Newbie's Guide to Ogre Battle
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2022
- Ogre Battle, the Bard Game That's a Video Game about chilling out and enjoying a war. A game that can be as relaxing or sweaty as you like it, and one of my absolute favorites.
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Just wanted to point out that there are TWO hidden treasures in that first map. I always clear the map and go back in with just my leader (no additional troops in the party) after it has been cleared to collect the treasures so I can do it at my leisure and not get charged money (leader is free to deploy).
I knew I forgot something. It's the mountains, isn't it?
@@CoffeePotato It is along the coast under Warren's Castle. You either have to go there after you beat him or you have to force your unit to slog across the water which is not easy because they will always try to avoid doing so (unless they are a water movement unit).
@@paulmiller7838 Oh right, I think he even ends up triggering from weirdly far away in that area too. Always something new.
Leader with a Gryphon or Cockatrice
@@the_beast_among_sheep Literally what the Streams were about last week 🤣
People are gonna revisit this title after the success of Unicorn Overlord.
A remaster would be awesome
Here's hoping. Even Matsuno picked it up excitedly 🤣
Aahhh! SNES memories ❤ What a weird game at beginning, what an amazing game when one gets to understand it.
DEFINITIVELY NEEDS A REMAKE.
Exactly, and it's such a chill experience for a war.
Epic! I was never able to experience the PS remake
@@the_beast_among_sheep It's pretty great 👍
I got into the series with Ogre Battle 64, but Ogre Battle has such a warm place in my heart. It's the game that feels like it was made specifically for me, it's all my interests and passions rolled up in one. I hope Tactics Ogre Reborn does well so they could remake more of the Saga (and maybe continue it)!
Same, at the very least can we get official releases on this end of the world on consoles someone actually owns? The Wii U certainly existed! Probably. I think I saw one once.
@@CoffeePotato So much! It would be amazing to have a bundle for the ps4/5 or switch. I actually don't understand why they don't do that more for older games to begin with. Such a low cost on Square Enix's end, especially if it's just digital download.
@@danielhild9448 It's largely legal nonsense. Like to make a compilation, you'd need to get two mobile game companies, Atlus, whoever made PoZ again, and Square to agree to a deal for a series that's about to have a lot more value, it's a hard thing to get together. Especially since as far as I'm aware the Switch is the only one secretly working on GBA emulation.
I still think about getting an original playstation just to play through the Limited Edition remake. I've never experienced it. Only ever played the SNES version
@@CoffeePotato BTW, is there an English version of PoZ? I never even knew it existed until I seen a video on it about a month ago.
Played this game from the ages of 11 to 20.....and still play from time to time. Best game of all time for the SNES
Hard to disagree there!
I have this game and use to play it on the SNES when I was a kid back in the day. Ogre Battle is definitely an underrated GEM for sure, I went nuts when it returned for the N64. I loved that game to death but the hardest Ogre game of the series is Tactics for the PS1. I loved Final Fantasy Tactics when it released and I was starving for a new Tactics game since that genre was something I never experienced before, thats when I found out in Playstation Magazine that Ogre Tactics was coming to the PS1. I was in 6th grade when it released on the PS1 console and my dad bought it for me on launch day. The hardest game I've ever played and never finished it. I quit the game because of how brutal it is and the Ogre series in general is just flat out brutal XD
It's dang good fun, though. I know I lost my Fairy Only No Deaths streak of the whole series to a Sphinx in 64 🤣
This was my this most played ps1 game even though I never finished it because I was terrible at it back in the day. Been loving your guides on the TO series.
Money was a problem in this game until I found this trick. On the very first map (start of game) destroy all troops and conquer all but the last city in the NW sector. Then just let the game run. I would do this and go to bed and then go to work the next morning. The game ran all night and day. When I got home and it was ready to play and I had a ton of money.
Yup, that's the infinite money start. It's especially handy if you get an Anywhere Jack.
Had this game for ps1 the day it came out. It was $50. Don't know what happened to it but this game was my favorite of all consoles. Purchased it today on ebay for $200 and have zero regrets. I look forward to reliving my childhood with countless hours of game time.
i'd say rts + board game + strategy rpg + sim still holds a special place in my heart. "Fight it Out" PS thanx for the help on reddit fam.
Any time, and whatever this thing is, it makes me happy.
I was fascinated by this game as a kid, and you are making it sound even more interesting lol. Here's to hoping Reborn might spawn a remake or sequel of some kind!
As someone that replayed the game all the way up to the best endings last year, my usual team comp was to have one or two absolute killers capable of destroying anything, a low level - high alignment knight backed by a grypon for quick towns liberation (there's so many in the endgame...) and a couple of situational defense line protectors. Except for the town liberating unit, I stopped using gryphon quickly and instead use hawkmen for low sky movement. It's technically slower but I was still quick enough to box the enemies and move forward after each waves defeated. With being able to redo any map, I found that you can manipulate alignment pretty easily by redoing those with undead random encounter. Dont know how the other versions work, but I agree that item are busted: in the SNES version potions cost next to nothing and when you get the battle start notification you can quickly hit pause to heal everyone before it start.
Exactly, it's far from balanced, but it's quite a fun romp. Like Binding if Issac shotgunned onto a favorable rng map.
Finally someone made a fucking video.
Hi Coffee, this is Luis from Argentina. Amazing guide. This is the sort of guide I needed, it provided the logic behind the mechanisms and left me wanting to discover the rest and how deep stuff goes. Def the proper depth for a guide. New sub.... oh and I wanted to let you know that there is a tabletop rpg (with solitary mode) inspired by the series and even shares mechanics. Its called OVER WAR by Blackoath Entertainment.
I'll take a peek when I have a chance, and thank you for checking out the guide!
One of my all time favorites. My last playthrough I got the World Ending and unlocked all characters so I officially got the "best ending".
Dang, on a first run? Gates and all?
even after all these years, I will still give Ogre Battle a play through every so often because there just isn't anything out there quite like it. In many ways I consider it to be the greatest game on the SNES, the size, scope and unique way the games plays isn't anything else you can readily find, and the series that was born from there is really something special within it's place in gaming.
Imagine being like 5 and playing this game on the snes. I was so confused but I loved it. Also the psx version is my favorite just because special units keep their special color pallet.
I'm surprised that was a one off feature. It was so cool.
For someone who rented this (SNES) game more than once as a young teen and attempted to figure it out without the manual and posters - and only got partway down the road with it - this was really helpful. Thanks for posting! Just getting back into the whole series again very slowly and wanted to start at the beginning. I just cleared the first couple of maps and am beginning to really enjoy what is possible. As is my custom, I'm doing it blind / no guide (except for watching this after completing the tutorial and getting halfway through map 2), so wish me luck :)
Glad to help, I love hearing stories like this, it kind of feels like what we're going through with the Unicorn Overlord Demo right now.
My dream is that one day we get a game that has Tactics Ogre's overworld, Ogre Battle's in game maps, and the individual battles like Tactics Ogre. Not to say that one style is better than the other, just that it would be really cool to see. The exact opposite also sounds really cool.
Sounds like what I'd imagine for Ogre 8, miracles are fun to think about.
Closest we're getting is soul nomad.
I don't think anyone's been able to streamline the tactics fighting scene to make lots of individual battles yet, but Ogre Battle could potentially just take a few cues from Last Remnant and play with orders instead of specific abilities.
@@benedict6962 Could be. I've generally seen Total War as the closest series. They've done some fantastic stuff. Just like I consider XCOM 2 as being really similar TO mechanically. Sure, the story isn't the same, but you do what you can. Until FFT remake hits, I'm considering Fell Seal the modern evolution of that formula. Absolutely insane counter play from the AI, but the story is moreso a reason to do stuff.
You might be interested in Symphony of War: The Nephilim Saga. It's an indie game with the unit combat of Ogre Battle on a turn based grid.
@@benedict6962you should try Dragon Force in sega saturn it almost have the same gameplay
I needed one of these. Big FFT fan here. Been trying to get into ogre Battle for a while, but there's not a lot of info anywhere about OB and TO. Please do one for TO SNES as well, if you have the time. I'd like to beat that one at least once before playing the PSP remake.
Absolutely, I'll get working on getting that one out tomorrow. Got a few ideas in the pot, but that definitely seems like a solid call.
Great video! I going to give it a try. I got the saturn version with English translation on my retroid pocket 2+ . Thanks
loved your comments while you edit your characters hehe =)
It's a fun thing to mess around with
I hope they remaster Ogre Battle!
Crown making Princess doesn't double everyone's attacks. It adds one to everyone. Very different. She also needs to be the leader.
Just want to leave this here, this reminds me A LOT of Yugioh: The Falsebound Kingdom.
In it, you have overworld 'units' comprised of up to three units, each with their own abilities, traits, items etc. You go around capturing towns, going into (up to) 3v3 battles with the enemy. There're secrets to find around the areas too, just like the town in the northeast of this game's first map.
Just in case anyone was watching this and wanting another game similar.
That game as well as Duelists of the Rose deserve newer updated versions. ❤
Amazing video as always!
Glad to entertain, thank you for the support!
I hope this game gets a remake for modern systems like the tactics ogre game. This is a super unique game that it deserves a genre of its own and I'm surprised that there ain't more games like it.
A very cool guide, thanks! I just wanted to point out that the Saturn version is excellent and has some extras, as well as very little loading. I don't know if you know, but it was fan translated recently.
I've always wanted to try this game, so maybe now I'll try it out.
Give it a go, it's a fun little romp with a lot of heart.
Man. Imagine this, and the other Ogre titles, gets released on Nintendo Switch Online.
It might happen, though I'd hope Atlus and Square could get together to make a series box set instead. Nintendo online is pretty sketchy in the long term. Hopefully it can be actually purchased at some point, but their tendency to Old Yeller their services isn't great.
@@CoffeePotato that sounds like a great fan project: to bring these titles under one downloadable roof. If I was a game dev I’d do it; I’m starting to evangelize about this game and want to share The Word lol
Truly need a remaster of this
That we do.
Great video, cleared up a bunch of info, but now I know for sure I won't enjoy this game
Hey, it's not for everyone 😆
Great video.
Thanks!
I played through it twice and got bad endings. First time I had 0 rep. Last time I had max rep but my alignment and charisma tanked. There is so much to juggle in this game but that is what makes it good.
Dang right!
I get the treasure on the maps. I did reset for better ones. I love my quadrupke Angel Wings and 8 Notos. My party preferences are on my page in community if you are curious.
I used to have this game but had the special one. The limited edition or whatever it was called.
Yup, that's the PS1 version, I'd argue the best one.
The tiny white line at the top left made me think my screen was broken xD
Nope, that's just a weird quirk of the PS1 version on handheld for some reason.
I would love a guide for TO! I never played it but I'm so excited for the remake!
Technically made one! 3, actually. Ok, maybe more than a dozen kind of....
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@@CoffeePotato wow thanks! I thought such video would be more recent since the remake was announced recently, so I didn't find this! Thanks a lot!!
@@00031849 Nope, I've been at this for years, basically covering primarily Ogre Battle, but also Armored Core and a bunch of other super niche games.
The core game is fine. The meta game around it with rep and alignment is a pain. Just playing as normal will most likely give you a bad ending , block all tier 3 upgrades ( paladins ect ) and lose out on cool special units ( Dragon Knights , Generals ). Don't think i got another playthrough in me ( unless they ever HD Release it on current gen )
my wizard (level 19) wont change to mage even though his alignment is 16 isn't it supposed to changed to mage when alignment is above 10 but lower than 30/40?
Amazing video as always! BTW... MOTBQ lore video coming up soon!
Can't wait, thank you!
Fighting Warren at night is dangerous and the amount of cheese available in this game is extensive. Would love to see this dropped as a remaster. I like to setup my parties with two blaster units, two fast units, and one super lawful unit. Depending on ending I'm aiming after depends on which of these my OL is in. The two blaster units alternate tanking wave after wave of enemies, the fast units either go pick up loot, neutrals, or pick off retreating units so they don't respawn, and my lawful gets all the towns at the end to boost rep up, sometimes waiting until I hit certain points in the story to go back to old maps to get them all quickly for lots of rep.
Evil endings are the easiest by far, I can skip all that noise and play the game with maybe three total units.
It is truly a joyous cheese grater over the cheesiest lasagna you've ever fantasized about.
@@CoffeePotato So very much so, with options for every type of cheese you can think of, with some not working very well in your favor.
it was quite interesting how you could change the movement time of a unit just by one unit, and i knew that the more time you were on the map it reduced your reputation but i didnt know the reduction started after 3 days good to know 🤔
Yup, now that I think about it it seems bizarrely true to recent world events 😦
@kaiseravm Although in my experience, the reputation does not start going down on an active map until 3 days after any enemy unit was active on the field. If it takes you 5 game days of enemy units actively roaming around trying to find you and kill you....your reputation will not be going down yet. It's when you beat down enemy units far enough that either there is only the boss left, or only some units not willing to leave the boss castle to come find you.....that the timer for the 3 days seems to begin. That prevents you from just sitting around infinitely farming daily taxes from the cities you have liberated without having negative consequences. However, I still find it worthwhile to farm those daily taxes for the 3 days before I finish off a boss because that provides ample funds to pursue the next maps......and this is regardless of whether you are trying for the high alignment high reputation ending or the low alignment high reputation ending, or otherwise.
My favorite game
Good choice
This game rules so much..
another hidden item in big peninsula below castle
a groups movement type is determined by the "heaviest" unit in the group, fun fact the slice2/thunder flair lord is too heavy to be carried by any low sky units
Weird, seriously?
@@CoffeePotato Yep threw me for a loop when I was a kid,guess that was how the devs balanced thunder flair lord having the best overall stat growth
so many hidden stats in this game like, like the one that determines if unit gain or losses stats depending on what class is the group leader
@@jeremyparsons2944 Standard Matsuno stuff: Make a million mechanics, tell no one.
@JeremyParsons Although, to be fair, the opinion leader with Thunder in the back row has a disadvantage because of how few bosses or enemies are weak to electrical magic as a school; and if you were going to do a great deal of fighting with the Opinion Leader then you're probably on a Low Alignment campaign and the phantom version is better. Only mathematically speaking......if people are just wanting to have fun, they can play whatever they want.
In rececnt years, Symphony of War has made use of the squad building auto-battler style of gameplay. Did you check that one out at some time?
I would love an actual board game of this
Not me. Playing this on a emulation handheld (Miyoo Mini) is such a good way to play it.
Regarding random found items - is there one of each in the game only?
If you keep losing and retaking a town, is a that a net zero for rep or do you lose rep?
Items are one pickup per instance. Retaking a lost town gives another card, but you're losing twice as much reputation as you gain.
I just started playing the Sega Saturn version that i just recently found out exists. graphics and audio are better than the PS1 version. the only thing i wish it had was the waypoint method of movement. Saturn version has 5 new maps apparently. that's what i'm going for. Played this game dozens of times start to finish. Really excited to see what the new maps are like.
When in doubt, healer and mage in back, 3 melee in the front is a solid setup.
Yup, it's got new maps, but the PS1 version still has more QoL stuff, which makes it all the stranger that 3 teams made versions of this game and never once talked to each other. Like Saturn and PS1 both do different overhead maps...but differently.
@JohnMeyer To be honest, I find the graphics and audio to be superior on the Super Nintendo version of this game.....and I can't stand looking at the saturn attempt.
Potato noooo, you can't put the leader in the front, the unit will be downed immediately 😢
Depends on the squad, if they're a triple swinger, they can often clear squads well enough for hit and runs.
Yeah Betrayal House on Haunted Hill legacy is chaos, anything can go either way and sadly previous years that you play don’t affect future storyline elements as much as it should if at all. Which was disappointing.
i really hope SE remake this masterpiece after TO:R
Same, I want to hear that moment where they force a raspy voice actor for Agares screaming from several towns away every time you fight off his clone squads.
That army formation is for veterans only, because most of the beasts are completely useless between the middle to late game, especially golens and octopuses, IMO they are just waste of exp...
Love this game. I have the PS1 version. I never knew the doll mage and warlock give bonuses to golems. Is there a description in game that says so?
Supposedly it's in the manual. I could never find a copy for a non scalp price, so I'm....still working on that review.
@@CoffeePotato Dang, I had it, but my friend lost it back in college.
@@CoffeePotato I just checked my ps1 manual and it's not there, fyi. Maybe in the snes one?
@@lozamyth5499 Could be, maybe it was the guide? Supposedly some rentals came with it back in the day.
@@JohnDoe-yq8ox That's a bummer, sorry man
Why would there be two beast tamers and a Sword Master? Clearly that Sword Master is a BEAST YO
That is a very good point.
You can save/load to force the game to output favorable cards and items.
Before you discover treasure, save the game and load it if you get a bad item. The game will spawn new items. You can get items like Notos and Ogre Blade on the first stage.
Temples also have a chance of giving you an item. They aren't as randomized as the treasures, but they can give you an item after you choose to keep or discard the tarot card you pulled.
Finally, and this is the biggest cheat in the game, you can manipulate tarot card pulls from liberation through saving and loading. If you deploy all your units and start liberating towns, you want to save/load until you pull the world card on your first turn. This causes status changing tarot cards to affect all deployed units. You can then liberate towns and load the game until you get +int +str or +hp cards as these are the best for raw battles.
I know people will consider this cheating--and it is. However, the stages in ogre battle can take up to 3 hours and that just seems too long for me. In fact, I prefer the smaller stages where I'm only using a few units. I find the larger stages to be a little too cumbersome and would rather get them over with in around 40 minutes.
Perhaps you are referring to some console port years later; but the original SNES release of this game does not allow you to save in the middle of any battle. You have to clear a stage to save. By all means, you could decline to find treasures in the SNES and then try the save-scumming technique while revisiting a cleared map for those treasures......but in all practicality that seems like a waste of time.
Just to clarify; your comments about the resurrections of dead characters is not quite accurate. While it is true that "eventually" you will get to a point where using the 'Revive' item at 2000 goth is cheaper for resurrecting dead characters.....that won't be true for new players in the first few stages. The reason is that in the early game the cost at a Roshian Temple for resurrecting a dead character is proportional to the deployment cost of that character; and that value only gradually increases as the level of the character increases. So for about 4 or 5 stages (let's say perhaps the first 9 hours of the game) it is considerably cheaper to resurrect a dead character at a Roshian Temple. Then, as your characters rise in level, yes, the Revive item never changing from 2000 goth will make it the preferred option until the end of the game.
True, and that's a fair point. Running theme of all of these guides, though, is that it's impossible to get it all right, there's too many "but wait, there's more"s 😂
I hope we will see future rerelease on PC
I mean technically....if someone were to need to do a review for clearly scholarly reasons, I'm sure there are means to take a look at a copy somewhere.
Ah my intro to this series (SNES on Wii) Judgement is my favorite question as they forgot an R in one answer
Plus just looking over the names randomly is always good for a chuckle. Someone needs to intentionally bring back Engrish as an official language.
@@CoffeePotato at least as an option, I miss poorly translated stuff so much. Well poorly makes a chuckle not getting massive things wrong.
Also I agree don't do World ending on your first go, you will just hate it. Just mess around and learn as you go, it's much more fun that way
@@jima.3478 "Let the world never forget the sacrifice of Boner, who was beaten and pushed into the ravine"
-epitaph of a mistranslation of Bernard in TO LUCT classic.
The PS1 version has a very important upgrade from the SNES version in that it has waypoint.
Very true, plus actual text saying what anything does.
I would kill to have waypoints in the version I have (Wii rerelease, so basically the SNES version). I took that for granted in OB64 lol
@@DevilKillerJCS It's a little frustrating that Limited Edition never saw a digital release. It's not just waypoints, but uniques don't lose their color on promotion, the AI is better, and there's far more helpful info on items. It's the definitive version in my book
@@CoffeePotato As far as the info on items and weapons/armor, all of the info was provided on a couple of large inserts alongside the manual that originally came with the SNES version. The downside is that the SNES version had a low print run to begin with and is expensive as it is loose, but the manual along with the inserts are particularly hard to come by nowadays. I'm fortunate enough to own them, thank goodness. It's a godsend for playing the SNES version (which I am doing now on my Dreamcast on bootleg discs, for convenience). Even though I have owned the PS1 version for quite a while, I haven't played that version yet.
@@medmuscle It had the info on game, which tends to make it a lot better for the digital experience, especially with running faster due to removing recurring text boxes.
I keep hearing there was a digital release for the SNES. Where can I get it?
You can't anymore, unfortunately.
Emulator. 🤔🤷
What emulator do you use? The ones I’ve tried have sound issues as well as others.
I use a PS Vita, so it's official, I guess? For SNES I use SNES9X for PSP played through the Vita. For Saturn I uhh....just Google what it looks like.
Ok thanks for the reply. Can’t wait for reborn
Just to save you some time... weakening a neutral creature will not improve your odds of recruiting it. Your unit leader's Charisma and compatibility value are the stats that will affect success on your side.
Running away lowers Charisma, not Alignment. Otherwise it would be really easy to meet low Alignment class prerequisites!
True, thanks for the correction. It's hard to keep everything accurate on this one, but dang it, it's fun.
@@CoffeePotato Oh, this game is infamous for having lots of complex hidden mechanics. Only a few people who bothered to look at the code were able to figure out how it works.
I played through it multiple times and did things wrong every single time.
@@BigSlimyBlob We play this series to feel like terrible people sometimes 🤣
@@CoffeePotato Yes, we are masochists! It's actually pretty amazing how complex of a game that they made for the SNES.
Nice if this game have updated PC version
I mean give it enough upscale ..
I wish it did. I always check gog and steam to see if it was added in.
Just started the game. Not sure how I feel about dying to the first fight. We all missed and then he two-shot me and I lost. The second time I was one hit away from dying. Really sets a bad tone when there's no strategy involved and the very first fight of the game is completely rng. Then on the third map I had an enemy unit fly to my base so I deployed a unit of my own to defend it, we won the battle although the enemy survived, and after the fight WE got kicked off the base the and he took it and I lost like 10 minutes of progress.
there are 2 hidden items in the first map one just SW of warren
So, is this game like a boardgame? Wasn't sure, you didn't really mention whether or not it is.
Kind of? It's like board game logic in an RTS, but with full RPG character interactions and such. It's a fun, unique little weirdo.
What are you playing this game on?
Ps Vita
Your video description calls it a Bard game but I think you meant Board game 😉
*Confusion in Lute
I actually prefer the SNES release.
I wish this would get more sequels. (NOT Tactics!!!!!)
I wish it'd see more love, too. More games need to embrace the chaos of board game mechanics. Hopefully soon!
@@CoffeePotato Thanks dude. You are awesome - that's why I'm subbed!
@@CoffeePotatoimagine this game using dice as movement and turn with enemy like in board game instead of real time movement giving it extra rng moment 😂
3 liches in the back, two 3-attackers in the front. Lord, paladins, samurais masters? i forget what they were called. Shit on the game, afk mode.
Paladins, and kind of, but you can't play with the story as much. Plus the RNG for 3 liches quite something.
I have 2 princesses in my current playthrough about halfway through the game right now. I thought about putting them in the same party, haha.
@@medmuscle Lazer4stronk
"A lot of the fights are automated" no all fights are automatic, you don't control units during battles. 😂
Not exactly. You still have input on who they attack, as well as card actions.
You lost me when you said S-N-E-S as “snez”
Snes version is better than ps1 version
Well ain't that some blasphemy 🤣
Why is that?
I would have to agree, the SNES version is much better than the playstation version. So much less distortion in the graphics, etc.
...As a new player myself, I can't consider this a good guide at all, tbh. Having already read the information available on GameFAQs and the Ogre Battle Wiki, it seems as though there's a noticeable amount of misinformation in your guide, and while 'never looked up the mechanics because not knowing is more fun' explains it, I can't really say it excuses it, either? Like... sure, you don't like to minmax, that's fine. But... that's really not a good reason to allow misinformation to spread, especially in a guide designed to help new players?