of wine in his hand and a whore's mouth around his... Bronn, the sellsword, was incredibly smart and skilled and used his talents to benefit only himself. So he got Highgarden, yes, and a seat at the small council table to put all those smarts to use for the realm. He probably feels like he won, but I don't get the impression he'd have the freedom to just go home and tell Kings Landing to shove it if he got sick of the work.
Brienne was given her heart's dream, as was Pod.
You can see logic in how Bran doles out the goods!
@@jackrabbit6515 Well said.
It's funny how the show focussed on characters like Bronn and the hound who really was just small supporting characters. But in the show cause they were fan favorites they made them major characters.
Bron being the master of coin was one of the most retarded revelations of the whole show. And there were a lot.
@@jackrabbit6515 brooo I like your comment!!!!!
Bran became king because "chaos is a ladder" and he was one of the best climbers in Westeros. Only now, he can fly.
Absolutely.
he can fly by warging into Drogon
Yeah see if he had looked at the camera or that was the final line we'd all be going OH SHIT
Holy crap. True
You make it sound way more interesting than it really was lol
If you have to explain a show to EVERYONE then the show was poorly written. The last two season were shit.
Clinton CTX almost every complex story needs explaining ...this is one of the reasons RUclips got big...for example the Matrix.
Sometimes it’s just the people who aren’t paying enough attention. The latest GoT fans are shit.
Kelley Colton The real story it is based on, IS more interesting. It’s sad that if they would have just added this detail to the show it would have been perceived much better.
I’ve been thinking about Bran and what he represents. In the beginning the Children if the forest ‘ruled’ Westeros. In the end through the weir woods and the three eyed raven (Bran) the Children rule again.
Exactly what I've been thinking. The Children of the Forrest now rule the realm of men, and the three eyed raven didn't care about all the lives that would be lost for him to get it. The wheel of man has been replaced with another wheel.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Old Gods the souls of the deceased Children of the Forest who stick around and watch the world through the Weirwood trees?
So what will happen now - the three eyed crow(s) manipulates more and more, until 'they' have absolute power, in order to kill people off and restore the old forests?
I've always been suspicious of the three eyed Raven, I mean remember the first time we saw him look at that cave fill with what looked like human bones, in the books the description does not scream pure and good to me. He used both Stark boys remember Rickon had the same dream/vision, the three eyed Raven was throwing out his bait and Bran fell for it.
As the embodiment of nature, the old gods, and by extension the three eyed raven, were never meant to be pure and good in the first place, they were instead always meant to be neutral and fair. Preferring the natural order of life and death, they tend to let things play out naturally; only intervening to restore the balance of life and death.
Can you even try to imagine Rickon putting in the effort to even get to the tree? What a useless piece of shit. Worst direwolf name as well
@@Wodz30 Worse than Summer? Bran actually named a ferocious killing machine "Summer"
The trees are inherantly creepy. They require blood to grow, hence why Ned always cleaned his sword by the black pool in front of the heart tree, and why Bloodraven's cave is full of the skeletons of dead Singers.
I have the same feeling about the Three-Eyed-Raven - and the longer i think about it, the more i think he won't be a good king. But i guess we'll never know...
Bran having one of the most powerful abilities in the show and his contribution to anything after season 6:
-The Night King has your Dragon
-Jon is the son of Rhegar and Lyanna
-awkward staring
-Sat quietly in his chair during Battle of Winterfell and war against Cersei offering no recon or strategic intelligence
Let’s make this man king!
The awkward staring is because his actor has really bad vision so he always looks like he's on the good weed
Did you watch the video?
Bran was destined to become king because Bran was the first main character to appear on center camera in episode 1. Jon and Rob were off to the sides.
That's an interesting observation. Definitely not a coincidence.
Same for the books: He was the first Point-of-view character. I didn't really realize that until GRRM said in an interview how unusual it was to have a boy, that was supposed to be the most important character in the show (first POV character) nearly die. And in the booka he is much more likeable
@@acleamofhope All the top characters nearly die. Jon DID die and come back to life, and Dany survived multiple near-death experiences and could survive fire.
Yes! Bran is a combo of all the three eyed ravens before him. Bran didn't become king the three eyed raven did.Perfect description!
Its just weird because the show specifically told us that the three eyed Raven can't become king or hold any title.
I can't imagine the leaders of the 6 Kingdoms going along with Bran's non interventional style of leadership for very long.
Bran is the king but Tyrion runs the kingdom. Still hard to see how Dorne and the Iron Islands stay with this king.
Are you kidding?! A non-intervention king is exactly what individual kingdoms would want. So they can have more control of their own kingdoms.
One has to wonder if Bran would begin replanting Weirwood groves around Westeros.
Turning it into a police state with an all-seeing eye as king
yeah probably. and if you wanna build a sept you now have to plant a weirdwood tree or else you can't get approval to build. XD
@@julianlesk2118 litterally Mordor
I told a friend of mine a couple of years ago that Bran was probably the most important characters on the show (he is in the books) and that he might one day be King... she laughed hysterically.
Amy Marckel she did fckn nothing on the show but get bunch of people killed and be weird af
Amy Marckel you are a smart person with great foresight 👍🏾
Yes, and who wouldn't. In the reality of the series, Bran is unknown creepy kid that sits in a wheelchair and doesn't talk a whole lot. Electing him to be the most important person in the world doesn't make any sense because we don't even know his character, we don't know him and thus we can't make this notion work at the emotional level where narratives run their course.
This intellectual dissection here shows the bare bones of how the showrunners probably set it up (and mad props for making such a serious effort to show that this is how they did it) but most people will not be persuaded or satisfied. Stories of fantasy, of magic, dragons, betrayals, honor, and the wrongness of ruthless exploitation, were not told this way early on in the first seasons. It was emotional and we felt that we knew these characters and how they thought.
Bran is simply not fleshed out enough to be a character of this stature. He's a puppet of some ancient cthulhu-like power, who's almost mute and always sitting in a wheelchair, and never seems to do anything of note. It is bizarre. To ask us to believe that Bran is the most subtle and farsighted of all manipulators of Westeros is basically ruining the human element of the story, making it about how ancient knowledge and capability of maybe seeing in the future are really the most important thing. That might be so, but it feels like part of a different kind of story. Bran as he is now is the wrong kind of character for this setting, and for the emotional tone established at the beginning of the story. He might be a fine protagonist or antagonist for a different series altogether -- one I suspect I would not be watching.
Antti Lankila you missed out on a few details about Bran/the three eyed raven and the reasons that make Him the PERFECT candidate to be KING right now.
This might help you.
A guy actually predicted WHY IT SHOULD BE BRAN AS KING before the finale and “maybe “ Tyrion to rule as hand” . And I totally agree with this ..he was spot on
ruclips.net/video/J5n8Q4lOUic/видео.html
Amy Marckel
All the reasons why it should be Bran
ruclips.net/video/J5n8Q4lOUic/видео.html
were right to think so too
Cersei did say to Ned Stark “When you play the Game Of Thrones you win or you die. There is no middle ground,” and she was absolutely right. Everyone who played and didn’t end up with the throne, died. Cersei, Joffrey, Tommen, Stannis, Renly, Dany, even Rob as he fought to be King In the North. Jon wasn’t playing. He was never playing, as he didn’t want it and would never have accepted it. Bran was, we just didn’t know it 🤷🏾♀️ and he won.
This would have been awesome to discuss and analyze if the last season wasn't butchered.
Great work though.
I had been saying the same thing. After I calmed down and thought it through the ending made sense. But I also realised that in my opinion it wasnt butchered. D&D where in a tight spot no winds of winter and George had left the show after season 5 to finish writing it I presume. And the story doesn't really work in the end without both the night king and bran storyline. But George hasn't even come close to giving the details of that story, and likely is having a hard time with that part himself. So they could take it thier own direction and try to explain it (they obviously didn't want to and i dont blame them i dont want them to either they know and we would have known very soon that story is far above thier writing talents) or they could wrap it up quick and move towards the ending while also having to dodge paparazzi, film in closed sets as much as possible. And film slightly different endings flying characters out to sets to be little more than distractions to try to keep the ending from bieng leaked. And I now realize the ending to the long night episode soured anything after it for me, I just kept saying they better have something big planned after that. And they did but it wasn't going to be super satisfying whatever they did. And with the rush it did make things harder to understand, I get why they where rushing now though. And even if everything whent right people where still going to pissed at the ending no matter what. You have a group of dany fans roaming the internet waging war on everyone who doesn't support her its ironic and funny yet sad all at the same time lol
Hmm, so the throne of Westeros went to, quite possibly, the most evil entity still alive on the show.
That's EXACTLY what I just said.. And have been saying since i saw the final episode. And if the plan was to end it on a possible diabolical cliffhanger, fine! But there was ZERO clue to that. I don't think the writers saw it as diabolical which is just... A damn shame. The meticulous writing & loop closings, realistic action/reaction (regardless of protagonists & antogonists) is what made me fall in love with the show. I feel they didn't tie the story together, that's why im annoyed. I don't care if Danerys went crazy. I saw it as a 50/50 chance since season 2. I dont care Bran got the throne. I care they didn't tie the story up and rushed through everything so fast they literally lost their way. They should've done 2 hour episodes (or made 10 episodes) and also made at least a 9th season.
Season 8 should've been entirely about the Long Night & its resolvement in a 2 hour Finale. Then used the last 20-30 mins to setup the pieces for The Last War in the Finale. And then dedicated another major season to the Last War &then taken its last 2-3 episodes to wrap it all up in a nice bow
The most evil entity? He has literally never done one single thing that could even be considered bad much less evil. You’re an idiot.
@@MrSoloDolo20100 Perhaps... insidious? Would that please you better?
Snerd Bergler No. He was not insidious. Did either of you even watch the show? I don’t play pretend and assume I know something that was never shown or even talked about. If Bran was bad in anyway, they would’ve addressed it.
@@MrSoloDolo20100 It's not Bran. Bran is effectively dead. Were you not paying attention?
These videos are really helping me with my grieving. Thank you
*Sniffles*
It’s a trip to read your kind remark with anchor words like as “grieving” & “sniffles” juxtaposed against Ramsey Bolton’s “crazy” face...
Well... Ramsey did warn us all those seasons ago, “ if you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention.”
Cheers!!
madyjules Your welcome my friend.
Now will you give me a shave?
Robert. The man with the velvet voice that calms all our nerves and focuses our minds. Go big my friend! We got your back homie!
"Why do you think I've come all this way." could also refer to how much he's changed.
When everyone who was playing the Game of Thrones thought they were playing 4D chess, the Three-Eyed Raven/Bran was playing 8D chess the whole time.
Blood Raven always wanted to be king, didn't he? So in a way, he became what he wanted, he just used Bran's body to do so. Excellent video as always, Robert.
You all giving too much credit to dumb&dumber guys. Too complex for them.
That’s my theory too.
@@dushas9871 Funny that George Martin approved the direction of not only the past few seasons, but season 8 and even the fucking ending. That means George Martin signed off on Arya killing the Night King, Jon killing Dany, and 3ER becoming king. So the storytelling might not have been so great, was a bit rushed, and the writing was not very good but the STORYLINE was correct. The character endings were all correct and the show ended correctly. Stop crying for a minute, step back and realize you were witness to the greatest show ever made in history. Stop simply repeating when other idiots are saying and have an actual opinion
@@Wodz30 If you think that the books will be the same, you havent been paying attention
Wodz30 thank god someone else said it everybody just mad that Dany was mad when it’s been shown all eight seasons that that’s what was going to happen the storyline in the books will end the same sorry people
Is it possible that when the 3 eyed raven transferred his power to Bran in the cave, that he really transferred his conciousness into Brans body? Meaning that technically the Blood raven is now ruling the throne?
I personally think that bran has no idea what's happening most of the time and just makes up shit on the fly.
Tyrion: "do you want to become king?"
Bran *Oh..shit..erm..*
Also Bran: "why do you think i came all the way"
Everyone: "all hail bran the broken"
Bran *Oh.. shit.. that actually worked!*
An interesting detail from the show was how the new king's guard armor doesn't show the stark sigil but instead is the head of a raven.
Love your videos! The content, the storytelling, the logic the stories follow and the amount of research you've put into them... Amazing job Robert!
Absolutely love your videos. And it is refreshing to see commentary on the story as it is rather than how anyone person would have wanted it to be.
Loved the segment at the end reminding us that Bran is just as much of a pawn in the Three-eyed Raven's game as anyone else.
Genuinely a better explanation than what the writers put to script. Kudos to you.
If this good explanation came out from the events and conversations from the show; then how is it that the writers didn't do a good job?
@@dimshosta Because a lot of it is assumed rather than shown; Robert here has done an excellent job of filling in the blanks that the writers didn't bother with.
@@jimmyart007 I don't know. People sometimes complain that when everything is explained clearly, then that means writers are treating viewers like babies. And cases are made that it's better and more interesting to have hidden clues so people can revisit the events and tie things up and come up with conclusions... Yet when it's done like that, people complain again that it wasn't clear.
Granted, D&D are no Martin... nor are thet supposed to be. Just saying .
@@dimshosta Quite so, however note that you're writing this comment with the added benefit of seeing this video. As such, it's somewhat redundant to then consider all plots resolved after someone has just done such a feat for you. In other words, this is clearly an ad hoc explanation, but a compelling, well-thought out one nonetheless.
Off-screen conversations about hypothetical scenarios are not the mainstay of any decent narrative. 'Show, not tell' is the old adage, and when one chooses to do neither, why should that be lauded as satisfactory? You might argue that there's more room for discussion that way, but that hardly compares to previous seasons, wherein motivations were relatively clear but outcomes not always expected. There's a clear, rational line to every character involved in the Red Wedding yet we do not consider it as either fan service nor a 'heel turn'. Again, there's a marked distinction between contrivance and the product of established characterization.
Spot on bro! I was trying to convince my friends that the three eyed raven and the night king were the only new members to the mix. Fighting a ancient war for the land.
fighting a war? lol. Bran did nothing but be the vegetable he was through the whole series. The night king got defeated in his first major battle unceremoniously by a girl who didn't even use her assassin powers but was still inexplicably able to navigate her way through the army of the dead and the wight generals undetected. Some war.
@@fvefve12 you imbecile her ability to go through a crowd unnoticed is not inexplicable. It is because of the fact I have not been asleep the last 10 years that I know how she can do that as part of her well established training in her equally well established story arc - she can take the faces of her enemies.
But she didn't take the faces of her enemies to blend among them did she. And it hasn't been explained how she got to where she got except for the inference that sheer speed was involved as she caused one of the Wight generals hair to move as she......I guess.....runs past every single one of the night kings personal entourage lol.
I always come back to this. Smart objective take that follows the actual narrative of the storyline instead of subjective fan theories .
Thank you
Thank you for attempting to make sense out of all this, great video.
99% of this season makes perfect sense. The writing and storytelling made people not understand wtf happened. Every character ended correctly, as did the show
@@Wodz30 that's not true
@@Wodz30 not even close
array s how does bran make a good master of coin?
CRUX ANSATA Bronn not Bran And that doesn’t make sense either. The ending was no where close to satisfying. The small council scene was ludicrous to the point of being comical.
Bran - Bran the broken, 3 eyed raven, "Grandmaster" (Chess).
Thanks Robert, wish I had stumbled upon you before the last few episodes, but I'm really enjoying your content. Look forward to the future!
ditto
Watch his Traveller's Guide to Westeros playlist. It's excellent!
Anyone else thing it’s funny Hodor’s name is similar to hold the door, even sounds the same.
John Hawkes probably just a coincidence
bliztix GRRM ran out of names and got lucky!
Great video Robert! You always provide deep, thought provoking content....I love it! I'm looking forward to your videos on the GoT Prequel, Westworld, and more!
This type of scenario is often depicted in Science fiction movies, regarding knowing the future, Bran/3ER did see Kingslanding be destroyed, but he was seeing what WILL happen no matter what he does. as you said, the tree is the acorn, and the acorn is the tree. in Westeros events seem to be written in stone, and cannot be changed, Dany also witnessed the destruction of Kingslanding in a vision, and even though she had intent to NOT allow that to happen, it did, she even told Tyrion to tell her when she was going off track.
The Hodor situation is a perfect example, Hodor became Hodor, in the future that was already set before it happened. Bran is King because he was already King in the future. Bran just did what he remembers himself having done already in some future past. in Science fiction this is called a causal loop, Westeros exist in one.
Could the three eyed ravens, change this loop? , it's possible that they know what the outcome would be if they did, possibly the total destruction of man, we must not forget that if it were not for Daenery's existence, everyone in Westeros would eventually be an Ice zombie. those 200,000 that may have died in Kings Landing is a small price to pay to prevent the alternative.
Are you people serious about this shite? Honestly?
@@tracyhoelscher7097 Why bother watching this video, reading the above comment, and then replying to it if it's shite as you call it?
Willis was turned into Hodor accidentally (by Bran, deliberately by the three-eyed raven), as Bran was in the vision at Winterfell when Bloodraven told him to listen to Meera and warg Hodor to make him hold the door. Hodor was a gentle soul and would have been far too scared to do that by himself.
You are going waaay deeper than the author's own intent. Also, Bran can manipulate and change events. He did it by calling out to his father, Ned in his youth. He interfered in the present by making sure to use Sam's emotions to get him to tell Jon his identity. In turn causing Jon to not be able to return the kind of love to Daney she had for him... Which in turn became a major reason in Danerys' total flip out. Jon didn't need to know his identity & the White Walkers still would've been defeated. Re: Kings Landing: Bran could've warned his family & the northmen of the coming onslaught & even wharged into Drogon after the Bells rung. &they could've restrained or secretly assasinated Danerys after. Basically.. Ugh
@@baruchgoldberg6280 young Ned would not have heard a distinct voice in that instance, just something in the wind which sounded like someone calling him. Like in the books when Bran talks to Theon at Winterfell through the Heart Tree; Theon hears a rustling in the leaves which sounds like someone saying his name. Oftentimes when I'm laying in bed in the early morning I seem to hear someone calling my name, but I know its just a crow outside and my dazed state at that time of day. Or is it.... 😂
That's our question, Robert. My answer is Beniof and Weiss wrote this and they didn't understand the characters. Good video. Honestly, my wife agrees with the perspective that Bran was always going to be King.
Totally agree. I always thought that D&D were just told that Bran will be king in the end, but they never understood why or what his character is about. Hence the "out of nowhere feeling" when he was chosen king
@@luisab5726 I think a lot of this has to do with how fast the last season resolved all of the lingering plot threads. Imagine if we had 6 episodes for the Night King arc and 6 episodes for the Iron Throne arc. They could have done so much more, properly set up all of the major plot threads and allowed the story to breathe.
...would’ve made of a boring season.
I think they understood the character just fine. Everything Robert pointed out came from the material THEY wrote. I think where it kind of came out of left field for me was Tyrion's justification of "everyone loves a good story". I thought that was pretty weak. Certainly with all that time to think, he could have come up with something a little more compelling, like "who better to prevent future bs than Bran the Brainiac? No one can get away with shit with him in charge". Or "a man who is literally stripped of emotion and can literally see everything that went wrong for the realm ever in it's history, would be the man least apt to repeat those mistakes". On and on. That story thing was just huh?
Always such great and original content! A pleasure to hear your take on the recent events!
Thank you for a thoughtful essay on this subject. I had thought along similar lines, but your discussion really brought it into sharp focus. Sadly, it makes me realize all the more what a loss of story these last two seasons were. Keep up the great work!
Because the writers screwed up Season 8
Incorrect. Every storyline ended correctly as did the show. Bad writing and storytelling. Maybe actually watch this video
Who would you want on to rule.. Jon is a wimp Daenerys has always stunk with her father's smell and women are not fit to rule Tyrion is an imp and is hated as he said. Bran is the perfect choice
GRRM told them how to end it...
As usual, interesting and insightful. Thanks Robert.
BTW, I don't know if you noticed, but if you look closely in the scene where Brienne is writing on the Book of Brothers, you'll notice that the sigil in her armor is that of a raven!
Yeah the raven or crow is the same sigil as the night king to, also Bran had it on him and podrick also at the end. He was supposed to work side by side with the night king, but Bran betrayed him.
@@bugr33d0_hunter8 Can you explain your opinion more? I'm curious.
It’s a new house created by the three eyed raven. House Raven.
Ryan -Malikode- Anastasia Not exactly. The Night King has a raven SKULL as his sigil. They are polar opposite entities. Night King is death. Three Eyed Raven is life.
Bran and the crown technically don't belong to any house, so the raven/crow motive is a good choice. Bran aka 3ER will have to lure another person to become the 3ER after him and make sure that one gets elected :)
No, sorry he will have to forsee that :)
Bran is a mix of Galadriel's "water miror" and Frodo's "free will" symbolics
Good one. Only one thing. When he says “Ink is dry”, he also says “past is written”. He is not talking about future. Ever. So he could be changing it
Agreed.
He literally played the game of thrones 😂
he cheated though lol
@@OHCAM5 lol
OHCAM5 and won! Lol
He was AFK most of it , but ok.
Mohamed megahed AFK but always watching 👀
Thank you Robert,this and you are greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work.
He was following the Golden Path of Leto II Atredies.
VespoLiveGaming only hardcore science fiction fans will understand this comment✊
@@ScottTangents Well, to be fair, the Three-Eyed Raven laid out that path in much the same way that the Benet Gesserit did.
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@@johnathonhaney8291 I find it VERY likely that GRRM pulled some kind of inspiration on some level from Dune.
As soon as he kicked his girlfriend to the curb once she got him safely back to Winterfell, it was clear that Bran ISN'T BRAN anymore, he's the 3-eyed raven. So the question we should really be asking is: *"WHY DID THE 3-EYED RAVEN BECOME KING?"* He will do/say what it takes to survive. The Children of the Forest won this round of GOT. Good video! I agree with every point you made here.
It's good to hear a nice, calm analysis of the ending. Some things happened in season 8 that I didn't like, but all in all, I loved the series. I didn't like how The Sopranos, or Dexter ended, but still loved the shows.
at least both of those endings make sense.
@@sfjlfkjsdlfkjds I think that's the main problem, people expecting it to be like the book. Once you start having dragons and zombies, realism is out the window anyway. I enjoyed it for what it was... entertainment.
@@txbuzzkill6276 good fantasy has it's own rules and sticks to it's internal rules (even if they defer from real life rules - ie dragons). Many fans have problems because many of these internal rules have been thrown overboard for visual spectacle, plot convenience and hasty telling in SE8. GRRM wanted his story to be internally consistent and wanted to rid his stories of usual tropes of Fantasy like plot armour and inconsistencies.
@@0815Mann See, that's the deal... I don't care about GRRM, if he wanted it to end like the books, he should have finished the series. I haven't read the books, and I don't plan to. All I'm saying is, I enjoyed the series.
@@sfjlfkjsdlfkjds I agree on the military thing and the gold thing. But in some ways the show was too real. Jaime going back to Cersei is classic abusive relationship behavior but everyone really seemed to want that fairy-tale, Shrek-style ending for that character's arc. Made no sense to me. I thought it had a beautiful and sympathetic end to two pitiable, sympathetic, misunderstood characters. GoT fans are always so approving of realism in terms of character. Why not in this case?
Thank you for all that you do 🙏🏼
Thanks Robert for all your hard work and content. Such great things to ponder over!
Thank You Robert for your very even handed and considerate manner of explaining things without criticism. You have said on livestreams that you want people to undertand what they are viewing, it is not in your interest to tear things apart. Kudos to you!
I love your insights so much, you and Ideas of Ice and Fire are my favourite ASOIAF/GoT channels.
I would also add Alt+Shift+X. Those are my Trinity of GoT contents.
I agree with you entirely. He’s not Bran, he’s the 3ER who has been manipulating events since before the start of the show/books. I suspect he sent the Direwolf pups to the Starks, and in the books wargs into Ghost to reveal important things to Jon, among other things. I think he also considered taking Euron at one time, as Euron talks about how the crow coming to him in dreams telling him he could fly. Then Euron starts going by Euron Crow’s Eye, clearly these dreams impacted him.
It could also be that Euron will be a tool the Three Eyed Raven uses to eliminate some of Dany's dragons (what with his horn and all).
@Lord Jesse You are talking about the show and everyone else in this thread is talking about the books. Shut the fuck up
Excellent video! It makes the ending much more interesting than any of the alternatives I've read online.
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What makes you say Jon was okay with Bran knowing his true name? He didn’t have a choice. It’s not like he could delete the file from Bran’s memory.
John said openly that he "must" tell Aria and Sansa because they're his "family". Bran is no less his "family", so this would apply equally to him.
dustinb42 exactly. Being the honorable man he is, he felt like he had to tell them. That doesn’t mean he was okay with them knowing. Just like he knew he had to kill Danny. That doesn’t mean he was okay with it. In fact he was not okay with killing Danny at all. He was very conflicted in that situation because he was not “okay” with killing Danny.
Chaos is a ladder and bran climbed that ladder , thank you lord Belish
Chaos is a ramp.
The children of the forest finally reclaimed westedos from the realms of men... and somehow nobody understands it lmao. "Fans" dont even know why everything ended like it did. Bran is dead, the 3 eyed raven/king of the forest and westeros has finally reclaimed his "throne" after thousands of years.
For all your many lessons, I shall never forget them..........
Antti Lankila lMAO
Harold Hall Yes and no. Yes and no. The children of the forest are gone, as far as we know, even though they live through the three eyed raven’s memories. And the previous three eyed raven was a man from the nights watch. So yes and no.
❤️🔥❤️ The video that was needed! I think Bran’s timing to insist now was the time to Sam to talk to Jon was specific.
Excellent commentary as usual, and looking forward to your next ones.
It’s one thing to say the future is written... and if so, then nothing Bran did could qualify as manipulation. But it is another to suggest that one who sees the future can see a dozen ways things might play out, depending on a confluence of myriad individual choice. Bran did not tell anyone about dany burning kings landing, true- but at no point does Bran ever tell anyone about any aspect of the future he has seen, other than stating the night king would come for him. Bran did not ‘allow’ kings landing to burn, because no one really heeds prognostication... and just because you try and tell people it’s going to happen, does not mean they can do anything to prevent it.
Of the possible futures that bran could influence, the destruction of kings landing may well have been the future with the Least casualties. Just as all those who died at winterfell prevented the night king from zombifying all of Westeros.
Nice take. Bang on.
But if there is a dozen ways it can play out that's multiple timelines... Then Hodor doesn't make sense.
The ink is dry therefore fixed timeline. There's no other way to explain why Hodor is Hodor before bran is born
Suzuki Six - hodor still makes sense, because bran was not yet the three eyed raven...not aware of the consequences of his actions. And the 3 eyed raven did nothing to prevent Hodor from flipping out. Bran just being bran and making every choice he made without knowledge of the future or his potential influence made the choices he ,axe that resulted in Hodor. It was that experience that made him understand how one future comes about... thru the unwitting actions of the people involved.
So- no it actually explains hodor, because before Bran could reliably see potential futures, he did not have knowledge of any other choices he might have made.
@@christopherpardell4418 what would him being aware of his actions have anything to do with it? How could the 3 eyed Raven have done anything? And what do you mean resulting in Hodor? Hodor was already Hodor.
Look...fixed timeline is the only way we could have seen Hodor before bran is even born. That was the whole point of hodors character....to establish how time works in this story.
Any other logic means Hodor wouldn't be Hodor until after. Either alternate timeline in which case we would have known wylis not Hodor from the start. Or dynamic timeline which means we would have known wylis from the start and seen hodors change after bran came back (back to the future style).
Sorry nothing you said made sense bran didn't make any choices because he couldn't have. He couldn't have not went beyond the wall because it already happened we just hadn't got to the point in the 4th demension yet.
Go google 3 time travel theories.
@@christopherpardell4418 remember when bran said "I'd rather be dead" ....he couldn't have killed himself. The assassin couldn't have killed him. Theon couldn't have killed osha and on and on.
It's predeterminism and free will is an illusion
I'd say it's a paralel to the "golden path" of the Dune Series.
It's a step in the right direction, even though it is painful.
I’d love to see a video highlighting similarities and differences between Bran and Paul / Leto.
All hail the God Emperor of Westeros. I first heard this idea the other day. Dune is definitely one of the influences on GRRM
@@comikdebris I've read that Lovecraft was also an influence on ASOIAF, cosmic horror. If that's true, then the Children of the Forest (and the 3-Eyed Raven) sliding into rulership without much question means the story keeps going in my imagination. These beings communicate through a network of memories and thoughts, like a language, at least to my understanding. That's beautiful in the right fantasy-writer's hands, but another writer like GRRM could make it equally horrific. Bran can warg _through time;_ that's a new thing for them.
I’m convinced that you are the only one who analysed it so well that it fits. D&d probably didn’t think much by making him king but you gave it sense in grrm style
GRRM told them how he plans on having the books end. I wish i could find the interview, but it was an interview with GRRM, they were talking about how the show was going to handle the ending (before season 8). He said that he didn't know the particulars and details of how it was going to exactly get there but he gave them how he plans on ending it. If i had to guess in the books, Dany is going to die, Jon will live with the wildlings, Bran will be king, Tyrion will be hand, Jamie and Cersei will die, Varus will die.... that sort of thing is what he told them. Vague end points.
your explanation makes Bran becoming King more logical now :) Great job (y)
This is what I’ve been saying all along! BRAN IS THE VILLAIN!
So the Night King was a good guy trying to stop the genocide of kings landing + bran's calculated fu qqery
Sansa and Bran schemed against Jon by forcing him to take the black to get him out of the picture so that they both would be able to rule.
No first a life sentence was the only way to appease the unsullied especially grey worm second Bran can see the past so he knew that beyond the wall was the place Jon was happy and that Jon truly didn't want to be King and it was the only way to stop everyone from trying to force him to be king. So Bran excepted the job of King so Jon could be free because Jon saved them all so many times he deserved what HE wanted for a change
Blue Moon well said
Phenomenal observations I love listening to your insightful views as I came to similar conclusions. I wish more fans realized how well the show was done from the whole perspective such as yourself. Thanks for always having the best videos!
No, the show wasn't done well. The ending could've been great with more elaborate hints and explanation of all these mentioned in Robert's video, but the insane rush of season 8 made it pretty much difficult to follow and think through what's going on. The ending with all these explanations only makes sense because it's some kind of GRRM stuff that was revealed to D&D years ago. That's what they could make out of it, but how they did it was miserably nonsensical.
Most people don't have problems with WHAT happened in the ending, but with the HOWs and WHYs. This should've been a 10 season show.
@@Tofi_ytchannel dude you do know how hard it is to adapt 1000 plus page books into an hour long TV show right? Add to that 2 of the books arent even finished and all your working with is a loose idea of how things are supposed to end. For all the holes they had to fill in I think they did a pretty good job. Its easier to flesh out characters when you have over a thousand pages to do it. This show could've been 15 seasons long and I think many fans would be pissed just because they didn't get their and they all lived happily ever after ending. The actors all have different projects they are working on as well which can be a hard thing to work through as well didnt you notice the amount of casting changes they had? How much more would the fan base have been pissed if Kit or Emelia or another big character would have pulled out of the series before it was finished. Most shows typically get 8 seasons if they are a solid top tier show most dont last longer due to the myriad of reasons I listed and many others I didnt cover such as budget and production costs. For everything they had to work with and without the show was good. Just because you didnt like the ending because your character didnt get what you thought they deserved is being completely biased. Be glad if you truly have read the books that is that we at least got this much and if you didnt read the books and just followed the show if you want better plotlines and stories more fleshed out I think you should consider reading the books then if you are truly a fan of the characters.
@@robjwilsonrw dude, of course I've read the books, I know what I'm talking about... if you think my problem is that "my characters" didn't get what they deserved, you didn't understand a bloody word of my comment
@@Tofi_ytchannel care then to elaborate more though at least for me so I can get more of an idea on what your expectations were at least? I'm really honestly interested in what changes you would make and your viewpoints on what ways that it could have better made more sense as an ending. I actually like talking through this topic with fans who are also book readers to get their takeaways from the messages.
@@robjwilsonrw I said it already, but let's be more clear then.
There should've been three seasons, well elaborated, built up logically, giving the characters time for the huge 180° turns they made in S08.
S8: The Long Night
S9: The Mad Queen
S10: Overcoming the Dragon
WOW !!! Excellent, just excellent . I’m looking at Game Of Thrones so differently now . So obvious now you’ve explained Bran .. Bravo sir bravo 👏
Fully agree what u said at the end love your stuff
It's like the Butterfly Effect.
You know what,the fact that he knew and let the events that would lead him to become King happen kinda makes him the most evil character in the story. He literally let thousands of people (plus a dragon) die by dragon fire and steel and did nothing to stop it.
THANK YOU. I've had this exact thought a thousand times--the fucked up things Bran directly or indirectly brought about are magnitudes more unspeakable than what every villain in the series, put together, ever did. I personally see him as straight-up evil & if his story went on it would only get more so.
No wonder the Night King wanted him dead!
Throwing Jon under the bus so to speak to get the rightful Heir out of the way was premeditated. I'd like to see Jon find Evidence either from Blood Ravens Cave. Or the Night Kings Palace.
@@gravyjones8305 And the thing is he could have warned Jon and Tyrion heck even give Dany a warning message telling her to control her madness, but no they just had him sit there and watch it all play out. Also how much easier would it have been if Dany and Jon got married in WinterFell after the Long Night? Many Targaryen King's and Queens have ruled together (most notably Jaehaerys and Alysanne) then they would travel together inland as they marched down the King's Road. Then they could easily have used the same strategies that Dany used in episode five take the city and storm the Red Keep. Cersei would have no choice but to surrender, or she could as a final stand blow everything up with Wildfire.
Beautiful telling bro, love the videos keep up the good work
This guy should do a asmr game of thrones channel with that voice
The best ad placement i’ve ever seen: Audible ad that opens with the words ‘everyone loves a good story’ on a GOT video about Bran as king.
BRAN: "“Why do you think I came all this way?” Bran after Tyrion asked him to be king. ---- The Three-Eyed Raven is the Grandmaster of the Game of Thrones. That answer proves it.
Exactly!
Your analysis in this GoT review video is absolutely Excellent! Great Job!
Great perspective, and well explained
In the first book Catelyn seems to favor Bran big time. She "let go" of her other kids but really didn't want to be without Bran
Looking forward to your Westworld discussions when season 3 returns!
Bran is so sinister and creepy, but I love your take on this. Sooo excited about you covering LOTR, geek hearts everywhere will explode. Thanks for another compelling video Robert, great topic! =)
Hello Robert , I enjoy your discussions so much. I love how you broke down who started Robert's Rebellion. I don't want to give anything away but I believe your theory.
Originally, I thought Tyrian won the GoT, following in his father's footsteps as the most powerful/influential man in Westeros... I must say Robert, I don't think that's the case anymore... damn 3-eyed raven! lol... Please do a follow up video on what you think Westeros will look like under the rule of the 3-eyed Raven... Great stuff as always. Best GoT channel out there :)
because he is broken...plus he just needs some sun light and fresh soil to flourish
If they're very patient, they could use the art of bonsai to keep Bran in check. You know, strong trunk, shallow roots, shaped to grow EXACTLY as the artist wires and prunes it to grow/not grow.
You made the ending so much more interesting. Now I can go back and watch it with your theory in mind and feel better.
I’ve watched pretty much all of your game of thrones videos but this one is definitely one of my favorites much to my surprise
It’s sad to think by showing just a few key moments from Bran’s master manipulation, we could all view the final season SO differently! 😔
You should watch netflix german series "Dark" and do videos about it as well. Would be awesome.
While we're doing suggestions, The Last Kingdom is also a good one on netflix.
Raffi Kasarjian the ending of that show is HORRIBLE!!!!
@@lesliemisaacs it's only the ending of the first season you dumbfuck
@@lesliemisaacs Its not the ending, season 2 is coming in june. And i didnt think it was bad tbh.
You are both brilliant and clear, - watching this video made me understand things much better.
Thoroughly enjoy your breakdown and interpretation of this series. Thanks!
"We just wanted to subvert expectations and kind of forgot that character development is a thing" ~David Benioff
Tyrion was right, people tell the same five jokes over and over. I’m sorry all you got from that commentary was an overused punchline because a lot of us actually understood what he was trying to say.
Good for You. Does not change the fact that Character development was zero. Use all the convoluted logic and tropes you want.
Just a pissed off fanboy who is pissed his theories didn’t come true and pissed at the fact that he had expectations in a show that never ever gave us the expected.
You guys are really being autistic about the forgot line.. is that how they described that event? She forgot?
Or did they say she forgot, she wasn't thinking about them but they were thinking about her?
Do you think she just forgot they existed? And when was Dany a military genius? They went out of their way to show us how overconfident, impatient, and distracted she was.
Ever go to walk out of your house without your keys? Did you forget that your keys exist? Or did ya just have a lot on your mind?
There's complaints to be made but sadly most of the fandom went way beyond that after episode 4 and now it's just the biggest bitchfit the world has ever seen.
Old Nan said Crows are all lairs. All hail the God Emperor of Westeros
So good! The world needs this explanation
Excellent essay! Thank you for sharing this!!!
You ascribe Bran with intention to influence things, motivated by the desire to fulfill what is supposed to happen, but I would say that as he knows this would happen anyway, he is either: passively “plays his role” with things like influencing Sam to reveal John’s true identity, or: actually indifferent as things are going to play themselves out in only possible way, so there isn’t any way to change the outcome.
Bran is the 3 eyed raven. The children of the forest lost westeros to the invading men, (starks and targs) now with the 3 eyed raven on the throne the children of the forest have finally reclaimed the lands they lost thousands of years ago. Thats it. Thats all.
Why not keep your interpretation, but acknowledge it’s only one perspective? I think the real beauty of this scenario - is exactly the inherent ambiguity. Which is quite analogous to the problem of free-will within determinism.
I can get Tyrion’s (and by extension the writers) reasoning but it just doesn’t make sense that the north would become independent and a stark become king. And it’s weird to have someone so uncharismatic that the southerners would barely know. I think they should have just abandoned having a United Kingdom’s and have all the regions be independent kingdoms.
MrBKainX the lords in almost each kingdom are new...it’s a new era in Westeros....
Ned was in contention to become king back at the start in the preceding war but stayed loyal to his friend, the Lanisters even subtly offered to support their bid for hegemony if Ned had wanted to take the crown when he took King's Landing, they are the 2 most powerful houses during Robert's reign aside from the Tyrell's, and the Tyrells are ultimately defeated by the Lannisters during the war while the North is a surviving force, and again there was a Lannister backing a Stark for hegemony in the council.
The Starks are of the oldest surviving direct line of westerosi royalty too, and had declared the return of their royal house during the more recent war, and the economic structures of the kingdom had come to be appreciated by many during the times there were capable hands of the king in office, on top of this having an independent North and a frail King both made Bran appear weak, which may have appealed to the others, making them more confident about getting their own way later, which likely would have became a crushed assumption after the reality of them having instated a seer king with warging powers became apparent.
One of only three GOT fan theorists that I will ever want to support. I love your content.
You probably explained this better than the show runners ever could.
So they ended up with an amoral, creepy, mystical guy as king who's about to take control of a dragon. Not bad.
Grow up: every one is amoral and creepy... Bran is impersonal but entirely fair
@@davidjones272 Hey, I'm sorry I called Bran creepy and amoral, didn't know you guys were tight.
But based on the theory in the video, he seems like a bit of a dark character and I like that take on things. Just my opinion.
Meant no offense.
So interesting! Makes me want to learn so much about Bloodraven and prior three-eyed Ravens
In the books, Bloodraven always did what he thought was best for the realm, no matter what it did to his honor.
Like Varys