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The person of Jesus in his human flesh is the mediator between us and the divine essence he shares with the Father and Spirit. Why can’t Unitarians understand the difference between a person and a divine being or essence? For all you Unitarians, what did the council of Nicea that you believe “invented” the trinity stand to gain by doing so? They didn’t invent it. They formalized the teachings of the church into creedal doctrine since in 325 they could finally gather together without fear of being murdered by the state after 3 centuries of persecution.

White owes Tuggy an apology!

Excellent assessment of the debate.

What do you make of Hebrews 1?

If you read this in the Tanach you’ll understand, but you have to read Isaiah from Chapter 1 to know what’s going on. Then pay particular attention starting with Chapter 7… in the days of Ahaz… the child is a sign to Ahaz and Israel, and it’s a child born to Ahaz who ruled and SAVED Jerusalem and Judah… Hezekiah was a type of Savior in the short run. It’s not about Yeshua in the immediate sense but Hezekiah (like David) was a foreshadowing of the ETERNAL savior and KING who will sit on the throne over ISRAEL (Jerusalem and Judah), which is what the previous chapters are all about!

Christianity didn't go wrong. Christen-dumb did. They loved Greek philosophy more than scripture.

Glorify me with the glory I had with you… in light of Philippians 2:6-8 Jn 17:3 is a beautiful passage revealing the humility of Christ-God the Son.

Wait until bro finds out that his argument is virtually invalidated if a philosophical perspective is used to analyze the Biblical narrative.

The German guy, I think, didn’t understand the meaning of the English word “agent”. Perhaps he needed it described to him more specifically.

Thanks to God who has not left us at the mercy of an unfounded mystery dogma.

If your only using sola scriptora you can definitely get a anti trinitian view along with a plethora of different interpretations of the Bible that Protestants will keep disagreeing on each claiming there own authority to interpret the correct doctrine. Martin Luther ruined so much…

Dr. White makes a fool of himself by scolding Dale about not responding to his opening statement.

This was a clear and sensible presentation that really outshone the men at the conference from what I've seen thus far. Come on, gentlemen, raise the bar!

Oh ok, heretic anything else you wanna share with the class, buddy? even if some of the early church or even a lot wasn’t a trinitarian like Athanasius and others perpetuated and articulated they definitely were not Universalist Unitarians Many of the most influential church fathers essentially articulated some Trinitarian model of the Godhead and affirmed the divinity of Christ like the anti Nicaean fathers even though individuals that would take their model as doctrinal truth would be labeled heretical today by mini mainline trinitarian for not uploading that God was always a Trinity rather than bringing for the sun and a eternal birth of splitting his essence and becoming one and the people in the early church that were Universalist, many of whom would not go as far as people do today which they would believe it’s a possibility not a guarantee of the whole world and mankind being saved like mini Scholastic sources today of that theological persuasion they were either origin or they leaned closer to the influence of the gnostics not saying that everything that a gnostic believed or believes is radical because that would be logically fallacious, and absurd but the Doctrine of Universalism is very fundamentally gnostic as it fundamentally makes the punitive and judicial hand of God, demented and evil just like they did with him in the Old Testament and I’m speaking about especially the most extreme version of universalism, which says everyone, including the fallen angels, and Satan will be saved, which especially is not very thoroughly fought out how Satan can be redeemed when he’s not a human he had full and perfect knowledge of God and of evil and chose evil and became the personification of it when at least for 99% of humanity there is an ignorance on both parties so even when a human goes into the depths of darkness, there are still is that split that divine light of the essence of God, which distinguishes themselves from a demon where evil doesn’t of the whole consumes them where they are still made in the image of God and forgivable. I know this is extended philosophy on top of scripture, but there are still fundamental philosophical explanations that are pretty mandatory from the other side that is also not explicitly answered by scripture because of certain doctrines since the Dawn of the church, we either have to stay silent when the Bible is or we have to use principles and indications to make extended theology and philosophy to answer or to try to answer when the Bible doesn’t clearly Answer.

Revelation 1:8 New International Version 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Jesus said Iam the alpha and the Omega who was and who is going to come the almighty one...... Jesus is the almighty one he is Yahweh.

Mostly Unitarians in this comment section I take it.

Because the first followers of Christ knew who he was, God in human flesh. Answer me this. If Jesus is just the human son of God, the messiah, and/or a lesser divine being, as Tuggy has said. Then why are God and Jesus so terrible at transmitting that idea to the masses? Surely God would have known that the ambiguous words of Jesus and his followers would cause confusion for the MAJORITY of all people after the first century and that most people would come to believe he is God based on the confusing words he and his followers spoke/wrote? Why is God such a terrible communicator? The answer is that he isn’t. Jesus made claims about his own divinity and God has appeared in plurality through the OT and NT the whole time and Unitarians need to jump through hoops to explain away the claims made by Jesus. The original followers didn’t need to debate whether God was 1 or 3. They knew he was 1 God in 3 distinct persons even if they couldn’t conceptualize it.

Rohan no way dude! So cool brother!

Hi Sean, I am Monique. I came across your videos on RUclips. I left the Trinity few months ago and am trying to make sense of Unitarian beliefs. I have a question to ask you about Romans 8:26. If the Holy Spirit is the power or presence of God, to who God makes intercession to? This verse in the past brought me back to the Trinity. I could see the third being of the Trinity making intercession to the Father. Can you explain to me how is it possible that God makes intercession to Himself? Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. 🙏

Wonderful....nothing like knowing the accuracy of God's Word.

Who came with the two angels to Abraham when he fed them milk and meat and curds? He bowed his face to the ground and the Angel in the middle didn't rebuke him for worshipping Him. That is a theophany, if not a Christophany. We can see the Trinity doctrine in the Exodus from Egypt when God was in the pillar of smoke, and He was in the Tabernacle and He was in the effulgence emanating from the Mercy Seat up to heaven. God's triune nature is revealed in the first chapter of Genesis. Psalm 110:1 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at My right hand, until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool. Psalm 2:3-12 Let us break Their bands asunder, and cast away Their cords from us. He that sits in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure. Yet have I set My King upon My holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of Me, and I shall give you the heathen for Your inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve Yahweh with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and ye perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him.

This Man is taking him out of his context

These people are in denial. That Jesus is God is so clear from scripture that any argument to the opposition of that is laughable and pitiful. Not only do the scriptures make it clear but Jesus himself did. The very passage they bring up in this text and tells us on equivocally in Jesus was acknowledging his divinity. It would be one thing to say I don't believe that Jesus is God those scripture says he is and he acknowledged that he was, but it's utterly unintellectual denialism to say the scripture does not explain that Jesus is God incarnate. In fact if Jesus is not God incarnate the god of the Old testament cannot be true! God cannot punish one of his creatures for the son of another as he has stated more than once in the Old testament, and no rest times in the New testament in a different sort of way. Therefore if Jesus was not God then God has punished one of his creatures for the sin of other creatures and that cannot be true. So neither the Old testament God or Jesus Christ could be true if Jesus is not god. This is why God took on human fish to suffer the penalty we deserved for our sins because he cannot punish one of his creatures for the sin of another. The only solution to the problem of sin therefore is that he takes on flesh and takes the punishment himself. This by itself separates Christianity from all religions of the world improves the church that authored this video is in astonishing denial of what scripture says about god. They need to read Zechariah chapter 10 verse 12 for example. Then go weep at their denialism and ask God to forget themselves.

That last part 👏👏👏

Brilliant and down-to-earth presentation - no esoteric knowledge required, no mysteries, no appeal to human fallibility, etc... God is one in all aspects of His ontology, being, and essence - even when He's anthropomorphized in the Bible.

How do you know when everything a person says is a lie. You fact check them. IP excels at this. Lying that is.

Great presentation Susanne! Really enjoyed this presentation. Very creative argument for Unitarianism.

many great points made here, thanks for posting this.

Hi Susanne, my name is Monique. I am an elderly French Christian lady from Australia. I went out from JWs in 1993. I lost my son and his family in it. I went in Christian churches since then and struggled with the Trinity for all theses years. Since June this year I left the Christian church I was going to and the Trinity, looking to find the truth about God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. I am watching a lot of videos on RUclips with 21st Century Reformation, Biblical Unitarian, and Unitarian Christian Alliance. I am convinced that I have finally found the truth about God and His Son. I came across your video this morning and I thank you so much for your teaching. I am so grateful. Continue your excellent teaching and may Yahweh bless you and your ministry. 🙏

Excellent presentation!

Tuggy hits a homerun here for the Truth team!

Unitarian Christian Alliance, Is there anyway you guys can set up a debate with Greg Stafford @cwjahtube about the pre-existence of Jesus Christ. I would love to see someone like Dustin or Bill Schlegel debate Stafford and see which side has the strongest arguments either the literal or notional pre-existence of Jesus. Arian vs Socinian. Bring it on baby.

Thank you for your interesting video. GOD IS ONE SPIRIT. MARK 12:29-32 JESUS ANSWERED, “THE MOST IMPORTANT IS, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL: THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE. ROMANS 8:1 THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS. 0000077 <>THE ONENESS OF GOD YES! GOD! - IS ONE SPIRIT. GOD IS OMNIPOTENT <> HE IS <> THE FATHER <> HE IS THE SON <> THE SON IS THE HIGH PRIEST AND THE SON IS <> THE SACRIFICE. Y <> YESHUA / JESUS MEANS SAVIOUR <> YES! GOD IS OUR SAVIOUR, MEANING THAT YESHUA/JESUS IS THE “I AM” <> FOR THE I AM SAID” I WILL PROVIDE THE SACRIFICE. <> YES, JESUS WAS THE SACRIFICE. “YES” GOD IS ALL PERVADING, ALL CONSUMING, INVIOLABLE AND ALL ABSORBING. YES! <> GOD IS DEVINE _ HE IS THE BEGINNING AND THE END. ZECHARIAH 14:9 AND THE LORD WILL BE KING OVER ALL THE EARTH. ON THAT DAY THE LORD WILL BE ONE AND HIS NAME ONE. <> {NO! NOT A TRINITY. THERE IS BUT - ONE GOD - ONE LORD - 0NE KING - ONE ROCK - ONE SAVIOUR - ONE CROSS - ONE BAPTISM - ONE FAITH. JESUS IS THE - “ONE DOOR” ONE GATE - ONE WAY - ONE SPIRIT - THROUGH ALL AND IN ALL. JOHN 14 9 JESUS SAID TO HIM, “HAVE I BEEN WITH YOU SO LONG, AND YOU STILL DO NOT KNOW ME, PHILIP? WHOEVER HAS SEEN ME HAS SEEN THE FATHER. HOW CAN YOU SAY, ‘SHOW US THE FATHER’? JOHN 14:7 IF YOU HAD KNOWN ME, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO. FROM NOW ON YOU DO KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM.” JOHN 10:30 I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.” JOHN 1 1 IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. EXODUS 3 14 GOD SAID TO MOSES, “I AM WHO I AM.” AND HE SAID, “SAY THIS TO THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, ‘I AM HAS SENT ME TO YOU.’” ISAIAH 9 6 FOR UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN, UNTO US A SON IS GIVEN: AND THE GOVERNMENT SHALL BE UPON HIS SHOULDER: AND HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED WONDERFUL, COUNSELLOR, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, AND THE PRINCE OF PEACE. JOHN 10:30 <> I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.” JOHN 14 10 DON’T YOU BELIEVE THAT I AM IN THE FATHER, AND THAT THE FATHER IS IN ME? THE WORDS I SAY TO YOU I DO NOT SPEAK ON MY OWN AUTHORITY. RATHER, IT IS THE FATHER, LIVING IN ME, WHO IS DOING HIS WORK. JOHN 14 20 IN THAT DAY YOU WILL KNOW THAT I AM IN MY FATHER, AND YOU IN ME, AND I IN YOU. JOHN 5 26 FOR AS THE FATHER HAS LIFE IN HIMSELF, SO HE HAS GRANTED THE SON ALSO TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF. JOHN 8 58 JESUS SAID TO THEM, “TRULY, TRULY, I SAY TO YOU, BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM.” JOHN 17 5 AND NOW, FATHER, GLORIFY ME IN YOUR OWN PRESENCE WITH THE GLORY THAT I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED. JOHN 14 5 T’OMA SAID TO HIM, “LORD, WE DON’T KNOW WHERE YOU’RE GOING; SO HOW CAN WE KNOW THE WAY?” 6 YESHUA SAID, “I AM THE WAY - AND THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE; NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME. 7 BECAUSE YOU HAVE KNOWN ME, YOU WILL ALSO KNOW MY FATHER; FROM NOW ON, YOU DO KNOW HIM IN FACT, YOU HAVE SEEN HIM.” JOHN 20 28 THOMAS SAID TO HIM, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!” 29 THEN JESUS TOLD HIM, “BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEEN ME, YOU HAVE BELIEVED. BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN ME BUT STILL HAVE BELIEVED.” 1 JOHN 1 1 THAT WHICH WAS FROM THE BEGINNING, WHICH WE HAVE HEARD, WHICH WE HAVE SEEN WITH OUR EYES, WHICH WE LOOKED UPON AND HAVE TOUCHED WITH OUR HANDS, CONCERNING THE WORD OF LIFE- REVELATION 19 13 HE IS CLOTHED IN A ROBE DIPPED IN BLOOD, AND THE NAME BY WHICH HE IS CALLED IS THE WORD OF GOD. REVELATION 22 13 I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END, THE FIRST AND THE LAST. 16 “I, JESUS, HAVE SENT MY ANGEL TO TESTIFY TO YOU THESE THINGS IN THE CHURCHES. I AM THE ROOT AND THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID, THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR.” 20 HE WHO TESTIFIES TO THESE THINGS SAYS, “SURELY I AM COMING QUICKLY.” AMEN. EVEN SO, COME, LORD JESUS! 21 THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST BE WITH YOU ALL. AMEN. [PLEASE NOTE THERE IS NO TRINITY MANTRA OR INVOCATION IN THE LAST AND FINAL VERSE OF REVELATION.] [YES! GOD IS ONE <> ONE SPIRIT <> HALLELUIAH <> AMEN!] JOHN 4 24 GOD IS SPIRIT, AND THOSE WHO WORSHIP HIM MUST WORSHIP IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH.” MATTHEW 11 25 AT THAT TIME JESUS SAID, “I PRAISE YOU, FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE HIDDEN THESE THINGS FROM THE WISE AND LEARNED, AND REVEALED THEM TO LITTLE CHILDREN. ACTS 4 13 NOW WHEN THEY SAW THE BOLDNESS OF PETER AND JOHN, AND PERCEIVED THAT THEY WERE UNEDUCATED, COMMON MEN, THEY WERE ASTONISHED. AND THEY RECOGNIZED THAT THEY HAD BEEN WITH JESUS. 14 BUT SEEING THE MAN WHO WAS HEALED STANDING BESIDE THEM, THEY HAD NOTHING TO SAY IN OPPOSITION. GOD BLESS YOU AND PEACE OF YESHUA THE PRINCE OF PEACE BE WITH YOU ALWAYS <> AMEN.

Wow… Dr Tuggys questions were kind of weak

1:18:18 yes… the verse literally separates the 2… White wants to point to the “through all him” part and act like that’s a lynchpin to say he’s God, but that’s an agency claim, there is a very clear distinction between by someone and through someone… simple as that… so no… not even saying he’s God, if anything it’s clearly saying there is a God and Jesus, even if it says they both had a hand in creating the world, so why use the reason of man and just presume it should man Jesus is God

1:01:18 well I hope he’s subscribed to this channel they did an hour long breakdown of Philippians 2, John 12 mean nothing… already commented on it And 1 Peter 3:25 says Jesus is holy… already said many things are called holy… that word doesn’t automatically mean God… so ridiculous

Melito of Sardis is not scripture

53:44 so it didn’t say Jesus was God… not even close

Excellent presentation!

Who cares… God and Jesus can both be holy… Leviticus 12 says things can be holy… Ok In no way does that mean Jesus=God… this is embarrassing

“Kyrios is hiding the divine name” 😂😂😂😂 stop, this is too much

The problem with Phil 2:6 is the many interpretations… you can like that one, I like the one that says thought it not a prize to be considered equal with God… That’s right… that word for robbery can also be used as prize…

😂😂😂 stop dude did just not bring up John 1:1 and the I AM statements😂😂😂 I’m literally having trouble typing this I’m laughing so hard

John 12:16 is not fashioned like he says… it’s eluding to the fact that his glorification made them finally believe… it in no way had anything to do with the glorification in Isiah… do I really need to reference all the glorification verses in the NT about regular people and start applying them to some sort of divinity? Come on… plain as day right😂 now

Isiah 52 and 53 are about the Messiah… prophecy about a messiah… and John says Jesus is the Messiah… that doesn’t mean God…

You gotta believe in the trinity… it’s literally based on 5 upon 5 or so upon 5 or so ambiguous verses…

You just made the same argument 💀

Tertullian doesn't know James's trinity concept.

31:46 It’s unsettling how many of these “cult characteristics” like opposing critical thinking, isolating and punishing dissection, requiring inappropriate demonstrations of loyalty, are exemplified in Trinitarian churches, in defense of the Trinity.

I use to believe in Unitarianism but the bible doesn't teach it sorry but God is Triune