Imagine you walk into the orthodontists office and it’s this guy sitting there... you sit down and he goes “so you could pull two fucking teeth out but that’s a shitty option so your next shitty option... etc”
Thank you for the work you are doing! I have had to figure out how to reconstruct my jaw due to bad ortho I received as a kid. Just say No to Extractions! I’m getting bi-max surgery very soon. I’m Excited to finally have a level Cant and the counter clockwise rotation.
Well I have Surgically assisted MSE. So I'm currently expanding right now. Also I got miniplates on lower arch to increase overjet through distalization. Then I'll have MSDO+BSSO+ Genio or MSDO(maybe)+IMDO + Genio. I would like to know more about what your doing email me at christianwolf300@gmail.com. Also are you getting MSE?
Also Ron IMDO after finishing distraction you can start exercise right after. So it’s 10-12 days of turning after that you can resume any physical activity. 40 days later you get it surgically removed and recover for 4 days. After 6 weeks you can chew hard foods again. In order for IMDO to work you need upper jaw expansion first your upper molars must overlap your lower molars so you’ll need to expand your upper jaw 8-10 mm with MSE/SMARPE/DOME or Sarpe and have at least an 8mm overjet cause remember it also widens your mandible so if your upper jaw isn’t significantly wider than your lower at time of distraction you will end up in a Brodie bite.
I did a bunch and bunch or research before even knowing about this video and i came to the same conclusions. Distraction just might be the best option.
I had an overbite as a child so I had a herbst appliance to pull my mandible forward. Very fortunate in my case because I had no recession for the maxilla. Downside is my maxilla probably didn't grow as forward as it could have since a herbst appliance discourages forward maxillary growth.
its different with a child because the mandible can still grow at puberty but if u dont treat it before puberty the overbite will "block" the growth of the mandible
I had a herbst appliance too. They’re very strange. It’s definitely better than extraction/retraction. But it does seem to prevent forward growth which sucks. At least my airway is fine.
I have a 100% overbite, therefore, when I line up my front teeth, none of my other teeth even touch. It's made my chin look too small for my face and my smile silly looking. Even if I were to get this appliance to make my bottom jaw bigger, I still would have the problem that my front teeth completely cover my bottom front teeth. The only thing I can think of would be to add huge implanted molars so my back teeth would touch when lined up. I've never met anyone with a mouth like mine. Any suggestions is appreciated.
I have the same condition, if I would place my top 4 incisors on the bottom 4 , no other teeth touch. I thought this was normal until I discovered about mewing few days ago...
@@JessiCat1980WAIT NO, I meant to say that i was reading about mewing and stuff and how it improves the face structure and that's when I got to know that there's an ideal teeth position. Some people do say that mewing helped improve their overbite/deepbite but it can worsen the overbite too , so yeah.
What about crowded teeth? My maxilla isnt smaller than mandible, they are both the same. If i get MSE than my maxilla is gonna be to big for my mandible. My only way would be extractions, but im scared of ruining my face
@@lonelystoner8594 im currently mewing but my maulers aren’t making contact with eachother, but the front of my teeth are, and im forcing my mandible so my front teeth touch. If i relax my jaw then my maulers touch but my front teeth wont be making contact with eachother anymore even tho mewing while making my front teeth touch looks better than my maulers being the one making contact? What should i do? Keep forcing my mandible so my front teeth touch or let it be “normal” as in over bite and let my maulers make contact with eachother?
@@Dondon-wt5mw mewing wont fix an overbite, it will make your whole jaw come forward, but the overbite will stay, on the other hand, the underbite can be fixed with mewing. So if you want to fix an overbite you have to get something mentioned in the video. As for just mewing, you should keep as many teeth in contact (very light contact) as possible, preferably your molars and go from there.
there is another option you didn't talk about, it's called carriere motion appliance. what it does is it pushes the maxilla backwards to match the lower jaw but without extractions. that would be a great option for someone who has maxillary protrusion without necessarily a bad lower jaw.
Hi that’s what I have been advised for a 9mm over jet Damon system with no extractions to push and widen the top teeth back and bands to align my lower jaw slightly bring it forward in line
it seems it is said that intrusion of the whole maxilla can aid in autorotation of thew mandible...? is this not correct, I am not sure. But if you an anterior open bite - and you intrude the upper posterior with tads that you will get the counterclockwise rotation of the mandible as the bite closes, correct? cases say this and also I have been told this. Do you info on this
Is there a list of IMDO providers? This seems like the best solution, no nerve damage, shorter surgery, etc, and widens. But it seems there are no providers in the US.
If your overbite is not severe thats grear cause you can fix it, but not with braces, in my opinion people should only rely on braces to straighten teeth maybe in conjunction with some other treatment, but never as a way to fix issues, it messes up the face even if it looks like its fixing the problem
This happened to me. I used to have INCREDIBLE bone structure and tongue posture and then I got top 2 wisdom removed and both bottom wisdom removed when I was 19, and I’m 21 now and I have lost a depressing amount of volume in the lower half of my face and my tongue has also dropped to the bottom of my mouth. Extremely depressing. I also suffer from a classic 100% deepbite so mewing is a little difficult for me. My jaw has retruded back a disgusting amount as well as my chin and have really lost my cheekbones. I look aged. I’m honestly considering getting 4 implants 2 on top 2 on bottom to regrow my jaw.
Just learn how to mew, look it up, it helps by lowering your jaw and pushing the bottom part out, it takes some years to get that chizzled correct looking jaw structure
ugh, i had like 4 teeth extracted a kid. Braces i swear for like 5 years . front teeth still overlapping and recessed jaw and can't breathe and a lifetime of ugliness, yeah the dentist really fucked me over.
@Rishi Monty Google Aajonus Vonderplanitz, eat completely raw diet predominantly consisting of raw meat. Get the toughest cuts you can and chew as much as possible, build up your tongue's strength and jaw muscles with chewing on tough raw meat.
This guy has the wrong idea about bone development. Bone is not like rock just because it's hard and durable. Bone is living tissue that's still regenerated, and rock is completely inanimate. Even if mewing can't fix every skeletal malformation, it can still have a positive effect over time. Patience is key; any true biological reformation is gradual. I don't care how well intentioned this guy is: he's playing with fire by portraying artificial enhancements and external appliances as a false savior.
Yeah, but he kinda say it when he explained the imdo, as he said the bone after being cutted will slowly regenerate, just the rock example was not good
" So they can both be shitty together" lmaoo
Seems you should be an orthodontist with your own business. You are very knowledgeable; more than most orthodontists will tell about!...
Idk man not sure about that
This guy knows nothing. Wtf are u talking about 🤣
Imagine you walk into the orthodontists office and it’s this guy sitting there... you sit down and he goes “so you could pull two fucking teeth out but that’s a shitty option so your next shitty option... etc”
Thank you for the work you are doing! I have had to figure out how to reconstruct my jaw due to bad ortho I received as a kid. Just say No to Extractions!
I’m getting bi-max surgery very soon. I’m Excited to finally have a level Cant and the counter clockwise rotation.
Well I have Surgically assisted MSE. So I'm currently expanding right now. Also I got miniplates on lower arch to increase overjet through distalization. Then I'll have MSDO+BSSO+ Genio or MSDO(maybe)+IMDO + Genio. I would like to know more about what your doing email me at christianwolf300@gmail.com. Also are you getting MSE?
Really interesting channel.
Thanks Boss I'm a big fan of yours. Cool to see you stopping in.
Oh hi
Damn, straight to the point and very informative. Thank you SO MUCH
Also Ron IMDO after finishing distraction you can start exercise right after. So it’s 10-12 days of turning after that you can resume any physical activity. 40 days later you get it surgically removed and recover for 4 days. After 6 weeks you can chew hard foods again. In order for IMDO to work you need upper jaw expansion first your upper molars must overlap your lower molars so you’ll need to expand your upper jaw 8-10 mm with MSE/SMARPE/DOME or Sarpe and have at least an 8mm overjet cause remember it also widens your mandible so if your upper jaw isn’t significantly wider than your lower at time of distraction you will end up in a Brodie bite.
Great explanation. Do you know anyone who performs this surgery in the United States? If not, where in the world is this surgery performed?
I did a bunch and bunch or research before even knowing about this video and i came to the same conclusions. Distraction just might be the best option.
I had an overbite as a child so I had a herbst appliance to pull my mandible forward. Very fortunate in my case because I had no recession for the maxilla. Downside is my maxilla probably didn't grow as forward as it could have since a herbst appliance discourages forward maxillary growth.
its different with a child because the mandible can still grow at puberty
but if u dont treat it before puberty the overbite will "block" the growth of the mandible
I had a herbst appliance too. They’re very strange. It’s definitely better than extraction/retraction. But it does seem to prevent forward growth which sucks. At least my airway is fine.
I have a 100% overbite, therefore, when I line up my front teeth, none of my other teeth even touch. It's made my chin look too small for my face and my smile silly looking. Even if I were to get this appliance to make my bottom jaw bigger, I still would have the problem that my front teeth completely cover my bottom front teeth. The only thing I can think of would be to add huge implanted molars so my back teeth would touch when lined up. I've never met anyone with a mouth like mine. Any suggestions is appreciated.
I have the same condition, if I would place my top 4 incisors on the bottom 4 , no other teeth touch. I thought this was normal until I discovered about mewing few days ago...
@@sabir5596 I will have to look up 'mewing'. Ty
@@JessiCat1980WAIT NO, I meant to say that i was reading about mewing and stuff and how it improves the face structure and that's when I got to know that there's an ideal teeth position.
Some people do say that mewing helped improve their overbite/deepbite but it can worsen the overbite too , so yeah.
I have the same condition. I wonder whether reversing it counter clockwise surgically will fix the problem
I will be the first person in the world to do SMARPE with IMDO+ Genio
Sounds like what i need
Matt Pytlewski IMDO+ Genio $15k-$20k
Msdo imdo lldo genio lefort 1 2 3.
EricDO
Meep Meep lmfao
Mewing won't help fixing an overbite? Dr. Mew did suggest that in a video. Love to read your thoughts on it
I cant fit my tongue between my teeth to mew
@@NikNakPattieWak Then you need to increase the size of the palate using other methods. I.e. MSE.
It's slow, only works for a child and teen
What about crowded teeth? My maxilla isnt smaller than mandible, they are both the same. If i get MSE than my maxilla is gonna be to big for my mandible. My only way would be extractions, but im scared of ruining my face
I had the first option done and it’s ruined my health and I now have TMJ. Now that AGGA has proven to be dangerous what else can I do?
U have jaw clicking on one side when oben ur bite?
I have jaw clicking on one side. I currently wear the DNA appliance which has slightly helped so far
Chico Rose it’s both sides but one is worse
Jared is DNA remodeling/growing the bone?
SAME extractions gave me TMJ
My dentist wants to extract 4 of my teeth because I have crowding
Did you let him?
:( i dont wannnnaaaa get surgery
It’s not like you need it. You’re literally perfect already :(
@@andrewgarfield9898 But he has an overbite, it doesn't matter how u look like on the outside.
GreenBudgiePlays overbite my ass. I wish I had his “overbite”. If I looked like him I’d be so happy
@@andrewgarfield9898 He could still look significantly better if he fixed the overbite.
@@andrewgarfield9898 If his overbite was fixed, his face will look more symmetrical.
I'd rather see what I can do naturally.
hahahahaha
Meowing
Good look with that
@@lonelystoner8594 im currently mewing but my maulers aren’t making contact with eachother, but the front of my teeth are, and im forcing my mandible so my front teeth touch. If i relax my jaw then my maulers touch but my front teeth wont be making contact with eachother anymore even tho mewing while making my front teeth touch looks better than my maulers being the one making contact? What should i do? Keep forcing my mandible so my front teeth touch or let it be “normal” as in over bite and let my maulers make contact with eachother?
@@Dondon-wt5mw mewing wont fix an overbite, it will make your whole jaw come forward, but the overbite will stay, on the other hand, the underbite can be fixed with mewing. So if you want to fix an overbite you have to get something mentioned in the video. As for just mewing, you should keep as many teeth in contact (very light contact) as possible, preferably your molars and go from there.
BRUH UR JUST BRILLIANT AGHHHH
I like the way you talk. Very straightforward.
there is another option you didn't talk about, it's called carriere motion appliance. what it does is it pushes the maxilla backwards to match the lower jaw but without extractions. that would be a great option for someone who has maxillary protrusion without necessarily a bad lower jaw.
Hi that’s what I have been advised for a 9mm over jet Damon system with no extractions to push and widen the top teeth back and bands to align my lower jaw slightly bring it forward in line
I going to ask my orthodontist about this because my lower jaw isn't that bad.
Ron, what are your plans for your teeth health once you achieve your correct bite.
Are the expansion screws only available for 8,10,12 mm? Could there be less like 6mm Maximum? Or could there be more like 15 or 20mm? Thanks Ronald
Only 8,10, & 12mm
Thanks for the video Ronald! can you make an updates video on the facemask, its benefits, side effects?
it seems it is said that intrusion of the whole maxilla can aid in autorotation of thew mandible...? is this not correct, I am not sure. But if you an anterior open bite - and you intrude the upper posterior with tads that you will get the counterclockwise rotation of the mandible as the bite closes, correct? cases say this and also I have been told this. Do you info on this
Wish I would have know this 12 years ago before I had my wisdom teeth removed :(
Is there a list of IMDO providers? This seems like the best solution, no nerve damage, shorter surgery, etc, and widens. But it seems there are no providers in the US.
Is there any point in getting imdo if the maxilla is still gonna be recessed?
They do something called SuperBimax which combines Double jaw surgery and IMDO, check it out
if your overbite isn't that severe, will braces fix it?
Braces retract your teeth so no it will do the same as extractions and push your top teeth back (what happened to me)
If your overbite is not severe thats grear cause you can fix it, but not with braces, in my opinion people should only rely on braces to straighten teeth maybe in conjunction with some other treatment, but never as a way to fix issues, it messes up the face even if it looks like its fixing the problem
didint john mew say that he can make the jaw grow forwards when hes correcting an overbite?
How
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On children and teens, I believe.
This happened to me. I used to have INCREDIBLE bone structure and tongue posture and then I got top 2 wisdom removed and both bottom wisdom removed when I was 19, and I’m 21 now and I have lost a depressing amount of volume in the lower half of my face and my tongue has also dropped to the bottom of my mouth. Extremely depressing. I also suffer from a classic 100% deepbite so mewing is a little difficult for me. My jaw has retruded back a disgusting amount as well as my chin and have really lost my cheekbones. I look aged. I’m honestly considering getting 4 implants 2 on top 2 on bottom to regrow my jaw.
Why not jaw surgery?
@@extraextraxtraterrestialah8794whats the difference
Your options are incomplete. Herbst Appliance can grow and fix an overbite even in adults.
Just learn how to mew, look it up, it helps by lowering your jaw and pushing the bottom part out, it takes some years to get that chizzled correct looking jaw structure
What you get with upswing/CCR? Do you get wider face?
ugh, i had like 4 teeth extracted a kid.
Braces i swear for like 5 years .
front teeth still overlapping and recessed jaw and can't breathe and a lifetime of ugliness, yeah the dentist really fucked me over.
what about getting mse for a couple of months and getting braces for a couple more to correct a minimal overjet?
So how did you correct your overbite?
After double jaw surgery is finished and bone has grown can you still get mse to expand the Maxilla?
Should have been the opposite.
Mse first then surgery
If I've never had extractions done, and have my four wisdom teeth (didnt erupted) can MSE make the come out?
Fátima v if your an adult no
None of them?
@@kseniyazarubina5484 not even one
@Rishi Monty I can help you, but will you listen? My advice is beyond controversial.
@Rishi Monty Google Aajonus Vonderplanitz, eat completely raw diet predominantly consisting of raw meat. Get the toughest cuts you can and chew as much as possible, build up your tongue's strength and jaw muscles with chewing on tough raw meat.
What do u think if I have overjet and I’m getting cariere motion??
dumb question: can SFOT facilitate the growth of wisdom teeth?
no you need third molar transplant
I have this issue right now as well as a narrow palate should I do MSE before I consider the IMDO or Bimax surgeries?
Yes do MSE/DOME FIRST as it is usually required for Lower jaw advancement
Is it possible to do MSE and follow it up with DSSO or IMDO?
Yes I have MSE and will do IMDO In 2022
@@operationleyenda6976 where are you getting IMDO done?
@@operationleyenda6976 Thanks !
Yosemite Puebla Mexico
Yosemite So IMDO is like $10k that’s it
How far do the upper teeth have to overlap the lowers for it to be considered an overbite
8mm atleast 11mm ideally
@@operationleyenda6976 "Ideally" is a interesting choice of words for something bad.
Jonis oh my bad I was thinking about required overjet for IMDO.
Eric wait mine is a 6 probably 5 mm gap but why is it not closing with my elastics
Sarya Rabah I would try to increase overbite and do lower jaw surgery
What about the Homeoblock?
This guy has the wrong idea about bone development. Bone is not like rock just because it's hard and durable. Bone is living tissue that's still regenerated, and rock is completely inanimate. Even if mewing can't fix every skeletal malformation, it can still have a positive effect over time. Patience is key; any true biological reformation is gradual. I don't care how well intentioned this guy is: he's playing with fire by portraying artificial enhancements and external appliances as a false savior.
Yeah, but he kinda say it when he explained the imdo, as he said the bone after being cutted will slowly regenerate, just the rock example was not good
What can you do if the over bite is sudden(2 weeks) can you undo it?
does anyone know who does IMDO and MSE in italy??
John mew says overjet are easily corrected at Any age so I do not think you’re in the right picture here
But I thought mandible size for overjets are mainly similar it's just the position that's off
thank you so much for the information
Didn´t Mew said that people who get surgery relapses after a couple of years?
well if he said that he is an idiot
once the bone fills in with these surgeries it wont go back to normal every
@@Dylan-lq4xv post it, how can bimax for example remax? Surgeons literally fix it with 2 screws
I can't imagine relapse would happen if you practice proper tongue posture after the surgery.
@@andrewchristie3139 same
Is Mike Mew an Oral maxillofacial surgeon? No so he has no authority to speak on that.
I hve a 14mm overjet😐
What about herbts appliances
what about myobrace or stage 3 biobloc?
Do mewing fix a recessed chin?
Some people say theirs has improved, i think it does, its just really slow like with all the other benefits of mewing in general
How much does double jaw surgery normally cost?
Haha lol american, it's free for me
@@extraextraxtraterrestialah8794 do u have insurance?
What about palate expansion
Anyone have any luck finding an oral surgeon that does IMDO in the US? Or do I have to go Australia to see the goat Dr Paul Coceancig
christianwolf300@gmail.com i can give you all the info you need.
Dr. Paul charges $9k for IMDO $30K hospital fees
Profilo America surgeon charges only $13-$15k for IMDO that’s it
Rollie I gave you price for IMDO and it’s actually $11-$12k that’s it everything included.
@Rollie christianwolf300@gmail.com
For IMDO no payment plans need $12k ready before surgery.
Thanks for the video:)
im cracking up while crying about being fucked v___v
I would let this guy explain anything to me.
Doesnt DJS often relapse tho however?
no
What about elastics with braces?
I personally wouldnt do that
What about appliances like herbst
its inferior
B T the best thing you can do is move bone.
B T jaw surgery reins supreme
What about MARA or Herbst appliance?
Damn what a great and detailed explanation. Thanks dude👍
BSSO or IMDO
are you even a dentist
no
but dentists has nothing to do with these surgeries anyways
You do know it’s actually orthodontist who deals with bites and teeth really smh
No because dentists don't specialize in topics like these lmao
Dentist don’t know Jack shit about this
A dentist would say extractions then braces. Do you wanna move your upper jaw back?