Nice upgrades! The handheld hi-res, webcam feature and especially no time limit in video recording maybe stand out to me most. But not upgrading to USB-C is almost inexcusable =) Will still continue with my E-M5mk3 for now.
Me too, but I don’t think I was the target for the OM5… maybe if still had my EM10iii it would be worthwhile. Yes, the OM5 really should have USB-C fitted, and the new menus. But it still wouldn’t have swayed me - I just bought a new lens instead!
I agree with Peter. The OM 5 has the important features of the OM 1, weighs less, and costs much less. What the OM 1 has that is important for bird photography is a faster processor and eye detection. As far as the small size of the 4/3rd sensor, the image quality is so good that I would only use high res if I wanted to blow up a picture large enough to hang on the wall. For all of my other uses, 20 mp is already more than I need. Both of these cameras feature exceptional in-body image stabilization and exceptional weather sealing. My OM 1 replaces a 35 mm DSLR, which was a heavy brick that I didn't carry around. The OM 1 camera is one that I actually use. It is a delight.
I’m getting back into photography and ended up getting the OM-5 even though a lot of people, and many RUclipsrs, didn’t recommend it and actually criticized it pretty harshly. I’ve had the OM-5 for a week and am loving it, it’s just perfect to take anywhere and I’m discovering features every time I use it. I’m not going to mention the full frame camera I had purchased and exchanged for it; but it just wasn’t as fun.
Great to hear. OM-5 is a great camera. Many said that it was in their opinion not enough upgrade from the previous model. That does not mean that one should not buy one.
Thanks for the info. The biggest deal breaker for me is the plastic top. Personal preference. I know it's a bigger camera, but for the same price I can get a EM1 mk3, at least down here... Does the new processor significantly improve AF? I am toying with the idea of getting a Fuji X-S10 as a new walk around camera and handful of cheap manual lenses. To me, the EM5mk2 still is THE classic Olympus camera as far as the look and feel are concerned. Have a great day!
I appreciate your first impression! 👍👍 For OM System to release this camera with old menu, old usb, talk about video "features" while not adding headphone output as the first camera with their branding, it's very underwhelming. Especially after the OM1. The OM1 impressed me a lot. Maybe that gave me false hope that this would have been a more modernizing upgrade. I'm sure the camera is fine if it fits a person's needs. I make an EM10 3 work as best I can for birds and mostly have fun with everything else. I've been trying to figure out what would be a good upgrade for me. Em1x has nice some features but it's too large and "heavy". OM1 comes closer in features. When I really compare them and look at cost I think about switching to the R7 instead. Overall size and weight is very important for my use which is why I'm trying to stick with m4/3.
There’s a lot to like about the OM5. It keeps the tough polycarbonate body (maybe just to annoy those who think it’s a bad thing when it isnt for most users); the smaller battery pack as used on the EM10 range (much appreciated by me who had 4 of these batteries already when I upgraded from the EM10 which is presumably the upgrade route Olympus was expecting people to take when it launched the EM5iii); the same 20MP sensor that has given me great images on my EM5iii .. the same HDR mode that is a great feature on bright days… with the addition of a couple of other features that are very tempting including upgraded IBIS, the very tempting Hand Held HiRes mode and digital NDF mode. To be honest, I’ll be sticking with the EM5iii I have for now - but that’s not unexpected. When I had a Nikon D60, I didn’t get the D3000 or D3100 when I upgraded, I got the D90, and then eventually the D610 before ditching it all for MFT. I was comparing some shots from my Nikon D610 with its 24-70mm f2.8 lens with some I took in the same location a few years later with my Olympus MFT kit. There really is not a huge difference. Whenever I think of switching to Fuji I really stop and think - what for? The IQ change really is barely noticeable. The days of getting massive leaps forward on every model is gone. It’s all about incremental changes now, probably more AI based and Olympus/OMDS seem to have a good handle on that. I’m also very appreciative of the excellent choice of MFT lenses with sizes, IQ and prices to suite everyone. So whenever I get itchy feet and think of going APSC-C FF (again) I think of the size and weight of my kit bag I carried then and and how easy it is now with MFT. I also try and remember a camera is just a tool - whatever sensor or lenses you have, if you aren’t using your eyes and mind and put some thought into capturing a great image, you aren’t going to get great results.
I agree with you. Cameras are so good nowadays there is no reason to upgrade every 2 years. I bought a om-d 10 iV recently because the screen of the mark II broke and I decided not to pay to fix it as the camera was getting old. I chose the omd-10 because of the tilt screen and I do not need the additional options you find in the omd-5. The omd-10 is more than good enough so to say. I do enjoy the better autofocus, the better IBIS of the mark IV vs mark ii (HDR works handheld now ) etc. The "plastic" body is also nice with the new grip. Overall the mark iv is a better camera but the mark ii would continue to be fine for my use.
@@bertrandroessli7862 This! Also means that there is alot good used gear for half a money. And it comes cheaper to swap if you feel so. Unfortunately theese plasticky kinderegg bodies havent been on my used mft body upgrade list for YEARS. So it is time to enjoy something more stable what comes for aftermarkets. If I ever would come back it would be cheapo em5m2 or just a smartphone😂
A very good device but which would be welcome if the em5 mk III did not exist... HHHR and ND is very good, the Log too. But the faults of the em5 remain the same three years later (usbc, headphones, autonomy, alloy, fragility base for tripod, only one custom mode on wheel, menu...). Probably not interesting enough for owners of the em5 mkIII. And newcomers will now find this camera at half price second-hand. For my part, I will wait for the OM3 😅
Hello Peter, thank you for the initial review and I look forward to seeing future ones on this system. As an E-M5 Mk III owner, I don’t see myself immediately upgrading to the OM-5 (absent a disaster befalling my current body), but I can say the new one does have several features I would like to have, namely the Starry AF and Live ND. I liked those features that were part of the E-M1 system when I first got the E-M5 Mk III in 2020, but as an enthusiast, I couldn’t justify spending the extra $$. Fast forward to today: the OM-5 would definitely be the system of choice for the type of photography I prefer, especially with the great lenses now available to us. Unlike some, I have no qualms with the 12-45mm F4 Pro as one of the two lenses I regularly use (the 20mm F1.4 Pro is my other option). Great situational glass in my view, and I may yet round out my set up with the 40-150mm F4 Pro in due course.
It is not worth upgrading if you do not need the features. I like to use the 20mm F1.4 PRO with OM-5 like I like to use it with any of my cameras. 40-150mm F4 PRO is a perfect lens for OM-5.
We're now seeing the pattern. The 1 flagship camera is released, then the 5 camera gets the internal guts from the previous 1 flagship camera. So the EM5 mark 3 gets the EM1 mark 2 internals. Now the OM5 (mark 1) gets the EM1 mark 3 internals. I have an EM5 mark 3 and like its form factor and ergonomics very much. It's a beautiful small camera. I'll skip the OM5, but I would be interested in an OM5 mark 2 when I presume it will get the OM1 internals.
Thank you, Peter for this instructive video. I also think that this camera is a good improvement ,and good for outdoors photography.i will certainly get one myself.
Thank you for a very good review. I think that OM SYSTEM makes a right step with OM -5. They need a smaller camera for hikers and mountaineers in the line. This camera is not for those who already have got EM 5 mark III as me. But there is a lot of people who do not have EM 5 mark III and need a camera of this type. So all the buzz about not enough large difference between them has not much sense from my point of view. In fact I like the "old" menu of Olympus very much in comparison with Lumix DC GX-9 that I used for mountaineering before.
I Love My OM-5! I generally keep a 12-40mm 2.8 on it. It lives in a bag with My E-M1X on which I keep a 40-150 f4 pro. These two and a 60mm macro cover most all of my needs.
Well Peter you asked for it!! I’m a Nikon Z7 user having changed from Fujifilm. I have big hands and love the extra spacing of buttons and controls etc of full frame cameras. I really need to use a lens longer than 70mm so the extra weight of a full frame system is bearable at my ripe old age of 75. I also like a slow approach to well considered shots on a tripod and thus take only a few each time I go out. Clearly the OM-5 wasn’t targeted for users like me! It has some very interesting features to attract new buyers and I think OM Systems are heading down the right road by developing their computational features. Smartphones must be one of the biggest competitors and they are developing more every year. Thanks for a great video. It was good to watch.
Peter, I love how you keep saying Olympus! 😊 Keep on doing it! It’s funny that it’s only a couple of days since I commented on another of your videos about how we both regret the loss of the Olympus name. And now, here we are: the first new “Olympus” camera without the Olympus name on it. It’s a real shame. I don’t hate the OM System branding but I do regret the loss of the long tradition of the familiar and much respected, established name. It may not make a practical difference but it does make an emotional and reputational one.
@@ForsgardPeter Yes. Clearly, like me, when you see "OM System" you think "Olympus", and that's probably fairly unlikely to change. (I don't even want it to change, frankly. After all, the heritage is still there.) I read another comment somewhere, saying they wished that the new name had been OLYMPIC rather than OM System. Having seen that suggestion, I have to see that I really agree with it. There may be practical reasons why it wouldn't have been possible, but it's so close… only two letters would have needed to change, the logo could remain essentially the same, many people would barely notice the difference, and Olympic means "of Olympus" in any case. Shame they didn't go that way…
@@ForsgardPeter Yes, it is part of history… but OM SYSTEM doesn't really seem like a brand name to me (more like a classification), and the history will be lost on all but the most dedicated Olympus users. Whereas Olympic would have been very obviously and closely related to the original, and it just seems a nicer single-word name to me. I thought it was a really good suggestion, anyway, when I read it, and I rather wished they'd gone with it. (It could have still been "OM System" within the Olympic brand.) Anyway, it's pointless arguing about it, as the decision has been made! :-) I just thought it was a nice idea.
Like many, I was initially a little bit disappointed with this camera. Thank you for your relatively upbeat review. I think it comes down to expectations. Many of us expected a completely new camera like the OM-1 or at least revolutionary changes over the E-M5 Mark III. This did not happen. Nevertheless, the OM-5 is a more significant upgrade over its predecessor than many have been willing to admit. We should not dismiss the 20 upgrades it offers. The handheld high resolution mode especially stands out to me. Of course, I would have liked to have seen an upgraded sensor and a return to full metal construction. I will probably not replace my E-M5 Mark III anytime soon but the OM-5 will be an excellent choice for someone just starting out with Micro 4/3.
I agree that the expectations were higher. One reason is the rumors. There are things that are not correct even though they are quite accurate. Same here, I would have liked to see some more, but I think it a quite nice upgrade. It all comes down to the fact that if someone needs/wants the features or not.
I bought the OM-5 today with the 12-100mm f4 IS Pro lens. Less portable than a shorter zoom of the 20mm 1.4, but I now only need one lens for most use cases. One important aspect is the weather and dust sealing of the system: camera body and lens. I'll be in dry dusty places in the summer, so do not want to be changing lenses in those conditions. Another reason is that I don't want to lug around a large camera and lens system. The size of the OM-5 is perfect for my needs.
The rumour mill had conditioned me to expect the stacked BSI sensor in the OM-5, so for me that is a miss. I'll hang onto my EM5 iii and treat myself to DXO Real Raw to get a bit more out of the files. If you follow the Narrowband channel, you will understand that there are big changes in Micro 4/3 sensors coming, much better noise control and dynamic range etc., so I'll hold out for this tech to arrive, hopefully, in future OMDS products
When I decided to move away from the full svale DSLR Nikon range, it was because I got tired of lugging around 30 kilos plus of glass. I have not regretted the decision a single day. From the Olympus OMD EM1, up to the latest OM1, I have been thrilled by the results I have achieved in my photography. I just picked up the OM5 and I am tickled pink by the tiny body filled with functionality. Living in Norway really puts challenges to the gear you use. Heat like the Mediterranean and cold like the arctic puts everything to the grueling test of nature. I have never been let down by Olympus! I carry my cameras everywhere and just rinse them off under running water 🤗📷. I can’t wait to bring my new “buddy” out in the world as an exciting new traveling companion. Peace out 🤗🇬🇷
Hey Peter, first great video and thank you for taking the time to highlighting some of the positives. However, I'm a bit disappointed with this camera. This should have been an opportunity for OM to bring back what the E-M5 body USED to be which was a camera that was revolutionary and different from the E-M1 bodies. I made two videos about what I think they should have done coming from a marketing and business point of view. This camera is going to be a hard sell. Especially when some of these other cameras that recycling parts or using older tech is coming out at a lower price point. If this was priced under $900(US) this maybe a good option for upgrade otherwise it'd be hard to persuade someone to choose this over something like a Canon R10 or Canon R7.
Thank you Peter for your continuing efforts to inform and educate us about OM/Olympus cameras and lenses. I own a OMD EM 5 MIII and don't see enough new features in the new OM-5 to upgrade. If OM had made some morphological (structural) changes to the physical camera, like bigger buttons on the back, joy stick, better hand grip, etc, I might have considered getting the new camera. The other upgrades aren't enough for me to shell out a lot of money for the new camera.
I have both EM5III and EM1III. I have tried the OM5 and OM1 (not extensively, I must say). To be honest, they didn't feel like a next generation cameras to me. Just not enough improvement to justify an upgrade. I'm glad that these cameras were put to the market though. It showed that the new owner is committed to continue the great tradition of Olympus. As a first buy, definitely yes, both are great cameras.
The 20 upgrades are not enough to warrant changing from EM5iii for me, but are certainly good steps. Perhaps the next version will have the better subject tracking and a little increase in the grip size that I'd be looking for. Also, it'd be useful to have the fast charging capability of USB-C.
I agree, if you do not see that the upgrades in the features are something you need/want it is not a wise move to upgrade. Especially if you already have the E-M-5 Mark III.
Hi Peter, let me premise that I don't make videos and if I do I use the iPhone. So my thought is only for the photo compartment. If today I had to choose between this camera and a Lumix G9 I would still choose the G9. I don't argue about the cool features it has, but it seems to me a new/old camera and with the 800 euro now I buy an old/new camera. A camera that does not have perfect continuous AF but the perfect single focus, has dual card slots, has better ergonomics, and has proven quality. It has far and near focus, great personalization, and excellent stabilization. And last but not last, a good eye finder. For the same money, I add a very good lens such as can be the Leica 12-60 or the 12-35 2.8. You asked for the thoughts of those who follow you with interest and this is mine, without controversy and without factionalism. I'm just saying that for that money I expected something better. The fact that it has a micro USB is not a problem, but it says a lot about the fact that I consider it a recycling operation and an attempted modernization just because everyone was waiting for an OM5 and marketing rules. Kind regards
Great video! I am thinking about getting the OM-5 in the future. It looks like a great camera. I think the OM-5 was critized too harshly by many youtubers and photo outlets during its release. There were two main things that were critized. The lack of USB-C and the simple branding change at the front of the camera. Personally, I never used the USB port on any of my cameras. Second, even though I do miss seeing the Olympus branding, I quite like the new OM System branding on the front. I think the upgrades are certainly substantial. Despite what many say, I think OM System has a very bright and promising future.
I think they've missed a trick here by not putting a USB-C connection on the device and allowing clean, live video output via a USB-C port. This would really make it into a great video camera as you could then also easily use it as an input video source on your computer to act as webcam or even as a live video camera whilst streaming live.
@@ForsgardPeter Good to know, thank you. I mentioned USB-C in the comment as the higher data transfer rates of USB-C would obviously help with live video. On another note, can you confirm, Peter, that the live video feed is clean? On the E-M10 Mk2 the feed was clean but on the E-M10 Mk3 the feed always had the battery indicator shown on the video feed no matter what. I raised this with Olympus support and the development team came back stating that they were aware of this and would consider it for the future... would be nice to hear confirmation from reviewers on this kind of thing as it kind of ruins the experience of using the E-M10 Mk3 as a live video source.
The biggest thing for me not to upgrade from my original marklll is that om system name on the camera front, I’m sticking too the classic Olympus camera brand name looks far better.
Thanks for the early review of the new OM-5 camera Peter. The new OM-5 is from sensor, processor and thus featureset identical to EM1III just in a smaller case. The EM1III was as its time of arrival only a minor update of the EM1II. So is the OM-5 to me. If my EM5MII breaks I may consider it as a 2nd body. More likely to happen is to replace my EM1III and make it a 2nd body with a more recent OM-1. The "new" OM-5 seems to be a disastrous outlook into the OM system portfolio (old technology in a new body) - I hope to be wrong! Arguing about the menu system - I fee the old one. However it's a strong message besides the micro-USB port to have even this identical to EM1III...
I really love my EM5 mk3. This looks like a fun upgrade but I would prefer to spend my money on some new M4/3 lenses (8-25 f4). I know that there is already a lot of criticism on the OM-5 not being enough of an upgrade but my thought on the OMD/Olympus system advantage is the quality, small form factor, cost and weather sealing of the OMD/Oly lenses with the camera. This is especially true of the new f4s and the 1.4 (hopefully more to come).
Totally agree Lindsay. The EM5iii has kept me with MFT and I’ve bought some fantastic lenses from including the 8-25mm f4 (got it used which was amazing), the 45mm f1.8 and the 12-40mm f2.8. The EM5 mkiii packs some amazing features, although I loved my EM10 too!
Hello Peter, Thx for your first Impression. Your Videos inspire me to upgrade from a pen ep-pl 9 to EM5 Mark III I pre-ordered the EM-5 Mark III at the Launch. im a Outdoor Adventure Photographer, 90% of my pictures what i make when i going hiking and mountaineering. The OM1 is a great Camera but for me to expensiv, to big and heavy. I love the small Size and weight from my EM-5 Mark III. The OM5 is a great camera but the new Features are not a game changer for me. in my opinion a good choice for people who have the older E-M5 Verions or E-M10 Versions. Features what i personaly wish for a new update: New Sensor Like OM1 Better Viewfinder More AF Points Better OIS is Nice to have but the old OIS from the EM5 Mark III works great. its not a game Changer for me. The newer Processor is great, Star AF, hand-held High Res and Live ND are nice to have but not a must have for me.
It appears OMD just pretty much rebranded what was out there. Not including USB-C makes me believe the intervals are the same or similar to the previous model. I don’t see this as a reason to purchase
I don’t recall seeing this video before (apologies if I did a year ago), but quite enjoyed. Camera is about $300 off right now and that prices it nicely for folks who go outdoors.
Exactly why I’m buying it. For a couple hundred more from the EM10 mIV I get a better camera and the F4 Pro lens. As a new Oly user this checks all the boxes. A lot of the negatives I’ve seen in reviews come from comparing to the mark 3. But for someone like me, never used either, the old menu system means nothing. It is just what it has.
Didn't know how long it would take for this to be released, so got an E-M1 mkiii instead, no regrets)) also wanted something with an Olympus logo, been with them since e-400 in 2006..
Using the better hardware from the EM-1 iii is not surprising. I never had any issues with the picture quality (I use Topaz software). The OM-1 made huge strides in af which was my main issue. I used a 5.3 as a second camera for less challenging situations (it's my daughters now)so this looks like a decent second camera. Paired with my 12-45mm and the 40-150mm f4 it will make a very nice carry about kit.
Terveisiä Ranskasta Peter! Usually, I envy you a lot, because you are more than talented. But today, I don't envy you at all. I would be quite unable to find positive things to say about this camera which is nothing else than the components (except for the USB-C port! Honestly, in 2022, how can they still dare to use micro USB???) and the software (including the old menus) of an E-M1.3 in an E-M5.3 body. I don't forget that in its time, the E-M1. 3 was rather disappointing when it was released (even if it is still a good camera) because it brought too few improvements compared to the E-M1.2. The OM-1 let us hope for better days, but the cold shower was not long to come... How can OMDS continue to make the same mistakes, the ones that caused the loss of Olympus? It's really a sad day for MFT fans...
Peter ;Thank you for this commentary .I v an EM10MARK 4 and an EM5 MARK 2 , so I shall be in the market for an upgrade in soem months time. I have to say that I don't aspire to an OM1 ,so to me this sounds like a worthwhile upgrade to consider with some features that would be new to me. It may end as a choice between an EM5 mark 3 and this new OM5 , dependent on price , trade in etc, but to date I am impressed.
When I bought the OM1 (film) camera back in the 70's it wasn't because I couldn't afford the Nikon F, it because the Olympus was of a similar high quality in a smaller package. Having the capabilities of an EM1 mark 3 in the body of an EM5 I think is an admirable upgrade. Not everyone wants a larger camera body. Perhaps OM System could do a firmware upgrade that would allow the used to use whichever menu system they prefer - the old system they are familiar with or the new system that would match the OM1 digital.
I'm a but underwhelmed. Old OS / menu system, same sensor, same video specs, there's no compelling reason to upgrade from a E-M5 III, and that's already getting on in years. I think I'd look at the used market for a E-M5 III before buying one of these. I don't understand why OM released this camera; maybe simply to fill the gap created by discontinuing the E-M5 III by offering a nearly identical (if dated) replacement? Very strange. Thanks for the video Peter. Wonderfully shot and presented as always!
Hi Peter and thank for your comment. I have the Olympus5-III I bought a few months ago for 1 100.00 $ Canadian dollars. I won't bought that new one with cost 1 600.00 canadian dollars. I like ma gear et i have e lot of fun using it. Thank for what you do. I appreciate yours comments. Bonjour de Montréal.
I still have my EM5 mark II and that is still an amazing camera to compliment my OM1. My photos were able to keep up with my girlfriends Canon 5 & 6D. Honestly, for whom OM Syetem are marketing the OM5 to, it's the perfect camera. The Live ND and Starry sky features are a great addition for adventure photographers. I am disappointed that we have the older menu system and lack of a "joystick". I also wish my EM5 II could do handheld high res, but it can't. OM5 looks to be an OK camera system. Not fancy or flashy. Great camera for beginners and mid level photographers. Will I upgrade my EM5 II to the OM5? Probably not. What I can't do with the EM5 II i can certainly do with my OM1. Great job Peter on the video and I anxiously wait to see the results of the comparison video of the OM5 with the EM5 III.
Let's wait for Peter's practical comparison with the EM5-3. A pity OM loses momentum here but thinking positively a newer DSP along with reworked firmware and nice to have add-ons is also welcome. And the same body means no need to adjust for me if I choose to upgrade my EM5-3.
Thanks Peter-- this is by far the most comprehensive review for this unit-- If they had upped the menu and sensor game I really might have jumped in..But since I have an EM-1 MKIII--I think I will save up for the OM-1 ---It's kind of cool that they are offering a silver finish option,, back in the film days,,it cost an additional $40 USD to get the "professional " black color for the OM-1. I have both silver and black GX-8 Lumix cameras,,but I'm selling the black and keeping the silver for the sake of nostalgia,,, to each his own I suppose. Great job of catching us up with the latest.
Thanks, I have always prefered black cameras. It is not so visible when photographing. But I can see why silver is popular, the nostalgia and it looks better.
Interesting approach. I personally like the idea of a small packaged EM1iii. Suggestions for comparing it to to EM1ii: 1.) Live Nd and HHHRes: Maximum stops and computational times (How long does it takes until I can shoot again). 2.) Focus Stacking: Maximum number of shots (5 mark3 just had 8 Vs. 15 in EM1 series) and processing time (my EM1 mark2 from 2016 is quite slow in this regard). Looking forward to your next videos. Have a nice day 🙋
Very nice camera indeed. However, without a new sensor in the OM-5, the EM-1 mk3 seems like a better option, with dual card slots, usb-c, external charger, 4 custom functions on mode dial, larger battery (more shots), higher burst rate, higher EVF magnification, more ergonomic grip, ... and it's only €200 more expensive nowadays, and not that much larger/heavier than the OM-5. Having said that, I find the retro-look chrome exterior of the OM-5 very attractive.
Hello Peter, thank you for the video! It must be very difficult, to keep smiling while promoting this camera. In my point of view buying an new camera with a 5-6 year old sensor (EM-1 ii) is a no go. So sad! 😢
Thanks. Yes I will defend some of the things that people say that are not true or are misundestood wrong. There are some valid questions about some of the choices OMDS made with this camera.
Looks to me like a firmware update to original em5 iii. Starie sky should have been in mkiii. Along with focus improvements and Nd filter. Not impressed to be honest.
@@ForsgardPeter You are correct. I do feel em5mkiii did not get firmware updates it deserved though. USB c should really be in the new body. Shame I wanted to love this camera but it is stuck with old menus and no subject detection for animals etc. Feels a lost opportunity.
It's the E-M5 mark iv with a new name. Nothing wrong with that. They have updated the firmware (and the image processor from TruePic VIII to TruePic IX). Many people seem to love their E-M5iii so I expect this camera will be a hit as well. It's amazing they've managed to keep the price the same as the original E-M5iii. I do hope that they've fixed the weak baseplate issue that many have had crack when using to mount a carry strap to the tripod mount.
I think it is the same. I have only a few problems with that. Out of quite many sold. The cases have been when people have carried the camera attached to tripod and hit something. The problem has been a minor problem. I did have had a E-M5 Mark III for over a year. It was not mine. It was from Olympus for testing. Used a tripod when making video and had zero problems. I agree that Olympus should have looked into that problem. They have not talked about it at all. Have you had a problem with it?
very similar camera to mine think I'll wait until they produce something special great talk as usual, I always follow your lectures very honest and up front
UK’s Amateur Photographer magazine has given the OM-5 a 5 star review and ‘Highly Recommended’ grading. From my point of view as an EM5iii user, I already got the better AF, processor, HDR, better IBIS, when I upgraded from my EM10 so I will be sticking to the EM5iii for now. I guess the days of us buying a new body every few years is over. But I think for anyone looking to come to MFT, the OM-5 has a lot to recommend it. People will bitch about the ‘plastic’ body, ‘small batteries’, the sensor not being upgraded but the performance difference would,be marginal and in fact the IQ from the EM5iii is already good.
USB-C is a huge advantage with transfer speed and charging. Blown away that they'd do this. Nothing made in the past 3-4 years has any business using mini USB ports
Yup, it is on order, so I am getting one. The all-black version. Can't wait for it to arrive. Not too long now, providing the shipping dates aren't delayed. I have a couple of photography events coming up and look forward to using this camera for them.
Great to hear. I also prefer the black version. The silver one is quite stylish, but it sticks out, and I want my camera to be as "invisible" as possible.
OM-5 menu system. I have an EM10m4. If I get the new OM-5, I would keep my EM10 as an alternate camera. So I would consider having the same (or similar) menu system on both cameras to be a feature, not a drawback. I think the same would apply to many owners of prior Olympus gear.
I agree with the other comments: this is a pathetic release and it's obvious that OM Systems decided they needed to release "something" to expand their lineup. I have an EM-5 Mark iii and I see nothing but trivial enhancements; certainly nothing to incentivize me to upgrade. In most situations, the step-down version of a flagship camera is essentially the flagship without some of the best specs. Perhaps the max FPS is 40 instead of 120; or the write speed is slower; that sort of thing. Instead, OMS decided to add the (useless for most users) computational ND filter but not the (more useful) subject detection. The OM-5 is just an EM-5 with a couple of ho-hum changes. I have no idea why anyone would upgrade from an older EM-5 or EM-1 to this body.
@@jf9979 I can give you a laundry list of upgrades for the flagship OM-1, starting with a sensor that is > 20 megapixels. People say that this is the limit of M43 but Panasonic now has 24 megapixels in their M43 system. As a bird photographer who is often shooting subjects that are 3 inches long from a range of 50 feet or more, even with the great range of the Olympus glass I sometimes need to do extensive cropping; at 20 megapixels I often lose way too much resolution for a keepable image. What would also be useful is something that overcomes the noise and poor low-light performance inherent to M43. Yes, the hand-held high resolution mode can be helpful, but only in a small minority of scenarios; the feature is useless if there is any movement in the subject. In terms of the OM-5, the "proper" thing to have done would be to make it a slimmed down version of the OM-1. If they merely Incorporated the newer sensor and menu system while maintaining the other advances over the OMD-EM5iii, this camera would have been much better received. But instead they chose to release what amounts to me the OMD-EM5iv which was already in the works.
They should bring a OM “New Generation” Camera. The OM-5 deserved the new Menu system; USB-C as a “minimum“. The new sensor , from the OM-1, would really give us the new generation Camera feeling! But they brought us cold coffee! Anyway, the OM-5 is a good Camera, and will give OMS time, bringing a little update, with NO investment, for future projects! Hopefully they will make money and will bring innovative and good products in the future.
But is this pathetic to those who already own EM gear or those wanting to get into it? This seems more like they're clearing inventory and I'm sure their coming offerings will be more innovating
My next camera is a secondhand EM1 mk3, less cost than the OM-5 all the features of the OM-5, plus more it's a much better camera. I wish OM Systems well but think they've under delivered with the OM-5.
I don't want my critique of the camera release to be understood as critique on your video. I think your insights are great and your long lasting impressions with the brand help see the positive in this release. It's helpful to see you talk about the camera when trying to understand why they did what they did - and in this it's a great video! At the same time, I can't see the appeal in this camera. We could again talk about how gear is not everything and how hold things don't become worse just because newer, better things exist, but this camera simply feels off. The first issue I have is with the price tag for what we get here. The OM-5 sounds more like a mid-range model between the lower line OM-10 we might see and the top shelf OM-1. But for that target group, the price feels a bit high - especially compared to a lot of the competition at this price point. Of course, a price can only be "too high" if the delivered features are not enough for what you pay and sadly, all the small, nice and indeed very good upgrades here don't reflect the prive to me. Compared to the E-M5 you gain so little that is not a specific software feature that paying the additional cost of about 300€ (in my region) compared to this newer body simply is hard to justify. The lacking new hardware, outside of the processor, is simply a cherry on top for people not considering to upgrade. The old sensor, no USB-C and even the old menus are all things that could have been changed especially with the new processor. Looking at the USB situation in 2022 makes me sad how "inconsiderate" this body is to the user and having the old menus simply make it feel like a neglected, overlooked development. Why isn't there support for those non-cost measures when we do have the better processor? I hear people say "the old USB port shouldn't be a problem for photography as it has no direct impact on how good the camera is", but it supports my point of a lot of features feeling like compulsive oversights - and so does the old menu. My other gripes are with the video features. I know we shouldn't expect them to deliver the same features like the OM-1, but having only 8bit video at this price point can't hold up to the competition. It also makes no sense since we do have more computing power now and the codec already exists. A lot comes down to the old sensor, which is still a very capable piece of tech, but sadly also quite outdated, especially when looking at the asked price. I guess sourcing a new one might have exploded the cost even more and isn't feasible at this point for OM-System, but it hinders the progress we could have expected. Price for it being still the biggest issue and less the quality of the sensor. I guess time will tell how good this model will resonate with the customers. I'm sure there's people that like it and I'm happy for them. I can also see that it's important to OM-Systems to finally have an OM-5 in their line with their name on it - even if that means mostly copying what already existed. Seeing this camera as a rebrand to fill the hole in the marketing line up makes me feel better about it, rather than expecting it to be the same kind of upgrade the OM-1 was. I just have a hard time seeing all the good when the competition, even from the own Olympus line, is so strong. So to give a TL:DR: Great video, good points and much appreciated information! On the other side, a questionable, yet understandable release with a disappointing price point and physical feature set. If someone needs the specific upgrades in software, more power to them - great camera. For everything else, it's feeling like a really tiny step - even if it's in the right direction.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH I know Peter loves his Olympus gear and thus does have an inevitable bias, but with his bias also comes experience in the system and factual correctness through the press release. I think his points are valid and seeing the good in the system is certainly possible, but I also still think the camera is a weird choice of parts, price and release timing.
@DeepteshLovesTECH I have never said that it is a non bias channel. It is all out there and open. I am an OM SYSTEM Ambassador. I do have quite a long history with OM-D cameras and also with Olympus and OMDS companies. I have some understanding what they think and why the camera is like it is. Some might think that it is not a good camera and that is ok.
I agree that the choice of menu system was a wrong one. It will be interesting to hear why they chose that road. Some say that it is the processor, but I have not heard anything from OMDS yet.
When the first real feature improvement you mention is weather sealing being slightly better (the E-M5mkiii had excellent weather sealing too, even on the OM site) the camera is a sad improvement. Take these tiny ticks here and there but at least use the SAME sensor as the OM-1 and you're doing WAY better. But no, they cheapened out and probably wont give you a battery charger on this either.
They wouldn't be able to make a camera at this price point with the OM-1 sensor, but people might have been happier with a more expensive OM-1 like camera that's downsized.
@@fgrep15 And they won't get the price of the OM-1 sensor cheaper without selling more of those sensors, and thus ordering more of them from Sony. OM really hasn't done anything yet. The OM-1 was all done by Olympus beforehand, so OM is just skimping by.
I am also disappointed. This more feels like an EM5MK3s than an OM5. Why no new Menu System? Or a better EVF? Just a few new AF Features from the OM1? Headphone Jack? Or a Joystick? USB-C? This could have been sooo much better for a smaller Body than it is
I would like to upgrade to this from my om5 Mk 2 which isn't the fastest for computational photographing (e.g. focus bracketing). From that camera it's IMO an reasonable upgrade
Nice camera. I already have the OM-1, E-M1.3, Pen-F, and E-PL9 with lots of great glass. I would buy this camera for my teenage daughter. She's just getting into photography. She's using an old Nikon D40 with kit lenses. If she continues with photography, I think this would be a great camera for her.
Interesting move by OMDS. Having a light weight camera in the system is perfect, though the improvements over the EM5.3 are straight out of the EM1.3 parts bin. Looks like the weight is identical to the EM5.3, so I am assuming the same high quality resin outer body as the EM5.3 (with the possibility of the tripod socket failing if used with Peak Design capture clip). Also they should of used a USB connector and incorporated a joy stick. I am glad I upgraded my original EM1 to a as new EM1.3 just a couple of weeks ago, less expensive than the OM5, more capable field camera.
I think you likely made a really good move. I got an EM5 Mk iii this morning. If I'd had a little more cash I would have gone for the EM1 Mark ii though I do like the small form factor of the EM10 ii so the EM5 iii was a natural upgrade especially with a warranty while it can still be had new.
The OM-1 was announced as a Wow camera. Very good camera, but far from Wow! Now the OM-5 comes with the E-M1 mk3 processor, but with a sensor that was already outdated when the E-M1 mk3 came out. The same sensor is in the EM-1 mk2. (September 2016) I'm not sure, but I think it's the sensor from the PEN-F (January 2016). Let's be realistic, OM-5 brought absolutely nothing new. All the features are old and crippled. I am disappointed I cannot express how disappointed I am!
Peter, thanks for the review. I really like the silver frame look of the new camera. I am a bit disappointed in the menu system. The OM-1 has a nicer menu system in my opinion. I don't shoot video, but I really appreciate your comments on the video of this new camera, and I must agree. Good video is becoming more and more important. It's looking cold in Finland. Bundle up!
I'm attracted by this camera. Was counting on getting a Panasonic G95 as a compact and practical travel camera. But might wait for this to have a drop in price because it has more features that make it even more practical such as the handheld live ND and High res shot, the starry sky and other. Not concerned with video and the fact that it has a micro usb port.
I pre-ordered the black one today. Can't wait to go outdoors. Lightweight, great. Now having a Nikon D7500, which is pretty heavy. So, I hope that I am going to live this new beauty.
Thank you Peter, excellent review. I like the clear way you explain camera features. Nice camera. My Menu and Custom Function buttons, Starry Sky AF and Live ND are all welcome upgrades and the camera remains compact. I tried OM 12-45 f4 lens, wow really sharp! Fits well on the OM5. Nice background scenery in your Finnish forest in the video.
If you only have one m43 body this would be a pretty good choice. I suspect though, a good number of us already own an E-m1 series body or an OM-1 and this would serve as a back up body, a travel body or just kicking around when you don't want to carry the larger body. If I'm planing on doing some "serious" photography (landscape or birding) I'm bringing the bigger body. Bottom line, for my use case, this new body offers very little to make it worth the extra money over an E-M5 II or III. Just my opinion. Saved myself some money too!
@@ForsgardPeter for that i know if i can say that, OM System guys are not having a good time but they keep on working yes I want to see what they can do with more resources as they know how to innovate, how to bring things you may not even realize you would have wanted. But I will only add that I want them to stay :)
Looks interesting, of sorts. If I understand it correctly it is basically a EM-1MkIII repacked into a smaller body with a few tweaks/upgrades? Explains the blow-out prices on the MkIIIs over here lately, then. I have pondered getting one of those, but if the prices are on par with what is suggested here, I could see the OM-5 being a very attractive alternative, to a new(ish) 1 MkIII, depending on how it feels in the hand.
@@stefanbracke4792 USB-C or B, I find that a rather mooth point, as such. The better battery ? Perhaps, but is it really that much of a hassle to carry a spare, which is good practice anyhow? 🙂
@@JensMHA at least for me, micro-usb is completely outdated. It's charging slowly and it's an additional cable I have to carry. Every smartphone manufacturer uses usb-c, every new camera from other manufacturers does, even Apple uses USB-C in their tablets and will with their next iPhone. The only advantage of the OM-5 over the EM1MIII is the form factor... Even price wise, buying the em1 in a good used shape for 300 bucks less than the OM-5
I had expected more features including a higher resolution sensor even at the expense of high frame rate. Panasonic has taken the lead there. I think 24 MP would be a fine upgrade. With the abundance of noise-mitigating software, OMDS should be considering incorporating similar into their cameras. Also, I didn't hear if it produces 10-bit video which I would prefer over including a new log. If I were an OM-D E-M5 Mkiii shooter, I would wait to upgrade as I don't see anything compelling with the OM-5.
Thanks for pointing out the custom modes. Actually I had returned the OM-D EM10 Mark IV because of it's limitations despite it's good grip and display. Also the OM-D EM5 Mark III did not convince me, when I had it in my hands last Saturday. I didn't like the display not being able to be tilted downwards from the back of the camera. It also lacked the custom modes I need for event photography and filming, in order to switch between different settings quickly. I do not understand why they cut back so many of the good features they had in earlier cameras like the Stylus 1s. Since the above mentioned cameras do not fully meet my needs, I have ordered a OM-D EM10 Mark II second hand for the time being. I am looking forward to test it. I was in hope the OM-5 might come up with some good new features such as a better touch display, a newer grip with better ergonomics as the introduced with the EM10 Mark IV and perhaps a USB-C socket with the capability to charge while using the camera. When I compared the technical specifications of the new OM-5 with those of the EM5 Mark III, I could only see very few updates, most of which could possibly also be implemented via an ordinary firmware update. What a disappointment! They have even cut back on the external BCS-5 charger (which is not included anymore). Well, I might take a look at the OM-5 too, when my local store will have it available but for now I shall become more familiar with the differences between the Stylus 1s and the EM10 Mark II.
This camera sits in the same pricepoint as Canon R7 and Fujifilm X-S10. Both has IBIS and bigger sensors which will be better in low-light. 3 points that Robin Wong allready point is the missing of a new menu, microphone input and USB-C.
I was talking about those features too in my video. I just did not find them to be as big of a problem as Robin did. I do agree about the menu. The same menu as OM-1 has would have been there. Canon R7 is a good camera no doubt. It is 300€ more than OM-5, body only. So it is a bit more expensive. Canon R7 is a APS-C and the lens line-up is quite minimal. Of course there are the FF lenses, but those are quite more money that M.Zuiko lenses for OM-5. Fuji X-S10 is about the same price. Actually 50€ less here in Finland. An other great camera. X-s10 is not weather sealed so use in bad conditions is not possible. Both of theres cameras do not have the feature set that OM-5 has. The great thing is that there are so many cameras to choose from. We can all buy the one suits are needs and budget.
I just want to make a few things clear. I do not get paid to make these reviews. I do get access to OM SYSTEM/Olympus gear as an Ambassador. I am not required to make these videos. Whtat it comes to shilling... well shilling is when someone endorses somethig WITHOUT telleing the connections to the brand. I am totally open about that I am an Ambassador. It is also shilling when you say bad things about a product and have had bad experience with the company or work for an other brand.
For me this new "middle class" Olympus makes a lot of sense. It's the OM-D E-M1iii in the body of an E-M5 plus some extras. First, I was disappointed not to see the new sensor inside. However, then the price would have been much higher and too much competition with the OM-1 I'll not buy it, as I have the OM-1 and using OM-D E-M1ii as a backup
ha! I just bought the EM5 mark iii on your recommendations (with the 12-45 pro as kit). No regrets there. I really like the starry night and handheld hi-res shot in the OM5, but I don´t go there very often anyway.
Well there's a dilemma. I bought a new Olympus OMD EM5 M III, three weeks ago. Upgrading from M5 MII purchased in 2018. I'm curious to see your in depth review and comparison. I don't obsess about gear. Timing on this is just close enough to my upgrade to make me wonder. I bought my original M5 while on a 6 month assignment in Italy in 2015. Photography was my excuse to make me get out and see the country. This series is my perfect travel camera. Thanks for these videos. I always learn something. 🙂
Cool! I got my EM5 iii in the mail this morning! Same day as the OM5 announcement popped into my email inbox. Do you like it? You'll have likely got it at a decent price. A LOT less than the OM5! I'm upgrading from EM10 ii ao it's a bog upgrade for me in functions - but the EM10 ii was metal and beautifully built.
I’d update my EM5iii in a heartbeat if this had a joystick. Other brands have joystick in the same price range cameras. Also the same old sensor is not an advantage, no matter how you look at it. Competition is VERY tough in this price segment. Nikon Z5 is a full frame camera weighting only ~200g more than OM-5. It has IBIS, weather sealing, two card slots, better AF with human/animal eye detection etc. and is same price than OM-5.
I agree Peter. The weight issue between systems is more to do with the size and weight of the lenses than the cameras. The bigger the lenses are the more heavy glass inside.
Lots of experts out there. Looks like a great camera for me. Small, light and fast. Great picture quality, stabilisation and weather-proofed to boot. What's not to like?
The lack of USB-C is a major problem. Seriously, it's such a big deal that the EU has made it compulsory for most electronic devices going forward. You say it's not a big deal since they include a cable for the obsolete port. But it is a big deal that you can't just borrow a charger if you take more photos at a child's birthday party than you expected. Fairly soon in this cameras life, none of your friends will have the right cable. Fewer and fewer stores will sell the cable. You should not consider this camera if you don't carry extra batteries. In fact, you shouldn't consider this camera until you can buy it at clearance pricing.
Usbc was a big miss. This is the last device I have that still uses micro usb. I have to carry extra cable just for this. I won’t buy anymore devices that use micro usb.
No Peter I don't agree in this case. There has to be a n e w sensor! So I'm not interested in. You already said for a while, a new sensor is necessary. I'm away from Olympus for more than 1 year. Seems to have "use of leftovers"as business policy. In my opinion this" new" camera has not enough new things and real technical development. Yes, some nice features, but act known -"the Emperor's New Clothes". But in real it stands there naked in front of all the development that other companies do. Sorry, this is my feeling...
Thanks for the review! I think I’ll just stick with me EM-5 Mark III though. I was hoping to upgrade.
The late David Thorpe used to have an expression that he used on his camera videos. "Damning with faint praise."
Nice upgrades! The handheld hi-res, webcam feature and especially no time limit in video recording maybe stand out to me most. But not upgrading to USB-C is almost inexcusable =) Will still continue with my E-M5mk3 for now.
Me too, but I don’t think I was the target for the OM5… maybe if still had my EM10iii it would be worthwhile. Yes, the OM5 really should have USB-C fitted, and the new menus. But it still wouldn’t have swayed me - I just bought a new lens instead!
I agree with Peter. The OM 5 has the important features of the OM 1, weighs less, and costs much less. What the OM 1 has that is important for bird photography is a faster processor and eye detection. As far as the small size of the 4/3rd sensor, the image quality is so good that I would only use high res if I wanted to blow up a picture large enough to hang on the wall. For all of my other uses, 20 mp is already more than I need. Both of these cameras feature exceptional in-body image stabilization and exceptional weather sealing. My OM 1 replaces a 35 mm DSLR, which was a heavy brick that I didn't carry around. The OM 1 camera is one that I actually use. It is a delight.
I’m getting back into photography and ended up getting the OM-5 even though a lot of people, and many RUclipsrs, didn’t recommend it and actually criticized it pretty harshly. I’ve had the OM-5 for a week and am loving it, it’s just perfect to take anywhere and I’m discovering features every time I use it. I’m not going to mention the full frame camera I had purchased and exchanged for it; but it just wasn’t as fun.
Great to hear. OM-5 is a great camera. Many said that it was in their opinion not enough upgrade from the previous model. That does not mean that one should not buy one.
I had exactly the same experience when I bought my OM-5. I love this camera.
Thanks for the info. The biggest deal breaker for me is the plastic top. Personal preference.
I know it's a bigger camera, but for the same price I can get a EM1 mk3, at least down here...
Does the new processor significantly improve AF?
I am toying with the idea of getting a Fuji X-S10 as a new walk around camera and handful of cheap manual lenses.
To me, the EM5mk2 still is THE classic Olympus camera as far as the look and feel are concerned.
Have a great day!
I have not made any side by side tests with the AF.
I appreciate your first impression! 👍👍
For OM System to release this camera with old menu, old usb, talk about video "features" while not adding headphone output as the first camera with their branding, it's very underwhelming. Especially after the OM1.
The OM1 impressed me a lot. Maybe that gave me false hope that this would have been a more modernizing upgrade.
I'm sure the camera is fine if it fits a person's needs. I make an EM10 3 work as best I can for birds and mostly have fun with everything else. I've been trying to figure out what would be a good upgrade for me. Em1x has nice some features but it's too large and "heavy". OM1 comes closer in features. When I really compare them and look at cost I think about switching to the R7 instead.
Overall size and weight is very important for my use which is why I'm trying to stick with m4/3.
There’s a lot to like about the OM5. It keeps the tough polycarbonate body (maybe just to annoy those who think it’s a bad thing when it isnt for most users); the smaller battery pack as used on the EM10 range (much appreciated by me who had 4 of these batteries already when I upgraded from the EM10 which is presumably the upgrade route Olympus was expecting people to take when it launched the EM5iii); the same 20MP sensor that has given me great images on my EM5iii .. the same HDR mode that is a great feature on bright days… with the addition of a couple of other features that are very tempting including upgraded IBIS, the very tempting Hand Held HiRes mode and digital NDF mode. To be honest, I’ll be sticking with the EM5iii I have for now - but that’s not unexpected. When I had a Nikon D60, I didn’t get the D3000 or D3100 when I upgraded, I got the D90, and then eventually the D610 before ditching it all for MFT. I was comparing some shots from my Nikon D610 with its 24-70mm f2.8 lens with some I took in the same location a few years later with my Olympus MFT kit. There really is not a huge difference. Whenever I think of switching to Fuji I really stop and think - what for? The IQ change really is barely noticeable. The days of getting massive leaps forward on every model is gone. It’s all about incremental changes now, probably more AI based and Olympus/OMDS seem to have a good handle on that. I’m also very appreciative of the excellent choice of MFT lenses with sizes, IQ and prices to suite everyone. So whenever I get itchy feet and think of going APSC-C FF (again) I think of the size and weight of my kit bag I carried then and and how easy it is now with MFT. I also try and remember a camera is just a tool - whatever sensor or lenses you have, if you aren’t using your eyes and mind and put some thought into capturing a great image, you aren’t going to get great results.
I agree with you. Cameras are so good nowadays there is no reason to upgrade every 2 years. I bought a om-d 10 iV
recently because the screen of the mark II broke and I decided not to pay to fix it as the camera was getting old. I chose the omd-10 because of the tilt screen and I do not need the additional options you find in the omd-5. The omd-10 is more than good enough so to say. I do enjoy the better autofocus, the better IBIS of the mark IV vs mark ii (HDR works handheld now ) etc. The "plastic" body is also nice with the new grip. Overall the mark iv is a better camera but the mark ii would continue to be fine for my use.
@@bertrandroessli7862 This! Also means that there is alot good used gear for half a money. And it comes cheaper to swap if you feel so. Unfortunately theese plasticky kinderegg bodies havent been on my used mft body upgrade list for YEARS. So it is time to enjoy something more stable what comes for aftermarkets. If I ever would come back it would be cheapo em5m2 or just a smartphone😂
A very good device but which would be welcome if the em5 mk III did not exist... HHHR and ND is very good, the Log too. But the faults of the em5 remain the same three years later (usbc, headphones, autonomy, alloy, fragility base for tripod, only one custom mode on wheel, menu...). Probably not interesting enough for owners of the em5 mkIII. And newcomers will now find this camera at half price second-hand. For my part, I will wait for the OM3 😅
Custom modes can be set to buttons. That is a huge upgrade.
@@ForsgardPeter Good news! They should add it by update in the em5mkIII as well...
I just cannot believe they didn’t put the new OM1 sensor in it. That blows my mind. :( feels like a huge missed opportunity.
Not enough to upgrade from my EM 5 III for me.
Hello Peter, thank you for the initial review and I look forward to seeing future ones on this system. As an E-M5 Mk III owner, I don’t see myself immediately upgrading to the OM-5 (absent a disaster befalling my current body), but I can say the new one does have several features I would like to have, namely the Starry AF and Live ND. I liked those features that were part of the E-M1 system when I first got the E-M5 Mk III in 2020, but as an enthusiast, I couldn’t justify spending the extra $$. Fast forward to today: the OM-5 would definitely be the system of choice for the type of photography I prefer, especially with the great lenses now available to us.
Unlike some, I have no qualms with the 12-45mm F4 Pro as one of the two lenses I regularly use (the 20mm F1.4 Pro is my other option). Great situational glass in my view, and I may yet round out my set up with the 40-150mm F4 Pro in due course.
It is not worth upgrading if you do not need the features. I like to use the 20mm F1.4 PRO with OM-5 like I like to use it with any of my cameras. 40-150mm F4 PRO is a perfect lens for OM-5.
We're now seeing the pattern. The 1 flagship camera is released, then the 5 camera gets the internal guts from the previous 1 flagship camera. So the EM5 mark 3 gets the EM1 mark 2 internals. Now the OM5 (mark 1) gets the EM1 mark 3 internals. I have an EM5 mark 3 and like its form factor and ergonomics very much. It's a beautiful small camera. I'll skip the OM5, but I would be interested in an OM5 mark 2 when I presume it will get the OM1 internals.
Exactly!
That has been the way Olympus did it.
Thank you, Peter for this instructive video. I also think that this camera is a good improvement ,and good for outdoors photography.i will certainly get one myself.
Thank you for a very good review. I think that OM SYSTEM makes a right step with OM -5. They need a smaller camera for hikers and mountaineers in the line. This camera is not for those who already have got EM 5 mark III as me. But there is a lot of people who do not have EM 5 mark III and need a camera of this type. So all the buzz about not enough large difference between them has not much sense from my point of view. In fact I like the "old" menu of Olympus very much in comparison with Lumix DC GX-9 that I used for mountaineering before.
Thanks. You are right. The target customer is the hikers etc. For them I think it is a good choice.
I Love My OM-5! I generally keep a 12-40mm 2.8 on it. It lives in a bag with My E-M1X on which I keep a 40-150 f4 pro. These two and a 60mm macro cover most all of my needs.
Well Peter you asked for it!! I’m a Nikon Z7 user having changed from Fujifilm. I have big hands and love the extra spacing of buttons and controls etc of full frame cameras. I really need to use a lens longer than 70mm so the extra weight of a full frame system is bearable at my ripe old age of 75. I also like a slow approach to well considered shots on a tripod and thus take only a few each time I go out. Clearly the OM-5 wasn’t targeted for users like me! It has some very interesting features to attract new buyers and I think OM Systems are heading down the right road by developing their computational features. Smartphones must be one of the biggest competitors and they are developing more every year. Thanks for a great video. It was good to watch.
Thank you. I think that adding the computational imaging is a good idea. It is easier to compete with smart phones.
I'm liking your improved video quality. Looks much more polished recently. Can't say the same for the new OM-5.
Thanks. I am using OM-1, but the bigger thing is most likely editing.
Peter, I love how you keep saying Olympus! 😊 Keep on doing it! It’s funny that it’s only a couple of days since I commented on another of your videos about how we both regret the loss of the Olympus name. And now, here we are: the first new “Olympus” camera without the Olympus name on it. It’s a real shame. I don’t hate the OM System branding but I do regret the loss of the long tradition of the familiar and much respected, established name. It may not make a practical difference but it does make an emotional and reputational one.
Thanks. Olympus comes out so easily.
@@ForsgardPeter Yes. Clearly, like me, when you see "OM System" you think "Olympus", and that's probably fairly unlikely to change. (I don't even want it to change, frankly. After all, the heritage is still there.)
I read another comment somewhere, saying they wished that the new name had been OLYMPIC rather than OM System. Having seen that suggestion, I have to see that I really agree with it. There may be practical reasons why it wouldn't have been possible, but it's so close… only two letters would have needed to change, the logo could remain essentially the same, many people would barely notice the difference, and Olympic means "of Olympus" in any case. Shame they didn't go that way…
That is an interesting thought to name it Olympic. Not sure like that ether. name OM SYSTEM has a point. It is part of the history.
@@ForsgardPeter Yes, it is part of history… but OM SYSTEM doesn't really seem like a brand name to me (more like a classification), and the history will be lost on all but the most dedicated Olympus users. Whereas Olympic would have been very obviously and closely related to the original, and it just seems a nicer single-word name to me. I thought it was a really good suggestion, anyway, when I read it, and I rather wished they'd gone with it. (It could have still been "OM System" within the Olympic brand.)
Anyway, it's pointless arguing about it, as the decision has been made! :-) I just thought it was a nice idea.
Like many, I was initially a little bit disappointed with this camera. Thank you for your relatively upbeat review. I think it comes down to expectations. Many of us expected a completely new camera like the OM-1 or at least revolutionary changes over the E-M5 Mark III. This did not happen. Nevertheless, the OM-5 is a more significant upgrade over its predecessor than many have been willing to admit. We should not dismiss the 20 upgrades it offers. The handheld high resolution mode especially stands out to me. Of course, I would have liked to have seen an upgraded sensor and a return to full metal construction. I will probably not replace my E-M5 Mark III anytime soon but the OM-5 will be an excellent choice for someone just starting out with Micro 4/3.
I agree that the expectations were higher. One reason is the rumors. There are things that are not correct even though they are quite accurate.
Same here, I would have liked to see some more, but I think it a quite nice upgrade. It all comes down to the fact that if someone needs/wants the features or not.
I bought the OM-5 today with the 12-100mm f4 IS Pro lens. Less portable than a shorter zoom of the 20mm 1.4, but I now only need one lens for most use cases. One important aspect is the weather and dust sealing of the system: camera body and lens. I'll be in dry dusty places in the summer, so do not want to be changing lenses in those conditions. Another reason is that I don't want to lug around a large camera and lens system. The size of the OM-5 is perfect for my needs.
Sounds like a perfect combo for you.
The rumour mill had conditioned me to expect the stacked BSI sensor in the OM-5, so for me that is a miss. I'll hang onto my EM5 iii and treat myself to DXO Real Raw to get a bit more out of the files. If you follow the Narrowband channel, you will understand that there are big changes in Micro 4/3 sensors coming, much better noise control and dynamic range etc., so I'll hold out for this tech to arrive, hopefully, in future OMDS products
I bet it's not in their next body either
When I decided to move away from the full svale DSLR Nikon range, it was because I got tired of lugging around 30 kilos plus of glass. I have not regretted the decision a single day. From the Olympus OMD EM1, up to the latest OM1, I have been thrilled by the results I have achieved in my photography. I just picked up the OM5 and I am tickled pink by the tiny body filled with functionality. Living in Norway really puts challenges to the gear you use. Heat like the Mediterranean and cold like the arctic puts everything to the grueling test of nature. I have never been let down by Olympus! I carry my cameras everywhere and just rinse them off under running water 🤗📷. I can’t wait to bring my new “buddy” out in the world as an exciting new traveling companion.
Peace out 🤗🇬🇷
Hey Peter, first great video and thank you for taking the time to highlighting some of the positives. However, I'm a bit disappointed with this camera. This should have been an opportunity for OM to bring back what the E-M5 body USED to be which was a camera that was revolutionary and different from the E-M1 bodies. I made two videos about what I think they should have done coming from a marketing and business point of view. This camera is going to be a hard sell. Especially when some of these other cameras that recycling parts or using older tech is coming out at a lower price point. If this was priced under $900(US) this maybe a good option for upgrade otherwise it'd be hard to persuade someone to choose this over something like a Canon R10 or Canon R7.
Thank you Peter for your continuing efforts to inform and educate us about OM/Olympus cameras and lenses. I own a OMD EM 5 MIII and don't see enough new features in the new OM-5 to upgrade. If OM had made some morphological (structural) changes to the physical camera, like bigger buttons on the back, joy stick, better hand grip, etc, I might have considered getting the new camera. The other upgrades aren't enough for me to shell out a lot of money for the new camera.
Thanks.
won't get me away from XE-4. No Usb c?
I have both EM5III and EM1III. I have tried the OM5 and OM1 (not extensively, I must say). To be honest, they didn't feel like a next generation cameras to me. Just not enough improvement to justify an upgrade. I'm glad that these cameras were put to the market though. It showed that the new owner is committed to continue the great tradition of Olympus.
As a first buy, definitely yes, both are great cameras.
The 20 upgrades are not enough to warrant changing from EM5iii for me, but are certainly good steps. Perhaps the next version will have the better subject tracking and a little increase in the grip size that I'd be looking for. Also, it'd be useful to have the fast charging capability of USB-C.
I agree, if you do not see that the upgrades in the features are something you need/want it is not a wise move to upgrade. Especially if you already have the E-M-5 Mark III.
Hi Peter, let me premise that I don't make videos and if I do I use the iPhone. So my thought is only for the photo compartment. If today I had to choose between this camera and a Lumix G9 I would still choose the G9. I don't argue about the cool features it has, but it seems to me a new/old camera and with the 800 euro now I buy an old/new camera. A camera that does not have perfect continuous AF but the perfect single focus, has dual card slots, has better ergonomics, and has proven quality. It has far and near focus, great personalization, and excellent stabilization. And last but not last, a good eye finder. For the same money, I add a very good lens such as can be the Leica 12-60 or the 12-35 2.8. You asked for the thoughts of those who follow you with interest and this is mine, without controversy and without factionalism. I'm just saying that for that money I expected something better. The fact that it has a micro USB is not a problem, but it says a lot about the fact that I consider it a recycling operation and an attempted modernization just because everyone was waiting for an OM5 and marketing rules. Kind regards
Great video!
I am thinking about getting the OM-5 in the future. It looks like a great camera. I think the OM-5 was critized too harshly by many youtubers and photo outlets during its release. There were two main things that were critized. The lack of USB-C and the simple branding change at the front of the camera. Personally, I never used the USB port on any of my cameras. Second, even though I do miss seeing the Olympus branding, I quite like the new OM System branding on the front. I think the upgrades are certainly substantial.
Despite what many say, I think OM System has a very bright and promising future.
Thanks. You are spot on.
I think they've missed a trick here by not putting a USB-C connection on the device and allowing clean, live video output via a USB-C port. This would really make it into a great video camera as you could then also easily use it as an input video source on your computer to act as webcam or even as a live video camera whilst streaming live.
This can be used as a Webcam. Just plug it in with USB and choose OM-5 from your software. It can be used as a camera for Livestreaming.
@@ForsgardPeter Good to know, thank you. I mentioned USB-C in the comment as the higher data transfer rates of USB-C would obviously help with live video. On another note, can you confirm, Peter, that the live video feed is clean? On the E-M10 Mk2 the feed was clean but on the E-M10 Mk3 the feed always had the battery indicator shown on the video feed no matter what. I raised this with Olympus support and the development team came back stating that they were aware of this and would consider it for the future... would be nice to hear confirmation from reviewers on this kind of thing as it kind of ruins the experience of using the E-M10 Mk3 as a live video source.
I'm hoping for more critical approach. Honestly it should be named om-10 and priced accordingly. Then it would be a great camera.
The biggest thing for me not to upgrade from my original marklll is that om system name on the camera front, I’m sticking too the classic Olympus camera brand name looks far better.
Thanks for the early review of the new OM-5 camera Peter.
The new OM-5 is from sensor, processor and thus featureset identical to EM1III just in a smaller case. The EM1III was as its time of arrival only a minor update of the EM1II. So is the OM-5 to me.
If my EM5MII breaks I may consider it as a 2nd body. More likely to happen is to replace my EM1III and make it a 2nd body with a more recent OM-1.
The "new" OM-5 seems to be a disastrous outlook into the OM system portfolio (old technology in a new body) - I hope to be wrong!
Arguing about the menu system - I fee the old one. However it's a strong message besides the micro-USB port to have even this identical to EM1III...
I really love my EM5 mk3. This looks like a fun upgrade but I would prefer to spend my money on some new M4/3 lenses (8-25 f4). I know that there is already a lot of criticism on the OM-5 not being enough of an upgrade but my thought on the OMD/Olympus system advantage is the quality, small form factor, cost and weather sealing of the OMD/Oly lenses with the camera. This is especially true of the new f4s and the 1.4 (hopefully more to come).
I just got an EM5 Mk iii in the mail today. Pleased to have it. For me it's an upgrade on my EM10 Mark ii.
Totally agree Lindsay. The EM5iii has kept me with MFT and I’ve bought some fantastic lenses from including the 8-25mm f4 (got it used which was amazing), the 45mm f1.8 and the 12-40mm f2.8. The EM5 mkiii packs some amazing features, although I loved my EM10 too!
Hello Peter,
Thx for your first Impression.
Your Videos inspire me to upgrade from a pen ep-pl 9 to EM5 Mark III
I pre-ordered the EM-5 Mark III at the Launch.
im a Outdoor Adventure Photographer, 90% of my pictures what i make when i going hiking and mountaineering. The OM1 is a great Camera but for me to expensiv, to big and heavy. I love the small Size and weight from my EM-5 Mark III.
The OM5 is a great camera but the new Features are not a game changer for me. in my opinion a good choice for people who have the older E-M5 Verions or E-M10 Versions.
Features what i personaly wish for a new update:
New Sensor Like OM1
Better Viewfinder
More AF Points
Better OIS is Nice to have but the old OIS from the EM5 Mark III works great. its not a game Changer for me.
The newer Processor is great,
Star AF, hand-held High Res and Live ND are nice to have but not a must have for me.
It appears OMD just pretty much rebranded what was out there. Not including USB-C makes me believe the intervals are the same or similar to the previous model. I don’t see this as a reason to purchase
I don’t recall seeing this video before (apologies if I did a year ago), but quite enjoyed. Camera is about $300 off right now and that prices it nicely for folks who go outdoors.
Exactly why I’m buying it. For a couple hundred more from the EM10 mIV I get a better camera and the F4 Pro lens. As a new Oly user this checks all the boxes.
A lot of the negatives I’ve seen in reviews come from comparing to the mark 3. But for someone like me, never used either, the old menu system means nothing. It is just what it has.
Didn't know how long it would take for this to be released, so got an E-M1 mkiii instead, no regrets)) also wanted something with an Olympus logo, been with them since e-400 in 2006..
Looking at purchasing this camera and really appreciate this video. Very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Using the better hardware from the EM-1 iii is not surprising. I never had any issues with the picture quality (I use Topaz software). The OM-1 made huge strides in af which was my main issue. I used a 5.3 as a second camera for less challenging situations (it's my daughters now)so this looks like a decent second camera. Paired with my 12-45mm and the 40-150mm f4 it will make a very nice carry about kit.
Terveisiä Ranskasta Peter!
Usually, I envy you a lot, because you are more than talented. But today, I don't envy you at all.
I would be quite unable to find positive things to say about this camera which is nothing else than the components (except for the USB-C port! Honestly, in 2022, how can they still dare to use micro USB???) and the software (including the old menus) of an E-M1.3 in an E-M5.3 body.
I don't forget that in its time, the E-M1. 3 was rather disappointing when it was released (even if it is still a good camera) because it brought too few improvements compared to the E-M1.2.
The OM-1 let us hope for better days, but the cold shower was not long to come...
How can OMDS continue to make the same mistakes, the ones that caused the loss of Olympus?
It's really a sad day for MFT fans...
Peter ;Thank you for this commentary .I v an EM10MARK 4 and an EM5 MARK 2 , so I shall be in the market for an upgrade in soem months time. I have to say that I don't aspire to an OM1 ,so to me this sounds like a worthwhile upgrade to consider with some features that would be new to me. It may end as a choice between an EM5 mark 3 and this new OM5 , dependent on price , trade in etc, but to date I am impressed.
Excellent video...informative and enjoyable. Thanks!
Thanks.
When I bought the OM1 (film) camera back in the 70's it wasn't because I couldn't afford the Nikon F, it because the Olympus was of a similar high quality in a smaller package. Having the capabilities of an EM1 mark 3 in the body of an EM5 I think is an admirable upgrade. Not everyone wants a larger camera body.
Perhaps OM System could do a firmware upgrade that would allow the used to use whichever menu system they prefer - the old system they are familiar with or the new system that would match the OM1 digital.
That would be cool if there was a possibility to have two different type menus for the user to choose.
I'm a but underwhelmed. Old OS / menu system, same sensor, same video specs, there's no compelling reason to upgrade from a E-M5 III, and that's already getting on in years. I think I'd look at the used market for a E-M5 III before buying one of these. I don't understand why OM released this camera; maybe simply to fill the gap created by discontinuing the E-M5 III by offering a nearly identical (if dated) replacement? Very strange.
Thanks for the video Peter. Wonderfully shot and presented as always!
Hi Peter and thank for your comment. I have the Olympus5-III I bought a few months ago for 1 100.00 $ Canadian dollars. I won't bought that new one with cost 1 600.00 canadian dollars. I like ma gear et i have e lot of fun using it. Thank for what you do. I appreciate yours comments. Bonjour de Montréal.
I agree. I also have the E-M5 Mk III and the OM-5 is not worth $500 more in my opinion.
With that price I think E-M5 Mark III is a good choice.
I still have my EM5 mark II and that is still an amazing camera to compliment my OM1. My photos were able to keep up with my girlfriends Canon 5 & 6D. Honestly, for whom OM Syetem are marketing the OM5 to, it's the perfect camera. The Live ND and Starry sky features are a great addition for adventure photographers. I am disappointed that we have the older menu system and lack of a "joystick". I also wish my EM5 II could do handheld high res, but it can't. OM5 looks to be an OK camera system. Not fancy or flashy. Great camera for beginners and mid level photographers. Will I upgrade my EM5 II to the OM5? Probably not. What I can't do with the EM5 II i can certainly do with my OM1. Great job Peter on the video and I anxiously wait to see the results of the comparison video of the OM5 with the EM5 III.
Thank you Peter, I will definitely get one to complement my Pen F, EM5 mk III and EM10 mk IV❤️❤️❤️❤️
Let's wait for Peter's practical comparison with the EM5-3. A pity OM loses momentum here but thinking positively a newer DSP along with reworked firmware and nice to have add-ons is also welcome. And the same body means no need to adjust for me if I choose to upgrade my EM5-3.
I still love my EM1 Mkii, but I would love to have this camera also with a really nice prime lens. I think I will get one. Thanks Peter!
Thanks Peter-- this is by far the most comprehensive review for this unit-- If they had upped the menu and sensor game I really might have jumped in..But since I have an EM-1 MKIII--I think I will save up for the OM-1 ---It's kind of cool that they are offering a silver finish option,, back in the film days,,it cost an additional $40 USD to get the "professional " black color for the OM-1. I have both silver and black GX-8 Lumix cameras,,but I'm selling the black and keeping the silver for the sake of nostalgia,,, to each his own I suppose. Great job of catching us up with the latest.
Thanks, I have always prefered black cameras. It is not so visible when photographing. But I can see why silver is popular, the nostalgia and it looks better.
Interesting approach. I personally like the idea of a small packaged EM1iii. Suggestions for comparing it to to EM1ii:
1.) Live Nd and HHHRes: Maximum stops and computational times (How long does it takes until I can shoot again).
2.) Focus Stacking: Maximum number of shots (5 mark3 just had 8 Vs. 15 in EM1 series) and processing time (my EM1 mark2 from 2016 is quite slow in this regard).
Looking forward to your next videos. Have a nice day 🙋
I will compare this to E-M1 Mark II in a few weeks. If I can keep the camera for a few more weeks.
Very nice camera indeed.
However, without a new sensor in the OM-5,
the EM-1 mk3 seems like a better option, with dual card slots, usb-c, external charger, 4 custom functions on mode dial, larger battery (more shots), higher burst rate, higher EVF magnification, more ergonomic grip, ...
and it's only €200 more expensive nowadays, and not that much larger/heavier than the OM-5.
Having said that, I find the retro-look chrome exterior of the OM-5 very attractive.
Hello Peter, thank you for the video! It must be very difficult, to keep smiling while promoting this camera. In my point of view buying an new camera with a 5-6 year old sensor (EM-1 ii) is a no go. So sad! 😢
I already knew Peter will promote and defend this.
Thanks. Yes I will defend some of the things that people say that are not true or are misundestood wrong. There are some valid questions about some of the choices OMDS made with this camera.
I bought an M5 Peter largly based on your videos. I also ordered a 45-150 f4 to pair it with it & I also own a 12-100 f4. Thanks for your work.
I hope you are happy with OM-5.
Looks to me like a firmware update to original em5 iii. Starie sky should have been in mkiii. Along with focus improvements and Nd filter. Not impressed to be honest.
Many of those features would not be possible in E-M5 Mark III. The processor cannot handle those. Truepic IX is needed.
@@ForsgardPeter You are correct. I do feel em5mkiii did not get firmware updates it deserved though. USB c should really be in the new body. Shame I wanted to love this camera but it is stuck with old menus and no subject detection for animals etc. Feels a lost opportunity.
It's the E-M5 mark iv with a new name. Nothing wrong with that. They have updated the firmware (and the image processor from TruePic VIII to TruePic IX). Many people seem to love their E-M5iii so I expect this camera will be a hit as well. It's amazing they've managed to keep the price the same as the original E-M5iii. I do hope that they've fixed the weak baseplate issue that many have had crack when using to mount a carry strap to the tripod mount.
The price is actually lower if we consider inflation and the purhasing power of wages.
@@ForsgardPeter Have they updated the baseplate of the OM-5? or is it still plastic
I think it is the same. I have only a few problems with that. Out of quite many sold. The cases have been when people have carried the camera attached to tripod and hit something. The problem has been a minor problem. I did have had a E-M5 Mark III for over a year. It was not mine. It was from Olympus for testing. Used a tripod when making video and had zero problems.
I agree that Olympus should have looked into that problem. They have not talked about it at all.
Have you had a problem with it?
Thank you Peter! Your video on the OM5 is the most thorough ive seen, thank you! Mark
Wow, thanks!
very similar camera to mine think I'll wait until they produce something special great talk as usual, I always follow your lectures very honest and up front
This does not convince me to ditch my Panasonic DC-G9.
UK’s Amateur Photographer magazine has given the OM-5 a 5 star review and ‘Highly Recommended’ grading. From my point of view as an EM5iii user, I already got the better AF, processor, HDR, better IBIS, when I upgraded from my EM10 so I will be sticking to the EM5iii for now. I guess the days of us buying a new body every few years is over. But I think for anyone looking to come to MFT, the OM-5 has a lot to recommend it. People will bitch about the ‘plastic’ body, ‘small batteries’, the sensor not being upgraded but the performance difference would,be marginal and in fact the IQ from the EM5iii is already good.
USB-C is a huge advantage with transfer speed and charging. Blown away that they'd do this. Nothing made in the past 3-4 years has any business using mini USB ports
Yup, it is on order, so I am getting one. The all-black version. Can't wait for it to arrive. Not too long now, providing the shipping dates aren't delayed. I have a couple of photography events coming up and look forward to using this camera for them.
Great to hear. I also prefer the black version. The silver one is quite stylish, but it sticks out, and I want my camera to be as "invisible" as possible.
OM-5 menu system. I have an EM10m4. If I get the new OM-5, I would keep my EM10 as an alternate camera. So I would consider having the same (or similar) menu system on both cameras to be a feature, not a drawback. I think the same would apply to many owners of prior Olympus gear.
That is most likely the reason they used the older menu. It is more familiar to users that come from OM-10 Mark IV and E-5 older models.
I agree with the other comments: this is a pathetic release and it's obvious that OM Systems decided they needed to release "something" to expand their lineup. I have an EM-5 Mark iii and I see nothing but trivial enhancements; certainly nothing to incentivize me to upgrade. In most situations, the step-down version of a flagship camera is essentially the flagship without some of the best specs. Perhaps the max FPS is 40 instead of 120; or the write speed is slower; that sort of thing. Instead, OMS decided to add the (useless for most users) computational ND filter but not the (more useful) subject detection. The OM-5 is just an EM-5 with a couple of ho-hum changes. I have no idea why anyone would upgrade from an older EM-5 or EM-1 to this body.
What sort of groundbreaking upgrade do you want?
@@jf9979 I can give you a laundry list of upgrades for the flagship OM-1, starting with a sensor that is > 20 megapixels. People say that this is the limit of M43 but Panasonic now has 24 megapixels in their M43 system. As a bird photographer who is often shooting subjects that are 3 inches long from a range of 50 feet or more, even with the great range of the Olympus glass I sometimes need to do extensive cropping; at 20 megapixels I often lose way too much resolution for a keepable image.
What would also be useful is something that overcomes the noise and poor low-light performance inherent to M43. Yes, the hand-held high resolution mode can be helpful, but only in a small minority of scenarios; the feature is useless if there is any movement in the subject.
In terms of the OM-5, the "proper" thing to have done would be to make it a slimmed down version of the OM-1. If they merely Incorporated the newer sensor and menu system while maintaining the other advances over the OMD-EM5iii, this camera would have been much better received. But instead they chose to release what amounts to me the OMD-EM5iv which was already in the works.
They should bring a OM “New Generation” Camera. The OM-5 deserved the new Menu system; USB-C as a “minimum“. The new sensor , from the OM-1, would really give us the new generation Camera feeling! But they brought us cold coffee! Anyway, the OM-5 is a good Camera, and will give OMS time, bringing a little update, with NO investment, for future projects! Hopefully they will make money and will bring innovative and good products in the future.
But is this pathetic to those who already own EM gear or those wanting to get into it? This seems more like they're clearing inventory and I'm sure their coming offerings will be more innovating
@@odemata87 not too sure about new innovation. Camera companies are trying to reinvent the wheel at this point.
My next camera is a secondhand EM1 mk3, less cost than the OM-5 all the features of the OM-5, plus more it's a much better camera. I wish OM Systems well but think they've under delivered with the OM-5.
E-M1 Mark III is a good choice.
Thanks Peter, what a brilliant camera!
I don't want my critique of the camera release to be understood as critique on your video. I think your insights are great and your long lasting impressions with the brand help see the positive in this release. It's helpful to see you talk about the camera when trying to understand why they did what they did - and in this it's a great video!
At the same time, I can't see the appeal in this camera. We could again talk about how gear is not everything and how hold things don't become worse just because newer, better things exist, but this camera simply feels off. The first issue I have is with the price tag for what we get here. The OM-5 sounds more like a mid-range model between the lower line OM-10 we might see and the top shelf OM-1. But for that target group, the price feels a bit high - especially compared to a lot of the competition at this price point.
Of course, a price can only be "too high" if the delivered features are not enough for what you pay and sadly, all the small, nice and indeed very good upgrades here don't reflect the prive to me. Compared to the E-M5 you gain so little that is not a specific software feature that paying the additional cost of about 300€ (in my region) compared to this newer body simply is hard to justify.
The lacking new hardware, outside of the processor, is simply a cherry on top for people not considering to upgrade. The old sensor, no USB-C and even the old menus are all things that could have been changed especially with the new processor. Looking at the USB situation in 2022 makes me sad how "inconsiderate" this body is to the user and having the old menus simply make it feel like a neglected, overlooked development. Why isn't there support for those non-cost measures when we do have the better processor? I hear people say "the old USB port shouldn't be a problem for photography as it has no direct impact on how good the camera is", but it supports my point of a lot of features feeling like compulsive oversights - and so does the old menu.
My other gripes are with the video features. I know we shouldn't expect them to deliver the same features like the OM-1, but having only 8bit video at this price point can't hold up to the competition. It also makes no sense since we do have more computing power now and the codec already exists. A lot comes down to the old sensor, which is still a very capable piece of tech, but sadly also quite outdated, especially when looking at the asked price. I guess sourcing a new one might have exploded the cost even more and isn't feasible at this point for OM-System, but it hinders the progress we could have expected. Price for it being still the biggest issue and less the quality of the sensor.
I guess time will tell how good this model will resonate with the customers. I'm sure there's people that like it and I'm happy for them. I can also see that it's important to OM-Systems to finally have an OM-5 in their line with their name on it - even if that means mostly copying what already existed. Seeing this camera as a rebrand to fill the hole in the marketing line up makes me feel better about it, rather than expecting it to be the same kind of upgrade the OM-1 was. I just have a hard time seeing all the good when the competition, even from the own Olympus line, is so strong.
So to give a TL:DR:
Great video, good points and much appreciated information! On the other side, a questionable, yet understandable release with a disappointing price point and physical feature set. If someone needs the specific upgrades in software, more power to them - great camera. For everything else, it's feeling like a really tiny step - even if it's in the right direction.
You are basically disguising the term - BIAS with your nice words. This isn't an objective camera tech channel, it's all about OLYMPUS.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH I know Peter loves his Olympus gear and thus does have an inevitable bias, but with his bias also comes experience in the system and factual correctness through the press release. I think his points are valid and seeing the good in the system is certainly possible, but I also still think the camera is a weird choice of parts, price and release timing.
Thanks for your comment. Very good points and well formated comment.
@DeepteshLovesTECH I have never said that it is a non bias channel. It is all out there and open. I am an OM SYSTEM Ambassador. I do have quite a long history with OM-D cameras and also with Olympus and OMDS companies. I have some understanding what they think and why the camera is like it is. Some might think that it is not a good camera and that is ok.
I think it is the right direction. But keeping the old menusystem is wrong. It makes it difficult to buy this as a backup for OM-1.
I agree that the choice of menu system was a wrong one. It will be interesting to hear why they chose that road. Some say that it is the processor, but I have not heard anything from OMDS yet.
When the first real feature improvement you mention is weather sealing being slightly better (the E-M5mkiii had excellent weather sealing too, even on the OM site) the camera is a sad improvement. Take these tiny ticks here and there but at least use the SAME sensor as the OM-1 and you're doing WAY better. But no, they cheapened out and probably wont give you a battery charger on this either.
They wouldn't be able to make a camera at this price point with the OM-1 sensor, but people might have been happier with a more expensive OM-1 like camera that's downsized.
@@fgrep15 And they won't get the price of the OM-1 sensor cheaper without selling more of those sensors, and thus ordering more of them from Sony. OM really hasn't done anything yet. The OM-1 was all done by Olympus beforehand, so OM is just skimping by.
I am also disappointed. This more feels like an EM5MK3s than an OM5. Why no new Menu System? Or a better EVF? Just a few new AF Features from the OM1? Headphone Jack? Or a Joystick? USB-C? This could have been sooo much better for a smaller Body than it is
I would like to upgrade to this from my om5 Mk 2 which isn't the fastest for computational photographing (e.g. focus bracketing). From that camera it's IMO an reasonable upgrade
It is a huge upgrade for E-M5 Mark II.
Thank you Peter. I am comparing with Panasonic G9 MK1. Very helpful.
Nice camera.
I already have the OM-1, E-M1.3, Pen-F, and E-PL9 with lots of great glass.
I would buy this camera for my teenage daughter. She's just getting into photography. She's using an old Nikon D40 with kit lenses. If she continues with photography, I think this would be a great camera for her.
I think so too. This would be a great choice.
Interesting move by OMDS. Having a light weight camera in the system is perfect, though the improvements over the EM5.3 are straight out of the EM1.3 parts bin. Looks like the weight is identical to the EM5.3, so I am assuming the same high quality resin outer body as the EM5.3 (with the possibility of the tripod socket failing if used with Peak Design capture clip). Also they should of used a USB connector and incorporated a joy stick.
I am glad I upgraded my original EM1 to a as new EM1.3 just a couple of weeks ago, less expensive than the OM5, more capable field camera.
I think you likely made a really good move. I got an EM5 Mk iii this morning. If I'd had a little more cash I would have gone for the EM1 Mark ii though I do like the small form factor of the EM10 ii so the EM5 iii was a natural upgrade especially with a warranty while it can still be had new.
The OM-1 was announced as a Wow camera. Very good camera, but far from Wow! Now the OM-5 comes with the E-M1 mk3 processor, but with a sensor that was already outdated when the E-M1 mk3 came out. The same sensor is in the EM-1 mk2. (September 2016) I'm not sure, but I think it's the sensor from the PEN-F (January 2016). Let's be realistic, OM-5 brought absolutely nothing new. All the features are old and crippled. I am disappointed I cannot express how disappointed I am!
It seems kind of opposite of WOW. Maybe a MOM camera.
Peter, thanks for the review. I really like the silver frame look of the new camera. I am a bit disappointed in the menu system. The OM-1 has a nicer menu system in my opinion. I don't shoot video, but I really appreciate your comments on the video of this new camera, and I must agree. Good video is becoming more and more important. It's looking cold in Finland. Bundle up!
Thanks. It is getting colder, but I kind of like these temperatures when it is around 8-10C.
I'm attracted by this camera. Was counting on getting a Panasonic G95 as a compact and practical travel camera. But might wait for this to have a drop in price because it has more features that make it even more practical such as the handheld live ND and High res shot, the starry sky and other. Not concerned with video and the fact that it has a micro usb port.
I pre-ordered the black one today. Can't wait to go outdoors. Lightweight, great. Now having a Nikon D7500, which is pretty heavy. So, I hope that I am going to live this new beauty.
Good to hear.
Thank you Peter, excellent review. I like the clear way you explain camera features. Nice camera. My Menu and Custom Function buttons, Starry Sky AF and Live ND are all welcome upgrades and the camera remains compact. I tried OM 12-45 f4 lens, wow really sharp! Fits well on the OM5. Nice background scenery in your Finnish forest in the video.
Great to hear!
If you only have one m43 body this would be a pretty good choice. I suspect though, a good number of us already own an E-m1 series body or an OM-1 and this would serve as a back up body, a travel body or just kicking around when you don't want to carry the larger body. If I'm planing on doing some "serious" photography (landscape or birding) I'm bringing the bigger body. Bottom line, for my use case, this new body offers very little to make it worth the extra money over an E-M5 II or III. Just my opinion. Saved myself some money too!
It all comes down to features. If you do not need them then upgrading is not necessary.
Bit disappointed with the old menues and no USB C.
I agree with the old menu system. That is a bit odd that they did not add the new one.
I just got one and looking forward to exploring it.
I like what they are doing with computational tech.
I think that is the right direction. OMDS needs to take leaps in that technology.
@@ForsgardPeter for that i know if i can say that, OM System guys are not having a good time but they keep on working yes I want to see what they can do with more resources as they know how to innovate, how to bring things you may not even realize you would have wanted. But I will only add that I want them to stay :)
Bonjour, je garde mon OM -E M 5 marrck III qui est super
Merci pour cette vidéo
No usb c, it's almost 2023... Recycled em13.., they should have added a 3.6mil dots evf, type c and USB pd
Looks interesting, of sorts. If I understand it correctly it is basically a EM-1MkIII repacked into a smaller body with a few tweaks/upgrades? Explains the blow-out prices on the MkIIIs over here lately, then. I have pondered getting one of those, but if the prices are on par with what is suggested here, I could see the OM-5 being a very attractive alternative, to a new(ish) 1 MkIII, depending on how it feels in the hand.
but the 1MkIII got USB-C and a much better Battery...
@@stefanbracke4792 USB-C or B, I find that a rather mooth point, as such. The better battery ? Perhaps, but is it really that much of a hassle to carry a spare, which is good practice anyhow? 🙂
@@JensMHA at least for me, micro-usb is completely outdated. It's charging slowly and it's an additional cable I have to carry. Every smartphone manufacturer uses usb-c, every new camera from other manufacturers does, even Apple uses USB-C in their tablets and will with their next iPhone.
The only advantage of the OM-5 over the EM1MIII is the form factor... Even price wise, buying the em1 in a good used shape for 300 bucks less than the OM-5
I had expected more features including a higher resolution sensor even at the expense of high frame rate. Panasonic has taken the lead there. I think 24 MP would be a fine upgrade. With the abundance of noise-mitigating software, OMDS should be considering incorporating similar into their cameras. Also, I didn't hear if it produces 10-bit video which I would prefer over including a new log. If I were an OM-D E-M5 Mkiii shooter, I would wait to upgrade as I don't see anything compelling with the OM-5.
A new sensor would have been nice. I personally do not need more than 20Mpix, but from a selling point more Mpix would not hurt.
Thanks for pointing out the custom modes. Actually I had returned the OM-D EM10 Mark IV because of it's limitations despite it's good grip and display. Also the OM-D EM5 Mark III did not convince me, when I had it in my hands last Saturday. I didn't like the display not being able to be tilted downwards from the back of the camera. It also lacked the custom modes I need for event photography and filming, in order to switch between different settings quickly. I do not understand why they cut back so many of the good features they had in earlier cameras like the Stylus 1s. Since the above mentioned cameras do not fully meet my needs, I have ordered a OM-D EM10 Mark II second hand for the time being. I am looking forward to test it. I was in hope the OM-5 might come up with some good new features such as a better touch display, a newer grip with better ergonomics as the introduced with the EM10 Mark IV and perhaps a USB-C socket with the capability to charge while using the camera. When I compared the technical specifications of the new OM-5 with those of the EM5 Mark III, I could only see very few updates, most of which could possibly also be implemented via an ordinary firmware update. What a disappointment! They have even cut back on the external BCS-5 charger (which is not included anymore). Well, I might take a look at the OM-5 too, when my local store will have it available but for now I shall become more familiar with the differences between the Stylus 1s and the EM10 Mark II.
This camera sits in the same pricepoint as Canon R7 and Fujifilm X-S10. Both has IBIS and bigger sensors which will be better in low-light. 3 points that Robin Wong allready point is the missing of a new menu, microphone input and USB-C.
I was talking about those features too in my video. I just did not find them to be as big of a problem as Robin did. I do agree about the menu. The same menu as OM-1 has would have been there.
Canon R7 is a good camera no doubt. It is 300€ more than OM-5, body only. So it is a bit more expensive. Canon R7 is a APS-C and the lens line-up is quite minimal. Of course there are the FF lenses, but those are quite more money that M.Zuiko lenses for OM-5. Fuji X-S10 is about the same price. Actually 50€ less here in Finland. An other great camera. X-s10 is not weather sealed so use in bad conditions is not possible. Both of theres cameras do not have the feature set that OM-5 has.
The great thing is that there are so many cameras to choose from. We can all buy the one suits are needs and budget.
I just want to make a few things clear. I do not get paid to make these reviews. I do get access to OM SYSTEM/Olympus gear as an Ambassador. I am not required to make these videos.
Whtat it comes to shilling... well shilling is when someone endorses somethig WITHOUT telleing the connections to the brand. I am totally open about that I am an Ambassador. It is also shilling when you say bad things about a product and have had bad experience with the company or work for an other brand.
Hej Peter! Peter här. Tycker att du gjorde en bra video trots att cdet inte riktigt var vad som förväntades. Du är en bra ambasadör för OM Systems! :)
Tack även om jag inte är säker på om detta är sarkasm? 😀
@@ForsgardPeter Nej, det är min ärliga mening Peter. Du gör ett kanonfint jobb som ambasadör! :)
kanonfint eller canonfint! 😀
For me this new "middle class" Olympus makes a lot of sense. It's the OM-D E-M1iii in the body of an E-M5 plus some extras.
First, I was disappointed not to see the new sensor inside. However, then the price would have been much higher and too much competition with the OM-1
I'll not buy it, as I have the OM-1 and using OM-D E-M1ii as a backup
ha! I just bought the EM5 mark iii on your recommendations (with the 12-45 pro as kit). No regrets there. I really like the starry night and handheld hi-res shot in the OM5, but I don´t go there very often anyway.
Well there's a dilemma.
I bought a new Olympus OMD EM5 M III, three weeks ago. Upgrading from M5 MII purchased in 2018.
I'm curious to see your in depth review and comparison.
I don't obsess about gear. Timing on this is just close enough to my upgrade to make me wonder. I bought my original M5 while on a 6 month assignment in Italy in 2015. Photography was my excuse to make me get out and see the country. This series is my perfect travel camera.
Thanks for these videos. I always learn something. 🙂
Cool! I got my EM5 iii in the mail this morning! Same day as the OM5 announcement popped into my email inbox. Do you like it? You'll have likely got it at a decent price. A LOT less than the OM5! I'm upgrading from EM10 ii ao it's a bog upgrade for me in functions - but the EM10 ii was metal and beautifully built.
I’d update my EM5iii in a heartbeat if this had a joystick. Other brands have joystick in the same price range cameras. Also the same old sensor is not an advantage, no matter how you look at it. Competition is VERY tough in this price segment. Nikon Z5 is a full frame camera weighting only ~200g more than OM-5. It has IBIS, weather sealing, two card slots, better AF with human/animal eye detection etc. and is same price than OM-5.
200g is this weight range is quite a lot. Adding the bigger lenses there is even more difference. Of course if Z5 feels better why not?
I agree Peter. The weight issue between systems is more to do with the size and weight of the lenses than the cameras. The bigger the lenses are the more heavy glass inside.
I'll be sticking with my M5 mk3, I gave 800 GBP for it lsst year, 2 years old with the 12-200 lens, all mint and boxed.
Lots of experts out there. Looks like a great camera for me. Small, light and fast. Great picture quality, stabilisation and weather-proofed to boot. What's not to like?
The lack of USB-C is a major problem. Seriously, it's such a big deal that the EU has made it compulsory for most electronic devices going forward.
You say it's not a big deal since they include a cable for the obsolete port. But it is a big deal that you can't just borrow a charger if you take more photos at a child's birthday party than you expected. Fairly soon in this cameras life, none of your friends will have the right cable. Fewer and fewer stores will sell the cable.
You should not consider this camera if you don't carry extra batteries. In fact, you shouldn't consider this camera until you can buy it at clearance pricing.
Usbc was a big miss. This is the last device I have that still uses micro usb. I have to carry extra cable just for this. I won’t buy anymore devices that use micro usb.
Is it true that if the EM5 Mk3 firmware was updated the only real difference would be sealing. Perhaps the firmware upgrade could be for a price.
No, because the computational features requires a newer processor. The upgrade would not be possible with the older Truepic.
No Peter I don't agree in this case. There has to be a n e w sensor!
So I'm not interested in. You already said for a while, a new sensor is necessary.
I'm away from Olympus for more than 1 year. Seems to have "use of leftovers"as business policy.
In my opinion this" new" camera has not enough new things and real technical development.
Yes, some nice features, but act known -"the Emperor's New Clothes".
But in real it stands there naked in front of all the development that other companies do.
Sorry, this is my feeling...
I agree that a new sensor would be nice. It would propably sell more.