I just see it as whoever shoots first wins. Thanos never came across as someone that instantly shoots first. Plus if there’s anything that can one shot thanos, it would be an infinity stone.
Thanos, while powerful, is a talker. There isn’t a single instance where he takes a stone without going into a long drawn out discussion of what he’s doing and why. Ultron didn’t give him a chance to open his mouth and, therefore, won.
Not only that but Ultron lack mercy. While Vision would have tried to restrain thanos over killing him, Ultron lacks that same level of humanity allowing him to kill without a second guess. Besides he just obliterated the entire earth, it makes sense he would instantly target anyone that may have survived.
Ultron has a gun. Thanos has 5 guns. Thanos is distracted, confident, and otherwise not ready for a firefight right out of the portal, so Ultron just shot from the hip and collected 5 more guns
You're assuming it makes sense that the Mind Stone can emit a beam powerful enough to kill Thanos, like a bullet with a human. Which is a completely unwarranted assumption.
@@SublineYT Why is it unwarranted? He can get cut by man-made metal. I think it's fair to assume the stone can manage. It looked like Thanos was still reeling from sacrificing Gamora.
@@Volcatious Yes but in the MCU Thanos is shown to be EXTREMELY physically resilient. Saying "Oh he just wasn't thinking about it" doesn't really change the fact that a mind stone beam would've never killed MCU Thanos, it just means that the initial attack from Ultron landed. But if I hit a pro wrestler with something like a pan, their mindset doesn't change the fact that I can't knock them out regardless of how distracted they are. And saying Thanos can get "cut" by man-made metal is a bit of a stretch, because we've already seen how much work goes into just a drop of this guy's blood.
I would’ve preferred if Ultron was motivated by the mindstone to hunt the infinity stones down and gets them all before Thanos, who faces Infinity Ultron instead but still gets killed instantly
Ultron need only to have acquired the time stone first and it would have been fine. Power over time has been repeatedly demonstrated to be quite important in the MCU. It didn't make a lot of sense for Thanos to have already acquired the time stone if Ultron knocked out the Avengers. I suppose we are meant to believe that the Children of Thanos came to earth and took Dr. Strange to Titan without Ultron having any interest in intervening.
@@bdonovable you gotta remember this was during AOU where Dr Strange hasn’t become the sorcerer supreme yet. The Ancient one would’ve had the time stone at this time.
I like to think that it was following a story where Ultron won, and thus any scenario where Ultron didn't immediately slice a careless, overconfident Thanos in half resulted in Thanos winning, so we weren't shown a fight of any sort.
Yup, Exactly they showed us the .00001% in which Ultron won. Had Thanos came in there swinging Infinity Stones full power around he would have clapped Ultron
People are forgetting that Thanos won in over 14 million possible future timelines and in only 1 did he not win, according to what Doctor Strange could see. There were many millions more he didn't see.
@@XLR8Games Ultron is strong, even destroying the body of Vision may not have killed him. Thanos may win in the short run, but if he does delete the stones and ultron comes back, I don't see ultron losing again. (assuming thanos fails to kill him properly)
@@speedy01247 well if Ultron survives he'd plan out in detail how to win against Thanos. So unless Thanos knows how to hack he wouldn't be able to permanently destroy Ultron.
I'd contend that one thing Thanos relies on is that others are often intimidated by his mere presence. Almost every time we've seen him those around him just kind of stand in awe for a moment, which lets him select and use one of the infinity stones to its best effect. The one time that doesn't happen is when Thor plants Stormbreaker right in his chest; which gives Thanos just enough time to follow through with his plan. Which shows that he can be taken off guard easily by people who don't hesitate. In this case, Ultron just doesn't care. There's no "Oh no! Mr. Big Baddie is here! What should I do?" He sees and enemy. He cuts an enemy in half. And most importantly: he goes for the head.
"The one time that doesn't happen is when Thor plants Stormbreaker right in his chest" The key point there is Stormbreaker. A weapon capable of tanking an energy beam from not one but 6 infinity stones at once and still following through to the impact. The mind stone alone was never shown to be that effective as a weapon.
Technically he went for the crotch first... Kind of a war crime imo but ended with the head so it all works out. Dude started with a head n ended with a head. 100% a legend
@@mnomadvfx Every individual stone are highly effective weapons in their own ways, they're that powerful. You must've never read the comics, because the mind stone has a ton of OP abilities that was never even shown in the movies.
It kinda does make sense that in that universe he might not be as on guard. I mean, without the Avengers in effect he would have just picked up the 5 stones with little opposition and thus be super confident in addition to having the confidence of having 5 stones to 1.
@@evertchin He was thinking of what to say since he didn't have anything prepared assuming everyone was just dead. (I mean Ultron doesn't give off life signs so it makes some sense that thanos would be caught off guard)
@@speedy01247 makes no sense. He is THE tactical genius of the known galaxy, conqueror or hundreds if not thousands of planets. literally acquired all but 1 of the stones. And HE was caught off guard? Nah dawg lazy ass writing. I’d accept if there was an actual fight and ultron won but there wasn’t.
@@daltonbuchholz5061 In other words, it isn't lazy writing, your just mad it wasn't cool enough. I don't see you bitching and moaning about how the avengers lucked out on all their scenarios where they are supposed to lose, specifically in endgame to be exact. Not to mention every trait you mentioned for Thanos, Ultron is infinite of that since he is literally created from the fucking mind stone. Vision has a hard time using it because he is not created from the mind stone so therefore he doesn't have a pure connection to it. So unlike Vision, Ultron can shoot larger, more powerful concentrated beams without struggling or making weird faces that Vision does when he shoots his beams, because it is his to use alone as a sentient being created from that source of power. You think Ultron built that body in Age of Ultron so that some enemy can just take control or use it easily? Its too complex, not even Vision understands the stone itself and even stated this in Civil War. Also Thanos at the end of the day is an organic being that is limited by emotions and has to use a gauntlet made out of Uru to take the strain of the infinity stones, unlike Ultron who doesn't need anything at all since, once again, hes made from the primary infinity stone (the mind stone).
Vision's beam in the main timeline couldn't cut through Vibranium. But Ultron's beam in that episode melted through Uru (stronger metal). And the finale said the Infinity stones are different depending on the universe so that mindstone is simply more powerful
@@lxxdccvii3740 Anthony Russo was asked in an interview what kind of material Thanos' sword was of that could cut through Howard Stark's donated Shield, he left it open ended without directly answering but did say it could potentially be Uru by the Eitri the Dwarf who made the Uru based infinity Gauntlet
@@2drealms196 But that doesn't necessarily mean uru is stronger than vibranium. The reason his sowrd cut through Cap's shield was probably because of the force put onto it, and because it was a sharp edge.
@@NHRB-hq2xw Hardness of a material relates to its yield strength - the stress it can sustain without deformation. Push a "soft" material with a sharpened point into a "harder" material, and the tip will go blunt because the soft material deforms. This is why diamond powder is often used to coat grinding wheels etc - the diamond has very high hardness and doesn't go blunt under normal circumstances. Of course it is just carbon, and when heated sufficiently it will undergo chemical reactions - so even with diamond you have to watch the cutting speed to prevent the tip from getting too hot and going blunt.
Vision is not Ultron. Ultron created the body+he was created *from* the mind stone, so he has more knowledge over the stone and its powers. Vision, however, did not know how to efficiently use his body.
I only have one theory why Thanos got killed so easily and that is, when he entered earth and saw the destruction of everything, it made him confused raising question through his thoughts and that may have caught him off guard and unprepared for what was going to happen. Unexpectedly, he came alone without and army in his back or even his elites, he wasn't even wearing his armor, meaning he was just going to scout earth, and may have just prepared some small script to play out for whose ever he will encounter. He was prepared to make war with earth but he was overly confident and was took by surprised for that glimpse of second where his confusion mixed up with the thoughts of a full invasion, meaning he had a plan but he stuttered for a glimpse of second, unlike Ultron, he was curious but he was still on his guard and still have the mission in his system to eliminate life that could threaten peace, and it only took him milliseconds to process all that.... ~my opinion for that episode is "I really liked that scene, it reminds me of a highschool graduate entering college"...That's all, hope for the best for season 2
Plus if you remember in infinity war, every time Thanos collected a infinity stone, the mind stone warned vision. Vision even said "he's here" right before Thanos portals into Wakanda.
A irl answer would be that they only had 30 minutes for the entire episode and it would've been a waste in the perspective of the story boarders and animators to dedicate any time between 2-10 minutes to a fight that didn't further the plot besides fanservice. So, they just decided to go with shock value and how Ultron utterly fold the purple nut sec titan like he was a Mortal Kombat character.
@@cmike123 eh this is a comic book movie series where there are people dodging light speed attacks I wouldn't say ultron has greater reaction time but thanos was just surprised.
@@infinitytimer6245 I would say reaction, but I can agree with you. When "kill anything that moves" meets "assess before you shoot" the former tends to win.
When I watched the episode I just kind of thought it was because Vision actually had a conscience and did not use his abilities to their full potential due to a want to help rather than harm. Ultron however just wasnt like that and therefore didnt hold back at all.
With the mind stone, Ultron can stun Thanos's mind for just an instant to prevent any defense. Then slice him in two. This is a good argument for how the mind stone is the most powerful of the stones. The stones require a mind to wield them - it's their main weakness. If Thanos had only used the time stone to look forward like Dr. Strange did, he could have prevented the 1 in 14 million event from happening.
The thanos that won had no reason to use the time stone. First he probably wouldn’t have had the first since he didn’t see doctor strange use it, and I doubt he was that skilled with it to do much else but reverse time. Second even if he did I doubt he would use it seeing as at that point nobody could’ve stopped him. And 2014 thanos, along with the reasons I jsut mentioned, had no time (pun intended) to look through the futures to see how he would win. He was basically getting jumped by everyone and everything around him
@@wadoland0159 I mean after Thanos snapped in the main universe, he could have looked into the future just like Dr Strange did. But he didn't. Thanos failed not because of the power of the stones, but because of his own limitations.
I’d like to note here that, contrary to your point, the 1 in 14 million chance was the timeline in which the events played out exactly the way they did. This means that, in other universes, there were Thanos’ that used it and won because of it
The Infinity Stones make you powerful, not indestructible or invincible. Clearly you have to actively think about using them for the stones to activate and do what you want them to do. Faster the mind, the better the stones work. Since “UltraVision” is the most advanced AI on Earth and augmented with the Mind Stone, it’s not a stretch to believe that he can compute and analyze a situation damn near infinitely faster than practically any organic being and remedy the situation. Plus Thanos seemed to be basking in his own glow as he feels he’s about to secure ultimate victory. Which gives UltraVision more than enough time to kill him. I don’t care how polished of a combatant you are, if you don’t see the “one hitter quitter” coming, it’s a wrap.
They make u pretty damn near invincible. And while yes not completely but c’maawwn. A guy w/ 5 stones vs. a guy w/ 1 isnt a forgone conclusion but the guy w/ 5 aint goin’ out like no punk. Thanos DEFINITELY went out like a punk.
@@W33ND3X_W1LCOX talking about your physical body. Stark made him bleed with 4 stones in his possession. Thor damn near killed him when he had all six. For a flesh and blood being, you have to literally think about your action, then physically perform it and the stones will act. For an A.I. with a supercomputer brain, augmented by the Mind stone itself, he’s calculating at a rate we can’t fathom. You saw Thanos use the stones to try to push through Wanda’s attack. He didn’t just stand there and take the hit. It’s like a manual car vs automatic. You physically will not be able to shift gears faster than that computer.
My take is the same as Pitch Meetings. "How was Vision able to kill Thanos so easily?" "Because that's what I put in the script." "But..." "So then the story can happen." "Fair enough."
I interpreted it as a few things going on but the part that made me believe it is that Ultron is not Vision. While in that scene he might look like vision and even have the same physical capabilities, they don't approach situations the same way. As opposed to the noble and philosophical manner in which vision exists, Ultron doesn't give a damn. Within a brief moment of seeing Thanos, Ultron does two simple things, at what I imagine was lightning speed. Observe this being is from another world. Check. Observe this being has objects quite similar to the Mind Stone. Check. Then he kills him without a second though. Doesn't even bother to wonder who that is or what he wants. He doesn't question why Thanos has come because it is irrelevant. Ultron mentally ticked to check boxes about observing a life form and then just killed him.
No, Ultron is not Vision. But Vision's body is still exactly the same. The mind stone is simply nowhere near as destructive as the power stone. Maybe Ultron could have done that with the power stone, but even then I would doubt it.
Ultron is an AI. He'd instantly run a "Threat" on him and determine "Hes currently in possession of X number of stones" and would basically say "Danger imminent" and react instantly lol.
Ultron just caught Thanos off guard, he wasn’t expecting Ultron to cut him in half and he probably didn’t notice that Ultron possessed the Mind Stone since he looked at him for like a second or two.
@@taninmoores4943 in the MCU, he always sent Glaive to attack Vision first in able to hamper his connection to the Mind Stone. In this universe, he didn’t think it was necessary. He already had 5 stones. Most importantly, he had the Time Stone, which heavily implies he’s already been to another part of Earth to pick it up. Either by beating Dr. Strange/the Ancient One or by finding it in the rubble of the nuclear wasteland, Thanos already witnessed the destruction of Earth and obtained the Time Stone presumably easily. Why would he need to worry about the Mind Stone? It could just be on another corpse, somewhere in the rubble, or in the possession of someone who stands no chance against 5 Infinity Stones. That unknown factor is what led to his death, teleporting straight to Ultron and expecting to win. No tactical plan involving Glaive, just teleporting right in front of him and expecting to either talk it out or beat it out of him
@@e3vL1 A 30s fight showing Ultron beating Thanos in a realistic manner (ie, no use of Idiot Balls) would have been satisfying. It's their streaming service, they have room to vary the length of the show.
@@shadowcatcherfox5186 If Ultron and Thanos fought Thanos would win, a wielder of 5 Infinity Stones would always win against a wielder of one. All of the factors that got Thanos killed here would be shoved out the window as soon as Ultron loses the element of surprise.
You know there's still one eety bitty teeny tiny little issue I had with this particular episode.... How the hell did Thanos manage to get the Soul Stone if Gamora was literally *seen* alive in the next few shots during Ultron-Vision's crusade across the galaxy?
@@Draconicus702 yeah thats what messed me up rhe most about the movies. like vision is a living Infinity stone who should also be one of the smartest beings in The universe being a mixture of Ai and Tony stark. He was absolutely neutered during the infinity war saga
I think it's Thanos' overconfidence and simple reaction time walking through the portal that led to his death. Ultron's instant reaction was just like a computer while Thanos' was like any other biological entity: He has to process the situation and react. Ultron analyzed the situation and provided a solution the way an advanced machine would. To survive, Thanos would have had to walk through the portal with his most powerful defense up ahead of time.
It's simple. By this stage, Thanos had ditched his armour and gone into "spiritual" mode. In this universe, Asgard and the sorcerers have been defeated, as the time and space stones were already in Thanos' possession, Odin is most likely dead as in the standard MCU universe, Hela had probably succumbed to Surtur and Ragnarok, and Thanos wasn't anticipating any significant resistance. Ultron killed Thanos in exactly same way Thor would have killed him in the main MCU if he'd "gone for the head". Just as Thanos in his arrogance wasn't prepared for Stormbreaker, so too was he ill prepared for a genocidal android with the mind stone. Ultron, without a score to settle, went straight for the kill shot. MCU Vision was too wrapped up in preventing violence and avoiding the fight, that he didn't even consider he'd have the power to kill Thanos outright. Vision was simply too slow on the draw.
I guess in this certain scenario the explanation is simple. Simply because Ultron killed all the avengers Thanos doesn't have to fight with anyone for those infinity stones, so once he arrived at that moment on Earth he wasn't expecting any resistance. This is why he didn't attack Ultron straight away, and this is why Ultron was able to kill so quick.
He would have had to fight the Ancient One for the time stone (realistically, Ultron should have had the Time Stone already, but I guess, theoritically, The Ancient One could have hidden in the Mirror Realm or something with it, since she can see the future and would know of Ultron killing all life on Earth). He also would have had to fought Hela for the Space Stone. He also also would have still been fresh from killing Gamora for the soul stone, and should still be distraught over that. Him being "overconfident" is still just an excuse for lazy writing.
I don't think it is laxy writing. How Thanos was killed wasn't important to the story and didn't need to be expanded on with the short run time of the episode. Seems simple. Ultron was quick on the draw. He saw a threat, he killed the threat. Thanos was slow to react and probably figured he couldn't be killed easily. When Vision and Thanos fought, Vision was badly injured. Plus Vision had a respect for life. Those two things combined likely meant he couldn't/wouldn't just kill Thanos as a first resort.
And Thanos didn't bother so find out what/who killed all the Avengers and whole humanity at large first ? In Infinity War Thanos didn't just dropped in blindly, he first send his cabal (or whatever they are called) and they served as his scout party.
@@WiGgYof09 it's like how zod would probably just vaporize Batman, instead of wasting time with him or giving him a chance to react. Ultron won because he stoped monologing .
I just don’t like it because Thanos has a very strong body and vision has never shown that his blast can destroy any substance. He’s stronger than the hulk for gods sake.
"Didn't check where he was going in advance and he was a little ill-prepared." Sounds exactly like the kind of person who would have been able to retrieve four infinity stones by himself. I didn't see anything particularly revealing by that description at all. It just sounds like "it's an alternate universe so stuff's different." He could have said, for example, that it was at least partially because they tried to sever his connection to the mind stone in the early stage of the battle, but it was a low-effort response. Of course that also wouldn't explain why he didn't use that beam prior to this movie.
My theory (this theory is valid because it's one of infinite possible outcomes) is that after knowing that Earth is now in ruins, Thanos wanted to either make Ultron an underling or completely crush him to complete his rainbow rock collection. And he was so confident of his 5 stones over Ultron's one single stone that he just forgot to check the time stone if he would even fail. The moment Ultron saw Thanos and the 5 stones, his super-duper-giga fast AI had already done the calculation of what action to make, and the ruthless machine just did what he did with no hesitation. If only Thanos had used the time stone though, there would actually have been a fight going on and maybe Thanos would have won.
Vision: “I am on the side of Life, Ultron isn’t. He will end it all.” Yeah Ultron has that Killer Instinct while Vision doesn’t. Also the best chance against Thanos is the definitely the first strike since he’s usually up for talking before fighting. Ultron took his chance pretty fast against Thanos.
I agree I think vision didnt kill him because he values ALL life, he knows his potential but wont use it in a undisciplined way, while Ultron would go to whatever length he needs to achieve his goal, jumping thanos right as he comes of the portal was the "logical" decision, as well as ultron having access to the mind stone giving him knowledge about the other stones
I would have loved to see a Ultron fight with Thanos. I know Thanos will most likely win because he has 5 of the infinity stones. However, i honestly think that Thanos could easily defeat Ultron even without the infinity stones. Look at what he did to Vision's head when he pulled the Mind stone out of him. Thanos wasnt even using the infinity stones to do that. He did it with just his fingers.
Ultron had one goal which is Eliminating all life. After he wiped all life on Earth, seeing Thanos alive fascinates him. He is basically a computer decides quickly than Thanos and ends up cutting Thanos in half.
Really, it shouldn't fascinate him. He has access to all of Shield's databases, so he should have known about Thor being not from Earth (possibly even Captain Marvel, but maybe not, since everyone but Fury seems to just not know who she is), and have already been looking out life on other planets.
@@KaseyC. Yes, you have a valid point. If he realised Thor was from Asgard, then he should have an idea about Nine Realms and Life outside our Earth. But there is no SHIELD in Age of Ultron. SHIELD was infiltrated by Hydra and it was terminated (I don't remember) in Captain America: Winter Soldier.
@@KaseyC. I think the fascination was with the other Infinity Stones, (and likely the connection to the one in his noggin) He likely knew about them thru various databases/the Mind Stone itself- but seeing them all gathered in front if him, "feeling" the connection between them- that's where how I interpreted the "fascinating" part.
I like how the mind stone is only ever used to make an energy beam. When it was in loki's sceptre it was used for actual mind control but when it's in its pure form it doesn't do that for some reason. I also don't think the soul stone was ever actually used once, which is disappointing since its my favourite and the way that you acquire it is really cool.
I think its true power is unlimited knowledge. Like how to create the beam (some kind of light/ plasma or chemical process), how to make visions organic vibranium body in the first place, accurately predict the future from probability, and defeat a being like thanos. While the stone has all this knowledge, to fully unlock it, it takes a body like vision's to use it and ultrons ai to process it.
I just don’t understand how a single beam would just slice Thanos in half like play doh when he’s basically an eternal with the power of 5 stones on top of that
The stones in the gauntlet don't do anything unless the gauntlet is activated so the latter point is moot as this Thanos did not react in time. As for the former...I'm not sure MCU Thanos even has that sort of background. He's just an incredibly durable guy, but if Stormbreaker can pierce his skin then it's not out of the question for a beam of infinity stone energy to do the same.
@@natchu96 you bring up some logical points. I can get behind most of what your saying. Storm breaker piercing Thanos is probably the best point you brought up. But the stones is the gauntlet absolutely makes your person stronger, that’s why Thanos dropped his armor after he had two stones, because he didn’t need it anymore. Also when you drop a stone in the gauntlet you can see the power not only surge through the gauntlet, but through every part of the users body as well.
@@peterparker9214 yeah I see your point but think about it some more.... His body surges with power not indestructible or harder skin. The reason he takes off his armor after receiving the second stone is plain old hubris! Not that the stones replace his armor but that his faith in himself being quick to respond and his body being incredibly resilient on it's own but in no way indestructible. Then add the fact he's got these powerful stoned making him one of the most powerful beings in the whole universe, at least according to Dr. Banner! So that's my take on it.
@@MrJonris30 I can agree with this!!! I would still argue that Thanos is insanely strong, and I don’t buy at face value that he can just be sliced in half like a butter knife through play doh. That’s just me know my friend 🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@natchu96 Not just Storm breaker, The Thor himself pushed it. THIR is badically a God and so strong.. We saw Thanos able to blocked any of the Avengers Attacked/their Powers like Captain Marvel, Dr Stranges, Iron Man, Scarlet witch etc
I don't mind MCU changing power levels from comics but this was jarring for anyone who is aware of the feats Thanos is capable of in the comics. Not only that, but within context of MCU and how powerful the stones are that even being able to wield them all is an astronomical feat of durability, seeing Thanos go out without so much as a whimper renders what happened in Infinity War and Endgame far less believable.
@@inteallsviktigt Yes but that means we're supposed to believe Thanos, who ripped the stone out of Vision/Ultron's perfect vibranium form with his bare hands and is durable to survive anything and everything the Avengers threw at him couldn't tank one blast from the mind stone? Even Ultron at the end of Age of Ultron, Ultron tanked a mind stone blast in conjunction with Tony's repulsors and Thor's lightning blast from mjolnir and survived but Thanos couldn't?
@@inteallsviktigt I’m pretty sure anyone hit by an ax forged for gods would be hurt, especially when it’s wielded by one. He was killed only because he was held down but either way like that guy said thanos in the movies is built up a certain way and especially in the comics he’s nearly unstoppable and suddenly they destroy this whole characters honor
@@inteallsviktigt let's just keep in mind that Storm Breaker was shown to be powerful enough to go through a beam from all 6 stones like it was butter, and yet Thanos still survived being hit by it.
This actually makes sense. Getting a jump on Thanos like that is so improbable that it happens in only one of the universes. Otherwise we would've had many more ultrons hopping universes. Then again this never really bothered me. What bothers me is that the infinity stones work out of their own universe (in the comics they only have power in their own universe, for those who didn't know). That's such a huge deal going forward that I believe it will bite the MCU writers in the behind later. It makes attaining power for multiversal characters stupidly easy, when they could just hop to another universe and get some infinity stones. Not to mention the TVA already has a ton of them that they can just take out to missions. Also I raise your infinity gauntlet with my set of 6 sets of infinity stones in my gauntlets and boots and helmet and crotch.
My personal theory (which is soley for the purpose of making sense of this multiversal mess before it is truely established) is that some universes are more alike than others and that stones from a universe that is closely related to another universe can be used in that universe. That, of course, doesn't explain why ultron was able to get into wherever the watcher inhabits, but nothing is perfect I guess.
the stones working out of their universes of origin was sort of necessary for anything in Endgame to work, really. That, and as seen with the Doctor Strange movie the MCU rendition of these chunks of magic rock can create the force/phenomenon they control in an environment devoid of it, in that case time. It does lead to some annoying consequences but the damage was essentially done ages ago.
@@natchu96 In Endgame the stones were always in the same universe though.... They were only back in time but in the same plane of existence not the multiverse!! So they didn't need this theory of stones working in different universes. They never left their own timeline they only traveled through it and any changes made would create a new TIMELINE not a UNIVERSE!! I know it's confusing to some so I understand the mistake in thinking so.
Idk. If I found out every single life on a planet has been massacred in an instant I would be extremely careful of the reason what made the inhabitants extinct in the first place
@@Zanoladab he was already on Earth judging by the fact he claimed the Time Stone. The fact his own home world was destroyed by overpopulation could have influenced his own perspective on Earth. He probably assumed Earth was another victim of the problem he sought to fix, and he was only one step away from not letting this happen to any other world.
@@Rexis102 if the time stone was on earth wouldn't Ultron have took it before thanos did?? There are too many questions that are open in what if?.. that we sadly may not get the answer to the most of them
@@Zanoladab I don’t think Ultron knew the Time Stone was on Earth. It was kept in the deepest part of the Ancient One’s Sanctum. Either that or it was in Strange’s Sanctum. Whatever’s the case, Ultron wouldn’t have any knowledge about it. He scoured the Internet but the Time Stone is a well guarded secret, most likely not mentioned on the Internet at all.
When you think about it, it's kinda funny how ultron winning has literally a one in infinity chance of happening. Since the multi-verse is essentially infinite, and it's infinite because of the infinite number of scenarios that can occur, and the fact that there was only one Ultron infinity, it's likely that this was the only scenario in the entire Multiverse which Ultron actually truly won by destroying all life, in his own universe at least.
I mean, we don't know if there's only one Ultron like this. This just seems to be the only one where he somehow managed to break out of his universe and into the other.
Ultron is known for his MIND. His possession of the MIND stone along with his instantaneous reaction time and mastery of the stone definitely is what caused his victory.
They could just take out the Ultron versus Captain Marvel fight. She got slapped by one stone, makes no sense for her to hold her own for even a moment against all 6.
@@tosourtobesweet6976 ??? Because the writers wanted it written this way so he didn't ??? lol, I'm not a fanboy, I just know the real Ultron doesn't stand a chance against the real Thanos.
It kinda makes sense. The laser beam is light speed and I doubt Thanos can react to light speed. And considering how Stormbreaker is capable of killing Thanos, then the Mind Stone would definitely be capable of killing him
nah this all bs, the mind stone in infinity war wasn’t powerful enough to blast through corvus glaves weapon. ain’t no way it could tear through thanos considering he has pretty durable skin
Saying Vision is inferior to ultron is idiotic. Vision was literally keeping ultron from accessing nuclear codes and wiping out all life for the entire movie. Which is why we even got the makeshift meteor plan. The fact that he can beat Ultron in a hacking war proves he's just as advanced. There's no reason he couldn't use the mind stone just as well, other then morality. The writers for What If just nerf characters like Thanos and iron man, because they've had their moment and the show is supposed to be a proving ground for secondary heroes/ villains. For that matter Thanos should've low diffed the black order in the star lord episode too. There's no bullshit " he was off guard" excuse for that he's just plain equal to one of them when I'm damn sure MCU Thanos could've pummeled 3-4 of them at once, if not the whole group with his bare hands
so basically, wanda could hold off thanos, who had 5 of the 6 infinity stones at the time, with just a fraction of the mind stone's power. Now considering how Ultron-vision handled thanos immediately, I think it is a lot more realistic than it seems, and the effect the mind stone itself has had in the mcu, it just makes sense that the mind stone is probably stronger than the rest of the infinity stones.
It's just strange to me that Ultron could use the mind stone to easily slice Thanos in half like that. Thanos' skin is even tougher than the Hulk's, so, to me it would require even more power than a single stone to dispatch The Mad Titan like that. Vision was damaged by attacking Thanos hedgemen Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight, so, I'll chalk that up as the reason he wasn't able to easily destroy them like Ultron did to Thanos. But I think that with Thanos not being human and such a powerful immortal alien being (An Eternal) with all 5 stones at his disposal, that he should have been able to put up some kind of defense against the sneak attack from Ultron. It just makes almost no sense to me that he was destroyed so quickly.
If they were like "let's fight to the end" after a 5 min long dialog, then Thanos would have won. But the entire thing took just about 2 seconds and clearly it's not enough time for Thanos to react. Fans upset because they only see movies where heroes and villains stop and talk before either one of them makes a move... I mean this is the exact same thing we were making memes about in the Multiverse of Madness. Blackbolt could have easily destroyed Wanda but "avengers" (illuminati) in that universe stood their grounds and talk...
Thanos: unprepared, ignorant, and overconfident Ultron: had complete and perfect understanding of his own assets and was extremely decisive It's that simple, it doesnt matter who had more infinity stones
While the director's concept makes with the infinite possibilities of the multiverse, it seems only one universe produced UltraVision. Otherwise, the Watcher would be in even MORE trouble.
It’s not just Ultron that had to win for this outcome, but also Thanos having to collect the stones, bring them to earth right in front of Ultron and lose. Theirs A LOT more variables to make that happen aside from just Ultron getting the Vision body.
Even if there are multiple Infinity Ultrons, actually i dont think they would team up at all... given that ultron even wanted to destroy the watcher who poses no threat to "peace".
Its just that in the other universes, the Watcher wasn't present. It was his presence that allowed Infinity Ultron to escape his universe which relies on something out with the universe. Since none of the others had a Watcher present it would never be possible for Infinity Ultron to realise there were many universes.
Not necessarily, Ultron only became aware because he heard the watcher, if watcher just kept his mouth shut, Ultron would have never become aware of the multiverse. There most likely are other Infinite Ultrons, but they are basically just sitting there, going even more insane, because they have nothing left to do because they never became aware.
The way I look at it is this - Ultron was simply out to destroy all life at this point. I think it makes sense that he would get the jump on Thanos because not only would Thanos greatly underestimate Ultrons power level as an adversary, but would also underestimate his willingness to just immediately kill on sight. I think Thanos was still the more powerful, but Ultron just got him immediately with a fatal sucker punch. If you're going up against someone who will kill you the second they lay eyes on you, then I'd say... good luck. Hahahaha.
If ultron’s purpose is to destroy all life, his AI would’ve wanted to immediately destroy thanos and wouldn’t have had to think about it because he’s a robot. ultron is also much more versed in using the mind stone than vision was.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that the mind stone is the strongest of the stones. Thor made that perfectly clear when he activated Vision. Vision also has no idea how to use it and gradually learns over time. Even with it, we see him get beat up by Ultron who knows Vision is naive since he overpowered him while they were only software with no physical bodies. Ultron specifically wanted Visions body and out the mind stone in it knowing it’s power. He was aware the stone amplified Wanda’s powers and how to use the stone to overpower the others… unlike Vision who was shooting deflected beams at Corvinus and Thanos. Thor activated Vision, but Ultron built that body for a reason. So yes, even with big bad Thanos stepping through with the other stones, Ultron in the body he built and mastering the stone was able to slice through Thanos like butter.
@@user-lh8ej7oh5i because the mind stone theoretically allows you to conceive of a way to defeat the other stones, or anything. It told ultron how to build visions body, the very weapon that could allow ultron to defeat thanos.
I still believe that the real reason was because of the script's demands, obviously Ultron had to win to tell this new story, but they could have done it with an epic confrontation between the 2 of them. But also I understand that maybe for the duration limit of the chapter, they decided simply not to do it
How would vision/ultron even win a direct confrontation with 75% buffed thanos? Like I know they could have done it but is that realistic? Idk lol maybe one-shotting him while he was cocky was his best bet?
I do belive that Ultron won because he's a machine. He saw Thanos with the stones and just couldn't take risks. And Thanos has a tendency to talk with his enemies before/after battle, so he didn't expect it.
People seem to forget that the multiverse means literally anything can happen, any version of any character performs any action in different scenarios that result in similar and complete different reactions and events. I don't think this takes away from the character build up, if you understand this pretty simple to understand but complicated in action fact
I think people are confused on how powerful Thanos was the fact that vision and thor werent immediately deleted when they fought him shows he is no where near as powerful even with the gauntlet as people assume he is. Thanos is totally mortal and just a hulk strength mortal. He obviously didn't understand how to use the gems and he really wasnt as powerful as people assume he was. Ultron Vs Thanos no gauntlet thanos of the MCU would die instantly.
what fights with vision and thor are you referring to? Everything in infinity war was thanos just in mood of collecting stones not destruction. In End Game thanos couldn't finish anyone because someone would alway interfere.
Idk why a lot of people didn't realize how powerful mcu vision is. I was disappointed when vision didn't do anything at all in infinity war when he was one of the most powerful member of the avengers.
Thanos shouldn't have even had the soul, time or space stones in this reality. If Ultron wins and all the avengers die then Thor isn't around to fuck with loki. He stays on asgard till his dad dies then Helena takes over asgard with nothing to stop her. With Asgard fully in tact, and Helena in charge, Thanos has to do a lot more than simply intercept a ship of exhausted refugees, I don't even think he would have the means to get to Asgard. If the Avengers and everyone on earth dies to Ultron then he would be possesion of the time stone. Lastly, if Thor doesn't meet up with the GOTG then no one tells them about thanos's plan so they don't run in to him on knowhere, Gamora doesn't get taken to show him where the soul stone is. Thanos should only have the reality stone and power stone. Ultron should have the time and mind stone. The soul stone would remain hidden and the space stone would be "safe" in asgard which, even if he could get to is being guarded by someone who is objectively far stronger than he is. This is poor writing in terms of continuity.
Assuming the Asgard of this universe is the Asgard we know Assuming the soul stone of this universe works like the one we know Assuming the stones of this universe are in the same place as the ones we know Assuming things happened in the same order as they did in the main MCU universe Continuity simply doesn't apply here, it's the multiverse, everything can be different, every single event is not guaranteed to happen
Makes sense. This isn't a story of what would staticially happen if Ultron and Thanos fought, it's here is a unlikely series of events in the multiverse that would cause infinity body ultron In fact you could suggest that Infinity War/Endgame defeating Thanos is a unlikely event didn't happen much in the multiverse as well, Doctor Strange speaks to this when looking through time
Short Answer: Plot Device. Long Answer: Ultron immediately identified him as a threat, then cut the BS (and Thanos) in half instantly, not allowing Thanos to chat, or get the jump on HIM. Seems legit to me, tbh.
@Dan It totally makes sense to me. You're thinking from the angle that Thanos is all powerful in all realities in the multiverse, which simply cannot be true. We just watched multiple episodes where one thing changes in an alternate reality and everything goes in completely different directions from what we know in the main MCU. In this reality Thanos appeared much like he did in the MCU -- he was about to monologue and grandstand to the being who had the final Infinity gem (Ultron), separating him from his objective. They might have had a back and forth with words before fighting. Ultron did not allow this to happen at all, he immediately identified him as a threat then eliminated him. (This also means there are realities where Ultron may have tried and failed to kill Thanos at that moment too). I think you really want Thanos to always win i(in any reality) when it should be obvious that there has to be realities where he fails despite having multiple (or all) Infinity Gems. I will agree however -- having a multiverse allows for writers to be somewhat inconsistent and explain away things that should be set in stone. That's why I had my "Short Answer". 🤣
@Dan You're completely discounting the "human element" and flaws that come with it. Someone who has a lot of power can be arrogant for a brief moment in time. Especially considering the Infinity Gauntlet and the power it grants with 5 stones. You can make your argument on how Ultron didn't just zap away all of his enemies after he got all the stones, but him instantly killing Thanos makes sense to me. Sounds like you're taking this too serious, homie. We aren't gonna agree on this. Yes, the writing is inconsistent. Just enjoy the ride and be happy it's not part of the main MCU canon, lol.
@Dan The episode doesn't run long enough to explain such things. However, even this can be explained away by "Multiverse, lol". They literally say it's a space of "infinite possibilities" does it not? Why can't there be a universe where only Black Widow & Hawkeye survive on Earth? It fits the bill. Why can't there be a reality where Ultron kills Thanos instantly upon meeting? It fits the bill. It's part of those "infinite possibilities", which expand as far as the mind can conceive (and beyond). I'm not dodging, I'm trying to get you to see that the entire multiverse thing is a very convenient way to explain away some of the writing. You might get more pleasure from not taking these as seriously, but I'm betting you won't.
I would agree with the different Thanos having different strengths. The Thanos in Endgame was not as competent as the Infinity War Thanos. He was more emotional by far and way less prepared than the first version of Thanos, and it cost him.
@@teddybaker4759 I'd say it's usually the other way around :p Younger people tend to be more emotional compared to older people because, "They've seen it all before." Older and wiser is an expression for a reason!
the mad titan can tank blasts from starks tech, which from what ive seen is similar to the power of the mindstones laser thing. he has way more durability than whats shown
I doubt that. Also, I imagine Vision holds back when he fires his laser. You really think he'd just dice Sam to bits in Civil War? Hell no, he restrains himself to not be a killer. Ultron simoly tosses caution to the wind and cranks that puppy to full power to ensure that kills whatever he's looking at.
@@BlazingKhioneus he didnt mean to hit sam, and even then its shown him using his laser supposedly at full power against ultron (with iron man and thor helping) could only melt ultron a little. you would assume he would use 100% power against ultron
Disney: I want ultron to beat thanos Mavel: well ok- Disney: and I want him to one shot him and cut him in half Mavel: but ultron is not that stron- Disney: I SAID TO CUT HIM IN HALF THE MOUSE COMMANDS IT
It didn't really ignore the canon, when it's focus is on a multiverse seperate from the main MCU timeline, everything that happened it what if, is canon, and does and did happen.
I just thought ultron was able to unlock more of the soul stone's power than standard vision. He had time to constantly update and improve his body while vision is just vision.
One of the main gimmicks in Infinity war was that Thanos, a finite being wielding near infinite power, needed to close his fist to activate the stones. Ultron in this universe is upgraded to the Vision’s body who’s powers activate instantaneously at a thought. This What If seemed totally reasonable to me for this reason. Also, it made sense because Infinite War went to such lengths to ensure that Vision was out of the field of play because Vision wielding an infinity stone is OP. The 6 infinity stones are equally powerful in their “realm” of power. The mind stone embedded in a vibranium android body would be able to “think faster” and apply infinite power in a finite direction faster than Thanos. To me, I think Ultron smokes “prophet Thanos” every time. Warlord Thanos, who actually did homework on enemies before just waltzing into and out of conflict, would have been far more likely to defeat Ultron.
To be fair our Vision wasn’t in good condition therefore he couldn’t use the powers of the stone but as Stan Lee said “ The only person who will win in a fight is who the script writer wants to win.” RIP Legend
They way he died is so silly. It's almost like his body is made of butter or tofu. It's Thanos dude, physically one of the strongest fighter and he even fought Galactus.
Well, this Thanos clearly hasn't fought galactus. It's been 3 years and you still can't see that MCU Thanos is very different from the one in the comics?
Isn't it still their universe different timeline? The great sample is Spiderman No way home; The infinity stones are in Tom Holland's Spiderman universe so therefore whatever time it is, it will work unless the stone came from Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield's spiderman then it will not work on tom's spiderman universe.
@@bunnybunny4580 No. That’s not how it’s works. Tom Holland, Toby, and Andrew aren’t in different timelines. They are completely different universes. How it could (maybe) work like that is this: You jump back in time, change something; which causes the timeline to split and branch. Maybe in the future of that scenario, there could be two sets of infinity stones. Not sure.
Iron Man made him bleed. "All that for a drop of blood" so I'm pretty sure an Infinity Stone could get through. This is what Thanos' issue is to me. 99.999 times out of 100 he can stand up to any sort of attack so he never needs to have his guard up.
I like the theory we were simply watching "the universe where Ultron wins" The specifics of "why" were never fully established because they don't need to be. They are simply part of the premisse Maybe in this universe Thanos is simply much weaker. Maybe the stones are much stronger. Maybe Ultron can bring out much more power from the stones than other wielders
@@finalfxr8710 And since there's an infinite number of other universes it's an absolute certainty that Thanos getting turned into a Banana Split happens in quite a few of them.
As a martial artist, one thing I - and others - are constantly working on is removing our telegraphs (tels). Whenever a kick or punch or other movement is done, there is always a tel. Eliminating those tels is the hardest process and arguably impossible to remove every tel. In every marvel movie I've seen, nearly every attack thrown by everyone has a tel. Thanos always has some momentary warning. Because of the location of the mind stone on Ultron's head and the nature of being a machine, there were no tels for Thanos. Not only was Thanos caught up in his hubris as stated by the director, there was nothing to react to.
New question: Why Thanos came to Earth himself in this timeline and why by just himself? Why did he not arrive with his own army of Chitauri and his adopted children?
exactly the same reason he got cut in half without i fight i'd assume- Overconfidence. He's the mad titan, already gathered 5 of the 6 stones; added to this the fact that the avengers never fight him on titan so why bother worrying about a planet of monkeys that cant even space travel? Am just guessing, and this is 100% my opinion. But would make sense that he didnt bring his army if he was THAT confident- and ended up getting cut in half.
@@TheRealFabulousTom another plot hole. He also shouldn't have had the space or time stones since theyve been on earth for awhile. A battle between two being both wielding 3 stones would be worth seeing. Just imagine it. Space, time, mind vs power, soul, reality. It sounds godly.
think about it. This suggests infinite universes with different endings in each one. This very specific one simply had the exact ultron on the exact world that had exact stones needed that were stronger than thanos in that exact time. That’s the point of this show, it suggests universes with a time that probably had thanos winning that encounter (probably one where he doesn’t spend an hour talking ab his goals).
I just don't like the fact that the mind stone's laser is so powerful in this version. In main timeline mcU Thanos' body although is not indestructible still can withstand a lot, while vIsion's laser combined with Thor's thunder and iron man's blast barely melted Ultron's vibranium body after few seconds. Thanos' body shouldnt be gone through like a butter like this by the same laser.
@Just a moment to be fair ultron could always upgrade its power though more tech since his goal is killing i mean he killed the avengers who should of plenty of tech to steal off them
The director's response to this moment in What If is the perfect example of the beauty of possibilities and probability and that's why I love the What If series. Mainline MCU got lucky with their heroic timeline and ending but What If shows exactly what can happen in the existence of a multiverse, that any change in any singular possible moment can result in anything. I love What If & the possibilities it displays. Simple as that.
Well each "What If...?" would also have an infinite amount of other universes splintering off from each other. Due to the nature of infinity, there are infinity amounts of universes where Ultron lost to Thanos AND infinity amounts of universes where he killed him like he did here. Of course this is all mind-boggling and defeats the purpose of narrative storytelling - since it implies that there are infinity amounts of the characters and makes it all pointless. The Watcher could have hired infinity amounts of "Party Thors", for example, all functionally identical yet all from a slightly unique universe. There are infinity amounts of Doctor Strange Supremes or even IG Thanosii that he could have plucked from any point in time.
On the stones working in multiple Universes, once again. Of course. This was shown in Dr. Strange and explained in Endgame, some just didn’t get it. _We go back in time to get the stones….Thanos doesn’t have the stones, problem solved._ - Scott _Nope._ - Professor Hulk. The Avengers can’t travel back in time to get the stones from the past. So they travel to alternate universes instead. The stones Professor Hulk uses are from alternate Universes - he uses them in the “sacred” timeline or main Universe. Any attempt to understand this as all happening with stones from the same Universe goes right back to what Scott said. if that were true then the moment you get any stone from the past and bring it to the future- the problem is solved because Thanos never got all the stones, so he never snapped. [this is the classic single-timeline-time-travel paradox] So the stones already came from different Universes and were used in the same Universe. And that is the *one thing* that What if got right. [lots else is wrong] In episode 9 you see Ultron use his time stone and then Dr. Strange fight back with his. Two stones - two different Universes - both working in the same Universe. The stones work in every Universe. Always did - in the MCU>
So when Professor Hulk was trying to get the time machine to work and brought back a young Scott then an Elder Scott, these were from alternate timelines? And when Professor Hulk went to the ancient one to get the time stone and she said that He cane 5 years early and Dr. Strange is a few blocks away from the sanctum operating in the hospital, was this an alternate timeline? Was Thanos that they fought in Endgame from an alternate timeline? The avengers got the stones from their main timeline, just an earlier point in time, and if they didn't bring them back to their point in time after the final battle, then the earlier point will become a new alternate timeline in which Thanos will lose (as he won't be able to collect the 6 stones, thus the past becomes the new future as said by Professor Hulk to WarMachine) and the TVA will erase that new alternate timeline. Remember the events of endgame happened before the break of the sacred timeline into multiple timelines, before the death of Kang. Main timeline Kang is the one who erased all the alternate timelines when He utilized Alioth to defeat his different versions and made these different timelines into a single one so there are no alternate timelines during the events of endgame as these events happened before Kang's death and the events of What if...! happened after his death.
@@BriareosHecatonchires “brought back the young Scott are these from different timelines” ⬆️ No. This was also explained in the film, and again many didn’t listen and don’t get it. What happened with Scott is that TIME WAS SENT THRU HIM - he was not sent thru time.
“The Avengers get the stones from their main timeline” ⬆️ Wrong. Already explained why. All you did was ask irrelevant questions that were already answered and then somehow draw a ridiculous conclusion that has nothing to do with your questions. lol. No wonder you can’t understand the film.
“the main timeline Kang erased all the alternate timelines” ^ What you *leave out:* “I am a time traveler from the 31st century”. Kang did nothing to erase anything prior to that. All the events in the main timeline of he Infinity Saga happened 1000 years before he was born.
Honestly ultron just shows how humble Thanos was and how he would let the snap decide who lives and who dies, whereas ultra used them to the full capacity to destroy each and everything.
It's bad writing, Thanos has tanked worse than this with little to no effect. You're telling me that in his War across the cosmos searching for the stones that he never encountered a surprise attack before?
How does something that someone doesn't like always comes down to bad writing? Title of epside is what if ultron won. Its simple. Ultron didn't hesistate, while thanos just stood there.
@@topher3127 I get that the MCU has to dumb down each if their characters for some reason, but this is the equivalent of Superman taking a 50 cal sniper rifle round and being killed because he hesitated and didn't see it coming. It makes no sense, Thanos is absurdly durable even against the stones. This is the same Mad Titan God Killer who took a blow from a fully powered Thor augmented with the power stone and walked away with a bloody lip smiling. It's bad writing, just like the large majority of the power levels in the MCU.
@@N8zPro I am not saying that Thanos is weak by no means. But he stood up against killing machine with the goal to eradicate all life with no remorse. I'm sure Ultron used enough power that he needed to to get the job done. Thanos is invincible, he bleeds just like everything else. Stark showed that. Just on a minor note exactly how strong/durable is Thanos in the comics?
Ultron was able to assess the situation instantly. He simply rolled higher on initiative
I see what you did there....
I just see it as whoever shoots first wins. Thanos never came across as someone that instantly shoots first. Plus if there’s anything that can one shot thanos, it would be an infinity stone.
Watcher=DM
@@metallicnole4514 he mainly fought to accomplish his goals and wasn't big on random killing
@@dblackviper2k3 He was very big on random killing, His whole thing was that he decimates half of a population at complete random.
Or in the words of Stan Lee, “The person who would win in a fight is the person that the script-writer wants to win!”
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Pretty much... its a show nothing more. Why do people go so upset over stuff like this?
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Yep. As he says,, The most powerful weapon/artifact is the pencil. But of course the writing has to be good and believable. Overall fun show
lazy writing
Kudos to you for turning a 2 minute video into an 8 minute one. Kinda like how we used to reach the word limits in essays back in school
LOL
Didn't even need a 2 minute video, all u needed was to say "cuz he sliced him in half"
I read this and was like wtf is he taking about but then realized I was at the 2min mark already and he had already explained what happened haha.
GET TO THE POINT! You know what? I don't even care anymore. Bye.
No fr he started repeating himself and I realized he just wants view time ig. Then I paused and came to the comments
Thanos, while powerful, is a talker. There isn’t a single instance where he takes a stone without going into a long drawn out discussion of what he’s doing and why. Ultron didn’t give him a chance to open his mouth and, therefore, won.
No, actually what happened was the writers wanted him to win, and did not want to deal with a fight scene between him and Thanos.
Ultron was known to be snippy and talk alot too.
stop making up retarded explanations
@@MidnightNachos stop being a snowflake
Well I can see 2 idiots in this reply section
The only reason ultron killed him so fast is because he didn’t waste his time talking
exactly
"You sly dog! You had me monologuing!!!"
Ultron was also talking, so he did waste 5 seconds.
@@jaideepshekhar4621 You must be fun at partIes
Not only that but Ultron lack mercy. While Vision would have tried to restrain thanos over killing him, Ultron lacks that same level of humanity allowing him to kill without a second guess. Besides he just obliterated the entire earth, it makes sense he would instantly target anyone that may have survived.
Ultron has a gun. Thanos has 5 guns. Thanos is distracted, confident, and otherwise not ready for a firefight right out of the portal, so Ultron just shot from the hip and collected 5 more guns
You're assuming it makes sense that the Mind Stone can emit a beam powerful enough to kill Thanos, like a bullet with a human. Which is a completely unwarranted assumption.
@@SublineYT Why is it unwarranted?
He can get cut by man-made metal. I think it's fair to assume the stone can manage.
It looked like Thanos was still reeling from sacrificing Gamora.
@@Volcatious Yes but in the MCU Thanos is shown to be EXTREMELY physically resilient. Saying "Oh he just wasn't thinking about it" doesn't really change the fact that a mind stone beam would've never killed MCU Thanos, it just means that the initial attack from Ultron landed. But if I hit a pro wrestler with something like a pan, their mindset doesn't change the fact that I can't knock them out regardless of how distracted they are. And saying Thanos can get "cut" by man-made metal is a bit of a stretch, because we've already seen how much work goes into just a drop of this guy's blood.
@@guscavin3011 Perfect analogy. The frying pan is man made metal. The mind stone is a light saber.
When someone asks: “Can you explain this in American?”
I would’ve preferred if Ultron was motivated by the mindstone to hunt the infinity stones down and gets them all before Thanos, who faces Infinity Ultron instead but still gets killed instantly
If that were the case, then we would need a movie for that lol
@@webbyfatsack1310 or a dumb montage like everything else in these poorly written episodes.
Ultron need only to have acquired the time stone first and it would have been fine. Power over time has been repeatedly demonstrated to be quite important in the MCU. It didn't make a lot of sense for Thanos to have already acquired the time stone if Ultron knocked out the Avengers. I suppose we are meant to believe that the Children of Thanos came to earth and took Dr. Strange to Titan without Ultron having any interest in intervening.
@@T.M.034 how were these episodes poorly written exactly?
@@bdonovable you gotta remember this was during AOU where Dr Strange hasn’t become the sorcerer supreme yet. The Ancient one would’ve had the time stone at this time.
I like to think that it was following a story where Ultron won, and thus any scenario where Ultron didn't immediately slice a careless, overconfident Thanos in half resulted in Thanos winning, so we weren't shown a fight of any sort.
Yup, Exactly they showed us the .00001% in which Ultron won. Had Thanos came in there swinging Infinity Stones full power around he would have clapped Ultron
Dang
People are forgetting that Thanos won in over 14 million possible future timelines and in only 1 did he not win, according to what Doctor Strange could see. There were many millions more he didn't see.
@@XLR8Games Ultron is strong, even destroying the body of Vision may not have killed him. Thanos may win in the short run, but if he does delete the stones and ultron comes back, I don't see ultron losing again. (assuming thanos fails to kill him properly)
@@speedy01247 well if Ultron survives he'd plan out in detail how to win against Thanos. So unless Thanos knows how to hack he wouldn't be able to permanently destroy Ultron.
I'd contend that one thing Thanos relies on is that others are often intimidated by his mere presence.
Almost every time we've seen him those around him just kind of stand in awe for a moment, which lets him select and use one of the infinity stones to its best effect.
The one time that doesn't happen is when Thor plants Stormbreaker right in his chest; which gives Thanos just enough time to follow through with his plan. Which shows that he can be taken off guard easily by people who don't hesitate.
In this case, Ultron just doesn't care. There's no "Oh no! Mr. Big Baddie is here! What should I do?"
He sees and enemy. He cuts an enemy in half.
And most importantly: he goes for the head.
"The one time that doesn't happen is when Thor plants Stormbreaker right in his chest"
The key point there is Stormbreaker.
A weapon capable of tanking an energy beam from not one but 6 infinity stones at once and still following through to the impact.
The mind stone alone was never shown to be that effective as a weapon.
Technically he went for the crotch first... Kind of a war crime imo but ended with the head so it all works out. Dude started with a head n ended with a head. 100% a legend
@@mnomadvfx Every individual stone are highly effective weapons in their own ways, they're that powerful. You must've never read the comics, because the mind stone has a ton of OP abilities that was never even shown in the movies.
It kinda does make sense that in that universe he might not be as on guard. I mean, without the Avengers in effect he would have just picked up the 5 stones with little opposition and thus be super confident in addition to having the confidence of having 5 stones to 1.
given that he picked up the time stone. he probly thought everyone on earth are dead due to a nuclear war... thats why he let his guard down.
@@evertchin He was thinking of what to say since he didn't have anything prepared assuming everyone was just dead. (I mean Ultron doesn't give off life signs so it makes some sense that thanos would be caught off guard)
Thanos's weak spot is his head. Ultron went for the head, the long way, but still.
@@speedy01247 makes no sense. He is THE tactical genius of the known galaxy, conqueror or hundreds if not thousands of planets. literally acquired all but 1 of the stones. And HE was caught off guard? Nah dawg lazy ass writing. I’d accept if there was an actual fight and ultron won but there wasn’t.
@@daltonbuchholz5061 In other words, it isn't lazy writing, your just mad it wasn't cool enough. I don't see you bitching and moaning about how the avengers lucked out on all their scenarios where they are supposed to lose, specifically in endgame to be exact. Not to mention every trait you mentioned for Thanos, Ultron is infinite of that since he is literally created from the fucking mind stone. Vision has a hard time using it because he is not created from the mind stone so therefore he doesn't have a pure connection to it. So unlike Vision, Ultron can shoot larger, more powerful concentrated beams without struggling or making weird faces that Vision does when he shoots his beams, because it is his to use alone as a sentient being created from that source of power. You think Ultron built that body in Age of Ultron so that some enemy can just take control or use it easily? Its too complex, not even Vision understands the stone itself and even stated this in Civil War.
Also Thanos at the end of the day is an organic being that is limited by emotions and has to use a gauntlet made out of Uru to take the strain of the infinity stones, unlike Ultron who doesn't need anything at all since, once again, hes made from the primary infinity stone (the mind stone).
Vision's beam in the main timeline couldn't cut through Vibranium.
But Ultron's beam in that episode melted through Uru (stronger metal).
And the finale said the Infinity stones are different depending on the universe so that mindstone is simply more powerful
We dong know how strong uru is compared to vibranium in the mcu
@@lxxdccvii3740 Anthony Russo was asked in an interview what kind of material Thanos' sword was of that could cut through Howard Stark's donated Shield, he left it open ended without directly answering but did say it could potentially be Uru by the Eitri the Dwarf who made the Uru based infinity Gauntlet
@@2drealms196 But that doesn't necessarily mean uru is stronger than vibranium. The reason his sowrd cut through Cap's shield was probably because of the force put onto it, and because it was a sharp edge.
@@NHRB-hq2xw Hardness of a material relates to its yield strength - the stress it can sustain without deformation. Push a "soft" material with a sharpened point into a "harder" material, and the tip will go blunt because the soft material deforms. This is why diamond powder is often used to coat grinding wheels etc - the diamond has very high hardness and doesn't go blunt under normal circumstances. Of course it is just carbon, and when heated sufficiently it will undergo chemical reactions - so even with diamond you have to watch the cutting speed to prevent the tip from getting too hot and going blunt.
Vision is not Ultron.
Ultron created the body+he was created *from* the mind stone, so he has more knowledge over the stone and its powers. Vision, however, did not know how to efficiently use his body.
I only have one theory why Thanos got killed so easily and that is, when he entered earth and saw the destruction of everything, it made him confused raising question through his thoughts and that may have caught him off guard and unprepared for what was going to happen. Unexpectedly, he came alone without and army in his back or even his elites, he wasn't even wearing his armor, meaning he was just going to scout earth, and may have just prepared some small script to play out for whose ever he will encounter. He was prepared to make war with earth but he was overly confident and was took by surprised for that glimpse of second where his confusion mixed up with the thoughts of a full invasion, meaning he had a plan but he stuttered for a glimpse of second, unlike Ultron, he was curious but he was still on his guard and still have the mission in his system to eliminate life that could threaten peace, and it only took him milliseconds to process all that....
~my opinion for that episode is "I really liked that scene, it reminds me of a highschool graduate entering college"...That's all, hope for the best for season 2
Plus if you remember in infinity war, every time Thanos collected a infinity stone, the mind stone warned vision. Vision even said "he's here" right before Thanos portals into Wakanda.
A irl answer would be that they only had 30 minutes for the entire episode and it would've been a waste in the perspective of the story boarders and animators to dedicate any time between 2-10 minutes to a fight that didn't further the plot besides fanservice.
So, they just decided to go with shock value and how Ultron utterly fold the purple nut sec titan like he was a Mortal Kombat character.
Finally...someone with some sense speaks
Dude, some people need everything hand fed to them. If not, they'll call it a "plothole:
Nah. It's just lazy writing
@@TheMarcosHZ if you call that writing, you have no idea what script writing/storytelling is about. The original poster is correct.
brooo i've been think this the whole timee thank god someone thinks like this too.
Honestly, my assumption was that he's just straight up surprised to see Ultron, and Ultron just reacts faster than Thanos does.
Yep, imagine a world where a computer processes faster than a living being!!
@@cmike123 eh this is a comic book movie series where there are people dodging light speed attacks I wouldn't say ultron has greater reaction time but thanos was just surprised.
@@infinitytimer6245 I would say reaction, but I can agree with you. When "kill anything that moves" meets "assess before you shoot" the former tends to win.
Thanos was still alive even after being sliced in half, could of easily reverse time.
Agreed but that doesn't change the fact the mind stone's attack was powerful enough to cut through his body.
When I watched the episode I just kind of thought it was because Vision actually had a conscience and did not use his abilities to their full potential due to a want to help rather than harm. Ultron however just wasnt like that and therefore didnt hold back at all.
With the mind stone, Ultron can stun Thanos's mind for just an instant to prevent any defense. Then slice him in two. This is a good argument for how the mind stone is the most powerful of the stones. The stones require a mind to wield them - it's their main weakness. If Thanos had only used the time stone to look forward like Dr. Strange did, he could have prevented the 1 in 14 million event from happening.
The thanos that won had no reason to use the time stone. First he probably wouldn’t have had the first since he didn’t see doctor strange use it, and I doubt he was that skilled with it to do much else but reverse time. Second even if he did I doubt he would use it seeing as at that point nobody could’ve stopped him. And 2014 thanos, along with the reasons I jsut mentioned, had no time (pun intended) to look through the futures to see how he would win. He was basically getting jumped by everyone and everything around him
@@wadoland0159 I mean after Thanos snapped in the main universe, he could have looked into the future just like Dr Strange did. But he didn't. Thanos failed not because of the power of the stones, but because of his own limitations.
I’d like to note here that, contrary to your point, the 1 in 14 million chance was the timeline in which the events played out exactly the way they did. This means that, in other universes, there were Thanos’ that used it and won because of it
@ilikegamesalot The eye pf aggamoto is just a way to hold the stone.
@ilikegamesalot the eye has the time stone inside of it, it’s just a case for the time stone
The Infinity Stones make you powerful, not indestructible or invincible. Clearly you have to actively think about using them for the stones to activate and do what you want them to do. Faster the mind, the better the stones work. Since “UltraVision” is the most advanced AI on Earth and augmented with the Mind Stone, it’s not a stretch to believe that he can compute and analyze a situation damn near infinitely faster than practically any organic being and remedy the situation. Plus Thanos seemed to be basking in his own glow as he feels he’s about to secure ultimate victory. Which gives UltraVision more than enough time to kill him. I don’t care how polished of a combatant you are, if you don’t see the “one hitter quitter” coming, it’s a wrap.
Fully agree 👍🏼
Yes , indeed. Some strikes no one can stand against. See Masvidal vs Usman 2. Masvidal never saw it coming.
They make u pretty damn near invincible. And while yes not completely but c’maawwn. A guy w/ 5 stones vs. a guy w/ 1 isnt a forgone conclusion but the guy w/ 5 aint goin’ out like no punk. Thanos DEFINITELY went out like a punk.
But not in the comics
@@W33ND3X_W1LCOX talking about your physical body. Stark made him bleed with 4 stones in his possession. Thor damn near killed him when he had all six. For a flesh and blood being, you have to literally think about your action, then physically perform it and the stones will act. For an A.I. with a supercomputer brain, augmented by the Mind stone itself, he’s calculating at a rate we can’t fathom. You saw Thanos use the stones to try to push through Wanda’s attack. He didn’t just stand there and take the hit. It’s like a manual car vs automatic. You physically will not be able to shift gears faster than that computer.
My take is the same as Pitch Meetings.
"How was Vision able to kill Thanos so easily?"
"Because that's what I put in the script."
"But..."
"So then the story can happen."
"Fair enough."
The way he killed Thanos was super easy, barely an inconvenience
@@bewmdogg Slicing mad titans in half is TIGHT.
@@kf_rad Poor Thanos , he was trying make the population of the universe into half but he became half instead
"Is it going to be hard for the Watcher to beat him?"
@@Scar-Predator super easy, barely an inconvenience
I interpreted it as a few things going on but the part that made me believe it is that Ultron is not Vision. While in that scene he might look like vision and even have the same physical capabilities, they don't approach situations the same way. As opposed to the noble and philosophical manner in which vision exists, Ultron doesn't give a damn. Within a brief moment of seeing Thanos, Ultron does two simple things, at what I imagine was lightning speed. Observe this being is from another world. Check. Observe this being has objects quite similar to the Mind Stone. Check. Then he kills him without a second though. Doesn't even bother to wonder who that is or what he wants. He doesn't question why Thanos has come because it is irrelevant. Ultron mentally ticked to check boxes about observing a life form and then just killed him.
Ml
No, Ultron is not Vision.
But Vision's body is still exactly the same.
The mind stone is simply nowhere near as destructive as the power stone.
Maybe Ultron could have done that with the power stone, but even then I would doubt it.
Ultron is an AI. He'd instantly run a "Threat" on him and determine "Hes currently in possession of X number of stones" and would basically say "Danger imminent" and react instantly lol.
He already said this in the video. Ultron is an AI and in What If it used Visions body, as it wanted to in AOU, but failed.
Ultron just caught Thanos off guard, he wasn’t expecting Ultron to cut him in half and he probably didn’t notice that Ultron possessed the Mind Stone since he looked at him for like a second or two.
He teleported to him because he was going to get the mind stone
@@taninmoores4943 in the MCU, he always sent Glaive to attack Vision first in able to hamper his connection to the Mind Stone. In this universe, he didn’t think it was necessary. He already had 5 stones. Most importantly, he had the Time Stone, which heavily implies he’s already been to another part of Earth to pick it up. Either by beating Dr. Strange/the Ancient One or by finding it in the rubble of the nuclear wasteland, Thanos already witnessed the destruction of Earth and obtained the Time Stone presumably easily. Why would he need to worry about the Mind Stone? It could just be on another corpse, somewhere in the rubble, or in the possession of someone who stands no chance against 5 Infinity Stones. That unknown factor is what led to his death, teleporting straight to Ultron and expecting to win. No tactical plan involving Glaive, just teleporting right in front of him and expecting to either talk it out or beat it out of him
Real reason: plot convenience, and budget. Animators dont' want to spend time having them duke it out
@@e3vL1 A 30s fight showing Ultron beating Thanos in a realistic manner (ie, no use of Idiot Balls) would have been satisfying. It's their streaming service, they have room to vary the length of the show.
@@shadowcatcherfox5186 If Ultron and Thanos fought Thanos would win, a wielder of 5 Infinity Stones would always win against a wielder of one. All of the factors that got Thanos killed here would be shoved out the window as soon as Ultron loses the element of surprise.
You know there's still one eety bitty teeny tiny little issue I had with this particular episode....
How the hell did Thanos manage to get the Soul Stone if Gamora was literally *seen* alive in the next few shots during Ultron-Vision's crusade across the galaxy?
holy shit you’re right
I think there was a different gamora she and Ironman were on sakaar and she killed her thanos
Well it’s a different universe The same things that applied in the main universe don’t have to apply in this universe where Ultron massacres everyone
@@saiyanuchiha8488 aka weak writing
weak writing
he divided him half, the reference to him what a way to die.😂😂
This just proves that Jarvis made the vision a wuss
A sus wuss
Well not really because vision was made for ultron and also ultron was made from the mind stone so he's able to use all of visions ability
Not Jarvis, the MCU made Vision a wuss... just so he wouldn't body any and every problem the Avengers were faced with in the movies.
@@Draconicus702 yeah thats what messed me up rhe most about the movies. like vision is a living Infinity stone who should also be one of the smartest beings in The universe being a mixture of Ai and Tony stark. He was absolutely neutered during the infinity war saga
Don't compare my man Jarvis to Mr. "I just feel you".
I think it's Thanos' overconfidence and simple reaction time walking through the portal that led to his death. Ultron's instant reaction was just like a computer while Thanos' was like any other biological entity: He has to process the situation and react. Ultron analyzed the situation and provided a solution the way an advanced machine would. To survive, Thanos would have had to walk through the portal with his most powerful defense up ahead of time.
It's simple. By this stage, Thanos had ditched his armour and gone into "spiritual" mode. In this universe, Asgard and the sorcerers have been defeated, as the time and space stones were already in Thanos' possession, Odin is most likely dead as in the standard MCU universe, Hela had probably succumbed to Surtur and Ragnarok, and Thanos wasn't anticipating any significant resistance.
Ultron killed Thanos in exactly same way Thor would have killed him in the main MCU if he'd "gone for the head". Just as Thanos in his arrogance wasn't prepared for Stormbreaker, so too was he ill prepared for a genocidal android with the mind stone. Ultron, without a score to settle, went straight for the kill shot. MCU Vision was too wrapped up in preventing violence and avoiding the fight, that he didn't even consider he'd have the power to kill Thanos outright. Vision was simply too slow on the draw.
Ultron was made by Stark to defeat Thanos as a contingency. Something everyone keeps forgetting
@@majormarketing6552 so if that plan worked out you really think Ultron would’ve defeated Thanos?
I guess in this certain scenario the explanation is simple. Simply because Ultron killed all the avengers Thanos doesn't have to fight with anyone for those infinity stones, so once he arrived at that moment on Earth he wasn't expecting any resistance. This is why he didn't attack Ultron straight away, and this is why Ultron was able to kill so quick.
He would have had to fight the Ancient One for the time stone (realistically, Ultron should have had the Time Stone already, but I guess, theoritically, The Ancient One could have hidden in the Mirror Realm or something with it, since she can see the future and would know of Ultron killing all life on Earth). He also would have had to fought Hela for the Space Stone. He also also would have still been fresh from killing Gamora for the soul stone, and should still be distraught over that. Him being "overconfident" is still just an excuse for lazy writing.
@@KaseyC. ancient one got killed by the nukes hela doesnt need the space stone he probably killed nebula
I don't think it is laxy writing. How Thanos was killed wasn't important to the story and didn't need to be expanded on with the short run time of the episode.
Seems simple. Ultron was quick on the draw. He saw a threat, he killed the threat. Thanos was slow to react and probably figured he couldn't be killed easily. When Vision and Thanos fought, Vision was badly injured. Plus Vision had a respect for life. Those two things combined likely meant he couldn't/wouldn't just kill Thanos as a first resort.
And Thanos didn't bother so find out what/who killed all the Avengers and whole humanity at large first ? In Infinity War Thanos didn't just dropped in blindly, he first send his cabal (or whatever they are called) and they served as his scout party.
@@WiGgYof09 it's like how zod would probably just vaporize Batman, instead of wasting time with him or giving him a chance to react. Ultron won because he stoped monologing .
This whole episode was just epic, I couldn't take my eyes off the screen.
I'd say "pissed off in a major way" is a bit overstated, every reaction I've seen is more shock and humor as opposed to anger...
For me, it's more of an 🙄 . The last two episodes of What If are more like....Whatever.
I just don’t like it because Thanos has a very strong body and vision has never shown that his blast can destroy any substance. He’s stronger than the hulk for gods sake.
Trust there are
He probably felt pissed off and assumed everyone else just has to be.
@@meurum2561 didn’t visions beam almost kill rhodey? i never doubted how strong it was since then and it was only a scrape
"Didn't check where he was going in advance and he was a little ill-prepared." Sounds exactly like the kind of person who would have been able to retrieve four infinity stones by himself. I didn't see anything particularly revealing by that description at all. It just sounds like "it's an alternate universe so stuff's different." He could have said, for example, that it was at least partially because they tried to sever his connection to the mind stone in the early stage of the battle, but it was a low-effort response. Of course that also wouldn't explain why he didn't use that beam prior to this movie.
I mean those 4 infinity stones mentioned were taken from places already destroyed by Ultron. There was barely a fight for each stone then
My theory (this theory is valid because it's one of infinite possible outcomes) is that after knowing that Earth is now in ruins, Thanos wanted to either make Ultron an underling or completely crush him to complete his rainbow rock collection. And he was so confident of his 5 stones over Ultron's one single stone that he just forgot to check the time stone if he would even fail. The moment Ultron saw Thanos and the 5 stones, his super-duper-giga fast AI had already done the calculation of what action to make, and the ruthless machine just did what he did with no hesitation. If only Thanos had used the time stone though, there would actually have been a fight going on and maybe Thanos would have won.
Vision: “I am on the side of Life, Ultron isn’t. He will end it all.”
Yeah Ultron has that Killer Instinct while Vision doesn’t.
Also the best chance against Thanos is the definitely the first strike since he’s usually up for talking before fighting. Ultron took his chance pretty fast against Thanos.
I agree I think vision didnt kill him because he values ALL life, he knows his potential but wont use it in a undisciplined way, while Ultron would go to whatever length he needs to achieve his goal, jumping thanos right as he comes of the portal was the "logical" decision, as well as ultron having access to the mind stone giving him knowledge about the other stones
Finally someone who understood!
Ooooh, I understand, so vision didn’t killed thanos because he was a pacifist, and therefore values all life… except if is Corvus Glaive’s life
I would have loved to see a Ultron fight with Thanos. I know Thanos will most likely win because he has 5 of the infinity stones. However, i honestly think that Thanos could easily defeat Ultron even without the infinity stones. Look at what he did to Vision's head when he pulled the Mind stone out of him. Thanos wasnt even using the infinity stones to do that. He did it with just his fingers.
Yeah by that standards we can xarefully assume that thanos could crush ultron's head casually as he did to vision.
Ultron could’ve just phased out, since he wasn’t debilitated by Claive.
Am I the only one who realizes Ultron should have had the time stone and not Thanos?
@@KaseyC. explain 🤔
@@43dasuperman the time stone was on Earth. Ultron now rules Earth. How did Thanos get the stone?
It’s interesting that the stones don’t necessarily imbue the bearers with invulnerability, or any other passive protection.
And thanos is always dying
Ultron had one goal which is Eliminating all life. After he wiped all life on Earth, seeing Thanos alive fascinates him.
He is basically a computer decides quickly than Thanos and ends up cutting Thanos in half.
Despite this but he’s still very slow to realize that his stone was stolen from his armor in episode 9.
@@กันต์ธรมิตรปราสาท At that point, he was getting sloppy.
Really, it shouldn't fascinate him. He has access to all of Shield's databases, so he should have known about Thor being not from Earth (possibly even Captain Marvel, but maybe not, since everyone but Fury seems to just not know who she is), and have already been looking out life on other planets.
@@KaseyC. Yes, you have a valid point. If he realised Thor was from Asgard, then he should have an idea about Nine Realms and Life outside our Earth.
But there is no SHIELD in Age of Ultron.
SHIELD was infiltrated by Hydra and it was terminated (I don't remember) in Captain America: Winter Soldier.
@@KaseyC. I think the fascination was with the other Infinity Stones, (and likely the connection to the one in his noggin) He likely knew about them thru various databases/the Mind Stone itself- but seeing them all gathered in front if him, "feeling" the connection between them- that's where how I interpreted the "fascinating" part.
Thanos, like most universal power villains, in the comics loses due to his hubris all the time. It's pretty canonical in that way.
I like how the mind stone is only ever used to make an energy beam. When it was in loki's sceptre it was used for actual mind control but when it's in its pure form it doesn't do that for some reason. I also don't think the soul stone was ever actually used once, which is disappointing since its my favourite and the way that you acquire it is really cool.
Believe Thanos used it like once against Doctor Strange to decide which of his doubles was the real deal
I think its true power is unlimited knowledge. Like how to create the beam (some kind of light/ plasma or chemical process), how to make visions organic vibranium body in the first place, accurately predict the future from probability, and defeat a being like thanos. While the stone has all this knowledge, to fully unlock it, it takes a body like vision's to use it and ultrons ai to process it.
When it comes to the infinity stones, it's not the power that mater but how much of that power you can control and withstand.
now explain how ultron used the infinity stones in different universes; i simply call weak writing, weak writing
Thanos got the anime villain treatment. With each new arc, they become significantly stronger than the previous villain
Reminds me of Dragonball Z
@@slashd Exactly what I was thinking of when I typed this
Super sayan ultron
@@goozebump who is Super and why is he in Ultron?
this guy knows how to turn 30 words into a 5 page essay
I just don’t understand how a single beam would just slice Thanos in half like play doh when he’s basically an eternal with the power of 5 stones on top of that
The stones in the gauntlet don't do anything unless the gauntlet is activated so the latter point is moot as this Thanos did not react in time. As for the former...I'm not sure MCU Thanos even has that sort of background. He's just an incredibly durable guy, but if Stormbreaker can pierce his skin then it's not out of the question for a beam of infinity stone energy to do the same.
@@natchu96 you bring up some logical points. I can get behind most of what your saying.
Storm breaker piercing Thanos is probably the best point you brought up.
But the stones is the gauntlet absolutely makes your person stronger, that’s why Thanos dropped his armor after he had two stones, because he didn’t need it anymore. Also when you drop a stone in the gauntlet you can see the power not only surge through the gauntlet, but through every part of the users body as well.
@@peterparker9214 yeah I see your point but think about it some more.... His body surges with power not indestructible or harder skin. The reason he takes off his armor after receiving the second stone is plain old hubris! Not that the stones replace his armor but that his faith in himself being quick to respond and his body being incredibly resilient on it's own but in no way indestructible. Then add the fact he's got these powerful stoned making him one of the most powerful beings in the whole universe, at least according to Dr. Banner! So that's my take on it.
@@MrJonris30 I can agree with this!!! I would still argue that Thanos is insanely strong, and I don’t buy at face value that he can just be sliced in half like a butter knife through play doh.
That’s just me know my friend 🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@natchu96 Not just Storm breaker, The Thor himself pushed it. THIR is badically a God and so strong..
We saw Thanos able to blocked any of the Avengers Attacked/their Powers like Captain Marvel, Dr Stranges, Iron Man, Scarlet witch etc
I don't mind MCU changing power levels from comics but this was jarring for anyone who is aware of the feats Thanos is capable of in the comics. Not only that, but within context of MCU and how powerful the stones are that even being able to wield them all is an astronomical feat of durability, seeing Thanos go out without so much as a whimper renders what happened in Infinity War and Endgame far less believable.
Well they had a good explanation. Thanos simple was surprised half a millisecond to long to act
@@inteallsviktigt Yes but that means we're supposed to believe Thanos, who ripped the stone out of Vision/Ultron's perfect vibranium form with his bare hands and is durable to survive anything and everything the Avengers threw at him couldn't tank one blast from the mind stone? Even Ultron at the end of Age of Ultron, Ultron tanked a mind stone blast in conjunction with Tony's repulsors and Thor's lightning blast from mjolnir and survived but Thanos couldn't?
@@bmikelum9287 do you remember how Thanos was killed by an ax? Thanos was just not prepared and surprised. His hubris was his downfall
@@inteallsviktigt I’m pretty sure anyone hit by an ax forged for gods would be hurt, especially when it’s wielded by one. He was killed only because he was held down but either way like that guy said thanos in the movies is built up a certain way and especially in the comics he’s nearly unstoppable and suddenly they destroy this whole characters honor
@@inteallsviktigt let's just keep in mind that Storm Breaker was shown to be powerful enough to go through a beam from all 6 stones like it was butter, and yet Thanos still survived being hit by it.
This actually makes sense. Getting a jump on Thanos like that is so improbable that it happens in only one of the universes. Otherwise we would've had many more ultrons hopping universes. Then again this never really bothered me. What bothers me is that the infinity stones work out of their own universe (in the comics they only have power in their own universe, for those who didn't know). That's such a huge deal going forward that I believe it will bite the MCU writers in the behind later. It makes attaining power for multiversal characters stupidly easy, when they could just hop to another universe and get some infinity stones. Not to mention the TVA already has a ton of them that they can just take out to missions. Also I raise your infinity gauntlet with my set of 6 sets of infinity stones in my gauntlets and boots and helmet and crotch.
My personal theory (which is soley for the purpose of making sense of this multiversal mess before it is truely established) is that some universes are more alike than others and that stones from a universe that is closely related to another universe can be used in that universe. That, of course, doesn't explain why ultron was able to get into wherever the watcher inhabits, but nothing is perfect I guess.
the stones working out of their universes of origin was sort of necessary for anything in Endgame to work, really. That, and as seen with the Doctor Strange movie the MCU rendition of these chunks of magic rock can create the force/phenomenon they control in an environment devoid of it, in that case time.
It does lead to some annoying consequences but the damage was essentially done ages ago.
@@natchu96 In Endgame the stones were always in the same universe though.... They were only back in time but in the same plane of existence not the multiverse!! So they didn't need this theory of stones working in different universes. They never left their own timeline they only traveled through it and any changes made would create a new TIMELINE not a UNIVERSE!! I know it's confusing to some so I understand the mistake in thinking so.
That was also true in Loki. Remember, the had drawers full of powerless Infinity Stones.
I think this makes sense if you look at the situation:
The Avengers are dead, as is most life on Earth, so this Thanos has reason to be overconfident.
Idk. If I found out every single life on a planet has been massacred in an instant I would be extremely careful of the reason what made the inhabitants extinct in the first place
@@Zanoladab he was already on Earth judging by the fact he claimed the Time Stone. The fact his own home world was destroyed by overpopulation could have influenced his own perspective on Earth. He probably assumed Earth was another victim of the problem he sought to fix, and he was only one step away from not letting this happen to any other world.
@@Rexis102 good point, his home world self destructed and he might have assumed earth did the same.
@@Rexis102 if the time stone was on earth wouldn't Ultron have took it before thanos did?? There are too many questions that are open in what if?.. that we sadly may not get the answer to the most of them
@@Zanoladab I don’t think Ultron knew the Time Stone was on Earth. It was kept in the deepest part of the Ancient One’s Sanctum. Either that or it was in Strange’s Sanctum. Whatever’s the case, Ultron wouldn’t have any knowledge about it. He scoured the Internet but the Time Stone is a well guarded secret, most likely not mentioned on the Internet at all.
Ultron must've secretly read Thanos' mind, then put him under perfect balance.
Not at all. Ultron wanted to kill all living beings. Thanos was alive. So he didnt hesitate. Thanos was still assessing the situation. Han shot first.
i love it when he said that there are most likely hundreds of universes that thanos gets through that gate and just destroys that driod
When you think about it, it's kinda funny how ultron winning has literally a one in infinity chance of happening. Since the multi-verse is essentially infinite, and it's infinite because of the infinite number of scenarios that can occur, and the fact that there was only one Ultron infinity, it's likely that this was the only scenario in the entire Multiverse which Ultron actually truly won by destroying all life, in his own universe at least.
If there’s an infinite amount of universes then there’s an infinite amount in which ultron won
I mean, we don't know if there's only one Ultron like this. This just seems to be the only one where he somehow managed to break out of his universe and into the other.
@@mrlillywhite8374 His point stands. Only one Ultron ascended into a cosmic being and achieved multiversal awareness.
@@Tbland0930 I’m just saying that there aren’t infinite universes since only so many things can happen differently
@@Tbland0930 he’s right though, there can’t be infinite universes because there would be infinite Ultrons that won
I think the answer is a rather simple one, Ultron simply catches him off guard, it was so quick how could Thanos see it coming?
Using the time stone, that's how he could have saw it comin'
If vision can't cut through ultron in the mcu. How the hell is he gonna slice right through Thanos. He is nearly invulnerable
Marvel inconsistencies
@@Debonairactive idk even know why taking these episodes so serious it’s clearly a What If? Episode
Thanos surely didn’t see it(Age of Ultron) coming 😂 , rip quicksilver.
Ultron is known for his MIND. His possession of the MIND stone along with his instantaneous reaction time and mastery of the stone definitely is what caused his victory.
lolol. people's insistent need to defend a weakly scripted setting and events
Real reason: plot convenience, and budget. Animators dont' want to spend time having them duke it out
They could just take out the Ultron versus Captain Marvel fight. She got slapped by one stone, makes no sense for her to hold her own for even a moment against all 6.
it’s not on animators to decide fight length it’s on producers/executives
Because Thanos would fucking slap Ultron
@@Official_Rz but he didn't lmao fanboys 🤣🤣
@@tosourtobesweet6976 ??? Because the writers wanted it written this way so he didn't ??? lol, I'm not a fanboy, I just know the real Ultron doesn't stand a chance against the real Thanos.
Because plot, that's why, because plot
Vision stated that he did not fully understand the mind stone but I believe Ultron was able to unlock the full power of the mind stone
It kinda makes sense. The laser beam is light speed and I doubt Thanos can react to light speed. And considering how Stormbreaker is capable of killing Thanos, then the Mind Stone would definitely be capable of killing him
nah this all bs, the mind stone in infinity war wasn’t powerful enough to blast through corvus glaves weapon. ain’t no way it could tear through thanos considering he has pretty durable skin
Yeah, and also Shuri was trying to remove the Mind Stone at that time to this vid is pure bs
I think you mean Vision WIELDING the mind stone wasn't powerful enough. Ultron is an entirely different beast.
@@MANJYOMETHUNDER111 lol yea for plot convenience
Saying Vision is inferior to ultron is idiotic. Vision was literally keeping ultron from accessing nuclear codes and wiping out all life for the entire movie. Which is why we even got the makeshift meteor plan. The fact that he can beat Ultron in a hacking war proves he's just as advanced. There's no reason he couldn't use the mind stone just as well, other then morality. The writers for What If just nerf characters like Thanos and iron man, because they've had their moment and the show is supposed to be a proving ground for secondary heroes/ villains. For that matter Thanos should've low diffed the black order in the star lord episode too. There's no bullshit " he was off guard" excuse for that he's just plain equal to one of them when I'm damn sure MCU Thanos could've pummeled 3-4 of them at once, if not the whole group with his bare hands
Pretty sure it’s just cause Ultron’s smart and didn’t want to waste time like most villains.
so basically, wanda could hold off thanos, who had 5 of the 6 infinity stones at the time, with just a fraction of the mind stone's power. Now considering how Ultron-vision handled thanos immediately, I think it is a lot more realistic than it seems, and the effect the mind stone itself has had in the mcu, it just makes sense that the mind stone is probably stronger than the rest of the infinity stones.
It's just strange to me that Ultron could use the mind stone to easily slice Thanos in half like that. Thanos' skin is even tougher than the Hulk's, so, to me it would require even more power than a single stone to dispatch The Mad Titan like that. Vision was damaged by attacking Thanos hedgemen Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight, so, I'll chalk that up as the reason he wasn't able to easily destroy them like Ultron did to Thanos. But I think that with Thanos not being human and such a powerful immortal alien being (An Eternal) with all 5 stones at his disposal, that he should have been able to put up some kind of defense against the sneak attack from Ultron. It just makes almost no sense to me that he was destroyed so quickly.
it weak writing. now consider that ultron used stones in different universes
If they were like "let's fight to the end" after a 5 min long dialog, then Thanos would have won. But the entire thing took just about 2 seconds and clearly it's not enough time for Thanos to react. Fans upset because they only see movies where heroes and villains stop and talk before either one of them makes a move...
I mean this is the exact same thing we were making memes about in the Multiverse of Madness. Blackbolt could have easily destroyed Wanda but "avengers" (illuminati) in that universe stood their grounds and talk...
Thanos: unprepared, ignorant, and overconfident
Ultron: had complete and perfect understanding of his own assets and was extremely decisive
It's that simple, it doesnt matter who had more infinity stones
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While the director's concept makes with the infinite possibilities of the multiverse, it seems only one universe produced UltraVision. Otherwise, the Watcher would be in even MORE trouble.
It’s not just Ultron that had to win for this outcome, but also Thanos having to collect the stones, bring them to earth right in front of Ultron and lose.
Theirs A LOT more variables to make that happen aside from just Ultron getting the Vision body.
The living tribunal is a thing that stop multiversal threats
Even if there are multiple Infinity Ultrons, actually i dont think they would team up at all... given that ultron even wanted to destroy the watcher who poses no threat to "peace".
Its just that in the other universes, the Watcher wasn't present. It was his presence that allowed Infinity Ultron to escape his universe which relies on something out with the universe. Since none of the others had a Watcher present it would never be possible for Infinity Ultron to realise there were many universes.
Not necessarily, Ultron only became aware because he heard the watcher, if watcher just kept his mouth shut, Ultron would have never become aware of the multiverse.
There most likely are other Infinite Ultrons, but they are basically just sitting there, going even more insane, because they have nothing left to do because they never became aware.
5 out of 6 Infinity Gems, and this man goes "Alright, robot. Let's throw hands after I Talk no Jutsu you."
Surprising to see you here
The way I look at it is this - Ultron was simply out to destroy all life at this point. I think it makes sense that he would get the jump on Thanos because not only would Thanos greatly underestimate Ultrons power level as an adversary, but would also underestimate his willingness to just immediately kill on sight. I think Thanos was still the more powerful, but Ultron just got him immediately with a fatal sucker punch. If you're going up against someone who will kill you the second they lay eyes on you, then I'd say... good luck. Hahahaha.
If ultron’s purpose is to destroy all life, his AI would’ve wanted to immediately destroy thanos and wouldn’t have had to think about it because he’s a robot. ultron is also much more versed in using the mind stone than vision was.
Translation: We didn't want to have to animate and write a fight scene between them.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that the mind stone is the strongest of the stones. Thor made that perfectly clear when he activated Vision. Vision also has no idea how to use it and gradually learns over time. Even with it, we see him get beat up by Ultron who knows Vision is naive since he overpowered him while they were only software with no physical bodies. Ultron specifically wanted Visions body and out the mind stone in it knowing it’s power. He was aware the stone amplified Wanda’s powers and how to use the stone to overpower the others… unlike Vision who was shooting deflected beams at Corvinus and Thanos. Thor activated Vision, but Ultron built that body for a reason. So yes, even with big bad Thanos stepping through with the other stones, Ultron in the body he built and mastering the stone was able to slice through Thanos like butter.
How the fuck is the mind stone the strongest? It's obviously the power stone. That's stone destroyed an entire planet
@@user-lh8ej7oh5i because the mind stone theoretically allows you to conceive of a way to defeat the other stones, or anything. It told ultron how to build visions body, the very weapon that could allow ultron to defeat thanos.
I still believe that the real reason was because of the script's demands, obviously Ultron had to win to tell this new story, but they could have done it with an epic confrontation between the 2 of them. But also I understand that maybe for the duration limit of the chapter, they decided simply not to do it
How would vision/ultron even win a direct confrontation with 75% buffed thanos? Like I know they could have done it but is that realistic? Idk lol maybe one-shotting him while he was cocky was his best bet?
now this here makes much more sense. What if? is supposed no not be serious
they shouldnt have used thanos at all, if they were going to break his credibility in the end
I do belive that Ultron won because he's a machine. He saw Thanos with the stones and just couldn't take risks. And Thanos has a tendency to talk with his enemies before/after battle, so he didn't expect it.
People seem to forget that the multiverse means literally anything can happen, any version of any character performs any action in different scenarios that result in similar and complete different reactions and events. I don't think this takes away from the character build up, if you understand this pretty simple to understand but complicated in action fact
I think people are confused on how powerful Thanos was the fact that vision and thor werent immediately deleted when they fought him shows he is no where near as powerful even with the gauntlet as people assume he is. Thanos is totally mortal and just a hulk strength mortal. He obviously didn't understand how to use the gems and he really wasnt as powerful as people assume he was. Ultron Vs Thanos no gauntlet thanos of the MCU would die instantly.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Not really tho, people forget that Thanos was born an Eternal with the deviant gene. Eternals are immortal. Thanos is not a mortal.
what fights with vision and thor are you referring to? Everything in infinity war was thanos just in mood of collecting stones not destruction. In End Game thanos couldn't finish anyone because someone would alway interfere.
no he wouldnt because his sword can deflect his beams
Idk why a lot of people didn't realize how powerful mcu vision is. I was disappointed when vision didn't do anything at all in infinity war when he was one of the most powerful member of the avengers.
Thanos shouldn't have even had the soul, time or space stones in this reality. If Ultron wins and all the avengers die then Thor isn't around to fuck with loki. He stays on asgard till his dad dies then Helena takes over asgard with nothing to stop her. With Asgard fully in tact, and Helena in charge, Thanos has to do a lot more than simply intercept a ship of exhausted refugees, I don't even think he would have the means to get to Asgard. If the Avengers and everyone on earth dies to Ultron then he would be possesion of the time stone. Lastly, if Thor doesn't meet up with the GOTG then no one tells them about thanos's plan so they don't run in to him on knowhere, Gamora doesn't get taken to show him where the soul stone is. Thanos should only have the reality stone and power stone. Ultron should have the time and mind stone. The soul stone would remain hidden and the space stone would be "safe" in asgard which, even if he could get to is being guarded by someone who is objectively far stronger than he is. This is poor writing in terms of continuity.
Yup, exactly
Assuming the Asgard of this universe is the Asgard we know
Assuming the soul stone of this universe works like the one we know
Assuming the stones of this universe are in the same place as the ones we know
Assuming things happened in the same order as they did in the main MCU universe
Continuity simply doesn't apply here, it's the multiverse, everything can be different, every single event is not guaranteed to happen
Let’s just say the writing on this show wasn’t the best
Continuity? In a show called... **checks notes** "What If..."? Where the premise is **checks notes again** ... if things turned out differently?
Vision is OP, I knew this waaaay back when he lifted Mjolnir. But the way Ultron murdered him is BS, an epic battle should've happen
I feel like the ultron version of vision wouldn't be able to lift Mjolnir since he wasn't honorable. Odin wouldn't have wanted him to weild it
@@konankunoichi94 But in this parallel universe Odin NEVER put the spell on Mjolnir, so it is 'just' an incredibly heavy magic hammer
@@gonhunter3994 said who ? stfu
it's done, unless you have a time stone to undo it.
The last two episodes are really - What if Ultron had plot armor.
Makes sense. This isn't a story of what would staticially happen if Ultron and Thanos fought, it's here is a unlikely series of events in the multiverse that would cause infinity body ultron
In fact you could suggest that Infinity War/Endgame defeating Thanos is a unlikely event didn't happen much in the multiverse as well, Doctor Strange speaks to this when looking through time
Short Answer: Plot Device.
Long Answer: Ultron immediately identified him as a threat, then cut the BS (and Thanos) in half instantly, not allowing Thanos to chat, or get the jump on HIM.
Seems legit to me, tbh.
@Dan It totally makes sense to me. You're thinking from the angle that Thanos is all powerful in all realities in the multiverse, which simply cannot be true. We just watched multiple episodes where one thing changes in an alternate reality and everything goes in completely different directions from what we know in the main MCU. In this reality Thanos appeared much like he did in the MCU -- he was about to monologue and grandstand to the being who had the final Infinity gem (Ultron), separating him from his objective. They might have had a back and forth with words before fighting. Ultron did not allow this to happen at all, he immediately identified him as a threat then eliminated him. (This also means there are realities where Ultron may have tried and failed to kill Thanos at that moment too).
I think you really want Thanos to always win i(in any reality) when it should be obvious that there has to be realities where he fails despite having multiple (or all) Infinity Gems. I will agree however -- having a multiverse allows for writers to be somewhat inconsistent and explain away things that should be set in stone. That's why I had my "Short Answer". 🤣
@Dan You're completely discounting the "human element" and flaws that come with it. Someone who has a lot of power can be arrogant for a brief moment in time. Especially considering the Infinity Gauntlet and the power it grants with 5 stones. You can make your argument on how Ultron didn't just zap away all of his enemies after he got all the stones, but him instantly killing Thanos makes sense to me.
Sounds like you're taking this too serious, homie. We aren't gonna agree on this. Yes, the writing is inconsistent. Just enjoy the ride and be happy it's not part of the main MCU canon, lol.
@Dan It’ll be alright my man. You can always stop watching if it bothers you so much. 👀
@Dan The episode doesn't run long enough to explain such things. However, even this can be explained away by "Multiverse, lol". They literally say it's a space of "infinite possibilities" does it not? Why can't there be a universe where only Black Widow & Hawkeye survive on Earth? It fits the bill. Why can't there be a reality where Ultron kills Thanos instantly upon meeting? It fits the bill. It's part of those "infinite possibilities", which expand as far as the mind can conceive (and beyond).
I'm not dodging, I'm trying to get you to see that the entire multiverse thing is a very convenient way to explain away some of the writing. You might get more pleasure from not taking these as seriously, but I'm betting you won't.
I would agree with the different Thanos having different strengths. The Thanos in Endgame was not as competent as the Infinity War Thanos. He was more emotional by far and way less prepared than the first version of Thanos, and it cost him.
I just thought it was because he was older. More age more emotion.
@@teddybaker4759 I'd say it's usually the other way around :p
Younger people tend to be more emotional compared to older people because, "They've seen it all before."
Older and wiser is an expression for a reason!
I'm sure there's a universe where Thanos gets defeated by Howard the Duck.
the mad titan can tank blasts from starks tech, which from what ive seen is similar to the power of the mindstones laser thing. he has way more durability than whats shown
I doubt that. Also, I imagine Vision holds back when he fires his laser. You really think he'd just dice Sam to bits in Civil War? Hell no, he restrains himself to not be a killer. Ultron simoly tosses caution to the wind and cranks that puppy to full power to ensure that kills whatever he's looking at.
@@BlazingKhioneus yea exactly. Vision only uses enough power to do the job. Ultron doesn’t give a f
@@BlazingKhioneus he didnt mean to hit sam, and even then its shown him using his laser supposedly at full power against ultron (with iron man and thor helping) could only melt ultron a little. you would assume he would use 100% power against ultron
@@ChilledBacon I feel like Titan flesh has a lower melting point than vibranium
Disney: I want ultron to beat thanos
Mavel: well ok-
Disney: and I want him to one shot him and cut him in half
Mavel: but ultron is not that stron-
Disney: I SAID TO CUT HIM IN HALF THE MOUSE COMMANDS IT
I just died
Despite ignoring so much of Marvel's canon, this series was a pretty cool spectacle.
It didn't really ignore the canon, when it's focus is on a multiverse seperate from the main MCU timeline, everything that happened it what if, is canon, and does and did happen.
I just thought ultron was able to unlock more of the soul stone's power than standard vision. He had time to constantly update and improve his body while vision is just vision.
One of the main gimmicks in Infinity war was that Thanos, a finite being wielding near infinite power, needed to close his fist to activate the stones. Ultron in this universe is upgraded to the Vision’s body who’s powers activate instantaneously at a thought. This What If seemed totally reasonable to me for this reason. Also, it made sense because Infinite War went to such lengths to ensure that Vision was out of the field of play because Vision wielding an infinity stone is OP.
The 6 infinity stones are equally powerful in their “realm” of power. The mind stone embedded in a vibranium android body would be able to “think faster” and apply infinite power in a finite direction faster than Thanos. To me, I think Ultron smokes “prophet Thanos” every time. Warlord Thanos, who actually did homework on enemies before just waltzing into and out of conflict, would have been far more likely to defeat Ultron.
He closes his fist tho before ultron strikes.
To be fair our Vision wasn’t in good condition therefore he couldn’t use the powers of the stone but as Stan Lee said “ The only person who will win in a fight is who the script writer wants to win.” RIP Legend
They way he died is so silly. It's almost like his body is made of butter or tofu. It's Thanos dude, physically one of the strongest fighter and he even fought Galactus.
Well, this Thanos clearly hasn't fought galactus. It's been 3 years and you still can't see that MCU Thanos is very different from the one in the comics?
@@hylios6285 MCU Thanos definitely wouldn't have been done like that! Completely nerfed. Cool episode tho
I’m curious though! How did the infinity stones work outside of their own universe? Aren’t they only supposed to work in their respective universes?
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Isn't it still their universe different timeline? The great sample is Spiderman No way home; The infinity stones are in Tom Holland's Spiderman universe so therefore whatever time it is, it will work unless the stone came from Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield's spiderman then it will not work on tom's spiderman universe.
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No. That’s not how it’s works. Tom Holland, Toby, and Andrew aren’t in different timelines. They are completely different universes. How it could (maybe) work like that is this: You jump back in time, change something; which causes the timeline to split and branch. Maybe in the future of that scenario, there could be two sets of infinity stones. Not sure.
Wouldn’t Thanos’s skin be too durable for it to be cut in half like that so easily
Iron Man made him bleed. "All that for a drop of blood" so I'm pretty sure an Infinity Stone could get through. This is what Thanos' issue is to me. 99.999 times out of 100 he can stand up to any sort of attack so he never needs to have his guard up.
@@ncs9667 iron man made him bleed like a paper cut soo idk about the mind stone
I like the theory we were simply watching "the universe where Ultron wins"
The specifics of "why" were never fully established because they don't need to be. They are simply part of the premisse
Maybe in this universe Thanos is simply much weaker. Maybe the stones are much stronger. Maybe Ultron can bring out much more power from the stones than other wielders
This would neither happen nor be possible given he instantly shielded himself from Scarlet Witch's point-blank attack.
Mm they used the scapegoat of multiverse theory.. it’s not possible.
Except in a universe where it is
@@finalfxr8710 And since there's an infinite number of other universes it's an absolute certainty that Thanos getting turned into a Banana Split happens in quite a few of them.
@@S3Cs4uN8 "Quite a few" I highly doubt given only 1 out of 14 million universes did the Avengers defeat Thanos with a timely assist from a rat...
@@charndeepbhangoo7556 The Avengers defeating Thanos is not a requirement for a Thanos Banana-Split moment.
@@S3Cs4uN8 Of course it is because Vision was right there when Thanos came for his mind stone. But guess what? No "Banana-Splitting happened.
In summary, Ultron caught Thanos lackin
"Not even breaking a sweat"
Cuz he can't. You do realise that he's an AI Robot right?
figure of speech, That means he did it without any effort in that moment.
Yup were in a age where people can't even understand basic figures of speech I mean why the hell does this have likes?!?
@@infinitytimer6245Meh, People probably think it's a joke or not being serious. It might not be that serious tbh.
Remember when they said in episode 9 What If ”Don’t let him think”…
Thanos couldn’t think and was caught off guard.
As a martial artist, one thing I - and others - are constantly working on is removing our telegraphs (tels). Whenever a kick or punch or other movement is done, there is always a tel. Eliminating those tels is the hardest process and arguably impossible to remove every tel. In every marvel movie I've seen, nearly every attack thrown by everyone has a tel. Thanos always has some momentary warning. Because of the location of the mind stone on Ultron's head and the nature of being a machine, there were no tels for Thanos. Not only was Thanos caught up in his hubris as stated by the director, there was nothing to react to.
New question: Why Thanos came to Earth himself in this timeline and why by just himself? Why did he not arrive with his own army of Chitauri and his adopted children?
Because the show wanted him to lose
exactly the same reason he got cut in half without i fight i'd assume- Overconfidence.
He's the mad titan, already gathered 5 of the 6 stones; added to this the fact that the avengers never fight him on titan so why bother worrying about a planet of monkeys that cant even space travel?
Am just guessing, and this is 100% my opinion. But would make sense that he didnt bring his army if he was THAT confident- and ended up getting cut in half.
Wait If He Got The 5 Then What Did He Sacrifice For The Soul Stone
Gamora Is alive and well when Ultron attacks the
Sovereign.
@@TheRealFabulousTom another plot hole. He also shouldn't have had the space or time stones since theyve been on earth for awhile. A battle between two being both wielding 3 stones would be worth seeing. Just imagine it. Space, time, mind vs power, soul, reality. It sounds godly.
@@konankunoichi94 It's not a plot hole. Things are different in different universes. scenarios don't all play out the same.
I just went with Ultron-vision being faster/superior to Jarvis-vision. Because our MCU vision has just been very underwhelming so far.
think about it. This suggests infinite universes with different endings in each one. This very specific one simply had the exact ultron on the exact world that had exact stones needed that were stronger than thanos in that exact time. That’s the point of this show, it suggests universes with a time that probably had thanos winning that encounter (probably one where he doesn’t spend an hour talking ab his goals).
Exactly. Is literally called “What If” for a reason. People are just cry babies always wanting exactly what they want.
I just don't like the fact that the mind stone's laser is so powerful in this version. In main timeline mcU Thanos' body although is not indestructible still can withstand a lot, while vIsion's laser combined with Thor's thunder and iron man's blast barely melted Ultron's vibranium body after few seconds. Thanos' body shouldnt be gone through like a butter like this by the same laser.
@Just a moment
to be fair ultron could always upgrade its power though more tech since his goal is killing
i mean he killed the avengers who should of plenty of tech to steal off them
@@chongwillson972 meh stop defending writers actions
@@josueztheiii9089 stop the saltiness just because your boy got obliterated easily
The director's response to this moment in What If is the perfect example of the beauty of possibilities and probability and that's why I love the What If series. Mainline MCU got lucky with their heroic timeline and ending but What If shows exactly what can happen in the existence of a multiverse, that any change in any singular possible moment can result in anything. I love What If & the possibilities it displays. Simple as that.
Well each "What If...?" would also have an infinite amount of other universes splintering off from each other. Due to the nature of infinity, there are infinity amounts of universes where Ultron lost to Thanos AND infinity amounts of universes where he killed him like he did here.
Of course this is all mind-boggling and defeats the purpose of narrative storytelling - since it implies that there are infinity amounts of the characters and makes it all pointless. The Watcher could have hired infinity amounts of "Party Thors", for example, all functionally identical yet all from a slightly unique universe. There are infinity amounts of Doctor Strange Supremes or even IG Thanosii that he could have plucked from any point in time.
@@drago939393 Yes that's the whole point of the Multiverse that I already described
On the stones working in multiple Universes, once again. Of course. This was shown in Dr. Strange and explained in Endgame, some just didn’t get it.
_We go back in time to get the stones….Thanos doesn’t have the stones, problem solved._ - Scott
_Nope._ - Professor Hulk.
The Avengers can’t travel back in time to get the stones from the past.
So they travel to alternate universes instead.
The stones Professor Hulk uses are from alternate Universes - he uses them in the “sacred” timeline or main Universe.
Any attempt to understand this as all happening with stones from the same Universe goes right back to what Scott said.
if that were true then the moment you get any stone from the past and bring it to the future- the problem is solved because Thanos never got all the stones, so he never snapped.
[this is the classic single-timeline-time-travel paradox]
So the stones already came from different Universes and were used in the same Universe.
And that is the *one thing* that What if got right. [lots else is wrong]
In episode 9 you see Ultron use his time stone and then Dr. Strange fight back with his. Two stones - two different Universes - both working in the same Universe.
The stones work in every Universe. Always did - in the MCU>
So when Professor Hulk was trying to get the time machine to work and brought back a young Scott then an Elder Scott, these were from alternate timelines?
And when Professor Hulk went to the ancient one to get the time stone and she said that He cane 5 years early and Dr. Strange is a few blocks away from the sanctum operating in the hospital, was this an alternate timeline?
Was Thanos that they fought in Endgame from an alternate timeline?
The avengers got the stones from their main timeline, just an earlier point in time, and if they didn't bring them back to their point in time after the final battle, then the earlier point will become a new alternate timeline in which Thanos will lose (as he won't be able to collect the 6 stones, thus the past becomes the new future as said by Professor Hulk to WarMachine) and the TVA will erase that new alternate timeline.
Remember the events of endgame happened before the break of the sacred timeline into multiple timelines, before the death of Kang.
Main timeline Kang is the one who erased all the alternate timelines when He utilized Alioth to defeat his different versions and made these different timelines into a single one so there are no alternate timelines during the events of endgame as these events happened before Kang's death and the events of What if...! happened after his death.
@@BriareosHecatonchires “brought back the young Scott are these from different timelines”
⬆️ No. This was also explained in the film, and again many didn’t listen and don’t get it.
What happened with Scott is that TIME WAS SENT THRU HIM - he was not sent thru time.
“Is that an alternate timeline” [with the ancient one]
Yes! She even said so. And again….the film explains, the viewer doesn’t listen.
“The Avengers get the stones from their main timeline”
⬆️ Wrong. Already explained why. All you did was ask irrelevant questions that were already answered and then somehow draw a ridiculous conclusion that has nothing to do with your questions.
lol. No wonder you can’t understand the film.
“the main timeline Kang erased all the alternate timelines”
^ What you *leave out:* “I am a time traveler from the 31st century”. Kang did nothing to erase anything prior to that. All the events in the main timeline of he Infinity Saga happened 1000 years before he was born.
It's honestly sad that people are making entire videos defending what was clearly lazy writing to get the fight over as quick as possible
Agreed, Thanos' skin is very hard, that beam could not have cut him in half so easily.
Honestly ultron just shows how humble Thanos was and how he would let the snap decide who lives and who dies, whereas ultra used them to the full capacity to destroy each and everything.
not relative to cutting thanos in half
It's bad writing, Thanos has tanked worse than this with little to no effect. You're telling me that in his War across the cosmos searching for the stones that he never encountered a surprise attack before?
How does something that someone doesn't like always comes down to bad writing? Title of epside is what if ultron won. Its simple. Ultron didn't hesistate, while thanos just stood there.
@@topher3127 I get that the MCU has to dumb down each if their characters for some reason, but this is the equivalent of Superman taking a 50 cal sniper rifle round and being killed because he hesitated and didn't see it coming. It makes no sense, Thanos is absurdly durable even against the stones. This is the same Mad Titan God Killer who took a blow from a fully powered Thor augmented with the power stone and walked away with a bloody lip smiling. It's bad writing, just like the large majority of the power levels in the MCU.
@@N8zPro I am not saying that Thanos is weak by no means. But he stood up against killing machine with the goal to eradicate all life with no remorse. I'm sure Ultron used enough power that he needed to to get the job done. Thanos is invincible, he bleeds just like everything else. Stark showed that. Just on a minor note exactly how strong/durable is Thanos in the comics?
@@topher3127 Thanos is pretty much invulnerable in the comics. Tanks a point blank shot from Blackbolt, a super powered up Thor.
Damn Thanos got owned.