Carl it just seems like he's become a mega Simp when it comes to women in general. Ever since he became a father it seems like now he's starting to regret his past content I smell "trolls remorse"
sargon showing that he will happily side with communists im shocked no wait i told yall so the man called for universal basic income. dont get more commie than sargon" if the mob all agrees then its justified" sargon of akaad 2015.
He knew that and did it anyway, as he does not care if they try to weaponize his apology, he has already used the apology as a weapon against the bigger issue.
@@Arathai_even so it's a mistake because the apology makes it seem like he thought it was wrong for him to do that when it was necessary to show people how dishonest these activists and journalists are.
It was on a national news channel, this upped his profile and countered the negative framing that some fence sitters may have had of him. Farage and others can't treat him like persona non grata anymore.
I think he is trying to form a conmen curse against the Islamist judging by his statement about the apology, a was offensive but these Islamist are a treat to our society, it’s has a chance to work I think, she didn’t seem comfortable about the Islamist
He framed it well. Go watch the full interview he does a good job. But time to act like adults and move on. This is all the press talks about dragging up old garbage. Also activists don't care if you apologize or not. But who it does make him look better in the eyes of the public.
Never apologise if you are being pressured to do so by a mob, or if there's an active cancellation attempt against you. That will end up being an apology of weakness, and a sign to those going after you that you are vulnerable. it will not be accepted in good faith. However if, after everything has died down, you come to believe that apologising is the right or mature thing to do, then it is often a perfectly respectable course of action. Carl's apology was not one of weakness, as much as people on "The Right" want to call him soygon or a cuck. Carl said he has changed as a person and he has come to feel that his joke is contributing to a kind of hostile discourse that he doesn't want to be a part of. Thus, he apologised. Jess may choose to reject it, but I don't think Carl has capitulated or bent the knee to anyone or anything.
Shout out to the top comment of the video. Why should Sargon apologies for an edgy joke, when Jess Philips sincerely laughed at male suicide and actively hates conservatives? Capitulation is subjugation.
Presumably he sees it as a necessary action to keep his fledgling media empire going. Especially now that their election night stream had such rave success. Though I'm uncertain whether he's trying to get more peripheral mainstream acceptance, or just to forestall things like Ofcom trying to knee-cap him completely. No clue if his mild obeisance will work, from the die-hards obviously not, but I'm someone has quietly given it to him as an advised step.
Just because they're wrong doesn't mean you have to sink to their level. Carl apologised, as he said in the interview, for himself and his own dignity.
@@co.1157 Not even that long ago, I've heard that same message from his podcast of the lotus eaters. Although it might have been from other hosts, but seems odd for him to apologise nonetheless.
A lot of people saying that he should never apologise. Jess Philips has been appointed to the Home Office team, working under Home Secretary Yvette Cooper, she has the power to ruin his life. Good idea!
@@Bennett2142 I’m sorry… these are leftists… do you think she wouldn’t anyways? She spent years trying to destroy him. An apology JUST signifies guilt and weakness. They aren’t ACTUALLY offended lol!
@@Bennett2142 My reply was removed. .Do you think that leftists actually accept apologies (for nothing) or that they use it as a sign of power for something they never cared about?
I think this will backfire yes, but it will reach the normies who will see a man apologise and still be attacked. The optics will hurt her more than sargon.
@@eliaspanayi3465 They won't acknowledge the apology. He'll have to bring up the apology every time they bring up the initial statement *if* he's actually on to defend himself, which he rarely will be. Legacy media has only become worse since he made the initial statement but a lot of normies still buy the smears they peddle in the UK. The apology will have accomplished little if anything positive and the politicos will take it as an admission of his evildoing by their ideas, ideas with no room for forgiveness. This was an unforced error on his part.
A lot of people saying that he should never apologise. Jess Philips has been appointed to the Home Office team, working under Home Secretary Yvette Cooper, she has the power to ruin his life. Good idea!
What he was ultimately doomed to do. I mean, from the moment I started watching a bit of the guy (2017-ish), it was cleared he would do something like that one day, he's another collectivist (tradcons are just another aesthetics of karens and SJWs and whatnot). Now he took a single mom, so he's learning to "forgive women at all cost". Iron Rules of Tomasi are undefeated.
@@Paugose Collectivism is the only way. Individualism is why you will keep losing to the left. It's obvious it takes a team to beat a team but most of the so-called right wingers are still willing to cling to the losing paradigm in the name of petty and transient personal gain.
A lot of people saying that he should never apologise. Jess Philips has been appointed to the Home Office team, working under Home Secretary Yvette Cooper, she has the power to ruin his life. Good idea!
it was for years now hes trying to bury old hatchets that they buried in their own skulls hes stepping out of the limelight or selling out soon i bet this isnt some edgy ploy move for some larger thing this isnt a political move either no one likes jess in politics
He shoudn't have apologised. He should have said the joke was in bad taste and left it at that. Apologies to authoritarians are never accepted. They interpret them as signs of weakness and only become more vicious.
He has said that multiple times now. But I think just like this apology, it doesn't change anything. The media will always lie and bring this up whenever Sargon is in the news. They won't just let their weapon be taken away by an apology.
Even that leaves a bad taste because everyone knows he was just shitposting. The world is already depressing enough. There is no need to start demonizing jokes, too.
I like Carl, but it's unforgivable the type of contempt and misandry Jess Philips gets away with. She never had to account for grinning mocking a meeting bout male suicide she attended.
I still can't believe nobody except that one guy called her out on that. Jess Philips is obviously a terrible person that you wouldn't want to be in charge of anything important
Clearly you didn't watch the video. He explained for being rude. And as peter Hitchens said he should apologize even if he doesn't think he did anything wrong. As the UK has changed. We have gaza MP's getting voted in. And Jess Philips was attacked.
A lot of people saying that he should never apologise. Jess Philips has been appointed to the Home Office team, working under Home Secretary Yvette Cooper, she has the power to ruin his life. Good idea!
@@JamieZero7 To quote Sargon 3 minutes into the interview: "What matters is that it's the right thing to do to unconditionally apologize." He backs up what I said. Carl acquiesces to the left's position, since Jess has never apologized for her actions (like laughing at male suicide as the top comment says) and nobody expects her to, including Carl himself. To quote Chigurh from No Country For Old Men: "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?" As Carl said, the UK has changed, so why does he hold on to an order that has lead to its own downfall? Looking at this from the right, Carl displays weakness and the childish reluctance to accept the reality of his beliefs. Looking at this from the left, it is an admission for wrongdoing and therefore guilt.
SSR Sargon Mega L. To Apologize is to admit your sin. Not to mention I was most offended by that interview because it implies that we (the modern right) have never been courteous or tolerant when in fact we have been too tolerant that got us in this mess. I say no. I will not accept that nuance.
What the hell is he doing. How has he forgotten there is zero point in apology towards these people? And it's an apology for saying he would NOT commit a heinous crime, at that.
My bet is he is floating the idea or was approached to join the Reform party as a future candidate. Given the smear campaign enacted by the MSM on reform, I'd imagine a caveat to him joining was to clean up his image. Disappointing, but not to surprising given his lean into politics. I personally think it will prove to be a bad misstep.
@@trikstari7687 politics is a dirty game. They're all compromised to some degree or other. It's just a case of picking your own poison that's the least harmful for you.
@@trikstari7687 Duh. They pulled people running that Hope not Hate would do a hit piece on. Unfortunately, especially with a non established party, reputation matters immensely.
It wasn't just "back then". Making fun of male suffering have ALWAYS been socially acceptable. Still is. Unless the victim got another card they can use, like being black or gay. Also, nothing good will come out of this apology. The only way this behavior makes sense is if he wants to retire out from the internet, and wants to become an irrelevant nobody.
I think that it has been proven over and over and over again, that you should never apologize to these sub-humans, because a) they will never in a million years apologize if they get caught doing something wrong, and b) it makes your side lose respect for you, which is why they never apologize.
I seem to remember a certain edgelord on the internet making a video once upon a time with the description "Never. Ever. Apologize to SJWS." I wonder whatever happened to him.
@@axeman2638 Exactly, he has something to gain from this. Ain't no way he's doing this 'out of the kindness of his heart', or 'to show that he's a bigger person', like some fools on here are saying. Apologizing only makes him look like a stepping stone, especially towards an individual with no real moral compass or self-awareness of even their own hypocrisy. Sargon has something to gain from this, or else he's just purposely likes looking like a tool. And I'm leaning with the former in this one.
@@Introversion399 More like he thinks he has something to gain from this, who would promise Sargon anything in exchange for such a thing? Biggest L of 2024 so far, it undermines a decade of his steadfast defiance.
@@basilbaby7678 I seem to remember a certain internet edgelord once upon a time lambasting the media for being dirty, dirty smear merchants who knew that they were never and would never play fair. I wonder whatever happened to him.
Ironically Daddy Jim called it again and now he's going to gloat and laugh at Carl he knows it Carl knows Jim is going to fucking make fun of him and Jim won't apologize either.
I think Carl's original joke was a tactical mistake. However he should probably be aware that Jess will happily be violently torn from her position by Islamists if it means she doesn't have to admit that a white male she disagrees with might be redeemable.
Sargon was attacked and smeared for an edgy joke, which pales in comparison to what Philips did, mocking male suicides, outright laughing if I remember correctly. I see this apology as political, and notice, this comes after the podcast was second largest broadcast in the UK, and when Jess Philips is politically vulnerable. It's pure political move at the expense of Sargon basically saying "Yes I did a terrible thing oh so sorry". It's an admission of guilt for political purpose... the easterner in me sees what I hate, a move that a politician would make.
I haven't watched LE in a long time, and I'm frankly getting fed up with following politics in my own country, let alone the UKs, but if what you say about Jess Phillips being politically vulnerable is true, then what the hell is he doing giving her a leg to stand on instead of pummeling her into the ground? Now she has leverage, now she has power because you just freaking gave her some, Carl.
@@MajorZero61 Jess is vulnerable because she nearly got unseated by an Islamist campaigning on Islam. I can understand why Carl (I don't think I'll call him Sargon again after this), wants to unite his country, because they suddenly realised that they are at the precipice of loosing their own country, their own people. But hey, you get what you immigrate. I remember Carl dismissing this point.
I'm thinking it's to continue to grow his organization, which in the long run 8s the bigger battle. Plus, it's pretty cheeky to apologize for saying you wouldn't do something to someone.
@@Mister_Skar He's made frequent point of wanting to preserve British culture & keeping transtrenders away from children and is now presumably trying to get Jess to empathize with his position by appealing to her own personal safety. Of course, Jess being a Feminist is never going to care about British culture or safety of anyone other than that of herself. Destabilization of society in fact provides justification for her political presence as a solution to problems that she and hers facilitated......
@@Mister_Skar Sargon makes a frequent point of wanting to preserve British culture and protecting children from transtrenders, neither point Jess being a Feminist would care about as soon as she is personally exempted from any consequence.
It also played into what feminists were saying and claiming at the time (and even now tbh) They said every man is a potential struggle snuggler so women have to live in constant fear around men. So what's a cheeky response to that that also implies that they are just wrong? "I wouldn't even do that to you" I always understood it in that sense. Like "if that was true, I wouldn't do it anyway" basically replying to them in their fantasy worldview where every man is just waiting to jump the next woman they see.
Vee never hits play on the video. There. I saved you 12 minutes. ::edit:: he also doesn't even have the video in question linked in the description or pinned comments.
But, it is bad pr. The left are going to attack him anyway with the same argument, and now they can claim he know he did wrong. They will claim, he only apologized to get power, making it hollow. All Sargon did, was make the right trust him less.
Then there will have to be a lot of sanitizing going on, he basically has to nuke his whole sargon of Akkad persona and pretend that everything he used to say is totally wrong if he's trying to appeal to the people that believed he was terrible for that joke.
Dude, what in the fuck is he thinking? He of ALL people should know this was not the move to make. I'm baffled and more than a bit disappointed. Way more so than I ever would be about an off-color joke.
Sargon seems to have gaslit himself over the years. He forgets what his original argument for the joke even was. He was proving that they will take the opposite of a threat and play the victim. He proved it so well that they're still bringing it up 8yr later. His apology is strange.
Sargon’s apology was a colossal mistake. Jess will not forgive him, many people from both sides will see him as weak, and worst of all - this apology will forever be weaponized as an admission of guilt. I don’t know what Sargon was hoping to accomplish here, but this is going to backfire on him BIG TIME.
@@januarysson5633 That was my thought as well. You know, to me this looks like Carl is preparing to tap out of politics. Maybe this election was the last straw for him personally and he just doesn't want to deal with this anymore, especially if it's going to endanger his family in some way. So he did his best to get rid of literally the only thing his opponents were able to hold against him, and he'll just fade into the background now. We'll see if I'm right in the near future I suppose, if Carl just retires from the scene in the next few years then that pretty much confirms my theory.
@@RiskOfBaer Interesting thoughts. I don’t think he will tap out of politics but I think he will take more nuanced stances. The fact that he is uploading again to his “Sargon of Akkad” channel is interesting since he had gone without having done so for such a long time. May be an indication he wants to distance himself from some of the Lotus Eaters who have been veering more and more to the right (but not all).
I don’t think his apology is going to help him at all. He is a good man & it’s too bad the UK is going the way it is going. Sadly, the US probably will, too. Our saving grace is living on a huge land mass.
carl apologizing is really the prime example on how much he fell off. from "you dirty dirty smear merchants, get bent" and "never apologize" to "please accept me I'm a good boy don't come after my mediocre tim pool clone! I have a flamboyant gay on staff, he's just still in the closet" disgraceful. He fell off so hard since he made lotus eaters. Hell the best person there was callum, calling out the others for their crap, and even he couldn't handle it any more and left. I think my favorite moment was when there's a whole episode of them talking nonsense conspiracy theories (moon landing was fake or something) and in the end "callum, you've been silent, what's your take?" - "I think this is all stupid nonsense" Callum was the best that the lotus eaters brought.
Lotus Eaters is much better than Tim Pools show, at least they talk about the replacement. The only problem is that they refuse to acknowledge who is actually behind the replacement agenda and actively support their national interests.
Couldn't have put it better myself, and double goes for Callum's virtues; my boy got done dirty by Sargon's decline, but at least we got his adventuring channel out of it.
i'm glad you remember why sargon made that joke vee. i'm glad someone remembers. sargon made a video about this too, explaining what you just did. a long time ago. he said its because he knew they would run with that and claim he'd said something absolutely horrible, something irredeemable, even though he was saying he WOULDNT do it. but "wouldn't even do it," is to make it clear it was a joke, because a flat phrasing would have made him sound like a simp. so he has perhaps forgotten that he was rebelling against censorship heralded by pearl clutching power hungry virtue signalers realizing their own impending social irrelevance. but now the internet is their domain. sad times
If I was living in the UK, I wouldn't vote for him even if it was either him or the Tories/Labour. Why is it that politics only seems to attract beta males who kiss other people's asses?
Carl has been trying to be the bigger person for a while. I get it. He doesn't want his family to get hate for his edginess. That being said, it doesn't go both ways. Coms are NEVER apologetic, ever. They always double down.
Did he? I've heard him say he wouldnt do it again, now he has his 'holier than thou' attitude to humour, but he is clear on having nothing to apologise for. He would loose some of my respect if he said sorry now. At 10 years or more older than sargon I hope I never grow up enough to look unforavourably on an edgy joke I once told. If I said it you deserved it.
I know he is trying to be principled, but he is dealing with people who have no principles. To them this is an admission of guilt and an invitation to punish. Meanwhile they themselves can do no wrong.
Many times you said that we should use their tactics against them. I'd say we should demand apology from Jess Philips about the heinous action of laughing about suicide.
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I'm sorry she was such an insufferable bitch
Carl it just seems like he's become a mega Simp when it comes to women in general.
Ever since he became a father it seems like now he's starting to regret his past content I smell "trolls remorse"
Nu scuzi!
sargon showing that he will happily side with communists im shocked no wait i told yall so the man called for universal basic income.
dont get more commie than sargon" if the mob all agrees then its justified" sargon of akaad 2015.
Don't apologize to communists.
Frankfurt NPC detected. Silly sausages.
Don't apologize to 'fish wives' !
@@TheFrmx Pretty sure whole eastern EU got the free trial of communism.
Good stuff, I hear we're from frankfurt now, w/e it means.
@@TheFrmx
Are you supposed to be some kind of pro-communist NPC?
@@Andri474 Do you even have to ask?
He should know that his apology would never be accepted and will be weaponized against him as an admission of sin.
Sargon learning? Not likely. He's as clueless as a Boomer.
He knew that and did it anyway, as he does not care if they try to weaponize his apology, he has already used the apology as a weapon against the bigger issue.
@@Arathai_even so it's a mistake because the apology makes it seem like he thought it was wrong for him to do that when it was necessary to show people how dishonest these activists and journalists are.
@@Athetos_Admechyup and car even preached this for ages
hes done hes about to bow out of the spotlight i feel like
It was on a national news channel, this upped his profile and countered the negative framing that some fence sitters may have had of him. Farage and others can't treat him like persona non grata anymore.
He did nothing wrong. Never apologize if you do nothing wrong.
I think he is trying to form a conmen curse against the Islamist judging by his statement about the apology, a was offensive but these Islamist are a treat to our society, it’s has a chance to work I think, she didn’t seem comfortable about the Islamist
From Sargon to Soygon
This is the norm when you start tremnding towards tradcucks
He framed it well. Go watch the full interview he does a good job. But time to act like adults and move on. This is all the press talks about dragging up old garbage. Also activists don't care if you apologize or not. But who it does make him look better in the eyes of the public.
Never apologise if you are being pressured to do so by a mob, or if there's an active cancellation attempt against you. That will end up being an apology of weakness, and a sign to those going after you that you are vulnerable. it will not be accepted in good faith.
However if, after everything has died down, you come to believe that apologising is the right or mature thing to do, then it is often a perfectly respectable course of action. Carl's apology was not one of weakness, as much as people on "The Right" want to call him soygon or a cuck.
Carl said he has changed as a person and he has come to feel that his joke is contributing to a kind of hostile discourse that he doesn't want to be a part of. Thus, he apologised. Jess may choose to reject it, but I don't think Carl has capitulated or bent the knee to anyone or anything.
Shout out to the top comment of the video. Why should Sargon apologies for an edgy joke, when Jess Philips sincerely laughed at male suicide and actively hates conservatives?
Capitulation is subjugation.
Presumably he sees it as a necessary action to keep his fledgling media empire going. Especially now that their election night stream had such rave success. Though I'm uncertain whether he's trying to get more peripheral mainstream acceptance, or just to forestall things like Ofcom trying to knee-cap him completely.
No clue if his mild obeisance will work, from the die-hards obviously not, but I'm someone has quietly given it to him as an advised step.
He needs to get on more mainstream shows of course or go more mainstream.
Just because they're wrong doesn't mean you have to sink to their level. Carl apologised, as he said in the interview, for himself and his own dignity.
I agree, but it also shows who is actually morally superior.
@@frishter Yes and next I have to send my money to Ukraine to show who is morally...finish it.
*Never apologize.*
Isn't that exactly was Saigon was saying 7-10 years ago?
@@co.1157yup
@@co.1157 Not even that long ago, I've heard that same message from his podcast of the lotus eaters. Although it might have been from other hosts, but seems odd for him to apologise nonetheless.
@@frishter Probably had someone tell him he had to in order to get some kind of partnership going.
@@deedoubs, GB News
Sargon still has my favorite quote "you are a dirty dirty smear merchant".
Don’t forget the end. “Get bent”
I miss edgy Sargon.
I wouldn't even r-word you is still king.
And the infamous "white n-rs"
Jim still wants his Applebee's meal waiter.
@@mikecampos1193 Jim wants lots of things. Getting them is another matter
Jess Philips never apologized for saying she would stab Jeremy Corbyn..
The only thing she should apologise for there is not following though.
@@ThomasCpp Let's calm down there
One should act as one wishes others to emulate, not emulate others. Or rather to put it another way; be the better man.
@@Zaphodox And the better men fight communists.
@@ThomasCpp Bringing violence upon people for being asshats isn't the answer, calm down with your nonsense.
Why apologize for nothing to evil people?
A lot of people saying that he should never apologise.
Jess Philips has been appointed to the Home Office team, working under Home Secretary Yvette Cooper, she has the power to ruin his life. Good idea!
@@Bennett2142 I’m sorry… these are leftists… do you think she wouldn’t anyways? She spent years trying to destroy him. An apology JUST signifies guilt and weakness. They aren’t ACTUALLY offended lol!
@@Bennett2142 My reply was removed. .Do you think that leftists actually accept apologies (for nothing) or that they use it as a sign of power for something they never cared about?
@@Bennett2142 As someone out of the loop now on UK politics: What the actual fuck?
@@Bennett2142 she still does and she doesn't give a damn about his apology.
He will come to regret this decision sooner rather than later, I suspect.
Never give in into a bully.
I think this will backfire yes, but it will reach the normies who will see a man apologise and still be attacked. The optics will hurt her more than sargon.
@@eliaspanayi3465 They won't acknowledge the apology. He'll have to bring up the apology every time they bring up the initial statement *if* he's actually on to defend himself, which he rarely will be.
Legacy media has only become worse since he made the initial statement but a lot of normies still buy the smears they peddle in the UK. The apology will have accomplished little if anything positive and the politicos will take it as an admission of his evildoing by their ideas, ideas with no room for forgiveness. This was an unforced error on his part.
He'll never beat the cuckold allegations after this
A lot of people saying that he should never apologise.
Jess Philips has been appointed to the Home Office team, working under Home Secretary Yvette Cooper, she has the power to ruin his life. Good idea!
Ah yes. The ultimate dad move: apologizing to the local Karen.
I do think so. It definitely helps, but, upon the whole, he did it... So I can't trust him.
Sargon wtf are you doing.
Jim just called he will just laugh at him after this.
What he was ultimately doomed to do. I mean, from the moment I started watching a bit of the guy (2017-ish), it was cleared he would do something like that one day, he's another collectivist (tradcons are just another aesthetics of karens and SJWs and whatnot). Now he took a single mom, so he's learning to "forgive women at all cost".
Iron Rules of Tomasi are undefeated.
@@mikecampos1193 Sargon of Applebees apologizes for confusing your order.
@@Paugose Collectivism is the only way. Individualism is why you will keep losing to the left. It's obvious it takes a team to beat a team but most of the so-called right wingers are still willing to cling to the losing paradigm in the name of petty and transient personal gain.
A lot of people saying that he should never apologise.
Jess Philips has been appointed to the Home Office team, working under Home Secretary Yvette Cooper, she has the power to ruin his life. Good idea!
That won't allow him to become a politician. Sold himself for nothing. Pathetic.
He didn't sell himself, just made a stupid decision.
How is this extreme way of referring to it any different than the usual leftist purity spiral?
Never Apologize ..... He should know better
His apology should be “I am sorry you feel that way!”😂
it was for years now hes trying to bury old hatchets that they buried in their own skulls
hes stepping out of the limelight or selling out soon i bet this isnt some edgy ploy move for some larger thing
this isnt a political move either no one likes jess in politics
"I am sorry for not wanting to grape you."
@@Nomadic_Gaming I suspect he might be selling the lotus eaters, yeah.
Or the giga-chad apology “I am sorry you are too grotesque to r a p e “
I think this is the moment that I can stop calling him "Sargon of Akkad." Now he's "Carl Benjamin."
Exactly. Sargon is dead. Long live Carl Benjamin.
Sargon is dead a long time ago.
Daddy Jim lives!
Yup. Shame.
I sure hope Carl gets my fucking Applebee's order correct.
Never apologise to leftists. Let her reap what she's sown.
He shoudn't have apologised. He should have said the joke was in bad taste and left it at that.
Apologies to authoritarians are never accepted. They interpret them as signs of weakness and only become more vicious.
He has said that multiple times now. But I think just like this apology, it doesn't change anything. The media will always lie and bring this up whenever Sargon is in the news. They won't just let their weapon be taken away by an apology.
Even that leaves a bad taste because everyone knows he was just shitposting.
The world is already depressing enough. There is no need to start demonizing jokes, too.
I thought it was interesting that Carl made this apology right after Labour won the election.
What a stupid move....
I like Carl, but it's unforgivable the type of contempt and misandry Jess Philips gets away with. She never had to account for grinning mocking a meeting bout male suicide she attended.
I still can't believe nobody except that one guy called her out on that. Jess Philips is obviously a terrible person that you wouldn't want to be in charge of anything important
The worst thing Sargon ever did was not bringing up the reason why he said that when he had his 15 minutes in front of the national media.
@@CynicalOldDwarf yeah by apologizing unconditionally without even pointing that out he's effectively making that an acceptable thing
Sargon: Don't apologize to the left, they will see it as an admission of guilt and will use it against you.
Also Sargon:
Clearly you didn't watch the video. He explained for being rude. And as peter Hitchens said he should apologize even if he doesn't think he did anything wrong. As the UK has changed. We have gaza MP's getting voted in. And Jess Philips was attacked.
@@JamieZero7 Hitchens is a hazbin, not worthwhile in the modern age of politics.
A lot of people saying that he should never apologise.
Jess Philips has been appointed to the Home Office team, working under Home Secretary Yvette Cooper, she has the power to ruin his life. Good idea!
@@bleachdemon7321 And you are? I must have missed you on important talk shows? so who are you?
@@JamieZero7 To quote Sargon 3 minutes into the interview: "What matters is that it's the right thing to do to unconditionally apologize." He backs up what I said.
Carl acquiesces to the left's position, since Jess has never apologized for her actions (like laughing at male suicide as the top comment says) and nobody expects her to, including Carl himself.
To quote Chigurh from No Country For Old Men: "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?" As Carl said, the UK has changed, so why does he hold on to an order that has lead to its own downfall?
Looking at this from the right, Carl displays weakness and the childish reluctance to accept the reality of his beliefs. Looking at this from the left, it is an admission for wrongdoing and therefore guilt.
"Im sorry you felt that way, im sorry that you missrepresented everything i said"
I wouldn't even apologize to Jess Philips. Get it? I wouldn't even? LOL!!!
SSR Sargon Mega L. To Apologize is to admit your sin. Not to mention I was most offended by that interview because it implies that we (the modern right) have never been courteous or tolerant when in fact we have been too tolerant that got us in this mess. I say no. I will not accept that nuance.
Liberalism leads to Communism. Take the 20th Century for instance. More than 100 Million dead.
This. Being nice got us here. It won't get us out.
@@maxgehtdnixan4913 holy shit rare Asterix pirate pfp. Updoot.
@@AwootisticYes, Asterix is quite famous in Germany
@@napoleonfeanorSouth Africa too.
If he was a real chad he would've repeated the phrase.
Never apologize to Communists and/or pathological liars, the sadistic, slanderers.
What the hell is he doing. How has he forgotten there is zero point in apology towards these people?
And it's an apology for saying he would NOT commit a heinous crime, at that.
My bet is he is floating the idea or was approached to join the Reform party as a future candidate. Given the smear campaign enacted by the MSM on reform, I'd imagine a caveat to him joining was to clean up his image.
Disappointing, but not to surprising given his lean into politics.
I personally think it will prove to be a bad misstep.
@@AfroGaz71that just tells me reform is compromised.
@@trikstari7687I think you mean all of politics, unfortunately British politics is completely steered by the MSM and even farage kowtows when needed
@@trikstari7687 politics is a dirty game. They're all compromised to some degree or other.
It's just a case of picking your own poison that's the least harmful for you.
@@trikstari7687 Duh. They pulled people running that Hope not Hate would do a hit piece on. Unfortunately, especially with a non established party, reputation matters immensely.
It wasn't just "back then".
Making fun of male suffering have ALWAYS been socially acceptable. Still is.
Unless the victim got another card they can use, like being black or gay.
Also, nothing good will come out of this apology.
The only way this behavior makes sense is if he wants to retire out from the internet, and wants to become an irrelevant nobody.
I think that it has been proven over and over and over again, that you should never apologize to these sub-humans, because a) they will never in a million years apologize if they get caught doing something wrong, and b) it makes your side lose respect for you, which is why they never apologize.
I seem to remember a certain edgelord on the internet making a video once upon a time with the description "Never. Ever. Apologize to SJWS." I wonder whatever happened to him.
When the SJW becomes an under secretary for the home office, maybe you should think twice. Jess Philips has the power to destroy him.
Sargon became Soygon
Couldn't handle his own ego and certain Hat salesman calling out his bullshit.
Why would you do this Sargon
naked political ambition obviously.
@@axeman2638 Exactly, he has something to gain from this. Ain't no way he's doing this 'out of the kindness of his heart', or 'to show that he's a bigger person', like some fools on here are saying.
Apologizing only makes him look like a stepping stone, especially towards an individual with no real moral compass or self-awareness of even their own hypocrisy. Sargon has something to gain from this, or else he's just purposely likes looking like a tool. And I'm leaning with the former in this one.
@@Introversion399 More like he thinks he has something to gain from this, who would promise Sargon anything in exchange for such a thing? Biggest L of 2024 so far, it undermines a decade of his steadfast defiance.
He was MSM blacklisted, and he thinks that it’s stunting the long term success of LE.
They were never, and will never play fair, bro.
@@basilbaby7678 I seem to remember a certain internet edgelord once upon a time lambasting the media for being dirty, dirty smear merchants who knew that they were never and would never play fair. I wonder whatever happened to him.
Vee has to self censor talking about how Sargon was fighting against censorship. Now the censorship keeps creeping forward. Good episode.
depopulate these forums that censor you let them lack your pressence.
He's lost his touch apologizing to a angry feminist wil never work out, he knows this...
Wtf is wrong with him?
Ironically Daddy Jim called it again and now he's going to gloat and laugh at Carl he knows it Carl knows Jim is going to fucking make fun of him and Jim won't apologize either.
@@mikecampos1193Who’s Jim?
Sargon seem to become less wise as time goes by, this certainly diminished my opinion of his character.
I think Carl's original joke was a tactical mistake. However he should probably be aware that Jess will happily be violently torn from her position by Islamists if it means she doesn't have to admit that a white male she disagrees with might be redeemable.
But when is Sagon going to apologise to the Sumerians?
The Akkadians did nothing wrong.
⚡⚡ keep winning
I can't count how many times Sargon said, "Never apologize to these people, ridicule them." .....Disappointed.
I wouldn't even apologise
Sargon was attacked and smeared for an edgy joke, which pales in comparison to what Philips did, mocking male suicides, outright laughing if I remember correctly.
I see this apology as political, and notice, this comes after the podcast was second largest broadcast in the UK, and when Jess Philips is politically vulnerable. It's pure political move at the expense of Sargon basically saying "Yes I did a terrible thing oh so sorry".
It's an admission of guilt for political purpose... the easterner in me sees what I hate, a move that a politician would make.
I haven't watched LE in a long time, and I'm frankly getting fed up with following politics in my own country, let alone the UKs, but if what you say about Jess Phillips being politically vulnerable is true, then what the hell is he doing giving her a leg to stand on instead of pummeling her into the ground? Now she has leverage, now she has power because you just freaking gave her some, Carl.
@@MajorZero61 Jess is vulnerable because she nearly got unseated by an Islamist campaigning on Islam.
I can understand why Carl (I don't think I'll call him Sargon again after this), wants to unite his country, because they suddenly realised that they are at the precipice of loosing their own country, their own people. But hey, you get what you immigrate. I remember Carl dismissing this point.
this sounds like brain pretzels to justify making a massive L
Why would you do this Carl...? You know it changes nothing...
Worst possible thing he could have done. Apologies are confessions to the Holy Church of Feminism, and a sign of moral weakness.
Apologising is ALWAYS A MISTAKE! They will come after him even harder now because they will sense weakness.
Blood in the water.
Did he say that he finally found enough beer to feel amorous?
People need to practice being belligerent.
He should apologize for not making a better joke.
I won't even apologize
For what?
Because apologizing will certainly make them stop. For sure this time.
For NOT doing, you know, the thing which I'm sure her current constitutes would be more than happy to do. 😞
Looks like he wants Reform politicians on his podcast and the only way was to send out an apology, which will just make things worse...
That seems like a pretty good hypothesis.
reform politicians are still politicians, thus liars.
I'm thinking it's to continue to grow his organization, which in the long run 8s the bigger battle. Plus, it's pretty cheeky to apologize for saying you wouldn't do something to someone.
"We have to be the better man." .... and then society punish you for it.
remember when it was feasible to summarize every absurd news article of the week with one video.
Benjamin knows this. You should never apologize.
I'm sure Sargon is thinking of fighting common enemies with his move.
'Problem is: he's attempt this strategy with a Feminist.
These days he probably has more in common, in terms of belief, with those enemies than he does Jess Phillips.
It's like the frog attempting to strategize with the scorpion
@@Mister_Skar He's made frequent point of wanting to preserve British culture & keeping transtrenders away from children and is now presumably trying to get Jess to empathize with his position by appealing to her own personal safety.
Of course, Jess being a Feminist is never going to care about British culture or safety of anyone other than that of herself. Destabilization of society in fact provides justification for her political presence as a solution to problems that she and hers facilitated......
Well, feminists are kind of far right right now.
@@Mister_Skar Sargon makes a frequent point of wanting to preserve British culture and protecting children from transtrenders, neither point Jess being a Feminist would care about as soon as she is personally exempted from any consequence.
What exactly is he apologising for? Threatening to not rape her?
Believe it or not it is a common fantasy for...women. So it can be interpreted as a threat from their perspective I guess.
It also played into what feminists were saying and claiming at the time (and even now tbh)
They said every man is a potential struggle snuggler so women have to live in constant fear around men. So what's a cheeky response to that that also implies that they are just wrong?
"I wouldn't even do that to you"
I always understood it in that sense. Like "if that was true, I wouldn't do it anyway" basically replying to them in their fantasy worldview where every man is just waiting to jump the next woman they see.
It's actually a great thing to apologize for if you're going to for anything. I'm sorry I said I wouldn't is ...yeah.
How the hell did you even manage to write that??? The algoritm will implode!
Civility is a tool of those who have all the power.
Vee never hits play on the video.
There. I saved you 12 minutes.
::edit:: he also doesn't even have the video in question linked in the description or pinned comments.
It's PR, he needs to sanitize himself ready to stand for election as an MP in the 2029 elections.
But, it is bad pr.
The left are going to attack him anyway with the same argument, and now they can claim he know he did wrong.
They will claim, he only apologized to get power, making it hollow.
All Sargon did, was make the right trust him less.
An apology is just an admission of guilt and it will be weaponized against him now. Never ever apologize if you didn't do anything wrong.
Yes I think that's a real possibility.
Then there will have to be a lot of sanitizing going on, he basically has to nuke his whole sargon of Akkad persona and pretend that everything he used to say is totally wrong if he's trying to appeal to the people that believed he was terrible for that joke.
Then he's dumber than I thought if he actually believes that would work
Never apologise
Never, Ever apologize to your Enemy. They will only use it against you as propaganda.
Dude, what in the fuck is he thinking? He of ALL people should know this was not the move to make. I'm baffled and more than a bit disappointed. Way more so than I ever would be about an off-color joke.
Sargon seems to have gaslit himself over the years. He forgets what his original argument for the joke even was.
He was proving that they will take the opposite of a threat and play the victim. He proved it so well that they're still bringing it up 8yr later.
His apology is strange.
Sargon’s apology was a colossal mistake. Jess will not forgive him, many people from both sides will see him as weak, and worst of all - this apology will forever be weaponized as an admission of guilt.
I don’t know what Sargon was hoping to accomplish here, but this is going to backfire on him BIG TIME.
What an L, what was Sargon thinking here? I would like to hear a justification for this humiliation.
Well, there is a Labour government in power now. The timing is interesting.
@@januarysson5633 it's the time for every productive member of society to flee to somewhere sensible
@@januarysson5633 That was my thought as well. You know, to me this looks like Carl is preparing to tap out of politics. Maybe this election was the last straw for him personally and he just doesn't want to deal with this anymore, especially if it's going to endanger his family in some way. So he did his best to get rid of literally the only thing his opponents were able to hold against him, and he'll just fade into the background now. We'll see if I'm right in the near future I suppose, if Carl just retires from the scene in the next few years then that pretty much confirms my theory.
@@RiskOfBaer Interesting thoughts. I don’t think he will tap out of politics but I think he will take more nuanced stances. The fact that he is uploading again to his “Sargon of Akkad” channel is interesting since he had gone without having done so for such a long time. May be an indication he wants to distance himself from some of the Lotus Eaters who have been veering more and more to the right (but not all).
'I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further', Nigel to Carl
Spineless.
I don’t think his apology is going to help him at all. He is a good man & it’s too bad the UK is going the way it is going. Sadly, the US probably will, too. Our saving grace is living on a huge land mass.
The moment you have kids, the softer you become esp towards feminists.
I would apologize for not being offensive enough. Gotta get a few female slurs in there as well.
Never apologize, back down from, or surrender to socialists.
There's a difference if you apologize, because you have to, and because you want to.
He's doing the politician thing by apologizing.
Not the electable politician thing, but the politician thing.
carl apologizing is really the prime example on how much he fell off. from "you dirty dirty smear merchants, get bent" and "never apologize" to "please accept me I'm a good boy don't come after my mediocre tim pool clone! I have a flamboyant gay on staff, he's just still in the closet"
disgraceful. He fell off so hard since he made lotus eaters. Hell the best person there was callum, calling out the others for their crap, and even he couldn't handle it any more and left. I think my favorite moment was when there's a whole episode of them talking nonsense conspiracy theories (moon landing was fake or something) and in the end "callum, you've been silent, what's your take?" - "I think this is all stupid nonsense"
Callum was the best that the lotus eaters brought.
i havent really watched much lotus eaters since callum left
its just a bunch of old genx trad cons unable to understand their mistakes without him
Lotus Eaters is much better than Tim Pools show, at least they talk about the replacement. The only problem is that they refuse to acknowledge who is actually behind the replacement agenda and actively support their national interests.
Who's the gay?
@@InhumanOrc the Catholic twink with the ears
Couldn't have put it better myself, and double goes for Callum's virtues; my boy got done dirty by Sargon's decline, but at least we got his adventuring channel out of it.
Never apologize to commies.
i'm glad you remember why sargon made that joke vee. i'm glad someone remembers. sargon made a video about this too, explaining what you just did. a long time ago. he said its because he knew they would run with that and claim he'd said something absolutely horrible, something irredeemable, even though he was saying he WOULDNT do it. but "wouldn't even do it," is to make it clear it was a joke, because a flat phrasing would have made him sound like a simp. so he has perhaps forgotten that he was rebelling against censorship heralded by pearl clutching power hungry virtue signalers realizing their own impending social irrelevance. but now the internet is their domain. sad times
Nothing of value was lost. Benjamin has, for years, been nothing but a shadow of his former principles.
he's lost a lot of my respect with this move
If I was living in the UK, I wouldn't vote for him even if it was either him or the Tories/Labour. Why is it that politics only seems to attract beta males who kiss other people's asses?
Carl has been trying to be the bigger person for a while. I get it. He doesn't want his family to get hate for his edginess. That being said, it doesn't go both ways. Coms are NEVER apologetic, ever. They always double down.
Did he? I've heard him say he wouldnt do it again, now he has his 'holier than thou' attitude to humour, but he is clear on having nothing to apologise for. He would loose some of my respect if he said sorry now. At 10 years or more older than sargon I hope I never grow up enough to look unforavourably on an edgy joke I once told. If I said it you deserved it.
Carl: i wouldnt harm you.
Also Carl: _Never apologize to these people_
Also also Carl: im sorry i said i wouldnt harm you.
He should know better. He was one of the first to say you should never apologize to these people.
You NEVER apologize to these people.
Ok, now Arch just has to apologise for falling for that model thief's crocodile tears.
Welp, there goes my sub to the Lotus Eaters.
Pointless apology since he will never be forgiven
Never apologize to these people.
Remember Jim warned him not be involved in politics he was right.
This is a mistake. At least, I think it is, because Vee is going to talk about something else for the entire video.
I know he is trying to be principled, but he is dealing with people who have no principles.
To them this is an admission of guilt and an invitation to punish. Meanwhile they themselves can do no wrong.
Holy fuck this makes me lose so much respect for him. Never apologize to communists.
He is now indefensible.
He truly is Soygon.
Never apologize if you didn’t do something wrong.
"They'll never accept your apology"- People refusing to accept his apology
🤷♂️
No apologies to Communists.
The worst thing Sargon ever did was not bringing up the reason why he said that when he had his 15 minutes in front of the national media.
He's trying to change his image.
Many times you said that we should use their tactics against them. I'd say we should demand apology from Jess Philips about the heinous action of laughing about suicide.
This, this is the right response
Demand apology for every crime a migrant makes, which factually would not happen if they weren't let in and let free
He should have apologised and finished with ..."for absolutely nothing."
Never apologize!
Meme them until they cry... then make memes about them crying!
His statement should have been "I wouldn't even apologize for the things i said"
How the mighty have fallen.