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Name: Cheryl
Age: 24
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Race: Black (African)
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LOML: Kim Woojin
Ult of Ults (in order): Monsta x + wonho, Red Velvet, MCND, Everglow, Ateez
Ults (in order): Billlie, SHINee+Taemin, BTS, SKZ, SECRET NUMBER, PIXY
Semi Ults (in order): Dreamcatcher, IVE, AOA, Kard,GWSN, Mamamoo, NCT127, CLC, WJSN, I_DLE SuperM, Seventeen, Blackpink, Rocket Punch StayC, Aespa, Itzy, Cherry Bullet,
Frequently listened to: ALEXA, CHUNGHA, YURI, EUNBI, YURI, YENA, KEP1ER-ish, ONEUS, DAY6, ONEWE, CIGNATURE, PURPLE KISS, 3YE, NU'EST, PIXY, KEY, KAI, STAYC, HYUNA, DAWN, WOODZ, SUNMI, WEEEKLY, ASTRO, GOT 7, NCT (Remaining Units), KINGDOM, , FROMIS_9, AOA, OH MY GIRL, GOT7, BAEKHYUN, APINK, THE ROSE, TRI.BE, EXO, WAYV,
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Okay, my birthday is technically tomorrow but I just missed y'all.
Happy Birthday! So happy you're back!😍
Welcome back. You coming back was the best birthday present I could ask for 😊
Happy early birthday🥳❤️
Happy Early Birthday Also 🎉
Happy birthday queen Cheryl!! 😍💞💞
K-pop was never about the music. If K-pop was truly about the music then there wouldn’t be a visual position, fotg, a choreography, and such strict beauty standards. Let’s be honest K-pop fans care about the visuals way more than we admit it. Whenever predebut photos come out most people pick their bias based on looks. I remember when aespa first debuted everyone liked winter because she was pretty even though we never got to see her skills or singing. K-pop idols jobs are to be pretty, skinny, and decent at singing, and have a fake persona to appeal to fans. let’s be honest most K-pop idols are a manufactured and made to be perfect, hence why they’re called “idols”. Music is just a bonus
That's why there is Dreamcatcher now that focuses more on singing and talent rather than looks. But sadly they are so underappreciated in kpop
You say this like you’re making some groundbreaking point but, at least when I got in to kpop, nobody was trying to hide this. Though it was more like they had to pretty, skinny, and the main vocalist had to be incredible at singing while all the other members could be just decent, the main dancer had to be incredible at dancing while the others were decent, and the main rapper had to be… well decent, while the others didn’t even have to try.
@@Ryuoinsomnia dreamcatcher doesn't have that good of vocals either.
@@BhaktManomandirVihariniUma u must be deaf
@@BhaktManomandirVihariniUma if Dreamcatcher doesn't have good vocals then I think the entire kpop industry has shit vocals
Absolutely agree with the point about young idols & age. I can’t get into many of the new groups these years because they are just so young, it feels weird to stan them. They should be in school or something, not being sexualized on stages
yupp, if ive continue with their good quality music until Leeseo turns 18 , then ill start to put money into them like buying albums and merch. I cant support groups with people less than 18 in them. I feel guilty and creepy as a soon to be 21 year old lol
Flashback to Niki performing Fewer 😑
@@Pain-yx1ri that’s cool, because you’re most likely not their target market anyway. Teens are, hence teen idols. Though, I do think IVE members are over-sexualised, but generally the idea of minors being idols is the appeal to the age group that they themselves are in.
Taemin was 14 when he debuted with Shinee, right? Yeri debuted when she was 14, and thats after being 'held back' a year. IU was 15 when she debuted. Then theres also BoA, Minzy, Suzy, Chaeyoung and Tzuyu, it's a long list.
IIRC, a lot of 2nd and 3rd Generation groups had several members who were 15-17 when they debuted. In fact the prevailing opinion at the time was that if you hadn't debuted by a certain age, you never would, and people like Kahi from After School (at 29) were more the exception than the rule. Heck, I remember talk about Ateez members being 'old' when they debuted, and they were in their early 20's.
In a roundabout sort of way, debuting as a teenager in a 4th+ Gen group is probably going to be better for them than if they were in a previous generation, as KPOP's growth and popularity not just in Korea but worldwide means there are going to be more people watching with a critical eye and calling out any bad behavior/mistreatment, perceived or otherwise. And one would hope that entertainment companies in Korea have learned how to better manage them as well, which given the recent increase in number of mental health breaks for idols does appear to be the case somewhat.
I am also not sure, what, if any, new laws regarding Child Labor have been passed and how those might apply towards younger KPOP idols as well is having an effect on their treatment.
All that said, I don't think we are going to stop seeing 15y/o's and maybe a few younger kids debuting in groups anytime soon.
Half of my faves have minor idols and I feel so guilty every time of it
Kpop is becoming like olympic ice skating. They get them as young as possible, train them in harsh conditions, give them improper techniques that depend a lot on their bodies being underdeveloped and lighter/more flexible and take advantage of their dream to manipulate them, because “if you don’t weight X, how can you be an idol? If you don’t look like X, how can you debut?” Its honestly disgusting.
The only future these kids are left with is quitting, injured, with a miriad of mental health problems like depression or anxiety and the everlasting thought of what did they do wrong for their careers to end. I look at recent 4th gen groups and I can’t see them lasting more than 3 years, because the industry (and public) wants them smaller, younger, cuter and full of energy so they can exploit them further, and the fans too, because the younger the idol, the more protective fans will be and much more willing to spend money on them.
Anyone younger than 16 years old (and that’s being really fkn generous) shouldn’t be allowed in the industry, to train or debut. They don’t have the emotional maturity or the mental strength to stand in the spotlight and go through the harsh, cruel and fkn abusive criticism and attacks the netizens and international fans will put them through, much less in these companies that do the bare fkn minimun for their artists or even less than that. With how important kpop is in Korea and being that it is the main thing international folks hear or look at from the country, you would think they would regulate this things more, get laws and/or have a specific section of the culture ministry. But they don’t, so these companies will keep exploiting children until they run oit of them.
as a 15 y/o, it SUCKS being in this generation. Because suddenly I feel like I'm old and that if I don't become successful RIGHT NOW it'll be too late because the world sees 20 y/os as too old. These kids younger than me are feeling that pressure too, and it's so sad to see.
@@brigc7755 So true- it's like people think you rot after age 21 😭
@@That2004Artist uhh??? Since when? What? I’ve literally never experience this idea that being older than 20 is like old. Maybe that just because I have the mindset of being glad to be an adult and haven’t noticed it in other people but… yeah that’s sounds weird to me.
For the record, I’m 23 this year.
I feel like 18 should be the minimum for idols. Red velvet, Twice, and Blackpink are all perfect examples (except Jihyo since she was training since she was 10 and missed out on childhood) of this since now as they are long into their career, they are matured and mentally healthy (except some of the members who went on the hiatus) for the things yet to come. This meant they were also mentally and physically ready at their debut too.
@@LaurenPebble people literally call idols who debut when they’re over 18 old lmao, it’s definitely a thing that happens
For me the worst thing about the minors in kpop is that the fans totally contribute to it to keep happening, like when someone a little older than "normal" debuts and they say the idol is old ???? or every time an idol reaches thirty people start treating them like grandpa or grandma, it's so weird
For real, like some 3rd gen idols reached 30 already and they're literally in their prime (E.g- MAMAMOO's Solar)
I have a friend who was an ex-trainee at SM entertainment and she told me that her training was:
-Weight management
-Dance practice
-Singing practice
-School work
-Media training (EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR TRAINEES)
-Monthly evaluations
-Performance covers with other trainees
The trainers would also send videos to other companies (e.g. FNC, Starship, and sometimes even YG or JYP) in case they suited another company more. In addition, there was a high focus on visuals which has also really affected my friend, she still thinks her worth is tied to her visuals to this day.
Visual isn't necessarily true because if it was then every idol would be gorgeous, and let's be honest all are not. Company are looking for who fits a group, which I guess is why their trading them away like pokemon cards. The funny thing is I don't usually hear SM gain trainees from other companies, I only hear them being poached from them like Gdragon.
@@dinahgraham4964 they may not talk about it much, but they sure do push it on trainees a lot. Also the rotation trainee system is for trainees who aren’t in a set debut lineup (which is what my friend said)
@@vidhatrimysoor9385 that's still good in helping trainees still debut even if its not with that company.
@@dinahgraham4964 yup!
What is media training
I actually agree on the hero/villain one. LMAO. People always think that hating/sending hate and threats to an idol exposed, is gonna help the victim 🤡
right.. make it make sense 🥺
That is probably the by-product of fans' blind incessant hero-worshiping to make up for their own self-worth.
@@loreleileong4071 that’s… so accurate. I see so many kids saying ‘x idol is the same age as me and yet I’ve achieve nothing’ and it makes me mad. Not at them, but at their parents, and education systems. Teen idols succeeding at their young ages doesn’t mean everyone the same age as them is behind in life, they’re just achieving early.
Someone please teach these kids that they don’t need to compare themselves to others, especially not kpop idols.
@@LaurenPebble LMAO. Teens achieving things at a young age is dumb. People hate that they're nothing but kpop idols are achieving everything. But they don't realize the lengths they had to go to debut, the dieting, the hate comments they could get for no reason, the everything.
@@jasoninthea.m7471 I’m not sure if you’re agreeing with me or not. Most of your comment seems like you are, but then you say teens achieving is dumb. Why?
When an idol with 0 talent and have just good-looking, the fans and some ppl always try hard to defend that idol for a million reasons.
But when an idol has good talent but is not good-looking enough or maybe from a not famous group, everyone tries to close of eyes and some ppl try to speard hate anything for that idol.
And until now, that problem has always been like that.
Whenever someone says they're still neutral about Garam. The amount of kpop stans who come out of nowhere to attack that person is messed up. There's nothing wrong with not having an opinion on a scandal especially when the situation involves kids. That doesn't mean anyone is defending Garam.
There is so much evidence against garam you have no reason to stay neutral- some Kpop Stan with a hero complex
I agree. I especially hate when people use misinformation like "the case has been proven by the minster of education" and 'Garam has a restraining order' which are both false, to hate on neutral people. I often wonder how, people can make an opinion without proper facts, or even correct information. It baffles me. Like at least fact check.
The best thing to do is to wait for the police investigation and maybe court case. But the public has been easily swayed by daeryun's posturing and people are putting their own trauma unto Garam, so it's unlikely for them to be objective.
@@ak.a4610 Same, I also absolutely hate it when people are like 'it was proven'/'it was confirmed'. WHO confirmed it and HOW? They could at least say 'it was confirmed by XXX on XXX' or something because just saying 'it was confirmed' without providing a place and source seems like they're grasping at straws
@@chenwang5968 or they do give a place/person and it’s always from twitter. That’s not a reliable source of information. Give me a real news article from a reputable source.
@@chenwang5968 I agree. I hate misinformation and I hate how people are swept up in it. I wish people researched. If they did, they'll realise there's alot more to the story, like for example: Why did Garam's school not list Garam's case as one of bullying on their website? Why did she get a #5? Did she refuse to say she was wrong, or did she commit a heinous act? Why did Eunseo transfer schools? We all don't know. Until the investigation is done, we won't know. So it's best to wait.
second point is so true. I stan a group called kingdom and recently a member left due to personal issues very unexpectedly. Kingmes blamed gf a lot even tho gf did nothing wrong. They deleted his concept photos (understandably since hes not a part of the group anymore) on instagram. But they didnt delete any past video content stuff that he was in. GF has always protected kingdom and gave frequent comebacks and good music. Just because something that u didnt like happened, doesnt mean u blame the company. Its also one of the main reasons why i left twitter. I mean sometimes, u just gotta blame life!
Edit for anyone confused: gf is the name of the company, kingme is the fandom name, kingdom is a K-pop group (nothing to do with mnet show or kdrama)
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!
I didn't know they had a member leaving. That's unfortunate. I am not a stan, but kingdom has been giving quality music, MVs, frequent comebacks, etc. I don't believe having member leaving is always the company to blame. Sometimes if it is the member's personal matter, their privacy should be protected.
I am so confused by this explanation oh my gosh.
@@stanateezstanseventeenstan5408 what don’t u get? Kingmes: kingdom fandom name, GF: company that kingdom is under
@@Pain-yx1ri Oh, I get it now. I just got really confused, I thought that Kingmes was some sort of ceo and then didn't know if GF was the company, a CEO, the member that left, the leader or a staff member and because of that I understood a whole different story lmao. Anyways, thanks for explainiiing.
11:35 A few years ago at a Samsung event a female idol was feeling a bit unwell so didn't really participate. Her fans responded by trending that she was being mistreated and smashing their phones. (The worst part is that she seemed to be suffering mostly from anxiety so her stans acting out would not have helped her at all.) And it was probably a factor in the group losing their Samsung contract a few months later. The dramatics can just be straight up crazy.
which group do you mean?
@@myaa9930 was also thinking about her tbh
I really want to know how did they think that would help their fav? 🙃
@@Simba.26 pretty sure people just don’t think tbh. They act based on their immediate feelings and don’t consider the consequences.
Some kpop stans don't really care about the idol. They just care about the IMAGE that is portrayed of the idol. Like I don't think they realise idols are humans , one slip and omg " he's/she's cancelled ". It's another thing that yes you don't know how the idol actually is irl.
i actually agree with this, most of the people around me irl are problematic asf they’d get cancelled 😭😭 as someone who is a poc and is constantly tired I don’t say they’re cancelled but I just hope they get educated they be like ‘’ omg now chaeryeong did it ???? ‘’ while discovering about giselle mocking the Hindus, like emailing exists ??? but when they apologise it isn’t enough ?? as someone who is constantly tired apology is the BARE MINIMUM like they might as well check their irls first before coming for idols who don’t even know them
I've been listening to kpop for 10 years now, it baffles me how the companies gave up on finding real talents and improving the ones the already have. I'm a 2nd gen fan and when we compare the talents then and now the gap between the generations is gigantic! I just CANNOT understand how people praise their favorite idols for NOT doing the bare minimum! Just adding that not every 2nd gen idol were talented, there was a tone who wasn't, but nowadays it got waaaaaaaay worse.
There’s some new groups who I really like and I think are legitimately talented (Billlie, Verivery), but on a whole, you’re not wrong. There’s plenty of 4th gen idols that could be really good if they’d just had a little more training, but for some reason companies these days would rather debut a group of average talent than have a trainee for more than like 2 years.
@@LaurenPebble I don't know these groups, honestly I kinda gave up 4th gen, it's so hard to find real talents (vocally speaking) that I just gave up, but I'm going to take a look on those groups, any songs you would like to recommend to me ?
About the companies: can we blame them ? a bunch of groups doing a huge success only with looks and songs that sounds the same with fast choreography, they're just going with the flow unfortunately
@@Marcelar22 I'd recommend Purple Kiss. They have some really good dance and vocal covers, I personally recommend 'Danger' dance cover and 'Microcosmos' and 'Adore U' vocal covers(check their RUclips channel for more covers in the 'Purplemance' playlist). They have some really good B-sides(Skip Skip, Can We Talk Again, Hello, Cursor, Joah), but their title tracks so far haven't really done justice to their talents imo
@@Marcelar22 I’m a fan from 3rd gen but it really baffles me how people compare gens, ppl say 4th gen is noise idk how upbeat songs became noise music, but yeah, some says 4th gen sounds the same but imo certain 3rd gens would sound the same cos of the concept and etc if that makes sense no hate or anything I love the music and style some 4th gen are bringing it back
@@Marcelar22 I know this is a little late, but I’d recommend for Billlie their new song Patbingsu, it really gives me 2nd gen vibes. And for Verivery, Get Away is my favourite of their songs, and I’d also recommend Lay Back because the main vocalist, Yeonho, just blows me away in that song.
And if you like them, I’d also say look into Oneus, they have some of my fav vocalists, and I’d say good songs to showcase their vocals is to be or not to be and dead or alive. And Golden Child as well. They’re technically 3rd gen, but they’re right on the cusp, so I don’t know if you’ve heard of them. I think they are just excellent in every way a kpop group can be. Their song, Wannabe, is my fav song of all time. I’d also recommend Let Me, and One (Lucid Dream).
Two things that really big me:
1. The rush to judgement with no apologies from almost anyone when the truth does come out. See the whole Mina/Jimin chain of events. Or Wonho.
2. What constitutes a scandal? Chen marrying his girlfriend and having a baby (now two) is not a scandal. Idol A wearing a piece of clothing from Idol B sponsor is not a scandal. Not in any sane universe anyway.
2)
- according to netizens a scandal is anything that involves an idol who does something they dont like apparently 💀
- imo a scandal is something that an idol/company does that harms their reputation/their groups reputation (usually negatively)
clearly the difference is huge and extreme kpop stans are the definition of insanity
and people BELIEVE the scandals with no proof at all like you said about mina / jimin even soojin, and companies are just trash as wsll
to #6 i think idols being forced to change their singing voices should also be added into this. i’m fairly new to kpop, but the amount of times i’ve learned & seen in comparison videos that some idols are told to change their voices to either be higher, lower, more cutesy, or less soulful is so disheartening... like.... of course they’re going to be seen as less talented if they’re not even allowed to showcase their REAL voice. 😳🙄 it doesn’t make any sense. why have them as idols just to change them!??
p.s - happy birthday!!!! 🎂🎊💓🥳
So true. Kpop companies do not know how to nurture idols with lower voice registers. They just lump them into the rapper category or force them to sing in a higher registers.
i'll never ever forgive JYP ent for what they did to momo's real voice. she actually had power and potential to be a great vocalist, but JYP threw it all away because her real voice "wouldn't suit a cute concept"
maybe look for ways to accommodate lower registers in cute concept?
Moral of the story : kpop needs brains
as a 16 year old soon to be 17 year old,it is simply so baffling and strange that people my own age are debuting and people even younger than me too. i think that the youngest age an idol can debut is 18 like at least they would techincally be an adult at that age. i find it shocking that class:y's youngest member was born in 2008 like huh?! the people who say 27 is a too old age to debut as an idol is crazy. like come on now i miss how back when after school debuted in 2007, kahi was like 26
in lapillus they're going to debut a 13-year old too :)
@@userfatima i forgot abt that but class:y has more members who are minors rather than lapillus
@@michi6108 yeah them too! more and more companies do that.. meh
It’s insane. Beyoncé at 27 was not even close to her prime. Same goes for every pop diva and legend in music
when ppl my age debut I feel talentless
The lack of talent needed + the lack of improvement all comes down to a lack of passion too! I mentioned this before (idk if it was under one of your videos or another kpop video) but trainees are so often trained to sound like a carbon copy of each other to fit a certain sound instead of seeing what sound suits them and then training them to improve in that genre ( same goes for dancing, they're taught the bare minimum to pull off kpop choreos without truly understanding dance as an art and how to be proper dancers, so whenever they do open style choreos rather than kpop choreos, even if they're 10+ years into the industry they still look intermediate). The companies crush the passion these kids have for music just to try and make a few bucks, and then wonder why their groups aren't as popular as BTS, who actually /had/ that passion.
Also, the hero complex thing annoys me /so/ much. Yeah, I feel concerned when an idol looks a bit down or tired because I know the industry they're in is grueling, and let's be honest we all care about the idols we stan. But isn't sending small little "hope you're day is good today" on twitter enough support?? Why do fans feel the need to blame their idol's daily fatigue on something they have NO proof of being the cause? We don't know them or what they're going through or feeling, and the best way to support them is NOT by screaming about some random BS to push your own "i am holier than though" agenda, but just by giving them a little heart online!!!
Sorry for the long post just ugh people
Reasons why idols debut at a young age: It is very difficult not only to become an idol, but also to succeed after becoming an idol. In Korea, where there is a culture where people try to keep one job for the rest of their life, unsuccessful idols have too little time to find another job and prepare for it once they become adults. Debuting at a young age is like taking insurance for a second chance for them.
@@hellooooooooo3956 pretty sure they weren’t saying whether they thought it was right or wrong, just explaining the culture
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number six is so true. like come on dude wtf does these trainings do only for these idols to come out having good a** skills and talents. sure they are talented, but dude a lot of idols have so much that they need to improve. like what on earth is the point of training if they are just gonna debut having mediocore vocal, dancing, rapping skills.
btw if there are people who don't get what i meant at the first statement what i mean there is that what are even the trainings for if they aren't gonna come out having good amazing skills bahahaha i just had to rephrase it cuz after i re read my statement it took me a few seconds to get because of how i worded things 😭😭
oh and also another meaning ig for that statement is that these trainings goals are to make u have good amazing skills when u debut but what is the point of that anyways since people just praise some idol for the bare minimum they do on stage. like come on seriously
@@baby.blue_b This right here fustrates me so f-ing much like its such a joke. It seriously feels like a slap to the face for the ones that are actually talented that didnt even get to debut. But here this one is just looking pretty for camera that does the bare minimum. It rlly does piss me off seeing those ones especially on fricking survival shows. But let me not go there today 😅
@@nelliebellie2222 True
Look at western artists some of them don't got talent like cardi b for example
In my opinion, the hyper competitive (yet insecure) stans are the cause of "the missing factor" that used to be in K-Pop music culture. And the record labels are exploiting the fu€k out of them.
And I'm talking about the ones, who start up unwanted fan wars in comment sections. The ones, who unnecessarily turn the simplest shit into competitions (i.e. Who did it first? Which group did that dance move better? Which idol got that endorsement first?). They can't compliment their faves without throwing subs, shade and shots at other groups.
Five is true. Better to be neutral than to get an unnecessary war on different social media.
Six is, pretty accurate. I've been into old music, and getting back into kpop after months away makes me realize that it feels lacking in something...
So, nowadays I'm just a casual kpop listener.
Also, money and fame are the roots of most of these issues.
I listened to some old Gfriend, Oh My Girl, NCT, Exo and Izone music and it made me wonder "Why are these songs so good and the recent ones just so underwhelming?" I still wonder why that is because now I enjoy those old ones so much and can't stand recent kpop songs
I’ve been not into kpop as much either, I’m just missing the passion. You could be making a song about eating or throwing ass but if ur passionate I’ll most likely enjoy it even more, only a few groups seem to have that spark in them :(
“The need for drama and attention, you’re not getting it at home so you need to get it on the internet” is so true! Literally so many fans tweet petty shit comparing an idol to another idol which is the start of a fanwar, when it gets so bad that user deactivates and now the idol is getting dragged by so many people because someone decided it would be a good time to be edgy on twitter dot com since they aren’t getting any attention. Heck the original poster would even get mad if you politely tell them to delete because it may fuel another fire.
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(2) sasaengs not being held responsible, not getting put in jail and not having restraining orders against them. Wtf are these companies doing.
(7) still waiting for Korean Gov. to make debuting a 19+ thing. But also, I always wonder about the parents who are allowing their kids to join these companies so young. I love Dream but it still makes me mad how all their parents were okay with them moving into a company in Seoul at 14. Wtf. And then sm debuting them at 15/16.
About training system, I think Idols nowadays don't know what to excel or what their strength is. Not having any position make it worse , Like if that trainee is a better vocalist or have unique vocal tone , company give him/her good vocal lessons, or if the trainee has a dancing base , company will give her/him dancing lessons to sharp him/ her , but here they don't have any goal , they want to excel in everything and became a mediocre idol. Also some people are saying , idol "a" trained for 7-10 years why idol "b" from same group is better dancer ? may be because he/she wasn't especially trained for dancing, may be idol "b" already had a dancing background.
Let's me give you a example, Baekhyun and Chen trained for 6 months while Suho trained for 6 years(he supposed debut in Shinee 4 years earlier but he had an accident but he was ready for debut)but Suho is not main vocalist.Because both Chen and Baekhyun had training in singing before idol training , both of them used to sing in college bands ( obviously they are extremely talented,adept things quickly)But Suho is main vocal material if he debut in other groups.So I think we should see every aspect,and for trainee they should set a goal for themselves.
I agree we should but that doesnt mean that ever company thinks like SM
an opinion a ktuber said that i agree with and wanted to share (sorry don’t remember the name): big age gap in groups are not a good idea (ex. le sserafim and the whole humping the floor situation)
edit: omg i forgot to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY you’re one of the ktuber that encouraged me to be more objective and not that guillible anymore !
The blaming thing is so real. Taking Aespa for example. Kpop fans seem to keep bashing them for not singing live. And so they use this to discrediting their whole singing skills. Conveniently forgetting that OTHER SM group also stop singing live. Like why are they acting like Aespa can make the decision of lipsing. It not that hard to guess that SM not letting the girls sing live and that they got no power over it. If Boa, Taeyeon, Wendy and etc arent allowed to sing live, why would think a rookie group can?
girl those doesn't care about aespa or their live singing or their music at first place they just need a reason to hate them
@@bemyhope5059 RIGHT??? Like the moment you confront all their "reasons" to hate the group, you'll see they'll just desperate to find a something.
also them coming for SM idols knowing damn well that majority of these idols under this company have better singing abilities than most of their faves like-
@@starworld9745 Yes just being from SM should prove they can sing. SM always focuses on visuals and vocals. We also have proof with their songs? Like just because someone doesn't sing live on every stage they are in doesn't mean they can't sing.
I dont hate aespa but I do hate their fans they really are anoying ,I know aespa is from SM so that automatically means they have amazing vocals but I can’t call them the best since they don’t sing live but, I think if rookies groups don’t sing live its fine but if a group been around for 5/4 or even more years and they still not singing live or can’t their is something wrong 😑
Man, finally somebody is talking about these k-tube shorts. It's getting on my nerves that a lot of them don't even check the authencity and sensitivity of the information being put out. But hey..what else could we expect when at the end of the day, majority of it are just for garnering views🤷♀️
I think you’re right in the entire video but four, five and six are just SO true..I really see some kpop fans like crazy ppl at this point, they have no sense of objectivity or reflection some times. And the lack of talent really stand out to me when I first start checking on kpop. The way kpop stans are upset with ppl who are asking for real talent like its not a normal thing when you’re trying to listen to MUSIC. Also the fact that kpop fans looove to overhyped some idols for the bare minimum just embarrass me so much
its so funny how most of the problems with kpop stans could be easily solved by shutting tf up
oh my god thank you for addressing the over-dramatization of every single aspect of kpop. as someone who genuinely enjoys many kpop groups but a) isn't 13 and b) has a life, the constant hysterics on kpop twitter are what keep me from being an active participant of any ~fandoms~
I read Sakura and Chaewon's weverse interviews a few months back and I was so shocked to find out that
1) Sakura did not receive any proper training prior to joining Source Music/Hybe
2) They had no training while they were in Izone. The group was so busy that they had no time for anything other than preparing for comebacks
Like you can tell what proper training can do since both girls levelled up considerably in the span of one year. Soumu actually listened and took care of them
But seriously... to constantly bombard kpop groups with schedules to the point they can't grow and develop as artists, and also sometimes at the expense of their health?? that's just mad. no wonder some of them just plateau
With the endurance idols have to take, I feel like it would be best to start training/debuting them at age 18. This is a career and full time job you are talking about. Also the industry being so hung up on children has become quite alarming and low key uncomfortable 👀
For 6. y’all gone wanna tussle but the proper training system that once was left with the last of 2nd & early 3rd gen. Go back in time if you want to and you’ll see a lot more groups were prepared to be singers back then compared to today.
I am probably in the minority here, but I genuinely listen to K-pop just for the music. I know f all about companies, scandals, or the life of idols outside of their promotion.
And it always bothers me that a lot of K-pop fans feel the need to know, see, hear, judge, etc. about EVERYTHING, not to mention the toxic black/white mindset that comes with it.
about the minor issues I think it's because most kpop fans are teenagers or in their early twenties or even much younger(I became a kpop fan when I was 6 and after 1 years I still can't get Gee out of my head) so obviously they're not going to be attracted to someone much older than them (which I believe that is another problem of kpop like what is the attraction anyways???) like for example when you're idk 12? it's unlikely that you would stan someone who is like 30. you would most likely stan a younger person that is a teenager just like you... so I wouldn't entirely blame the industry. the fans also have a share in it.
But at the same time with idols getting younger it does alienate older fans, I’ve been into kpop for 9 years and now I’m 20 it’s weird for me to be a fan of somebody younger then me. It’s swings and roundabouts when it comes to fans
@@chelsietucker2208 I’ve been a kpop fan for 9 years as well, I’m 22, and I have no problem with being a fan of idols younger than me.
@@chelsietucker2208 i don’t understand. what’s the issue with supporting people who are younger than you? /gen
They don’t have to be 30 and I’m pretty young but I prefer if the idol is 17-29
@@buddies6389 ikr. For me, idols born from 2000-2003 are all younger than me but also adults. It’d be pretty weird if I had a problem with them being idols.
14:18 At this point, 5th generation idols will be debuting with the age of 9-10 😐
P.s: whenever this subject comes out, i can only remember about enhypen's niki situation. Seriously! Like, some people forget that boy has 16???!!!!!??!!!
Theres things that i see on tiktok's comments or youtube's comments that make me wanna call the police?!
my ult group is billlie, and i hate how every month ktiktok starts hating on a member
"haram is an awful name" "tsuki is a bad performer" "moon sua is nepotism"
liek? just stop?
it’s annoying how stans say billie have 100 facial expressions that’s why they don’t like them . it’s annoying the disrespect tsuki and san receives cos imo only billlie and ateez lives up with the stage presence no one showed recently in 4th gen
When I got the notification for your video this a.m. I screamed to my Husband, "She's back! One of my fav K-Tubers is back!" 😂😅
It is s refreshing to hear your voice sounding so refreshed. I hope your break did it's job and left you feeling back up to par mentally, emotionally and physically!
Like, I understand that idols were debuting as infants since 1st gen probably. BUT it’s still kind of distasteful to me. Even if they’re doing the “teenage, pure concepts” I can’t really get behind it. If they can’t even attend the whole award ceremony (which is kind of like not being able to do part of their job) then why are they debuting in the first place. We kind of Rage about Disney stars, children celebrities and how damaging it is but then turn around and preach 13/14yo debuting. It’s wild. And then you see news like “ X is now working in a grocery store, flop era lol”. They only finished Highschool, got little to non education, what do you expect of them? Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
god THANK YOU for talking about minors in kpop, it's a huge issue to me and I feel like I'm going insane watching people stan these groups with literal children.
Shana from Girls Planet is about to debut in Lapillus, whose maknae was born in November 2008. She wasn't even a TEENAGER when Shana was on GP last year.
I agree with everything, i think from now its best for sane people like us to casually listen to kpop and stay away from twitter and sites like that as much as we can.
Cheryl: *Uploads a video before her birthday*
Juice and I: *Audibly scream*
Lol welcome back!
Another point for 7. Why aren’t we discussing the parents that allow their children into these conditions. These children can not sign legal documents on their own, if I’m not mistaken( please correct me if I’m wrong). So we need to look at the parents on this one. The companies are only partially to blame for subjugating these kids to trauma. Their parents are in support, even unknowingly, of companies exploiting their children for financial gain. Parents may of course not know what harm may be befalling their child or even that exploitation is even occurring. This also might beg the question of if Korean society (i.e the extreme and toxic work and school cultures, where harmful situations are normalized or pushed/worked through, and if you can’t do that your have to work harder to overcome your “shortcomings”) is also to blame for the parents not realizing that getting into the Kpop industry may not be a good idea at a young age.
i completely agree!! i feel like companies arent doing nearly enough for their idols, especially the young ones. if theyre debuting 13/14yo girls and getting trainees possibly even younger, some of them likely havent started their periods n stuff as well, adding to possible physical health problems as stress/eating issues can affect them
also what are parents doing????? i understand they want a child they can be proud of and show off to the world cuz i would do the same, also if kids are so desperate to be famous/be an idol without knowing the harsh working conditions you would want to let them follow their dreams, but its unfair that these kids are torturing themselves cuz theyre so hung up on their dreams that they end up hurting themselves over it. of course let ur child follow their dream but wait until theyre actually capable of making well judged decisions at like 16+ years of age, or when they at least have other qualifications so theyre not broke at 30 when their company forces them into retirement
the point about companies' handling of scandals/hate towards idols: YES 100% like is it really so hard to have a statement that says something like 'we have talked to _____ on the issue and are sorting it out with anyone else involved, please be patient while we fix this' instead of just bringing new groups with younger and younger minors who are getting sexualised to divert attention this doesnt help at all this just brings younger and younger uneducated kids and more and more problems, and encourages creeps to follow kpop, leading to assaults/crimes by saesangs
@@aan1606 Don't get me started with the ignorance thing. As a Mamamoo fan, I've had enough even without being on twitter(aka hell)
Gotta agree with your 8th point additions, especially the 'racial ignorance vs racism' point. Mamamoo's act of ignorance from literally *5* years ago is still dragged every chance the antis get. The interesting thing is, they are one of the only people who apologised online(2 on behalf of the company and 1 on behalf of the members, and these never made any excuses, just simply "We were ignorant and we hurt people. No excuses, we'll take initiatives to become better" type of statements) and offline.
Afterwards, they attended a seminar to get educated on racism(I've only heard about this since I'm a new fan), and their leader Solar even recommended a Netflix documentary based on the 'central five' incident in New York in 1989 called 'When They See Us'. She not only recommends the show, but talks a bit about how she learned more about how racism still invades and pollutes our society and infrastructure
@@honeybeemoo yes, gotta give it to mamamoo for at least trying to educate themselves
Loving the powerpoint-ish format and new intro. ^^ And happy birthday for tomorrow! ;)
K pop would go so much further if they allow more freedom. Freedom with music, writing, concepts, personality and diets. A lot of things is too controlled and it makes things look bad. Plus the racism needs to be addressed and companies need to do research before taking other cultures for fashion/mv/songs. And actual acknowledgment and respect should be given to those cultures and races.
Plus all trainees who don’t debut need counselling/help if they decide to leave pursuing the industry. It seems that many companies just abandon the trainees they let go, after they spent and gave everything for the company. Or they keep them in the company as soloists but they get zero promo and help (Jamie, golden, Sumni, somi etc)
That’s very unfair and exploitive.
As someone who listens to music and watches variety stuff of many groups in kpop, i genuinly feel like 4th gen will be the last gen of kpop that i have interest in, before i leave this genre. Because by the time 5th gen roles up in 3 to 5 years time, you'll start seeing idols born in 2010 debuting and thats where I'll just have to stop. I'm 21(born in 2001) and cant imagine listening to the music or watching the variety stuff of a 5th gen group with a member whose born in the 2010s🤦🏾♂️. Thats just a no go for me.
Agree with everything basically. And I can’t say it into enough DEBUT GROWN IDOLS (grown being 20+) the music will be better, we will see some diversity in concept especially amount bgs, and the idols will just be more mature and that will translate onstage.
A small differing thoughts on the toleration of mediocrity the longer you’ve been into kpop because as someone who’s been listening to kpop for 8 years now (damn…) I found myself getting into less and less groups because mediocrity is more accepted now. A new kpop opinion that I see becoming more common is that roles in kpop aren’t important or are needed but I think that’s because average idols are debuting so we don’t see much variation in skill sets within groups. Before in 2nd-3rd gen you could identify who’s main vocal, main dancer, the center because yes they got training for everything but idols had a subject to train harder in so youre an exceptional dancers or for me personally more importantly a exceptional vocalist and who was called an “all around idol” was limited compared to today who’s everyone is an “all around idol”. This could come from what the new demographic of active participating kpop fan want because the market is still growing and the current state of kpop ain’t for me.
And we'll get sexy concept I want this concept something like "hush" by miss a
@@mbenguendeye5698or like BEG's Abracadabra
I just happened to be on the subbed channels page and clicked immediately :’j welcome back, happy birthday!!!!!!!!!!!! And thanks for the clean, clear K-pop discussions
"cough cough woojin cough cough soojin....Cough cough Lucas situation cOuGh cOuGh garam situation" i- what- ????????? I want this on my youtube banner
about idols training I agree with that, for example jisoo she trained for 4/5 years but her dancing was very mediocre and not what you expect from someone who trained that long but she improved now since debut
I'm beginning to think they don't actually train.
I think they just keep them for years to make sure they have control over the trainees. It’s like putting a carrot in front of a donkey, to the point the get desperate. Then when they do debut they stay loyal to the company despite all the exploitive things they’ve faced. It’s like they work so hard but they can’t turn back or all the work is for nothing.
That’s they tend to leave after the contracts are up, or if they are a big group like BTS, BLACKPINK or twice they have get some say in their careers. They make too much money to not have any say.
@@Thesilentvoice... They have very little say.
@@harleyqueeen compared to others they get a lot since they are huge and make money. Other groups get nothing, at least black pink and BTS get sponsors, can do solos, are free to travel and socialise with other artists internationally. They do get controlled with their music, brand and not seeing family much, but they have it better than other groups.
Kpop isn't about music, we have to accept that. It's more of like a series with ocasional songs, the "fun" part for the fans it's really the drama, the competitions (look how everyone goes crazy every survival show), the wins, the visuals, the shipping, etc. Anything else it's more important than the music itself and that's kind of genius??? These companies really are just marketing pretty skinny people who dance ok and lip sync, it's like tiktok lmao. Not saying that the music doesn't matter but it does seem to be the least of the worries. It's much easier to refere to a certain period on kpop by it's scandals than by the music.
Happy birthday (for tomorrow)!! And #MinorsShouldntDebut
Exactly.. Music is never priority
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Probably the most accurate comment. I feel like this is the situation with most kpop groups but if you are a solo artist, music is their first priority mostly and the main thing is kpop is just a part of korean music sure its the most popular one, but k- r&b , k-indie and k-hiphop these genre exist too and honestly they have better songs and are passionate about music.
I wouldn't say it isn't music, because Kpop can be very creative and can warrant a lot of stimulating analysis from a musical and artistic standpoint (I'd say the main talent behind Kpop are the music producers and art and design teams behind the scenes 🤷♀️) and it can offer a lot of talent e.g. Hyolyn, one of the most talented human beings, like, ever, or RM, and actual genius. But I will agree that visuals, variety skills, personality, and even scandals, drama, and dare I say parasocialism is just as important. Sometimes, that's the main appeal of the idol. Wonyoung? Maybe not the most skilled idol in anything other than stage presence, but god damn she's doing more than anyone can dream of. Modeling, MC-ing, a new variety show appearance every other business day while juggling her idol career and dealing with the massive amount of hate she gets? Yeah she's a trooper in my book. And she gets all those opportunities because she's pretty and has a nice personality. So yeah, maybe it does have similarities to the Tiktok influencer trend in many ways, but it's more interesting, enjoyable and maybe even more demanding I would say. With more glitter and sparkle I think. Like if Tiktok produces models and "relatable" personas, Kpop produces celebrities
@@parsachoudhury6727 the most alarming things for me is the parasocial relationship ex. bts-army one i dont find healthy how the members feels the need to include their fan in whatever activities they do. it’s like they put us on a pedestal like we put them on one. i am very scared of how they see us as fan but i understand where they come from... but it’s still unhealthy for me
Number six is so true. So, hear me out, when I was watching I-land for the first time one of the contestants was voted to go to the "iland" where he stayed till the semi-finals. I was honestly baffled when I heard and saw him perform. I feel like it's wrong for me to say, but some people aren't and probably will not be fit to be an idol. This contestant *I think* said he had *four* years of training but had not much to show for it.
Edit: um so it wasn't 10 years, it was 4 years and 10 months. I have no idea where tf I got 10 years from💀. Also the guy is Seon, I had forgotten his name.
oh my god I think I know who you're talking about. I felt pretty bad for him bc he was 23 (aka a fkin ELDER in kpop, too old to debut) but then again.... if he had 10 years of training yet a 16 y/o Ni-ki was better than him then idk what they've been teaching him
U mean Hanbin from Tempest?
@@turquoise2332 The only person who had the longest training is K but I wouldnt say Niki was better than him just because he won by global votes
@@turquoise2332 Oooooh yea ur right he did train longer since he also participated in Produce 101 which is also considered training that makes sense thx 😅
@@turquoise2332 oop- ok sorry my bad. I have no idea where tf I got 10 years from💀
Love love love how straightforward you were. I've seen a ton of ktubers and kpop opinion videos but never seen a video that is so well structured and to the point. You've gained a new subscriber. Now excuse me while I go binge watch all the other content on this channel
heeeyyy new watcher here and I've gotta say you've discussed the points I did find disturbing and just... not okay and you've poured in your heart and thoughts here while still remaining objective on the whole matter and that's just really awesome of you. every time a new topic comes up in this video I was like 'ohmygod yes this one!' lemme just type the lines I absolutely adored froom you
5:16 kpop stans do not know who to blame for what
6:34 ... and then we wonder why companies and idols never learn
9:31 we don't talk about kpop reddit here nope
11:43 and everything onwards this is not real genuine support; it's the need for drama and attention
15:05 an industry this fcked up does not need this many kids in it
17:51 and the fact that they won't even put a little bit of effort for the people who are supporting their idols... that's just not okay
will be subscribing now AAAAAAA you're awesome thank you for this and have a great day~
Many people now have been into kpop since second gen, and are mid to late 20s to 30s. Don't these companies realize there's a huge market for older idol groups?? I'm clinging for dear life to 3rd gen groups and then what? Instead of debuting the millionth group featuring child labor, why not debut a girl or boy group in their late 20s?
honestly I fail to understand why parents let their 12,13 year old kids sign into these companies and join these groups. like you said it's quite easy to understand why companies take in idols that young ( and it's weird ) also I find it so weird how kpop stans often sexualize idols who are minors and start infantilizing them when they get older ( not saying it's ok to sexualize them instead )
The editing >>>>>
I think their obsession with minors come from the fact that in South Korea they care about looks alot like you can clearly see this, like the amount of plastic surgeries,diet, ect.. They think younger means prettier. Also another think that I don't get about kpop is Aegyo thing like why the fuck a grown ass man should act like 5yo, I don't have any problem with being natural cute but this is really wierd in my opinion
It’s a cultural thing. It’s not seen as ‘acting like a 5 yo’ to them. I watched a video by a Korean guy who said he found it really frustrating that foreigners find aegyo cringing and gross because it’s so normal to him, that he’s a 30 year old man that does aegyo to his girlfriend basically every day because he wants to. It’s normal for people in romantic relationships to do that to each other. That’s why some idols get uncomfortable doing it on tv because they find it somewhat intimate.
Planet minjae made a video called the fourth gen war. That’s there will be so much competition there will be so many fan wars and I agree cause I’ve seen it so much.
thank you for continuing to discuss these topics, it feels like youre one of the few big voices in the online kpop fan space with a mature perspective. i swear a lot of the loudest people are the most chronically online
The thing about minors… I so agree. Not only cause I think 13/14 year olds have no place in such industry but also because it just seem so depressing to be considered a senior/old when you’re over the age of 26/27. I guess debuting such young children is a 4th gen thing mostly (with exceptions before that) we have yet to see how their careers will develop but from what I’ve noticed so far there would be 2 problems: 1. most groups have 7 year contracts and break up afterwards 2. Very few idols seem to live up to their previous successes solo. That would mean that these idols will be 21/22 year old when their groups disband and majority of them will probably not have a sustainable solo career and be considered ‘too old’. What happens next? A lot of them drop out of school to pursue a career.
Happy birthday girl! And welcome back I hope you had a good rest 💖
The scandal management is so true probably because they wanna elongate the fuss because they know they'll get away with it anyways after releasing a comeback and people will be busy about the comeback and forget there's a ongoing scandal it's giving sm
Its wild how sm are the only one who seem to know how to train their idols
ultimately the villains are the stans on social media pretending to save their faves
I’ve never been so early!! I always love your input in these topics 💕
Your editing has become so much better over time 😌🦋🦋🦋🦋🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
So idk if you've heard about this new boygroup but they're called aefaeuiikfu34pr378q and they're soooooo underrated. ✨✨ Lol. Glad to see you're back Cheryl. ^^
Yessss they are totally underrated!!!🌌🌌
How did you find my password-
As a skkaksk2&;-&8, you should totally stan them!
@@kaesthetical that's my ig password-
Kpop stans please don't tell my password please
Having young idols in kpop had me in SHOCK. I don’t mean 16, I mean 13-14 years old on survival shows and debuting. They haven’t even left middle school at that point. Leeseo is the same age as I am and I was in shock(15). So imagine my suprise when I scroll and see this group named CLASS:Y with members that are 13. That’s a kid. I wasn’t even mentally mature enough to be independent and still am not.
I love your profile pic.....thanks for loving Exy and Wjsn 😭😭
My ults are Irene and Exy
Also, Happy Birthday in advanced 🥺🦋
Welcome back Cheryl 💕 and happy early birthday you beautiful person.
Sometimes, kpop just became hard for me to stan. The amount of scandals and the fandom's toxic behaviour just turns me off. Especially the way that kpop idols nor kpop Stans never learn from past scandals ( 10% have) like please, you can be respectable.
There are times where I feel like I just want to leave and should just listen to western artists to leave Kpop so that I don't have to see a war happening everytime a scandal or song comes by ;-;
I'm happy you comeback Queen
And happy birthday!!
Anyways stream Pixy Villain :)
This is why i love you. you is so detailed, so elegant. i could listen to your voice for hours. Happy Birthday.
Scandal management is always insane because it's pretty frequent where someone will be kicked for their group for reasons that get everyone being like ??????. It's like there is something wrong with companies being so risk averse that they fire idols over the tiniest bit of bad press
Young kids being debuted is also contributing to the very wide belief that people (especially women) are old or washed-up after they hit, like....25.
25 is BARELY being an adult, there are so many beautiful successful people who are well into their 40s or 50s and still making amazing music, but a lot of people see an idol turn 25 and it's like well they're too old now. HUH?
I saw a video talking about the talent pool for kpop idols these recent years in Korea are shrinking fast because of the population decline, also I think eventually this issue about gatekeeping kpop will only grow larger as well. it's an important topic I thought maybe you could give your 2 cents. but it's been very interesting how the industry is heading towards. I initially stayed away from kpop because of toxicity of fandoms that I read about, and that I wouldn't understand the main appeal of kpop. but over time I really enjoyed the huge passion and love when I see real kpop fans and how it made their lives better. I really think we need let more people get into kpop with open arms. and not let the toxicity ruin their enjoyment of being a kpop Stan.
I DEFINITELY agree about the level of talent in Kpop these days. Specifically, vocal talent. I'm so surprised that most of the top tier groups don't have a single strong vocalist among them. I got into Kpop back in the second generation when every group was anchored by at least one or two phenomenal vocalists, and if a group couldn't sing live, they were DRAGGED! These days, Kpop groups are essentially dance crews that lipsync to their own mediocre vocals and I just don't get it.
"Excessive competition", y'all, SUPERKIND is about to debut, which includes AI idols. And not ETERN!TY level of AI, they look believable enough. They are LITERALLY PROGRAMMED TO PERFECTION. You're telling me actual people, some of them still TEENAGERS, have to compete with LITERAL SUPERHUMAN BEINGS now?! Whew. The K-Pop scene is literally a bloodbath at this point.
(Sorry for typing in capitals so much.)
Oh, and happy birthday in advance, Cheryl~
sounds like the txt webtoon lol
First: I'm watching some of your videos for the first time, and the way you present your ideas and opinions is very captivating. Your voice is clear, you don't speak too fast or too slow, and the background videos of choreo gives my brain something to watch while listening (I have ADHD, so all of this is super important for me when watching a video with talking only.) Like, even in some other videos I won't agree with one of your opinions, but the way you express it makes me enjoy hearing it regardless, especially if it helps me view something in a different way and change my mind about something. You give detailed explanations for your reasons instead of just saying "It's my opinion" as your only rebuttal. I've noticed a lot of kpop stans lately using the word "opinion" to bully and spread hate for no reason.
Second: Happy Birthday!! Honestly, I stopped "feeling like I'm getting old" when I hit 31, and other people have said the same. As long as you ignore societal pressures to "grow up" (what does that even mean? do what you want in life at your own pace, don't adhere to other people's idea of what a fulfilling life should be if it's not what you want, be you and do what YOU want and that's it) you'll basically feel exactly like you did in your 20s, just with more knee and back pain.
Third: I wanted to comment on #5 because I agree with this one the most in regards to the hero complex and kpop stans creating bigger problems since I see it the most. I know your view is more in regards to kpop "scandals", but my comment is more about social media. I see some twitter stans try "defending" their faves by bashing the fave of a person posting the original hate comment. Then people from that fandom join in to defend their fave by bashing the "defenders" fave, and it just becomes this all day thing of back and forth BULLYING and HATE fest. This happens almost daily in my fandom, and it's honestly so embarrassing to watch. People need to stop bashing other idols to defend their fave because it makes you look just as bad at the person who started it, and starts unnecessary fanwars. Not to mention, half the time the person starting it is a troll account baiting everyone in anyway.
9:34 i have no words. You are amazing. I just wanna say THANK YOU, GIRL! 🦋🖤
absolutely agree with the cultural education part like atp, we should hold both the diol and the company accountable, if an idol does some sort of cultural appropriation for the first time, I can understand they might not have been educated about that and that is also one big issue but if they do it for the second time, what's the issue this time?? you've been criticized for this thing and then you see it happen to yourself once again?? for what? wendy from RV and Lisa from Blackpink are examples of this because in ktl when Lisa did the cultural appropriation, she was criticized, and rightfully so but what was the issue the second time? you saw it happen, didn't you? and yet you still let it pass and yes ik it was the hairstylist's fault but the second time, Lisa also should've known that this hairstyle caused criticism last time didn't it? the same case with Wendy as well, she mocked the black people's accent or way of speaking the first time and was criticized but what was the case the second time? did she not know what was the issue or what. Idols have access to the internet as well and they can very much see critics' comments as well and yet they just ignore the issue like what. I am seriously so fed up with this
it's even more messed up when it comes to idols that are legit fluent english speakers or that has lived in an international community.....
@@cyberbeautygiselle7413 exactly! as an Indian,
I was so disappointed during the lord Ganesha scandal of hylt bcs i get it it was set maker's fault as well but I don't think there is any way Lisa didn't recognize the idol of Lord Ganesha since it's worshipped in Thailand as well??!! so you're telling me she doesn't know about one of the major gods worshipped in her country?? and we did not even get an apology but just the idol cut out of the mv like bruh
Before watching video: I’m so happy your back. I love you and I hope u took good care of yourself. I missed you a lot Cheryl!
the layout in this video is so pretty!!
also happy birthday for tomorrow!
I'm still wondering how western artists outsold those kpop groups (when it comes to talent) despite some of them train for 7 years or more just to debut with mediocre vocals mediocre dance mediocre stage presence and no writing/producing skills
Great video!! Two points I love that you brought up are Minors in kpop and Refusal to educate.
- When I first got in to Kpop, idols were older than me, then the same age, and now they are all younger than me. It feels weird for me to be a fangirl of a 15-16 year old, and buying their merchandise. I feel like I'm eventually going to grow out of kpop. What's the point of listening to it, when eventually I won't be able to relate. It has shown me the invisible ceiling that exists in kpop.
- As for them educating themselves, I always thought it was so funny how companies want to push their idols in foreign markets but never want to allow them in their own. Since I'm from the U.S I'll use it as an example. We are a mixing pot of ethnicities, if anyone is discriminated against based on race, religion, or skin complexion it's immediately looked down on.
That's all I'm going to say because this is long enough, even though I want to say more 😆😁
every point you make is so true... it frustrates me that almost no one talks about these things. I talk with some of my other Kpop friends and try with some but not every one of them understand what I mean and don't see the problems with these things which frustrates me. like for example I can not support groups like class:y cause of the age of some of the members. they are literally children. and I know for a fact that people at that age should not go through that stuff. if that was me when I was at that age I'd never survive that stuff...its way to brutal for those children. they need to be able to grow up, learn and get confident. this industry breaks people, it doesn't usually build them up...
Graphics and editing on pointe as always! 👌
AHH YAY U POSTED I WAS WAITING 😭😭
So happy to see you back Cherryl :)
Can't agree more with most of your points. 18 minutes well spent. The excessive focus on numbers turns me off. I like seeing discussion about the music, performance, progress, growth, personality, etc. It is ok to keep track of album sales, streaming, but some fans can be hyperfocused on those to a level that overshadows the actual music and people.
no because X fandom talking about numbers when we are talking about music quality to “protect” their faves is 💀 to me like just accept your faves don’t do good music *but* catchy music and go
@@starworld9745 for any type of music, there should be some audience who enjoy it. Even if a song is catchy, it is something to talk about it, and how the idols are doing a good job making it catchy. Especially when the fans use only the numbers to compare groups, I feel it is de-personalizing.
@@shanr3338 i agree with your first point but from what i’ve seen most fans that call a song good is just because it is catchy and enjoyable not necessarily good quality wise (i may have misunderstood your comment)
@@shanr3338 but yeah i do agree the focus on number is annoying like streaming dance practice??? just to brag that they have so much view on a dance practice when really nobody cares.
@@starworld9745 I mean catchiness can be one of many strengths a song has. What I like about kpop is that a lot of thought is put into different aspects of a release. This doesn't happen for every kpop song but quite frequently in kpop. I like seeing discussions about different elements of the song, dance, concepts, etc. Since I do not any background in music, I do not know what contributes to good music, but I enjoy seeing discussions about different things. My comment was primarily about the desire to see more substantive comments than just around the numbers.
I agree that streaming just for the sake of streaming has no purpose and no end.
Very impressed with how concise and well-argued this video was, especially given how big this topic is. Regarding point five, it really gives me the impression that people participating in these hate and harrassment campaigns are addicted to the feeling of power it gives them and therefore constantly look out for the next "villain" they can hurt, the supposed crime of the villain doesn't actually matter to them. How else could you have people that respond to accusations of bullying by bullying the accused person?
Your videos literally make my day!!! Happy advanced birthday!!
OMG i miss u so much
love the new intro by the way
also this is unrelated but i love your voice btw !! i am TIRED of hearing robot voices (lmfao idk what to call them- those text to speech voices) in ktuber videos so 😭
I agree. On both ends of the spectrum. I am really sick of the text to speech voices, and much prefer human voices, and let's be honest, Cheryl's voice is really, really nice.
Honestly it feels cruel to see smaller labels debuting these groups of young teenagers. They don't have the budget or legacy to properly promote these idols, even if they're talented as hell. The market is saturated, and chances are the group won't grow beyond maybe a small cult following. Furthermore, this is such an exploitative industry and literal children should not be exposed to the hatred and intense scrutiny they'll inevitably receive. I wish they could succeed, but I hope these young rookies idols aren't pinning all their hopes and dreams on these small companies.
Happy Birthday!!! Hope you had a great one!!! On a side note, I love your intro. It's very refreshing and sweet!
You are completely right. I remember, when everyone freaked out because Jisoo and Rosie improved their dancing for HYLT, it's that uncommon in kpop that skills improve after debut that people still talk about it two years later.
Happy Birthday to you Cheryl!🎂🎉🎁
And Happy Pride Month to the Alphabet Mafia 🏳🌈🏳⚧
i wish they would ban idols from debuting under 19 but i guess that won´t happen
We misses you! Welcome back lol, and happy birthday🥳🎉🎂
Welcome back!! Also love the new intro 🥳