Thank you so much, I've been looking on how to digitize my old phyisical media. I got some rare DVD's from small productions that don't exist anymore. I can't express how great this is for me. Thank you!
The problem is that with the upscale and AI enhancement, a lot of fine details are lost! It is much better to leave the original resolution - in my opinion.
By dropping the quality a fraction before upscaling saved me hours on rendering. The amount I dropped the quality was not noticeable either, even after displaying it on 4k resolution, nor was the finished product compared to not downscaling.
@@gray-technicaltwo steps back to make 1 step forward. Don't compress at all and if you don't want long render times, don't mess with the videos original quality.
6:00 .MKV container also allows you to keep multiple audio tracks in your video. Good for concert videos which some times have lossless multichannel and stereo audiotracks.
I have no experience in this. All my TV's are 10+ years old lol. I would assume that the upscaling would be handled more like an 'in between' buffer to make older videos more smooth. This kind of 'AI Assistance' imitates 60fps off of a 20fps video by adding in 4 images between each frame. Typically these are created by blurring two images together (the first and second frame). Again, just a guess, but I have seen this technology used before and can be generated very quickly. This type of AI generation doesnt demand a ton of resources, unlike a 'creation AI' which creates images on the fly. Typically the 'creation AI' takes a very long time to generate (like I outlined in this video), and would require its own high-end processor just for that purpose. Because of the requirements, I do not see the television industry jumping on that any time soon. It is simply too early of a technology to utilize effectively.
@@gray-technical I too only have a 12 year old TV, but I'll be getting a new one soonish. I'll go from a 32" to likely a 65". It'll be a shock. 🤣 Thanks for the great video and your thoughtful response. All the best. 👍
What’s a good iso playback. I copy my blu-ray into ISO but my VLC won’t play it with menus option. My DVD copy of movies and Tv shows will play with menus option on my VLC.
VLC should play IOS images. You need to mount them like a virtual drive. In VLC Media Player on Windows, choose Media > Open File. You will get a browser-like dialog to choose the most wanted ISO image and then click the “Open” button to play the ISO file immediately.
Being a stickler for absolute best quality, the part where you convert from mkv to a slightly degraded version inside Handbrake is the one part I wonder if I can skip. Can you take the original mkv file into avclabs without downgrading the resolution? And if so, do you know how much (astornomically?) more time is added by using the original and not downgraded mkv file into avclabs? Thanks for the fascinating and informative video!!
Yes you can, but unless you have a top tier graphics card, you will be spending a lot of time with the conversion. I was testing this on a standard 8gb 480 graphics card and it took days compared to hours with handbreak first. But yes, you can absolutely go straight to the AI. The video explains how many hours each took, but if I remember correctly, a 30 minute video took 8 hours vs 4 days. Again, all circumstantial. If you are running a better graphics card then your times will greatly improve.
@@gray-technical Thanks for all the very useful and great info. I don't think I have a good graphics card at all (just a standard mac mini) but I'll need to investigate further. Cheers!
great video! just a question though; if i lower the quality from 22 to 22.5 instead of 23, will it keep more of the quality but still reduce the file size?
Upscaling dvd quality is like going 128KB music files to 320KB .. it does not improve the quality but eating up a lot more space because you are making the file bigger. The only thing upscaling does to dvd quality is scharpen the edges, some programmes allows you to change color matrix and make a picture less grainy or use saturation. That said, it's not worth the time to upscale dvd quality, what is not there you can't just add. DVD conversion is pretty straight forward in handbrake, here are my settings. resolution limit to 576p and leave optimal size on, use no cropping because your dvd / blueray player will automatically choose the right scale for playback. Use no filters other than the default. On the video tab use H.264 and constant quality, avarage bit speed of 2500 making a two pass and turbo analyze on and preset medium leaving the coding options on auto. After that use audio wich you like and subtitles if you like, for me burning in subtitles works great, default will give you the choice to select them on your device. Well that's pretty much it.
There is not really a definitive answer for that. It depends on your graphics card, the processor, the original scale, the new scale and the video itself. From my testing though, the upscaling went quicker when the AI did not have to change the image size or frames.
(to preface this: i don't know much about computers other than surface level things, I'm so sorry if this question is worded poorly) this may be a strange question but i really need some help; there's this DVD that i own it's the first out of 4 Hand Maid May DVDs and at the beginning of ONLY the first one there's this little puzzle and i need the highest quality image of the background image used in that little puzzle section. I can't find any screen recordings of it online but please believe me it exists, if you have discord i can send screenshots to show what I'm talking about. anyways, once you solve the puzzle you don't need to repeat it unless you reset the DVD. I desperately need this image but whenever i try ripping my DVD it only saves the real menu, and not the little puzzle :[ i thought that maybe i could do what you did in this video and upscale it but it just doesn't save the puzzle menu, everything else gets ripped EXCEPT THIS and it's frustrating. have you dealt with anything like this before? do you know how i could save the puzzle background image? if you don't do you know someone who can help me, please i need this image. also really great video btw!! i was able to understand it, very easy to follow thank you :]
Sorry, we do have a discord, but it is simply so other people will not take our online presence. As far as ripping goes, there are other options out there that might work. MakeMKV releases monthly updates, so I would try that first as I have had the best success out of it. When it comes to selecting what portions of the DVD you want, checkmark everything. That should grab everything off of the disc. Another option that I have used before is Roxio and DVDRipper. Both are kinda old a this point, but do work. A third option would be to play the DVD on VLC (a media viewer for the computer), increase the scale of that section to the highest possible quality, and then record that section of the DVD with the built-in VLC Recorder feature. Not exactly elegant, and also not the best option as it goes off the resolution visible on the monitor, but it IS and option. Hope that helps!
Hi, I’m having serious issues myself trying to figure this out, I have a TON of anime I want to burn to blu-ray but when I burned a few already there still blurry? I have no idea what I’m doing wrong……
Sounds like your burning software possibly putting it at a lower resolution. Ones that I have used are DVDFlick (free) and FreeMake Video Converter (free, but with a crap ton of malware installers you have to watch out for). Those have settings to allow for different quality. The higher quality the less you can cram on the disc.
@@gray-technical the software I’m using is, anymp4 . The file I have for the episode of a anime is a MKV. It’s about 226mb and when I put it into the anymp4 to burn it shows 1920-1080 but then I go test it on my TV is like, blurry persay. It’s not bad bad but it’s enough to annoy me haha. I’ll try the DVDflick so I don’t get a malware. But I am going CRAZY out of my mind with this because I have ALL the anime I want at my hands and can’t watch them in good quality……also, the burner I have is a LG 14x blu ray/16x DVD burner 3d Sata that’s in my pc. Not even Shute what resolution that can get…..for now all I want is every season of sword art online……
@@gray-technical It's logic. Most of what is out there was never shot in 4K only in 2K like a 1970's or 1980's movie done on film. They where not done in 4K so when they are released on a 4K bluray it isn't true 4K it is false 4K. I consider 4K bluray's a lie, a joke, a money scam and a tampered video quality process (especially with that blue tint). I don't support this format at all.
Thank you so much, I've been looking on how to digitize my old phyisical media. I got some rare DVD's from small productions that don't exist anymore. I can't express how great this is for me. Thank you!
Glad I could help!
The problem is that with the upscale and AI enhancement, a lot of fine details are lost! It is much better to leave the original resolution - in my opinion.
Agreed
Why do you degrade the quality of the already bad DVD by first compressing it with Handbrake and then enhancing it afterwards ...?
By dropping the quality a fraction before upscaling saved me hours on rendering. The amount I dropped the quality was not noticeable either, even after displaying it on 4k resolution, nor was the finished product compared to not downscaling.
@@gray-technicaltwo steps back to make 1 step forward. Don't compress at all and if you don't want long render times, don't mess with the videos original quality.
6:00 .MKV container also allows you to keep multiple audio tracks in your video. Good for concert videos which some times have lossless multichannel and stereo audiotracks.
That is true! I never actually used that though, so I did not feel right including it. Miss information, ja know ;)?
Excellent video, thank you sir :)
Glad I could help!
Thank you! This video was really helpful. In addition, I am also using Plex so that I can more easily access my DVD library, it's pretty cool.
Thanks! Glad to help!
its crazy how easy it is lol
@@hotdogmanful Happy to help!
Isn't upscaling handled on a lot of TVs now? Do you have experience of this and how does TV upscaling compare with this method? Thanks. 👍
I have no experience in this. All my TV's are 10+ years old lol.
I would assume that the upscaling would be handled more like an 'in between' buffer to make older videos more smooth. This kind of 'AI Assistance' imitates 60fps off of a 20fps video by adding in 4 images between each frame. Typically these are created by blurring two images together (the first and second frame).
Again, just a guess, but I have seen this technology used before and can be generated very quickly. This type of AI generation doesnt demand a ton of resources, unlike a 'creation AI' which creates images on the fly. Typically the 'creation AI' takes a very long time to generate (like I outlined in this video), and would require its own high-end processor just for that purpose.
Because of the requirements, I do not see the television industry jumping on that any time soon. It is simply too early of a technology to utilize effectively.
@@gray-technical I too only have a 12 year old TV, but I'll be getting a new one soonish. I'll go from a 32" to likely a 65". It'll be a shock. 🤣
Thanks for the great video and your thoughtful response. All the best. 👍
What’s a good iso playback. I copy my blu-ray into ISO but my VLC won’t play it with menus option. My DVD copy of movies and Tv shows will play with menus option on my VLC.
VLC should play IOS images. You need to mount them like a virtual drive.
In VLC Media Player on Windows, choose Media > Open File. You will get a browser-like dialog to choose the most wanted ISO image and then click the “Open” button to play the ISO file immediately.
Being a stickler for absolute best quality, the part where you convert from mkv to a slightly degraded version inside Handbrake is the one part I wonder if I can skip. Can you take the original mkv file into avclabs without downgrading the resolution? And if so, do you know how much (astornomically?) more time is added by using the original and not downgraded mkv file into avclabs?
Thanks for the fascinating and informative video!!
Yes you can, but unless you have a top tier graphics card, you will be spending a lot of time with the conversion. I was testing this on a standard 8gb 480 graphics card and it took days compared to hours with handbreak first.
But yes, you can absolutely go straight to the AI. The video explains how many hours each took, but if I remember correctly, a 30 minute video took 8 hours vs 4 days.
Again, all circumstantial. If you are running a better graphics card then your times will greatly improve.
@@gray-technical Thanks for all the very useful and great info. I don't think I have a good graphics card at all (just a standard mac mini) but I'll need to investigate further. Cheers!
great video! just a question though; if i lower the quality from 22 to 22.5 instead of 23, will it keep more of the quality but still reduce the file size?
Yes it would. You can probably keep it at the default quality and HandBreak will still lower the size because of the different video format.
nice video~
Thank you!
Upscaling dvd quality is like going 128KB music files to 320KB .. it does not improve the quality but eating up a lot more space because you are making the file bigger.
The only thing upscaling does to dvd quality is scharpen the edges, some programmes allows you to change color matrix and make a picture less grainy or use saturation.
That said, it's not worth the time to upscale dvd quality, what is not there you can't just add.
DVD conversion is pretty straight forward in handbrake, here are my settings.
resolution limit to 576p and leave optimal size on, use no cropping because your dvd / blueray player will automatically choose the right scale for playback.
Use no filters other than the default.
On the video tab use H.264 and constant quality, avarage bit speed of 2500 making a two pass and turbo analyze on and preset medium leaving the coding options on auto.
After that use audio wich you like and subtitles if you like, for me burning in subtitles works great, default will give you the choice to select them on your device.
Well that's pretty much it.
Why on earth would you reduce the size of 480i DVD files? They are already compressed and shrunk for the DVD.
A reduction of 8% is not noticed, and reduced my time by 10+ hours per minute. Soooo... yeah. End result was the same.
Hi, how long does it take to upscale an entire DVD movie?
There is not really a definitive answer for that. It depends on your graphics card, the processor, the original scale, the new scale and the video itself.
From my testing though, the upscaling went quicker when the AI did not have to change the image size or frames.
(to preface this: i don't know much about computers other than surface level things, I'm so sorry if this question is worded poorly) this may be a strange question but i really need some help; there's this DVD that i own it's the first out of 4 Hand Maid May DVDs and at the beginning of ONLY the first one there's this little puzzle and i need the highest quality image of the background image used in that little puzzle section. I can't find any screen recordings of it online but please believe me it exists, if you have discord i can send screenshots to show what I'm talking about. anyways, once you solve the puzzle you don't need to repeat it unless you reset the DVD. I desperately need this image but whenever i try ripping my DVD it only saves the real menu, and not the little puzzle :[ i thought that maybe i could do what you did in this video and upscale it but it just doesn't save the puzzle menu, everything else gets ripped EXCEPT THIS and it's frustrating. have you dealt with anything like this before? do you know how i could save the puzzle background image? if you don't do you know someone who can help me, please i need this image.
also really great video btw!! i was able to understand it, very easy to follow thank you :]
Sorry, we do have a discord, but it is simply so other people will not take our online presence. As far as ripping goes, there are other options out there that might work. MakeMKV releases monthly updates, so I would try that first as I have had the best success out of it. When it comes to selecting what portions of the DVD you want, checkmark everything. That should grab everything off of the disc.
Another option that I have used before is Roxio and DVDRipper. Both are kinda old a this point, but do work.
A third option would be to play the DVD on VLC (a media viewer for the computer), increase the scale of that section to the highest possible quality, and then record that section of the DVD with the built-in VLC Recorder feature. Not exactly elegant, and also not the best option as it goes off the resolution visible on the monitor, but it IS and option.
Hope that helps!
@@gray-technical very helpful, thanks so much :)
do you lose any quality when using handbrake its crazy how small it made that file :o
A little, but honestly its not enough of a difference for me to justify the time it would cost otherwise.
@@gray-technical I gotcha. Do you know of a program you could use to cut the file in parts?
Nevermind I know the answer to my own question!!
acording to cast members they will be making it so people can walk around Bates and War of the World for the aniversary coming up
I am confused, what?
@graytechnical5870 universal studios anniversary is this year so they will be allowing guests to walk around mates motel and War of the World sets.
Could this work as a way of watching content that's otherwise region restricted?
very good question, I dont know. You could always try!
Looks like the cost of using the up-scale is $600 for 120 minutes. Am I wrong?
The product I used was a stand-alone application. No additional cost. Just computing power on your own device.
video starts at 2:31
I use Topaz video, I follow those same steps but in Topaz there is a higher quality in 4k at 60 fps... there is no comparison, it is better software.
And how much does that cost??
Why not just google it in 10seconds and get the answer. Literally I just copied and pasted it and got the answer@@markkelly9095
Strange, my eyes hurt when I look at the AI enhancement side verse the original.
In their defense, AI enhanced grass is pretty hard to pull off. The cartoon comparison is much better.
Hi, I’m having serious issues myself trying to figure this out, I have a TON of anime I want to burn to blu-ray but when I burned a few already there still blurry? I have no idea what I’m doing wrong……
Sounds like your burning software possibly putting it at a lower resolution.
Ones that I have used are DVDFlick (free) and FreeMake Video Converter (free, but with a crap ton of malware installers you have to watch out for). Those have settings to allow for different quality. The higher quality the less you can cram on the disc.
@@gray-technical the software I’m using is, anymp4 . The file I have for the episode of a anime is a MKV. It’s about 226mb and when I put it into the anymp4 to burn it shows 1920-1080 but then I go test it on my TV is like, blurry persay. It’s not bad bad but it’s enough to annoy me haha. I’ll try the DVDflick so I don’t get a malware. But I am going CRAZY out of my mind with this because I have ALL the anime I want at my hands and can’t watch them in good quality……also, the burner I have is a LG 14x blu ray/16x DVD burner 3d Sata that’s in my pc. Not even Shute what resolution that can get…..for now all I want is every season of sword art online……
@@gray-technical actually would it be more clear on a DVD then bluray? Maybe I shouldn’t use bluray…..
that link gives 404 error now. .ugh.
RUclips put an extra ")" at the end of the URL. I fixed it now. Try it again.
Drop your quality to 16.5. Been using this for years and u will see no difference in quality at all
bro uses comment bots 😂😂😂
Nope, sorry to disappoint. I hand type each one ;)
8:43 It uses artificial intelligence intelligence? :P
Sure does does :)
4K bluray's are fake! You can't get 4K from a 2K source, etc.
Interesting. I will need to research this more :)
@@gray-technical It's logic. Most of what is out there was never shot in 4K only in 2K like a 1970's or 1980's movie done on film. They where not done in 4K so when they are released on a 4K bluray it isn't true 4K it is false 4K. I consider 4K bluray's a lie, a joke, a money scam and a tampered video quality process (especially with that blue tint). I don't support this format at all.