Heck, I made a false confession in an emergency room because the nurse was so extremely abusive and my immediate thought was "I need to just tell her what she wants to hear so I can get out of here." Everyone was gathered around and staring at me while this nurse berated me, and I just wanted to get out. But of course that wasn't the end of it. I quickly became trapped in the hospital as I was admitted and couldn't leave, but they treated me like absolute crap and did zero medical examination because I'd falsely confessed to faking. Then they brought in a shrink who sat with me for 5 minutes to talk about holiday stress and that was used to bolster the confession and it went into my medical record which was then used by a subsequent doctor at an appointment without my consent. It snowballed quickly. I originally confessed under extreme duress thinking I could quickly end it, but all it did was make the entire experience that much worse for me. It was an extremely horrible experience, but now I know that if I can so easily be manipulated into confessing in that situation, false confessions are much easier to get than people think. Anyone is susceptible. And, if you're wondering what exactly it was that I confessed to, it was that gluten isn't real. Yep. Doesn't exist. Fun times.
I never saw that last sentence coming. And, after those few words, I saw the whole situation 😳 😐 Omg. That must have so sucked. I'm Not being sarcastic btw. Your comment also nailed why it's just best to stick to the truth. (AH has made that last bit really hard to write - but, assuming... I can't. Lol Anyway . Thumbs up.
@@RangeGleasry Things are better, thanks. I have a great spouse now who goes out of their way to protect me whenever I have to go to the hospital which, thankfully, isn't often. It's a great comfort. :)
I think it's important to note here that the "lie detection" Johnny was referring to was how police officers are trained in the Reid technique. The Reid training gives multiple conflicting ways to spot a lie in a suspect and has been used to garner false confessions in way too many cases to be relied upon.
Right? I think they were too focused on defending their skill set and didn't seem to understand that John was specifically criticizing lie detection in relation to how it's performed by Law Enforcement in interrogations. And this guy admitted that a ton of investigators have been doing it terribly wrong. Hopefully, the officers do better after his training, but they're not going to be as skilled as he is. And then they're the ones that go on to do the interrogations, maybe misunderstanding and misapplying the tactics.
Exactly, the Reid technique is not for people who have no other training and experience in interpreting behavior. It can very quickly become a flawed tool.
Thank you! I haven’t seen this episode but was disappointed thinking John might not be doing adequate research. I’ve always found him quite good on that front.
John Oliver's segment was more about the police using this information incorrectly. It wasn't exactly him saying "no eye contact means you're lying, but also too much eye contact means you're lying", but more about how the police can use either instance as a way to "prove" they've got you. They aren't going to explain the nuances on the stand, they're going to cherry pick whatever helps their case.
I’m currently writing a dissertation on human rights violations (what should and shouldn’t be allowed) within the legal system. The topic of investigators lying in an interrogation would be a really interesting one to cover. Manipulation at that level is so dangerous.
@@v-crazy9314 Agreed, it very much is because it's entirely overlooked and not many people know about it. You can have you entire probation revoked and be sent to jail if you fail a "lie detector" test. Even though it's inadmissible in court, probation violations aren't a trial or anything like that it's entirely up to the discretion of the judge. The court system also works closely with the "lie detector" operators (or whatever they're called), they send them tons of clients who have to pay them hundreds of dollars to take tests over and over. It's a complete racket that creates a revolving door. There was one lie detector operator who's being sued or arrested or something to that effect in my area. Lie detection is an ineffective pseudoscience for a number of reasons, so they're essentially toying with peoples lives and destroying peoples lives who are doing well for themselves. Its fucked up.
John Oliver doesn't say it's not effective, he shows that law enforcement (often?/sometimes?) is trying to get to a confession, rather than to the truth.
Great video. I caught the John Oliver bit when it aired, and I have seen your video on manipulation. Just one thing...I felt that the whole "arms crossed" thing was John's way of demonstrating how inadequately interrogators are trained, as opposed to validating or invalidating the behavior itself. I was surprised to see you address it as if John was questioning the body language assessment. You even mentioned that it looked like an actress. But in John's bit, he made a point to say that it was a ridiculous clip from a sketchy training video with bad actors, because he wanted to show what a joke it was in terms of training interrogators to identify deception. Again, when I saw it live, I felt that John was attacking the training video and the low bar of requirements to train interrogators, and he was not attacking the art of behavior analysis. Just my two cents ;-)
You’re right, it was clear that John Oliver explicitly ridiculed that training video. Let’s hope that Chase Hughes, when interrogating someone, will be listening better to what is told, than he demonstrates here. I can’t believe they both missed John Oliver’s intent.
@@Tussenio I 3rd this!!!!!!!!!!! How ironic of these 2 saying “John Oliver and his researchers misunderstood” 😅😅😅😅 they also said LWT didn’t list sources in the description box so they couldn’t check what was being referenced. That’s because if JO doesn’t explicitly TELL us where he’s getting particular information, like the clip you mentioned, sources are always cited in real time as you watch. Top left corner. Every time. Annoying how this reaction video is getting credit for “teaching people so much” while they bash JO. Chase Hughes giving thumbs down after clip about “it’s hard to believe people make false confessions” sums up how this just completely went over both of their heads.
I've watched enough True Crime videos to know that as soon as you're taken in for questioning, lawyer up! LAWYER UP! Regardless if you're innocent or guilty. This is awesome! Thank you for doing it!
I agree. It might make a lot of sense for anyone being questioned to automatically have a lawyer present for any and all questioning done by police. I definitely think recording all interrogations should be a federal law. It's cheap, easy, and benefits everyone involved who is honest and wants to find the truth.
This was fascinating. So glad I was introduced to your channel from Alyte! I’ve definitely heard in passing the studies of behavioral analysis being bogus, but working in healthcare for a decade it’s so clear there are some patterns that clue you into underlying things to look into as you said. and I so appreciate you explaining the faulty methodology of some of the studies because that is SUCH a huge way studies are manipulated. Thanks again!
I loved the part reacting to the crossed arms statement. You both clarified that so well. This was really educational. Thank you! And thanks to Chase for being a guest and adding his insight!!
@The Behavioral Arts I have severe PTSD from 30 years of abusive, gaslighting parents and ex's. You have helped me more than you could EVER know by showing me how to see through their bullshit and stop them from convincing me that my traumas are false memories. Your videos, links, and references have changed my world and I thank you. Cheers!
Shocking that Chase's recommendations about including "you may be presented false facts if interrogated" when people are Mirandized!! And that the Rules of Evidence don't apply to interrogation evidence in many states! What needs to happen modify Miranda Warnings? Really appreciate that you cite references - a step above!
I think lying about physical evidence shouldn't be allowed, but lying about hearsay should be allowed. Though it's much more effective to use open ended questions like if you were asked if "so and so has any reason to say they saw you in this place" tends to work better
I’ve used numerous deceptive techniques in order to gain an advantage. BUT this is done as a tactical advantage. I am seeking and looking for the multiplicity of indicators, or cluster of facts as they mentioned. I don’t bring in false evidence or use false information to gain information, as if this is outed in an interview, credibility is shot.
Andy from Popcorned Planet had mentioned you and that’s how I found you months ago. Loved this video. I’ll have to rewatch when I’m not half asleep to take it in more. Keep them coming.
Wow - just WOW! It’s so rare that I’m so impressed with assertions made in the legal realm - and here, Chase Hughes made 2 of the most salient points I’ve ever heard regarding criminal law: (1) There should be required disclosure that law enforcement may lie to you at any time to obtain information and/or a confession of guilt (2) It should be mandatory for all interrogations to be videotaped for any evidence derived therefrom to be admissible in court. Really, really good stuff. I’ve long felt that Miranda Rights should be provided both verbally and in writing, as at the commencement of interrogation or moment of arrest, a person likely is under duress and unable to absorb the information conveyed. But theoretically, if provided time to read over the advisory of rights, suspects might better grasp what’s at stake should they choose to waive those rights. You’ve made an interesting point about having those who’ve engaged in nefarious interrogation methods serve the same prison term as one wrongly convicted. Sadly, my sense of the situation is that the wrongly convicted tend to spend the best years of their lives incarcerated, while those that illegitimately got them them put away don’t get found out until long after, and often in their sunset years. I can see the potential deterrent effect, however. In the event this has not been commented upon, I wanted to say how deeply I appreciate the work Mr. Hughes is doing to further the protections enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. To me, it’s one of the noblest endeavors one can pursue. 🏅
OMGosh, "people will confess just to get out of that interrogation!" I'm a retired Kindergarten teacher so that statement jumped out at me. That's also true for little kids who get grilled when they come home from visiting the other parent in cases of parental alienation and just plain ugly divorces. The kiddies just want to go play with their toys so they will give whatever answer they think the parent wants to hear. Very dangerous if/when an ex wants to get mean, and torture when they are both mean.
My cousin and her ex did this to their kids. Those poor kids were tortured from both sides. I was there one time during the regular “after daddy” interrogation. The 5 year old just agreed to everything and my cousin was recording it all. I was 15 and thought it was nuts. I interjected and asked the kid some crazy fanciful question...she just absently agreed the same way she had for all her mom questions. Then asked if she could go play yet. Boy did I get hell, lol. Told I had ruined a court case since my question was on the video. It felt so good a couple years later when the courts handed the book to both parents and ruled the kids were coached by both. Those kids were traumatized for life by what their parents did to them. The only abuse they actually suffered was from all the coaching and questions and allegations. They never recovered.
My ex did something that earned him jail time after we had split up. He ran while out on bond (still hasn't been caught) and I was in complete shock that he chose to do that. I kept having cops and bounty hunters come by and try all sorts of tactics to get me to tell them where he was when I had absolutely no clue. The bad part about it is that I'm autistic and can have difficulty being comfortable in normal social situations. If you throw in having police question me, I know I must look like I know something because I get REALLY nervous. So they start getting aggressive and telling me all of these horrible things my ex has done (no idea if they're lying or not) and they tell me they KNOW someone in his family is hiding him and I'll get in trouble if I don't speak up. Seriously, I must have looked like the weak link and they thought they could get me to break and reveal his location when I was just over here being autistic. I'm so glad I haven't heard from them in a few years now. I hope it stays that way. I know the police having some leeway to misrepresent the truth probably helps put away some very dangerous people, but I REALLY don't like being made to feel like a criminal when I've done nothing wrong. But I've really enjoyed watching your videos. I've always had a fascination for why people do what they do and I've unknowingly picked up on a lot of body language over the years. (I know that probably sounds strange coming from someone who says they are autistic, but psychological stuff and how people move are a couple of my "interests".) So watching these videos, I realize that I have learned a lot about what people are saying with their bodies without knowing it. It's been pretty cool. Thanks for putting these out.
@@pamelac.3241 Thank you. I've actually developed a sense of humor about it with some distance. I can almost see it being a plot line in a sitcom. But I'll be very happy if I never get questioned by the police again... unless they're polite and just being neighborly. 😊
@@IThink2Much I'm sorry you went through that. I had something similar which would take too long to write but it can be scary and it's not something I'd wish on anyone.
I love all the videos you've put out but I particularly like this format. You play off and support each other so well. Great stuff. Also, can I call one of you instead of a lawyer if I'm ever brought in for questioning? I've binged too many of your videos and now I'm having an existential crisis. 😆
🙏 Thanks again for a great video guys! I'm a forensic psych grad student, and much of what was discussed in this video we were just going over in class. I took a study break to watch this, but we're in the middle of Finals. I saved the video to come back later to download links to your other videos and studies mentioned. Looks like a great start to my Summer reading list! Have an awesome day, y'all! 😀
At 7:52 - isn't that a beautiful example of contempt on Spidey's face? By the way, I love it that I'm not only learning about body language on this channel, but I'm also improving my English. Thank you for your great work! I'm so happy I've found your channel!
This was absolutely fascinating, this member of the general public has learned so much from you guys. Very enlightening! It's so sad to hear innocent people are being mentally tortured into confessing to something they didn't do. Thank you very much. 🙏❤
I'm loving the analogies mid-way through: the watering of the plant, driving and the speed limit, the metal detector, and meteorology. Great job, guys!
Someone here made a statement about the Emergency Room and I remembered that happened to me! My baby son (who passed out from a febrile seizure and is healthy today BTW) was brought to the ER in a seizure that they were having trouble getting him out of (11 months old) and a female Dr asked me what happened. I told her, she asked again in a stern voice, I repeated, then she grabbed me by the shoulders and yelled "YOu tell me RIGHT NOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS BABY!!!" I yelled back, "I told you!!! He was napping and I went in and found him sweaty and wouldn't wake up, so I called 911 !!" She looked disgusted and said, "Get her out of here." I said, "I am not going anywhere." I can totally see how she could have made me lue, just to stay with my sick baby, but she didn't.
Chase, big fan, but I have a question. You said "I'm not the guy lobbying for or writing these laws", my question is why not? I think of all people, the guy who teaches this stuff should be the one fighting to change laws regarding interrogation and the rights of the suspect should be you. We all know the police aren't acting in good faith and not enough people know just how harmful some of these tactics can be, so lawmakers think "well I would never confess to a crime I didn't commit so it's ok", when in reality we don't know if we would confess to a crime we didn't commit until it's too late. I hope you can start pushing for a positive change.
Wow. Interrogators who leech false confessions from innocent people are just as evil as the criminals and should be locked up as well. Just vile and evil.
not necessarily, you can get a forced and false confession without knowing the results or the techniques were wrong. its still ultimately bad but I wouldnt put it on the same level as a premeditated crime. If the investigator is intentionally framing someone though I would agree that its a serious crime and I would imagine that it is legally punishable, though hard to prove.
There was a very young man named Malte. He came from Denmark and got offered an internship in a daycare in NYC. - Danish law is much different and the police are not allowed to lie in interrogations and a confession cannot stand alone and oftentimes not reason enough for the prosecutor to make a case. Malte was accused by an older woman colleague of sexually assaulting children. He didn’t do it but was arrested and he confessed in shock. His Danish/American lawyer got him free years later in court but he was maimed mentally. His moms came and got him him home but the stress and his condition afterwards was so debilitating that he developed early dementia and died a couple of years later. The woman colleague confessed to lying about him to cover up the assault for someone else. No case was made.
The worst case of this manipulation I have ever witnessed myself was when police were grilling parents on the time-line when their toddler had fallen into a fountain in their yard. Police and EMS assumed that she had drowned, but she had actually experienced cold shock and gone into a protective state of shock. The responding officers were able to make the parents doubt the time-line for up to 5 minutes during the course of aggressive questioning, so EMS halted life-saving efforts and the baby died due to lack of respiratory support. The parents have no criminal or civil recourse for this, they just have to accept that antagonistic police and EMS were able to manipulate their minds while in a state of extreme duress and cause them to question their own memories. That's the cost of shoddy police training and a lack of experience and instinct.
@@jessejordache1869 It wasn't my family, but yes it was really horrible to see. Police didn't even ask their other children who were between 13 and 18 years old and all present at the home and present when the baby fell into the fountain. (They were packing up their car in the driveway for a Christmas trip to the father's parent's home) The responding police were able to corner them and continuously ask "Are you sure you didn't go look for something you had forgotten? Are you absolutely sure it was 1 or 2 minutes, not 5 or 6 minutes?" Over and over again so that they weren't able to see their baby or anything. They didn't discover what really happened to their baby until the autopsy report. They weren't allowed to have her remains released to them for burial until after child services concluded their investigation, so their 18 year old son had to be the one to go and make arrangements to release her to the funeral home and make those decisions for the family. It was a really horrific experience that absolutely could have been avoided if police had given their account the benefit of the doubt so that at least the baby could have had continued care. They could have continued questioning at the hospital or after their baby was stabilized at least, but that was not their focus, their focus was blaming the parents and so their baby died.
@@azurephoenix9546 Ah, I see what I did - I inserted a phantom "my" in front of parents. I did think your phrasing was a little weird (wouldn't the baby be your sibling then?), plus you seemed like you were describing something that happened to someone you knew, as opposed to your family. Because, duh, you were. Anyway I'm really surprised that's not actionable. Like they really have no legal recourse?
@@jessejordache1869 Not really. The same thing happened to about a dozen other kids within a month of their baby's accident, but depending on where it happened in the state and what EMS and hospital they were treated by, some kids lived while others died, which is the basis for their push to change protocol. The different police forces, EMS and hospitals had a policy of not declaring a child dead until they were at the hospital and stabilized on respirators and usually in the ICU. It's called a mercy protocol, and it's meant to give parents the opportunity to say goodbye and decide if they want to donate organs and things like that.
Love the videos you do together! I've been able to recognize deception so much better since discovering both your channels. I am a lot more aware about my own deception towards others (and myself) as well. Thanks to both of you.
Thank you for this fascinating and important video! I lived in Idaho Falls, ID & am familiar with the Christopher Tapp case. I've had issues and had to deal with corruption in the police department as well. It's terrible. I wish I could trust them, but I don't. They're not all bad, but the level of corruption is concerning & it affected my overall feeling of security as well as my feeling of freedom when I lived there.
I like the idea about adding that police may lie to you during the investigation (appropriate wording needed) to the Miranda rights. I also think additional considerations/procedures must be developed for people with brain injuries, intellectual difficulties, educational difficulties, etc.
Yes, this guy just ignored the fact that there’s something in between staring and avoiding eye contact, which is regular eye contact. If I eat too much food, I will be obese, but if I don’t eat enough I will die, therefore food is going to be the end of me, so I won’t have any.
@@lindahomerealtor5461 Exactly. John Oliver was saying that there’s two schools of thought when it comes to eye contact and deception: 1. If you make eye contact, you’re lying. 2. If you DON’T make eye contact you’re lying. Since you don’t know which school of thought someone adheres to you have a 50/50 chance of them considering you to be deceptive.
Man! Seeing my favourite gurus on one screen again! 98% of the behavioural skills that I learned are from Chase and you spidey! Thanks, a lot to both of you!
I'm can't even put into words how grateful I am for this video! I had the misguided belief that bc someone is an officer of the law, they were decent and integral enough to uphold the law! Thank you for the chart! Thank you for the the links for Chase's books! And THANK GOD FOR YOU SPIDEY!!👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💜🙏🏻
Chase! Awesome! Keep him around. Now you need to make a video with the other three. My wife has to do an interview about some things that happened at her work. I showed her this video to see some things that she might need to look out for to make sure she wasn't being manipulated by the people she has to talk to.
I think the over arching theme of the episode ultimately agrees with what was said earlier about seeing immature interrogators acting the way they do in TV shows. Its concerning and is something people should be aware of. Most people aren't going to be lucky enough to interrogated by a person as highly trained as the two of you. I dont think John Oliver or whoever did the research is trying to convince people there is no validity to reading body language, just that its being grossly misused to ruin innocent peoples lives.
Exactly. Neither John Oliver nor any of those in the clips said “Lie Detection Is Fake.” The one person in the clip said the science / expectation that lie detection is somehow infallible is “bogus.” (Need to double check his exact statement. This episode highlights that most interrogators aren’t experts in the field of body language and abuse the technique and the system to get confessions from innocent people so they can simply close a case. Interrogators aren’t after truth, they’re after quota-fulfillment.
You guys are my all-time favourite behavioural people to have you guys in the same room is like heaven. Quick note, my dad was a police detective when I was growing up and he used to take me over to the local mall and he would make me people watch for hours from the age of like seven until 10 years of age and he would do just what you’re doing. He would point out certain behaviours to people and he would tell me what they were about to do and he never ever got it wrong which is probably why I am so interested in what you’re doing today so I love both of your channels I watch them both religiously and have you guys on the show today together awesome
This is so sad. We live in a society where quality and quantity do not go hand in hand. I hope Chase's suggestions will get approved: 1) Everyone should be notified in advance if the police/ interrogators, etc. are allowed to lie to them; 2) Those interrogators should be convicted/ prosecuted for conducting such a stressful illusionary drama to innocent people; 3) All interrogations must be recorded. Thank you guys a lot! As always, fantastic delivery and content!
Wonderful being able to watch the two of you teaching together! Chase Hughes is amazing to learn from. Question: How would you approach body language in cases of facial paralysis or severe facial burn scars where facial expression is zero and you must read micro expressions?
First thing we learn in statistics and research is that correlation is not causation. And yeah, anyone who ever quotes research has to quote...the research.
@@chasehughesofficial ya'll keep referencing 'my little pony' and im starting to feel out of the loop. And my FOMO warrants that I ask, WHOSE LITTLE PONY are we refering and why the redundancy ??? And what in the flying frack does this renowned pony have to do with behavioral signaling.... Please enlighten me
Lol, thank you for this response ^^ I am very fond of your channel and your insights into the "Behavioral Arts". I am also a big fan of John Oliver and LastWeekTonight. And I am a little surprised that you took offense to what John Oliver portrayed (even if in a "lighthearted" way). When I watched the episode you are analyzing, I was under the impression John Oliver and his team comedically criticise law, and the practice of law enforcement, specifically by letting people do a job who are using the tools wrong (in interrogation), and therefore producing wrong confessions and convicting innocent people. I was under the impression the whole time that he and his team understand the subtleties of body language as well as the need of having more than once single indicator to make an assumption, and that he merely "simplyfied" aspects (like what you are doing with your eyes) to make it very clear and easy to understand by his viewers what the people in law enforcement are doing wrong. Which is exactly that: not understanding what they are doing (and how they might even cause damage by that), and by simplyfying and mis-using a complex science that needs more than a 30 minute training video to make people understand how to interrogate in a good, appropriate way. I am also very sure that John Oliver uses his body language in a very deliberate way - like in that moment you pointed out when he called out the interrogating officer exaggerating his body language - often exaggerating it himself for comedic purpose. I had no doubt after watching that episode of LastWeekTonight, that it was not a criticism against the science of reading body language, but instead a criticism against mis-using it, and of only considering confessions whilst disregarding (or not looking for) physical evidence when convicting someone. The way they do this show they have to break many components down to extremes, in order to get and maintain the attention of the audience as well as their interest, and to bring their point across. If I remember correctly, Mr. Oliver even pointed out that certain sources which members of law enforcement are using have content that was not well done. Because these sources present the art of reading body language incomplete or in a wrong way. So in fact he criticises the Reid technique, as well as many counselors „coming up“ in the U.S. that may not be fully qualified to train police- he doesn’t criticise the science of reading body language itself. He and his team considered many aspects you gave a thumb down to be just as ridiculous as you perceived them, I am sure. At least that was my takeaway. But there are always as many perceptions as there are perceptors...
I take away two things from this: 1) Spidey and Chase aren't listening carefully and understanding what Jon is saying and 2)Police want a confession. Whether it is a true or accurate confession is of little consequence. Police are just as happy with a false confession as long as they 'close' the case.
Iam actually shocked that interrogators can legally lie about evidence! How is anyone of us supposed to know that is legal without just assuming you can’t trust anyone? I hope Chase doesn’t get himself in trouble for revealing all the interrogator secrets but Iam so glad he’s sharing! I mean it’s also shocking that movie interrogations are a common occurrence in untrained enforcers. I’m grateful for both you and Chase for educating us we need more of the great teamwork videos!
I’m ok with the lying. We don’t have a law that allows police to prosecute suspects for lying in an interrogation, so why shouldn’t it be a level playing field? We can both lie - it is known and likely. Therefore, our citizenry must be prepared to get up and walk out if they feel the “interview” is crossing boundaries or call an attorney, at least!
i had to pause it just to say seeing Spidey so excited to be doing a vid with Chase Hughes is just heartwarming. he is sitting straight up, giddy, and on the edge of his seat, and looks genuinely intruigued when they dont show the same paddle answer. just love it
*I thoroughly enjoy both of your insights here on YT separately but seeing the two of you do analysis together is the greatest gift since the sweeping verdict for Depp last week! I would love to see you two do more videos together and I think it would be absolutely MARVELOUS if Spidey did an appearance on The Behavior Panel! Great work, gentleman! Thank you for sharing your extensive knowledge and experience!*
If someone is getting a false memory during an interrogation...Do they get those cluster signs of deception in a confession? Or does it seem like they're honest? I love your videos.. they're very interesting. I hope you guys have a great day.
HEY GUYS! What a way to wake up on a Saturday morning. LOVED the video and to see a familiar face from The Behavioral Panel.........nice!! YES! Please do more videos together. I learned a LOT from this one.
Now this is a COLLAB!! The Behavioural Arts AND Chase from The Behaviour Panel. My 2 favourite Behaviour/body language channels. This was fantastic can’t wait to see more collabs in the future and of course what you both have in store on your separate channels.
I just want to verbalize one of what I'm sure will be many reflections on this video. I think this is one of the struggles with quantitative vs qualitative data. People tend to want absolutes and information that is simplisticly categorical. While tools like Chase's periodic table breaks it down into more of a quantitative formula, the science is still qualitative in nature. At least that's what I've gathered so far.
What a wonderful video guys!!! Thank you both so much! I agree so much that a statement should be added to Miranda, clarifying that the police sometimes wear a poker face and give false statements to gain confessions.
There is only one thing anyone should ever say to the police: "I invoke my sixth amendment right to counsel." Repeat as a counter-interrogation mantra, interrupting them repetitively, until they take the point.
This was totally worth the wait! Thank you both for such an informative video. You work so well together. I’m glad to hear there’s more to come. You’ve got me buying books and looking at Chase’s periodic table.
Subscribed! Loving your videos. The scariest thing is when manipulators KNOW everything, they study behavioral analysis, then use it to come across as sincere. It happens a LOT in domestic violence cases, where the abuser covers theirs tracks while they manipulate the victim into taking blame 😞
Loved this. Another great collaboration Spidey!! Bravo. I locked on to the eye contact part. I was brought up to look people in the eye when you're talking to them. To me, it's a sign of respect, yes, I'm listening to you. So I guess that would be my baseline, correct? I honestly can't remember if I look away if I'm lying!! Anyway, thank you for another great learning experience.
I seriously think I’d be at high risk of false confession for the same reason my six year old is. We’re both high functioning ASD and don’t like being questioned. I have to be very careful questioning her about anything. I seriously think she sees the questioning as being as bad as the punishment (time out usually) if not worse. I’ve definitely gotten several false confessions out of her. (I can usually tell because she usually doesn’t know what she’s confessing to, but again, I’ve learned to be careful). I was pretty much the same as a kid.
Thank you for this video and for sharing this insight. I have caught out many people lying to me by falsely claiming to be a "body language observer". I don't know body language, I don't understand body language, however, so many people in my interaction are intimidated just because they think I might detect when they are lying or trying to pretend to be something or someone they are not. Being true to yourself and others is so much more satisfying than pretending. Just be yourself, be content with yourself, and be authentic. I don't have enough thumbs to give you all the thumbs-ups I would like to give you. Thanks for this great work and thanks to your guest.
it makes sense that people change their behavior when they're lying, but in the context of police interrogation, do you seriously think a cop will bother to develop empathetic interest in the 'subject' and set a base line? base line for eye contact for example? how? they only ever see the person when that person is stressed and worried, possibly grieving or angry about the way they've been brought in and deprived of freedom. and that's before you even open the can of worms that is applying these techniques on people who are neuro-divergent. and before you address the callous abusive treatment of mentally ill people that is essentially the standard within American justice system. not to mention, the whole concept of base line, when it comes to something as complex as human behavior, is way too dubious and unreliable to be used when someone's freedom and possibly very life is at stake. you both clearly love what you do, but I think you may be so immersed in the fascinating details of your field (a very lucrative field, let me quietly underscore, just so people do not lose sight of this) , that you do not entirely acknowledge the day-to-day reality of the mess that is policing in America. in most cases, cops just want to nail someone, anyone, and close the case. there is no accountability for sending an innocent person to prison for 20 years. they will use whatever line fits, from pseudo-scientific grotesquely outdated books (which apparently STILL are distributed as guidelines) to conclude a person is lying, and proceed to extract what they 'know' to be the truth, often by inhumane means. and that, as I understand it, is JO's point: once they decide you're guilty, you're fvcked. watch the original video, everyone, there is more to it. fun story, my mom is the purest most honest person I know, and when we used to travel by train together, a ticket inspector would come occasionally, to randomly check tickets - and EVERY SINGLE TIME they would zero in on my mom, because she was so horrified at the mere idea of committing a fraud that she would look almost comically guilty. and FEEL the anguish of guilt.
They are defending that their field is real and with a well trained profesional it works, the are not defending the police, they even say that interrotagiton shoul be recorded, and that policeman are not well trained , and that they should be obligated to tell you they can lie about having proof berofe beginning any interrogation. I think one posible solution could be that to presente a confession as evidence the interrogation should be conduct bya a contracted professional with proven experience solicited by the police, not a policeman.
@@JMCGP4 I am not surprised the proposed solution was that police be obligated to inform people they can lie. it sounds fair and noble on the surface. but what it means is, someone who trains interrogators doesn't want to relinquish that powerful tool. police should not be allowed to lie period. that is the standard in many countries. and thinking it 'unfair' to be bound by a standard this high, should immediately disqualify anyone from policing the community. it is not right to demand of citizens to simply accept that an institution they pay for, a militarized authority with power to take freedom and life, will seek to trick them. there is something predatory in the way American police perceive citizens. the slogan says protect and serve, but the poor are presumed criminally inclined, the homeless are punished for being homeless. also, contracting private companies to conduct interrogations is yet another opening for corruption and sneaky privatization of public service. private contractors are not the answer. here is a clue to the answer: basic police training takes less than six months in US. it takes three years in Norway. in many countries, a university degree is required. (and a healthy relationship with the community is achieved with a fraction of the insane US police budget.)
Yaaay!!!!Absolutely perfect timing!! Thank you guys.🤗❤ I'd just like to say congratulations on your success here and look at the views! Wow! You guys rock!🤗💎
Half of these studies contradict, and I don't think you've read beyond the abstract of most of them. Here's what I see though: You exclusively critique fully-contextualized clips that you already know the details of or the outcome of. Basically y'all are face commentators riding the high of calling yourselves experts, buying what you're selling. It's the same as your mentalism, you just verify the known information and list the characteristics that support the conclusion. Neither of you could competently asses body language in real time, and since you don't need to get confirmation from the subject, you get to proceed unchallenged. That's why you work within the safe confines of hindsight. You guys think you're masters of micro-expressions just because you have the basic human skill of RECOGNIZING emotions, and have also read a few books so you can use jargon-esque names for certain types of expression. The self denial is strong with these two, might as well just call themselves EmPaThS and bring out some crystals. Also, you guys only seem to do videos with western European/American subjects because you clearly only know the cultural body language norms of those groups, which comprise a minority of the world's population. I bet y'all couldn't assess the body language of a non-western non-english speaker without subtitles or context, you'd be screwed and well out of your depth. You're not experts, you're niche hobbyists with opinions.
I’m so glad to see you tackling this, and glad to see Chase back on the channel. Thanks to you, I checked out his books (Six-Minute X-Ray and Ellipses Manual) and I’ve been tearing through them (along with others by Joe Navarro and Allan & Barbara Pease). One thing both your channel and Chase’s books have emphasized is the need to examine CLUSTERS as well as the idiosyncrasies of every human’s unique baseline of behaviors. While I appreciate John Oliver for trying to expose the abuses in the criminal justice system which are sometimes used to elicit false confessions, I was frustrated by the amount of nuance he completely ignored. Keep up the great work!
I wondered if it were possible for you to analyze cases where there was a false confession (ie: The Central Park Five) to see where mistakes were made?
Lot of people in the comments think reacting to John Oliver was silly because he’s a comedian and it’s just entertainment. When I saw his segment, I didn’t know whether to believe the entire industry of behavior analysis was quick science-because that was what John Oliver implied! And that’s incorrect. Thank you for this video! Gives much much needed context and corrections 🙏🙏🙏
Love this!! Just saw u give ur quick review of Hughes on stand for AH. Love what u picked up on w her looks for approval when glancing at Elaine. Inferring word like "all I can say without reviewing notes more." Then glance for approval. Big ego, absolutely! You're awesome. So glad I found you too. Watch behavior panel weekly. It's my fave drop of the week on RUclips!
The tiny video views on small devices, make the hand flailing bizarre to watch. The training they undertake to flail, is something I think about. It has to be uniformly required. Russell Brand is another extreme flailer. I turn them off.
I have to say I like John Oliver too but became frustrated with him during the pandemic when he would step into the “science” discussion. He perpetuated a rhetoric that doctors and scientists stating the vaccine was “safe and effective” could not be questioned because John Oliver said so…I would love to see a video on how a person can apply different argumentative fallacies to convince. Something we see used all the time on media. Stating opinion as fact from a position of influential power such as a policeman, talk show host, reporter. Argumentative fallacies are an excellent manipulation technique. I’m not sure how many people are even aware of them…? Definitely in my experience a narcissistic go too.
no one is saying it cannot be questioned. scientists in every corner of the world are questioning it every day. that's literally what science is. in a developed society, overwhelming scientific consensus translates into public policy. I support your healthy skepticism. and I would encourage you not to abandon it when considering who is feeding you the line 'they don't want you to ask questions' … and why
Oliver has been a willful promoter of regime change wars over the years, ranging from Syria to Venezuela. He uses his "humor" to slander people that his company bosses don't like. It's pretty vulgar actually. Oliver is a big fan of big tech cencorship as well (ofcourse).
@@perplexed8880 actually the way people have formed around this here in nz plenty of people are saying exactly that. Including our prime minister who used the phrase “single source of truth” with regards to her administration and covid. We have people - as do the states - being stripped of medical licenses due merely to their opinions. People losing their jobs … and actually John Oliver was fairly overt in his suggestion that without formal training you shouldn’t question. But I do appreciate your comment and support 🙏. It has been a sad witnessing here in NZ.
@@perplexed8880 also - no one is feeding me that line. Maybe it’s worth considering why you thought I was being fed it and hadn’t just observed it clearly in human behaviour?
@@raphdroidt692 mmmm I used to just laugh at clips I would see here in Nz but the more I listen to the repetitive regurgitated lines that come from american talk shows the less I can watch without feeling poisoned. Thank god I don’t watch your news… as a general rule.
Wooow. I fit in that category of nice, and have a vivid imagination. My step dad is an abusive narcissist and for the majority of my life my mom, siblings and I were in his jail. I was constantly being gas lit. Years later I still find myself second guessing myself and even "edit" what may have happened. I also have ADHD which is something my step dad used against me. Great video I'm learning so much!!
Spidey I'm so glad I found your channel through legal bytes! I love the topic, your videos are so great, I could watch you for hours!! Pls more with Chase Hughes and thank you for the great content
This is so good!!! - and also terrifying knowing how law enforcement can manipulate and are not required to record and track confessions and evidence...
I loved Chase being with you in this video!! He made me think of that show that used to be on "Lie to Me" that was all about studying micro-expressions & body language with people not being honest...I loved that show, it was awesome!!!! That's what started my interest in all of this & Chase sounds like he knows quite a bit about it...
Hey Spidey, Its always a pleasure to see Chase Hughes on the channel and the knowledge he has about behaviorism is lightyears ahead of me and I have so many things I want to learn from him. One thing that might be both a valueble lesson, a fun teaching and a great sellingpoint is letting him do a 6mx analyses on a few persons live. It gives a lot of insight of how a master interrogator profiles, what questions to ask, what you can see as a respons to the questions and also might get more persons interested in the book itself. Just a thought
The biggest thing I learned here is that if I ever witness something important, I need to explain what happened in full before I let anyone have the chance to influence me. So I can be certain actual memory is the only source I am pulling information from. The moment someone starts asking me questions that make me doubt my own memory, I am going to put my fingers in my ears and say "La la la la la..." until my lawyer gets there. 😂
Fascinating! I found you because of the Will Smith case… stayed with you for the Johnny Depp case… then realised, I just love you and what you’re about and what you do, so I’m now here for it all! Brilliant video! ♥️
Great video and I appreciate the documentation given. I am so glad to hear the information about baseline. I caught myself talking to others, and when I am deep in thought about my words, I tend to look off in the distance to concentrate. I saw people looking over their shoulders and realized what I was doing and I have worked hard to stop it! Yes, My Little Pony is my new point of reference.
What a great time here with @The Behavioral Arts and an excellent opportunity to help you all educate 'under-informed individuals.' ❤
Everyone go follow this brilliant brilliant man immediately. Thanks for helping me make this video Chase!
I absolutely love your collabs together! I have learned so much from you both, buying your book today. 🤗
@@TheBehavioralArts You fellas are so wholesome together. Subbed to both and TBP *mostly for Chase 🤣
Always great to learn from the best! This was fantastic!
what a great team! excellent video!
"well, my little pony is the base of all behavioral psychology." He answered that question with the straightest face ever 😂🤣 greatest reply.
I literally spat my water. Note to self: don't eat or drink whilst watching these guys.
I love the Behavior Panel! All the guys are hilarious on there!
@@lizchee8268 Chase especially, he is awesome. Just bought his book. I loved these guys other collab too!
My little pony. Totally got me for a sec. I was like wtf is happening? 😂🙌🏼
😂 I love that - I'll be telling my psychologist friend that
Heck, I made a false confession in an emergency room because the nurse was so extremely abusive and my immediate thought was "I need to just tell her what she wants to hear so I can get out of here." Everyone was gathered around and staring at me while this nurse berated me, and I just wanted to get out. But of course that wasn't the end of it. I quickly became trapped in the hospital as I was admitted and couldn't leave, but they treated me like absolute crap and did zero medical examination because I'd falsely confessed to faking. Then they brought in a shrink who sat with me for 5 minutes to talk about holiday stress and that was used to bolster the confession and it went into my medical record which was then used by a subsequent doctor at an appointment without my consent. It snowballed quickly. I originally confessed under extreme duress thinking I could quickly end it, but all it did was make the entire experience that much worse for me. It was an extremely horrible experience, but now I know that if I can so easily be manipulated into confessing in that situation, false confessions are much easier to get than people think. Anyone is susceptible. And, if you're wondering what exactly it was that I confessed to, it was that gluten isn't real. Yep. Doesn't exist. Fun times.
I never saw that last sentence coming. And, after those few words, I saw the whole situation 😳 😐
Omg. That must have so sucked. I'm Not being sarcastic btw. Your comment also nailed why it's just best to stick to the truth. (AH has made that last bit really hard to write - but, assuming... I can't. Lol
Anyway . Thumbs up.
I’m sorry this happened to you but that last line…. I hope you see the humor in it now because my coffee almost came out my nose lol. I’m sorry 😞
@@sondra4789 It was sarcasm. I laugh with you! The ridiculous of it all cannot be understated 😅
This is a very good example of what is being discussed in this video. I’m sorry this happened to you 😞 and I hope things get better for you
@@RangeGleasry Things are better, thanks. I have a great spouse now who goes out of their way to protect me whenever I have to go to the hospital which, thankfully, isn't often. It's a great comfort. :)
I think it's important to note here that the "lie detection" Johnny was referring to was how police officers are trained in the Reid technique. The Reid training gives multiple conflicting ways to spot a lie in a suspect and has been used to garner false confessions in way too many cases to be relied upon.
Right? I think they were too focused on defending their skill set and didn't seem to understand that John was specifically criticizing lie detection in relation to how it's performed by Law Enforcement in interrogations. And this guy admitted that a ton of investigators have been doing it terribly wrong. Hopefully, the officers do better after his training, but they're not going to be as skilled as he is. And then they're the ones that go on to do the interrogations, maybe misunderstanding and misapplying the tactics.
Exactly, the Reid technique is not for people who have no other training and experience in interpreting behavior.
It can very quickly become a flawed tool.
Thank you! I haven’t seen this episode but was disappointed thinking John might not be doing adequate research. I’ve always found him quite good on that front.
John Oliver's segment was more about the police using this information incorrectly. It wasn't exactly him saying "no eye contact means you're lying, but also too much eye contact means you're lying", but more about how the police can use either instance as a way to "prove" they've got you. They aren't going to explain the nuances on the stand, they're going to cherry pick whatever helps their case.
Right!
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Exactly
and it's comedy, supposed to be...
Yes! And he’s a comedian. So you’d expect him to make jokes
I’m currently writing a dissertation on human rights violations (what should and shouldn’t be allowed) within the legal system. The topic of investigators lying in an interrogation would be a really interesting one to cover. Manipulation at that level is so dangerous.
You should also look into lie detection tests being forced on people who are on probation.
@@sweetfry this is a great idea!
@@v-crazy9314 What is? investigating it, or the idea of forcing people into lie detection tests?
@@sweetfry investigating it. I think it would be an interesting and important topic to cover
@@v-crazy9314 Agreed, it very much is because it's entirely overlooked and not many people know about it. You can have you entire probation revoked and be sent to jail if you fail a "lie detector" test. Even though it's inadmissible in court, probation violations aren't a trial or anything like that it's entirely up to the discretion of the judge. The court system also works closely with the "lie detector" operators (or whatever they're called), they send them tons of clients who have to pay them hundreds of dollars to take tests over and over. It's a complete racket that creates a revolving door. There was one lie detector operator who's being sued or arrested or something to that effect in my area. Lie detection is an ineffective pseudoscience for a number of reasons, so they're essentially toying with peoples lives and destroying peoples lives who are doing well for themselves. Its fucked up.
John Oliver doesn't say it's not effective, he shows that law enforcement (often?/sometimes?) is trying to get to a confession, rather than to the truth.
Yeah he is a real truth lover..
A more fitting arbiter is (sadly) hard to find.
Great video. I caught the John Oliver bit when it aired, and I have seen your video on manipulation. Just one thing...I felt that the whole "arms crossed" thing was John's way of demonstrating how inadequately interrogators are trained, as opposed to validating or invalidating the behavior itself. I was surprised to see you address it as if John was questioning the body language assessment. You even mentioned that it looked like an actress. But in John's bit, he made a point to say that it was a ridiculous clip from a sketchy training video with bad actors, because he wanted to show what a joke it was in terms of training interrogators to identify deception. Again, when I saw it live, I felt that John was attacking the training video and the low bar of requirements to train interrogators, and he was not attacking the art of behavior analysis. Just my two cents ;-)
You’re right, it was clear that John Oliver explicitly ridiculed that training video.
Let’s hope that Chase Hughes, when interrogating someone, will be listening better to what is told, than he demonstrates here. I can’t believe they both missed John Oliver’s intent.
@@Tussenio I 3rd this!!!!!!!!!!! How ironic of these 2 saying “John Oliver and his researchers misunderstood” 😅😅😅😅 they also said LWT didn’t list sources in the description box so they couldn’t check what was being referenced. That’s because if JO doesn’t explicitly TELL us where he’s getting particular information, like the clip you mentioned, sources are always cited in real time as you watch. Top left corner. Every time. Annoying how this reaction video is getting credit for “teaching people so much” while they bash JO. Chase Hughes giving thumbs down after clip about “it’s hard to believe people make false confessions” sums up how this just completely went over both of their heads.
I've watched enough True Crime videos to know that as soon as you're taken in for questioning, lawyer up! LAWYER UP! Regardless if you're innocent or guilty. This is awesome! Thank you for doing it!
I know, I get so fustrated when ppl don't ask for a lawyer!
You cannot be “taken in” unless you are under arrest. Just say youre not going.
@@bigred4379 I forget that part! 🤔
@@bigred4379 Ok, boo.
I agree. It might make a lot of sense for anyone being questioned to automatically have a lawyer present for any and all questioning done by police. I definitely think recording all interrogations should be a federal law. It's cheap, easy, and benefits everyone involved who is honest and wants to find the truth.
This was fascinating. So glad I was introduced to your channel from Alyte! I’ve definitely heard in passing the studies of behavioral analysis being bogus, but working in healthcare for a decade it’s so clear there are some patterns that clue you into underlying things to look into as you said. and I so appreciate you explaining the faulty methodology of some of the studies because that is SUCH a huge way studies are manipulated. Thanks again!
I would love to know more about behavior analysis in the medical realm!
I loved the part reacting to the crossed arms statement. You both clarified that so well. This was really educational. Thank you! And thanks to Chase for being a guest and adding his insight!!
"He studied neuroscience at Harvard."
I am actually old enough to remember when that meant something.
@The Behavioral Arts I have severe PTSD from 30 years of abusive, gaslighting parents and ex's. You have helped me more than you could EVER know by showing me how to see through their bullshit and stop them from convincing me that my traumas are false memories. Your videos, links, and references have changed my world and I thank you. Cheers!
Shocking that Chase's recommendations about including "you may be presented false facts if interrogated" when people are Mirandized!! And that the Rules of Evidence don't apply to interrogation evidence in many states!
What needs to happen modify Miranda Warnings?
Really appreciate that you cite references - a step above!
I think lying about physical evidence shouldn't be allowed, but lying about hearsay should be allowed. Though it's much more effective to use open ended questions like if you were asked if "so and so has any reason to say they saw you in this place" tends to work better
I would rather they didn’t lie at all to begin with, but since I doubt that will happen I would agree with modifying Miranda rights
I’ve used numerous deceptive techniques in order to gain an advantage. BUT this is done as a tactical advantage. I am seeking and looking for the multiplicity of indicators, or cluster of facts as they mentioned. I don’t bring in false evidence or use false information to gain information, as if this is outed in an interview, credibility is shot.
Andy from Popcorned Planet had mentioned you and that’s how I found you months ago. Loved this video. I’ll have to rewatch when I’m not half asleep to take it in more. Keep them coming.
Innocent or not, “Always lawyer up”, best advice ever.
Wow - just WOW! It’s so rare that I’m so impressed with assertions made in the legal realm - and here, Chase Hughes made 2 of the most salient points I’ve ever heard regarding criminal law: (1) There should be required disclosure that law enforcement may lie to you at any time to obtain information and/or a confession of guilt (2) It should be mandatory for all interrogations to be videotaped for any evidence derived therefrom to be admissible in court. Really, really good stuff. I’ve long felt that Miranda Rights should be provided both verbally and in writing, as at the commencement of interrogation or moment of arrest, a person likely is under duress and unable to absorb the information conveyed. But theoretically, if provided time to read over the advisory of rights, suspects might better grasp what’s at stake should they choose to waive those rights.
You’ve made an interesting point about having those who’ve engaged in nefarious interrogation methods serve the same prison term as one wrongly convicted. Sadly, my sense of the situation is that the wrongly convicted tend to spend the best years of their lives incarcerated, while those that illegitimately got them them put away don’t get found out until long after, and often in their sunset years. I can see the potential deterrent effect, however.
In the event this has not been commented upon, I wanted to say how deeply I appreciate the work Mr. Hughes is doing to further the protections enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. To me, it’s one of the noblest endeavors one can pursue. 🏅
OMGosh, "people will confess just to get out of that interrogation!" I'm a retired Kindergarten teacher so that statement jumped out at me. That's also true for little kids who get grilled when they come home from visiting the other parent in cases of parental alienation and just plain ugly divorces. The kiddies just want to go play with their toys so they will give whatever answer they think the parent wants to hear. Very dangerous if/when an ex wants to get mean, and torture when they are both mean.
My cousin and her ex did this to their kids. Those poor kids were tortured from both sides. I was there one time during the regular “after daddy” interrogation. The 5 year old just agreed to everything and my cousin was recording it all. I was 15 and thought it was nuts.
I interjected and asked the kid some crazy fanciful question...she just absently agreed the same way she had for all her mom questions. Then asked if she could go play yet. Boy did I get hell, lol. Told I had ruined a court case since my question was on the video.
It felt so good a couple years later when the courts handed the book to both parents and ruled the kids were coached by both.
Those kids were traumatized for life by what their parents did to them. The only abuse they actually suffered was from all the coaching and questions and allegations. They never recovered.
@@gdtestqueen It's so sad at how often it happens.
My ex did something that earned him jail time after we had split up. He ran while out on bond (still hasn't been caught) and I was in complete shock that he chose to do that. I kept having cops and bounty hunters come by and try all sorts of tactics to get me to tell them where he was when I had absolutely no clue. The bad part about it is that I'm autistic and can have difficulty being comfortable in normal social situations. If you throw in having police question me, I know I must look like I know something because I get REALLY nervous. So they start getting aggressive and telling me all of these horrible things my ex has done (no idea if they're lying or not) and they tell me they KNOW someone in his family is hiding him and I'll get in trouble if I don't speak up. Seriously, I must have looked like the weak link and they thought they could get me to break and reveal his location when I was just over here being autistic. I'm so glad I haven't heard from them in a few years now. I hope it stays that way. I know the police having some leeway to misrepresent the truth probably helps put away some very dangerous people, but I REALLY don't like being made to feel like a criminal when I've done nothing wrong.
But I've really enjoyed watching your videos. I've always had a fascination for why people do what they do and I've unknowingly picked up on a lot of body language over the years. (I know that probably sounds strange coming from someone who says they are autistic, but psychological stuff and how people move are a couple of my "interests".) So watching these videos, I realize that I have learned a lot about what people are saying with their bodies without knowing it. It's been pretty cool. Thanks for putting these out.
So sorry to hear your story. Glad it's been "quiet" for you.
@@pamelac.3241 Thank you. I've actually developed a sense of humor about it with some distance. I can almost see it being a plot line in a sitcom. But I'll be very happy if I never get questioned by the police again... unless they're polite and just being neighborly. 😊
@@IThink2Much I'm sorry you went through that. I had something similar which would take too long to write but it can be scary and it's not something I'd wish on anyone.
@@NicolaMaxwell Thank you. It's definitely not an experience I want to repeat, but I'm just glad it's behind me now.
@@IThink2Much It's in your past, you no longer live there. Hope you're looking forward in a happier future. 💞❤
If I’m ever arrested, I will tell them ‘per Chase Hughs’ advice, I want an attorney’
I love all the videos you've put out but I particularly like this format. You play off and support each other so well. Great stuff.
Also, can I call one of you instead of a lawyer if I'm ever brought in for questioning? I've binged too many of your videos and now I'm having an existential crisis. 😆
I've had my eyes glued to my phone I now need glasses 🤣
Chase Hughes is terrific! He's part of the four guys of the Behavior Panel.....it's terrific too
@@OkayImLisa I'm not a big fan of Mark on TBP but I do love Chase and all of his input. He has his own utube channel too 👏🥳
I liked the casual and friendly nature of this dynamic. Great stuff!
🙏 Thanks again for a great video guys! I'm a forensic psych grad student, and much of what was discussed in this video we were just going over in class. I took a study break to watch this, but we're in the middle of Finals. I saved the video to come back later to download links to your other videos and studies mentioned. Looks like a great start to my Summer reading list! Have an awesome day, y'all! 😀
Good luck to you!
Try the behavioral panel
At 7:52 - isn't that a beautiful example of contempt on Spidey's face?
By the way, I love it that I'm not only learning about body language on this channel, but I'm also improving my English. Thank you for your great work! I'm so happy I've found your channel!
My two favorite behavior analysts! Thank you for educating us!
This was absolutely fascinating, this member of the general public has learned so much from you guys. Very enlightening! It's so sad to hear innocent people are being mentally tortured into confessing to something they didn't do. Thank you very much. 🙏❤
How did you become a member? I want to join the general public club.
@@DoctorJammer Fill out the application forms.
I'm loving the analogies mid-way through: the watering of the plant, driving and the speed limit, the metal detector, and meteorology. Great job, guys!
Someone here made a statement about the Emergency Room and I remembered that happened to me! My baby son (who passed out from a febrile seizure and is healthy today BTW) was brought to the ER in a seizure that they were having trouble getting him out of (11 months old) and a female Dr asked me what happened. I told her, she asked again in a stern voice, I repeated, then she grabbed me by the shoulders and yelled "YOu tell me RIGHT NOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS BABY!!!" I yelled back, "I told you!!! He was napping and I went in and found him sweaty and wouldn't wake up, so I called 911 !!"
She looked disgusted and said, "Get her out of here." I said, "I am not going anywhere."
I can totally see how she could have made me lue, just to stay with my sick baby, but she didn't.
Chase, big fan, but I have a question. You said "I'm not the guy lobbying for or writing these laws", my question is why not? I think of all people, the guy who teaches this stuff should be the one fighting to change laws regarding interrogation and the rights of the suspect should be you. We all know the police aren't acting in good faith and not enough people know just how harmful some of these tactics can be, so lawmakers think "well I would never confess to a crime I didn't commit so it's ok", when in reality we don't know if we would confess to a crime we didn't commit until it's too late. I hope you can start pushing for a positive change.
Wow. Interrogators who leech false confessions from innocent people are just as evil as the criminals and should be locked up as well. Just vile and evil.
not necessarily, you can get a forced and false confession without knowing the results or the techniques were wrong. its still ultimately bad but I wouldnt put it on the same level as a premeditated crime. If the investigator is intentionally framing someone though I would agree that its a serious crime and I would imagine that it is legally punishable, though hard to prove.
There was a very young man named Malte. He came from Denmark and got offered an internship in a daycare in NYC. - Danish law is much different and the police are not allowed to lie in interrogations and a confession cannot stand alone and oftentimes not reason enough for the prosecutor to make a case. Malte was accused by an older woman colleague of sexually assaulting children. He didn’t do it but was arrested and he confessed in shock. His Danish/American lawyer got him free years later in court but he was maimed mentally. His moms came and got him him home but the stress and his condition afterwards was so debilitating that he developed early dementia and died a couple of years later. The woman colleague confessed to lying about him to cover up the assault for someone else. No case was made.
No case was made?
I already mistrust my memory due to my ADHD, so it's kind of horrifying how easily that can be manipulated.
The worst case of this manipulation I have ever witnessed myself was when police were grilling parents on the time-line when their toddler had fallen into a fountain in their yard. Police and EMS assumed that she had drowned, but she had actually experienced cold shock and gone into a protective state of shock. The responding officers were able to make the parents doubt the time-line for up to 5 minutes during the course of aggressive questioning, so EMS halted life-saving efforts and the baby died due to lack of respiratory support. The parents have no criminal or civil recourse for this, they just have to accept that antagonistic police and EMS were able to manipulate their minds while in a state of extreme duress and cause them to question their own memories. That's the cost of shoddy police training and a lack of experience and instinct.
That's the most horrible thing I've heard in a long time. I'm so sorry for your family.
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It wasn't my family, but yes it was really horrible to see.
Police didn't even ask their other children who were between 13 and 18 years old and all present at the home and present when the baby fell into the fountain. (They were packing up their car in the driveway for a Christmas trip to the father's parent's home)
The responding police were able to corner them and continuously ask "Are you sure you didn't go look for something you had forgotten? Are you absolutely sure it was 1 or 2 minutes, not 5 or 6 minutes?" Over and over again so that they weren't able to see their baby or anything.
They didn't discover what really happened to their baby until the autopsy report. They weren't allowed to have her remains released to them for burial until after child services concluded their investigation, so their 18 year old son had to be the one to go and make arrangements to release her to the funeral home and make those decisions for the family. It was a really horrific experience that absolutely could have been avoided if police had given their account the benefit of the doubt so that at least the baby could have had continued care. They could have continued questioning at the hospital or after their baby was stabilized at least, but that was not their focus, their focus was blaming the parents and so their baby died.
@@azurephoenix9546 Ah, I see what I did - I inserted a phantom "my" in front of parents. I did think your phrasing was a little weird (wouldn't the baby be your sibling then?), plus you seemed like you were describing something that happened to someone you knew, as opposed to your family.
Because, duh, you were. Anyway I'm really surprised that's not actionable. Like they really have no legal recourse?
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Not really. The same thing happened to about a dozen other kids within a month of their baby's accident, but depending on where it happened in the state and what EMS and hospital they were treated by, some kids lived while others died, which is the basis for their push to change protocol. The different police forces, EMS and hospitals had a policy of not declaring a child dead until they were at the hospital and stabilized on respirators and usually in the ICU. It's called a mercy protocol, and it's meant to give parents the opportunity to say goodbye and decide if they want to donate organs and things like that.
@@jessejordache1869 cops have professional immunity so it's very hard for layers to break that and prove the cop didn't follow protocol
Love the videos you do together! I've been able to recognize deception so much better since discovering both your channels. I am a lot more aware about my own deception towards others (and myself) as well. Thanks to both of you.
Thank you for this fascinating and important video! I lived in Idaho Falls, ID & am familiar with the Christopher Tapp case. I've had issues and had to deal with corruption in the police department as well. It's terrible. I wish I could trust them, but I don't.
They're not all bad, but the level of corruption is concerning & it affected my overall feeling of security as well as my feeling of freedom when I lived there.
I like the idea about adding that police may lie to you during the investigation (appropriate wording needed) to the Miranda rights. I also think additional considerations/procedures must be developed for people with brain injuries, intellectual difficulties, educational difficulties, etc.
Yes, this guy just ignored the fact that there’s something in between staring and avoiding eye contact, which is regular eye contact. If I eat too much food, I will be obese, but if I don’t eat enough I will die, therefore food is going to be the end of me, so I won’t have any.
Word.
@@lindahomerealtor5461 Exactly. John Oliver was saying that there’s two schools of thought when it comes to eye contact and deception:
1. If you make eye contact, you’re lying.
2. If you DON’T make eye contact you’re lying.
Since you don’t know which school of thought someone adheres to you have a 50/50 chance of them considering you to be deceptive.
Man! Seeing my favourite gurus on one screen again! 98% of the behavioural skills that I learned are from Chase and you spidey! Thanks, a lot to both of you!
I'm can't even put into words how grateful I am for this video! I had the misguided belief that bc someone is an officer of the law, they were decent and integral enough to uphold the law! Thank you for the chart! Thank you for the the links for Chase's books! And THANK GOD FOR YOU SPIDEY!!👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💜🙏🏻
Chase! Awesome! Keep him around. Now you need to make a video with the other three. My wife has to do an interview about some things that happened at her work. I showed her this video to see some things that she might need to look out for to make sure she wasn't being manipulated by the people she has to talk to.
I think the over arching theme of the episode ultimately agrees with what was said earlier about seeing immature interrogators acting the way they do in TV shows. Its concerning and is something people should be aware of. Most people aren't going to be lucky enough to interrogated by a person as highly trained as the two of you. I dont think John Oliver or whoever did the research is trying to convince people there is no validity to reading body language, just that its being grossly misused to ruin innocent peoples lives.
Exactly. Neither John Oliver nor any of those in the clips said “Lie Detection Is Fake.” The one person in the clip said the science / expectation that lie detection is somehow infallible is “bogus.” (Need to double check his exact statement.
This episode highlights that most interrogators aren’t experts in the field of body language and abuse the technique and the system to get confessions from innocent people so they can simply close a case. Interrogators aren’t after truth, they’re after quota-fulfillment.
Can you imagine being interviewed by CHASE if you were guilty!?!
I think I'd cuff myself.
You guys are my all-time favourite behavioural people to have you guys in the same room is like heaven. Quick note, my dad was a police detective when I was growing up and he used to take me over to the local mall and he would make me people watch for hours from the age of like seven until 10 years of age and he would do just what you’re doing. He would point out certain behaviours to people and he would tell me what they were about to do and he never ever got it wrong which is probably why I am so interested in what you’re doing today so I love both of your channels I watch them both religiously and have you guys on the show today together awesome
Great video guys!! It was a lot of fun to have both of you talking
This is so sad. We live in a society where quality and quantity do not go hand in hand. I hope Chase's suggestions will get approved:
1) Everyone should be notified in advance if the police/ interrogators, etc. are allowed to lie to them;
2) Those interrogators should be convicted/ prosecuted for conducting such a stressful illusionary drama to innocent people;
3) All interrogations must be recorded.
Thank you guys a lot! As always, fantastic delivery and content!
Chase makes extremely good points that are very easy to understand using his examples. Awesome collab, would love to see more!!
Chase! So nice to see you two together 😊 Thank you for the super interesting and educative video.
Woot woot!!! My 2 favorite guys!!! This is awesome! Building my behavior muscles! 💪💫💥
Wonderful being able to watch the two of you teaching together! Chase Hughes is amazing to learn from. Question: How would you approach body language in cases of facial paralysis or severe facial burn scars where facial expression is zero and you must read micro expressions?
First thing we learn in statistics and research is that correlation is not causation. And yeah, anyone who ever quotes research has to quote...the research.
or my little pony. I am willing to bet that the pony clip was still persuasive to people even though it was meant for comedy.
@@chasehughesofficial You're awesome, can't wait to read your book!
@@chasehughesofficial ya'll keep referencing 'my little pony' and im starting to feel out of the loop. And my FOMO warrants that I ask, WHOSE LITTLE PONY are we refering and why the redundancy ??? And what in the flying frack does this renowned pony have to do with behavioral signaling.... Please enlighten me
@@chrislovesdetailing it’s in the video. Haha
😂 Then i will refer to the source. Theres probably a bunch else i missed by only listening to a video about body language 🤔
Lol, thank you for this response ^^
I am very fond of your channel and your insights into the "Behavioral Arts". I am also a big fan of John Oliver and LastWeekTonight. And I am a little surprised that you took offense to what John Oliver portrayed (even if in a "lighthearted" way). When I watched the episode you are analyzing, I was under the impression John Oliver and his team comedically criticise law, and the practice of law enforcement, specifically by letting people do a job who are using the tools wrong (in interrogation), and therefore producing wrong confessions and convicting innocent people. I was under the impression the whole time that he and his team understand the subtleties of body language as well as the need of having more than once single indicator to make an assumption, and that he merely "simplyfied" aspects (like what you are doing with your eyes) to make it very clear and easy to understand by his viewers what the people in law enforcement are doing wrong. Which is exactly that: not understanding what they are doing (and how they might even cause damage by that), and by simplyfying and mis-using a complex science that needs more than a 30 minute training video to make people understand how to interrogate in a good, appropriate way. I am also very sure that John Oliver uses his body language in a very deliberate way - like in that moment you pointed out when he called out the interrogating officer exaggerating his body language - often exaggerating it himself for comedic purpose.
I had no doubt after watching that episode of LastWeekTonight, that it was not a criticism against the science of reading body language, but instead a criticism against mis-using it, and of only considering confessions whilst disregarding (or not looking for) physical evidence when convicting someone. The way they do this show they have to break many components down to extremes, in order to get and maintain the attention of the audience as well as their interest, and to bring their point across.
If I remember correctly, Mr. Oliver even pointed out that certain sources which members of law enforcement are using have content that was not well done. Because these sources present the art of reading body language incomplete or in a wrong way. So in fact he criticises the Reid technique, as well as many counselors „coming up“ in the U.S. that may not be fully qualified to train police- he doesn’t criticise the science of reading body language itself. He and his team considered many aspects you gave a thumb down to be just as ridiculous as you perceived them, I am sure.
At least that was my takeaway. But there are always as many perceptions as there are perceptors...
Absolutely amazing, keen as ever to read Chase Hughes books after this thrilling episode.
Me too, I just ordered one.
I take away two things from this: 1) Spidey and Chase aren't listening carefully and understanding what Jon is saying and 2)Police want a confession. Whether it is a true or accurate confession is of little consequence. Police are just as happy with a false confession as long as they 'close' the case.
Iam actually shocked that interrogators can legally lie about evidence! How is anyone of us supposed to know that is legal without just assuming you can’t trust anyone? I hope Chase doesn’t get himself in trouble for revealing all the interrogator secrets but Iam so glad he’s sharing! I mean it’s also shocking that movie interrogations are a common occurrence in untrained enforcers. I’m grateful for both you and Chase for educating us we need more of the great teamwork videos!
I’m ok with the lying. We don’t have a law that allows police to prosecute suspects for lying in an interrogation, so why shouldn’t it be a level playing field? We can both lie - it is known and likely. Therefore, our citizenry must be prepared to get up and walk out if they feel the “interview” is crossing boundaries or call an attorney, at least!
Thanks, Lisa!
I would love to see analysis on Chase’s behavior when Spidey either jokes with him or compliments him.
As soon as I saw Chase I knew it was going to be good. The Miranda rights addition gets my vote.
i had to pause it just to say seeing Spidey so excited to be doing a vid with Chase Hughes is just heartwarming. he is sitting straight up, giddy, and on the edge of his seat, and looks genuinely intruigued when they dont show the same paddle answer.
just love it
My two favorite body language guys to start the weekend! It's gonna be a good one 😁😁😁
*I thoroughly enjoy both of your insights here on YT separately but seeing the two of you do analysis together is the greatest gift since the sweeping verdict for Depp last week! I would love to see you two do more videos together and I think it would be absolutely MARVELOUS if Spidey did an appearance on The Behavior Panel! Great work, gentleman! Thank you for sharing your extensive knowledge and experience!*
If someone is getting a false memory during an interrogation...Do they get those cluster signs of deception in a confession?
Or does it seem like they're honest?
I love your videos.. they're very interesting.
I hope you guys have a great day.
HEY GUYS! What a way to wake up on a Saturday morning. LOVED the video and to see a familiar face from The Behavioral Panel.........nice!! YES! Please do more videos together. I learned a LOT from this one.
I was already subscribed to both channels, but it turns out you are a great team as well!
Same!
Now this is a COLLAB!!
The Behavioural Arts AND Chase from The Behaviour Panel.
My 2 favourite Behaviour/body language channels.
This was fantastic can’t wait to see more collabs in the future and of course what you both have in store on your separate channels.
I just want to verbalize one of what I'm sure will be many reflections on this video. I think this is one of the struggles with quantitative vs qualitative data. People tend to want absolutes and information that is simplisticly categorical. While tools like Chase's periodic table breaks it down into more of a quantitative formula, the science is still qualitative in nature. At least that's what I've gathered so far.
What a wonderful video guys!!! Thank you both so much! I agree so much that a statement should be added to Miranda, clarifying that the police sometimes wear a poker face and give false statements to gain confessions.
There is only one thing anyone should ever say to the police: "I invoke my sixth amendment right to counsel."
Repeat as a counter-interrogation mantra, interrupting them repetitively, until they take the point.
This was totally worth the wait! Thank you both for such an informative video. You work so well together. I’m glad to hear there’s more to come. You’ve got me buying books and looking at Chase’s periodic table.
Chase Hughes analogy about the metal detector was absolutely brilliant!
Subscribed! Loving your videos. The scariest thing is when manipulators KNOW everything, they study behavioral analysis, then use it to come across as sincere. It happens a LOT in domestic violence cases, where the abuser covers theirs tracks while they manipulate the victim into taking blame 😞
Sounds like John Oliver's staff watched an episode of Lie to Me. I don't think the phrase baseline never comes up on that show.
Loved this. Another great collaboration Spidey!! Bravo. I locked on to the eye contact part. I was brought up to look people in the eye when you're talking to them. To me, it's a sign of respect, yes, I'm listening to you. So I guess that would be my baseline, correct? I honestly can't remember if I look away if I'm lying!! Anyway, thank you for another great learning experience.
I seriously think I’d be at high risk of false confession for the same reason my six year old is. We’re both high functioning ASD and don’t like being questioned. I have to be very careful questioning her about anything. I seriously think she sees the questioning as being as bad as the punishment (time out usually) if not worse. I’ve definitely gotten several false confessions out of her. (I can usually tell because she usually doesn’t know what she’s confessing to, but again, I’ve learned to be careful). I was pretty much the same as a kid.
Excellent point!
I'm wondering how many undiagnosed and untreated people are doing time for this reason
@@mandala314 I wonder the same. I wasn’t diagnosed until adulthood.
Worse, I wonder how many ND individuals have died in police custody: to wit, Elijah McClain. RIP sweet boy.
Thank you for this video and for sharing this insight. I have caught out many people lying to me by falsely claiming to be a "body language observer". I don't know body language, I don't understand body language, however, so many people in my interaction are intimidated just because they think I might detect when they are lying or trying to pretend to be something or someone they are not. Being true to yourself and others is so much more satisfying than pretending. Just be yourself, be content with yourself, and be authentic. I don't have enough thumbs to give you all the thumbs-ups I would like to give you. Thanks for this great work and thanks to your guest.
it makes sense that people change their behavior when they're lying, but in the context of police interrogation, do you seriously think a cop will bother to develop empathetic interest in the 'subject' and set a base line? base line for eye contact for example? how? they only ever see the person when that person is stressed and worried, possibly grieving or angry about the way they've been brought in and deprived of freedom. and that's before you even open the can of worms that is applying these techniques on people who are neuro-divergent. and before you address the callous abusive treatment of mentally ill people that is essentially the standard within American justice system.
not to mention, the whole concept of base line, when it comes to something as complex as human behavior, is way too dubious and unreliable to be used when someone's freedom and possibly very life is at stake.
you both clearly love what you do, but I think you may be so immersed in the fascinating details of your field (a very lucrative field, let me quietly underscore, just so people do not lose sight of this) , that you do not entirely acknowledge the day-to-day reality of the mess that is policing in America.
in most cases, cops just want to nail someone, anyone, and close the case. there is no accountability for sending an innocent person to prison for 20 years. they will use whatever line fits, from pseudo-scientific grotesquely outdated books (which apparently STILL are distributed as guidelines) to conclude a person is lying, and proceed to extract what they 'know' to be the truth, often by inhumane means. and that, as I understand it, is JO's point: once they decide you're guilty, you're fvcked.
watch the original video, everyone, there is more to it.
fun story, my mom is the purest most honest person I know, and when we used to travel by train together, a ticket inspector would come occasionally, to randomly check tickets - and EVERY SINGLE TIME they would zero in on my mom, because she was so horrified at the mere idea of committing a fraud that she would look almost comically guilty. and FEEL the anguish of guilt.
Brilliant comment. Thank you!
Yes
They are defending that their field is real and with a well trained profesional it works, the are not defending the police, they even say that interrotagiton shoul be recorded, and that policeman are not well trained , and that they should be obligated to tell you they can lie about having proof berofe beginning any interrogation. I think one posible solution could be that to presente a confession as evidence the interrogation should be conduct bya a contracted professional with proven experience solicited by the police, not a policeman.
@@JMCGP4 I am not surprised the proposed solution was that police be obligated to inform people they can lie. it sounds fair and noble on the surface. but what it means is, someone who trains interrogators doesn't want to relinquish that powerful tool.
police should not be allowed to lie period. that is the standard in many countries. and thinking it 'unfair' to be bound by a standard this high, should immediately disqualify anyone from policing the community.
it is not right to demand of citizens to simply accept that an institution they pay for, a militarized authority with power to take freedom and life, will seek to trick them. there is something predatory in the way American police perceive citizens. the slogan says protect and serve, but the poor are presumed criminally inclined, the homeless are punished for being homeless.
also, contracting private companies to conduct interrogations is yet another opening for corruption and sneaky privatization of public service.
private contractors are not the answer. here is a clue to the answer: basic police training takes less than six months in US. it takes three years in Norway. in many countries, a university degree is required.
(and a healthy relationship with the community is achieved with a fraction of the insane US police budget.)
I think the point you make here is more important than what was offered in the whole video.
Yaaay!!!!Absolutely perfect timing!! Thank you guys.🤗❤ I'd just like to say congratulations on your success here and look at the views! Wow! You guys rock!🤗💎
Half of these studies contradict, and I don't think you've read beyond the abstract of most of them. Here's what I see though: You exclusively critique fully-contextualized clips that you already know the details of or the outcome of. Basically y'all are face commentators riding the high of calling yourselves experts, buying what you're selling. It's the same as your mentalism, you just verify the known information and list the characteristics that support the conclusion. Neither of you could competently asses body language in real time, and since you don't need to get confirmation from the subject, you get to proceed unchallenged. That's why you work within the safe confines of hindsight. You guys think you're masters of micro-expressions just because you have the basic human skill of RECOGNIZING emotions, and have also read a few books so you can use jargon-esque names for certain types of expression. The self denial is strong with these two, might as well just call themselves EmPaThS and bring out some crystals. Also, you guys only seem to do videos with western European/American subjects because you clearly only know the cultural body language norms of those groups, which comprise a minority of the world's population. I bet y'all couldn't assess the body language of a non-western non-english speaker without subtitles or context, you'd be screwed and well out of your depth. You're not experts, you're niche hobbyists with opinions.
I’m so glad to see you tackling this, and glad to see Chase back on the channel. Thanks to you, I checked out his books (Six-Minute X-Ray and Ellipses Manual) and I’ve been tearing through them (along with others by Joe Navarro and Allan & Barbara Pease). One thing both your channel and Chase’s books have emphasized is the need to examine CLUSTERS as well as the idiosyncrasies of every human’s unique baseline of behaviors. While I appreciate John Oliver for trying to expose the abuses in the criminal justice system which are sometimes used to elicit false confessions, I was frustrated by the amount of nuance he completely ignored. Keep up the great work!
The sad truth is that a lot of people watch John Oliver and think they are getting educated on the subject after.
Wow Spidey!!! Keep up the work !!
I wondered if it were possible for you to analyze cases where there was a false confession (ie: The Central Park Five) to see where mistakes were made?
I have one on the channel. Link in description 😊
love seeing you guys together!
Lot of people in the comments think reacting to John Oliver was silly because he’s a comedian and it’s just entertainment. When I saw his segment, I didn’t know whether to believe the entire industry of behavior analysis was quick science-because that was what John Oliver implied! And that’s incorrect.
Thank you for this video! Gives much much needed context and corrections 🙏🙏🙏
Yep. I got dozens of people asking me about it because they took it very seriously. Thanks for watching
Love this!! Just saw u give ur quick review of Hughes on stand for AH.
Love what u picked up on w her looks for approval when glancing at Elaine. Inferring word like "all I can say without reviewing notes more." Then glance for approval. Big ego, absolutely! You're awesome. So glad I found you too. Watch behavior panel weekly. It's my fave drop of the week on RUclips!
Thanks so much 😊. Glad you’re here
John Oliver’s baseline is arm-flailing
Looolll those fingers tho.
The tiny video views on small devices, make the hand flailing bizarre to watch. The training they undertake to flail, is something I think about. It has to be uniformly required. Russell Brand is another extreme flailer. I turn them off.
One of my new fave channels! Keep up the awesome work. Learning so much. ❤
I have to say I like John Oliver too but became frustrated with him during the pandemic when he would step into the “science” discussion. He perpetuated a rhetoric that doctors and scientists stating the vaccine was “safe and effective” could not be questioned because John Oliver said so…I would love to see a video on how a person can apply different argumentative fallacies to convince. Something we see used all the time on media.
Stating opinion as fact from a position of influential power such as a policeman, talk show host, reporter.
Argumentative fallacies are an excellent manipulation technique. I’m not sure how many people are even aware of them…? Definitely in my experience a narcissistic go too.
no one is saying it cannot be questioned. scientists in every corner of the world are questioning it every day. that's literally what science is. in a developed society, overwhelming scientific consensus translates into public policy.
I support your healthy skepticism. and I would encourage you not to abandon it when considering who is feeding you the line 'they don't want you to ask questions' … and why
Oliver has been a willful promoter of regime change wars over the years, ranging from Syria to Venezuela. He uses his "humor" to slander people that his company bosses don't like. It's pretty vulgar actually. Oliver is a big fan of big tech cencorship as well (ofcourse).
@@perplexed8880 actually the way people have formed around this here in nz plenty of people are saying exactly that. Including our prime minister who used the phrase “single source of truth” with regards to her administration and covid. We have people - as do the states - being stripped of medical licenses due merely to their opinions. People losing their jobs … and actually John Oliver was fairly overt in his suggestion that without formal training you shouldn’t question. But I do appreciate your comment and support 🙏. It has been a sad witnessing here in NZ.
@@perplexed8880 also - no one is feeding me that line. Maybe it’s worth considering why you thought I was being fed it and hadn’t just observed it clearly in human behaviour?
@@raphdroidt692 mmmm I used to just laugh at clips I would see here in Nz but the more I listen to the repetitive regurgitated lines that come from american talk shows the less I can watch without feeling poisoned. Thank god I don’t watch your news… as a general rule.
Wooow. I fit in that category of nice, and have a vivid imagination. My step dad is an abusive narcissist and for the majority of my life my mom, siblings and I were in his jail. I was constantly being gas lit. Years later I still find myself second guessing myself and even "edit" what may have happened. I also have ADHD which is something my step dad used against me. Great video I'm learning so much!!
Brilliant. Thank you. And thanks for the links. I've got some bedtime reading to do.
I had this argument last night with someone... i appreciate the commentary!
Spidey I'm so glad I found your channel through legal bytes! I love the topic, your videos are so great, I could watch you for hours!! Pls more with Chase Hughes and thank you for the great content
This is so good!!! - and also terrifying knowing how law enforcement can manipulate and are not required to record and track confessions and evidence...
Awesome video! Great guest !!! Very helpful, because we don't know when all this knowledge would be useful !!
Interesting to see his opinion on the Brendan Dassey confession and interrogation techniques used. Awesome channel, keep it up!!
I loved Chase being with you in this video!! He made me think of that show that used to be on "Lie to Me" that was all about studying micro-expressions & body language with people not being honest...I loved that show, it was awesome!!!! That's what started my interest in all of this & Chase sounds like he knows quite a bit about it...
Hey Spidey,
Its always a pleasure to see Chase Hughes on the channel and the knowledge he has about behaviorism is lightyears ahead of me and I have so many things I want to learn from him.
One thing that might be both a valueble lesson, a fun teaching and a great sellingpoint is letting him do a 6mx analyses on a few persons live. It gives a lot of insight of how a master interrogator profiles, what questions to ask, what you can see as a respons to the questions and also might get more persons interested in the book itself.
Just a thought
The biggest thing I learned here is that if I ever witness something important, I need to explain what happened in full before I let anyone have the chance to influence me. So I can be certain actual memory is the only source I am pulling information from. The moment someone starts asking me questions that make me doubt my own memory, I am going to put my fingers in my ears and say "La la la la la..." until my lawyer gets there. 😂
Great collab!!!! After watching I ordered Mr. Hughes’s book.
I’m glad you two are out there. Hopefully interrogation will become more standardized.
Fascinating! I found you because of the Will Smith case… stayed with you for the Johnny Depp case… then realised, I just love you and what you’re about and what you do, so I’m now here for it all! Brilliant video! ♥️
Definitely looking forward to more collaborations. I enjoyed this video! Thanks guys
Great video and I appreciate the documentation given. I am so glad to hear the information about baseline. I caught myself talking to others, and when I am deep in thought about my words, I tend to look off in the distance to concentrate. I saw people looking over their shoulders and realized what I was doing and I have worked hard to stop it! Yes, My Little Pony is my new point of reference.