Synth Battle! - Moog Sub Phatty vs. Korg Monologue
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👆 Jack puts the Moog Sub Phatty head-to-head against the Korg Monologue. Is it a knock-out for one of these? We find out!
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Some say he can imitate the mating call of a mitsubishi industrial robot. Others say he lives on a diet of bovril only. All we know is, he’s called Jack.
You're getting quite good at this now.
uve watched too many topgears bruv
Hey, turn korg volumes up
Was going to say the same. The sound is almost the same between the two besides the volume.
Clearly the guy knows both pieces of tech pretty well, other than volume adjustment. :^)
Rustam Mazhidov I’m pretty sure it’s either the filter overdrive making the output hotter on the sub Phatty or its output it just hotter in general.
I have a Minilogue and Subphatty, sadly when the Minilogue is as loud as it can possible go, my Sub Phatty is only up a smidge and it blows away in volume
Watch the whole video, he turns up the volume after a few minutes
D K you are funny.
People are commenting that there are volume differences and whatnot, but I think this vid is a most fantastic comparison. I own both synths, and this really captures what it's like to have both of them in your quiver and jump back and forth between them for what they can each do. I'm a Moog fanboy, but its sweet, syrupy roundness turns into flab in some sections. The Korg is a bit cynical, but it's a galactic robot soldier. Korg can't be Moog, Moog can't be Korg, both are very musical.
Cynical like a galactic robot soldier. How is it that I completely understand what you mean?!
It’s quite remarkable how much the Korg holds its own, considering the price difference between the two. Awesome video! Kudos to Jack for being an immensely entertaining and informative demonstrator!
Really? I thought the Moog blew it away. Doesn't help that the output of the Korg is quite a bit less
Kieran Sweeden Imagine if they were properly level matched.
Scxrlet Steele I've got a Model D that I used daily. I have to say, while the Moog has similar voicing, there is an apparentness and immediacy in the Korg that I'm super impressed by. I'd go the Korg between these two in a heartbeat.
@@lawrencegreenwood4002 this comment is exactly the answer I was looking for. I can't afford a Moog and don't like Behringer philosophy, if Korg can get close to Moog for a good price it looks like a solid choice for me
14:38 - Video Starts At
You can transpose -12 from the Monologue Program settings so you can go lower on it too. And also automate both VCO1+2 twelve semitones lower by assigning pitch to the slider. So you can go -24 lower on VCO1 and -36 lower on VCO2 in combination with the pitch knob. PLUS there is a global transpose where you can go another -12 semitones. That's already multiple octaves in the clicks
Oh wow, never noticed! So the menu has all that, right? So if after all that I set my midi keyboard to -2 oct does that mean the elephants are responding in a jungle far far away?
@@zinghao131 Yes and they will march all the way from from the jungle and stomp you while you are eating breakfast.
Already own a Monologue, but if I didn't, I would have bought one after this video.
The Moog is cool, sounds a bit/a lot (depending on what sound you want) better but that doesn't justifify the price for me.
Not to mention the preset memory difference (16 vs 100) and the step sequencer of the Mono, with the glide and motion sequence options you can sketch a bassline within a minute.
I originally planned to sequence the Mono externally, but heck, no need to, no need to at all...
I love my minilogue, haven't tried the monologue yet but I did order a moog sub phatty after this video.
Uriel Ortega the monologue is great for the price. Really great actually. It’s got a limited envelope but with some cool other functions that sorta make up for it. The filter is the big difference. The Monologue can be more punchy but less juicy than a Moog or Roland.
I really like these kinds of videos by Andersons. Keep it up! Jack holds my attention with his playfulness and skills.
I bought the Monologue for its reasonable price and mostly positive reviews. I wanted a mono with a sequencer to contrast my Deepmind 12. I might have gone with a Novation Bass Station or more preferably a Sub Phatty if I'd had the extra cash though. But I'm happy with the monologue for now. Use what you've got I always say but that's mostly to combat my constant GAS!
I picked up a used Monologue a couple months ago for like $150. Definitely worth it. It's a great companion to the Minologue XD.
This video costs me money. I returned my new Monologue and bought a Moog Subfatty.
I own the Monologue and I've really got GAS for the Sub Phatty! The Monologue has the motion sequencer and that's a plus, but the small keys are a pain. HINT: The Korg really shines with the Zoom MS-70 CDR. Of course, so would the MOOG! On a side note, I just got the DSI Prophet Rev.2 -16 a couple of days ago so now I'm learning it. That means the Monologue will be ignore for awhile. But I bet they'll pair nicely eventually.
Korg Monologue every time. For its price it’s the best synth I ever bought. So versatile.
Great video, very entertaining!
I have the Monologue and to me it is an excellent bass machine.
Now I'm even more convinced now you showed us it stands out quite well against the 3x more expensive Moog.
I want to add a few things to your presentation which makes it even better.
I play the Monologue in a setup with a 61 full keys midi keyboard with normal pitchweel which makes it so much more fun to play. Doing so, I discoverd the actual Monologue keyboard doesn't cover the full range of the synth. With a midi keyboard connected, I found out that you can play 2 octaves higher and 9 semitones lower (before the clicking begins), which extends the range considerably.
Something else, you mentioned the DRIVE function on the Moog, but the monologue has a DRIVE function as well, which adds a considerable amount of punch to the sound.
Anyway , I love my little monologue bass machine.
I just ordered the Behringer model D to introduce the Moog sound in my little studio for less than 400 Euro. I'm lookng forward to it but the Monologue stays!
If you flip the monologue over to VCO 2, you can transpose the saw wave to lower octaves and get it way down into the clicks.
Orlando Pergamo And by automating pitch adjustments through the slider you can go an additional -12 on both VCOs
The korg can go lower than that if you tune vco 2 down by a full octave on its lowest setting
You can also get VCO1 an octave lower by going to settings and press the third lit button to access pitch setting and transpose it -12 and both VCO 1 and 2 will go as lowww
I also found that tou can assign VCO1 Pitch or the VCO2 Pitch to the slider so with the combination of first transposing -12 semitones from the pitch setting and if you also automate both VCO1+2 with the slider you get a total of 24 semitones for lower than the lowest octave setting. Those together with the pitch knob is a total of 36 semitones lower for VCO2 :) It will be just clicks then but it can be done.
Yo, so with the saw wave oscillators on the Monologue if you are going for those low notes you should use oscillator 2 because it can actually be tuned 2 octaves below oscillator 2. This is really because korg put the saw wave and triangle wave an octave higher than the square wave on oscillator 1 for some weird reason but I thought itd be a useful tip for anyone who gets one or has one and didnt realize it.
edit: Just double checked and the triangle wave on oscillator 2 can be tuned down to 10hz and the saw wave gets around there as well.
The Monologue does whacky sequences including percussive / melody multitimbral sounding stuff. It's cheap as, it's battery powered and it has a lot of patch save slots.
If I was a keyboardist doing synth bass in a band I'd take the Subsequent. The overall sound to me for that purpose has a leg up on the Monologue
For everything else I personally need I'll gladly stick with the Monologue.
7:39 regular show theme
same key as well haha, just checked
Identical volume settings on the mixer? Does not sound like it?
I like the motion sequencer on the Korg. It's endless fun!
the monologue's saw wavw sounded better. Are you sure the sub-phatty has it's wave shaping parameter set right and that's a pure saw wave? Cuz it sounds waveshaped to me.
FeedMeSeymour At 14:06 you can hear the saw as it should have been from the start
Thanks, yeah I figured that was the issue. Sadly he didn't put it next to the monologue for comparison
I think some Moogs have Saws aren't pure Saws, but are more like Sharktooths (like there's a bit of Squarewave mixed in)
Considering the price, the Korg is pretty darn awesome sounding!!
I like both, both have different tonal qualities. Be like me, like both.
tonalaxis Yes its good to have variation in your tonal pallete.
@7:53 "Let's go down to its lowest point, like I am today" HURGGHH RELATABLE ;V
Friggin died when Jack said this
Hi dudes
Thank you, because with this video, I learned that the Korg should fit my needs just perfectly and I will save a lot of money.
Same for me...only I got the monologue already...Love it!
sold my bass station 2 for a monologue.. like the monologue more and made a profit at the same time. win win
They both sound great but you just can not beat the sweet sound of a Moog ladder filter.
The worst and only negative feature of the monologue in my honest opinion is the E to E keyboard. That's a bit useless and you have to add one more (midi) keyboard to your set up anyway, if you're a "player". A keyboardless version would definitely be worth a swap for me
If your unlucky enough to be a guitar player watching this.... I love watching you guys at Andertons always good for a laugh and some good information too.
Why is that unlucky
I love my VSTs and my Moog Sub Phatty when it comes to bass sounds. I hope I helped.
I was thinking of the monologue - and I’m going to get it tomorrow! Thanks
Korgs have never sounded like Moogs, and Moogs have never sounded like Korgs. Or Roland or Arp or Yamaha or whomever. I think they both sound awesome, honestly. You don't even have to think of it in price brackets. If you want a tighter, punchier bass with a really cool, kind of dry filter, then get the Korg. If you want a more harmonic, warmer, kind of juicier sound, of course, get a Moog. "Horses for courses," right.?. ~shrug~
yobhsiFehT I think the MS20 might be a better competitor to the Sub Phatty since they can both get pretty dirty and low.
Haut Strange Definitely more filter range on an MS20! I think the Monologue actually has more built-in dirt options, but really, I think a big difference maker is just that characteristic, almost-cliche “phatness” that Moogs get! Just different harmonics, I guess, but it does give a sort of intangible “feel” thing that I guess most people take as “better,” but... I dunno, blablabla, I just think it’s subjective and relative to given musical applications lol
yobhsiFehT I’m glad you’re being civil about it. There’s a whole lot of “Moogs are the best” “Nothing can beat the Moog” “Everything else sucks” in the comments section here. You’re totally right. The sound/filter of a certain synth is totally subjective. Between these 2, I prefer the Phatty, but I’d take the MS20 over any other mono besides a Pro One and maybe an SH-101. The MS20s filter is out of this world and having 2 resonant filters give it a set of harmonics that not many other synthesizers can achieve. At the end of the day I’m glad there are so many options so anyone can have whatever sound they like. Cheers! :)
Haut Strange Well, full disclosure, I’m just a dumb singer/guitar player 😉 But from where my analog obsession has gotten me so far, if money were no object, my synth collection would probably have about as much Korg in it as Moog, honestly 🤷🏼♂️ And I hadn’t heard of the Pro One until I saw Behringer was cloning it, and now I SO want one! 😳 lol
They call him Balanced Jack due to the nature of his long runs. (And fair reviews)
These are great, I've loved the sounds from the Monologue since I heard Korg Funk 5 by Aphex ruclips.net/video/hUT01p-C2xo/видео.html
When you gonna show us your B3 organ chops? I mean, you seem to check out a lot of the same gear as Cory Henry demonstrates and you don't hide that you're a fanboy, why not try his main? Just have to wait for a used one to pass through Andertonies?
Did notice the Zombie Nation at 16:52
Speaking of flabby bass, both these keyboards have global transpose settings which, if dropped -12 can go an additional octave lower. So your OSC really gets close to LFO speeds, if you're looking for truly evil bass rumblings!
I think if the levels were more similar it would be a better compassion. Maybe this is fixed later in the vid?
Cool, it was addressed
I prefer the sub phatty. I like how it cuts through more .
Brilliant video for us geeks Jack, not that I needed convincing monologue is on the list!
The Moogs harmonics are much more colorful and pleasing.
The Moog wins but the Korg at one third of the price is a great little synth!
I’ve owned both the Monologue and a Slim Phatty. Honestly they’re pretty close, though the Moog has that extra bit of “jumping out the speaker” quality to it. It almost feels like something you can touch.
That intro... Wow... How many years of practice to freestyle jam like that???
I'm not grilling you for your stand game. But you need to play the Korg while laying down, to really get 'that' Aphex Twin sound.
Jack, I swear to gummy bear Jesus... if you say MOOOOOGE ONE MORE TIME... 😂😂😂
You can make the 2nd Oscillator go to "flappy territory" - then just mix oscillator 1 out
The thing is the price and the purpose... I mean a moog synth dedicated to that fat bass sound, yeah it will be fatter. But the monologue has more to offer in my opinion... I am just getting started on synths, elaborating my beats, but I think, from this video, its just amazing the monologue keeps up so well!
The moog costs more, that's why they turned it's volume up louder.
I like your playing! Keep listening to it! Thumbs up!
Moog: fat sound, Korg: compressed sound
not bad
It's not compressed. Just a different style. Both are better for different things
Give Jack a raise right now
Like the Korg Monologue sound!
Prior to watching this, i sold my sub phatty. Was too heavy, and cost too much for what it gave me. Currently purchased the Monologue at 1/3 the price of the Moog… will let you know what I think once i get it
HAAA you're so funny mate, the way you twist words :grin: thanks for the fun comparison between these great 2 synths. :P
I Love my Monologue. I was looking at the Moog. But the monologue won.
Ultravice it’s actually insane how good it is considering the price. A $300 Korg can easily compete with an $800 Moog. Nuts.
@@HotStrange I use a $49 Korg Monotron live and in recordings, and it can do 80%
of the things a $3000 Moog can do!!!
umpy Goodness Nice! The Monotron series is completely underrated. I think the Delay is one of the best lofi delays available.
@@HotStrange I show off the Monotron (delay) everywhere! (I should be a salesman for Korg, ha ha.) I always make people play with it. I have a Behringer HPA40 battery amp with me at all times, like a purse! This summer I was playing / jamming with people outdoors all over the place. Random strangers! (I really shouldn't be like this though: It'll make my music seem less special if I turn other musicians onto the strange gear i love!)
I should send these to Korg!
MONOTRON SOLO with theatrical hands (very avant and needs editing, but)
ruclips.net/video/r6oStW44jcI/видео.html
MONOTRON / LOOPED-CASIO DUO, "Battlescar Prophylactica"!
(avant hip pop?)
ruclips.net/video/ZGvDB1w1y0M/видео.html
umpy Goodness Those tracks are great! Especially the second one. Right up my alley ;)
Both of those are your tracks?
You really gotta match the volume outputs if you're gonna compare these instruments... Like, measure the DBs.
And once you consider the korgs awesome sequencer and the vast possibilities that it creates, Korg over Moog any day.
Flip the switch by the sequencer led buttons to put it in Motion mode, then record tweaks that play along with your sequence! You can even hold down one of those 16 step buttons and tweak the control with Record turned on and the sequencer stopped to enter motion data per-step.
Bass Station 2 or even the Micro Brute have more balls than the monologue. If you feed a volca bass into the external input of the monologue, it really helps, but then you might as well have bought a Bass Station 2.
Impressive how the korg fares. To be fair I dont think the sub phattys spund stacks up to older moogs.
The monologue sounds very impressive
Given the choice of the 2, I'd take the Moog, but it's only a little bit better. Given the price points, there's really no comparison...Korg is King!
Jack got himself the status “synth-hero” after these epic solos!! (Fullname Jack Duxburry, if I’m correct!) 21:30
Moog Oscillators are going to bring down the beef every time - they can shake a room to bits and rattle your bones. That said, the Korg put up a pretty out some nice tones without but it's not going to be able to match a Moog of any kind for rumble and push, oscillator wise
hi,i got a subphatty but i just really want to keep it in my home studio and i am thinking to buy this korg monologue for the gigs .the behringer model d is great too but without patches memory and sequencer ...i use to have korg keyboards(ms20,poly61,m1) and i never had to fix them.there is the arturia minibrute for the same price but i am not so hot for this one.
if you got 600-800 bucks get the Moog, if you got a 200-300 then get the korg. Both great, one is more money and the sound shows that.
Came for the synths, stayed for the bants.
at 20:30 the Korg wins. Its like Jive Talking, Boogie on Reggae Woman and Uptown Funk
sounds amazing!
Really cool! You guys should plz review the Prophet 12, or compare it to the Prophet Rev 2 or maybe Novation Peak, like this video does!
The cleanliness and the range at which it fills the spectrum even on bass notes are what separate the Moog. That and the moog has a clean musical filter. I own a monologue and still think it holds up just like some of the other comments say but from a raw standpoint the moog is distinct
why didnt you turn up the drive on the monologue when you put up the drive on the Moog sp, you could also you shift functions on the moog to go down 12 semitones and could also pitch down the korg to clicks
Couldn't you change the shape of the wave with the LFO and "wave amt" knob on the Sub Phatty to get the same effect as the Monologue "shape" knob being demonstrated at 17:54?
Want a korg monologue. Do i need a sequenser or is the built in enough for most ppl ?
Before i get into this. Is that James Franco in that photo? Also Why? LOL Now on to the Synths. as for the low end on the Monologue it can... Wait let me check...... Got a little distracted there. Yes it does go in the lower range with a midi hardware controller. If you are considering but are tight on cash the Monologue gets the job done. That being said the quirky layout on the monologue and a slightly better sound out of the Sub especially in the low end make it hard to blame anyone for spending a little extra. Also i like the more aggressive filter of the Sub. Considering the price with the monologue coming in under $345 US at the time of writing this and the Sub at $999 i'll leave you to decide if it's worth the extra. I love both of these synths and could suffice with either. But to help you decide you might want to think about the sequencer and automation of the Monologue which unlocks some really interesting sonic potential.
If you’d made the volumes the same it would be a fair comparison.
With the Minilogue I can't compete with the dB of other synths like minibrute or ms20. Do you know any way to cramp up the sound with any external gear ? Thanks a lot for your great video :)
Line level shifters. (EBTech makes handy rack mounted units.) And that's where mixers come in for balancing. Otherwise, dB "competition" doesn't make sense. Short of something like the line level shifter suggestion, you can of course loudness normalize by turning down the others and cranking the amp. Noise floor rises, but yeah, it's an audio signal. Hope that helps.
Dexter Goldberg mixer of course? Or put it through a compressor with gain control.
Thanks guys, what kind of compressor would you recommand for synths ?
Depends what form factor you want really, but you can use small desktop ones, rack mounted one, or guitar pedals.
Personally, i would get a multi-fx unit and that will rip any synth you put through it! If you're not going through any additional fx processing at the moment, then it's a game changer! Not a clue what kind of budget, but you can go from super cheap to super expensive, i quite like the dual Lexicon's racks as you can do some mad stuff with them. You can pick up some great Boss pedals secondhand too.
Also depends on your genre, as there's some classics out there on the secondhand market, Or just pick up an old Behringer compressor, they're super cheap if you just want to noodle.
Obviously, the most logical approach would be to go through a mixer for all your stuff, that has good gain/compression on each channel - again, not a big expense.
Too many options, but i tend to go for something that adds to my creativity rather than just 'utility' hardware like line level boosters etc.
Whaou thanks a lot for this well detailed answer :))))) !!!!!! I'll go for things your talking about then :)
This guy is super funny.
I feel like monologue is pretty close, maybe just a bit more drive and it would compete
I own a monologue and I love it. It is my first ever analog synth. I learn the fundamentals of synthesis with it and now I'm drawn into synth realm as a 20+ year guitar player. I love moog, i love korg. I will spend every money i earn to synthesizers :)
Any modern compact synth do a sub bass like a voyager.
The Monologue can do the same as the moog, for the most part but for the Price? its obviously the Monologue! both have that punchy ,aggressive sound!
I can see why people like the Moog better but the korg just sounds better. It sounds different.
All synths are beautiful
@@davidjameschamberlain yes my M Audio Venom is beautiful
I love my Monologue! 👍❤️😎🤗
13:32 😂
That really sounds like a pulse on the Moog to me. Am I the only one thinking he had the settings wrong? Am I wrong?
Jack is such a badass.
Here it seems moot wins for bass, fullness and presence.
When knob Master Volume in my Monologue is in position "zero", I still hear silent sounds in headphones (in output too) when I play on keys. Is it normal thing? Can I do something with it? I'd rather hear total silence when Master knob is off.
Would be nice to hear both playing the same sequence/arp in a tune with drums and other parts. How they sound IN a mix is key, IMHO.
Several mixes would be great to compare, from Ambient to DubStep. But, from what I have heard here, for about the same price, I would take the Korg + a nice effects box.
Shit that was dope
This guy is so likeable.
I have the Korg Monologue but if I had the money...Moog Sub Phatty all day long!
Wow, the KORG!
How much is the moog vs the korg and how does the sequencer sound on the both?
Didn't compare to many offers, but:
Korg 229€
Moog 779€
Describing the sound...hmmm...you'll find some vids...sorry ;)
Should have match volume between the two
Sub fatty is a bit better but the Monologue, for its price, comes way too close for comfort.
Monologue is great!
one of jacks best - more like this please
Jack you are the most inspiring and talented synth demonstrator I've seen on RUclips... Thanks 💪🏻👍🏻
good stuff Moog all the way !!!!!
.,., and he didn't even get into whether the moog has decent "motion" options for the sequencer.,..,
The output seems hotter on the Sub Phatty.
The Korg MOOGalogue…. Hehehe :P