Fun Fact: the Britannic's smoking lounge was changed and made to look a bit more modern than Titanic and Olympic. They removed the slanted walls for the windows and made the room boxy then removed all the stained glass to raise the ceiling
It"s a shame that they did that because the first class smoking rooms on the Olympic and the Titanic were stunning. The visual of mother-of-pearl inlays in the mahogany were gorgeous.
The Verandah Cafe on the port side, which is connected to the Smoking Room, allowed passengers to smoke inside and the one on the starboard side didn't. As a result it was less popular among the men, but on Titanic and probably on Olympic, mothers used it as a makeshift play room for their children since the ship didn't have one. On Britannic both cafes were connected to the Smoking Room and a children's room was added on the Boat Deck opposite the Gymnasium.
Nice, I went to the Titanic Museum in Branson Missouri, and they have a beautiful replica of the grand staircase, and they named it the Million Dollar Staircase, because it literally cost a million dollars to make.
Great video Alex! Just spent a very enjoyable hour and a half exploring with you. Thank you for answering my question about how much of the ship was planned to be accessible. Can’t wait to see the engine room!
I love these videos. It's like being on an Olympic-class liner in person. I am very very impressed with the detail work. This is an invaluable research tool for any Titanic lover. The first class Smoke Room is just unbelievable. Both the real room and the room in the game. I'm watching this on my mobile and the colors are incredible.
HI ALEX THIS SO COOL FOR A OLD MAN,, 60YRS .OLD .. I LOVE THIS I NEVER SAW ANY THING LIKE THIS.. THE HALL WAYS ARE SO NARROW I LOVE THE OUT SIDE VIEW BUT IT LOOKS COLD I GUESS IT WAS LIKE WHEN IT SANK.. THE STARS AND THE SKY IS GREAT .. IT REMINDS ME OF THE MANY TIMES I WOULD BE ON THE QUEEN MARY WITH SOME ONE AT NIGHT ON THE TOP DECK SITTING IN THE CHAIRS OR BY MY SELF LOOKING AT THE SKY AND STARS AND FALLING A SLEEP FOR HOURS IT WAS PEACEFUL.. THE TITANIC HAS LOTS OF WOOD.. THANKS,,..
Happy New Year Alex! They make the megademo better and better each update. The nighttime version adds a touch of warm colours, appealing the eyes and giving a realistic antique and vintage look to the ship herself. I never get tired of the view. And there's still much more to come next update with 2nd class and the remainder of 3rd class amenities. This is incredible and amazing work from the THG devs. They are really catching up fast and strong. I am deeply impressed.
This is gorgeous. I am doing final research/editing on a Titanic novel and this gives me a very good idea of what the various locales on the ship looked like. Beautiful job, everyone! The Straus cabin is a dream. It also shows the talent of the woodworkers who did the labelling work and now, the skill of the modelers who have brought the ship to life in cyberspace. Speaking of half way nice Third-Class, my grandmum and aunt sailed to NYC from Cuxhaven on the Imperator right before WWI was declared and from pictures I I've seen, her third class accommodations were quite nice for the era. I suspect most of them were pretty nice because if the voyage in third-class was pleasant,passengers would write home and any family members who were emigrating would hopefully consider using the same line to travel. The third class on the Olympic-class ships was actually nicer than I imagined. The third-class smoking room is actually very nice for the time. No, it's not as fancy as first or second class but still very decent.
Andrews wasn't last seen in the smoking lounge more recent evidence supports that Andrews was last seen with captain Smith jumping over the bridge wing as the bridge was going under. It's reported that someone heard Smith say to Andrews (there is no use staying here anymore she is going.)
actually the boat deck also had an area for sceond class passengers as their promenade deck, it's right above the The Veranda Cafe, like near the 4th funnel
Even in the James C. movie, I always was kinda underwhelmed by the Titanics interiors and of course black and white photos of the Olympic class liners make it difficult to understand the grandeur of these ships. Hats off to THG, and hats off to Alex for taking us on a tour!
I would hope the geniuses at THG that did the graphics on this game might get approached by the movie studios to incorporate this video material into future Titanic movies. Maybe a remake of Night to Remember. The quality of these videos are TOO GOOD to go unnoticed by Hollywood.
I don't think Molly's husband was on the ship as they had separated as a couple by this point. The lights are probably turned down at night to economise on light bulbs and to encourage passengers to turn in so that stewards could tidy the public areas for the next day. Historical fun fact: as was the custom on many ships, Titanic had a Hebrew (kosher) cook who could prepare meals according to Orthodox Jewish dietary laws. For those not familiar with dietary laws for those keeping kosher, this means that meat and dairy items may not be mixed. In strict households there are separate dishes, dishrags/dispans, silverware and cooking utensils. Foods labeled pareve, such as fruits, vegetables, eggs, grains, and fish, can be served at either meat or dairy meals. If my memory serves me correctly the Titanic's Hebrew cook was also a rabbi, though I may be mistaken. Given how many Jews emigrated to the US, a kosher cook would be essential.
Stunning, she really was a Goddess of the Sea. Black and white photos of her really didn't do her justice. It is eerie that you are the only one running around, there not being any other passengers. It adds to the spookiness of the fact that you are running around inside of a ghost. She sure must have been magnificent when she was alive.
The A La Carte Restaurant is my second favorite room aboard Titanic (First being the 2nd class Library), it pains me that all the entrances to this room were completely destroyed, and we didn't have the technology to enter it until the room in the wreck was completely gone. It was so beautiful. Thank you for making this!
Hi Alex, just watched this whole video for second time round. Love your smooth walkthrough and interesting commentary. It’s like I’m strolling through the titanic with an old friend (even though we’ve never met 😛) Wondering if you would consider doing a 3rd video tour, comparing some more scenes from the ‘97 movie with actual rooms? Kind of a “titanic the movie, vs titanic in reality” tour.
@@AlextheHistorian Awesome! Can’t wait 👏🏼 …btw, I’m thinking of starting a RUclips channel… very cool how you’ve built up 20k subscribers. What would be your advice on how often to post content? Thanks!
@@mattc2094 It depends on what kind of content you make. Generally speaking, the more "fun" or "entertaining" the subject matter, the more often you'd have to post, such as anywhere from 3 times a week to every day of the week. But if you make content that is factual or educational, you can post less, like twice a week or even just once a week. I try to put out one "history" video per week, plus something a little more creative and fun to accompany it later. You won't experience a sudden boost of subscribers right away, for many people it takes months to even a full year before you surpass 200 subscribers. The best thing you can do to attract attention is a title and video thumbnail that really draw you in with curiosity, and then in the first 30 seconds of the video you must show something that hooks them in. And I can't emphasise enough not to make videos that are longer than they need to be. If it's a video about changing a lightbulb, there's no reason it should be 30 minutes long. You gotta keep to the meat of the subject, whilst still delivering something that satify's the viewers need to see "enough". That's how you build subscribers. Its a balance, its not straightforward, but eventually you'll fall into a rough schedule and that also will help with success. Good luck!
@@AlextheHistorian thanks so much for your advice Alex. Its really useful. Yes, the titles seem to make a difference. I’ve noticed some click-bate titles that are simply misleading (for example, there was one video about skeletons in titanic 😒) your titles and commentary are good. Straight-forward and genuine. We need more RUclipsrs like that🥂
Like someone else said, the small room off the maid&valet saloon was for the marconi operators and (i think) the mail clerks. Yes, the maids & valets would've shared their saloon. It would've been just like the Servants Hall and Pugs Parlor in the great houses. And in the servants hall there were fairly strict rules of decorum, which presumably would've been followed here too, for the most part.
"English Breakfast Tea", or as us in the UK and Ireland say, "Tea" ;) The A La Carte restaurant was a fully functioning private restaurant. The passengers needed to pay to use it. Father Brown went down in history as father Brown but he wasn't actually a father until later in his life. I've never heard about Molly browns husband being on board, although that would be odd. She boarded at Cherbourg, so they would never have seen each other if he did. Witness statements say Andrews was last seen helping load boats. I imagine the idea of him standing at the fireplace was copied from A Night to Remember. The garden you refer to was known as Palm Court and not a garden.
THG did acknowledge that the wheelhouse and bridge always kept the lights off at night to aid in navigation. Even the light fixtures attached to the walls on the boat deck were shaded to block light from facing the bridge.
I think the water in the pool looked like that because of the vibration of the engines maybe? Instead of a blast of air. Either way. It’s still awesome.
On your comments of Mauretania's passenger spaces, I'd like to take it a step further: I personally admire Lusitania's more lighter colors and beautiful use of sculpted Plasters over her sister. Also her barrel shaped skylights were very well done over her lounges. Lady Lucy is so underated in her interior style IMHO. People often forget as well, different countries reflected thier culture into thier ships during this time period. German and French liners for example were often overly ornate, even overwhelming at times. Lusitania, Titanic, Aquitania ect. tended to be much more muted in true Biritish style at the time. Worth mentioning if you wish to compare ships from various lines from the pre WW1 era. Loved your commentary btw!
I agree that they could've made the bathrooms more fancy. They are very plain and basic looking. The Isidors state room was absolutely gorgeous. It kinda looks like roses room on the movie
Indeed they used the design of Isador Strauss's stateroom as Rose's cabin, as well as designs from several other cabins from various levels to make Rose's cabin a kind of super suite.
Thanks so much for this walkthrough. Before the discovery of the Titanic, I got every book on the subject I could find, then Dr Ballard discovered the wreck in '85! That was BIG NEWS. When the movie came out in '97 (then EVERYONE loved the Titanic) I couldn't stop smiling, not because of the acting or the story, but because it was the first time I got to see the ship in living color! Since then, I've followed several virtual Titanic projects, this being the latest, and have explored each of the demos. I notice that some things in a previous demo aren't available now, like Scotland Road. I also notice that you got the NIGHT to work but is unavailable in my version. I'm not sure why.
It's not that I got something to work, they are constantly releasing updates to Demo 401, every time they release a update, you have to re-download it from their website. But make sure you download the right one, this isn't Demo 3, this is Demo 401. Eventually they will keep adding more spaces to it such as Scotland Road, but you'll have to keep re-downloading the Demo, because it's not automatically applied to the one you previously downloaded.
@@AlextheHistorian I have access to Scotland Road in a previous version. I always keep each build of a demo so I can do comparisons. The first demo of THaG I have is from April 2016, then version 3 from January 2020
Yeah I know you have Scotland Road in Demo 3, so do I. But what I mean is that Demo 401 was not built and released all at once like Demo 3 was. They are releasing Demo 401 piece by piece. So so far they have released Demo 401 V1.1, Demo 401 V1.2, and the latest is Demo 401 V1.3 But they won't finish releasing Demo 401 until the end of January, so you can either wait till then to get the full experience, or you can just keep re-downloading it as it gets added onto.
The detail of the Titanic is simply amazing...😲! And I also like Titanic 4D Simulator for Android. This is a real simulator in a mobile application, not as cool as Honor & Glory, but it's great for a mobile game.
Just some comments while watching this - the starboard veranda cafe was basically the non smoking section (it had no connection to the smoking room) and was reportedly used as a play room for children. The starboard cabin on A deck belonged to Father Browne (no relation to Molly Brown - her husband was not on board, in fact they had been separated since 1909). Father Browne boarded in Southampton and disembarked in Ireland. The “Gentlemen” and “Ladies” signs are the signs for the restrooms/baths (most passengers had to share, even in first class). On the subject of Titanic being considered the “most luxurious” of its time - I think many people have a mythical image of Titanic in their minds that contrasts sharply with reality. We hear the phrase that Titanic (and her sisters) were built for luxury vs speed but luxury vs speed didn’t mean fine woodwork or private cabins for third class - luxury vs speed meant the Olympic Class Liners travelled at a leisurely pace that reduced vibrations during a crossing (a problem Cunard had with Lusitania and Mauritania). (You can’t put down Titanic, the iceberg did that for you 😅🙈) We also need to remember that a lot of what we hear about Titanic’s “luxury” literally comes from marketing that was designed to lure in customers. There were only about 20 female crew members so I think the smaller saloon is for the maids. Queen Mary is my favorite ship too btw :)
I think the maids and valets saloon is not for crew members, it's for the private employees of the wealthy passengers. Which they were likely to have more maids than valets.
Wait, really? Thats a long way to walk to take a break. They'd have to go 3 decks down, and all the way to the other side of the ship. Plus they didn't have radios back then, I assume you mean telegraph operators.
@@AlextheHistorian it was less a break room and more a dining room for having main meals in. They would likely have had a break in their cabins or the other crew spaces also I meant wireless operators
Thomas Andrews and Captain Smith were last seen jumping off a the bridge when it started going under, it's unknown exactly how they died, but it's possible Smith asked if he could float on an overturned boat, but accepted his fate when he was denied
I think the lighting is spot on. 1912 light bulbs weren't all that bright. About like a modern 25-40 watt bulb. Cameron's movie kinda messed that up with over lighting.
I’m so gonna find a way to print the toilet warning sign out and put it in my bathroom warning my guests to not do anything disagreeable to the toilet, hehehe
Hi Alex, thanks for taking the time and giving us a tour. I wanted to ask, what type of PC do you recommend, or preferably the one you use for this game? I want to upgrade my computer but I don’t wanna go too crazy price wise but still be able to enjoy this like you do.
To be honest I consider my computer pretty beefy, but even this demo I can only run on medium-high settings at 1080p. Good news is, the actual game itself will be more optimized than this so it should run smoother then this demo, despite it being even more detailed. The team at THG recommends a CPU that is quad core, 16GB of RAM, a GPU capable of DX12, with 8GB of VRAM. My computer: AMD Ryzen 7 3700 CPU 32 GB RAM NVIDIA GTX-3060ti GPU w/8GB VRAM
Molly Brown's husband was never on the ship, the cabin (I think) you thought was occupied by her husband was actually occupied by Francis Browne, a Irish jesuit who took some of the only few photos onboard titanic during the voyage (at least surviving photos)
HI ALEX,, GREAT VIDEO!!! YOU KNOW YOUR SHIPS,,.. HOWS THE QUEEN MARY DOING ??? NOT TO CHANGE THIS SHOW I LOVE!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! BE SAFE AND HEALTHY.. VETERAN..
I really appreciate your doing the demo tours! I've got a reasonably beefy programmer's box, but it isn't equipped for gaming (it has a ton of ram and mirrored disk space but the video is pretty low end), so i'd never be able to run the demo myself. Are there any more recent updated Titanic demos that you could do?
Yes, this is a very old video, I actually stream the latest Titanic demo every 2 months for my channel, this is the most recent: ruclips.net/user/liveNvAzKjrRrGw?si=bxVJjzmiDOnuVrZn
@@AlextheHistorian Ah, okay, they're all over on the "Live" tab. I missed that one. Hmm, i may have to watch them all in order now! And i just broke down and dragged out my big detailed Titanic plan so i don't get lost. Speaking of which, i'm sure it's been mentioned a million times, but the two volume Titanic The Ship Magnificent set (especially the 2nd volume) is essential. But one thing i really like about this demo is the color dimension, which of course is completely lacking in the books/pictures.
I love this so much as olympic class is my most favourit but wouldn't it be so cool if they made one as detailed as this but of the Queen mary how she was before she got changed into a hotel justvto think of all the parts of the Queen mary that has changed so much
If anyone ever actually thought your name was Alex the Historian…they would be a friggin idiot or from the seventeenth century. Anyway- I do enjoy your commentary. Thanks for your videos.
They are called cowl vents. When you point them into the wind, they catch the air and force it down into the ship. When you point them away from the wind, the negative pressure sucks old air out of the ship. In later years with larger ships the cowl vents would be used in conjunction with fans that could consistently push fresh air into several rooms on specific decks.
In relation to bare steel walls and exposed pipes in the bathrooms, this was an intentional aesthetic choice - not to appear beautiful, but to show off how 'modern' Titanic was.
Don't know where thay got such detailed information from too build this. I heard the plans were lost in the blitz 2WW. The patterns in the wood are called marquetry, and inlay. Am from England never seen an English muffin. Pg tips for tea. Good vid.
Some of plans were lost in the blitz, but not all, they actually just posted a video yesterday about how they got the detailed information, it's worth a watch.
Awesome. Unfortunately I can only watch a minute of this at a time-- moving through the ship makes me completely nauseous. I've never noticed that from games before.
Great job on the video. Just one tiny thing that stood out to me was your pronunciation of "valet". It's pronounced "val-ay" not "val-et". I'm sure it's just because you've never heard it before.
You're the second person today to mention that 😅. Actually "val-et" is also correct. Both pronunciations are listed in the Oxford English Dictionary. People tend to refer to a personal servant as a "Val-et" and they refer to the guy who parks your car as "Val-ay". Though it's a matter of personal or cultural preference and the two pronunciations are interchangeable just like the word "either". [Ee-thur, eye-thur]
Yes, but this was salt water taken from the Atlantic ocean. Many ocean liners had salt water pools and they all appeared slightly green from the ocean water. That's why I would assume Titanic's would be no different.
Thats actually a very good question. The team who are developing the game are working with leading experts and historians to faithfully recreate Titanic to the best of their ability. They have traveled around the world to document artifacts, and have even taken notes of the characteristics and dimensions of remaining items from Titanic's identical sister Olympic. So the finished game will be THE MOST accurate anyone has gotten to the real thing. That being said this demo features some areas never designed to be seen by the public, but at the last minute they included them in the demo, flaws and all. And some flaws are intentionally put into the demo so copy-cats can't develope a game before this team finishes their accurate game. But I myself am confident in saying this current demo is STILL the closest you can get to the real thing until the finished game comes out.
@@AlextheHistorian oh. That is so impressive! Thankyou. I recently watched the text documentary on the messages sent and received the night of the sinking. It’s heart wrenching and captivating. Love this opportunity to view her in all her glory aswell. Thanks again.
No offense but I just don't understand how you could claim Mauritania or Lusitania to be any more luxurious than Titanic as a whole. Firstly because stylistic judgments are entirely subjective so the whole thing is pointless in the first place. Secondly, because your arguments are marred in factual inaccuracies and disregard for auxiliary details. While the first-class cabins on titanic aren't all like the Strauss or parlor suites, they often had private bathrooms with tubs and wardrobes whereas Lusitania and Mauritania only had such accommodations in their most expensive parlor and regal suites (deck plans for titanic can be found here [1]). Also, while titanic did have variations of 6, 8, or 10 beds for third class on G deck, the overwhelming majority of them were either 2 or 4 person rooms and generally did not have bare steel walls but white wooden paneling. This was similar to Lusitania and Mauritania's third-class cabins at the time, which featured 2 to 4 person rooms (not private cabins) with the difference being metal bars for bed frames compared to Titanic's wooden counterparts. In fact, Mauritania had more third-class capacity than Titanic, and deck plans show that it did have group rooms of 6 to 8 beds in lower decks just like Titanic. Even a few second-class rooms had 6 beds (most of them had 4 whereas Titanic's second class only ever had 2 beds per room) and many first-class cabins in Mauritania had 3 beds in one room (source: [2]). Additionally, Mauritania's third-class general rooms, while similar to Titanic’s at a glance, had long dining style tables with bare wood decking compared to Titanic's combination of long benches, square tables with chairs around, and linoleum tiled flooring. Side-note: The second-class dining rooms in Mauritania and Lusitania just seem claustrophobic compared to the Olympic class. Titanic’s deck plans are also much more sensible and less confusing than Lucy and Mauritania since, on those ships, the veranda is looking straight out at a bunch of dome casings and the walls of the second class lounge, and its the same story with the poop deck which gets half its view obscured by a wall of second class accommodation and public spaces (refer to plans mentioned earlier). Mauritania and Lusitania also generally have more cluttered, asymmetrical, smaller decks that are just less pleasing to the eye (probably because any obstructions are painted a dark color which stands out against the decking). This video should give you an idea of what walking the decks on those ships was like [3]. Finally, the Olympic class had various amenities that weren't present at all in their Cunard equivalents, such as the swimming bath, gymnasium, palm courts, and Turkish baths. The only places where the Titanic is objectively beaten is in the third class dining room (Titanic’s looks like shit), the second class staircase, the third class promenade (though the Olympic class has something similar in Scotland road), and the first-class dining saloon but that's hardly enough to claim it wasn't the most luxurious ocean liner in 1912 overall (though I generally do prefer the color scheme and tiling on Titanic's first-class dining room as opposed to the other two's wooden flooring with carpets and I despise those gilded wrought iron fences on the second floor it makes the room look cheaply made). If you have any counterpoints id love to debate since I love old ocean liners and this is fun for me. *I believe the reason my comment keeps getting deleted is that it contained links so If you want I can like email the links that were in the original post and are replaced with [#] here.
To be honest I don't have the energy for a typed-up debate. I think it comes down to personal preference. The two ships had trade-offs. While I think Mauritania had nicer looking 3rd class spaces and private rooms, they were definitely smaller. While Titanic offered more space, the spaces were lacking in the kind of luxury or style other ships had. You say that you still believe Titanic was the most luxurious ocean liner in 1912, well that depends, some people think luxury is the physical aesthetic, I however measure luxury on a service level. In terms of beauty, I mean take a look at the first class spaces on SS Kronprinz Wilhelm...they are WAY nicer looking than anything on Titanic by far...I mean that ship is hardly distinguishable from a royal palace. Anyway, I'm actually in the middle of making a video about this very subject, about why Titanic really wasn't ground-breaking in 1912. It was a beautiful ship, but aside from its size, I personally wouldn't award it any title that has the word "most" in it.
@@AlextheHistorian May I ask where you're getting the idea that Mauritania had private rooms for steerage? This isn't shown in any deck plans. Making the service argument is also difficult since Titanic had more amenities and activities for their first-class passengers than other liners because of its size (even though some werent as lavishly decorated, its better that they exist and not be luxurious than to not exist at all, ex. the gymnasium). Though I agree that the SS Kronprince Wilhelm has much nicer public spaces, it's hard to judge the experience of being on it without knowing about the cabins (which also have bunks for first-class). The same can be said about Titanic. You've said before that not all cabins look like the parlor suites but most cabins don't look like the small one you used as an example in that argument. Just look at the first-class staterooms in the deck plans on B or C deck. There's a reason titanichg haven't released any of those rooms yet. If they were like the one you showed earlier they would be able to copy and paste it around the ship with minor alterations but every stateroom has a different style.
Again the ships had trade-offs. I dont have the energy to haul out all my research just for a comment section debate, just wait for the video where I will present my argument. I will show images to make my case.
@@AlextheHistorian White Star Line believed that showing pipes and steel beams in passenger compartments were good for buisness, pipes to prove that steerage had proper heating and plumbing, and steel to show that they were booked in a strong, secure vessel, they opposed too much panels in steerage since they beleived that it "covered up" evidence of it being less luxurious then it seemed, that is what I've heard, I may be wrong.
Fun Fact: the Britannic's smoking lounge was changed and made to look a bit more modern than Titanic and Olympic. They removed the slanted walls for the windows and made the room boxy then removed all the stained glass to raise the ceiling
It"s a shame that they did that because the first class smoking rooms on the Olympic and the Titanic were stunning. The visual of mother-of-pearl inlays in the mahogany were gorgeous.
The Verandah Cafe on the port side, which is connected to the Smoking Room, allowed passengers to smoke inside and the one on the starboard side didn't. As a result it was less popular among the men, but on Titanic and probably on Olympic, mothers used it as a makeshift play room for their children since the ship didn't have one. On Britannic both cafes were connected to the Smoking Room and a children's room was added on the Boat Deck opposite the Gymnasium.
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A smoking and non-smoking Palm Court makes sense, since ladies didn't smoke (at least in public). I hadn't thought of that but it does make sense.
Nice, I went to the Titanic Museum in Branson Missouri, and they have a beautiful replica of the grand staircase, and they named it the Million Dollar Staircase, because it literally cost a million dollars to make.
Was their staircase in the museum accurate? The one in the Belfast "attraction" isn't in any way accurate ironically.
Great video Alex! Just spent a very enjoyable hour and a half exploring with you. Thank you for answering my question about how much of the ship was planned to be accessible. Can’t wait to see the engine room!
Yeah when the engine room shows up in the final game, they said the engines might be running!
@@AlextheHistorian I sure hope so!
I love these videos. It's like being on an Olympic-class liner in person. I am very very impressed with the detail work. This is an invaluable research tool for any Titanic lover.
The first class Smoke Room is just unbelievable. Both the real room and the room in the game. I'm watching this on my mobile and the colors are incredible.
52:11 That's a column that supports the cargo crane above on the poop deck, that's why it's beefier than the others.
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HI ALEX THIS SO COOL FOR A OLD MAN,, 60YRS .OLD .. I LOVE THIS I NEVER SAW ANY THING LIKE THIS.. THE HALL WAYS ARE SO NARROW I LOVE THE OUT SIDE VIEW BUT IT LOOKS COLD I GUESS IT WAS LIKE WHEN IT SANK.. THE STARS AND THE SKY IS GREAT .. IT REMINDS ME OF THE MANY TIMES I WOULD BE ON THE QUEEN MARY WITH SOME ONE AT NIGHT ON THE TOP DECK SITTING IN THE CHAIRS OR BY MY SELF LOOKING AT THE SKY AND STARS AND FALLING A SLEEP FOR HOURS IT WAS PEACEFUL.. THE TITANIC HAS LOTS OF WOOD.. THANKS,,..
Happy New Year Alex!
They make the megademo better and better each update. The nighttime version adds a touch of warm colours, appealing the eyes and giving a realistic antique and vintage look to the ship herself.
I never get tired of the view. And there's still much more to come next update with 2nd class and the remainder of 3rd class amenities. This is incredible and amazing work from the THG devs. They are really catching up fast and strong. I am deeply impressed.
This is gorgeous. I am doing final research/editing on a Titanic novel and this gives me a very good idea of what the various locales on the ship looked like. Beautiful job, everyone!
The Straus cabin is a dream. It also shows the talent of the woodworkers who did the labelling work and now, the skill of the modelers who have brought the ship to life in cyberspace.
Speaking of half way nice Third-Class, my grandmum and aunt sailed to NYC from Cuxhaven on the Imperator right before WWI was declared and from pictures I I've seen, her third class accommodations were quite nice for the era. I suspect most of them were pretty nice because if the voyage in third-class was pleasant,passengers would write home and any family members who were emigrating would hopefully consider using the same line to travel.
The third class on the Olympic-class ships was actually nicer than I imagined. The third-class smoking room is actually very nice for the time. No, it's not as fancy as first or second class but still very decent.
Incredible! I was just thinking that a lot of the virtual plans are just too bright and this night view popped up. Makes it look very realistic.
Andrews wasn't last seen in the smoking lounge more recent evidence supports that Andrews was last seen with captain Smith jumping over the bridge wing as the bridge was going under. It's reported that someone heard Smith say to Andrews (there is no use staying here anymore she is going.)
actually the boat deck also had an area for sceond class passengers as their promenade deck, it's right above the
The Veranda Cafe, like near the 4th funnel
Even in the James C. movie, I always was kinda underwhelmed by the Titanics interiors and of course black and white photos of the Olympic class liners make it difficult to understand the grandeur of these ships. Hats off to THG, and hats off to Alex for taking us on a tour!
I would hope the geniuses at THG that did the graphics on this game might get approached by the movie studios to incorporate this video material into future Titanic movies. Maybe a remake of Night to Remember.
The quality of these videos are TOO GOOD to go unnoticed by Hollywood.
1:02:31 Matt, one of the interior modelers, said this is just a glitch where the windows fail to load in.
I don't think Molly's husband was on the ship as they had separated as a couple by this point.
The lights are probably turned down at night to economise on light bulbs and to encourage passengers to turn in so that stewards could tidy the public areas for the next day.
Historical fun fact: as was the custom on many ships, Titanic had a Hebrew (kosher) cook who could prepare meals according to Orthodox Jewish dietary laws. For those not familiar with dietary laws for those keeping kosher, this means that meat and dairy items may not be mixed. In strict households there are separate dishes, dishrags/dispans, silverware and cooking utensils. Foods labeled pareve, such as fruits, vegetables, eggs, grains, and fish, can be served at either meat or dairy meals. If my memory serves me correctly the Titanic's Hebrew cook was also a rabbi, though I may be mistaken. Given how many Jews emigrated to the US, a kosher cook would be essential.
Keep re-visiting this gem. Love it.
Stunning, she really was a Goddess of the Sea. Black and white photos of her really didn't do her justice. It is eerie that you are the only one running around, there not being any other passengers. It adds to the spookiness of the fact that you are running around inside of a ghost. She sure must have been magnificent when she was alive.
Mr. Brown was not on the titanic. I believe Molly and him had separated or were divorced by the time she boarded titanic.
Imagine if you pop in a scary entity to roam the ship. The perfect horror game setting, alone on Titanic in all those tight corridors and corners.
That sounds like something that would make me crap myself lol
The virtual videos are sick! Would love to see you test certain simulators for other historical subjects👍🏻
I plan to also record myself playing Railroads Online.
Andrew was last scene jumping off the bridge of Titanic along with the Captain, just before the final plunge
They jumped off the bridge? Oh wow, I didn't know that
The A La Carte Restaurant is my second favorite room aboard Titanic (First being the 2nd class Library), it pains me that all the entrances to this room were completely destroyed, and we didn't have the technology to enter it until the room in the wreck was completely gone. It was so beautiful. Thank you for making this!
One of the veranda cafes was used as a nursery for children
Thanks!
Hey Dave. That's interesting. Do you have a source for this please?
I love this video thanks for talking over it and explaining what things are so I don’t have to constantly look at deckplans lol
Hi Alex, just watched this whole video for second time round. Love your smooth walkthrough and interesting commentary. It’s like I’m strolling through the titanic with an old friend (even though we’ve never met 😛) Wondering if you would consider doing a 3rd video tour, comparing some more scenes from the ‘97 movie with actual rooms? Kind of a “titanic the movie, vs titanic in reality” tour.
Thats a good idea, I think I can do that!
@@AlextheHistorian Awesome! Can’t wait 👏🏼 …btw, I’m thinking of starting a RUclips channel… very cool how you’ve built up 20k subscribers. What would be your advice on how often to post content? Thanks!
@@mattc2094 It depends on what kind of content you make. Generally speaking, the more "fun" or "entertaining" the subject matter, the more often you'd have to post, such as anywhere from 3 times a week to every day of the week. But if you make content that is factual or educational, you can post less, like twice a week or even just once a week. I try to put out one "history" video per week, plus something a little more creative and fun to accompany it later. You won't experience a sudden boost of subscribers right away, for many people it takes months to even a full year before you surpass 200 subscribers. The best thing you can do to attract attention is a title and video thumbnail that really draw you in with curiosity, and then in the first 30 seconds of the video you must show something that hooks them in. And I can't emphasise enough not to make videos that are longer than they need to be. If it's a video about changing a lightbulb, there's no reason it should be 30 minutes long. You gotta keep to the meat of the subject, whilst still delivering something that satify's the viewers need to see "enough". That's how you build subscribers. Its a balance, its not straightforward, but eventually you'll fall into a rough schedule and that also will help with success. Good luck!
@@AlextheHistorian thanks so much for your advice Alex. Its really useful. Yes, the titles seem to make a difference. I’ve noticed some click-bate titles that are simply misleading (for example, there was one video about skeletons in titanic 😒) your titles and commentary are good. Straight-forward and genuine. We need more RUclipsrs like that🥂
Like someone else said, the small room off the maid&valet saloon was for the marconi operators and (i think) the mail clerks.
Yes, the maids & valets would've shared their saloon. It would've been just like the Servants Hall and Pugs Parlor in the great houses. And in the servants hall there were fairly strict rules of decorum, which presumably would've been followed here too, for the most part.
"English Breakfast Tea", or as us in the UK and Ireland say, "Tea" ;) The A La Carte restaurant was a fully functioning private restaurant. The passengers needed to pay to use it. Father Brown went down in history as father Brown but he wasn't actually a father until later in his life. I've never heard about Molly browns husband being on board, although that would be odd. She boarded at Cherbourg, so they would never have seen each other if he did. Witness statements say Andrews was last seen helping load boats. I imagine the idea of him standing at the fireplace was copied from A Night to Remember. The garden you refer to was known as Palm Court and not a garden.
THG did acknowledge that the wheelhouse and bridge always kept the lights off at night to aid in navigation. Even the light fixtures attached to the walls on the boat deck were shaded to block light from facing the bridge.
I think the water in the pool looked like that because of the vibration of the engines maybe? Instead of a blast of air. Either way. It’s still awesome.
On your comments of Mauretania's passenger spaces, I'd like to take it a step further: I personally admire Lusitania's more lighter colors and beautiful use of sculpted Plasters over her sister.
Also her barrel shaped skylights were very well done over her lounges. Lady Lucy is so underated in her interior style IMHO.
People often forget as well, different countries reflected thier culture into thier ships during this time period.
German and French liners for example were often overly ornate, even overwhelming at times.
Lusitania, Titanic, Aquitania ect. tended to be much more muted in true Biritish style at the time.
Worth mentioning if you wish to compare ships from various lines from the pre WW1 era.
Loved your commentary btw!
You might like Twinings english breakfast extra strong 👌🏼 ….a beautiful and slightly spooky ambience in the night mode
Thats what I was drinking, Twinings English Breakfast tea, prepared extra strong.
I agree that they could've made the bathrooms more fancy. They are very plain and basic looking. The Isidors state room was absolutely gorgeous. It kinda looks like roses room on the movie
Indeed they used the design of Isador Strauss's stateroom as Rose's cabin, as well as designs from several other cabins from various levels to make Rose's cabin a kind of super suite.
Thanks so much for this walkthrough. Before the discovery of the Titanic, I got every book on the subject I could find, then Dr Ballard discovered the wreck in '85! That was BIG NEWS. When the movie came out in '97 (then EVERYONE loved the Titanic) I couldn't stop smiling, not because of the acting or the story, but because it was the first time I got to see the ship in living color! Since then, I've followed several virtual Titanic projects, this being the latest, and have explored each of the demos. I notice that some things in a previous demo aren't available now, like Scotland Road. I also notice that you got the NIGHT to work but is unavailable in my version. I'm not sure why.
It's not that I got something to work, they are constantly releasing updates to Demo 401, every time they release a update, you have to re-download it from their website. But make sure you download the right one, this isn't Demo 3, this is Demo 401. Eventually they will keep adding more spaces to it such as Scotland Road, but you'll have to keep re-downloading the Demo, because it's not automatically applied to the one you previously downloaded.
@@AlextheHistorian I have access to Scotland Road in a previous version. I always keep each build of a demo so I can do comparisons. The first demo of THaG I have is from April 2016, then version 3 from January 2020
Yeah I know you have Scotland Road in Demo 3, so do I. But what I mean is that Demo 401 was not built and released all at once like Demo 3 was. They are releasing Demo 401 piece by piece. So so far they have released Demo 401 V1.1, Demo 401 V1.2, and the latest is Demo 401 V1.3
But they won't finish releasing Demo 401 until the end of January, so you can either wait till then to get the full experience, or you can just keep re-downloading it as it gets added onto.
@@AlextheHistorian OK. Thanks for the info :)
It really looks great, it looks so real. Alex do you know how many artists have worked on the graphics. Thanks, Alex, for your time and work.....
I dont know
The detail of the Titanic is simply amazing...😲! And I also like Titanic 4D Simulator for Android. This is a real simulator in a mobile application, not as cool as Honor & Glory, but it's great for a mobile game.
Oh FYI you missed the hospital its on C deck aft corridor starboard side just before the open door to the 2nd class promenade
Just some comments while watching this - the starboard veranda cafe was basically the non smoking section (it had no connection to the smoking room) and was reportedly used as a play room for children.
The starboard cabin on A deck belonged to Father Browne (no relation to Molly Brown - her husband was not on board, in fact they had been separated since 1909). Father Browne boarded in Southampton and disembarked in Ireland.
The “Gentlemen” and “Ladies” signs are the signs for the restrooms/baths (most passengers had to share, even in first class).
On the subject of Titanic being considered the “most luxurious” of its time - I think many people have a mythical image of Titanic in their minds that contrasts sharply with reality.
We hear the phrase that Titanic (and her sisters) were built for luxury vs speed but luxury vs speed didn’t mean fine woodwork or private cabins for third class - luxury vs speed meant the Olympic Class Liners travelled at a leisurely pace that reduced vibrations during a crossing (a problem Cunard had with Lusitania and Mauritania).
(You can’t put down Titanic, the iceberg did that for you 😅🙈)
We also need to remember that a lot of what we hear about Titanic’s “luxury” literally comes from marketing that was designed to lure in customers.
There were only about 20 female crew members so I think the smaller saloon is for the maids.
Queen Mary is my favorite ship too btw :)
I think the maids and valets saloon is not for crew members, it's for the private employees of the wealthy passengers. Which they were likely to have more maids than valets.
@@AlextheHistorian the small room off the maids and valets saloon was used for radio operators
Wait, really? Thats a long way to walk to take a break. They'd have to go 3 decks down, and all the way to the other side of the ship. Plus they didn't have radios back then, I assume you mean telegraph operators.
@@AlextheHistorian it was less a break room and more a dining room for having main meals in. They would likely have had a break in their cabins or the other crew spaces also I meant wireless operators
Thomas Andrews and Captain Smith were last seen jumping off a the bridge when it started going under, it's unknown exactly how they died, but it's possible Smith asked if he could float on an overturned boat, but accepted his fate when he was denied
I think the lighting is spot on. 1912 light bulbs weren't all that bright. About like a modern 25-40 watt bulb. Cameron's movie kinda messed that up with over lighting.
Andrews was last seen on the bridge with Capt. Smith and Margaret (Molly) Brown's husband was NOT on board Titanic. They were separated.
Imagine how cool this would be in Virtual Reality? For a video game, it really looks believable.
Demo 3 is available in virtual reality. And when the actual game is completed, they will work on a VR version!
So is that still true? I downloaded the most recent demo but didn't manage to start it in VR. Seems to be a very complicated procedure
Thats because the demo is still a demo. The official Titanic Honor & Glory game does not have a completion date yet. It may be up to 3 years from now.
@@AlextheHistorian sure but you said demo 3 is available in vr. So is it or not?
Only Demo 3 is available in VR, not the newer or older demos. Just Demo 3.
Twinings is what they serve on Cunard currently!
Oh cool, I didn't know that. I'm a Cunard fan at heart, so this makes me extra happy!
I’m so gonna find a way to print the toilet warning sign out and put it in my bathroom warning my guests to not do anything disagreeable to the toilet, hehehe
Hi Alex, thanks for taking the time and giving us a tour. I wanted to ask, what type of PC do you recommend, or preferably the one you use for this game? I want to upgrade my computer but I don’t wanna go too crazy price wise but still be able to enjoy this like you do.
To be honest I consider my computer pretty beefy, but even this demo I can only run on medium-high settings at 1080p. Good news is, the actual game itself will be more optimized than this so it should run smoother then this demo, despite it being even more detailed. The team at THG recommends a CPU that is quad core, 16GB of RAM, a GPU capable of DX12, with 8GB of VRAM.
My computer:
AMD Ryzen 7 3700 CPU
32 GB RAM
NVIDIA GTX-3060ti GPU w/8GB VRAM
im a Queen Mary fan to Alex
I love your videos!!
Thank you!
Molly Brown's husband was never on the ship, the cabin (I think) you thought was occupied by her husband was actually occupied by Francis Browne, a Irish jesuit who took some of the only few photos onboard titanic during the voyage (at least surviving photos)
HI ALEX,, GREAT VIDEO!!! YOU KNOW YOUR SHIPS,,.. HOWS THE QUEEN MARY DOING ??? NOT TO CHANGE THIS SHOW I LOVE!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! BE SAFE AND HEALTHY.. VETERAN..
Thanks! Queen Mary is hanging on for now.
Alex, make some menudo, it helps me to have clear sinuses.
Nice vidieo. Eventuough the QMI had 2 deck Dining room in the pics it shows that all the tables are in one deck
It's really a starry sky, in the center is the constellation Aquila and the star Altair 5:11
I really appreciate your doing the demo tours! I've got a reasonably beefy programmer's box, but it isn't equipped for gaming (it has a ton of ram and mirrored disk space but the video is pretty low end), so i'd never be able to run the demo myself.
Are there any more recent updated Titanic demos that you could do?
Yes, this is a very old video, I actually stream the latest Titanic demo every 2 months for my channel, this is the most recent:
ruclips.net/user/liveNvAzKjrRrGw?si=bxVJjzmiDOnuVrZn
@@AlextheHistorian Ah, okay, they're all over on the "Live" tab. I missed that one. Hmm, i may have to watch them all in order now! And i just broke down and dragged out my big detailed Titanic plan so i don't get lost. Speaking of which, i'm sure it's been mentioned a million times, but the two volume Titanic The Ship Magnificent set (especially the 2nd volume) is essential. But one thing i really like about this demo is the color dimension, which of course is completely lacking in the books/pictures.
I love this so much as olympic class is my most favourit but wouldn't it be so cool if they made one as detailed as this but of the Queen mary how she was before she got changed into a hotel justvto think of all the parts of the Queen mary that has changed so much
52:20 yes it will be open in one of the updates coming,
Really want to live there just once
Just want to get there if i die.
It's like fantasy place
If anyone ever actually thought your name was Alex the Historian…they would be a friggin idiot or from the seventeenth century.
Anyway- I do enjoy your commentary. Thanks for your videos.
Ok u answered my question...ventilators
What are those white horn looking things standing up ?.. There's so many of them by the docking bridge
They are called cowl vents. When you point them into the wind, they catch the air and force it down into the ship. When you point them away from the wind, the negative pressure sucks old air out of the ship. In later years with larger ships the cowl vents would be used in conjunction with fans that could consistently push fresh air into several rooms on specific decks.
In relation to bare steel walls and exposed pipes in the bathrooms, this was an intentional aesthetic choice - not to appear beautiful, but to show off how 'modern' Titanic was.
47.30 this is first class promenade. 47.45. this is second class.
Don't know where thay got such detailed information from too build this. I heard the plans were lost in the blitz 2WW. The patterns in the wood are called marquetry, and inlay. Am from England never seen an English muffin. Pg tips for tea. Good vid.
Some of plans were lost in the blitz, but not all, they actually just posted a video yesterday about how they got the detailed information, it's worth a watch.
@@AlextheHistorian Yes see it before mixture of different ships and period design and decoration. Shame the plans where lost.
Awesome. Unfortunately I can only watch a minute of this at a time-- moving through the ship makes me completely nauseous. I've never noticed that from games before.
It only happens when watching someone else play. When you play it yourself, that doesn't happen
Great job on the video. Just one tiny thing that stood out to me was your pronunciation of "valet". It's pronounced "val-ay" not "val-et". I'm sure it's just because you've never heard it before.
You're the second person today to mention that 😅. Actually "val-et" is also correct. Both pronunciations are listed in the Oxford English Dictionary. People tend to refer to a personal servant as a "Val-et" and they refer to the guy who parks your car as "Val-ay". Though it's a matter of personal or cultural preference and the two pronunciations are interchangeable just like the word "either". [Ee-thur, eye-thur]
Are you gonna play Britannic Patriots of the Mediterranean
no I dont like games where you have to load into every room separately
Hi, Where can I download the 1.3 version?
You can't, they deleted it. Only the 2.1 version is available.
I don’t think the pool was green.I had a saltwater pool before and it was not green
Yes, but this was salt water taken from the Atlantic ocean. Many ocean liners had salt water pools and they all appeared slightly green from the ocean water. That's why I would assume Titanic's would be no different.
@@AlextheHistorian I see
PS the room next to the Verandah Cafe is the Palm Court
The Garden Lounge is from the Aquitania
I would like to see the engine room
So would I, but they're saving that for the actual finished game
It looks like the constellation Scorpius 5:20
When they're gonna release th full game??????????????????????
1:13:24 1:30:30 1:06:18
At one 1:30:30 did anyone see that door open
I’m so sorry for this ignorant question Alex but how true to realness is this video? Thanks in advance. Yvonna
Thats actually a very good question. The team who are developing the game are working with leading experts and historians to faithfully recreate Titanic to the best of their ability. They have traveled around the world to document artifacts, and have even taken notes of the characteristics and dimensions of remaining items from Titanic's identical sister Olympic. So the finished game will be THE MOST accurate anyone has gotten to the real thing.
That being said this demo features some areas never designed to be seen by the public, but at the last minute they included them in the demo, flaws and all. And some flaws are intentionally put into the demo so copy-cats can't develope a game before this team finishes their accurate game. But I myself am confident in saying this current demo is STILL the closest you can get to the real thing until the finished game comes out.
@@AlextheHistorian oh. That is so impressive! Thankyou. I recently watched the text documentary on the messages sent and received the night of the sinking. It’s heart wrenching and captivating. Love this opportunity to view her in all her glory aswell. Thanks again.
do a shot everytime he says "like"
Thats why we do this 😎
No offense but I just don't understand how you could claim Mauritania or Lusitania to be any more luxurious than Titanic as a whole. Firstly because stylistic judgments are entirely subjective so the whole thing is pointless in the first place. Secondly, because your arguments are marred in factual inaccuracies and disregard for auxiliary details. While the first-class cabins on titanic aren't all like the Strauss or parlor suites, they often had private bathrooms with tubs and wardrobes whereas Lusitania and Mauritania only had such accommodations in their most expensive parlor and regal suites (deck plans for titanic can be found here [1]). Also, while titanic did have variations of 6, 8, or 10 beds for third class on G deck, the overwhelming majority of them were either 2 or 4 person rooms and generally did not have bare steel walls but white wooden paneling. This was similar to Lusitania and Mauritania's third-class cabins at the time, which featured 2 to 4 person rooms (not private cabins) with the difference being metal bars for bed frames compared to Titanic's wooden counterparts. In fact, Mauritania had more third-class capacity than Titanic, and deck plans show that it did have group rooms of 6 to 8 beds in lower decks just like Titanic. Even a few second-class rooms had 6 beds (most of them had 4 whereas Titanic's second class only ever had 2 beds per room) and many first-class cabins in Mauritania had 3 beds in one room (source: [2]). Additionally, Mauritania's third-class general rooms, while similar to Titanic’s at a glance, had long dining style tables with bare wood decking compared to Titanic's combination of long benches, square tables with chairs around, and linoleum tiled flooring. Side-note: The second-class dining rooms in Mauritania and Lusitania just seem claustrophobic compared to the Olympic class. Titanic’s deck plans are also much more sensible and less confusing than Lucy and Mauritania since, on those ships, the veranda is looking straight out at a bunch of dome casings and the walls of the second class lounge, and its the same story with the poop deck which gets half its view obscured by a wall of second class accommodation and public spaces (refer to plans mentioned earlier). Mauritania and Lusitania also generally have more cluttered, asymmetrical, smaller decks that are just less pleasing to the eye (probably because any obstructions are painted a dark color which stands out against the decking). This video should give you an idea of what walking the decks on those ships was like [3]. Finally, the Olympic class had various amenities that weren't present at all in their Cunard equivalents, such as the swimming bath, gymnasium, palm courts, and Turkish baths. The only places where the Titanic is objectively beaten is in the third class dining room (Titanic’s looks like shit), the second class staircase, the third class promenade (though the Olympic class has something similar in Scotland road), and the first-class dining saloon but that's hardly enough to claim it wasn't the most luxurious ocean liner in 1912 overall (though I generally do prefer the color scheme and tiling on Titanic's first-class dining room as opposed to the other two's wooden flooring with carpets and I despise those gilded wrought iron fences on the second floor it makes the room look cheaply made). If you have any counterpoints id love to debate since I love old ocean liners and this is fun for me. *I believe the reason my comment keeps getting deleted is that it contained links so If you want I can like email the links that were in the original post and are replaced with [#] here.
To be honest I don't have the energy for a typed-up debate. I think it comes down to personal preference. The two ships had trade-offs. While I think Mauritania had nicer looking 3rd class spaces and private rooms, they were definitely smaller. While Titanic offered more space, the spaces were lacking in the kind of luxury or style other ships had. You say that you still believe Titanic was the most luxurious ocean liner in 1912, well that depends, some people think luxury is the physical aesthetic, I however measure luxury on a service level. In terms of beauty, I mean take a look at the first class spaces on SS Kronprinz Wilhelm...they are WAY nicer looking than anything on Titanic by far...I mean that ship is hardly distinguishable from a royal palace. Anyway, I'm actually in the middle of making a video about this very subject, about why Titanic really wasn't ground-breaking in 1912. It was a beautiful ship, but aside from its size, I personally wouldn't award it any title that has the word "most" in it.
@@AlextheHistorian May I ask where you're getting the idea that Mauritania had private rooms for steerage? This isn't shown in any deck plans. Making the service argument is also difficult since Titanic had more amenities and activities for their first-class passengers than other liners because of its size (even though some werent as lavishly decorated, its better that they exist and not be luxurious than to not exist at all, ex. the gymnasium). Though I agree that the SS Kronprince Wilhelm has much nicer public spaces, it's hard to judge the experience of being on it without knowing about the cabins (which also have bunks for first-class). The same can be said about Titanic. You've said before that not all cabins look like the parlor suites but most cabins don't look like the small one you used as an example in that argument. Just look at the first-class staterooms in the deck plans on B or C deck. There's a reason titanichg haven't released any of those rooms yet. If they were like the one you showed earlier they would be able to copy and paste it around the ship with minor alterations but every stateroom has a different style.
Again the ships had trade-offs. I dont have the energy to haul out all my research just for a comment section debate, just wait for the video where I will present my argument. I will show images to make my case.
@@AlextheHistorian White Star Line believed that showing pipes and steel beams in passenger compartments were good for buisness, pipes to prove that steerage had proper heating and plumbing, and steel to show that they were booked in a strong, secure vessel, they opposed too much panels in steerage since they beleived that it "covered up" evidence of it being less luxurious then it seemed, that is what I've heard, I may be wrong.
if you do the vidio i will give you a big thanks because you tell me things
Yes I will eventually make a few videos about the Queen Elizabeth, but it will take a while, I'm still in the middle of researching her.
Alex, are you Historian?
no, it's just a stage name.