Valiyev is as bent as a $9 note. However, he is a symptom of a greater malaise that is permeating the entire sport, which is that the FIE refereeing structure is systemically corrupt. There are obvious exceptions but the sheer number of really dodgy decisions, especially in sabre of late, has left me in no doubt that the sport is rotten. The biggest surprise is that it has gone on for so long that it's now accepted as normality.
I am a saber referee, but was asked to referee épée for a small championship since there were too many children for only a few epee referees. I almost cried on my way home. I didn't believe that épée referees are not under constant pressure and i was calm during the bouts since there was no controversy. And i couldn't believe i could have been doing this for the same money 😂
He was reffing my teammates pool in junior mens foil. And what i got from my teammate is that he was also just an ahole. Had very weird explanations for touches and when we watched video footage from our phone it was not the way he called them. Ofc hes only human but still
It's been a long time since I practiced saber or foil and am completely lost today on refereeing decisions but if I agree with what you say, it is because there is really a problem because my brain wouldn't be able to see all these coding errors if they weren't so simple.
I was literally just wondering about why there was such a high representation of Uzbek fencers in the later rounds of the recent junior worlds and boom here this video is
Im an epee fencer, so I dont understand the attack rule very well, but I could see that in the instances you showed the Uzbeks shouldn't have had the point
He refereed one of my bouts in a semi-final match at regionals in the US years ago. He kept giving unfair calls to my opponent in the box and it was very apparent that my opponent's coach and him were good friends and they were speaking another language and greeting each other before and after the bout. Uttermost disgust.
There's a clear link between Logvin, Nazlymov and Usmanov. Logvin and Nazlymov campaigned for Usmanov to be elected president of the European Fencing Federation back in 2025. This was mentioned in the Kommersant's coverage of the election at the time (can't seem to add the link to the article without youtube deleting my comment)
if you want justice so much, then why don’t you exhibit fights where Italian, French or Romanian fencers are supported. because as I know you attend all FIE competitions. I’ll give you an example from this year’s World Championships. namely, the battle was among the women's cadet saber. fight between an Uzbek fencer and an Italian fencer. penultimate blow. take a look in case you missed it)))and I can give a dozen more such examples, if you like.
Will be interesting to see if he replies to your comments. He definitely favors France. Also zip about Bauer's influence / power that crosses nation states. They can do no wrong in his eyes. As pure as a new driven snow. LOL! If you don't mind, list all the other matches you had issues with.
I recommend you follow my instagram because I have indeed highlighted instances where Italians, French, Romanians and Hungarians have benefited. I even highlighted recently an incident where an Uzbek fencer lost out. Also, I do not "attend all FIE competitions" and the fact you would make such an assumption devalues your otherwise valid point.
@@SlicerSabre I am not on Instagram. So why not do feature RUclips videos about them? Side notes: Other than USA Fencing, what other major fencing federations (have made official complaints) are involved in these latest (yes latest) saber refereeing controversies, that you and other Internet Influencers are making RUclips videos about? What about Christine Bauer? He worked for the Russian Fencing Federation for years (also French, Italian and Chines Federations). By the way as of February this year Bauer is also Iranian National Saber Team coach. You can search the following. Who is with Bauer in the photo? Christian Bauer Named Iran’s Sabre Coach TEHRAN (Tasnim) - French coach Christian Bauer was named the Iran national team sabre coach. February, 10, 2024 - 12:42
@@steveheck4348I was replying to the original commenter. Look, I'm sure like everyone, I have biases. Making RUclips videos takes a lot of time and effort, maybe I will make a video covering the concerns you have raised, but even then maybe you will find another case that I haven't and continue to call me biased. Ultimately it is impossible to cover everything. If you want a more complete view of my coverage then I will once again point you towards my Instagram account, which has highlighted many more things than my RUclips, including a case where one of Bauer's fencers had a french referee.
@@SlicerSabre Thank you for the reply. Bauer is coaching fencers from multiple countries. Now he is also the Head Coach of the Iranian National Saber Team (have you mentioned that?). How are referees assigned with all these conflicts of interest? By the way I am not accusing Bauer of anything but just raising questions. Other than USA Fencing have any of the major Fencing Federations filed complaints against the specific people mentioned in your latest video (and other videos and by other Internet Influencers)? Have you tried to interview the accused? Side Note: There has been little transparency in the USA NAC situation. Did the same referee assistance take place in other matches at the competition? When will an official report be made available?
what i am intrigued by is why the competition runners/officials and the DT (directoire de technique i think it is called from memory... and of course my bad french...lol) did not apply the FIE rules... does his FIE qualifications intimidate the officials ? or are the competitions applied differently than they were in australia (nationally) ... (mind you I don't know if they woudl ever do what they should with such controversy and influence...)
I attended the Lima World Cup and witnessed the bouts between Mexico and Korea. We couldn't believe the number of mistakes made by the Valiyev; it was so obvious for that he was helping mexico, which was quite disheartening.
Not only him, not only saber. This thing ALWAYS happens on all levels of fencing: regional, national championships, cups etc. You always find at least 1 former fencer who left the sports because of some referee prefered one from another because he was in a good relation with coach. Imo FIE must DO something about referee factor especially on saber. Not a couple changes in rules but a whole review of saber refereeing
This is also the sabre problem, the referee should decide who won more than half of touches. Very random and stupid rules. Epee much better in this, everything is clear and fair
It's an underlying game design problem with the sport of sabre, there should be incentive to do something other than run to the middle. Fix that and there won't be as many grinding actions in the first place, which is better both for competitors and spectators.
*Me without understanding a single thin about ffencing points and barely seeing who touched who with the sword first*: Hmmm yes. Uzbekistan is so corrupt its destroying fencing
I've seen at least 10 bouts where FIKRAT blatantly cheated for some of his favored fencers. I know first hand that he gets "under the table" money for helping these fencers.
I don’t know why you keep reiterating that there is a lack of smoking gun What do you want an admission from these people? It is clear as day and you should not feel you have to pull your words on this subject.
This atrocities are nothing! Come to India! You will see live how most of the refrees openly and without any hesitation mark their decision in the favour of their choices !😅😅
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brother, you haven’t seen how they judge at our local competitions. )))
Local comps here, they might as well have the winner named at the beginning of the tourny and let everyone open fencing for two hours to save hassle
Valiyev is as bent as a $9 note. However, he is a symptom of a greater malaise that is permeating the entire sport, which is that the FIE refereeing structure is systemically corrupt. There are obvious exceptions but the sheer number of really dodgy decisions, especially in sabre of late, has left me in no doubt that the sport is rotten. The biggest surprise is that it has gone on for so long that it's now accepted as normality.
Yes he's ABSOLUTELY corrupt...
This is why I prefer epee…
I am a saber referee, but was asked to referee épée for a small championship since there were too many children for only a few epee referees.
I almost cried on my way home. I didn't believe that épée referees are not under constant pressure and i was calm during the bouts since there was no controversy. And i couldn't believe i could have been doing this for the same money 😂
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Refs in our country dont even know the rules
He was reffing my teammates pool in junior mens foil. And what i got from my teammate is that he was also just an ahole. Had very weird explanations for touches and when we watched video footage from our phone it was not the way he called them. Ofc hes only human but still
Adhd, gots me studying Fencing, this week. This should be interesting.
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It's been a long time since I practiced saber or foil and am completely lost today on refereeing decisions but if I agree with what you say, it is because there is really a problem because my brain wouldn't be able to see all these coding errors if they weren't so simple.
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I was literally just wondering about why there was such a high representation of Uzbek fencers in the later rounds of the recent junior worlds and boom here this video is
Im an epee fencer, so I dont understand the attack rule very well, but I could see that in the instances you showed the Uzbeks shouldn't have had the point
Great job ty, we all agree i think on how rotten those institutions are
He refereed one of my bouts in a semi-final match at regionals in the US years ago. He kept giving unfair calls to my opponent in the box and it was very apparent that my opponent's coach and him were good friends and they were speaking another language and greeting each other before and after the bout. Uttermost disgust.
There's a clear link between Logvin, Nazlymov and Usmanov. Logvin and Nazlymov campaigned for Usmanov to be elected president of the European Fencing Federation back in 2025. This was mentioned in the Kommersant's coverage of the election at the time (can't seem to add the link to the article without youtube deleting my comment)
what can I search to find the article? or could you DM it to me?
i cant see a single touch im so confused
Love the comment shout out 😂
Least corrupt fencing ref
Yesss he is CORRUPT
if you want justice so much, then why don’t you exhibit fights where Italian, French or Romanian fencers are supported. because as I know you attend all FIE competitions. I’ll give you an example from this year’s World Championships. namely, the battle was among the women's cadet saber. fight between an Uzbek fencer and an Italian fencer. penultimate blow. take a look in case you missed it)))and I can give a dozen more such examples, if you like.
Will be interesting to see if he replies to your comments. He definitely favors France. Also zip about Bauer's influence / power that crosses nation states. They can do no wrong in his eyes. As pure as a new driven snow. LOL! If you don't mind, list all the other matches you had issues with.
I recommend you follow my instagram because I have indeed highlighted instances where Italians, French, Romanians and Hungarians have benefited. I even highlighted recently an incident where an Uzbek fencer lost out.
Also, I do not "attend all FIE competitions" and the fact you would make such an assumption devalues your otherwise valid point.
@@SlicerSabre I am not on Instagram. So why not do feature RUclips videos about them? Side notes: Other than USA Fencing, what other major fencing federations (have made official complaints) are involved in these latest (yes latest) saber refereeing controversies, that you and other Internet Influencers are making RUclips videos about? What about Christine Bauer? He worked for the Russian Fencing Federation for years (also French, Italian and Chines Federations). By the way as of February this year Bauer is also Iranian National Saber Team coach. You can search the following. Who is with Bauer in the photo?
Christian Bauer Named Iran’s Sabre Coach
TEHRAN (Tasnim) - French coach Christian Bauer was named the Iran national team sabre coach.
February, 10, 2024 - 12:42
@@steveheck4348I was replying to the original commenter.
Look, I'm sure like everyone, I have biases. Making RUclips videos takes a lot of time and effort, maybe I will make a video covering the concerns you have raised, but even then maybe you will find another case that I haven't and continue to call me biased. Ultimately it is impossible to cover everything.
If you want a more complete view of my coverage then I will once again point you towards my Instagram account, which has highlighted many more things than my RUclips, including a case where one of Bauer's fencers had a french referee.
@@SlicerSabre Thank you for the reply. Bauer is coaching fencers from multiple countries. Now he is also the Head Coach of the Iranian National Saber Team (have you mentioned that?). How are referees assigned with all these conflicts of interest? By the way I am not accusing Bauer of anything but just raising questions. Other than USA Fencing have any of the major Fencing Federations filed complaints against the specific people mentioned in your latest video (and other videos and by other Internet Influencers)? Have you tried to interview the accused? Side Note: There has been little transparency in the USA NAC situation. Did the same referee assistance take place in other matches at the competition? When will an official report be made available?
So disgusting to see.
what i am intrigued by is why the competition runners/officials and the DT (directoire de technique i think it is called from memory... and of course my bad french...lol) did not apply the FIE rules... does his FIE qualifications intimidate the officials ?
or are the competitions applied differently than they were in australia (nationally) ... (mind you I don't know if they woudl ever do what they should with such controversy and influence...)
banger
Does the FIE look at the background of the refs like what clubs they’re in and what countries they are from? Or is this guy just a exception 🤨
I attended the Lima World Cup and witnessed the bouts between Mexico and Korea. We couldn't believe the number of mistakes made by the Valiyev; it was so obvious for that he was helping mexico, which was quite disheartening.
Not only him, not only saber. This thing ALWAYS happens on all levels of fencing: regional, national championships, cups etc. You always find at least 1 former fencer who left the sports because of some referee prefered one from another because he was in a good relation with coach. Imo FIE must DO something about referee factor especially on saber. Not a couple changes in rules but a whole review of saber refereeing
This is disgusting.
like Glonek POL vs Sanzo ITA in 2008 - the ref was paid very well to make sure Sanzo will win
This is also the sabre problem, the referee should decide who won more than half of touches. Very random and stupid rules. Epee much better in this, everything is clear and fair
Hahaha... and some says Sports is the only clean thing in this world.... Some people born one day can talk the next....
Looked like an E10 to me
Man... the Uzbekian fencing mafia is too wild
The world just let these worm do whatever they want and do nothing about it?
the grinding actions shouldn't be split on such fine hand movements. just call them a draw
that was the way it was but somewhere at sometime somebody said no more simos
It's an underlying game design problem with the sport of sabre, there should be incentive to do something other than run to the middle. Fix that and there won't be as many grinding actions in the first place, which is better both for competitors and spectators.
Hella hella corrupt
*Me without understanding a single thin about ffencing points and barely seeing who touched who with the sword first*: Hmmm yes. Uzbekistan is so corrupt its destroying fencing
I've seen at least 10 bouts where FIKRAT blatantly cheated for some of his favored fencers. I know first hand that he gets "under the table" money for helping these fencers.
I'd love to hear more about this
I don’t know why you keep reiterating that there is a lack of smoking gun
What do you want an admission from these people?
It is clear as day and you should not feel you have to pull your words on this subject.
This atrocities are nothing!
Come to India! You will see live how most of the refrees openly and without any hesitation mark their decision in the favour of their choices !😅😅