Why Poison is even Worse than You Think
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Unless you use it on a player.
Then its amazing for the dm
Mmmmmm imp go brrrrrr
I came here to say exactly this.
Warforged players in tears without that immunity
@@shadow-faye and my evil snek children
@@shadow-faye yuan ti as well
I love the clip from diggy diggy hole that plays when discussing dwarves, thank you for this video. If I were to try to balance poison, I would give some of the spells/poisons the ability to deal acid damage or poison damage when cast by a character with elemental adept/made for this purpose by a character with the poisoner feat against creatures with immunity. Gives a nice way to sidestep the immunity without removing it altogether.
Right
Dang it I thought I was gonna be the only one who saw the diggy diggy hole
I am a Dwarf and I'm diging a hole, diging a hole! Diggy Diggy hole!
Beat me too it
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I've had this problem come up before. I just decided that at my tables a good portion of those 200+ just get poison resistance and not immunity
Yeah I honestly don't understand why most of the Fiends have immunity to poison. Like okay some of them for sure make sense but for the most part they should have no more than just resistance. Give poison some love, all those gods and monsters in ancient mythology didn't die to poisons just for it to be laughed at in games today
@@TheElectrikCow Because they live in hell and they technically are not alive in the traditional sense they are a soul so technically they cannot be poisoned or if they are poisoned by something it’s gonna have to be something really fucking nasty
@@TheElectrikCow WotC are afraid to give the player the power to be resourceful without spells. They ARE called WIZARDS of the coast and not fighters of the coast for a reason.
@@charlottewalnut3118 They are souls given physical form, physical forms are subject to poison like anyone else. Sure they don't just perma die, their souls are released and sent back to the hells, but still.
@@colddorito Yet Poison based spells exist... I wanted to make a viper themed character but now I'm not so sure.
I personally have the poisoner feat also change immunity to resistance, so resistance is gone, and immunity is half as effective, just to help out my one player who really wanted to do poison stuff
I remember making a poisoner build, and quickly realising it’s basically useless for 90% of fights past level 3.
Then my DM let me swap out damage types - any elemental for the same production cost, increased for necrotic/radiant, and no force/psychic.
I have a good DM.
Shit that "swapping out damage types" is a fire idea for a prisoner build... Though ig that kinda makes it more an offensive alchemist type build? Either way I love this!
Poison damage is dumb anyways tbh. Try describing poison damage compared to all the other damage types, it just doesn't have the same range of descriptions.
It really should just be acid/necrotic damage. Acid for the violent poisons that burn and melt your insides, and necrotic for the silent ones that slowly turn off and kill your organs.
Still doesnt become overpowered to undead or venomous creatures since theyre usually immune/resistant to necrotic/acid damage anyways.
@@OmegaTrooper1 Well its not poison when you use it to attack, its venom.
And venoms have a wide range of factors, some which really do resemble acid and others that simply put the heart into cardiac arrest.
so i wanted to ask that i searched up d and d and it showed it is a board game ,so is it really a board game or is there a video game version of it?
@@sandipansaha001 Dungeons & Dragons is a tabletop RPG where a Dungeon Master facilitates an adventure for however many players are at the table. 5th Edition is currently the newest playset and its still several years old.
You can however play many video games which are built upon the core rules of current and older playsets.
Baldurs Gate 1, 2, and 3 and Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous are probably the most famous ones.
I allowed my players to use the poisoner's feat with oils, which are similar to poison but with different elements.
Great house rule
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how to screw up with lightning damage last second for your party roll a nat 20 plus three then rolls perfect damage and it turns out they heal from lightning
That's why my homebrew monsters don't have resistance or immunity and sometimes even vulnerability to poison
How bout you just homebrew some poisons that ignore immunity to poison and just gives the creature a saving throw whit advantage, so the creature still has some advantage while having poison immunity and the poisoner is actually able to do something
Seems like this could be avoided by rewriting the feet to make it where it ignores one step of resistance. This way, resistance becomes normal, normal becomes double, and Immunity just becomes resistance. Add in an addendum to Grant disadvantage to anyone saving it to cancel out advantage, and then it would be somewhat workable.
I think making it double for normal may be too powerful but I do agree with having it bring them down a stage of “resistance” good idea.
It feels similar to the video game way of doing things. Make enemies immune, but make it a bitch for players to deal with when they’re inflicted lol.
Like radiation in Fallout 4? When I go into VATS with the Awareness perk, pretty much everything is immune to radiation, and while that’s great when it’s my companions being immune so they don’t keel over in the glowing sea every five minutes, it’s not so great when you’re trying to use the gamma gun or radium rifle as a viable weapon (this is actually why I don’t use either of those weapons)
On a related note, I found a legendary radium rifle once. The legendary effect? +15% damage to ghouls. Which regain health when there’s radiation. On a weapon that does radiation damage.
@@heartofthewild680 you found the ghoul healer.
Its almost like they went, "Hm, no one likes poison...so lets just give EVERYTHING immunity to it..." than there is that ONE guy in the group going, "But poison is a staple for assassins." Which meant they had to groan and go, "Fiiine, we'll have a feat to help with that..." which causes the guy to nod for a moment than go, "Wait, what about the things that are immune?" and only the crickets respond to him...
It's almost like D&D is a badly designed game compared to other tavletop rpgs 🤔
I imagine in Wizards Of The Coast HQ someome thought "well yeah, too much work to think of viable rules for poison to work, just make it useless". And so they did.
Well considering 3.5 had multiple kinds of poison that did different things and more potent the poison the higher DC save to resist it. Plus using poison was considered a evil act. So book of exalted deeds created a good version. Of poison to use against evil creatures.
Here's a solve for that:
Allow your players to suddenly have developed a new poison type, that nothing is immune against. You could turn resistance to nothing and immunity to resistance. And the feat would then cancel that out. If they take it
Holy shit, a Diggy-Diggy-Hole reference. I never thought I'd see someone use it.
I’ve always liked “immune to poison from creatures with a lower CR” as a compromise. That way, you can account for varying potencies of poison for gameplay, and it’s also realistic. Like, a yuan-ti abomination would laugh off a scorpion sting, but a sting from a purple worm would put out a greater volume and potency of poison than could be resisted.
How's this work with PCs and poison damage?
Maybe you'll enjoy D&D 1e, where poisons are save or DIE! That makes venomous creatures rightfully terrifying.
Or 3.xe where they deal ability damage, spell resistince damage, Essentia damage, sleep, paralyzes, and some other stuff
Me with my poisoner grung:
I’ll pretend I didn’t see that
Honestly the use of poison would just be only towards political assassinations. What would be interesting is if the players with the most knowledge of poison would use that knowledge to track the source of where it is and find the assassin who use it
My DM keeps forgetting that I am immune to poisons, so they keep trying to take me out with poison effects.
🎶 I am a dwarf and I’m digging a hole, Diggy Diggy hole, Diging a hole🎶
I absolutely LOVE the fact that you used the background video for "Diggy Diggy Hole" when talkin' about dwarfs! Legit, such a good song/vid.
Me and my dm made it so that, since I play a poisen focused character, poisen immunity gets downgraded to poisen resistance if I spend additional time to make stronger poisen than normal.
That's a wise choice.
I read poseidon and was confused for a good few seconds
Ironically I just finished a campaign where poisoning the boss actually helped in beating it
There goes my idea of a spider character who runs an underground poison store and uses his product in combat
I thought this was going to be a video talking about how annoying the poison damage type is.
I was surprised and pleasantly educated. Thank you.
Me realizing Poison immunity is to monsters the same way Dark vision is to characters
The only way is modify the feat and add: immunity to poison become resistence
I can hear several green dragons crying in the distance
Me facing a devil with immunity to poison. Makes poison with holy water
Tbh, I get how ignoring immunity makes little sense in most occasions and can throw off balance (burning a fire elemental, forcing a DM to figure out how Lightning damage on a shambling mound works when it isn’t immune), but Poison is that one damage type that logically makes sense to ignore immunity to. There are a near incalculable number of poisons in the natural world that all have different ways of hurting you, and even the select few animals who have immunity to poison (say Mongooses) only have immunity to certain types of poison.
Bypassing immunity to poison is simply developing a poison that bypasses the common methods of poison immunity, like corroding nerve cells or something.
The diggy diggy hole clip was a blast from the past lol
I mean I imagine the poisoner's *feet* would be either outright deadly or have a hypnotic effect depending on the monster
I saw the title and thought "Aside from multiple creature types being totally immune?"
Lol the way you use Diggy Diggy hole was accurate
In the start i thought this is gonna be some reallife analysis about poison heavy dissapointment followed by happiness of the video
Unless the DM allows you to apply the feat to immunities as well.
do remember when playing you can usually tell when something is immune to poison ex. Constructs and Fiends
And elementals
Jekyll aren: *trying to sell a laxative based poison* I will get as many people to the toilet as possible
Why would you try to poison a monster? Poison a politician. What level 20 politicians are you trying to poison?
I just wanna say that I previously commented on the variety of music in the background, and I appreciate the fact you took it to heart.
Love your content!
My party and I got attacked by some crocodile people and the poison damage made 3 of us roll death saves
WotC really went and said "Fuck this one type of damage in particular
One of my players really wanted to make an in-depth Poisoner using the Grim Hollow Green Reaper. So I changed the system up a little, I made it so that if he combined the Poisoner’s doses with Green Reaper’s doses, he could turn poison immunity into poison resistance.
I also have a second rule, which is when you take poison damage, you have to make a save with a DC of 1/2 the damage or become poisoned until the end of your next turn.
Reminds me of a story I heard about how a rogue that had a party try to stiff him and the DM ignored the back of the note rogue's player gave to him which ended up showing he poisoned the party trying to backstab him and it ended with him killing the rest of the party
Anyone who has played a necromancer knows this all too well.
Honestly, me and my party only ever really use poison when trying to assassinate someone
The theme in the gave flashbacks to the FUCKING OWL FROM LEGEND OF ZELDA OCARINA OF Time. You would have press the A button 50 times before accidently pressing on "could I hear that again", then having to do it all over again.
This man looks like
That one boomer thats actually cool
Comment for that algorithm juice🥤
If you think about it, a poisonous creature being immune to ALL poison makes absolutely ZERO sense, they'd be immune to their own, and maybe resistant to similar poisons at best.
I'll have to try and incorporate a house rule like that next time I DM...
Tell that to my conjuration wizard who can summon purple wurm poison at will.
I just thought of the stupidest idea ever : trowing acid at enemies
The Queen of Goldtown tried to stab me with a poison dagger (which I stole) and it only did normal damage because of my poison immunity
But if you have a campaign full of regular humans, oh boy they better watch out.
So glad this channel is getting recognized. Both on tiktok and here.
Homebrew rule I use just simply to buff some of the trash feats turns immunity to resistance. Resistance to nothing, and nothing to weakness
If you listen closely you can hear vox machina a screaming hero's feast
Home rule idea poisoner ignores poison immunity
When i run my campaign, i usually try to give the party an idea of what types of creatures they'll meet, like my current one, earth fell, they're living there in the future and there are ghosts and shadow everywhere, mainly undead, last campaign was mainly human enemies
I’m finally gonna play dnd, I’m just waiting for my DM to come up with a campaign (or buy a pre-existing one)
That’s why I modified the poisoner feat to turn immunity into resistance and have the DC increase based of wisdom or intelligence
OK In 1e DND POISON IS OP AF. Any poison will kill on failled save and even if you play the rules added a bit later on they deal between 10 and 40 damage on failed save. However , only assasins can use it without big downside of sometimes dealing urself the damage when adding it
Poison is really deadly to this guy since he hasn't touched grass in 25 years
gotta appreciate the yogscast reference
The secret to enjoying poison is to make it so that failing the saving throws on poison always put the status ailment, and full damage without status on a successful save.
Now, adjust damage accordingly.
Sometimes it's cool, for example I poisoned gigantic worm...while being inside in it
if I'm remembering correctly warforged have a poison immunity so I recommend doing a homebrew effect called "rust" basically if a warforged interacts with water (example a warforged on a sinking ship) the part that interact led with water will start to rust and render the body part useless.
That bgm making me want to find the master sword
We actually amended the poisoner feat to downgrade immunity to resistance, and that fixed it.
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I just added that you test immunity to poison as resistance, now it's not useless and you don't have to alter the stat block of the creatures
Finally a dnd player who isnt a reddit mod
I change the poisoner feat, allowing you to use infusions and acids as long as you have the components for it, infusions can add other damage types besides psychic, radiant, bludgeoning, piercing and slashing
Poisoner should treat Immunity as Resistance and Resistance and Half Resistance (aka you do 75% instead of 50% dmg rounded up)
(As flair all you can rename all Poison attacks and spells to a "Potent" version of them, for example "Poison Spray" cantrip becomes "Potent Poison Spray", a Druid's Giant Spider form's "Bite" becomes "Potent Bite")
With the pyromancer it says you can use other types of magic instead of fire if DM allows. Go poison and ride it to the end and ignore immunity to poison.
I'm gonna coat a coconut in poison and see what happens
Home brew rule i use makes it to where if something has immunity and you have an ability (elemental adept ignoring ___ resistance based on specific element you choose) the immunity is knocked down to resistance and you can still damage the target. Also poison needs an overhaul, different effects would be nice to make poisons unique
In my first ever session, the DM trolled us so bad. We walked into some old room filled with crates in the middle of the sewers, and he told us “Alright, everyone take 4d10 poison damage” (we were all level 1). Turns out he just filled the room with mimics, though he did nerf them quite a bit since we were low-level
Usually my DM works abilities that overcome resistance to some elements this way:
Sorcerer has an ability which beats Fire resistance with his spells, and against a monster that has fire immunity, that monster instead gets fire resistance against the fire attacks of the sorcerer instead of the full immunity
I expect that any Dwarf worth their beard will chug poison from its vial and said that it taste bad. Then proceed to take a swig from their own "water pouch", only for a drop to trickle down from their beard to the floor... which cause said floor to melts.
Based off of the title, I thought he was going to talk about how poison is the worst element to be hit by.
I feel like the way to fix the poisoners fear would be to allow then to treat immunity to poison instead as resistance to poison, which would make poison not useless in half of battles.
I had to watch the entire short before I could suss out whether "worst damage type" means worst to use or worst to get hit by.
Dark Souls: If it’s made of flesh it can be cheeses
That's why if you want to poison someone you need to use a glyph of warding. Enscribe it on a food item and have the trigger be swallowing the food. Then you can argue to the dm that there is no possible way a any amount of dexterity can save him from an explosion in his stomach. Can't really roll out of the way of that one. The hardest part about this is Glyphs of warding break if moved 10 feet from the casting point so you need the food already there and cast it within being noticed
Unexpected Yogcast cameo
A buff would probably be allowing the feat to poison bosses immune to poison, but with a resistance
A pitch from me to the community, change the poisoner feat to allow you to alter the type of damage your poison is doing, but it requires a certain ingredient. For example holy water or having a paladin nearby or something you can mix it in with your poison to get holy damaging poison. Other alternative ideas, fire necrotic or possibly a constitution check to see if the poison makes the creature vomit a LOT and lose a turn in combat.
This is why I would homebrew anything that lets you overcome resistance to a damage type also downgrade an immunity to a resistance. So anything that would take half damage from poison would take full damage from your poison, and anything that would be immune to poison would take half damage from your poison.
The dm in my longest lasting campaign let me buy poison throughout the campaign, I bought all kinds from the strongest to the weakest poison, didn’t use it at all the whole campaign, I didn’t have a good reason too. Then there was one dwarf who came and stayed with us and my pact wanted me to kill them, so I snuck in while he was a sleep and hit him with every kind of poison at once, and the dm didn’t even bother rolling a saving throw. Granted that was also in 3.5
I absolutely hate getting my feet poisoned
I like when poison is more of a gimmick than damage source, as paralyze, fear, hallucinations, various debuffs and stuff.
Okay, so a quick fix that might work, (I have yet to test it) is having the poisoner feat reduce poison immunity to resistance, so instead of a creature being immune to poison, they instead take half damage.
I had a poisoner rogue at my table once. I threw him a bone and allowed him to use various acids and chemicals as “poison” against monsters otherwise immune, like undead. Worked like a charm! These monsters still gave him a headache, and made him prepare much more thoroughly for encounters. He became the party’s Batman, all because of a little class flavor.
When I dm next I'm gonna change all monster aside from a select few resistant to poison rather than immune.
My big bad next campaign is a plague doctor who causes the plague rather than stopping it
I can confirm: my character tried using it countless time, and every time the enemy passed the saving throw. Even when succeding it did little damage for a few turn before the enemy succeded a saving throw (also the poisoned arrow didn't hit every time in the first place).
The worst part is that if my character had not a specific ability for that he could pouson himself while applying the poison on the weapon. 🤦
RAW a level 2 conjuration wizard can create a vial of purple worm poison.
My DM forgot my monk was immune to poison. 😁
I got my dm to allow me a copper dragonborn, to have a custom magical armor that gives me acid immunity instead of just resistance, that armor also had vial slots so i had like 10 acid vials that i could run up and smash on an enemy all at once by grappling them. It was incredibly game breaking but all of the players were so it was still fun