Ontario NDP removes Sarah Jama from caucus after Israel-Hamas comments
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2023
- Ontario NDP leader Marit Stiles says she has removed rookie legislator Sarah Jama from caucus.
Stiles says the member for Hamilton Centre, who has been under fire for comments about the Israel-Hamas conflict, made what Stiles calls “a number of unilateral actions” that have undermined the party’s collective work and broken the trust of her colleagues.
Jama spoke this morning in the legislature against a motion to censure her for a statement she made on the conflict between Israel and Hamas.
She said Premier Doug Ford’s government is targeting her to distract from its own scandals, and also said that governments and institutions in Canada are trying to use their voice and weight to silence people who support Palestinians.
Colin D'Mello reports.
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Where is Jagmeet........ This is a travesty, an embarassment, to the NDP AND ITS VALUES
He's not in the Ontario NDP.
I am glad the NDP has shown their true color. This party will not get my vote.
Same they are bot leftists, they're just another neoliberal party
It’s odd that the NDP, who is eager to smear and libel the Jewish state, censured rape and murder denier and virulent Antisemite Jama.
Good for you, Sarah.
The NDP has lost all resemblance to a political party
Calling for a cease fire and for humanitarian aid is a crime?
Shame on all of them.
crime?? was she arrested??
I live in Alberta I always vote for NDP no more now I'll go independent ❤
There is nothing wrong with what she said. So is the NDP against a ceasefire? Is the NDP against peace?
The left/liberals started censorship. Now you're getting a dose of your own. It's truly amazing to watch.
She claimed that Israel is apartheid, refused to condemn Hamas, etc. I believe it is lots of wrong.
She took her place in NDP as a chance to continue her fight against Israel.
myop she spoke out of the chain of command during wartime and like a local that does not read a map, the Federal Govt has the RT to handle the details of when and if the C word shall be mentioned to a Hebrew in their State of War it is not EXodus 32:27 yet, but never bother a H while they handle their own State
she is local to ontario asking a premier to do what ONLY the PM and the foreign minister can legally do and that is unHEARD (amber alert of.
if the nazis were killing the whomever, U do not call out for the use of the C word! u find the nazis first and then U C word them into being dead.
Look, she can go outside and attend anti israeli events all legal But when she used her local seat to demand the Premier (i do not even like the guy, but it is NOT the premier's call to demand the use of the C word
IN roman days the word "PEACE" was not allowed to be spoken death was the punishment after many Christians found out the white roman's laws about NOT using the P word IT was too late for many Christians so do not use the C word not even Hebrew atheist lesbians r using the C word
if u use the C word around one of them IDF females, they might take it as an act of War so be aware of where Not to use the C word.
@@johnbeechy This is the Ontario govt, not the Federal govt.
Why is she for ceasefire till the hostages are not released. Israel is trying to get the hostages back.
Never voting NDP.
It shows on you....
Jama has the right to defend herself
She does, but she also has to take the consequences of her actions....and given that she's a terrorist sympathizer, I don't feel sad for her at all.
@@ecall1771only the electorate has a right to silence an elected official. Everything else is pure fascism
@@ecall1771 Palestinians have been terrorized, abused and imprisoned for decades. They deserve to be free and living in their own state on their own land, without discrimination. No state should be only for people of one religion, discriminating against people of other religions or no religion.
by rules of the party members are not supposed to use their office to demand (the_) Premier to do something he has no business doing
the PM, the foreign minister, have the RT to talk to the State of Israel and only them can decide when it is Ok to mention the C word
there r many female IDF that might take the use of the C word as an act of war
in roman days, the word "PEACE" was banned and not allowed to be used
Christians had to learn to stop saying 'peace to u brother' too many Christians died due to the use of the P word
she has a rt to go outside and even attend anti israeli marches but she can not use her office to demand the premier to do a THING that only the PM or the FM can do
the hamas watch and they wait for division and u clearly are on the dividing side of the Bedmas Left side but in the middle of the word BEDMAS
and she also has the right to be kicked out of the NDP
NDP got no balls for nothin
It’s spelled. Fo nothin
@@cormacgreene8505Maybe 🤔 n gutter slang it is........
Respect to Sarah for her honesty
Well, asking for water electricity and cessation of hostilities is not wrong... it is the need of the hour, why NDP whom I used to think as the progressive party would treat her like this.
Ontario opposition party has NO business demanding Premier Ford to do what is the Job 3:14 of the Foreign Minister and the PM
the women of the ex ndp would have wanted usa State Govs to inject their words, all while the hamas track the words and know the weakness of a lack of unity in the chain of command of a foreigner
Don't be hateful.
This is left wing logic and you're confused by it.
@@ZenCorvus who is hateful.. We are for humanity.
Wrong on so many levels.. Hamas is a Federal Problem..
@@liberalManifesto68no you are not.. thhat has been fifured out.. 90 % of humanity wont allow you on.. and this is why...
Jama has the same rights , to her opinion, to defend herself as we all do.
Defend terrorist?
actually, she signed an oath to the Party to follow the rules of decorum and a local to the region of ontario resident has No real business using her local Ontario office to dictate foreign policy
CDNs know we only got to decide our foreign policy after world war one
Look, she can go outside of the building and speak her opinion she can Join a march and speak at that |March's event But she can not legally use her seat of office for |policies that can not nor should be handled by the locals in Ontario
the feds have jurisdiction on wording and when words will suggest a C word be used
Hamas are watching reading not only my account, but yours too so act like the enemy is reading your thoughts and try not to show all your cards
God Bless and enjoy the show it is quite Telling
You're right she does... and when you offer an opinion which clearly states your support for Hamas while also having complete disdain for Canada as a country and calling it merely a "colonial settler system" (that she'd be more than happy to dismantle). You reap what you sow. Now she is out of public office, out of a tax payer funded salary which she won't make 1/8th of in the private sector and can spend the rest of her years in obscurity as she should. Good riddance.
How is she out of a tax payer funded salary?
@@borninkaraj
Regardless of my personal opinion about that conflict but you have to educate yourself about the matter before speaking!!!!
We have more than enough internal issues to resolve before focusing on other issues to defend!!!
So now we know what the NDP DOES support. Her overall statements were also given by the UN. So now we find out the the NDP opposes the UN.
Never voting ndp
So ford believes he was merely expressing his opinion as he is allowed to do but will censure another for doing the same.
Exactly. That's how conservatives roll.
I vote Conservative and I'm absolutely ashamed of Doug Ford for this. She can be kicked out of the party for not toeing the party line, sure, but forbidding a democratically elected member from speaking in the chamber is appalling behaviour, especially when Ford is guilty of flinging the muck. Also, like you said, like Ford, she has the right to free expression online. She never said anything anti-Semitic, she said she wants a ceasefire and food and supplies for Palestinians. That wasn't support for Hamas, that was basic necessities for Palestinians. I'm disgusted with the Ontario PC's. I won't be voting in the next provincial election.
That's the definition of madness
@@squatch545That's strange it was the NDP who kicked her out of the party not the Conservatives. Guess facts don't matter much.
@@bikingD That's strange, it was Ford that the OP was talking about, and which I replied to about.
Guess reading comprehension doesn't matter.
Silly woman. She, as a politician, should know that our masters do not tolerate Free Speech in canada anymore! This is what happens to anyone who Dares to express their own personal opinions!
Really didn't she threaten to sue Doug Ford for his free speech? Guess that's ok though because you agreed with what she said.
@@bikingD it’s defamatory not free speech when you accused someone for something that’s not true.
I hope she sues Doug. I will NEVER vote for him or the ndp
So thhat leaves the liberals..??? JUST DONT VOTE THEN... FFS..
It’s odd that the NDP, who appear to many as champions of the marginalized, censured one of its actual champions. Who are we if our humanitarians are silenced by the NDP? 😢
It’s odd that the NDP, who is eager to smear and libel the Jewish state, censured rape and murder denier and virulent Antisemite Jama.
She should play the racist card, after all this time is true.
I see no problem with Sara Jama denouncing the actual indiscriminate terrorist Israel attack on the Gaza Strip. Her only BIG mistake here was to not, at the same time, condemn Hamas's terrorist attack and their history of targeting Israeli civilians (Maybe she did ?). So far, we see two terrorist States at work. Also, let’s not forget the historically, well-known, terrible treatment of the Palestinian people from Israel. They should be both condemned for their actions. Hamas needs to be removed and punished for their crimes, and Israel has yet to prove that they care about the countless innocent lives that are and will be lost under their siege. Israel, at least, NEEDS to establish evacuation corridors and allow the movement of the necessities of life like water, food, fuel and humanitarian help. If Israel continues to not comply with international laws by showing a complete lack of humanity, Canada, and the US, should distance themselves from any military aid in this conflict.
She said she didn’t think those women were raped. Hamas is an Iranian terrorist group who want Israel deleted and a caliphate in its place. It’s Hamas, it’s always even Hamas.
Now they are calling for a ceasefire 😂😂😂
Glad I didnt vote for them for first time in over 25 years
Sarah Jama, it is the hardest thing to do to stand alone and tell the truth. I guess it shames the people who hide from the truth or who have sold out or who chose to turn away from the truth to save their own necks. You are a hero Sarah Jama. You have my support.
She has been silenced right in front of our eyes.
Good.
That's the ndp position to censor people.
No, her employer has a right as well to action her comments. She had every right to express herself but not to exempt herself from consequences
What happened Freedom of Speech? The Trudeau government can said stand with Israel but she cant even said ceasefire and show humanity. What’s going on Canada?
Ndp don't support free speech.
At All. No one's.
Freedom of speech is dead in the water. No one (except Trudeau and other powered hungry leaders it seems) has this right anymore. Even Liberals and NDP supporters can't say anything they want, as shown in this video.
Nothing just we said NO for Hamas
@@duringtheday5246 show some compassion to the innocent Palestinians especially those children.
Gods "chosen" people controling the narrative.
How the hell can they take the speaking right away an elected MPP?
Because fascism is here...now.
This is appalling!
She's an MPP. There are rules.....and taking a stand against our ally will and should certainly get you into trouble, specially when it's against party lines. She understood this when she chose to enter politics, no victim card there to play.
She's out of the party, not out of the Legislature. Caucus can have different meanings apparantly but they can't kick her out of her seat, only the party.
@@ecall1771 rules and party lines will destroy democracy....
Stating that it’s wrong to put innocent people under siege for the actions of extremism’s - that really seems pretty benign. And why isn’t she entitled to her opinion? And why are the NDP - supposedly the party of the common people ,the workers, the disadvantage - punishing her so harshly? What she said was hardly even controversial.
Why doesn’t the NDP send her over to gaza one way flight there and she can protest all she wants and tell the world what she wants.
How does she have a “ history with antisemitism “.? As jama is a black woman wouldn’t she be experiencing racism of some form too. Anti black racism.
wow is this happening in my country canada? Thats it i am not voting for yhe NDP anymore wow,
Good for her. Everything she said made sense. She was speaking about protecting the Palestinian civilians, not Hamas. She wasn't condoning anything done by the terrorists that attacked the music festival. She wants to get aid to the people. There are rules to war, like it or not. Side with Israel or be silenced and cancelled.
She refused to denounce Hamas. Simple. She exposed herself as a Jew hater.
Honestly it's sad with what this world is coming to its like they want us to think no innocent ppl in Gaza
Or just side for humanity and stop dogwhistling to antisemites. Palestinian life is with the same as Israeli life. No exception.
@@anthonymorris5084 You refuse to denounce Israel even after their attacks killed dozens. Thats exposes you as an arab hater. You see how silly that is?
You mean the people who were dancing in the streets in support of Hamas butchering civilians ? The people who have put terrorists as their leaders for decades ? those civilians ?
We must stop dehumanizing one another.
We need to stop censuring one another.
@@squatch545 yes, I agree. That’s part of dehumanizing someone. We do have new rules (trc calls to action) to prevent this. Canada seems eager to undermine our own rules to address the dehumanizing nature of colonialism.
This is leftist logic to ban censor etc.
She is receiving the treatment her party does on everyone
Yes, she must stop Hating Jews, not her first incidence to post Anti-Semetic Rhetoric. Good Riddance...
Sarah Jama did nothing wrong.
How do people like Sarah Jama become candidates for public office in Canada?. The NDP need to have higher standards for candidates. At least they removed her from the caucus. Centuring her was the proper thing to do. Doug Ford has nothing to apologize to her for.
Miss Jama, I respect you because you expressed your right to freedom of speech and I definitely don’t respect your leader.
The free people need to boycott the system and start a system of their own.
I'm gonna vote independent from nom now on bye bye NDP I used to vote NDP since Jack Leyton but no More
The day we allow the acceptance of murder of innocents in any form is the day we give up our humanity and so we do not accept any sly words which twist evil into seemingly rightful actions. Go away.
"The Onion Stands With Israel Because It Seems Like You Get In Less Trouble For That"
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The government is about representing the people, not spewing your personal beliefs, and pretending to be persecuted. If you cant be professional, why would they keep you? I dont like NDP, but you cant blame them.
Why the NDP does not condemn the Israeli occupation and the Apartheid regime and the killing of innocent civilians men women and children.
@@WahidKhawajaBecause they're not antisemetic
So you're against free speech too?
You think this government is representative of the people 😂😂😂
Where representing the people means supporting the apartheid regime of the atrocities by Isreal against the Palestinians?. If you have ever cringed at the at the crimes committed against the Jews by the Germans and you support what is being done by Isreal against the Palestinians, then I sincerely wonder your condemnation of Jama.
Supporting & allowing Israel to do what they want with impunity to commit crimes against humanity won't serve Western interests in the Middle East. What's the evidence that giving unconditional support to Israel will make the West safer and more prosperous?
OMG! another Woker who doesn't' understand the Middle East.... CANADA STANDS WITH ISRAEL!
At least we can agree on this all, Liberals on this occasion, saying unity but didn't show unity in the vote. Time for the US Democrats to do the same in their rank.
Isreal is not obligated to follow the internationally agreed upon ". Rules of war. ". Nobody knows why. 😅
Cus those rules were set so only Western players can win and now since the victim is not a western country...well the west ignore the rules they made up. As it no longer benefits the colonial war lords.
Good point....
@@juditszabo8751 Stranger still the rules of war were adopted because of the way Jews were treated in WW2. Oddly similar to the way the Jews are dealing with the Gazzans.
I know why... Because 'murica.
@@Tym79 Your God damn rite ..Murica!
This Ontario NDP is way more performative than practical.
Stiles and the rest are excellent at giving Doug Ford the backing he needs to silence progressives.
"said that governments and institutions in Canada are trying to use their voice and weight to silence people who support Palestinians."
Well ,they just proved her point.
Hamas supporters are not silenced in Canada. They are screaming loud and often.
Exactly!
Nom they just want to keep islamo-fascists out of our politics.
She said she didn’t think those women were raped and that’s why they removed her. Stop lying.
Israel has the right to defend itself, and Palestine needs to be free of Islam and Hamas!
"If you want to know who govern over you, look at whom you cannot criticize". we do know, now, who really control our political class.
@@verar5844ZOG
She is a elected official and a voice of her voters ...Who cares about your team your supposed to speak for your voters as she is ..
Freedom, eh. What a joke
Who said Canada had freedom of speech in their parliament
NDP lost my vote over this.
You don't look like an NDP voter to begin with.
@@titusmccarthy Really, what does an NDP voter look like? What a ridiculous, assinine comment on your part. I have always voted NDP. Not now.
At least she is not a stooge unlike those stooges.
Because she sides with terrorists that kidnapped people. Killed people and babies. Like seriously what did people think was going to happen after they attacked Israel? It would be like me hitting Mike Tyson then I get upset that he put me on my backside. Like Wow for real.
@@bikingD😂 exactly
(1) Silly that she would be ejected for her opinions, (2) Silly that an MPP would virtue signal when provincial legislatures don't do foreign policy. Silly times for silly people.
Send her to Gaza be done with it and stop wasting our time and money
I see a bold and courageous lady in the Hall. (She is standing for humanity,where lot of people in power have lost it 😢).
Hate speech is not standing for humanity.
@@anthonymorris5084where was that hateful? Nowhere. She just stayed the facts.
@@anthonymorris5084 And sympathizing with terrorists isn't standing for humanity either.
Israel is not occupying Palestine, The Land of Israel. Israel agreed to partition its land. Arabs refused and started the war. This is the concept that Jama spreads.
@@ecall1771 People fighting for their human rights are labeled terrorists until they succeed.
But,....she is right
We know who's side you'd be in WW2
NDP is a total disgrace
I think the outcome is better for all involved ... the NDP can continue as usual, and Sarah can continue on as she wishes ...
HELP SARA JAMA AND HER FIGHT FOR GAZA HELP SEND HER TO GAZA WHERE HER FIGHT CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR HER PEOPLE AND HELP TO EDUCATE HER AND HER PEOPLE WHO CANADA IS AND WHAT CANADIAN PEOPLE STAND FOR PEACE RESPECT FREEDOM RIGHT'S FROM DICTATORSHIP LEADER'S CAUSING WAR CANADA CAN'T SAVE GAZA HOWEVER WE HELP WITH HUMANITY AID
Why are they wearing masks?
She could have worn a burka..
This is what's wrong with democracy. It relies in the majority of people. Individuals are smart. People are stupid
If she was in the ME she could not even be in the parliament, she would be in some tents
and now she's barely in Parliament so really what's the difference between their leadership and ours.
@ting280 the difference is Canada gave her an opportunity, but she wants to turn Canada into another Iran. When she decides to come here, enjoy the values here not support terrorism .
Brave girl Jama...all the best for your future.
Literally left wing logic to cancel her
Sarah, you are brave and courageous. Had you said otherwise, you would have been praised. The world has reached new levels of hypocrisy these days.
Even though i have always been a staunch supporter of the NDP - le NPD, i am so profoundly disappointed in Ontario NDP leader Marit Stiles for expelling Hamilton Centre, ON MPP Sarah Jama from the party caucus.
@@E-the.islander i will say that Jama has been sympathetic toward the collective plight of the Palestinians who reside in the occupied territories.
@@1ab830 GIVE ME A BREAK!
Nobody acknowledges the NDP
Don't Vote for NDP
Kama needs to be out of government period.
respect Sarah Jama
Canada losing its value
She should be removed from Provincial Legislature!
Wow silencing a MP about as non democratic as it gets. votes over morals for many.
She lost her position in the NDP, and lost her privilege to speak in the Ontario legislature..BUT she gain her DIGNITY!!!
Keep telling yourself that.
Seeing a lot of people on here complaining about freedom of speech. It’s funny how I didn’t see this much outrage during the pandemic. Shoes on the other foot now and the consequences of silencing your opponents is they will wield that same power against you
Bingo.
Wait, did this MPP single-handedly blockade the economic centre of the national capital? Impressive.
It’s ok to show support to Israel but it’s crime to ask for food and water for Palestinians
Exactly. This is what they call antisemitism nowadays. Crazy!
An absolute goofball
It shows there so a right to speak your belief
She didn't speak her belief. She read a prepared statement from a laptop
Now that Sarah Jama is an Independent, I'm sure she'll now have more time to use her experience, talent and social media skills to help establish a democratic style of government in Gaza with strong independent institutions of justice, similar to Ontario's. You know, the style of government that allowed her to be elected and to represent Hamilton. The hope is that Gazans will eventually be able to elect officials in a free, fair and transparent election that is devoid of intimidation and coercion. It will be officials that are actually accountable for their actions, and can be voted out if the people of Gaza believe they do not serve the interests of the people. Unfortunately, none of that is possible with Hamas. That's why I find it the pinnacle of irony that Sarah Jama would criticize Israel (a free democratic country), and yet would seem to support Hamas.
Israel is a democracy only if it practices apartheid (and it is apartheid, per the UN, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch) against the majority of the population.
Also it's an absolutely stupid opinion you have, if a elected member speaks up for the rights of an oppressed people, then they should go live among them and be elected there too? Did you say the same thing to politicians who stood up for Ukrainians (which had a corrupt government)? If they speak up for Ukrainians then they should go participate in their corrupt government??? Or do you only apply this logic to people whose skin color you don't like...
Much respect Sara Jama. You don’t play games with your words like all these politicians. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
why they are being freed....... see u can read and infer that a few ways as well
Can't believe people don't see that Hamas is the government of Gaza. A ceasefire would be giving Hamas room to rebuild
That doesn't even make sense.
Palestinians should have their own country. Why should they live in an Israeli prison?
People see exactly what is happening and has been happening for decades. War is not the solution, only innocent people pay the price. Palestinians have a right to exist just as Israelis do.
What an ongoing and horrible situation. Where are the adults? Maybe we should let the kids decide, I guarantee you they could find a solution.
Arab already got 22 states, occupying 99% of lands of Ottoman Empire. They are not entitled to all Middle East lands.
Arabs built prisons for themselves, without democracy or freedom. That is not Israeli fault.
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth 👄 speaks…….a house devised within itself cannot stand….. watch and pray…. There is more to come…..
devised is some sort of creation Divided is the more likely word u sought to flair your imagination with //
I ask and times pass and asking works depends on the what is asked have a good one and enjoy the show it is quite telling
More power to Sara Jama, she is standing on the right side of the history.
totally
Supporting Hamas is not on the right side of history.
go educate yourself@@DatabaseMan100
@@tona998 you should educate yourself. There's a video of her calling Hamas liberators on RUclips. There's another one of her calling for the end of Israel.
suggest you educate yourself about the subject @@NicodemusT
Jama constituents: "help! we're dying of high rents and grocery prices!"
Jama: "lol no international politics first"
Dying of high rents? And you expect somebody NOT in the government to be able to do something about that?
People lives matter! Lots of people are dying, and you can only think about yourself unless it happening to you .rent get another job ... people cant get another life.
Gazans should off thought better before they voted for Hamas. Hamas promised them a war with Israel, now they've got the war.
@@user-jp5nc8zf7m oh high rents aren't a problem all of a sudden? She's not elected on the international stage. She's elected on the local level. Do your job or STFU. If you don't understand government - just say that. There's no precident here - MPPs aren't UN ambassadors.
@@user-jp5nc8zf7m Her constituents sent her to the provincial legislature. You don't make foreign policy at the provincial legislature. You don't go rogue against your own caucus. You don't inflame a situation.
Well done NDP. Now get united to remove Trudeau and ur federal leader
Her defamation lawsuit got a lot stronger now
Jama's views are the same as Hamas with regards to Israel.
NDP made a respectable act of separating itself from an extremist. Respect to NDP for doing that.
Yes, the Amnesty International is extremist too, and everyone who says "Palestinian people"....
Why Kanada , hu ???????
Because it's not Gaza.
Her statement was pretty much what Amnesty international and the UN have on their websites....so
She calls the original people colonizers...just utter madness.
She defended a brutal terrorist attack.
I must have missed that in her comments.
@@junehodsdon8037making her statement on October 7th says it clearly
@@junehodsdon8037 The comments were prompted by the attacks. Not much later in a call for proportionality with Israel's response to the murders and hostages.
This is prove for free speech 🤥🤥🤥
Sarah Jama is a brave lady, she hasn’t done anything wrong, she spoke for oppressed Palestinians
hats off Sarah!!!
she can speak outside and speak at anti israeli meetings but she can not legally use her seat in the House to demand the Ford do what he can not do
Ford has no business using the C word to the Israelis ONLY the PM, or the foreign minister, possesses the Chain of Command Duty to speak to foreign govts
She used her seat to show division among CDNs and the hamas r watching all the comments
the use of the C word with so many female IDF might start a war, just with the females of the IDF many many idf hate the C word and during a time of war too
ha ha😂😂😂
She held the high ground...Shame on the Canadian government
I won't be voting for NDP anymore. they literally punish her for stating the truth and doing the right thing.
RACIST WOMAN
Such a strong girl who stand her moral values that’s why she was removed from the dirty politics but she’s a person who can sleep with her choice’s at night…. Good protect your beautiful sole you have ❤ … free Palestine 🇵🇸
This is how the NDP loses votes.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Free Palestine from Hamas.
Wow, that's the first thing that the NDP did that's principled since the early days of Bob Rae. Normally the NDP all all over supporting radical groups, so this is a genuine surprise to me.
They have a history of antisemitism so were probably more sensitive to this.
Well she should be deported.
After you
@@celiajames600 I’m leaving on my own, Sail down to New Zealand every winter, it’s safer in the South Pacific.
To where? She's Canadian.
@@A-ds1mt It’s an Illusion.
Jeez🙄