Mother Ostankya Immortal Empires Campaign Review
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It will forever be strange to me that Drycha, a free LL, has a nice thematic campaign with her own unique lords and unique variants of tree units AND her own legendary hero. Yet premium Mother Ostankya is a rip-off of Drycha with many of the same units but no effort put into making unique lords or variants for her. How is it that a free lord from 3 years ago had more effort put into them than a paid lord from the most expensive DLC yet?
Free? I swear Drycha was we are sorry for making you pay for wood Elves for 4 years then make you buy another DLC....
By the Four, we are doomed.
Drycha's faction shows everything they should have done for Stanky. Even down to the fact that she lives in forests near Kislev.
Drycha does not come with any unique lords, she does have a legendary hero like Gor-Rok. But just like Gor-Rok she didn't come with any new units or unique camping mechanics. Which mother O does
Something, something, business reality.
@@srdjan455Drycha has reskins of lords there are also changes to stats. I would be more then happy to have thematic reskins for Ostsnkya
I'll never get over how Ostankya can't recruit Kossars with spears but she can recruit the Tzarina's SECRET POLICE/ on top of the ice court as well. Such half assed dlc.
I've always thought that Katarin and Kostaltin should have gotten a different version of the Ice Court. Katarin for Ice Witches/Frost Maidens and Kostaltin for Boyars/Patriarchs.
It's weird that Ostankya didn't get a generic hag lord as well, the hag lords and heroes could have fit into her own version of the Ice Court.
Watch them add those Hag Lords in the last patch WH3 like they did with Bray-Shaman Lords for WH2. :^)
Even if some reason there just CAN'T be Hag Lords, all of Kislev should have a ranged Ungol Lord. That would fit Ostankya just fine. Even just he Ice Witches are better than the Boyars, to go with the magical wise woman aesthetic.
You could probably take the hag witch and just slap a red and blue line in there, done. Half baked, but better then boyars leading hords of beasts and critters
Or at least make an Akshina Ambusher lord like the huntsmarshalls from the Empire, that would at least make a little more sense then Bojars wich are the Nobilty of Kislev not some forest dewelers.
Not sure stripping Morathi out of anything is a smart plan.
Malekith should know, perhaps ask him?
outta my way coward i aint afraid of no milfs
idk Alith Anar got some benefit out of stripping her for one night
The fact that they had the audacity to recycle mechanics, no new hag lore, no hag witch generic lord, just a lousy boyar, it is clear they cut corners cause of the planned release date .... and then charge us 25$ for it and then when we said fuck off, they basically said buy it or else we cut the support for the game, says a lot about how disconnected CA is from their customers, yeah CA we get it, costs are up...problem is EVERYONE'S costs are fucking up as well, you think people can afford to pay almost half of a full game for something that is worth maybe like a tenth of it?
Imagine thinking that you as a company that is dependant on the people buying your product to survive, think even for a second that you have the power over us. I am really curious to see how recieved their next instalments are after this complete and utter fiasco
You still have white knights defending CA and the game, you still have thousands of people who bought it. It doesn't matter how much disrespect their dealer gives them, just as long as they get their TW fix they'll pay 150% more than the normal price.
Bro post this on forum,not here,CA cant read this,as much as i agree with you
@@alexanderlow919they probably will just ban him for posting this there lmao
pitchfork and torch mob is starting to be boring ;)
@@WhendelXD true, lmao
Mother O is treated like a FLC from Tretch era, and CA has a gal to call this DLC a PREMIUM
but she has stealthy sneaky ambusher
The gall
Honestly, that was probably the original plan. It was going to be the normal price with Yuan and the Changeling with ostankya as FLC then some greedy exec said "Charge them for it"
@Adrian-gp4mm While she does feel like this in terms of what her campaign offers, she did get more content than a normal FLC as she got actual units that were not just reskins of other units. I'm not saying that was enough to make the DLC premium, but it does at least mean the normal DLC should be more than it was previously.
Tretch didn't come with all the unique mechanics like Mother O and he certainly didn't give you any new units
Ah yes the campaign that makes no sense, the lost hag and her pets
Her starting position should have been close to the RoC one
It makes perfect sense, faction starts aren’t about lore they’re about gameplay diversity.
@@fourthspartan5654 Agreed, but that start is only about diversity... that's all, cause it's not interesting, which is more important than diversity.
@@fourthspartan5654 okay, then lets also put the next Kislev or even Kathay legendary lord on the high elven island! /s
Are you braindead? Of course it's important lore wise.
@@fourthspartan5654 In WH2 they were about both.
Certified “lemme take my dementia meds” moment
Even if you don't buy the DLC you may have to suffer through CA's design choices with this one.
The AI as this faction is an absolute nightmare to fight against - they make stacks full of Ambushers (with freaking SNIPE they get from a tech) and save up all of their curses to spam on the player. When you fight them, every one of their units is going to be blessed while every one of yours is cursed. It's absurd.
That’s obnoxious
Started an Anar campaign the other day and Malekith is currently very busy being topped by Valkia and the Sisters of Twilight, so I was gonna go kill some time by burning down the Chicken Hut and smooshing Morathi into goop
But I REALLY don’t wanna deal with Drycha 2.0 when I’m halfway across the world
I fought her fairly early on in a Morathi campaign and she had 1/3 of her army turn into elemental bears when they died, among many other buffs/curses. It was absolutely retarded.
Just mod it. Bypass CAs garbage gameplay design
@@0786RICARDO Any suggestions on a good mod for that?
@@alecwoodard9464 not sure it exists yet. That's what I do to Tzeenchian factions though, don't have time to deal with boring idiotic mechanics.
It makes my blood boil to see how little and how unfinished we got for such an expensive price. I'll be playing BG3 and other crpgs as I've discovered how much I like them, and got a bunch of them.
The Kislev side reeks (More than the other two) of "We ran out of budget before finishing the DLC, just throw together what we have and sell that".
it really sounds like she was supposed to be a flc lord (in that short story it's yuan bo vs changeling, so they were obviously the main rivals of this dlc), so some greedy exec said not to put any additional work to it, and then another greedy exec decided to make her part of the dlc to make a weak ass excuse about the rising prices to everyone who can't count, but since the faction was "completed" in its barebones flc state they decided to not put any more work into it. pity, bcos kislev is my fav faction in wh3, i'm easter european and i look *exactly* like mother ostankya, she was my fav
It's also still really strange to me that Yuan Bo and the Changeling aren't fighting over Cathay.
Yeah, this is my take, too. This character was clearly built as an FLC, has about the same amount of content as Imrik and Alith, and then they decided to stuff her into the paywall
You can actually use Jinxed Land Hex empowered version to teleport enemy armies to the magical forest of your choosing, basically eliminating any resistence from enemy legendary lords as Ostankya can simply teleport them, thus they have to crawl back from the other side of the map.
Could have sworn the basic version of the hex only effects mother stanks army and the empowered version works on all your armies. Never actually tried it on an enemy, huge if true
That's hilarious. Chuck them into Cathay
Yes, always send them to Cathay, its funny seeing throg attacking my drakehof after 15 turns.
The fact that you can use it every 5 turns is super OP!
My personal boycot of this DLC continues.
I've been boycotting this game since immortal empires launched and all their patches were antifun measures.
First DLC I haven’t bought for the game. I uninstalled it and moved on to other games like BG3 and I play Medieval when I get the itch. CA isn’t even trying anymore, they’re actively spitting in the fans faces. Corporations only self reflect and change through overwhelming backlash and lack of profits, history has shown it to be so. I highly doubt CA lose enough money to turn it around though lol
@@mainernation5197 Maybe CA's hands are tied because of Sega.
so brave.
@@since-oj9cemaybe so but doesnt change, the reality is they still dont give a fuck and are ripping people off
Another thing to note is that there is a tech that lets you send ANY army to a magical forest, not just friendly. I kept sending Vlad or one of his supporting armies to Lustria every 5 turns and just conquered sylvania uncontested. He probably spent the remainder of the game trying to walk back.
Honestly the mental image of that is hilarious. Especially if he gets back just to be sent on a vacation to Brazil yet again.
The advantage of Akshina Ambushers is that they have the same upkeep as Streltsi but are better in every aspect (literally)
i like how the kislev lord can travel to forests with less of a cooldown than the wooldelfs can without the worldroots cleared event
As a wood elf main this triggers me immensely.
tbh i feel she should have her own ice court with witches as the result of the training, thatd make a lot more sense, also maybe some bewitched boyars like drycha has with her elves but then she would just copy drycha
That's a good take even a simple reskin of some heroes, units and lords to match her aesthetic
exactly
Your honesty is much appreciated man
appreciate your (what seems to me like) honest feedback on this campaign!
Mother Stanky copies grom, Yuan Bo copies Sniktch and Changeling's changing is weak. Whats so premium about this dlc?
To be fair at least Changling's mechanics are unique.
the price
Price is very premium 😂
they're all really overpowered
They are poorly designed but overpowered as hell.
Im not surprised this dlc is so bad when the devs likely had their dev team cut in half or into a quarter so the CEOs didn't have to hire devs for their shitty tarkov clone.
Good god, I dearly hope CA isn't so delusional that they think Hyenas is going to attract the same audience as Tarkov...
@@colbunkmust you must be new here because corporate executives are basically the dumbest out of touch mfers alive lol
Get over the "hump" of Morathi ;) well played
maybe one day CA will respond we have to keep pressing them they cannot be quiet forever
I can't believe this faction cost 25 bucks
Well 8 bucks and some change, if we want to be precise
@@fleischerkalle7198Even then just a few years ago 8 bucks and some change paid for the entire dlc.
@@fleischerkalle7198that's the price of an old lord pack, or 2/3 the content in the new dlc
It actually like 8 bucks because of other 2, Still dumb...
@@fleischerkalle7198 That's not how it works though... If you want to play this faction you have to pay 25 buckaroos you can't pick and choose. Therefore this faction cost 25 bucks
ostankya feels like she was supposed to be a free legendary lord but forced into the dlc. with how much content she got compared to the others
River troll hag reskin 👀
Legend, when are you doing an updated Faction Tier list? Really missing those since I just started playing WH3 lol.
For some reason I'm missing the whole witches hut button in my ui. I haven't been able to use any of her faction mechanics. Does anyone else have this bug
Coming back to this after getting my hopes up for the alleged apology update that Creative Assembly is planning for Shadows of Change to double check mechanics on Ostankya since I hard passed on SoC. Hopefully if CA adds more units with the SoC update they fix some of the holes in the line-up like throwing generic Hag Lords into the mix. I would *love* if they added some thematic artillery to her (maybe with them already ripping off Grom with the Cauldron they could steal Arachnarok Spiders from Skarsnik) like giant spiders that shoot giant web bombs or something. Anything with more accessibility than Little Groms since Tier 4 can feel like it takes forever to get to with Kislev at times.
Clearly it's up to Boris to enlighten Ostankya with War Bear Riders, but getting to her to confederate her (if her AI doesn't perish to Morathi or something) feels like a rough time for the other Kislev factions with how much is going on in their main regions compared to her easier time conquering a small patch then teleporting to Drycha.
They could have really gone the full Drycha route and reskinned some units, swap out the Boyar for something like an Ungol Chieftain, change up some skills (and maybe give him a giant spider mount instead of a bear, a chariot, maybe even a mammoth to push some Norsca parallels!) just like how Malevolent Treemen are slightly different to regular Ancient Treemen. Then done the same to the Ice Witch and Frost Maidens to give them some scary woods theming and it would have alleviated so much of the weirdness of this campaign. All the complaints are spot on, this just looks unfinished!
And if they had gone the Drycha route you would instead gripe about her faction being a Kislivite rip off of Drychas.
So i watched cause i was curious and:
>Changeling p2w easy modo campaign where AI doesnt work against you ( could be possibly fun in PvP campaign )
>Cathay best part of dlc with most fleshed out mechanics and actually harder campaign. ( Can say its a DLC standard )
>Gilf kislev , basicaly FLC LL added into DLC as a premium. Unfinished and missing mechanics ( Basicaly had huge potential to be fun )
The real issue for me was no melee wendigo units, huge missed opportunity to make some terrifying dryad-type Beast magic units.
I played a Kostaltyn campaign and it was alot more fun because of akishinas being available early
I just dropped my money for the Cyberpunk expansion instead. Maybe CA will care with the next expansion but I am not holding my breath.
hey, if cdpr managed to raise from the ashes in mere 3 years, maybe there's still a chance for ca too, sometime in our lifetimes! maybe even tes6 would be announced by then.
Thats what I will do aswell. I dont think this game will ever reach its potential. This is probably as good as it will ever get.
buying a mid roleplaying game dlc instead of a mid strategy game dlc
It’s my favorite lord from the dlc so far. I am enjoying the campaign. I like the teleport.
I found out that after the recent patch, AI tend to cancel agreement if you are not continually improving your relationship with them. this is quite annoying especially when u are fighting on multiple fronts, i got all my agreements cancelled with mazdamundi once when I was playing as ostankya and the relationship dropped to negative, I was forced to take him down because I felt I was threatened by him
"Get over the hump of Morathi"
Many, many haven't.
Legend puts in more work than the entire Total War team.
As ever, it isn't fair to pin it all on the team - we don't know how much time, team members and investment they had. If it's anything like how the parasite execs squeeze customers, they were probably cut very low.
Save the hate for the useless waste- of-breaths killing companies left and right, e.g. Sega/CA higher ups
playing a video game is hardly work
@@iamdopeasfcuk Def more work than CA is doing cause they are not playing their own game. Also notice how much videos Legend is posting and all his research in them.
@@iamdopeasfcuk this argument has been refuted so may times I shan't bother.
1) Jealous
2) Cope
@@12345langham Yep like Unity
I am curious. If the buildings are blocked off for you, can you get access to main Kislev roster by confederating other Kislev factions and inheriting their military buildings or are these buildings autimatically destroyed on confederation?
You'd have them unlocked before you can confederate them
They get destroyed. The same thing happens when you Confederate Avalorn, the building that recruits tree spirits is destroyed.
No one gets over the hump of Morathi. Her existence requires it.
0:01 LegendofTotalWar captions be like : "Regina Totembaum here"
just finished the ostankya campaign and while personally I do enjoy it, it is weird, I didnt have the kislev units for over 100 turns bc you start so far and I burned the chaos wastes to the ground to get there
Ostankya ROC campaign was quite fun, being surrounded by Chaos factions
been waiting for a few mods to tweak some things. the shamen lord by dread just came out so that will fix the limited lord option. and there is a mod that moves her starting location. along with a few others that will make her creatures unique to her coming soon.
Would love to see a Ostankya banner tier list but that might be kinda niche content.
Bigest fail was t0 Kossars still recruitable and Akshina at t2. Nice Job CA, Ill ranged spam as Kislev yet again.
I have a lot of fun with her campaign but I put limits on myself with the damage curses because I easily beat a strong stack against Karl Franz with just a basic settlement garrison 🤦♂️ I used the slow speed and damage while moving on him, his army was all but dead before they got to my cav (I hide the rest of the army) and just ran corner to corner until he died (I think he broke infact but yeah)
No mention of malediction of ruin 😢
While the community ignores this DLC the legend promotes it!
Ah yes, the hump of Morathi is the difficult part
the fact that stank has tech for mechanics she doesnt have like the other mislevites rites bugs me.
i dont think you mentioned the empowered versions of her campaign curses much. the empowered version of the yeet an army can do it to ANY army so you can send a difficult army to the far side of the world, or if you have vision, bring one to you to maybe kill for a defeat trait.
The absence of hag witch lords does make sense lorewise, they are not exactly leaders of their communities. But it would make sense to have an Ungol lord like huntsman general for Empire.
And hag witches using old Wind lores just makes no sense, they should have gotten their own lore of magic because they are not Wind casters. They use spirits to cast magic for them. In RPG they have their own lore.
yeah, they should add a different type of general, a wayfarer, an explorer, an archer general, like for the empire, it is not that complicate to add.
Looks like we need to wait for modders to finish CA's work...
No we dont
It feels like a treeman lord from wood elves would be a more natural generic lold for Ostankya than a boyar lord
All three LLs needs more units to make the entire DLC worthy. But of all of them it's Ostankya that desperately needs more units. A proper thematic generic lord option and two more units would be the bare minimum,
What really annoyed me about this campaign was that I felt like you had to craft a dozen hexes each turn to maximize your usage of the mechanics and progress. It was kind of grindy to click a bunch of times after every turn. The hexes are also something that you don't use at all for 90% of battles then use them to automatically win a hopeless battle by making all the AI units degen. They really should have thought up a better system for this.
What surprises me the most is how people were asking for a new Cathay melee hero. Then we get a melee lord in place of Cathay and a Hag hero in the place of Kislev. It's just so backwards
Y when i 1st time saw gate captian i expect him to be hero and still dont get why he is lord option...
To be fair people were also asking for a melee Cathay generic lord. Celestial General was not a wrong choice, not giving a generic lord and a generic hero for all three races in this lord pack isn't right, especially at this price.
@@zahel8516 Totally agree, they should have reskinned the Hag for an extra lord and the CGeneral as an extra Hero for very little work.
If you listen to the leech / suit who runs Destiny 2's model, it may be that they intentionally made this a shit DLC so that we wouldn't have high expectations in the future.
I find CDwarfs overpriced and haven't bought them, but it is undeniable that they seem to be a VERY well designed race.
People constantly compare/contrast Shadows of Change to them, so CA execs may have tried to temper expectations / intentionally F this DLC here.
@@zahel8516 That is fair, yeah. The best option would have been generic lords and heroes for sure
Having to craft an the time sounds like an absolute chore
It sounds good, other then being stuck in Naggaroth.
Also being stuck being a lackluster and underwhelming DLC. No Lore of Hags, no Hag Mothers, and no Chicken Legged Hut, which did have an icon for the Witch’s Hut and apparently may have even had concept art for a unit… which means it passed GWs vibe check.
I lost a T5 Chaos Fortress with a 20 man garrison of chosen, troll and warriors to a 20 AI stack of akshina ambushers. WHY DO THEY HAVE AP Melee damage like a chaos warrior wirh great weapons?? Wtf
I’m probably in the minority, but her campaign is my favourite thematically. It just sucks that CA was lazy and didn’t add a generic hag lord. Why tf can she recruit boyars and why in the world would the ice court serve someone who openly practices dark magic (not to mention she is a disgraced member of the ice court, though it’s been so long they don’t remember according to a voice line). Would be much cooler if they added a witches coven which lets your train new witches in the same way as the ice court does. I love her as a character and I love her vibe, it just feels so weird having her greatest generals be an ice maiden and bob the boyar
Her campaign is fun, the "she feels like an flc lord is just odd". One of her mechanics is an iteration on groms but i hate to break it to yall a lot of mechanics are iteration on other mechanics. Either from other TWW factions or other TWW games.
Hag lord i have no excuse for, that absolutely needs to be added to the dlc.
Many of these idiots that comment havent even play the faction. Theme this theme that bla bla. It got different touch and roster is not supposed to be completely different. Having no Hag lord is shitty but if you have to chose hero is better than a lord. Lores of magic yeah its a bit cheap move but i rather have 3 new lores for Kislev than make them have 1 new and dont get the acces to other 3. New units are also brutal. Elemental being my favorite, maybe among top 3 in the game and it looks like Leshen.
i find it funny that the premium dlc content is
"re-skinned" shadowy dealings
"re-skinned" grom the paunch mechanic
Half-baked is dead on for this campaign. The whole campaign, outside of Ostankya and the hag witches, just feels like it was thrown together without much thought.
if they arent going to increase the number of units for DLC's it needs to go back to the 2 lord dlcs. Id MUCH rather have 4-5 units + lord and hero for each of two factions then have 2-3 for each faction between 3. With only 2-3 i feel like you cant get the full theme for a lord like ostankya who is so different from normal kislev she is basically not even part of the race.
Stanky Fingers and the Fingers of Stankiness…
As AI she dies to Morathi pretty fast so there is almost no chance to confederate her
Even if some reason there just CAN'T be Hag Lords, all of Kislev should have a ranged Ungol Lord. That would fit Ostankya just fine. Even just he Ice Witches are better than the Boyars, to go with the magical wise woman aesthetic.
this campaign is pretty sour for me. i lvoe kislev, easily my favorite wh3 race and any content should be fun right? i love added hero type and units, but the mechanics are kinda meh and start position is questionable
Dont know, hexes are like cheat console commands. Teleporting enemies to Cathay is really fun.
Naw I can see the disliking the Stanky campaign. You're 100% right there's a lot of weird inconsistencies within it. It also runs into the same sort of problem that all Wh3 campaigns run into... the game gets boring after turn 50 as you've basically won your game at that point. I think by that point I'd knocked out morathi, and the skaven up north, the sisters of twilight were being jerks so I couldn't get an alliance with them so I took their tree, and I was about to take out the tomb king faction over there before I just got bored and turned it off.
TBH I think the hags not getting a special lore is not THAT big of a deal, beasts + death or even life + death + beasts could work for them. Not having more ungol units and lords is a bit eh, though.
i hope they make another pass on her but that seems incredibly unlikely. she should have her own lore of magic and lord type
strong faction but everything else about it feels so wrong, from the start position, to the units T2 units powercreeping every other unit of the roster and (thing of the woods are a chaos unit) and the Boyards instead of hag lords its so messed up like they put some ideas on the table and patched it with tape
On the one hand, you get Imrik for free, Rakarth, Drycha... And on the other, you pay 25 bucks to play an unfinished campaign, festus but with blue units, and Yuan bo.
For real. When I shamelessly participated in the review bomb I recommended people get WH2 instead. Way more content, much better story campaign, and lots of FLC on top of a base game with a generous amount of content.
Kislev needs a new lord type and Cathay needs a new melee hero
Stabky Mama's campaign is better in ROC IMO. The starting area is more accurate, and it is quicker to meet Kislev.
I bought the DLC for Mama O, and was disappointed in a lack of a new lord.
Ostankya gets Boyars to lead her armies by kidnapping them.
"Remember kids, if you get naugthy, mama ostankya will get you while sleeping and make you nanny of wendingos"
From where?? The Dark Elves slavery? 😹
This would be acceptable if it were explained through the game lore - like Drycha
It's sad that this DLC could have had so much more for Kislev.
But I never want to get rid of the Hump of Morathi.
By the review I am sadly disappointed for being this expensive. What happened to the creativity?
mother oldstankyho
I love her campaign, it is very satisfying, especially a longer one. Being able to rapidly deploy forces around different theaters of war is especially useful! To be honest, Kislev is my favorite faction, especially with the new improvements!
Easy campaign if you can get over Morathi's humps
why i am dee only one to press a like button on this video?
I see I am not really missing out on anything saving my 25 bucks
Akshina Ambushers are op, you don't need regular Kislev units. "Premium unit"
Bold of you to assume "creating a new mechanic from scratch" requires significantly more effort than reskinning and exisiting one.
Imo, her campaign is way more fun in TRoC. She is just to powerful for her start position in IE.
Mother Ostankya feels like a mod, not a CA official DLC. The reskins, reused mechanics and a little bit of jank is fine for a mod who has limited resources. They're doing their best and we love them for trying, but CA on the other hand... "Buy it or we'll cut development for Warhammer III!" Ouch, something just doesn't feel the same lmao
Looks like SFO might fix the normal Lord issue but they shouldn't have to it should be CA
0:45 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
thought the exact same thing
hump of Morathi you say, hmmmm....
If nothing else, It is definitely the ez mode for Kislev
BABA YAGA WILL GET YOU AND YOURS
Can't spell Ostankya without stank
Another faction that show how prime dlc looks like flc...
Very lackluster, which makes me so sad because I was dying to play as her/Baba Yaga
I cannot think of a way to make Ostankya being her own faction work. Her roster simply isn't varied enough to support this. I think she'd work best as a hero you can unlock when playing as another Kislevite lord, which unlocks the DLC units. But being able to recruit Balewolves and Elemental Spirits as a normal Kislevite faction makes no sense.
''PREMIUM DLC'' btw.
1:20 you can hear a lorry reversing, unwatchable sorry legend
Why does it just feel like CA tries to milk every penny out of WH3?