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I know this might be crazy but I think the timeline is wrong, cause of the event's in Skyward Sword. It happened before with Ocarina so there might be another break in the timeline which then leads to the event's of another Ganondorf and BotW & TotK, the reason is due to the fact Link had dropped the Temple of the Goddess on the Imprisoned and Ghirahim taking Zelda to undo Demise's seal in the past, and as typical fashion when Link went to the Temple and went through the Gate of Time sealing Demise away for good the Imprison would of never had the Temple of the Goddess dropped on it. That there would cause a break within the Timeline however it would be more of the Past where Demise is would then have Hylia or one of the Goddesses place the Temple of the Goddess back where the seal is due to the Demon King whom she had been protecting not needing to be within the sky no longer, so with that created the timeline where BotW and ToTk exists which would mean the World for LoZ is balanced until Ganondorf is born with the Zonai who had helped the people adjust to their new lives and eventually marrying Sonia and then throwing thing's out of balance once Ganondorf got the Secret Stone which is why the 2nd Wielder of the Master Sword is a hybrid of Hylian and Zonai then the sealing of Ganondorf and then the Calamity appearing. I had given it some thought as there is a possible break of the timeline again when I remember that Link goes into the Past to save Zelda from Ghirahim, so with no Demise/The Imprisoned there in the past, Ganondorf could then be born there before everything that happened.
Now there might be some incorrect info or anything like that, it's just a crazy thought that came into my head since Ocarina of Time's Link broke the timeline into 3 different timelines. The Era with No Hero, the Child Timeline, and The Hero is Defeated timelines. The reason there is only 2 different timeline's from Skyward Sword is due to Link destroying The Imprisoned in his current timeline and then going back to the Past to then defeat and Seal away Demise so both timeline's didn't have either of them as they were destroyed and/or sealed away in the past and present. If Ganondorf knows what happened and knew the timeline had broken not once but twice and is it why he tried to seize TotK since it had been a different world with the timeline breaking twice, a world where he could gain control is may of been able to unlock the secret's of Demise due to the Secret Stone's as we've seen there is no knowledge of the Triforce and it only appeared when Zelda finally used her sealing magic, and yeah this is getting too long but end of story there's 2 breaks in the timeline not one and it starts in Skyward Sword. I know I can be wrong about this or even right but it does make you think back when playing Skyward Sword that yeah the Hero of the Skies already broke time and may of split the timeline before the Hero of Time had broken it just like the first Spirit of the Hero did.
As for the Master Sword it transcends time and space so when the Hero of the Skies had gotten it powered up and to it's true form, it would be in that other timeline as well from the first time break. Gotta admit it gets you thinking of what may of transpired since the Hero of Time had broken the timeline and why there are places in BotW and TotK are familiar but seem out of place as history would of changed due to Demise having been sealed in the Past and the Imprisoned being destroyed in the Present timeline for Skyward Sword.
The fact that the secret stones impart knowledge on the wielder has so much theory potential imo. Every sage has this moment of clarity when they get their stone. Makes you wonder what they learned that we didn't.
It’s in the name, “secret” stone.
I actually like this theory as it deepens Ganondorf's character in the BOTW and TOTK story. It helps making this version of Ganondorf all the more potent in my opinion.
I've had a theory that, despite one major difference, your theory would still work for the most part. Mine is that BotW/TotK's Hyrule is new, born from the ashes of the three timelines being smashed back together by the Goddesses. The Golden Goddesses of the Triforce essentially created their own timeline each (downfall belonging to Din, child belonging to Farore, and adult belonging to Nayru), but they realized how unstable these timelines were, so they had no choice but to work together to restore them to one. In doing so, they gave up a great amount of their power, and chose to oversee the world as immortal dragons.
That was my theory to
I call this the Hyrule warriors theory (don't get confused with Age of calamity, that is the second Hyrule warriors)
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Now that this game has time to cook and settle the story could had been so much better if the events actually took place in the past in real time instead of using memories to fill in the blanks. That would had been the perfect excuse for a much different Hyrule and new world.
Both BotW and TotK annoy me in several ways, but a major way is that the memories always feel like I'm watching glimpses of the Zelda game I'd rather be playing.
Yeah, I really hope they ditch the whole memory system in the next zelda. I feel like it hinders the overall story of the game as the best stories in zelda in my opinion are usually the ones that you get to play in real time.
i love the memories! Its fun finding stuff and slowly figuring out why ur even there.
@@realgamer3948memories aren’t bad, but they need to accompany an actual story.
Memories in BOTW weren't bad, they were a good way of learning about what happened. That said, BOTW was in desparate need of a more involved story alongside those. TOTK's story was told story and simply had no purpose of the memories. Playing the memories out of order is dumb in that game, there's no reason Rauru doesn't just tell us what happened, and the player can already easily tell what happened from the very first memory yet the whole game drags it on like it's a twist you haven't figured out yet. And then there's the four identical sage cutscenes that give us nothing.
I think when ganon said "shape the world how it was meant to be" he was refering to his original plan he was carrying out until he was sealed by raru, now he has been revived and raru is no longer around he wants to carry out that vision. I don't think Nintendo really cares about the timeline as much as the fans do (no matter how much i wish they would care). They need to do a game where the golden godesses are forced to intervene and merge the timelines and have one unified timeline going forward.
I was with you until that “uniting the timelines” idea. I agree with HMK that BotW and TotK take place in the split after Skyward Sword and I’m hoping there aren’t any further timeline splits or “recombinations”. I would accept a new single timeline that’s completely separate though and work from there (just don’t make BotW and TotK take place in the single, non-split timeline).
I’m fine with them having their complex splitting timeline, and their single straightforward timeline at the same time. I think the biggest disappointment for me was when Minish Cap wasn’t the origin of Link’s cap because they decided to place Skyward Sword at the beginning of the timeline. Heck Minish Cap is barely (if at all) treated as canon now, which is a shame since it’s a good game. Anyway I digress. My point is that I want a new separate timeline that doesn’t split.
@@Klaxynd I'm pretty sure that the Era of the Wild duology is that very "timeline unification" you speak given the myriad of references, callbacks and easter egg regarding games from _all 3 timelines_ spread across the Hyrule from Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom. As Aonuma himself stated around the time of Breath of the Wild's release the events of that game take place "after the events of *all* the 3 timelines" leading to the aforementioned references, callbacks and easter eggs after all previous games fell into legend. With all this said it appears Nintendo is very much commited to a singular linear timeline once again after they outright ignored the events of Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity from the official japanese despite the game involving the creation of a new timesplit.
As for the notion that The Minish Cap is no longer canon to the official timeline i'm baffled as to why you would reach such conclusion when all 3 games within the "Four Sword trilogy" (that is Four Swords, The Minish Cap and Four Swords Adventures) are very much still a part of the official japanese timeline which still aknowledges their placement as of 2024. ¿You do know Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom's director Hidemaro Fujibayashi was also the director of both The Minish Cap and Skyward Sword right...? He was the one partly responsible for the creation of the Minish race so i'm pretty sure he would not be happy if Aonuma randomly decided to decanonize a game his "successor" directed after unifying the timelines with the Era of the Wild.
@@javiervasquez625 I never said Minish Cap is no longer canon. I said it’s barely treated as canon. As in, they barely reference it in the canon anymore.
@@Klaxynd I see. Well even if they barely reference it in recent games do know that the developers have not forgotten it as Fujibayashi originally intended to have a Minish Champion pilot a Divine Beast alongside the other 4 established Champions. Add to that their original plan to have Link able to find tiny Minish houses in the overworld and you can bet Nintendo still considers the game canon to the timeline.
@@javiervasquez625 no shit sherlock, everyone and their grandmother is aware that the wild era takes place after the unification with all the references and easter eggs in those games, im talking about Nintendo making a game where the unification actually happens and to show us how it happens and not just come out with a game 10s of thousands of years later and just say "oh yeh this takes place after the events of all 3 timelines" ok so how the fuck did that happen Nintendo?
I think that time travel in the Zelda universe kind of created a situation in which Hyrule is in a state of temporal flux. Possibly an unintended consequence of Hylia's efforts to defeat Demise in Skyward Sword.
There is no split in SS. Even if technically you could spin one, it is not what they intended narratively; as evidenced by their focus on Impa's bracelet, showing that there is a continuous thread between the past and present.
And Demise being constant?
@@HMK Demise exist outside of time itself. So technically he always exist and never existed at the same time. Since Link killed him in the gap between time that means the Curse of Demise has ALWAYS been active since the founding of the world by the 3 golden goddesses. Demise just made it so that instead of fading fully inside the Master Sword; an incarnation of him (The Demon Tribe) would always exist in every possible timeline. He basically split his being into pieces that randomly pop up. Everytime we fight someone who's apart of the Demon Tribe we are technically fighting Demise himself. Which also explains Ganondorf's transformation in TOTK.
there is a split in skyward sword.
demise died in two separate ways: once as the imprisoned in the present, and once as the demon king in the ancient past. demon king demise was sealed in the master sword; i once heard an argument that demise escaped the master sword only for impa to reseal him in the sealing spike, making the game a causal loop. however, demises very being was decaying in the sword. he was being progressively weakened eternally. if he was unable to escape seconds after being sealed in the master sword, he would be unable to escape in the future. therefore, demise remained in the blade until his inevitable decay into nothing. not only does the causal loop argument claim that he somehow was strong enough to escape after centuries of being weakened, it also required that an off-screen event which is never described or implied must have happened. it doesnt hold water.
therefore, the timeline branches in skyward sword. its not that im spinning it that way; its that the timeline branching is literally the only possible scenario.
@@mangounit9678 skyward sword is meant to be a stable time loop. Demise’s consciousness dies to Link in the past via the Master Sword, leaving behind the mindless Imprisoned that then died to Link’s wish to the Triforce. While this wasn’t communicated perfectly, this is definitely the intent of the story. No timeline splits.
Yeah. Many people correlate timeline splitting with time travel. At least in the case of SS that is not the case. There isn't a secret universe in SS, the "future" of the past segments of the game... are the "present" parts of the game. Let's remember that the thing that led to the actual universe split was the fact that Zelda herself returned Link to his original time, creating a timeline without the Hero.
And the Ganon Wins timeline, one has to assume that because it's the only canonical event where the Hero actually dies then it must mess up something up above with the Goddesses, because if Link dies then most likely the Triforce of Courage gets destroyed and unbalances things in a big way
this would imply there is now a 4th timeline though, separate from the others. which i suppose would explain a lot.
Ganondorf has the cunning of cao cao and the might of Lu bu
No wonder he's so fun to play as in the original Hyrule Warriors.
i tought nintendo said that they didnt care for the timeline in TOTK, that they didnt wanna think about it and just made the game?
They said that gameplay is their priority, but that they do actually consider the timeline as well.
I mean do they really? They have stated multiple times they will fix the timeline if anyone brings up a legitimate reason or issue with the timeline or if they deem fit which to me means they don’t even know the timeline themselves. They don’t care
Im pretty sure they said it takes place far ahead in the future. The events of the two games alone span tens of thousands of years just in that one Hyrule How much has passed since the latest game before BOTW is up in the air. But it does leave room for more games to fit in-between.
@@adammorin2955 They do care but simply don't see it as a primary factor at the heart of the development process for a specific game. For Miyamoto (and later Aonuma and Fujibayashi) it's always been fun first, story second which is why every major installment in the franchise is written as a self contained narrative very similar in style to the Final Fantasy games and even the Mario games of all franchises. The lattest 2 games in the "Era of the Wild" are no difference with both games taking place thousands of years after all previous games to the point they don't matter to the events currently happening in these 2 games. They do care about the timeline but it's not something they have any intention to overemphasize above having fun playing a videogame.
Since ToTK was made because they thought some mechanics of BOTW should be their own game, I think ToTK is really more a sandbox combined with references. So you might be right. It does not even fit to the BoTW timeline. My favorite theory is still that ToTK caused a separate one by Zelda's time travel when she fell into the pit.
Now that you mentioned it, there actually has been many time skips in the timeline even alttp does this as well, especially considering what happens at the end of that game, and not to mention the Hyrule warriors series.
So I wouldn't be surprise if botw and totk take place in their own separate timeline, considering the fact that time has been manipulated on multiple occasions through out the zelda series.
Or the timeline was merged through hyrule warriors
Everyone goes back to their own times in HW @adammorin2955
@@mr.awesome6011 but the theory is that theres a timeline that there isn’t essentially merging all of them
The time skips have always been done on purpose by Nintendo so that the next major title they're working on can be its own seperate game completley detached from the ones that came before. Like with Final Fantasy all the Zelda games have always been developed as a singular, self contained adventure in order to emphasize gameplay and fun over story and narrative.
Hyrule Warriors is a stand-alone game and is in no way connected to the mainline games. Same goes for that BotW side game.
This could also explain why the secret stone, which brings out and amplifies one’s hidden potential, turned him into the Demon King. He could have been made aware of his connection to Demise’s curse or even the Demon tribe itself
He would have made mention of said memories if that had been the case especially considering his many _deaths_ across the 3 timelines which i'm pretty sure would have made him utterly pissed at the knowledge he's been defeated again and again and again for thousands of years with no end. Since he never shows any such signs of anger at the discovery of his many defeats/deaths it's very clear he was not in any way aware of his past incarnations.
@@javiervasquez625 “never shows any signs of anger”? He literally channeled his malice for thousands of years and managed to bring Hyrule to near destruction lol
@@shadowangel111 Not the same thing though since the guy was only pissed at Rauru beating him in his own game by keeping him locked for thousands of years hence him "leaking" Malice as a reaction to his imprisonment.
@@javiervasquez625 Alternatively, he could have been tortured with visions of defeat across timelines/realities during his time sealed underground, be they hallucinatory or episodes of dreamwalking like Doctor Strange and Scarlet Witch
@@shadowangel111 Yet once again we're forced to embrace the fact he never shows any signs of _knowing_ of any such experiences to suggest he did as he never either says or does anything which even alludes at him been aware of his past lives including his many deaths at the hands of previous Links.
HMK, I loved this video so much, I had to hit the like button!
Really pumped for the new resurgence of Zelda Theory content across YT. Always my favourite time when the ZTheory machine stirrs.
:3 gonna have a good sit down over a warm cup of Thonk Juice and digest your ideas Mr Killa!
Very cool premise. Will return to comment again, once I feel I have thoughts of my own to contribute! here.
1:49 “Once upon a time, time after time but not this time” that is so CLEAN!
Cool theory and makes. I forgot the descendants in Totk, had visions of the past. So why would that not be so for Ganondorf? Outside, taking the concept from a TP Manga of the hive mind. This is pretty solid.
The only real downer and as more time goes by, the lore and theories for TotK are not present as much cause it feels like the Zelda team doesn't care the story or lore to be sound anymore. Similar to the debate that open world, sacrifice narrative and real proper dungeons. The same can be said for the story, and lore took a back seat for the open world and boundless creativity with Ultrahand.
The reason why the Sages were able to get memories of the past was because the original Sages already had their Secret Stones which might have been able to _record_ their memories from the Imprisoning War. Since Ganondorf didn't have a "Sage predecessor" who also possessed a Secret Stone it would explain why he never says anything explicitly confirming his knowledge of his past incarnations.
I agree on Nintendo seemingly giving up on in depth story and narrative in order to focus on innovative gameplay and fun as shown with Ultrahand. Hopefully they'll reconsider backtracking to more gameplay-restrictive game design from past Zelda games to give players a more linear driven narrative for the next Zelda game.
There is another example of Ganondorf having knowledge between timelines.
In the twilight princess manga, as Ganondorf was chosen by the triforce, he sees how he was defeated in ocarina of time, and tries to prevent his next defeat too
Finally. A good Zelda theory. Been kinda dry lately. Really love this one
It's been a while since I last heard a theory video about TOTK's lore, since that game left me dissapointed and if the game vanishes tomorrow, I don't think anything of value would be lost.
But you did catched my attention when you said that BOTW and TOTK could take place in a new timeline forged after the ending of Skyward Sword. That was interesting.
I personally think there is a missing link (pun not intended) between all the timelines and botw as there is no physical triforce. Maybe the triforce united all the timelines but became a part of link, ganondorf and Zelda and their ancestors possibly. Idk though as there likely won’t be another game in the botw, age of calamity and totk hyrule.
Take a shot every time he says timeline
Timeline is in the title....
If I had to guess I don't think that Ganondorf has visions of alternate timelines, but at the very least placing TotK early in the Zelda timeline splitting off before OoT might actually be confirmed by Nintendo someday. It's also possible that all three timelines converged in ToTk in some weird way. And it's also possible that Nintendo simply rebooted the series. Either way, I hope that Nintendo answers these questions someday.
Interesting theory. I'd wondered about possible splits from SS and Minish Cap. Dragonbreak theory was the only other one I'd heard before now.
Well, in Japanese and other Languages he is referring to a Time before this Hyrule was founded, he said combat and war was like a daily routine and everyone was fighting to survive.
Remember the Shrines of Light's actual purpose?
They were meant to imprison the Demons. After Rauru and Sonia made the inhabitants of that Land of Hyrule into a Kingdom, they went out to fight and Bind Demons to the Shrines in order to prevent them from Respawning.
Rauru's goal was to make peace in the land so that even the weak can thrive without the fear of being eaten by a Gleeok or crushed by a Lynel.
As for Ganondorf, this "Dialogue" meant for us should show that Ganondorf's Thoughts on this, he thinks the World was meant to be nothing but chaos and darkness all the time because he basically gets more stimulation from ripping his enemies appart in combat than from "baby making" or other things.
Nice video
I think time in the Zelda universe is cyclical. Major events always repeat, and Tears of the Kingdom eventually leads to Skyward Sword. For a time, the time loop does split into three, but it always effectively reconverges when a Zelda from each timeline travels back to the events before Ocarina of Time. Her intervention there always results in that iteration of the loop's Downfall Timeline, where Sages imprison Ganondorf. Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom either take place in the loop before Skyward Sword as we know it, or the one after the ends of the original timelines.
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5:55 not only the continuity, but the 3D Zelda gameplay style too. Ganondorf would in essence by trying to reshape the Botw branch of the timeline into something similar to the others, and beating him would cement that this is its own separate continuity without completely disregarding the impact the previous games can have on it. Would’ve made this so meta.
It’s a great theory on gannondorf. I love it
It's kinda funny, I'm working on a fic that mentions (the ghost of) Downfall Ganon finding out about the Adult Timeline and using the secrets gleamed to launch another attack on Hyrule
NOW WAIT A MINUTE!!! We need to talk about the music at 4:20!! Where is that from?
It’s time for a N64 style Zelda in which the goal is to break Demise’s curse.
Why? Ganondorf IS the Curse
So, one of the things I wasn’t a big fan of prior to TotK releasing was the fourth timeline theory. Mainly because I just didn’t want another timeline split, but also because I felt it unnecessary. Just have it take place at the end of any timeline and it’s mostly fine. But at this point, knowing the history of this Hyrule and its beginnings, I’m fine with a fourth timeline. Although I don’t necessarily think it’s canon because of what Zelda says in BotW about the Master Sword and what it’s been through. Regardless of translation, past Zelda games are still mentioned.
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Excellent theory in my opinion
Definitely an interesting theory.
Huh, I actually thought that Tears of the Kingdom also revealed to that Ganondorf his connection to Demise as well as how things were in different timelines (Especially in his "Demon King" form)
That’s an interesting theory. But the Japanese texts provided more info about his desires to controll of all creation the Zonai has made by purifying the land of Hyrule with light.
Basically Ganondorf wants Hyrule to brought back to land roamed by demons, and only those with an encouraging fighting spirit are the once who will rule.
Instead of reshaping the world as it what meant to be and he will rule, here is what it said in the Japanese:
(1) “Deplorable… The land that should be filled with darkness overflows with detestable light. The flock of peace seeking cowards are rampant… There used to be a sense of more backbone… From now on, I will return this land to its proper form. The world is ruled by me, determined by me… because I am the king. Pay attention… This is the rebirth of the true king. The beginning of this world!”
(2) “I… rule over all things… I will become an omnipotent king!! I will not acknowledge… one mere human! I no longer need myself [ego] or my body! I will take all of you to hell! I will end the world in eternal darkness!!”
Thanks.
This just shows how badly affecting a mediocre, liberal localization can be for the lore.
the localized version hits harder
@@mangounit9678 No the Japanese version is way better than you think
@@a.jthomas6132 i personally got chills listening to the english version but this felt like it was just saying the same thing in 9 different ways. so in my opinion, yeah, the localized version hits harder
I don't think the Tears are derived from the Triforces, but rather the other way round. The Tears are weaker than the three Triforces, but they are adaptive, their domain representing the attribute latent or predominant within the bearer, whereas the Triforces are locked to their respective powers: Power, Wisdom and Courage. Just as it takes three Triforces combined to grand a wish for a greater miracle that is able to rewrite reality, three Tear bearers can unite their power to perform a minor miracle.
Since the Great Dragons once were Zonai, who have swallowed their tear, as TotK has strongly alluded to, and upon becoming Dragons, they gain extra power, immortality but also become completely disconnected from the mortal world (and their mortal identity and thoughts), and with the often stated connection of the Zonai to the Gods, there is a theory that those Great Dragons might be the Three Goddesses. I don't remember who proposed this theory (it is not of my origin), but if it can be taken as true, then this might potentially mean that the Triforces are the crystalisation of a Tear melded with a person's inner quality.
We know for a fact that when someone eats their Tear, they become a Dragon. If the theory is true that the three Great Dragons are the Goddesses, this would mean, when someone is turned into a Dragon due to eating a Tear, they would leave behind a Triforce upon leaving the world and ascending (as stated in OoT). This Triforce would be the result of a Tear merging irrecoverably with the person's inner quality and chrystalising. This would explain the absense of a fourth Triforce, since Hylia never left the world to ascend. It also would explain why Gods can't use the Triforce (the reason Hylia had to become mortal), they gave up their connection to their inner quality and forfeited their mortality. This also would mean that when Zelda became a dragon, there should have been a Triforce of Time left behind at the location where she ascended from. I know, there are too many facts that disprove the theory (Hylia was a goddess and had to become mortal in order to use the Triforce; the absense of a new Triforce at the spot where Zelda became a dragon and ascended, etc...), but it is still something worth contemplating.
What are you talking about? Ganondorf never conquered anything in the adult timeline or in Twilight Princess of the child timeline.
2:58 So in other words, Hyrule Warriors where if memory serves me right, another version or Ganon (or was it like some female version of him or something) had essentially crashed the timelines into each other.
It was a male Ganon using a female guardian of time.
Skyward Sword is clearly an Elder Scrolls style Dragonbreak.
Something to point out: if that be true; then wouldn't he have recognized Zelda after he gained the secret stone, before he was sealed? His guess on the hero, was based on information that he was told by Hyrule's king, who had been told some pieces of it by Zelda. It's literally the counter argument Rauru made when Ganondorf called his sealing attempt pointless and that it was inevitable for him to break free and resume his conquest: "Years from now, someone will come with the sword that seals the darkness. That person will have the power to defeat you: Link! Remember... this name."
Analyze more of the plotlines before making concrete theories. It is intriguing that there be a possible 4th timeline, split from the results of the first zelda with time shenanigans (skyward sword), but some of what you said has conflict with what was shown in game.
What I am more curious is how did learned such vital magic such as the Gloom? That is something I had been wondering for awhile. I have a hunch it might of Kotake and Koume that his surrogate mothers learned from the demon tribe.
The evil energy that was once part of Demise as seen in Skyward Sword. TOTK Ganondorf with Zonai Sacred Stone is basically Demise Incarnate.
@@mr.awesome6011 Actually TotK Ganondorf with the Zonai Secret Stone is in fact _more powerful_ than Demise incarnate as his very spirit which already carried the Demon Tribe's hatred for the God Tribe was enhanced by the magic of Sonia's Secret Stones boosting his already existing power into gargantuan levels and leading to the creation of his Gloom (Miasma in Japan) which he used to corrupt the entire kingdom of Hyrule.
BOTW/TOTK as a branch from Skyward Sword makes more sense to me. I much rather prefer this theory, it's not one that's talked about much but it resolves a lot more loopholes compared to the other timeline theories. Also it means that there's only been one true Ganondorf. In a similar vein, one could say the Minish Cap trilogy is also a branched timeline since the games & lore are so inconsistent with the rest of the series.
damn, been a minute since I heard a Zelda theory, while it's interesting I don't think that TOTK Ganondorf actually understands there are multiple universes with different events and I don't think that Nintendo actually cares about the Manga continuity.
Also, I want to know about who else is trying to keep up with the continuity anymore since TOTK was Nintendo telling us they don't care about the timeline anymore and don't want to make Zelda games like they used to, like BOTW and TOTK aren't even apart of the timeline anymore and even if we try to make it fit it ends up being so convoluted that it doesn't really matter anymore so my interest has started to die out and the only way they could keep my interest is if they doubled back to the old timeline or made new lore and expanded the BOTW and TOTK world like having this Link go to a new land instead of Hyrule 3.0, sorry if I'm rambling but I just find it hard to like this series as much as I used to so maybe I just need go back to my roots along with trying to enjoy TOTK on it's own merits even though I think there was a lot of missed potential.
The issue is that BOTW and TOTK only really have ties to Skyward Sword of all games. Which makes sense since it's the same director. The issue is when I say those two games only connect to SS, I mean ONLY it. They do no connect to each other even as well. It's so messy how they've handled these games. The Imprisoning War seems to obviously be a reference to the one after OOT, but the reason everyone ignores that is just how blatantly it ignores any bit of consistency to that event, as much as it ignores every other game too.
that boy reaching farther than kid buu on elder kai planet vs goku and vegeta. however i wish this was true. That would mean ganondorf has a back up plan.
PART of your Theory is Definatly correct! But not all of it. I also noticced the line where Ganondorf mention the secret stones imparting knowledge so he defaintly know some things. But Ganondorf can't know everything because in both the begining and the end of the game Ganondorf expresses disapointment with Link not being the worthy opponet that he was looking foward to. So Ganondorf was expecting Link to be very different. Ganondorf could be lying and playing mind games but that is just speculation. I defiantly see the connection though I thought the line "I will crush any who oppose me, I will rule, that is what a king must do" was a really generic villian line but it is much deeper if he had at least some visions of his other lives and knows that it is his destiny to "make the world as it was meant to be". One other interesting take on this though is that the Secret Stone clearly gave him a bigger connection to his original Demise form so that could be the memories he got the most of. We still don't know why Demise hated the gods so much but an interesting theory is that since the story decribes the 3 golden goddesses decending down to a world of chaos and making it as it is now. What if that "chaos" was Demise's home and the "monsters" were happy with the way things were until the goddesses decedied they were not good enough then burried them in the Depths and built the world of light on top. That would explain why Demise emerged from a fissiure in the ground. It would also explain why Ganondorf seems to abandon the Gerudo becuase with the memories of Demise he knows he is not truely one of them he is one of the Monsters.
This is a cool theory that adds much needed depth to this incarnation of Ganondorf. It's shame that the English translation of the game convolutes Ganondorf's motivation from the Japanese.
Here's hoping the secret stones return in another Zelda game with the triforce. Just imagine Ganondorf having his reinforce of power with a secret stone even Link getting to attach secret stone to the master sword for an epic boss battle against Ganondorf.
Honestly this theory makes a lot of sense
ok but it doesn't make sense that he's there that early in story.
I think Nintendo is clumsily trying to make sense of a storyline they destroyed beyond repair with Wind Waker and Twilight Princess by contradicting their own lore.
Wait, hold on, you do Zelda videos?
I think you're on to here but needs to be more fleshed out
So imagine instead of link between worlds, link between dimensions ;-p
Nice theory but I'm sure you're taking his quote of "Will reshape this world as it's meant to be" a bit too seriously. I think he's just talking about this kingdom not all timelines.
However since you're a theorist I let you cook anyways.
I think the timelines merged into a mixed timeline, but a reshuffle makes just as much sense.
Nintendo needs to make a sequel to Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity to tie up loose ends TOTK left us.
Age of calamity is a different timeline from botw and tears of the kingdom
Age of Upheaval
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Alll he wanted was to bri g oot world back 😂
Hyrule Gamer and several other people are saying the same thing as HMK.
I think you're right
Officially? These games are just in the downfall timeline.
Realistically due to Nintendo's lack of care for consistency? There should just be four separate universes. One that goes from OOT to Zelda 2 (OG Timeline), the one that has OOT split into WW and TP (Split Timeline), the one that is Minish Cap, FS, and FSA (Vaati Timeline/Capcom Timeline), and the one that is SS, BOTW, and TOTK (Fujibayashi Timeline).
What if I told you i've just seen a video that UNIFIES the timeline perfectly: ruclips.net/video/6XSw_igUuhU/видео.html
somehow Nintendo confused themselves when the answers were in their face the whole time
Honestly still sort of think Dragon-Break Theory may still be the most clean solution rather than a yet 4th timeline split. And this theory sort of can further that the Secret Stones and Zelda's TOTK Time travel incident are what unify it.
An immense amount of time passes in all 3 timelines, so much so versions of every game's events happen in each. Eventually leading to the emergence of the Zonai and whatever event resulted in the creation of the Secret Stones and the "Golden Power" passed down in the Royal Family.
By the time Zelda time-travels back to the era of the Zonai using the Time-secret Stone she awakened. She causes a Dragon-Break like event, said event causing all 3 timelines to unify due to the temporal distortion (The event splitting them in the first place being OOT Zelda sending link back in time also being a thing of note).
Gannondorf in the case here, gets a flashback *from his previous selves* which because the timeline is unified now. Impart all their knowledge to him and calls back to the concept of the Triforce/Secret Stones imparting knowledge beyond one's own timeline scope.
Now, teeechnically TOTK has to be a few timelines "Deep" into it's own events for the Zelda-> Light Dragon "Long Way around" loop to work. but that's a separate issue. (There had to of been a timeline without a Zelda in the past first, then a Zelda who arrived and did things in the past "first", then one final timeline where Present-Zelda lived in the timeline where there was a version of her in the Zonai-era in order for the events in TOTK to work out)
This brings back the possibility of the Dragonbreak theory and truly makes me think MatPat might've been onto something cuz of what it gave us: an explanation to why the Era of the Wild gives shoutouts to all 3 timelines. Also, what did we get in the intervening wait time for TotK? A "what if" scenario in the form of AoC which depicts a different branch of events before Ganon's malice could fully manifest itself and cause destruction across Hyrule
Fun story, but this is more fanfiction than a theory. It was never stated that a secret stone has the ability to grant visions of other timelines and/or realities. Already breaks the theory.
You Literally are missing the point of what a Theory is then
I think hmk means if you watch the video the theory is that the sacred stones are like the triforce or made by the triforce or whatever. In the manga the triforce has shown that it shows alternate, universes dimensions, timelines etc
@HMK A theory is the first step in solving a problem, using given facts, past (proven) experiences, and evidence. Then, there is a test and further experiments to prove the theory is correct or not.
So, to put it in short: there is a real problem/ mystery -> made up theory based on experiences and facts -> test if theory is correct or not.
In the case of this video, not just some facts are made up or not part of the canon, but even the problem itself is made up and not based on reality (Zelda-World reality).
If Ganondorf was to have visions from the secret stone, he should have seen Link too, no? But Ganondorf clearly doesn't know who Link is in TotK. He hears his name from Rauru for the first time. You are just ignoring a fact. And the point about secret stones having the same abilities as the Triforce is also an unproven theory of yours.
By including your own untested theories in new ones, they drift away from being reasonable more and more, reaching the territory of fiction.
I for myself enjoy theories grounded in actual canon and facts found in the games and just the games. I would rather have a small mystery to be solved with a theory just based on information that is given to us.
With a solution so unshakable because it's highly likely to be true.
Instead of a huge, crazy problem trying to be solved by a theory whose first argument is already questionable.
This is more of a conjecture than a theory.
A conjecture is: an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.
I understand that you guys (Zelda-Tubers) need to make content and you obviously can't wait for the next games to come out, to feed you with new mysteries the fans want to know more about, but as a RUclipsr with many followers, I also think that you guys have an educational role. Theories are good to teach critical thinking, problem solving and clear argumenting. But you show people that you can make up your own facts, which will make them lose themselves in horribly monitored and not solution-oriented discussions.
True, it feels more like copium to make TotK's subpar Ganondorf/ story appear deeper.
@@RyuuToon Beautifully said.
totks story was the worst in any zelda game
The Zelda timeline is garbage. It’s way better to think of it as multiverse. They don’t fit together half as well as the hystoria depicts, and half of it is based on a colored brim of Link’s hat, which originally was just to show the border between his hat and face in poor graphics. I’ve played every single Zelda including CDi. The timeline is just a gen Z fetish for giving every blade of grass extended lore. To this day I don’t understand the fascination with giving every little aspect a lore. Why can doom guy just be a guy who hates demons and is great with firearms? Why can’t Zelda be a timeless story of adventure and good triumphant over evil?
The triforce didnt matter in the last two games, worst in series.
I've believed for a while now that Demise's curse gave Ganondorf some vague awareness of his memories from other timelines. Fi mentions that Demise "has conquered time and space", implying he exists outside of time's constraints, so why shouldn't his curse ignore time as well?
In the japanese version of Skyward Sword Demise never "cursed" Link and Zelda/Hylia with an incarnation of his hatred but rather _warned_ Link about future beings who would embody the hatred of the Demon Tribe towards the gods of the Zelda pantheon. According to the accurate translation of Fi's description of Demise in the japanese version of Skyward Sword:
_"The name of the targeted object is "Tyrannical Being"._
_A totally overwhelming existence which has overcome Time itself and is the origin of the ever-so-present "Demons". It is said that its form varies according to the era and the one who witnesses it."_
She never states that he's conquered Time itself but simply that he "overcame it" which could mean anything from him been impervious to natural death due to his immortal nature as a demon or simply a very ancient and extremely long lived demon who's lifespan already extended for possibly thousands of years hence Fi's suggestion of him having overcome Time itself. As stated above there is NO CURSE in the japanese version of Skyward Sword with Demise only warning Link of future incarnations of the Demon Tribe's hatred meaning there's no reason to suggest all incarnations of Ganondorf across the timeline are able to recall the memories from each one of their previous incarnations.
@@javiervasquez625 I've had a very long day and don't feel like reading that but still feel obligated to commend you for typing it all.