14:49 As a Trinitarian, I'm very interested in what you have to say, but: I think the point is, Jesus, at his resurrection still has the scars. Jesus is still mediating for us. So the economic Trinity is still in place. It's really only, 1 Corinthians 15:28: “When God will be all in all”, that Jesus will hand over the Kingdom to God the Father, that he will resume his place.
My father is greater than all; I am in my father and my father is in me! That applies to all people we are all in the Father, we can all be one in the Father with Jesus; this has to do with childlike union in spirit and in truth; this is to walk in the light of love as 1 john is talking about. It had to do with total childlike submission to the Father. We are totally in union with our father like little children.
*THE GOD & FATHER OF JESUS* (Almighty God Has No Father & Prays to No One) • Romans 15:6 - *God & Father of our Lord Jesus Christ* • Ephes. 1:3- *The God and Father of the Lord Jesus* • Ephes. 1:17 - *the God of our Lord Jesus Christ* • 1Corinths. 15:24 - Next, the end, when he [Jesus] hands over the Kingdom to his *God and Father* • 2 Cor. 1:3 - Praise be *the God & Father of our Lord Jesus Christ* • 2 Cor. 11:31 - *The God and Father of the Lord Jesus* • 1 Peter 1:3 - *The God and Father of the Lord Jesus* ______________ *JESUS CLEARLY WORSHIPS HIS FATHER* *How Can the SON Be CO-Equal To The FATHER If He Worships HIM?* 🤔 • Jesus says *"The Father is Greater than I?"* (John 14:28) 🔴 What part of *"Greater Than" don't Trinitarians Understand* ... *Mathematicians* get it... *1+1+1=3* ... *Greater Than* denotes *one being superior to the other!* *NO SUCH THING AS "Co-Equal Essence or Trinity Godhead" in Scripture!* • John 4:22 - Jesus says: You worship what you do not know; *WE WORSHIP* what we know! *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)* • John 17:3 - Jesus calls the Father *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* ?... "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, " *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* ," [ *and* ] the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." ( *Clear Distinction Here* ) • Jesus calls his Father " *My God and your God* ?" in *[the flesh]* (John 20:17) & *[in spirit]* in heaven (Rev. 3:12): - John 20:17 - on earth - Matt. 27:46 - on earth - Mark 15:34 - on earth - Rev. 1:6 - in heaven - Rev. 3:2 - in heaven - Rev. 3:12 - in heaven *[My God 4 times]*
Beautiful passages. . ...have you ever heard a trinitarian say: '...the trinity is all throughout the Bible...'? Someone should write a book called 'The Trinity Delusion'!
And look at that, not a single reference to obscure, unrelated, or OT texts to try and substantiate his claim - straight to the New Testament, interpreted in plain, straight-forward, and unambiguous language. And in abundance - not the exceptions to the rule. I've often thought to myself how desperately and recklessly that I would have to exegete the Scriptures, if I were hypothetically obligated to justify the doctrine of the trinity. And worse, how utterly inept and farcical that I would appear if I ever had to explain what I just concluded.
If the Son could do nothing but what He sees the Father do, does that mean that the Father was born of a virgin on a different world and died for the sins of humankind on that world?
I think it's a mistake to say "the Trinity" rather than "the so-called Trinity" as it to the ears of some grants it legitimacy. Also the phrase "Son of God" is a Hebraism for "The Messiah." I highly recommend the book _Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus_ written by David Bivin, a Trinitarian whom I have deep respect. He will teach you the importance of understanding that Hebrew is the most important language for not only understanding the OT but also the synoptic Gospels and part of Acts as well. If you want to further equip yourself to defend the unity of God as one person, God the Father, pick up this book! Oh, the things you will learn! It's a very brief but dense work.
Turn away from your sins and turn to God. Romans 10:9 says that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is lord(the boss) and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Then find a Christian (preferably a unitarian Christian) to baptize you. I can’t really speak to your particular healing and deliverance since I don’t know you but surrendering in your heart to God through Jesus is the starting point.
How would you respond to someone who says “the early church fathers (before Nicaea) didn’t believe that Jesus was ONTOLOGICALLY subordinate to the Father” ?
I’m not convinced of the logical conflict between ontological equality and permanent subordination. I’m not totally sold on that whole metaphysical approach to “natures” and “ontology” etc. But I’m not sure it really matters. It serves as a powerful “internal critique” of most Trinitarian models, which DO assume these metaphysical rules about ontology (as demonstrated by how vehemently most trinitarians oppose “eternal functional subordination”). And the observations still serve to demonstrate clear and obvious distinctions between the God of the Jews, who is supposed to not be subordinate to ANYONE, and the Man Jesus, who is explicitly subordinate to the God of the Jews - and I think biblical monotheism is more concerned with who has Sovereign power and authority than it is with “ontology.”
*Questions I Have That Have NOT Been Answered "SCRIPTURALLY" By Trinitarians:* 👋🏽 ~~~~~~~~~~ 1) Why does Jesus call his Father *My God and your God?* in *[the flesh]* (John 20:17) & *[in spirit]* in heaven (Rev. 3:12) - John 20:17 - on earth - Matt. 27:46 - on earth - Mark 15:34 - on earth - Rev. 1:6 - in heaven - Rev. 3:2 - in heaven - Rev. 3:12 - in heaven *[4 times]* *[Almighty God Has No God, Worships No One]* 2) (a) Why does Jesus say " *The Father is Greater than I* ?" (John 14:28) *[Is Jesus lesser than the so-called "Co=Equal Essence of himself]?"* 🤔 🔴🔴🔴🔴 (b) How is it that the Father has no beginning, yet Jesus is *the first of* *"all creatures" / "every creation"* & still Co-Equal w/ the Father? *{Jesus Has A BEGINNING}* *• Colossians 1:15:* • Which is the image of invisible God, *the first begotten of each creature.* *~J. Wycliffe Bible (1384)* *[NOTE] 1st English Bible; published 227 years before KJV* *• Revelation 3:14* These things saith Amen, the faithful witness and true one, which is *the beginning of God's creatures.* ~John Wycliffe Bible 🔺️ *[References]* 🔺️ *Strong's Greek Concordance:* *ktiʹzo* {create} *ktísis* - *{creation (creature)}* *κτίσις, κτίσεως* act of founding, establishing, building, etc. *founded from nothing; creation out of nothing (Latin: ex nihilo).* creature; created; creation} *ktizó: to build, create* *Original Word: κτίζω* *Transliteration: ktizó* *Phonetic Spelling: (ktid'-zo)* *Definition: to build, create* *Usage: I create, form, shape, make, always of God.* *ktízō -create, which applies "only to God" who alone can make what was "not there before" (Latin, ex nihilo, out of nothing, J.Thayer);* 🟥 *These terms are used exclusively with reference to *Divine [Godly] creation* *(Almighty God giving someone a beginning).* ~~~~~~~~~ 3) *John 4:22* - Why does Jesus say: You worship what you do not know; *WE WORSHIP* what we know? *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)* 4) *John 17:3* - Why does Jesus call the Father *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* ?... "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, *"THE ONLY TRUE GOD,"* [and] the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." (Clear Distinction Here) 5) *1 Tim. 2:5* - Why does Paul say: "There is *ONE GOD* and *ONE MEDIATOR* btwn God & men, a man Jesus Christ. 6) Why did Jesus say, *"The Son can't do anything on his own, only what he sees the Father doing."* (John 5:19) 7) *John 17:21* - Why did Jesus say: so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, *that they also may be in us* *{see vs. 22-23 also}* *1 John 5:20* - we are *in Him [God]* *Are his Disciples Part of the Trinity?* 8) *Luke 18:19* - Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? *Nobody is good except one, God.* (Luke 18:19) 9) What is the "official" name of the holy spirit (If the Father is Jehovah & the Son is Jesus... ("Helper" / "Comforter" /"Avocate" are "Titles")? (Matt. 28:19) 10) If Jesus sits at the right-hand of God In heaven, where is the Holy Spirit's Heavenly Throne? (Psalm 110:1 & Hebrews 10:12) 11) Since God is a person (Heb. 1:3) & Jesus is the image of *"HIS PERSON,"* why is the Holy Spirit called *"IT"* in *Authorized KJV (1611)* (a) *John 1:32* - John bore witness that [it] (the Spirit) abode on him [Jesus] (b) Romans 8:16 - Spirit [itself] (c) Romans 8:26 - Spirit [itself] (d) 1 Peter 1:11 - [it] testified *[Why was this later changed to "He" by Trinitarians in New KJV?... Ancient Manuscripts still say "IT"]* 12) *John 1:18* - If "Jesus" & the "Holy Spirit" are of the same Godhead with God Almighty, why do Scriptures say no man has seen God *AT ANY TIME?* Yet, John the Baptizer "beheld" the Holy Spirit descending upon Jesus? (John 1:29 & 32) *[2 members of the So-called Trinity]* 13) *Matt. **12:32* - If Jesus & the Holy Spirit are of the same GodHead, how can U sin against *Jesus [Son of Man]* and be forgiven, yet sin against the *Holy Spirit* and NOT be forgiven? 🤔 14) (a) *John 10:33* - After the Jewish Leaders attempted to stone Jesus, accusing him of *making himself "God"* (KJV) ... Why did Jesus correct them by saying, *"I said I am God's Son?"* (verse 36) (b) *Luke 1:32 & 35* - Why does the Angel Gabriel call Jesus *Son of the Most High?* 15) (a) *John 20:28* - After *Thomas* said, *"My God & My Lord,"* ... Why does *"vs 31"* say "But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, *THE SON OF GOD?* (b) *Matt. **16:15**,16* - When Jesus asked, *"Who do U say I am,* ... Why did Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, *THE SON OF THE LIVING God?”* *(Not God the Son)* 16) *Hebrews 5:7* - If Jesus is Almighty God, why does he *pray to & fear* the One who saved him from death??? 17) (a) If Jesus "is" Co-Equel w/ the Father, does he have to be *"given authority"* by *The Ancient of Days?* (Daniel 7:13-14) (See also: Matt. 18:18) (b) After ruling for 1,000 years (Rev. 20:4-6), why must Jesus return the Kingdom to *his God & Father* ? (See: 1 Corinths. 15:24) 18) *Mark 13:32* - If Jesus is All-Knowing [om·nis·cient]: Why did he 'not' know the day nor the hour? 19) *John 8:40* - Why does Jesus say: "But now you are seeking to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard *from God* if he is Co-Equal w/ Almighty God?" 20) *Matt. **20:23* - Why does Jesus say that he does 'not' have the right to authorize kingdom privileges in heaven, only the Father does? ------ *Please show me these phrases in Scripture:* • *God The Son* • *God The Spirit* • *"Co-Equel Essence of God"* • *"Trinity"*
*[Hebrews 1:6]* *Greek Word Proskyneo Mistranslated as "WORSHIP" by Trinitarians* The Greek word ( *προσκυνέω* ) *proskyneo* (used about 60 times in the New Testament) equates to *prostrating oneself"* ...That was translated into Latin as *"adoro* [English: adore],'' which in the *King James Bible* became *"worship"* in reference to Jesus Christ. But the two words *adore & worship* don't mean precisely the same thing. A sly adjustment to *"worship"* at Hebrews 1:6 to insinuate that Jesus should be worshiped like the Father. • *Hebrews 1:6* - and when he shall again bring in the firstborn into the world of men he says *“and let all God’s angels do him reverence.”* ~ Byington Translation *3 Outstanding Examples of Mistranslation of pro·sky·neʹo as "WORSHIP" in Authorized KJV of 1611 (and other modern Bible Versions):* 1) *Matthew 14:33* - Jesus’ disciples acknowledged him as *GOD’s SON,* ... *not GOD Himself* after he walked on water. Jesus always taught them to *worship his Father as he himself does* (John 4:22 & 20:17). *[Incorrect rendering]* 2) *Mark 15:19* - The soldiers hit Jesus in the head with a reed, spit on him then *worshipped* [Greek: proskeneo] him. *(really ???)* 🤔 *[Correct rendering]* *[New Living Translation]* And they struck him on the head with a reed stick, spit on him, and *dropped to their knees in mock worship.* 3) *Rev. 3:9* - Jesus says he will make his enemies who are a synagogue of Satan *worship* [Greek: proskeneo] the members of the Philadelphian Christian Congregation. *[seriously???]* 🤔 ~~~~~~~~ *[Matt. **14:33** Correctly Translated]* *New World Translation:* Then those in the boat *did obeisance to him*, saying: *“You really are God’s Son.”* *[See Footnote: *bowed down]* *The Bible In Living English:* And those who were in the boat did him reverence, saying *“You certainly are the Son of God.”* *Young's Literal Translation:* and those in the boat having come, did bow to him, saying, *'Truly -- God's Son art thou.'* *Weymouth New Testament:* and the men on board *fell down before him* and said, *"You are indeed God's Son."* *New American Bible:* Those who were in the boat *did him homage,* saying, *“Truly, you are the Son of God.”* *Complete Jewish Bible:* The men in the boat *fell down before him* and exclaimed, *“You really are God’s son!”* *Darby Translation:* But those in the ship came and *did homage to him,* saying, *Truly thou art God's Son.* *J.B. Phillips New Testament:* The whole crew came and *knelt down before Jesus*, crying, *“You are indeed the Son of God!”* *God’s Word Translation:* The men in the boat *bowed down in front of Jesus* and said, “You are truly *the Son of God*.” *Genesis 33:3* - *Jacob bows before Esau 7 times [to show respect, make peace, not worship]* ~~~~~~~~ *Proskeneo Properly Defined* *Unger’s Bible Dictionary* This word literally means *to ‘kiss the hand of a superior as a token of reverence or to do homage.’* *An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words,* by W. E. Vine, This word *“denotes an act of reverence."* *Hebrews 1:6* [pro·sky·neʹo] • *“pay him homage”* *(New Jerusalem Bible)* • *"do obeisance to him"* [or Footnote] *"bow down to him"* *(New World Translation)* • *“honour him”* *(The Complete Bible in Modern English)* • *“bow down before him”* *(Twentieth Century New Testament)*
🚩 *Dilemma: 2 Helpers* 🚩 *(2 Pa·raʹkle·tons)* At *John 14:6* - Jesus calls the Holy Spirit *"another helper {comforter or advocate depending on Translation or Version}”* *another paraclete* *{Greek: alʹlon pa·raʹkle·ton}* _________ At *1st John 2:1* - Jesus Christ is also called a *helper {comforter or advocate... depending on Translation or Version}* *Greek: pa·raʹkle·ton* _________ *Even the Trinity Disclaimer admits that:* • *The Father isn't the Son or Spirit* • *The Son isn't the Father or Spirit* • *The Spirit isn't the Father or Son* *Yet, All 3 are part of the same So-Called Co-Equal Essence of One Godhead!* (terms not in Bible) So, @ *Matt. **12:32* - If Jesus & the Holy Spirit are of the same GodHead, how can U sin against *Jesus [Son of Man]* and be forgiven, yet sin against the *Holy Spirit* and *NOT* be forgiven? 🤔 ~~~~~~~~ *Holy Spirit Called "IT"* *(Not a Person)* Since God is *A PERSON* (Heb. 1:3) & Jesus is the image of *"HIS PERSON,"* why is the Holy Spirit called *"IT"* in *Authorized KJV (1611)* (a) *John 1:32* - John bore witness that *[it]* (the Spirit) abode on him [Jesus] (b) Romans 8:16 - Spirit *[itself]* (c) Romans 8:26 - Spirit *[itself]* (d) 1 Peter 1:11 - *[it]* testified *[Why was this later changed to "He" by Trinitarians in New KJV?... Ancient Manuscripts still say "IT"]* [NOTE] Trinitarian Terms Not Found In Scripture: • Co-Equal Essence of the Godhead • God The Son • God The Spirit • Trinity ~~~~~~~~ *GOOD QUESTION:* *Why is the Helper [Comforter / Holy Spirit] called "HE" @ John 14:26?* 🤔 *ANSWER:* The Greek demonstrative pronoun *e·keiʹnos* is in the masculine gender and refers to the helper, *which is also in the masculine gender in Greek.*
Trinitarians usually go to John 1:1 to prove their point. “In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. The same (this or it, houtos) was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made.” John 1:1-3 King James They do not realize that the “word” (logos) is impersonal. “This (houtos) was in the beginning with God. Through it (autou) everything was done; and without it (autou) not even one thing was done, which has been done.” John 1:3 Diaglott William Tyndale spent most of his life translating the Bible. He translated “This” (houtos) as “it.” The Geneva Bible of 1560 and the Bishops’ Bible of 1568 also translated “this” (houstos) as “it.”8
Great effort another compelling explanation is this ;-) The Word was with God, in the Greek has the definite article " before God "" which denotes . The Word was God is an incorrect translation and here is why. God in this section of the verse does not have the definite article "ho" or "the" in the original Greek. In Koine Greek grammar when the definite article is missing the word next is to be understood as a . So the verse should read "and the word was ". Or as some translations render it ". Of course this makes perfect sense, Jesus was and is a god and divine in nature, but he is separate, created, distinct and subordinate, to his Father, God Almighty. The definite article is only ever used in respect of God in the Greek texts, never in respect of Jesus. It's that simple, this is another scripture rendered inaccurately to support the false trinitarian teaching. This is simple Koine Greek grammar.
@@Cafez27 ok no offense but this statement is totally wrong. Many times in the Greek New Testament an article is lacking and it doesn’t make it indefinite “a” including of God the father, see Philippians 2:13.
@@jordandthornburg what a polite response thank you. My I he equally polite in saying it’s absolutely correct, if you look at the Koine Greek at Philippians 2:13 has the definite article ‘ho’. The definite article is only ever used in relation to God Almighty never for Jesus.
@@Cafez27 no it doesn’t. Here is the text Philippians 2:13 (SBLGNT): θεὸς γάρ ἐστιν ὁ ἐνεργῶν ἐν ὑμῖν καὶ τὸ θέλειν καὶ τὸ ἐνεργεῖν ὑπὲρ τῆς εὐδοκίας. This is not “a god” here is it? Also the article is used for Jesus all the time, ο Ιησούς, ο Χριστός, etc.
Do you mean, what is the importance of Jesus to unitarian Christians? He’s the Messiah, God’s anointed king, the one to whom we all kneel, the head of the church, and founder and finisher of our faith.
*The Real Truth About "Mighty God"* *[Isaiah 9:6]* It is true that at Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is prophetically referred to as *"Mighty God" (Hebrew, ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ).* So is the Father in some texts.... Yet, no where in scripture is Jesus ever referred to as *God Almighty (Hebrew ʼEl Shad·daiʹ)* as in Gen. 17:1) This title *ONLY* applies to the Father *(YHWH: Yahweh or Jehovah in English).*
Rev 1:8 clearly states that "I am the Alpha and Omega....the Almighty"...in v 11, "I am Alpha and Omega, the FIRST AND THE LAST"... in v 13 John sees the Son of man...which vision continues (uninterrupted) until v 17, when John falls at HIS FEET....and "He"...laid His hand upon me saying "Fear not I am the first and the last...I am He that liveth and was dead and am alive for evermore" ...so WHO is the first and the last ? YHWH or YESHUA ?
@@stevenbaldino887 Respectfully Steven, *[Alpha & Omega]* *[The Truth about Revelation 1:8]* When reading the Book of Revelation, one must understand when the *FATHER, Yahweh [Jehovah]* speaks vs when the *SON Yeshua [Jesus]* speaks... *The Divine Name King James Bible* tells us who is speaking in the Revelation *@ Rev. 1:8* ... *The Father, not the Son* (despite the misleading red ink in some Bibles): 🩸🖌 *[Rev. 1:8]* *[Divine Name King James Bible]* I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD *[God Jehovah]* which is, and which was, and which is to come, *the Almighty.* ~DNKJB *{Footnotes} see: Isaiah 44:6; Genesis 17:1)* *[Aramaic Bible In Plain English]* I am The Alap and The Tau, *[Alpha & Omega]* says *THE LORD JEHOVAH* God, he who is and has been and is coming, *The Almighty.* _________ *{Alpha and Omega not found in Ancient Manuscripts}* 📜 *[Note]* Facts about *Rev. 1:11* *244 Years Before KJV* *(The 1st English Bible)* *John Wycliffe New Testament* [Published: 1367] *(Omits Alpha & Omega)* *Rev. 1:11* - saying to me, Write thou in a book that thing that thou seest [saying, That thing that thou seest, write in a book], and send to the seven churches that be in Asia; to Ephesus, [and] to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea. *Alpha & Omega @ Rev. 1:11* is *Spurious [fake, falsified, forged, fabricated, fictitious]* added to the *Authorized King James Version* by Trinitarians [in 1611]
@@stevenbaldino887 *YESHUA (Jesus) CLEARLY WORSHIPS YAHWEH (Jehovah)* *How Can the SON Be CO-Equal w/ The FATHER If He Worships HIM?* 🤔 • Jesus says *"The Father is Greater than I?"* (John 14:28) *NO SUCH THING AS "Co-Equal Essence or Trinity Godhead" in Scripture!* • John 4:22 - Jesus says: You worship what you do not know; *WE WORSHIP* what we know! *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)* • John 17:3 - Jesus calls the Father *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* ?... "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, *"THE ONLY TRUE GOD,"* *[and]* the one whom you sent, *"Jesus Christ."* *(Clear Distinction Here)* • Jesus calls his Father *"My God and your God?"* in *[the flesh]* (John 20:17) & *[in spirit]* in heaven (Rev. 3:12): - John 20:17 - on earth - Matt. 27:46 - on earth - Mark 15:34 - on earth - Rev. 1:6 - in heaven - Rev. 3:2 - in heaven - Rev. 3:12 - in heaven *[My God 4 times]*
The Trinity is a mess and man made doctrine and appreciate you and the one only true God, dangerous to Even dry to go down the Trinity road and Sean fennigin did a wonderful job with the 20 something videos with the Trinity and many topics that should help trinitarians and yeah it's long but worth it and much appreciated One God the Father is it, Jesus has a God and Jesus is not God from eternal begotten don't work, love the Lord Jesus and his God
Yeah The metaphysical son: has manifested in prophecy as the birth of the physical person of Jesus. The metaphysical being of the son is in a pure innocent subordinate relationship to his father God. It is the pure relationship from in the beginning of creation before all other beings came to be: this metaphysical being in the light is in all beings. Hidden within the heart of the father; the son is then extended into all beings; and when the fall happens; the person of Jesus is prophetically planned to be manifested. As the essence of that metaphysical being is manifested into the person of Jesus; as it was in the beginning of creation; now Jesus is able to sustain the fallen creation as the essence was once in part of all of creation.
*The Son WORSHIPS The Father* 🚩 *[No Trinity]* 🚩 Respectfully, *John 4:22* - Why does Jesus say: You worship what you do not know; *WE WORSHIP* what we know? *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)* *How can he be Co-Equal w/ the Father?* 🤔 *Why are the following TITLES no where in scripture?...* *(No where in the Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek Manuscripts)* • *Trinity* • *God the Son* • *God the Spirit* • *Co-Equal Essence of the Godhead* *The above "TITLES" are all based on Trinitarian Ideology...not in the Bible* • Why does Jesus call his Father *My God and your God?* in *[the flesh]* (John 20:17) & *[in spirit]* in heaven (Rev. 3:12) - John 20:17 - on earth - Matt. 27:46 - on earth - Mark 15:34 - on earth - Rev. 1:6 - in heaven - Rev. 3:2 - in heaven - Rev. 3:12 - in heaven *[4 times]* *[Almighty God Has No God, Worships No One]* ______ • Why does Jesus say " *"The Father is Greater than I?"* (John 14:28) *[Is Jesus lesser than the so-called "Co=Equal Essence of himself]?"* _______ • *Matt. **26:46* - About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: *"Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?”* that is, *“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”* *(How can Jesus be Almighty & need help from his "God & Father?")*
Note the argument from Yandell and McCall referenced in the paper: The Son has the property of subordination to the Father in all possible worlds If the Son has this property in every possible world, then this is a necessary property If the Son has this property necessarily, then the Son has it essentially The Son has this property necessarily and essentially (from 1, 2, 3) The Father does not have this property in all possible worlds The Father does not have this property necessarily or essentially (from 5, 2, 3) If the Son has an essential property that the Father does not have, they cannot have the same essence The Son has this property essentially while the Father does not (from 4, 6) Therefore, the Father and the Son are not of the same essence (homoousios) (from 7, 8) Yandell and McCall drive home their point with the following conclusion: “Thus there is no way around the conclusion: NRS [Necessary Role Subordination] entails ontological subordinationism-if the Son has an A-quality nature, the Father has an A+-quality nature. But of course ontological subordinationism is not an account of the doctrine of the Trinity. It is nothing other than a rejection of that doctrine.” restitutio.org/2021/10/16/the-father-is-greater-than-i-exploring-biblical-subordination/
jesus is not god - on the contrary he said (my father is greater than i and my father is greater than all) .......... Jesus ate slept and drank and wept at times too during prayers sometimes so this means he is not god (God does not sleep or eat etc) thanks...............
Jesus said “I am” the messiah, if you read the full context of John 8. Not “I am” God. And if you read John 17:3, he specifically says only the Father is God.
You haven't proven a thing that you have said. You've just made assertions that have no substantiation from Scripture - 'ego eimi' = I am he (the Messiah).
I wish I had heard of Mr. Finnegan's work and the work of UCA before I wrote my book, *_Trinity Treason._* Now, I'm planning a 2nd edition. Thank you!
Amazing! If you reach out to media@unitarianchristianalliance.org I’d love to put you and Finnegan in contact.
14:49 As a Trinitarian, I'm very interested in what you have to say, but: I think the point is, Jesus, at his resurrection still has the scars. Jesus is still mediating for us. So the economic Trinity is still in place. It's really only, 1 Corinthians 15:28: “When God will be all in all”, that Jesus will hand over the Kingdom to God the Father, that he will resume his place.
My father is greater than all; I am in my father and my father is in me! That applies to all people we are all in the Father, we can all be one in the Father with Jesus; this has to do with childlike union in spirit and in truth; this is to walk in the light of love as 1 john is talking about. It had to do with total childlike submission to the Father. We are totally in union with our father like little children.
*THE GOD & FATHER OF JESUS*
(Almighty God Has No Father & Prays to No One)
• Romans 15:6 - *God & Father of our Lord Jesus Christ*
• Ephes. 1:3- *The God and Father of the Lord Jesus*
• Ephes. 1:17 - *the God of our Lord Jesus Christ*
• 1Corinths. 15:24 - Next, the end, when he [Jesus] hands over the Kingdom to his *God and Father*
• 2 Cor. 1:3 - Praise be *the God & Father of our Lord Jesus Christ*
• 2 Cor. 11:31 - *The God and Father of the Lord Jesus*
• 1 Peter 1:3 - *The God and Father of the Lord Jesus*
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*JESUS CLEARLY WORSHIPS HIS FATHER*
*How Can the SON Be CO-Equal To The FATHER If He Worships HIM?* 🤔
• Jesus says *"The Father is Greater than I?"* (John 14:28)
🔴 What part of *"Greater Than" don't Trinitarians Understand* ...
*Mathematicians* get it... *1+1+1=3* ... *Greater Than* denotes *one being superior to the other!*
*NO SUCH THING AS "Co-Equal Essence or Trinity Godhead" in Scripture!*
• John 4:22 - Jesus says: You worship what you do not know;
*WE WORSHIP* what we know! *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)*
• John 17:3 - Jesus calls the Father *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* ?...
"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, " *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* ," [ *and* ] the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ."
( *Clear Distinction Here* )
• Jesus calls his Father " *My God and your God* ?" in *[the flesh]* (John 20:17) & *[in spirit]* in heaven (Rev. 3:12):
- John 20:17 - on earth
- Matt. 27:46 - on earth
- Mark 15:34 - on earth
- Rev. 1:6 - in heaven
- Rev. 3:2 - in heaven
- Rev. 3:12 - in heaven *[My God 4 times]*
Beautiful passages. .
...have you ever heard a trinitarian say: '...the trinity is all throughout the Bible...'?
Someone should write a book called 'The Trinity Delusion'!
And look at that, not a single reference to obscure, unrelated, or OT texts to try and substantiate his claim - straight to the New Testament, interpreted in plain, straight-forward, and unambiguous language. And in abundance - not the exceptions to the rule.
I've often thought to myself how desperately and recklessly that I would have to exegete the Scriptures, if I were hypothetically obligated to justify the doctrine of the trinity.
And worse, how utterly inept and farcical that I would appear if I ever had to explain what I just concluded.
If the Son could do nothing but what He sees the Father do, does that mean that the Father was born of a virgin on a different world and died for the sins of humankind on that world?
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
I think it's a mistake to say "the Trinity" rather than "the so-called Trinity" as it to the ears of some grants it legitimacy. Also the phrase "Son of God" is a Hebraism for "The Messiah." I highly recommend the book _Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus_ written by David Bivin, a Trinitarian whom I have deep respect. He will teach you the importance of understanding that Hebrew is the most important language for not only understanding the OT but also the synoptic Gospels and part of Acts as well. If you want to further equip yourself to defend the unity of God as one person, God the Father, pick up this book! Oh, the things you will learn! It's a very brief but dense work.
What must I do to be saved and healed and delivered
Turn away from your sins and turn to God. Romans 10:9 says that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is lord(the boss) and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Then find a Christian (preferably a unitarian Christian) to baptize you.
I can’t really speak to your particular healing and deliverance since I don’t know you but surrendering in your heart to God through Jesus is the starting point.
@franciscafazzo3460
are you still there?
Are you still here ?
How would you respond to someone who says “the early church fathers (before Nicaea) didn’t believe that Jesus was ONTOLOGICALLY subordinate to the Father” ?
By referencing places where the early church fathers explicitly say the logos was created by the father (Justin Martyr, Origen, and others say this).
I’m not convinced of the logical conflict between ontological equality and permanent subordination. I’m not totally sold on that whole metaphysical approach to “natures” and “ontology” etc. But I’m not sure it really matters. It serves as a powerful “internal critique” of most Trinitarian models, which DO assume these metaphysical rules about ontology (as demonstrated by how vehemently most trinitarians oppose “eternal functional subordination”). And the observations still serve to demonstrate clear and obvious distinctions between the God of the Jews, who is supposed to not be subordinate to ANYONE, and the Man Jesus, who is explicitly subordinate to the God of the Jews - and I think biblical monotheism is more concerned with who has Sovereign power and authority than it is with “ontology.”
*Questions I Have That Have NOT Been Answered "SCRIPTURALLY" By Trinitarians:* 👋🏽
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1) Why does Jesus call his Father *My God and your God?* in *[the flesh]* (John 20:17) & *[in spirit]* in heaven (Rev. 3:12)
- John 20:17 - on earth
- Matt. 27:46 - on earth
- Mark 15:34 - on earth
- Rev. 1:6 - in heaven
- Rev. 3:2 - in heaven
- Rev. 3:12 - in heaven *[4 times]*
*[Almighty God Has No God, Worships No One]*
2) (a) Why does Jesus say " *The Father is Greater than I* ?" (John 14:28)
*[Is Jesus lesser than the so-called "Co=Equal Essence of himself]?"* 🤔
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(b) How is it that the Father has no beginning, yet Jesus is *the first of* *"all creatures" / "every creation"* & still Co-Equal w/ the Father?
*{Jesus Has A BEGINNING}*
*• Colossians 1:15:*
• Which is the image of invisible God, *the first begotten of each creature.* *~J. Wycliffe Bible (1384)*
*[NOTE] 1st English Bible; published 227 years before KJV*
*• Revelation 3:14*
These things saith Amen, the faithful witness and true one, which is *the beginning of God's creatures.*
~John Wycliffe Bible
🔺️ *[References]* 🔺️
*Strong's Greek Concordance:*
*ktiʹzo* {create}
*ktísis* - *{creation (creature)}*
*κτίσις, κτίσεως* act of founding, establishing, building, etc.
*founded from nothing; creation out of nothing (Latin: ex nihilo).*
creature; created; creation}
*ktizó: to build, create*
*Original Word: κτίζω*
*Transliteration: ktizó*
*Phonetic Spelling: (ktid'-zo)*
*Definition: to build, create*
*Usage: I create, form, shape, make, always of God.*
*ktízō -create, which applies "only to God" who alone can make what was "not there before" (Latin, ex nihilo, out of nothing, J.Thayer);*
🟥 *These terms are used exclusively with reference to *Divine [Godly] creation*
*(Almighty God giving someone a beginning).*
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3) *John 4:22* - Why does Jesus say: You worship what you do not know;
*WE WORSHIP* what we know? *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)*
4) *John 17:3* - Why does Jesus call the Father *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* ?... "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, *"THE ONLY TRUE GOD,"* [and] the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ."
(Clear Distinction Here)
5) *1 Tim. 2:5* - Why does Paul say: "There is *ONE GOD* and *ONE MEDIATOR* btwn God & men, a man Jesus Christ.
6) Why did Jesus say, *"The Son can't do anything on his own, only what he sees the Father doing."* (John 5:19)
7) *John 17:21* - Why did Jesus say: so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, *that they also may be in us* *{see vs. 22-23 also}*
*1 John 5:20* - we are *in Him [God]*
*Are his Disciples Part of the Trinity?*
8) *Luke 18:19* - Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? *Nobody is good except one, God.* (Luke 18:19)
9) What is the "official" name of the
holy spirit (If the Father is Jehovah & the Son is Jesus... ("Helper" / "Comforter" /"Avocate" are "Titles")? (Matt. 28:19)
10) If Jesus sits at the right-hand of God In heaven, where is the Holy Spirit's Heavenly Throne? (Psalm 110:1 & Hebrews 10:12)
11) Since God is a person (Heb. 1:3) & Jesus is the image of *"HIS PERSON,"* why is the Holy Spirit called *"IT"* in *Authorized KJV (1611)*
(a) *John 1:32* - John bore witness that [it] (the Spirit) abode on him [Jesus]
(b) Romans 8:16 - Spirit [itself]
(c) Romans 8:26 - Spirit [itself]
(d) 1 Peter 1:11 - [it] testified
*[Why was this later changed to "He" by Trinitarians in New KJV?... Ancient Manuscripts still say "IT"]*
12) *John 1:18* - If "Jesus" & the "Holy Spirit" are of the same Godhead with God Almighty, why do Scriptures say no man has seen God *AT ANY TIME?* Yet, John the Baptizer "beheld" the Holy Spirit descending upon Jesus? (John 1:29 & 32) *[2 members of the So-called Trinity]*
13) *Matt. **12:32* - If Jesus & the Holy Spirit are of the same GodHead, how can U sin against *Jesus [Son of Man]* and be forgiven, yet sin against the *Holy Spirit* and NOT be forgiven? 🤔
14) (a) *John 10:33* - After the Jewish Leaders attempted to stone Jesus, accusing him of *making himself "God"* (KJV) ... Why did Jesus correct them by saying, *"I said I am God's Son?"* (verse 36)
(b) *Luke 1:32 & 35* - Why does the Angel Gabriel call Jesus *Son of the Most High?*
15) (a) *John 20:28* - After *Thomas* said, *"My God & My Lord,"* ...
Why does *"vs 31"* say "But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, *THE SON OF GOD?*
(b) *Matt. **16:15**,16* - When Jesus asked, *"Who do U say I am,* ... Why did Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, *THE SON OF THE LIVING God?”* *(Not God the Son)*
16) *Hebrews 5:7* - If Jesus is Almighty God, why does he *pray to & fear* the One who saved him from death???
17) (a) If Jesus "is" Co-Equel w/ the Father, does he have to be *"given authority"* by *The Ancient of Days?* (Daniel 7:13-14) (See also: Matt. 18:18)
(b) After ruling for 1,000 years (Rev. 20:4-6), why must Jesus return the Kingdom to *his God & Father* ?
(See: 1 Corinths. 15:24)
18) *Mark 13:32* - If Jesus is All-Knowing [om·nis·cient]: Why did he 'not' know the day nor the hour?
19) *John 8:40* - Why does Jesus say: "But now you are seeking to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard *from God* if he is Co-Equal w/ Almighty God?"
20) *Matt. **20:23* - Why does Jesus say that he does 'not' have the right to authorize kingdom privileges in heaven, only the Father does?
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*Please show me these phrases in Scripture:*
• *God The Son*
• *God The Spirit*
• *"Co-Equel Essence of God"*
• *"Trinity"*
*[Hebrews 1:6]*
*Greek Word Proskyneo Mistranslated as "WORSHIP" by Trinitarians*
The Greek word ( *προσκυνέω* )
*proskyneo* (used about 60 times in the New Testament) equates to *prostrating oneself"* ...That was translated into Latin as *"adoro* [English: adore],'' which in the *King James Bible* became *"worship"* in reference to Jesus Christ.
But the two words *adore & worship* don't mean precisely the same thing. A sly adjustment to *"worship"* at Hebrews 1:6 to insinuate that Jesus should be worshiped like the Father.
• *Hebrews 1:6* - and when he shall again bring in the firstborn into the world of men he says *“and let all God’s angels do him reverence.”*
~ Byington Translation
*3 Outstanding Examples of Mistranslation of pro·sky·neʹo as "WORSHIP" in Authorized KJV of 1611 (and other modern Bible Versions):*
1) *Matthew 14:33* - Jesus’ disciples acknowledged him as *GOD’s SON,* ... *not GOD Himself* after he walked on water. Jesus always taught them to *worship his Father as he himself does* (John 4:22 & 20:17).
*[Incorrect rendering]*
2) *Mark 15:19* - The soldiers hit Jesus in the head with a reed, spit on him then *worshipped* [Greek: proskeneo] him. *(really ???)* 🤔
*[Correct rendering]*
*[New Living Translation]*
And they struck him on the head with a reed stick, spit on him, and *dropped to their knees in mock worship.*
3) *Rev. 3:9* - Jesus says he will make his enemies who are a synagogue of Satan *worship* [Greek: proskeneo] the members of the Philadelphian Christian Congregation. *[seriously???]* 🤔
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*[Matt. **14:33** Correctly Translated]*
*New World Translation:*
Then those in the boat *did obeisance to him*, saying: *“You really are God’s Son.”*
*[See Footnote: *bowed down]*
*The Bible In Living English:*
And those who were in the boat did him reverence, saying *“You certainly are the Son of God.”*
*Young's Literal Translation:*
and those in the boat having come, did bow to him, saying, *'Truly -- God's Son art thou.'*
*Weymouth New Testament:*
and the men on board *fell down before him* and said, *"You are indeed God's Son."*
*New American Bible:*
Those who were in the boat *did him homage,* saying, *“Truly, you are the Son of God.”*
*Complete Jewish Bible:*
The men in the boat *fell down before him* and exclaimed, *“You really are God’s son!”*
*Darby Translation:*
But those in the ship came and *did homage to him,* saying, *Truly thou art God's Son.*
*J.B. Phillips New Testament:*
The whole crew came and *knelt down before Jesus*, crying, *“You are indeed the Son of God!”*
*God’s Word Translation:*
The men in the boat *bowed down in front of Jesus* and said, “You are truly *the Son of God*.” *Genesis 33:3* -
*Jacob bows before Esau 7 times [to show respect, make peace, not worship]*
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*Proskeneo Properly Defined*
*Unger’s Bible Dictionary*
This word literally means *to ‘kiss the hand of a superior as a token of reverence or to do homage.’*
*An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words,* by W. E. Vine, This word *“denotes an act of reverence."*
*Hebrews 1:6* [pro·sky·neʹo]
• *“pay him homage”*
*(New Jerusalem Bible)*
• *"do obeisance to him"* [or Footnote] *"bow down to him"* *(New World Translation)*
• *“honour him”* *(The Complete Bible in Modern English)*
• *“bow down before him”* *(Twentieth Century New Testament)*
Phil 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
KJV
🚩 *Dilemma: 2 Helpers* 🚩
*(2 Pa·raʹkle·tons)*
At *John 14:6* - Jesus calls the Holy Spirit *"another helper {comforter or advocate depending on Translation or Version}”*
*another paraclete*
*{Greek: alʹlon pa·raʹkle·ton}*
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At *1st John 2:1* - Jesus Christ is also called a *helper {comforter or advocate... depending on Translation or Version}* *Greek: pa·raʹkle·ton*
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*Even the Trinity Disclaimer admits that:*
• *The Father isn't the Son or Spirit*
• *The Son isn't the Father or Spirit*
• *The Spirit isn't the Father or Son*
*Yet, All 3 are part of the same So-Called Co-Equal Essence of One Godhead!* (terms not in Bible)
So, @ *Matt. **12:32* - If Jesus & the Holy Spirit are of the same GodHead, how can U sin against *Jesus [Son of Man]* and be forgiven, yet sin against the *Holy Spirit* and *NOT* be forgiven? 🤔
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*Holy Spirit Called "IT"*
*(Not a Person)*
Since God is *A PERSON* (Heb. 1:3) & Jesus is the image of *"HIS PERSON,"* why is the Holy Spirit called *"IT"* in *Authorized KJV (1611)*
(a) *John 1:32* - John bore witness that *[it]* (the Spirit) abode on him [Jesus]
(b) Romans 8:16 - Spirit *[itself]*
(c) Romans 8:26 - Spirit *[itself]*
(d) 1 Peter 1:11 - *[it]* testified
*[Why was this later changed to "He" by Trinitarians in New KJV?... Ancient Manuscripts still say "IT"]*
[NOTE] Trinitarian Terms Not Found In Scripture:
• Co-Equal Essence of the Godhead
• God The Son
• God The Spirit
• Trinity
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*GOOD QUESTION:*
*Why is the Helper [Comforter / Holy Spirit] called "HE" @ John 14:26?* 🤔
*ANSWER:*
The Greek demonstrative pronoun *e·keiʹnos* is in the masculine gender and refers to the helper, *which is also in the masculine gender in Greek.*
Trinitarians usually go to John 1:1 to prove their point. “In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. The same (this or it, houtos) was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made.” John 1:1-3 King James
They do not realize that the “word” (logos) is impersonal. “This (houtos) was in the beginning with God. Through it (autou) everything was done; and without it (autou) not even one thing was done, which has been done.” John 1:3 Diaglott
William Tyndale spent most of his life translating the Bible. He translated “This” (houtos) as “it.” The Geneva Bible of 1560 and the Bishops’ Bible of 1568 also translated “this” (houstos) as “it.”8
Great effort another compelling explanation is this ;-) The Word was with God, in the Greek has the definite article " before God "" which denotes .
The Word was God is an incorrect translation and here is why. God in this section of the verse does not have the definite article "ho" or "the" in the original Greek. In Koine Greek grammar when the definite article is missing the word next is to be understood as a . So the verse should read "and the word was ". Or as some translations render it ".
Of course this makes perfect sense, Jesus was and is a god and divine in nature, but he is separate, created, distinct and subordinate, to his Father, God Almighty. The definite article is only ever used in respect of God in the Greek texts, never in respect of Jesus.
It's that simple, this is another scripture rendered inaccurately to support the false trinitarian teaching. This is simple Koine Greek grammar.
@@Cafez27 ok no offense but this statement is totally wrong. Many times in the Greek New Testament an article is lacking and it doesn’t make it indefinite “a” including of God the father, see Philippians 2:13.
@@jordandthornburg what a polite response thank you. My I he equally polite in saying it’s absolutely correct, if you look at the Koine Greek at Philippians 2:13 has the definite article ‘ho’. The definite article is only ever used in relation to God Almighty never for Jesus.
@@Cafez27 no it doesn’t. Here is the text Philippians 2:13 (SBLGNT): θεὸς γάρ ἐστιν ὁ ἐνεργῶν ἐν ὑμῖν καὶ τὸ θέλειν καὶ τὸ ἐνεργεῖν ὑπὲρ τῆς εὐδοκίας. This is not “a god” here is it?
Also the article is used for Jesus all the time, ο Ιησούς, ο Χριστός, etc.
@@jordandthornburg the definite article is used there, and Ho Theo’s is NEVER used in respect of Jesus.
Is my fast time to listen but let me ask how do you relate Christian life with Jesus christ now??
Do you mean, what is the importance of Jesus to unitarian Christians? He’s the Messiah, God’s anointed king, the one to whom we all kneel, the head of the church, and founder and finisher of our faith.
*The Real Truth About "Mighty God"*
*[Isaiah 9:6]*
It is true that at Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is prophetically referred to as *"Mighty God" (Hebrew, ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ).* So is the Father in some texts....
Yet, no where in scripture is Jesus ever referred to as *God Almighty (Hebrew ʼEl Shad·daiʹ)* as in Gen. 17:1) This title *ONLY* applies to the Father *(YHWH: Yahweh or Jehovah in English).*
Rev 1:8 clearly states that "I am the Alpha and Omega....the Almighty"...in v 11, "I am Alpha and Omega, the FIRST AND THE LAST"... in v 13 John sees the Son of man...which vision continues (uninterrupted) until v 17, when John falls at HIS FEET....and "He"...laid His hand upon me saying "Fear not I am the first and the last...I am He that liveth and was dead and am alive for evermore" ...so WHO is the first and the last ? YHWH or YESHUA ?
@@stevenbaldino887
Respectfully Steven,
*[Alpha & Omega]*
*[The Truth about Revelation 1:8]*
When reading the Book of Revelation, one must understand when the *FATHER, Yahweh [Jehovah]* speaks vs when the *SON Yeshua [Jesus]* speaks...
*The Divine Name King James Bible* tells us who is speaking in the Revelation *@ Rev. 1:8*
... *The Father, not the Son* (despite the misleading red ink in some Bibles): 🩸🖌
*[Rev. 1:8]*
*[Divine Name King James Bible]*
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD *[God Jehovah]* which is, and which was, and which is to come, *the Almighty.* ~DNKJB
*{Footnotes} see: Isaiah 44:6; Genesis 17:1)*
*[Aramaic Bible In Plain English]*
I am The Alap and The Tau, *[Alpha & Omega]* says *THE LORD JEHOVAH* God, he who is and has been and is coming, *The Almighty.*
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*{Alpha and Omega not found in Ancient Manuscripts}* 📜
*[Note]*
Facts about *Rev. 1:11*
*244 Years Before KJV*
*(The 1st English Bible)*
*John Wycliffe New Testament* [Published: 1367]
*(Omits Alpha & Omega)*
*Rev. 1:11* - saying to me, Write thou in a book that thing that thou seest [saying, That thing that thou seest, write in a book], and send to the seven churches that be in Asia; to Ephesus, [and] to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.
*Alpha & Omega @ Rev. 1:11* is *Spurious [fake, falsified, forged, fabricated, fictitious]* added to the *Authorized King James Version* by Trinitarians [in 1611]
@@stevenbaldino887
*YESHUA (Jesus) CLEARLY WORSHIPS YAHWEH (Jehovah)*
*How Can the SON Be CO-Equal w/ The FATHER If He Worships HIM?* 🤔
• Jesus says *"The Father is Greater than I?"* (John 14:28)
*NO SUCH THING AS "Co-Equal Essence or Trinity Godhead" in Scripture!*
• John 4:22 - Jesus says: You worship what you do not know;
*WE WORSHIP* what we know! *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)*
• John 17:3 - Jesus calls the Father *THE ONLY TRUE GOD* ?...
"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, *"THE ONLY TRUE GOD,"* *[and]* the one whom you sent, *"Jesus Christ."*
*(Clear Distinction Here)*
• Jesus calls his Father *"My God and your God?"* in *[the flesh]* (John 20:17) & *[in spirit]* in heaven (Rev. 3:12):
- John 20:17 - on earth
- Matt. 27:46 - on earth
- Mark 15:34 - on earth
- Rev. 1:6 - in heaven
- Rev. 3:2 - in heaven
- Rev. 3:12 - in heaven *[My God 4 times]*
The Trinity is a mess and man made doctrine and appreciate you and the one only true God, dangerous to Even dry to go down the Trinity road and Sean fennigin did a wonderful job with the 20 something videos with the Trinity and many topics that should help trinitarians and yeah it's long but worth it and much appreciated One God the Father is it, Jesus has a God and Jesus is not God from eternal begotten don't work, love the Lord Jesus and his God
Yeah The metaphysical son: has manifested in prophecy as the birth of the physical person of Jesus. The metaphysical being of the son is in a pure innocent subordinate relationship to his father God. It is the pure relationship from in the beginning of creation before all other beings came to be: this metaphysical being in the light is in all beings. Hidden within the heart of the father; the son is then extended into all beings; and when the fall happens; the person of Jesus is prophetically planned to be manifested. As the essence of that metaphysical being is manifested into the person of Jesus; as it was in the beginning of creation; now Jesus is able to sustain the fallen creation as the essence was once in part of all of creation.
*The Son WORSHIPS The Father*
🚩 *[No Trinity]* 🚩
Respectfully,
*John 4:22* - Why does Jesus say: You worship what you do not know;
*WE WORSHIP* what we know? *(Here, Jesus clearly worships someone higher than himself)*
*How can he be Co-Equal w/ the Father?* 🤔
*Why are the following TITLES no where in scripture?...*
*(No where in the Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek Manuscripts)*
• *Trinity*
• *God the Son*
• *God the Spirit*
• *Co-Equal Essence of the Godhead*
*The above "TITLES" are all based on Trinitarian Ideology...not in the Bible*
• Why does Jesus call his Father *My God and your God?* in *[the flesh]* (John 20:17) & *[in spirit]* in heaven (Rev. 3:12)
- John 20:17 - on earth
- Matt. 27:46 - on earth
- Mark 15:34 - on earth
- Rev. 1:6 - in heaven
- Rev. 3:2 - in heaven
- Rev. 3:12 - in heaven *[4 times]*
*[Almighty God Has No God, Worships No One]*
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• Why does Jesus say " *"The Father is Greater than I?"* (John 14:28)
*[Is Jesus lesser than the so-called "Co=Equal Essence of himself]?"*
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• *Matt. **26:46* - About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: *"Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?”* that is, *“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”*
*(How can Jesus be Almighty & need help from his "God & Father?")*
Functinal subjection does not necessitate ontological inferiority (Luke 2:51; Ephesians 5:24).
Note the argument from Yandell and McCall referenced in the paper:
The Son has the property of subordination to the Father in all possible worlds
If the Son has this property in every possible world, then this is a necessary property
If the Son has this property necessarily, then the Son has it essentially
The Son has this property necessarily and essentially (from 1, 2, 3)
The Father does not have this property in all possible worlds
The Father does not have this property necessarily or essentially (from 5, 2, 3)
If the Son has an essential property that the Father does not have, they cannot have the same essence
The Son has this property essentially while the Father does not (from 4, 6)
Therefore, the Father and the Son are not of the same essence (homoousios) (from 7, 8)
Yandell and McCall drive home their point with the following conclusion:
“Thus there is no way around the conclusion: NRS [Necessary Role Subordination] entails ontological subordinationism-if the Son has an A-quality nature, the Father has an A+-quality nature. But of course ontological subordinationism is not an account of the doctrine of the Trinity. It is nothing other than a rejection of that doctrine.”
restitutio.org/2021/10/16/the-father-is-greater-than-i-exploring-biblical-subordination/
jesus is not god - on the contrary he said (my father is greater than i and my father is greater than all) .......... Jesus ate slept and drank and wept at times too during prayers sometimes so this means he is not god (God does not sleep or eat etc) thanks...............
Jesus is "I am"
Jesus is God
Jesus said “I am” the messiah, if you read the full context of John 8. Not “I am” God.
And if you read John 17:3, he specifically says only the Father is God.
Spirit of God is God, Holy Spirit.
John 8 Jesus Christ is the Messias He is God.
John 17. I AM, Jesus is I AM.
He is Glory He is Glorified to Him is Glory forever.
You haven't proven a thing that you have said. You've just made assertions that have no substantiation from Scripture - 'ego eimi' = I am he (the Messiah).