I can’t make this up he’s not the guy if you have to start off the video like, “We are here trying to figure out like we’ve been trying to figure out feels like the whole season “ ~T Jenkins
Bears fans spent 3 years convincing themselves Fields was their savior to the point where they are stubbornly refusing to admit he’s a bust. Simply incredible.
The simple fact is that it could be a failure of coaching to teach him properly, it could also be him failing to internalize that move despite active coaching towards it. We don't know what coaching he has had, merely assumptions. All we know is that after 3 years, he still doesn't have that timing down.
@@MrSimpsoniapersonally I believe it’s on the coaching because, if I remember correctly, Getsy tried to get JF to switch his feet and do left foot back. That was the beginning of the season and it was HORRIBLE for JF because it changed everything about how he threw the ball. I wonder if he’s still readjusting since they let him go back to having right foot back. Jenkins or O’Sullivan talked about this on a breakdown earlier in the year as well, that young QBs who learn right foot back don’t usually adjust well to left foot back until they have been in the league for several years. I believe he said Brady didn’t start that until year 7-8, same with P Manning and same with Rodgers. So maybe that jacked up his whole rhythm and timing and comfort. Now he’s trying to find it again. Just a thought based on some of the things I’ve heard and seen this year
@@MrSimpsoniaNo, no, no my friend; there’s no room for assumptions here. You said after three years, but there’s no three year question about the left foot forward stance. Before Luke Gesty Fields was a right foot forward quarterback. I know I watched him in high school and college, even his first year under Matt Nagy. In fact Gesty talked specifically about his footwork and how much it improved because of all the work Justin had put in. In fact this is not the first time that Tim has mentioned how the left foot forward doesn’t sync up with some of the route concepts in Getsy’s playbook. Reference Tim’s breakdown of Fields after the Tampa Bay game and you’ll hear his concerns about the left foot forward and the timing on some of the route concepts. Even with all of that said “good coaching” doesn’t allow improper technique to continue over a two year span. In fact the re-stabbing of the right foot would have been taught when Gesty was first introducing the left foot forward stance, but remember Gesty didn’t teach this to Arron Rogers, he was already doing it when Gesty became his quarterback coach and in two years he hasn’t figured it out the way Tim has. Who by the way is a former quarterback himself.
No Sir. Gesty changed Fields footwork to left foot forward; not Fields. If the footwork doesn’t sync with the route that’s on the designer; not the one being asked to execute it. If Tim (who points it out) Fields would be re-stabbing the right foot and getting it out quicker because that’s the way Tim would be coaching it. Remember Fields statement “it could be coaching” and everyone jump on him about it. Well in this case Tim agrees with Fields.
I think the decision has to be tied to what they do with Eberflus. If they fire him the next coach should be able to make the decision on Fields. If Eberflus is kept I do not think under any circumstance that we should draft another QB. The next coach after him will be handcuffed to a QB he didn't select. I'm leaning towards running it back with Fields next year but I'm good with a new QB assuming there is a new staff.
People are too enameled with his GREAT plays, and ignore the other NORMAL plays which he sucks at. The issue is that his NOMAL PLAYS!! Are about 80% of his plays .
He skips the normal boring plays in his break downs. Justin is 24, he can hit a 4 yard comeback route or a HB screen. Tim does not need to break it down.
You talk about the passing yards like the his rushing yards don’t count. His rushing yards are also provided by the Quarterback. Most other Quarterbacks don’t get those. Especially how he routinely gets 20 to 30 yards on those plays.
These people have to be fans of other teams that have a pocket passer. Ever since I got a QB that can do these types of runs, I get now why people enjoyed Cam, Vick, Lamar and Young. This is just not normal and people do not know how to comprehend it. The dude is going to end around 2750 passing yards 18-20 TDS 800 rushing yards 5 TD and he missed 4.5 games. The dude is just special. @@alsoulmusic
@@alsoulmusic bc others franchise QB can throw for 300 yds a game. 😣😣 If justin can throw for 250 yds + run that is good . But he cannot 🤷♂️🤷♂️ if he want to run He gotto do against good teams not just the panthers or cardinals
I want to see Justin fields being able to throw the ball to Marvin Harrison Jr , and maybe Nabers or Higgins, so many options available especially when we have as many assets as we have this draft class plus the financial flexibility to fix the glaring issues that have been happening with our team since before Justin arrived here but now is the Time to award him and our long suffering FAN BASE WHO HAVE STAYED WITH THIS ORGANIZATION SINCE OUR LAST TITLE BACK IN 1984-85 !!! Please stop taking for granted that loyalty and passion that we have had and don't try to act like we can't afford to pay our deserving Quarterback and let's start acting like we are winning the Championship not like we're looking for trash heap bargains and let's get the best available player we need to win now please let someone else in the leftover pile !!! I'm 50 years old and I don't have another 30 years to wait until we get everything right we have a great defense and with what ive seen from Fields we can wi. If we use what we have In assets and financial means and go grab this title while we're alive !!!! BEAR DOWN 🐻
Hi there. Love your show. Can you let me know if other top tier QBs had slow releases/processing during their first few years and eventually got better? Like many other Bears fans, we are going nuts over this draft situation.
I'm with you Tim. It's trading the #1 pick for a king's ransom and building the team around Fields. I'm not convinced Williams or Maye are better than Fields right now. Could they wind up being better? It's questionable. You just never know. Finding success at the NFL level at the QB position is incredibly difficult. I think the draft cycle makes people prone to falling in love with traits and potential while not realizing the difference between college and the pros. Teams preferred Zach Wilson and Trey Lance to Fields, but who has had the most success? Plus, by securing even more future capital, you allow yourself the flexibility to draft a QB if Fields doesn't continue to improve. The QB contract doesn't really affect the Bears next year either because Fields still has another year on his rookie contract. Next year is the do or die season for Justin as a Chicago Bear. 3rd year in the system with better weapons. I think that's the route they need to take.
The play with the ultra high route: it’s the check down to Johnson. The ultra high is tipped at best. At least the out you can put it in a spot where it’s a catch for the offense or incomplete
Are you serious my dude. This is why everyone seeing the all 22 is a bad idea. By the time he tries to make that throw it will be either inacurate on the run or batted.
bad idea? The truth must really hurt that you need to have a tantrum. That's an easy pass for most NFL QBs. He needs to throw it up and let his guy catch it. He was open by more than 10 yards. There's another td that he passed up to DJ 13:52 and threw it short to Herbert. These are the plays that make or break your career. With both of these plays, he would have added 60+ yards and 2 TDs. Also, the Velus one could have broke 50 yards too. He passed up on the deep in 10:33, but then velus was crossing mid field 10:42 and he passed on that too. How many excuses for a 3rd year QB?
You are trying to diagnose something more than Tim Jenkins. That is the problem with entitled ass generation of people that pretend to be film watchers. They believe if someone is missed its all on the QB and the misses happen all the time to every QB around the league.@@raise1000
It's almost like JF1 ability to run is what is limiting his passing skill and improvement. Where less agile and fast QBs are in these situations they are forced to throw with anticipation more or have elite passing attributes where JF1 can just pull it down at anytime and never has to actually throw that ball to the person coming clear or to a spot. And that's to say - can you win a SB with a QB who is mediocre as a passer and may go for 100 yards rushing every now and then. And do this against playoff top 10 defenses that are scheming to take away his strength. - for 40$ Milly a year
The only legit thing that worries me about jf is that he made a comment when he had his second start he said the game is much slower then i thought but too me i think he is just slow. Theres times where it needs to be step one release. Instead he goes one two and gets left behind
I love Tim and everything he does but if you're still asking in week 16 of year 3, that question of is he the guy in Chicago then you have your answer. I love Justin, couldn't have been happier when we took him but the film has spoken and time has run out. I hate it had to end cus i love the guy and how he carries himself.
They are only asking because the overall team seems like they are trying to go go for the number one pick .. we all know he is the guy for the bears but they are known for making terrible decisions instead if really building around something good
@@devonlatrell5767 why do you say we? Poles and Ian Cunningham are we, we dont know anything as far as the right decision. definitely not an easy one but Fields has been imperfect and hes not Poles guy. Poles traded the pick last year n gave him the shot to blow him away. He hasnt.
Year 3 is such an arbitrary metric. We all know year 2 was a tank year, so that year was a total wash. The issue is more that we have the number 1 overall pick in a year with a supposed generational quarterback coming out. If we weren’t in this position, Fields would unquestionably be the guy. This is why we are asking the question. Does Justin continue to grow or will Caleb Williams be better than him in 2 years. Plus, the rookie contract; Justin has played well enough for a bigger contract but it’s hard to build a roster after the qb contract. Personally, I say keep Justin, keep building the team. I’m willing to see Caleb become a star somewhere else.
@@PapaChummyfans who are clamoring for Caleb won’t wait 2 years, he has to come out and win right off or we will be having the same discussions in 2 yrs that we are having today. Can they guarantee, without a shadow of a doubt that CW is going to be better? No because every rookie is a gamble. Do I want to take advantage of what we are building and keep QB1? Absolutely, because that is how great teams are built. Changing QBs every 3 yrs so all of your talent ages out or asks to leave, is NOT a winning formula 🤷🏻♀️ WE provide that statistic, because we have been doing this exact scenario FOR 38 YEARS! It doesn’t work! Everyone be patient and stop blaming the 24 yr old kid for his coaches incompetence. Plus why would we want to draft a kid who doesn’t want to come here? I know people say they don’t have a choice, but they do. Even if he couldn’t decline them drafting him, he doesn’t have to play well or even try. What’s the easiest way to get let go, unless you are a Manning and can demand to go somewhere else? Play like shit 🤷🏻♀️ like all these fans assume that CW will come here as the second coming but if he doesn’t want to be here, I foresee a petulant child pouting and throwing a tantrum in any way he can to get what he wants.
"Week 16 of year 3" is incredibly misleading. He's played just over two full seasons worth of games. Despite basically no development by the coaching staff year 1 and nobody at all to throw to year 2, he's improved every season in completion %, YPA, TD:INT ratio, and passer rating. He's 24 years old. There are more Dak Prescotts, Geno Smiths, and Baker Mayfields than there are Joe Burrows. I'm not saying give him until he's 29-30, but at least let him play out his rookie contract before you put a ceiling on him. Everyone in the building is saying he's constantly improving and continuing to put in the work to do so. The idea that this is the end because it's year 3 of his contract is silly and nobody would be talking about it if the Bears were picking outside the top 2 picks. The Bears fans who want Williams are going to have a meltdown if he's the pick and doesn't lead a playoff run his rookie year while he's adjusting to the NFL.
The idk play for 10 yards, looks like it was a RPO that JF adlib the hole based on how the defense responded. He was prob designed to just be a run/screen option and he saw qrts and the LB went for Herbert so he made a play.
The problem is that the number 1 picks doesn't grow on trees. They were very fortunate to get it a second time and I don't see them getting another one anytime soon. I don't think that they will be able to pass up qbs again.
@rustyshackleford9006 So what happens if Caleb does become the guy for someone else and Fields is still up and down. Now you pass up two really good qbs for the guy you just can't seem to let go. I get it people love Fields as do I but you have to come to grips that he may never be that guy as a passer. Stop setting the bar so low.
@@TheDmhjr21 a rookie doing well in one place doesn't mean they will do well in another. No one would be talking about Stroud if he was in Chicago. The bears biggest problem is with the coaching decision makers.
@@TheDmhjr21 probly the same thing that happens if Caleb is a bust and Fields goes somewhere and becomes a superstar. Except, we have seen what Fields CAN do against NFL talent. Caleb is a bigger mystery. Either way, if Poles gets it wrong, its over for him.
@madnes8313 That's why I don't envy Poles decision. I feel like it's an uphill battle for Fields to return. It would be a lot easier decision if we weren't going to have the number 1 pick.
If they trade the pick again they will have enough picks to move anywhere they want in the draft for the next 2-3 years. You have to go off your evaluations, it doesn't matter what happened last year. Taking a QB for the sake of it is how people lose their jobs and how franchises get set back half a decade. Williams has too many red flags for my liking with basically the same skillset as Fields but worse size and no NFL tape to work off of. I think Williams would get eaten alive by Chicago media, while Fields is a proven leader who seems to have the unconditional support of his teammates. Fields has his flaws, but you can't move off of him if your evaluation says he's better for the team on and off the field than one of the rookies just because it's what 75% of the fans and media want you to do.
I love how you say at 2:47 you could argue that Fields can throw the ultra high, but then you say Fields makes something out of nothing on that play? Which is it? Can't be both. I think Bears should stick with Fields, but call it for what it is, he holds the ball and sometimes causes his own hardships.
It has now turned into trusting his weapons He does not trust Mooney right now, but he trusts Kmet a lot. This is why he is not throwing to Velus on 25 yard sit routes.
I hate when people say he holds the ball too long because if you haven't noticed most quarterbacks hold the damn ball to f****** long. Watch more than just Justin fields evaluations. And you are aware of two things can be true at once. He might of had it but having the all22 footage allows us to see things Justin probably can't.
Imho Fields does hold the ball to long and he lacks anticipation on his throws. He waits until he sees that his receiver is open before throwing the ball. He is an NFL starter, but if you were doing a QB only draft what pick would he be. He's a QB that a team can win with but does that team win because of its qb. Now after saying all that if I was the GM I would trade down and draft more talent. The 2025 free agent QB market is stacked in Fields doesn't work out!
Your own comment says that on the tape there are things Fields doesn't see. Watch this again and tell me how many throws go out in rhythm? How many throws are released when he is at the top of his drop? Tim does a whole segment on how Fields was late on throwing the out.
@@dionfleming492 He has consistently for his entire NFL career, played his worst ball when it matters most. If you don't see that as a massive red flag, not sure what to tell you.
@@Dubberzzthe passer rating can be scewed in 4th quarter because like the packers game he threw 2 picks in the 4th cuz we were losing so much and u gotta throw every down and throw deep.
@@JohnnJohnsonnhuh? He had one fumble and interception that were completely on him 😭💀. Ya’ll internalize the information you want to hear and not what is.
Fields tried to adapt his footwork to the offense and made it clear it was too mechanical for him, his footwork is what he feels comfortable with. Fields isn’t going to fit the rules of a timing offense and that is just one of the reasons he will be traded.
His hips and low back look tight too. You cant ask a kicker to swap his feet for this same reason. However, nobody knows what offense will be run in Chicago next year, just that it won't be this sh*t.
What’s so frustrating about JF is plays like @ 5:24 are so nice and prove he’s got the physical tools to do it. But unfortunately, he’s too inconsistent with those kind of throws. Lots of hesitation and still showing signs of a lack of anticipation. If he could do things like that more often, the new QB talk would have not even started.
He’s finally comfortable in that huge market. Being a QB for the bears is like being Vice President if not president! This franchise is iconic! It’s easy to type these thoughts but to be the guy is like Kennedy in that drop top convertible!
To me that’s on the franchise. If this is my organization im hiring whoever I need to hire to develop Fields. If a guy on RUclips is able to diagnose the franchise QBs mistakes why can’t the organization hire someone to do the same and teach the correct way to do things? It’s so ridiculous but that’s why our organization is not successful
The reason the QB talk has started is because most Bears fans are impatient, only watch him play, are looking for numbers instead of film and they have the #1 pick from Carolina. They have created the controversy themselves. Halas hall is not even thinking about that pick. They are in a win now mode. Fields has won 3 out of his last 4 games in all different ways with a busted thumb and no one is talking about it. They keep nitpicking things every other QB does. You want to see turnovers go watch Lawrence, Allen, and any of the bottom tier QB's You want to see holding the ball long, go watch mahomes, burrow, allen, Young and many more You want to see turning down NFL open pass catchers, go watch any young QB. This kid is under some kind of microscope where they are looking for him to make every throw 100% of the time.
@@BigG6179his thumb isn’t busted lol. He missed like over a month. Fields is gone cause he can’t comeback from deficits and can’t ice games cause he’s so one dimensional. He’s just not good enough to pass on a QB like Williams.
What’s funny is that if the pick is 8-15, I don’t even think we are talking about new QB. Everyone is expecting the 1st drafted QB in the class or 1st overall gonna be franchise QB, there are definitely more busts than elites there, drafting QB is rolling the dice and I just don’t think we are capable to develop elite QB based on the past history…..
I agree with what the famed, former great defensive end of the Bears, Ed O'Bradovich, constantly says on his Bear's post-game WGN radio show, and that is; "There's no way in hell that Fields is a franchise QB."
I think you missed one major point. On the play where Fields fakes and heads right, then comes back to Kmet on the left side.....had he delivered the ball properly, instead of under throwing his receiver, it would have been a touchdown. Franchise quarterbacks don't have 2000 rushing yards by their third year. Your highlight scrambles also show something else. Yeah he can run. When the scramble starts after three seconds, you might have a quarterback that does not process information fast enough and deliver.
I've been a huge fan of Justin fields since they drafted him at 11 overall and it's so sad everything he has had to endure with the front office and coaching staff imagine if poor fields would've been fortunate to have gotten a great Offensive coordinator like Shanahan or someone innovative enough to know how to use a player with his special skills like Baltimore or even Philly but he has been through a couple of OC"s who didn't understand how to maximize his abilities so my opinion is that they wasted his first 3 years and in order to cover up the Bears failures and also to put the blame squarely off of of those who are directly responsible for their actions and, who had every opportunity to succeed with Justin fields they're using the excuse that they need to Reset the Quarterback clock which is crap ,because it wouldn't have mattered who was playing at the Quarterback position ! We can win a Title or several with Justin Fields playing as our Quarterback ! STOP BEING CHEAP AND LOOKING FOR EXCUSES FOR THE ORGANIZATION SHORTCOMINGS STAND UP FOR YOUR PLAYER AND MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE AND PLEASE PAY THE MAN CAUSE HE IS THE TYPE OF PERSON YOU WANT TO REPRESENT OUR TEAM FROM TODAY AND MOVING FORWARD!!!Bear Down
Watch his film he’s nothing more then a average Qb he’s been in the league for 3-4 years now seems like he is progressing very slow misses good reads holds onto the ball too long and results in a sack
Justin was asked by media talking heads questions about what he was doing and he is a deep thinker. His response was I looked here and there and saw so I did this...... Fields is surprising onlookers every week with improvement. His first weeks in the NFL are matching the first weeks of Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts. Justin did this with one first round pick player far below the other team that had five first rounders. Ryan will be the hero again in this draft and improve the roster better than last year. 🐻↘️🧆🏝️
I really don't like the design of that "Flutie Concept" play. Specifically pairing those routes with an end-around fake to Velus Jones. I don't think they complemented each other well. The defense was able to quickly identify run/pass early on, and the defenders most affected by the action were away from the routes. Something quick that attacked the linebackers would seem to work much better with that P/A look. If they had to pass, I would've much rather seen Fields under center with a P/A fake to the RB. Maybe Velus runs a shallow crosser in front of the linebackers instead of the end-around. Better yet, with the DE's split as wide as they were, why not audible to a run straight up the middle (preferably to a RB and not Kari Blasingame)? Darnell Wright was standing around with no one to block on that play. It would've been fun to see him pancake that linebacker with Roschon Johnson following close behind with a full head of steam.
On the Fields scramble where he missed the deep sit route, that play was called back because of a holding call I believe. If he throws that there's no holding call. ruclips.net/video/PPiAGgrkPcI/видео.html
Agreed, I can't believe this was rated a "good" play. It's awful QB play. Clean pocket and you have a 20 yard gain that is wide open with Velus. Easy lay up. Can even take a deep shot at Moore or Mooney who are both in single coverage. Many good passing options on that play. Instead we hold onto the ball for no reason and the OL gets called for holding which cancels out the sensational scramble.
@@gillygillies There's no such thing as an easy layup to Velus Jones. If you have to choose between VJJ's hands or Fields legs, you take Field's legs everyday and twice on Sunday. That's what playing to a QB's strength is called. 95% of other QBs should throw that, Field's shouldn't.
Tim, I really hope you address my message here. Since I know you do a ton of research, I’m sure you’re familiar with the articles written while Fields was at Ohio state asking why he was taking so many unnecessary sacks with such elite offensive talent. We all know now the reason is because he is not good at going through his progressions, and when the first read was covered he was lost. You made this into a positive video, but even your negatives were pointing out the same. You were giving him credit for making nice 15-20 yard runs when you admitted he should’ve let the ball rip for bigger opportunities as his first read. So my question is, if he has minimally improved in going through his progressions, and still makes the same mistakes three years in, and knowing these deficiencies aren’t fixed by adding talent. You already missed on CJ Stroud, you have two quarterbacks coming out whether you would like them or not have higher grades than Stroud, how can you in good faith say you would take Justin Fields going forward when you know what it takes to win as a pocket passer, and how minimally he has improved in that regard? I don’t understand your logic at all
i don't know if its cause i only watch his justin fields videos or if this man just does not get enough sleep but everytime i watch one of his breakdowns my man is just struggling to keep his eyes open and yawning every 5 seconds.
Could you imagine MHJ, a true C, and another beast pass rusher? That’s where IMO, the Bears should focus their attention. MHJ is the sure lock stud of the top 4 players. Not the others.
@@drbenway4 Wow, replying to something I said 7months ago. Nice job buddy. Now go and find my comments I said 3.5 months ago where I say I trust in Poles and I’m with Caleb. You know since you don’t seem to have anything else better to do. Loser.
I wouldn’t keep Fields. Adding more weapons won’t make a difference. He can’t even find the weapons that he has now. This is a throwing league. We need a QB that can find his open receivers and throw with anticipation. Unfortunately, Fields can’t process fast enough to do this. Let’s just get another QB that can. Enough of making excuses!
The problem with keeping Fields and trading down is that sure you can add more pieces around him, but if that still doesn't work out, then you would probably have to then spend a king's ransom (2 or 3 1st, couple 2nds and an odd 3rd or two, to get back into position to draft your next young QB in 1 to 3 years from now. Assuming at that point the Bears would be like a 5 to 9 win team, bad not terrible to maybe board line "in the hunt" type team, that even if they make the playoffs gets curve stomped in the 1st round.
You are assuming the QBs drafted 1st overall or later traded up for are elite, my question is why can’t we draft QBs like Dak, Wilson, Purdy, J.Hurts, or even Cousins in later rounds? You look at top 10 QBs with QBR this year, how many 1st overall or 1st drafted QB in the class is there? Baker and Goff are the only QBs and not with the teams drafted them originally….
Yes! JF1 is the Bears franchise QB. Fix that weak Center position and a Guard position. B. Jones is decent at LT. Then get a WR2! Scott or Velus or the punt returner can be WR3. Replace Eddie Jackson!
1st off, you don't replace Fields without blockbuster trade ! He's had what, 3 different oc coordinators in 3 yrs ? Yes ? That is very difficult for any QB ! Fields is very talented and if u move on from him, you best hit Gold as well as receiving a blockbuster trade !!
The Bears historic draught of quality QB play likely will lead them to trading Fields and selecting the highest rated QB on their board. They have not competed for the division with Justin Fields in the three seasons he's been there (He's won a total of 9 football games over three seasons with two games remaining this year). They have weapons with Herbert, DJ Moore, Kmet. DJ Moore and Kmet are top-10 at their position when with a pocket passing QB. The opportunity to re-position their team in this upcoming draft, that is already super solid on defense, is too much to pass up. Fields is very talented and I don't root against him, but the truth is they haven't remotely competed in their division since he's been there and it doesn't matter if he has 3x Jerry Rice's in their prime out there with him if Justin doesn't want to sit in the pocket or at least buy time like Lamar, Pat, Jalen do for their receivers to get open. A ton of Bears fans have his back, but it would almost be irresponsible to not draft the top QB coming out this year imo. The Bears are loaded with draft picks. The draft capital they have with or without Fields being traded is a massive haul that they can use to recruit any coach to sign with them if they want to move on from Eberflus. I initially thought earlier this year that they should move on from their HC, but he has their defense playing great and he's adjusted their scheme to match Fields' skill set this year. I'd trade Fields and let Eberflus pick the guy he wants out of the draft.
Justin Fields has never had a Roster, HC, OC that allowed him to win consistently since arriving in Chicago. Also Tim could you address the false narrative that Justin cannot read defenses?
That 1-2 on the first play looks like the play design... Herbert dragged across... if it were a plant and go like you suggest then Herberts release would have been different and probably would have had to go behind JF. I wouldn't say JF was late, I would say it's a bad designed play. Sorry will only subscribe on RUclips and am not interested in Patreon.
I think Caleb Williams has been chosen by the elites he light skin with a soft feminism personality just the way they like it they already trying make a star out of him. I don't think CW belongs here though let his hometown Washington draft him build around fields.
The Bears aren't a QB away from winning a Superbowl. There are so many holes that need to be filled. I think they will be better if they pass on Caleb and get more depth with Fields as QB1.
The pick was because the D knew DJ was a decoy by that point of the game, his CB drop back for the pick and Herbert didn't attack the ball, kept fading.
CALEB KNOWS Wide Receiver, O-Line, Edge & D-Line are the Bears positions of need, NOT QUARTERBACK! That's why he's "liking" tweets about the Bears shouldn't draft him.
35 yrd game, you want him to throw to QJ that has missed more balls than Stevie Wonder in the batters box... I wouldn't have thrown that either. DJ was a decoy.. I didn't see anyone else open.
@1:35 ..Oh my goodness... Getsy has the X wr and slot wr on LEFT side RUNNING TO THE SAME AREA. 😡 NOW when Fields decides to avoid that area some ppl say "he's holding the ball" SMH
Nothing. Bears fans are acting like they needed to win a super bowl this season when in reality, this season was all about evaluation. Fans also leave out that the Bears should be 9-6 right now. Coaching meltdowns led to 3 4th quarter comebacks by opposing teams in games where Fields had them up by at least 2 scores going into the 4th or in the 4th. The fact that people don't see that Getsy is an issue is crazy to me.
Fields is clearly not a franchise quarterback. He may develop into a middle-of-the-road league-average quarterback, but he will never be an elite franchise quarterback for a Super Bowl contender. The vast majority of elite franchise quarterbacks show signs that they are capable of being an elite quarterback within the first year of being drafted. Fields has never been consistent enough to show he is capable of being an elite NFL quarterback. In Patrick Mahomes's first full year of starting, the Chiefs were 12-4 and Mahomes led them to the AFC championship game and has won two Super Bowls since. In Joe Burrow's first full year of starting, he led the Bengals to the Super Bowl and the next season to the AFC Championship game. In Jalen Hurts' second full year of starting, the Eagles were 14-1 in games he started, and he led them to the Super Bowl. In 2001, Tom Brady took over for an injured Drew Bledsoe and led them to an 11-3 record the rest of the way, the Patriots won the Super Bowl, and the Patriots were set at quarterback for 18 years! Fields is not even close to playing at the same level as any of those quarterbacks at the same time in their career.
THE LAST 10 Years of “FIRST QB TAKEN” (Bortles, Winston, Goff, Trubisky, Mayfield, Murrray, Burrow, Lawrence, Pickett, Young) account for: - ZERO ALL PROS - ZERO SUPER BOWLS - 9 out of a possible 45 PRO BOWL Selections … Lol … wait, it get’s worse. That 9 with 6 QBs making it to the initial roster each year and an additional 4-6 alternate QBs named. Understand that Tyler Huntley was a Pro Bowl Alternate in 2023!
I am JF fan and i would like to see him stay in Chicago..having said that, he only has 2 flaws as a passer: he simply can not throw with anticipation and he still lacks pocket awareness which shouldn't be the case after 3 years in NFL
There are a lot of examples of the anticipation throws but they really only come to Kmet and Moore, I think it is a lack of trust in the other guys to catch it or be in the right position but that is speculation.
@@santaclause3487 rewatch Tim's tape. He literally shows several in this video where he threw to his second or third read. The bomb to Kmet was the 2nd or 3rd read after getting out of a collapsing pocket to make the play. A lot of the tape breakdowns show this was a great narrative last year but weak sauce this year.
Fields in this game: 175 passing yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, Passer Rating 71.5. Arizona's passing defense before this game: 2nd to last in the NFL, allowing an *average* passer rating of 103.8. Tim Jenkins: "Yeah, this game makes me think Fields should be the Bears franchise QB." At what point are y'all going to ask yourselves: "Hey, is this guy asking me to buy my patreon videos really giving me the whole truth, or is he just telling me what I want to year?"
Do you think Josh Allen would have slid heading toward the goal line with a blocker in front.... be a football player !! That was a touchdown not a next play int. Geezus - dude still can't read the field and throw people open when they open.
Keep JF1. All the haters want to over analyze Fields although all around the league QB’s are not perfect. It’s all about the shiny new toy with some many other holes to fill. This team will never have the depth that teams like the ravens or the browns if they keep restarting a position that is working.
And all the lovers love him not for his play, but because he is "their guy". Please list the things you love about him besides, upside or athleticism, which have done virtually nothing for him. I'll wait....
@@jimmymacnutrition6628 I don’t need to list how he has improved if you are watching him play without bias. I actually think he is exciting to watch along with Lamar. He needs to work on somethings but literally so will any QB they draft. Fact is the number one athlete in the draft is MJH not Caleb who by the way doesn’t want to be here.
@@Loski-g3c I figured you couldn't list anything because he has been mediocre. QBR rating went from 56 last year to 43 this year. Passer success percentage of 38 is the same. 4th quarter passer ratings all down. Running way down. So he has gone backwards from last year. When you say watching with bias I assume you mean racial bias. I go by how QBs play and would take Love,Dak, Mahomes over Fields in a heartbeat.
Bears still need an OL, I would still get MHJ if he is entering the draft, if not trade back get Alt for the LT and another Offense weapon like a true #1 WR or Bowers. The biggest must is getting rid of the coaching staff and getting someone like Harbaugh. the team is built around Harbaugh strength... In the Second or Third try to get one of those 3 tech DT out of the 6... one will prob be there. The Bears needs are LT, LG, C, WR1, DT(3tech), FS. Jenkins needs to be the RG so he can team up with Wright and they can run to the weakside.
It’s a tough decision. I think it depends on what you can get for the pick, if it’s #1. I haven’t seen these college QB’s since I only watch the NFL. From what I hear, Williams hasnt had that great of a year and Maye hasn’t blown the doors off either. If you can trade down and get Marvin, I’d do it. If not, I’d draft a QB. Fields can be elite if he would just throw the ball a tad earlier sometimes. I think you can win with him and I’d love to see a coordinator make an offense that completely suits him.
It’s easy. Wtf is foelds going to do with Harrison and moore? He can’t even complete a slant pass. Williams is amazing. Won heisman as a true sophomore, he didn’t have a bad year his team just sucks besides him. College football is way tougher now compared to 3 years ago cause of all the transfer Covid super seniors. Dudes are playing until 25 now
@@santaclause3487Williams is literally 0-5 and 2-7 in high stake games or against top 10 defenses. He does the same shit as fields without his athleticism. Go watch some high lights it's literally justin fields 2.0 but the guy is 5 11(another red flag he's lied about his height) dude is no where near 6 1 🤣🤣
He’s a bust. This was the no excuses year and there are still excuses. He can’t read a defense or anticipate throws. All these Bears spent 3 years convincing themselves he was the savior and refuse to stomach the thought that he just sucks. It’s amazing that a franchise that complains about always having mediocre QB play wants to continue on with a mediocre QB. Hilarious.
You are garbage lmao fields is a good qb he may not be perfect but hes shown improvement. Caleb doesnt want the bears maye could be decent but trading down is in my opinion the best choice and trying to grab nabors
I think Caleb Williams has been chosen by the elites he light skin with a soft feminism personality just the way they like it they already trying make a star out of him. I don't think CW belongs in Chicago though let his hometown Washington draft him.
Half of a bad play?!? I had to dislike this video for making it click bait for your patreon. Just get us there for quality content. You don’t have to be greasy about it.
That first ball that everyone says he was late on I saw Pat Mohomes deliver on time, to the defender going the other way for six so . . .
Good point. Cause fields has 2 super bowls and 2 MVPs like Mahomes. Ur analysis is spot on.
@@santaclause3487 Fields never had as bad of a sequence as Mahomes did on Christmas. Fumble 6 followed by a pick 6 is an absolute joke.
@@hockeyfan1799Fields has a career passer rating of fuckin 60 in the 4th qtr. Maybe your comparison to a 2 time super bowl MVP is a bit homeristic.
Mahomes also has 2 super bowls and averaged 4500 yds a season but
@@hockeyfan1799id rather have mahomes and his two rings still
I can’t make this up he’s not the guy if you have to start off the video like,
“We are here trying to figure out like we’ve been trying to figure out feels like the whole season “
~T Jenkins
Bears fans spent 3 years convincing themselves Fields was their savior to the point where they are stubbornly refusing to admit he’s a bust. Simply incredible.
Agree, past history also shows the fact over 50% of QB taking in 1st round are busts including QB taking with the 1st or 2nd pick.
Yeah the list isn’t good at all. Even Trevor Lawrence looks iffy a lot of times.
Only 2, the Manning Bros since Peyton was drafted. 71% bust
We know we got one
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The percentage is actually higher. Close to a 85% miss rate (average QB)
Your first comment on Justin’s footwork needing to be a simple re-stabbing of the right foot; isn’t that a coaching error/flaw?
Bingo
The simple fact is that it could be a failure of coaching to teach him properly, it could also be him failing to internalize that move despite active coaching towards it. We don't know what coaching he has had, merely assumptions. All we know is that after 3 years, he still doesn't have that timing down.
@@MrSimpsoniapersonally I believe it’s on the coaching because, if I remember correctly, Getsy tried to get JF to switch his feet and do left foot back. That was the beginning of the season and it was HORRIBLE for JF because it changed everything about how he threw the ball. I wonder if he’s still readjusting since they let him go back to having right foot back. Jenkins or O’Sullivan talked about this on a breakdown earlier in the year as well, that young QBs who learn right foot back don’t usually adjust well to left foot back until they have been in the league for several years. I believe he said Brady didn’t start that until year 7-8, same with P Manning and same with Rodgers. So maybe that jacked up his whole rhythm and timing and comfort. Now he’s trying to find it again. Just a thought based on some of the things I’ve heard and seen this year
Whos the one moving their feet? The coaches?
@@MrSimpsoniaNo, no, no my friend; there’s no room for assumptions here. You said after three years, but there’s no three year question about the left foot forward stance. Before Luke Gesty Fields was a right foot forward quarterback. I know I watched him in high school and college, even his first year under Matt Nagy. In fact Gesty talked specifically about his footwork and how much it improved because of all the work Justin had put in. In fact this is not the first time that Tim has mentioned how the left foot forward doesn’t sync up with some of the route concepts in Getsy’s playbook. Reference Tim’s breakdown of Fields after the Tampa Bay game and you’ll hear his concerns about the left foot forward and the timing on some of the route concepts. Even with all of that said “good coaching” doesn’t allow improper technique to continue over a two year span. In fact the re-stabbing of the right foot would have been taught when Gesty was first introducing the left foot forward stance, but remember Gesty didn’t teach this to Arron Rogers, he was already doing it when Gesty became his quarterback coach and in two years he hasn’t figured it out the way Tim has. Who by the way is a former quarterback himself.
No Sir. Gesty changed Fields footwork to left foot forward; not Fields. If the footwork doesn’t sync with the route that’s on the designer; not the one being asked to execute it. If Tim (who points it out) Fields would be re-stabbing the right foot and getting it out quicker because that’s the way Tim would be coaching it. Remember Fields statement “it could be coaching” and everyone jump on him about it. Well in this case Tim agrees with Fields.
Hate when people say JF taps the ball before throwing it no need to stop but just about every qb does it including Aaron Rodgers.
Don't listen don't pay attention. Haters gonna hate its what makes them happy
I think the decision has to be tied to what they do with Eberflus. If they fire him the next coach should be able to make the decision on Fields. If Eberflus is kept I do not think under any circumstance that we should draft another QB. The next coach after him will be handcuffed to a QB he didn't select. I'm leaning towards running it back with Fields next year but I'm good with a new QB assuming there is a new staff.
People are too enameled with his GREAT plays, and ignore the other NORMAL plays which he sucks at. The issue is that his NOMAL PLAYS!! Are about 80% of his plays .
He skips the normal boring plays in his break downs. Justin is 24, he can hit a 4 yard comeback route or a HB screen. Tim does not need to break it down.
Exactly. 170 passing yds. Oh my ..
You talk about the passing yards like the his rushing yards don’t count. His rushing yards are also provided by the Quarterback. Most other Quarterbacks don’t get those. Especially how he routinely gets 20 to 30 yards on those plays.
These people have to be fans of other teams that have a pocket passer. Ever since I got a QB that can do these types of runs, I get now why people enjoyed Cam, Vick, Lamar and Young. This is just not normal and people do not know how to comprehend it.
The dude is going to end around 2750 passing yards 18-20 TDS 800 rushing yards 5 TD and he missed 4.5 games. The dude is just special. @@alsoulmusic
@@alsoulmusic bc others franchise QB can throw for 300 yds a game. 😣😣
If justin can throw for 250 yds + run that is good . But he cannot 🤷♂️🤷♂️
if he want to run He gotto do against good teams not just the panthers or cardinals
Tim do you think JF is late on some throws because of Getsy changing his back foot under center?
Can you please do film break down for some of the Bears potential qb picks in this year’s draft??
I want to see Justin fields being able to throw the ball to Marvin Harrison Jr , and maybe Nabers or Higgins, so many options available especially when we have as many assets as we have this draft class plus the financial flexibility to fix the glaring issues that have been happening with our team since before Justin arrived here but now is the Time to award him and our long suffering FAN BASE WHO HAVE STAYED WITH THIS ORGANIZATION SINCE OUR LAST TITLE BACK IN 1984-85 !!! Please stop taking for granted that loyalty and passion that we have had and don't try to act like we can't afford to pay our deserving Quarterback and let's start acting like we are winning the Championship not like we're looking for trash heap bargains and let's get the best available player we need to win now please let someone else in the leftover pile !!! I'm 50 years old and I don't have another 30 years to wait until we get everything right we have a great defense and with what ive seen from Fields we can wi. If we use what we have In assets and financial means and go grab this title while we're alive !!!! BEAR DOWN 🐻
If he had wide open passes and doesn’t throw then the play is bad. I don’t care what he does scrambling if he has open receivers
Sorry but a 55% completion percentage with 1TD/1INT against a defense that ranks 31/32 does not impress me
what about the 160/ypg passing? You not impressed with that? lol
Hi there. Love your show. Can you let me know if other top tier QBs had slow releases/processing during their first few years and eventually got better? Like many other Bears fans, we are going nuts over this draft situation.
I'm with you Tim. It's trading the #1 pick for a king's ransom and building the team around Fields. I'm not convinced Williams or Maye are better than Fields right now. Could they wind up being better? It's questionable. You just never know. Finding success at the NFL level at the QB position is incredibly difficult. I think the draft cycle makes people prone to falling in love with traits and potential while not realizing the difference between college and the pros. Teams preferred Zach Wilson and Trey Lance to Fields, but who has had the most success? Plus, by securing even more future capital, you allow yourself the flexibility to draft a QB if Fields doesn't continue to improve. The QB contract doesn't really affect the Bears next year either because Fields still has another year on his rookie contract. Next year is the do or die season for Justin as a Chicago Bear. 3rd year in the system with better weapons. I think that's the route they need to take.
The play with the ultra high route: it’s the check down to Johnson. The ultra high is tipped at best. At least the out you can put it in a spot where it’s a catch for the offense or incomplete
12:42 DJ can't get more open. There are too many of these types of plays.
Are you serious my dude. This is why everyone seeing the all 22 is a bad idea. By the time he tries to make that throw it will be either inacurate on the run or batted.
bad idea? The truth must really hurt that you need to have a tantrum. That's an easy pass for most NFL QBs. He needs to throw it up and let his guy catch it. He was open by more than 10 yards. There's another td that he passed up to DJ 13:52 and threw it short to Herbert. These are the plays that make or break your career. With both of these plays, he would have added 60+ yards and 2 TDs. Also, the Velus one could have broke 50 yards too. He passed up on the deep in 10:33, but then velus was crossing mid field 10:42 and he passed on that too. How many excuses for a 3rd year QB?
You are trying to diagnose something more than Tim Jenkins. That is the problem with entitled ass generation of people that pretend to be film watchers. They believe if someone is missed its all on the QB and the misses happen all the time to every QB around the league.@@raise1000
It's almost like JF1 ability to run is what is limiting his passing skill and improvement. Where less agile and fast QBs are in these situations they are forced to throw with anticipation more or have elite passing attributes where JF1 can just pull it down at anytime and never has to actually throw that ball to the person coming clear or to a spot.
And that's to say - can you win a SB with a QB who is mediocre as a passer and may go for 100 yards rushing every now and then. And do this against playoff top 10 defenses that are scheming to take away his strength. - for 40$ Milly a year
Tim would you draft marvin harrison or trade farther down and go after a different receiver?
Happy holidays to you and the fam Tim!
The only legit thing that worries me about jf is that he made a comment when he had his second start he said the game is much slower then i thought but too me i think he is just slow. Theres times where it needs to be step one release. Instead he goes one two and gets left behind
I love Tim and everything he does but if you're still asking in week 16 of year 3, that question of is he the guy in Chicago then you have your answer. I love Justin, couldn't have been happier when we took him but the film has spoken and time has run out. I hate it had to end cus i love the guy and how he carries himself.
They are only asking because the overall team seems like they are trying to go go for the number one pick .. we all know he is the guy for the bears but they are known for making terrible decisions instead if really building around something good
@@devonlatrell5767 why do you say we? Poles and Ian Cunningham are we, we dont know anything as far as the right decision. definitely not an easy one but Fields has been imperfect and hes not Poles guy. Poles traded the pick last year n gave him the shot to blow him away. He hasnt.
Year 3 is such an arbitrary metric. We all know year 2 was a tank year, so that year was a total wash. The issue is more that we have the number 1 overall pick in a year with a supposed generational quarterback coming out. If we weren’t in this position, Fields would unquestionably be the guy. This is why we are asking the question. Does Justin continue to grow or will Caleb Williams be better than him in 2 years. Plus, the rookie contract; Justin has played well enough for a bigger contract but it’s hard to build a roster after the qb contract.
Personally, I say keep Justin, keep building the team. I’m willing to see Caleb become a star somewhere else.
@@PapaChummyfans who are clamoring for Caleb won’t wait 2 years, he has to come out and win right off or we will be having the same discussions in 2 yrs that we are having today. Can they guarantee, without a shadow of a doubt that CW is going to be better? No because every rookie is a gamble. Do I want to take advantage of what we are building and keep QB1? Absolutely, because that is how great teams are built. Changing QBs every 3 yrs so all of your talent ages out or asks to leave, is NOT a winning formula 🤷🏻♀️ WE provide that statistic, because we have been doing this exact scenario FOR 38 YEARS! It doesn’t work! Everyone be patient and stop blaming the 24 yr old kid for his coaches incompetence. Plus why would we want to draft a kid who doesn’t want to come here? I know people say they don’t have a choice, but they do. Even if he couldn’t decline them drafting him, he doesn’t have to play well or even try. What’s the easiest way to get let go, unless you are a Manning and can demand to go somewhere else? Play like shit 🤷🏻♀️ like all these fans assume that CW will come here as the second coming but if he doesn’t want to be here, I foresee a petulant child pouting and throwing a tantrum in any way he can to get what he wants.
"Week 16 of year 3" is incredibly misleading. He's played just over two full seasons worth of games. Despite basically no development by the coaching staff year 1 and nobody at all to throw to year 2, he's improved every season in completion %, YPA, TD:INT ratio, and passer rating. He's 24 years old. There are more Dak Prescotts, Geno Smiths, and Baker Mayfields than there are Joe Burrows. I'm not saying give him until he's 29-30, but at least let him play out his rookie contract before you put a ceiling on him. Everyone in the building is saying he's constantly improving and continuing to put in the work to do so. The idea that this is the end because it's year 3 of his contract is silly and nobody would be talking about it if the Bears were picking outside the top 2 picks. The Bears fans who want Williams are going to have a meltdown if he's the pick and doesn't lead a playoff run his rookie year while he's adjusting to the NFL.
The idk play for 10 yards, looks like it was a RPO that JF adlib the hole based on how the defense responded. He was prob designed to just be a run/screen option and he saw qrts and the LB went for Herbert so he made a play.
The problem is that the number 1 picks doesn't grow on trees. They were very fortunate to get it a second time and I don't see them getting another one anytime soon. I don't think that they will be able to pass up qbs again.
@rustyshackleford9006 So what happens if Caleb does become the guy for someone else and Fields is still up and down. Now you pass up two really good qbs for the guy you just can't seem to let go. I get it people love Fields as do I but you have to come to grips that he may never be that guy as a passer. Stop setting the bar so low.
@@TheDmhjr21 a rookie doing well in one place doesn't mean they will do well in another. No one would be talking about Stroud if he was in Chicago. The bears biggest problem is with the coaching decision makers.
@@TheDmhjr21 probly the same thing that happens if Caleb is a bust and Fields goes somewhere and becomes a superstar. Except, we have seen what Fields CAN do against NFL talent. Caleb is a bigger mystery. Either way, if Poles gets it wrong, its over for him.
@madnes8313 That's why I don't envy Poles decision. I feel like it's an uphill battle for Fields to return. It would be a lot easier decision if we weren't going to have the number 1 pick.
If they trade the pick again they will have enough picks to move anywhere they want in the draft for the next 2-3 years. You have to go off your evaluations, it doesn't matter what happened last year. Taking a QB for the sake of it is how people lose their jobs and how franchises get set back half a decade. Williams has too many red flags for my liking with basically the same skillset as Fields but worse size and no NFL tape to work off of. I think Williams would get eaten alive by Chicago media, while Fields is a proven leader who seems to have the unconditional support of his teammates. Fields has his flaws, but you can't move off of him if your evaluation says he's better for the team on and off the field than one of the rookies just because it's what 75% of the fans and media want you to do.
I love how you say at 2:47 you could argue that Fields can throw the ultra high, but then you say Fields makes something out of nothing on that play? Which is it? Can't be both. I think Bears should stick with Fields, but call it for what it is, he holds the ball and sometimes causes his own hardships.
It has now turned into trusting his weapons He does not trust Mooney right now, but he trusts Kmet a lot. This is why he is not throwing to Velus on 25 yard sit routes.
I hate when people say he holds the ball too long because if you haven't noticed most quarterbacks hold the damn ball to f****** long. Watch more than just Justin fields evaluations. And you are aware of two things can be true at once. He might of had it but having the all22 footage allows us to see things Justin probably can't.
Imho Fields does hold the ball to long and he lacks anticipation on his throws.
He waits until he sees that his receiver is open before throwing the ball.
He is an NFL starter, but if you were doing a QB only draft what pick would he be.
He's a QB that a team can win with but does that team win because of its qb.
Now after saying all that if I was the GM I would trade down and draft more talent.
The 2025 free agent QB market is stacked in Fields doesn't work out!
@justincowans2677 you don't know what you're talking about. He had anticipation throws in this goddamn footage lol 😆 what?
Your own comment says that on the tape there are things Fields doesn't see.
Watch this again and tell me how many throws go out in rhythm? How many throws are released when he is at the top of his drop?
Tim does a whole segment on how Fields was late on throwing the out.
I agree 1000% You trade the #1 pick and build around JF1
Nope!
Two words: BUSTIN FIELDS
They trading fields 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯🏃🏿♂️🏃🏿♂️🏃🏿♂️🏃🏿♂️🏃🏿♂️
In three years he has a 62 passer rating in the 4th qtr, including 50 this season, but a 90 in qtr 1-3.
That tells me everything I need to know.
In three years... Yep, that was all I needed to know about your comment.
@@dionfleming492 He has consistently for his entire NFL career, played his worst ball when it matters most. If you don't see that as a massive red flag, not sure what to tell you.
The good young QB's are winners the first 3 years. What are you talking about? Is Justin a ten yer project? @@dionfleming492
@@Dubberzzthe passer rating can be scewed in 4th quarter because like the packers game he threw 2 picks in the 4th cuz we were losing so much and u gotta throw every down and throw deep.
@@JohnnJohnsonnhuh? He had one fumble and interception that were completely on him 😭💀. Ya’ll internalize the information you want to hear and not what is.
I love it when people I like agree with me.
Fields tried to adapt his footwork to the offense and made it clear it was too mechanical for him, his footwork is what he feels comfortable with. Fields isn’t going to fit the rules of a timing offense and that is just one of the reasons he will be traded.
His hips and low back look tight too. You cant ask a kicker to swap his feet for this same reason.
However, nobody knows what offense will be run in Chicago next year, just that it won't be this sh*t.
What’s so frustrating about JF is plays like @ 5:24 are so nice and prove he’s got the physical tools to do it.
But unfortunately, he’s too inconsistent with those kind of throws. Lots of hesitation and still showing signs of a lack of anticipation. If he could do things like that more often, the new QB talk would have not even started.
He’s finally comfortable in that huge market. Being a QB for the bears is like being Vice President if not president! This franchise is iconic! It’s easy to type these thoughts but to be the guy is like Kennedy in that drop top convertible!
To me that’s on the franchise. If this is my organization im hiring whoever I need to hire to develop Fields. If a guy on RUclips is able to diagnose the franchise QBs mistakes why can’t the organization hire someone to do the same and teach the correct way to do things? It’s so ridiculous but that’s why our organization is not successful
The reason the QB talk has started is because most Bears fans are impatient, only watch him play, are looking for numbers instead of film and they have the #1 pick from Carolina. They have created the controversy themselves.
Halas hall is not even thinking about that pick. They are in a win now mode. Fields has won 3 out of his last 4 games in all different ways with a busted thumb and no one is talking about it. They keep nitpicking things every other QB does.
You want to see turnovers go watch Lawrence, Allen, and any of the bottom tier QB's
You want to see holding the ball long, go watch mahomes, burrow, allen, Young and many more
You want to see turning down NFL open pass catchers, go watch any young QB.
This kid is under some kind of microscope where they are looking for him to make every throw 100% of the time.
@@BigG6179his thumb isn’t busted lol. He missed like over a month. Fields is gone cause he can’t comeback from deficits and can’t ice games cause he’s so one dimensional.
He’s just not good enough to pass on a QB like Williams.
What’s funny is that if the pick is 8-15, I don’t even think we are talking about new QB. Everyone is expecting the 1st drafted QB in the class or 1st overall gonna be franchise QB, there are definitely more busts than elites there, drafting QB is rolling the dice and I just don’t think we are capable to develop elite QB based on the past history…..
Thanks for sharing
The second play, was more than likely JF adjusting out of the pocket to allow 62 to release because he was holding. Adlib to save an OL.
I agree with what the famed, former great defensive end of the Bears, Ed O'Bradovich, constantly says on his Bear's post-game WGN radio show, and that is; "There's no way in hell that Fields is a franchise QB."
Yep!
Getsy needs a true X receiver. Marvin Harrison Jr. was made to play this scheme opposite DJ Moore.
Can’t wait for draft night.
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I think you missed one major point. On the play where Fields fakes and heads right, then comes back to Kmet on the left side.....had he delivered the ball properly, instead of under throwing his receiver, it would have been a touchdown. Franchise quarterbacks don't have 2000 rushing yards by their third year.
Your highlight scrambles also show something else. Yeah he can run. When the scramble starts after three seconds, you might have a quarterback that does not process information fast enough and deliver.
I've been a huge fan of Justin fields since they drafted him at 11 overall and it's so sad everything he has had to endure with the front office and coaching staff imagine if poor fields would've been fortunate to have gotten a great Offensive coordinator like Shanahan or someone innovative enough to know how to use a player with his special skills like Baltimore or even Philly but he has been through a couple of OC"s who didn't understand how to maximize his abilities so my opinion is that they wasted his first 3 years and in order to cover up the Bears failures and also to put the blame squarely off of of those who are directly responsible for their actions and, who had every opportunity to succeed with Justin fields they're using the excuse that they need to Reset the Quarterback clock which is crap ,because it wouldn't have mattered who was playing at the Quarterback position ! We can win a Title or several with Justin Fields playing as our Quarterback ! STOP BEING CHEAP AND LOOKING FOR EXCUSES FOR THE ORGANIZATION SHORTCOMINGS STAND UP FOR YOUR PLAYER AND MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE AND PLEASE PAY THE MAN CAUSE HE IS THE TYPE OF PERSON YOU WANT TO REPRESENT OUR TEAM FROM TODAY AND MOVING FORWARD!!!Bear Down
Watch his film he’s nothing more then a average Qb he’s been in the league for 3-4 years now seems like he is progressing very slow misses good reads holds onto the ball too long and results in a sack
Justin was asked by media talking heads questions about what he was doing and he is a deep thinker. His response was I looked here and there and saw so I did this...... Fields is surprising onlookers every week with improvement. His first weeks in the NFL are matching the first weeks of Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts. Justin did this with one first round pick player far below the other team that had five first rounders.
Ryan will be the hero again in this draft and improve the roster better than last year.
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I've watched his film as well and it's not great by any means. GB schemed him up very well.
I've watched his film as well and it's not great by any means. GB schemed him up very well.
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Nope!
Cmon Tim we need it man
Look at WR jersey #2 at 5:34 in this vid, holy wide open for a walk in touch down if Fields threw even a lob ball.
I really don't like the design of that "Flutie Concept" play. Specifically pairing those routes with an end-around fake to Velus Jones. I don't think they complemented each other well. The defense was able to quickly identify run/pass early on, and the defenders most affected by the action were away from the routes. Something quick that attacked the linebackers would seem to work much better with that P/A look.
If they had to pass, I would've much rather seen Fields under center with a P/A fake to the RB. Maybe Velus runs a shallow crosser in front of the linebackers instead of the end-around.
Better yet, with the DE's split as wide as they were, why not audible to a run straight up the middle (preferably to a RB and not Kari Blasingame)? Darnell Wright was standing around with no one to block on that play. It would've been fun to see him pancake that linebacker with Roschon Johnson following close behind with a full head of steam.
The answer is no without even watch 15 minutes of video .
On the Fields scramble where he missed the deep sit route, that play was called back because of a holding call I believe. If he throws that there's no holding call.
ruclips.net/video/PPiAGgrkPcI/видео.html
The call was BS too, there was no holding and we get screwed again .
Agreed, I can't believe this was rated a "good" play. It's awful QB play. Clean pocket and you have a 20 yard gain that is wide open with Velus. Easy lay up. Can even take a deep shot at Moore or Mooney who are both in single coverage. Many good passing options on that play. Instead we hold onto the ball for no reason and the OL gets called for holding which cancels out the sensational scramble.
@@gillygillies
There's no such thing as an easy layup to Velus Jones. If you have to choose between VJJ's hands or Fields legs, you take Field's legs everyday and twice on Sunday. That's what playing to a QB's strength is called. 95% of other QBs should throw that, Field's shouldn't.
JF1 needs to stay and add another WR and finally can we get a flipping CENTER!!!
Tim, I really hope you address my message here. Since I know you do a ton of research, I’m sure you’re familiar with the articles written while Fields was at Ohio state asking why he was taking so many unnecessary sacks with such elite offensive talent. We all know now the reason is because he is not good at going through his progressions, and when the first read was covered he was lost. You made this into a positive video, but even your negatives were pointing out the same. You were giving him credit for making nice 15-20 yard runs when you admitted he should’ve let the ball rip for bigger opportunities as his first read. So my question is, if he has minimally improved in going through his progressions, and still makes the same mistakes three years in, and knowing these deficiencies aren’t fixed by adding talent. You already missed on CJ Stroud, you have two quarterbacks coming out whether you would like them or not have higher grades than Stroud, how can you in good faith say you would take Justin Fields going forward when you know what it takes to win as a pocket passer, and how minimally he has improved in that regard? I don’t understand your logic at all
i don't know if its cause i only watch his justin fields videos or if this man just does not get enough sleep but everytime i watch one of his breakdowns my man is just struggling to keep his eyes open and yawning every 5 seconds.
Could you imagine MHJ, a true C, and another beast pass rusher? That’s where IMO, the Bears should focus their attention.
MHJ is the sure lock stud of the top 4 players. Not the others.
Nope!
@@drbenway4 Wow, replying to something I said 7months ago. Nice job buddy. Now go and find my comments I said 3.5 months ago where I say I trust in Poles and I’m with Caleb. You know since you don’t seem to have anything else better to do. Loser.
I thought Trey Mancini turned into a QB evaluator. Lol
I wouldn’t keep Fields. Adding more weapons won’t make a difference. He can’t even find the weapons that he has now. This is a throwing league. We need a QB that can find his open receivers and throw with anticipation. Unfortunately, Fields can’t process fast enough to do this. Let’s just get another QB that can. Enough of making excuses!
FTA!
a lot of fields fans got there feelings hurt watching this one
The problem with keeping Fields and trading down is that sure you can add more pieces around him, but if that still doesn't work out, then you would probably have to then spend a king's ransom (2 or 3 1st, couple 2nds and an odd 3rd or two, to get back into position to draft your next young QB in 1 to 3 years from now.
Assuming at that point the Bears would be like a 5 to 9 win team, bad not terrible to maybe board line "in the hunt" type team, that even if they make the playoffs gets curve stomped in the 1st round.
stop the cap. you dont know anything do you?
With a well built team, we can give the house for a QB or any other player (ie, niners)
Or do what the Rams did and get a veteran... Or call Joe Flacco off the couch like the Browns lol
It would be house money at that point
You are assuming the QBs drafted 1st overall or later traded up for are elite, my question is why can’t we draft QBs like Dak, Wilson, Purdy, J.Hurts, or even Cousins in later rounds? You look at top 10 QBs with QBR this year, how many 1st overall or 1st drafted QB in the class is there? Baker and Goff are the only QBs and not with the teams drafted them originally….
Yes! JF1 is the Bears franchise QB. Fix that weak Center position and a Guard position. B. Jones is decent at LT. Then get a WR2! Scott or Velus or the punt returner can be WR3.
Replace Eddie Jackson!
Nope!
Although they did dump Eddie's washed ass...
Justin fields is the definition of “faking it till you make it”. Lol
1st off, you don't replace Fields without blockbuster trade ! He's had what, 3 different oc coordinators in 3 yrs ? Yes ? That is very difficult for any QB ! Fields is very talented and if u move on from him, you best hit Gold as well as receiving a blockbuster trade !!
Nope!
@9:14 great play. Great ghost action. I'm shocked at the creativity 😄
He can be but he needs to fix some throwing mechanics. Hence he was late on the first throw.
The Bears historic draught of quality QB play likely will lead them to trading Fields and selecting the highest rated QB on their board. They have not competed for the division with Justin Fields in the three seasons he's been there (He's won a total of 9 football games over three seasons with two games remaining this year). They have weapons with Herbert, DJ Moore, Kmet. DJ Moore and Kmet are top-10 at their position when with a pocket passing QB.
The opportunity to re-position their team in this upcoming draft, that is already super solid on defense, is too much to pass up. Fields is very talented and I don't root against him, but the truth is they haven't remotely competed in their division since he's been there and it doesn't matter if he has 3x Jerry Rice's in their prime out there with him if Justin doesn't want to sit in the pocket or at least buy time like Lamar, Pat, Jalen do for their receivers to get open. A ton of Bears fans have his back, but it would almost be irresponsible to not draft the top QB coming out this year imo. The Bears are loaded with draft picks.
The draft capital they have with or without Fields being traded is a massive haul that they can use to recruit any coach to sign with them if they want to move on from Eberflus. I initially thought earlier this year that they should move on from their HC, but he has their defense playing great and he's adjusted their scheme to match Fields' skill set this year. I'd trade Fields and let Eberflus pick the guy he wants out of the draft.
Note DJ was hurt on his first catch and was a deco the entire game, Kmet got hurt on the bootleg across field catch... way before your 1030 play.
Time to move on with Caleb Williams.
JF1 is the guy! Get some weapons, pull the popwarner play book from Luke and things will be better!
It’s hard to call plays for a QB that can’t complete a simple slant.
@@santaclause3487and can't throw between the numbers unless he is out of the pocket 😂
@@christopherharris3229 exactly. Idk why he has to take 2 secs to los up every throw.
Nope!
My opinion keep fields. If you don’t draft Mhj get Washington and lsu WR
Good stuff as always by Tim Jenkins! But, this breakdown is incomplete without a signature YAWN by Tim 😂
Justin Fields has never had a Roster, HC, OC that allowed him to win consistently since arriving in Chicago. Also Tim could you address the false narrative that Justin cannot read defenses?
That 1-2 on the first play looks like the play design... Herbert dragged across... if it were a plant and go like you suggest then Herberts release would have been different and probably would have had to go behind JF. I wouldn't say JF was late, I would say it's a bad designed play. Sorry will only subscribe on RUclips and am not interested in Patreon.
lol Twitter is saying you are being paid to promote Fields
Jenkins is elite
I hate to see the bad footwork (it wasn’t a problem until Getsy showed up)
Caleb gone look like a star every week on this and all other channels
I think Caleb Williams has been chosen by the elites he light skin with a soft feminism personality just the way they like it they already trying make a star out of him. I don't think CW belongs here though let his hometown Washington draft him build around fields.
@@RoseBall-cv1bs bro yall are so fucking corny
The Bears aren't a QB away from winning a Superbowl. There are so many holes that need to be filled. I think they will be better if they pass on Caleb and get more depth with Fields as QB1.
The pick was because the D knew DJ was a decoy by that point of the game, his CB drop back for the pick and Herbert didn't attack the ball, kept fading.
CALEB KNOWS Wide Receiver, O-Line, Edge & D-Line are the Bears positions of need, NOT QUARTERBACK!
That's why he's "liking" tweets about the Bears shouldn't draft him.
Fields just isn't that good.
35 yrd game, you want him to throw to QJ that has missed more balls than Stevie Wonder in the batters box... I wouldn't have thrown that either. DJ was a decoy.. I didn't see anyone else open.
@1:35 ..Oh my goodness... Getsy has the X wr and slot wr on LEFT side RUNNING TO THE SAME AREA. 😡
NOW when Fields decides to avoid that area some ppl say "he's holding the ball" SMH
The 1st play he was not open....it didn't matter
What had Fields done to deserve the team to get rid of him?
Nothing. Bears fans are acting like they needed to win a super bowl this season when in reality, this season was all about evaluation. Fans also leave out that the Bears should be 9-6 right now. Coaching meltdowns led to 3 4th quarter comebacks by opposing teams in games where Fields had them up by at least 2 scores going into the 4th or in the 4th. The fact that people don't see that Getsy is an issue is crazy to me.
Rock!
Fields is clearly not a franchise quarterback. He may develop into a middle-of-the-road league-average quarterback, but he will never be an elite franchise quarterback for a Super Bowl contender. The vast majority of elite franchise quarterbacks show signs that they are capable of being an elite quarterback within the first year of being drafted. Fields has never been consistent enough to show he is capable of being an elite NFL quarterback. In Patrick Mahomes's first full year of starting, the Chiefs were 12-4 and Mahomes led them to the AFC championship game and has won two Super Bowls since. In Joe Burrow's first full year of starting, he led the Bengals to the Super Bowl and the next season to the AFC Championship game. In Jalen Hurts' second full year of starting, the Eagles were 14-1 in games he started, and he led them to the Super Bowl. In 2001, Tom Brady took over for an injured Drew Bledsoe and led them to an 11-3 record the rest of the way, the Patriots won the Super Bowl, and the Patriots were set at quarterback for 18 years! Fields is not even close to playing at the same level as any of those quarterbacks at the same time in their career.
THE LAST 10 Years of “FIRST QB TAKEN” (Bortles, Winston, Goff, Trubisky, Mayfield, Murrray, Burrow, Lawrence, Pickett, Young) account for:
- ZERO ALL PROS
- ZERO SUPER BOWLS
- 9 out of a possible 45 PRO BOWL Selections … Lol … wait, it get’s worse. That 9 with 6 QBs making it to the initial roster each year and an additional 4-6 alternate QBs named. Understand that Tyler Huntley was a Pro Bowl Alternate in 2023!
I am JF fan and i would like to see him stay in Chicago..having said that, he only has 2 flaws as a passer: he simply can not throw with anticipation and he still lacks pocket awareness which shouldn't be the case after 3 years in NFL
There are a lot of examples of the anticipation throws but they really only come to Kmet and Moore, I think it is a lack of trust in the other guys to catch it or be in the right position but that is speculation.
@@ajjk2oo4if ur a wr u wouldn’t have trust in fields throwing u the ball unless ur the first read. He’s a one read and run QB that relies on legs.
@@santaclause3487 rewatch Tim's tape. He literally shows several in this video where he threw to his second or third read. The bomb to Kmet was the 2nd or 3rd read after getting out of a collapsing pocket to make the play. A lot of the tape breakdowns show this was a great narrative last year but weak sauce this year.
1:05 A little late 😂
3:16 Nah thats called turning down wide open receiver
Yes JF1 is the man for the 🐻.. if they trade him im quitting on the team
BYE BYE
NO
I agree with you tim keep Justin
Lol. 0 chance buddy
Fields in this game: 175 passing yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, Passer Rating 71.5.
Arizona's passing defense before this game: 2nd to last in the NFL, allowing an *average* passer rating of 103.8.
Tim Jenkins: "Yeah, this game makes me think Fields should be the Bears franchise QB."
At what point are y'all going to ask yourselves: "Hey, is this guy asking me to buy my patreon videos really giving me the whole truth, or is he just telling me what I want to year?"
Do you think Josh Allen would have slid heading toward the goal line with a blocker in front.... be a football player !! That was a touchdown not a next play int. Geezus - dude still can't read the field and throw people open when they open.
He does this vs the crap teams but just is average to below average vs good teams.
Keep JF1. All the haters want to over analyze Fields although all around the league QB’s are not perfect. It’s all about the shiny new toy with some many other holes to fill. This team will never have the depth that teams like the ravens or the browns if they keep restarting a position that is working.
9-27 with Fields as a starter is not working. He has 4 wins this season and 3 of them are against horrible teams defensively.
And all the lovers love him not for his play, but because he is "their guy". Please list the things you love about him besides, upside or athleticism, which have done virtually nothing for him. I'll wait....
@@jimmymacnutrition6628 I don’t need to list how he has improved if you are watching him play without bias. I actually think he is exciting to watch along with Lamar. He needs to work on somethings but literally so will any QB they draft. Fact is the number one athlete in the draft is MJH not Caleb who by the way doesn’t want to be here.
@@jimmymacnutrition6628 what’s your point? All the teams have played “bad” teams. The packers barely beat the panthers are you riding Love?
@@Loski-g3c I figured you couldn't list anything because he has been mediocre. QBR rating went from 56 last year to 43 this year. Passer success percentage of 38 is the same. 4th quarter passer ratings all down. Running way down. So he has gone backwards from last year. When you say watching with bias I assume you mean racial bias. I go by how QBs play and would take Love,Dak, Mahomes over Fields in a heartbeat.
Bears still need an OL, I would still get MHJ if he is entering the draft, if not trade back get Alt for the LT and another Offense weapon like a true #1 WR or Bowers. The biggest must is getting rid of the coaching staff and getting someone like Harbaugh. the team is built around Harbaugh strength... In the Second or Third try to get one of those 3 tech DT out of the 6... one will prob be there. The Bears needs are LT, LG, C, WR1, DT(3tech), FS. Jenkins needs to be the RG so he can team up with Wright and they can run to the weakside.
Until the McCaskey's sell - the bears will never win another super bowl? Yes or No people!
It’s a tough decision. I think it depends on what you can get for the pick, if it’s #1. I haven’t seen these college QB’s since I only watch the NFL. From what I hear, Williams hasnt had that great of a year and Maye hasn’t blown the doors off either. If you can trade down and get Marvin, I’d do it. If not, I’d draft a QB. Fields can be elite if he would just throw the ball a tad earlier sometimes. I think you can win with him and I’d love to see a coordinator make an offense that completely suits him.
It’s easy. Wtf is foelds going to do with Harrison and moore? He can’t even complete a slant pass.
Williams is amazing. Won heisman as a true sophomore, he didn’t have a bad year his team just sucks besides him.
College football is way tougher now compared to 3 years ago cause of all the transfer Covid super seniors. Dudes are playing until 25 now
Unfortunately I think he'll need another 2 years to fix that clock.
People don't understand how a bad oline changes a QBs mental clock
@@santaclause3487Williams is literally 0-5 and 2-7 in high stake games or against top 10 defenses. He does the same shit as fields without his athleticism. Go watch some high lights it's literally justin fields 2.0 but the guy is 5 11(another red flag he's lied about his height) dude is no where near 6 1 🤣🤣
Just trade jf and I'll be happy. Dude is bad in 4Q
Any PRO Fields comments should be ignored. THE NFL worst QB in the 4th Q, despite having a top 10 O line. The guy cannot read zone to save a life
He’s a bust. This was the no excuses year and there are still excuses. He can’t read a defense or anticipate throws. All these Bears spent 3 years convincing themselves he was the savior and refuse to stomach the thought that he just sucks. It’s amazing that a franchise that complains about always having mediocre QB play wants to continue on with a mediocre QB. Hilarious.
Yes JF1 is it.
Fields is 100% gone.
You are garbage lmao fields is a good qb he may not be perfect but hes shown improvement. Caleb doesnt want the bears maye could be decent but trading down is in my opinion the best choice and trying to grab nabors
Keep JF1. Trade top pick for more capital and picks, build around Fields.
I think Caleb Williams has been chosen by the elites he light skin with a soft feminism personality just the way they like it they already trying make a star out of him. I don't think CW belongs in Chicago though let his hometown Washington draft him.
Half of a bad play?!? I had to dislike this video for making it click bait for your patreon. Just get us there for quality content. You don’t have to be greasy about it.
First!