For people who want to constantly upgrade their equipment the OM5 might have been a disappointment, but for people who are looking for a camera with a lot of nice features and a nice compact form factor it is a fine camera. I am still using the original em5 and em5ii because they do everything I need a camera to do. If they are lost or damaged I would consider replacing them with a newer model, but until that happens I will continue to use them. Peter I always appreciate your videos for their honesty and valuable content, thank you!
Thank you for another excellent video. I am the target audience for OM5 and am very excited about it. I am an older, female, hobby photographer for whom weight and portability are extremely important features. The OM5 has everything I have wanted in a lightweight hiking and adventure camera. I intend to get one.
I didn't mock the OM-5 for having micro-USB. I pointed out that charging the camera is not new, the 5.3 had it. Also that it isn't a special feature, it is standard these days. I really do like this OM-5. It is a nicely sized E-M1 III. But the micro-USB, old menus and no improvement in body construction, these are factors that are a bit disappointing. For those who made comments about you Peter, they are indeed unfair. We know you are an OM guy but even so, you still give your opinion. In any case I watch a range of reviews and make up my own mind. Keep making the videos, you are doing a great job.
I was okay with the idea of the OM-5 being a modest upgrade, but it's pretty much the same camera with a new logo. At the very least they could have added USB-C.
That is something that I agree with, mainly because I want USB-C PD capabilities (to power the camera, not just recharge it while it is off) and I'd also like higher transfer speeds than USB2.0. I think their decision to reuse the exact same body shell as Em5 precluded changing any of the connectors.
I agree. Difficult to be really sure as I don't have one, but from the reviews etc I've seen it just seems to be essentially a re-badge with a few tweaks OK I guess if the want to re-badge the whole system but don't tout it as a big jump.
Exactly. I find it hard to see why people dont understand how disappointing it was. The camera its self is ok but its nearly 2023 and we are still on a 2mp EVF and below par tracking. Also still stuck on the plastic body which they absolutely did to save money not weight.
Potentially OM Systems didn’t manage expectations well (thanks to the rumour mill), but from what I can see they have managed to stuff an em1 mk3 into an om5 body - that’s a great achievement considering you only have to sacrifice a card slot! Take the om1 out of the picture and then the om5 is a stylish, powerful camera.
Thanks for your helpful review. I decided to risk of spending the money to update from Olympus OMD5 Mk3. After a couple of hours of use as the official photographer for a concert, I found it provided a significant improvement in focusing speed and accuracy - an important feature for me. The battery life also seems to be improved. It was very lightweight with the 12-45 mm f4 lens fitted and worked well in conjunction with my OM Sytems OM1 with a 40-150mm f4 lens fitted. I couldn't distinguish any difference in picture quality between the two with a maximum ISO set at 1600 on both of these OM Sytems cameras.
Nice job. Don’t get too hung up on negative comments. While we may not agree with everything you say, your point of view is valuable and thought provoking. I use a LUMIX G9 and Nikon Z7ii and still find your videos well worth watching. Keep up the good work.
Great explanation, Peter. This is exactly how Apple market the iPhones. We live in a consumer driven society, and it is extremely challenging to please everyone. The strategy is the right one.
First, thank you for doing what you do. I am a longtime user of Micro 4:3 cameras, and I still think it is a perfect solution for 90 percent of the people out there, based on abilities, price and weight. (I do own a FF for those times I need more, but it mostly sits in a bag in reserve.) As of the OM 5, I agree with you, there were a lot of crazy rumors out there that built up expectations. I think a lot of people were expecting a mini OM1, but the new company followed an existing pattern by putting most of the goods of the EM-1iii into the 5. This may be because the camera was already on the boards when the new company took over, or that they wanted to maintain the levels of differentiation with the flagship 1 line vs. the 5. I do with they had made the menu system universal, and kind of hope they do in a firmware update. But that would require a lot of new coding. I also with that they had put a USB-C connection. I think these are items you wished for, as well. Anyway, keep up the good work. I always look forward to your reviews.
Looks like a good entry for a light and compact system overall. USB-C would definitely be helpful but it's not a deal breaker given the features you're getting I feel
I’m not disappointed with the new OM-5. If I had not already got a e-m5 mk3 I would buy this camera. It is aimed at intermediate, casual photographers. I like the new features, yes would have preferred usb-c, just because that’s the cables I have and my Mac has & also I like the OM-1 menus better, but it is a great little camera. As Peter said, it is aimed at people like me, who are into enjoying photography in its many forms, but not wanting to spend £2K on a body yet. Like I said if I was buying now I would get this, I like my e-m5 mk3. Yes my path of upgrade is to OM-1, just like if I owned the OM-5, my path of upgrade would be OM-1, not e-m5 to OM-5, unless you have a e-m5 mk1 /2 model. I love the format, design and weight. Just think who the camera is for, it’s an upgrade from epl or e-m10 users. Everybody would want an OM-1 at om-5 price, but this is not an OM-1, no matter how much you would like it to be. This camera is for just above beginner to good intermediate users. Just look at the features for an intermediate users new camera, it is blinking good, not perfect, but lovely all the same.
The EM5iii is a mini version of the EM1ii. The OM5 is a mini version of the EM1iii. Same development path! When all the rumours started circulating about the OM5 having the same sensor and AF as the OM1, the question I kept asking myself was "How is OMDS going to differentiate between this and the OM1 and not cannibalise sales of the OM1?" Consequently, I was not surprised by the specs when it was announced. From the perspective of OMDS it makes sense. I have an EM5iii. It goes everywhere with me, including on my motorcycle adventure trips. The plastic body is still good (how many failures were there in actuality? I know of 4, and they were all associated with heavy lenses and the same tripod). I don't care about USB charging. I have a spare battery which I charge in a proper charger (supplied with the camera) whilst I'm out and about taking photos. I know many people who, like me, are not getting any younger. I see 2 target markets for the OM5 - adventurous people, and people who want a small, competent light camera with good features and many available lenses. Yes, the OM1 menu system would be nice, but its not a deal breaker.
Some speculation based on the logic of my previous post... As noted, the EM5iii is a mini EM1ii with the OM5 being a mini EM1iii. If OMDS follows this development path then when the OM1ii is released in 3+ years, possibly with a higher res sensor, then the OM5ii could be a mini OM1. From a corporate perspective this makes a lot of sense. It keeps the OM1 series as the flagship model but keeps development costs of the second tier camera (OM5) to a minimum, so keeping the sales price down.
I not sure I can add anything to this argument. There is no such thing as the perfect camera for all people. I think it will be a very nice camera for its target market. Personally, I want the OM1 but I have told two people I know who are in the market for “real” cameras (they use their iPhones now) to look into the OM5 because I like the camera is a good match for them and what they want out of a camera system. Keep up the great work, love your videos! 😀
Oops; sorry Bruce, I meant to post this to the general public. I was reading your post and didn’t realize I hadn’t returned to the main screen yet. By the way, I like your post. Your comments are right on point. Now it’s time for me to do the “copy/paste”- thingy. Sorry to have bothered you with my wrongly placed comment, I guess it’s the modern day equivalent of the “wrong phone” mistake, haha. Have a great day!
Peter stay as you are. So many are only commenting to harm someone. I have a big Full frame with a great Zoom Lens an think every day to take it with me out. I ordered Yesterday the OM-5 ... not because it is a perfekt camera but it is tiny and can fit 98% of my needs. Thx for your videos
I think what you brought up are all fair points. As a newish M43 user, im stunned by what this system is capable of. I think ppl need to be waist deep into the system (really committed) to understand the advantages and market positioning of the OM-5.
Great video with some very good points. I have the OM-5 on pre-order and will trade in my E-M1 MkIII for it. My E-M1 MkIII haven't been used in 7 months ever since I traded in my E-M1X for the OM-1. I love my OM-1. The issue with the E-M1 MkIII is that it doesn't do anything better than what the OM-1 can do better. The OM-5 can nearly do everything the E-M1 MkIII can do and is a smaller camera. Because of the smaller size I can see several usage for it. One is to use is a two-camera kit for wildlife with the OM-5 it with the 12-100/4.0 lens along with the OM-1 with the 150-400/4.5 lens. The other is just to have a kit with the OM-5 and the 12-45/4.0 and the 20/1.4 with me on non-photographic specific outings where compact size is important. Yes, I would have loved to see the OM-5 with USB-C PD. I believe the new menu system was made for the TruePic 10 processor and would have been difficult to have on the TruePic 9 processor. If the TruePic 10 processor was used it might have required a larger battery, which would have required making a slightly larger camera. With the price difference between the OM-1 and the OM-5 I expect to see an OM-3 in the future, which might be more in line with the wild rumors.
David, you are making a huge mistake. See my comment on this video. You are downgrading and you're paying good money for downgrading from a better camera to a worse camera. The E-M1 III has the much better body. The E-M1 III has much more powerful drive modes (about twice as many frames per second on both mechanical and electronic shutter). The E-M1 III has the better viewfinder. And more. It does not make sense to trade an E-M1 III against an OM-5. The only way this made sense if you made money off that trade. Which you won't since the OM-5 is a new camera.
@@weisserth I have not used my E-M1 MkIII in the 7 months since getting the OM-1. The OM-1 does everything better than the E-M1 MkIII. Yes, the E-M1 MkIII is a better camera in most ways than the OM-5. Still I have a use case for a smaller camera when my OM-1 is too large. I have no use case for the E-M1 MkIII, it just sits in a box waiting for the OM-1 to break.
We all have different needs. I agree that E-M1 Mark III is a better camera than OM-5. On the other hand they have almost put the E-M1 Mark III is a smaller body. That smaller and lighter body could the decisive thing. Especially if E-M1 Mark III has been sitting in the box. That happened to me too. After getting OM-1 I have not used my E-M1 Mark III at all.
@@p.io7 Both true. The E-M1 MkIII is a better camera and a better fit for the 12-100/4.0. I got the OM-1 which is even a better camera than the E-M1 MkIII for most of my photographic usage and professional photographic needs. That is why my E-M1 MkIII has not been used in the 7 months since buying the OM-1. What I am looking for is a small camera for my non-photographic needs. One case is when out on a wildlife photographic outing when mostly using my OM-1 with the 150-400/4.5 I will have a OM-5 with the 12-100/4.0 stuck in the corner of the backpack for an occasional snapshot. The most likely use will be on non-photographic outings where the kit will be the OM-5 with the 12-45/4.0 and the 20/1.4. I can still sell my never used anymore E-M1 MkIII for a fairly good price and get a camera that I can use when the OM-1 is too much camera.
I think you're missing the mark on 'I don't think the target OM-S user is going to be bothered by it' and alluding to the target being an outdoorsy person wanting to capture pictures when they're on their adventure. I was the customer target before OM-S took over -- I'm an avid outdoors person, I do camping and through hiking. I went Olympus for compactness, weight, general ruggedness, ideal for outdoor use. We're not going on trip Lisbon staying in a hotel; we're spending a week or more in a large wilderness park in the middle of Quebec. USB-C is not the end of the world but *it is* one less cable to carry and deal with. People who are going on outdoors adventures are very mindful about what we're carrying. USB C is the cable on the few other electronic devices I take and my EM-5 mk 3 is the second-to-last device I use regularly outdoors that uses a non C cable (my Garmin watch being the last -- which lasts over a week on a single charge so it's less of a bother to forget that cable). Even my headlamp charges via a C cable. I truly believe it is a fair concern that JIP/OM-S is going to half-ass the cameras like what happened with the Sony Viao lineup. I think the lack of USB C (and not using the same OS as OM-1) signals to the non-ambassador fans and people invested in Olympus gear -- like me -- that OM-S is just "phoning it in" and not going to take camera development seriously.
It kinda looks that way unfortunately, An upgrade doing the least amount of work possible. Their *next* camera will be most telling. If it's just a lukewarm "OM-10", then it's game over I think. I have the E-M5 Mk III and there's no compelling reason to spend good $$$ upgrading to this.
OM-10 will be even harder to sell. The only way is to find the right audience and that is the hard part. I think the most important thing is to develop the OM-1 series cameras. If it sells then I think OMDS is good, no matter how OM-5 or the possible OM-10 sells. You do not need to be popular in every category of cameras to have success. A small niche camera can also work.
I am very disappointed that some people criticised you in a very unfair way. You are always clear and honest and certainly do not deserve that. Regarding your assessment, I found it to be balanced and well taken. Given the targeted public of customers, the features of the OM 5 are well chosen as you said.Personally, as a happy owner of an EM 5 Mk II and an EM 1 Mk II, I am so satisfied with the photos that I can take with these two cameras that I do not intend to replace them in any near future. And I am aware that I do not even exploit all the features of both! My hope is is that OMDS will be successful in acquiring new customers, which will support its financial stability, for the benefit of all Olympus and OMD fans. Keep up the good work, Peter, and thank you for your outstanding videos.
Good clarification Peter. The OM-5 is an excellent camera in its own right, full featured for it's price. But for me, already owning an EM-5 iii and EM-1 iii, it doesn't offer any added value. However, it's a great blend of the best features of both of these cameras, so it's an worthwhile upgrade from EM-10, EM-5 ii and even EM-1 ii or PEN-F ... or perhaps to have as a second camera (as a backup).
Hi Peter, thank you for your review and discussion of this camera. As a walker and family man seeking to create memories and learn a new skill I believe this camera is for me. I’ll be purchasing the camera with a kit lens and look forward to watching more of your videos. Take care and stay safe 👍🏼
Thanks again Peter. The OM5 is a brilliant camera, so portable and loaded with features. It's funny to think back to 'EM5 III' launch, some reviewers said it didn't have 'Live ND, no My Menu system, no Starry Sky AF' - OM5 now has all of these and more! Can now assign Custom buttons too. Great functionality. 12-45 & 40-150 f4 Lenses are sharp and agile with this camera too. Yes just depends on the user, for me Lightweight and great image quality are the main things and OM5 delivers this.
Dear Peter. You are, beyond doubt, a very good ambassador for OMDS and Olympus! You do the best you can to help others understand photography, lenses and cameras by sharing your experiences and insights. I find your videos helpful,informative,interesting and inspiring. I just love my little OM5. I think it’s a marvelous little camera, completely packed with exciting features I love to use. It is the perfect companion to my OM1. I am used to the menu from the OMD EM1 mk3, so what is the trouble? Having worked with Olympus since the introduction of the OMD EM1, I have been blown away by the quality and possibilities of the micro 4/3 technology. I was absorbed by Nikon ever since 1972, but as time went by, I got tiredof lugging around 30 kilos of glass. Please keep up the great work you do! I will keep following you from Oslo!
It works for me, I am not an adventurist who wants a camera just to capture their experiences, but I get why a marketing team in 2023 would go that way. I upgraded from the EM5 MKii , so a 2 camera step up and as a consequence this newer model has enough new features to make the re commitment to M43 worthwhile. I was complaining when Olympus moved from Mag alloy, I don't miss it at all on my OM5. People need to realize that the more you develop a product the more likely the next gen has a lot of the last gen. That is keeping all the things users like, size, weight, handling and tweaking other areas where you can offer things that improve, even better image stabilization, live ND hand held high rez, better auto focusing etc. Thanks for all the videos Peter I always enjoy them. Pete
I've been watching Forsgard's videos for two years now. First of all, I want to thank you for them. I can even say that sometimes Peter Forsgard is a too critical about Olympus or OMDS. So, as a person, he plays fair play for a long time. As for the OM-5, if someone is a photographer and wants to have the same good photos as with the OM-5 camera, then let them buy the omd em5. It is now sold 300 euros cheaper than its new competitor, which is completely identical in terms of image quality. I shoot on an old Panasonic dmc gx85 and I plan to jump in quality, so I will buy an old Olympus em5, because now is a unique opportunity to get it at a price that has never been here before and will never be again. If it were completely sold out of the market, only then would I buy the OM-5. So much for my advice and consideration.
Thanks, Peter! USB-C would comply with unlimited video recording as it allows to power the camera from power bank. MicroUSB makes unlimited video recording less sense.
Even though micro-USB has been one of the complaints, it's really just one of many. I don't think very many will say, "I love everything about this camera, but the connector so I won't buy it". That's an extremely rare person and is ignoring what most people are concerned about. The main complaint is that it's a super expensive camera for marginal benefits over the last one. It's $1700 in Canada. After tax that thing is almost $2000! I have no idea who this camera is for at this price point. And we can't forget the context - a lot of people feel the same way about the OM-1. Overpriced, beaten by the competition who offer more for less. For less than the OM-1 (in Canada) you can pick up the the Sony A7iii, or the new Fujifilm camera. The OM-1 and OM-5 will give roughly the same image quality as the EM1 Mark 2 in 2016(!!!) People who are complaining here, like myself, generally want Olympus/OM to do well. But after multiple uninspiring cameras that are ballooning in price, it leaves the product line in a weird place for many.
@@hafzke I was thinking of the XT5 which in Canada is hundreds less than the OM-1. I was a pro Olympus shooter for 2 years, and moved to full frame. Personally I feel the OM-1 is pretty overpriced for what it offers but that’s just my take on it Edit: I think the em5 mark 3 is a great value camera for most hobbyists
@@jasonwrites9186 I knew that you meant the X-T5, that's why I wrote my comment. The X-T5 isn't the same class but the X-H2s is. To be fair OMDS doesn't offer something like the X-T5. The wishlists for the Pen F.2 came close... and Fuji doesn't have something like the OM-5. As someone who owns Fuji and Olympus I can say both have great cameras and lenses and both have marketing problems. But Fuji has at least a loyal fanbase.
OM-1 is quite cheap for what it is and for who it is. There is no real competition for BIF, wildlife photography in that price range. The competition cost double or triple.
@@ForsgardPeter well it depends on the genre of photography. I switched to full frame and for less money I’m getting way better results on the wedding side of things. One could argue that $2800 (Canadian) for essentially the same image quality as the EM1 mark 2 isn’t really a good value. For wildlife and long lenses, yes, benefits in m43 for sure Edit: for specifics, the Sony a7iii with the 50mm G prime is hundreds of dollars cheaper than the OM-1 with the 25 1.2. For less money you get better image quality, a slightly lighter carry, better eye detect, better low light performance, etc. I'm also a wedding photographer who shoots with primes. For my specific genre of photography, moving away from M43 was absolutely worth it. Or for the *same* price you could get the A7iv, because the G line lenses are cheaper than the 1.2 Olympus ones.
Hi Peter, I am a waterfall photographer in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Southern Appalachia and am a new Olympus user. I have both the OM-D E1 Mk III and the OM-1 and love them both. I bought the OM-5 to carry and shoot photos from the hiking trails and have loved it so much, I bought another one as a backup. I use the 12mm f/2.0 f2.0, 17mm f/ 1.2, the 40mm f/1.4 and sometimes the 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro II and my photos have been outstanding…and certainly comparable to the image quality I could make using my former Sony A7R3 and A7R4 with GMaster lenses, ~even better because Image stabilization in the OM-5 is better. I shot with Canon, Nikon and Sony for years and switched to Olympus in 2022 to carry lighter gear for long distance hikes… No regrets👍👍… Two closing points: 1) as for me, I love both the menu system in my E1 Mark III and OM-5. I find them to be quite logical and precise to navigate, so kudos to OMDS👍👍; 2) I appreciate your reviews and commentaries, which I consider to be among the best in RUclips, because I consider you to be completely objective, fair, experienced and knowledgeable. The world is full of “harpers” and “haters,” superficial, dillitent people who attempt to prop themselves up in their Egotistical Self-Importance by criticizing anything or anyone, …unteachable people who are closed-minded and don’t listen, who are quick to judge others and things, putting them down in order to prop themselves up as authorities, and I have no time or patience for these types of superficial people. The first thing I learned in a college grammar composition course was how to define and distinguish a personal opinion, an inference, from objective facts, and I have been extremely grateful ever since. Keep up your great work Peter👍👍
I was happy with my M5 mark II (that I still keeping) feelings and when I got the M5 Mark III I wasn't happy at 100% because the feeling wasn't nice as the mark II. But now, with the time, the M5 Mark III is my favourite camera. I love that it's light and the performance is amazing. For me, the battery life it's so good. I have with me always a spare battery that I rarely use. For sure, If I didn't have the M5 Mark III already, I would buy the OM-5 with no doubts. Peter, keep been positive, that's a good philosophy of life! Thanks for the videos! ✌
pretty much the same for me. i never owned the e-m5 mark 2, but e-m5 mark 3 so far is my favorite after a pentax dslr, e-p5 and e-m1.3. currently selling off my e-m1.3. i don't have plans to upgrade soon either, but might one day. or wait for the om-5 mark 2 🙂
I have an EM-5 MkIII which has been great as a light weight backup to my EM-1X . Nothing really to criticise in terms of image quality or durability. It's a nice little camera, and the OM-5 should be too. That said...I doubt many EM-5 MkIII owners will see enough incentive to upgrade to the OM-5 as it's just not different enough. Also, the menus on the OM-1 which I also bought recently are a big improvement over the older style, and it's a shame that this was not implemented here. End of the day it's a camera, and hardly worth getting upset over!
Asvan OMD 5 II user, this just sound like an update of an already great camera. It improves on the qualities for which I bought the camera in the first place (stabilisation and weatherproofing). If I'm every upgrading it will be to this one. Maybe not the revolutionary product people were dreaming off, but a solid continuation of the product line. We shouldn't demand from companies that the new product bloed the old one out of the water.
I agree that it is not revolutionary camera, more like an evolution. OM-5 is a good solid camera and if the new features are something one s needs/wants it is worth upgrading.
You made very good points in your vlog Peter, being a Olympus camera user for many years I was a bit underwhelmed when the OM5 was launched but I must say looking more deeply into the camera I have most definitely changed my mind. With the new features of handheld 50mp, unlimited movies, ND filters built in, star shooting, superior weather sealing also the superior hand held shooting are very much worth upgrading from my older O-MD 5 mk2 camera. People like to mock new camera but all cameras have there drawbacks no camera is perfect. I have bought this new OM5 now and I’m so pleased with the camera 📷. Thanks Peter
Yes it will sell. If they discontinue and flush out all the E-M5 Mark III during the holiday seasons, the OM-5 will do fine. The fact they kept the same price is great. Could they really sell an OM-5 at that price if it had the sensor and processor from the OM-1? It is on my short list and I look forward using the new features. I might even get it before it goes on a sale but if I wait a year, it will likely go on sale.
Rumors were a big factor. The pandemic was a factor by slowing the pace of business. The biggest factor is that cameras are complex and take time to master. Reviewers often publish their opinion long before they master the camera and have no idea about how to get the most from it. A fourth factor is that many people consider their opinions well-founded without being interested enough in photography to realize that the technical limits of the camera are less important than their own limited skills.
A fifth factor that goes hand in hand with the fourth is Gear Acquisition Syndrome. My Em1.1 is still alive and kicking and to 99% fulfills my needs. And it's not that I don't own or use newer bodies. This and the OG X100 are my EDC cameras. With the last one I go full Weegee...
I believe the issue is that the OM-5 is simply the OM-D EM-5.3 with a new name. Same sensor, same body, same imaging performance. Re-releasing a camera from a few years back isn't the way forward.
@@RoderickJMacdonald I suppose we could think of the EM-5 that way, a cost-cut, feature-cut, version of the previous generation EM-1, except each new release of the EM-5 brought substantial improvements to the previous generation. The issue is, the new OM-5 is pretty much exactly the same as the previous one. Whereas prior OM-5s seemed like ground-up re-designs, this particular one was surprisingly low effort.
I was interested to read Amateur Photographer's review. A neutral and highly respected publication. Whilst they did make some of the same criticisms that we are seeing being made elsewhere they really loved it. An overall five star gold rating. Judge a camera by it's performance and handling when taking pictures, NOT by it's specifications on paper!
While phones haven't killed cars yet, and a decent 10-year old car should get your groceries just fine, you can't sell a new car today without CarPlay... (so phones are messing with cars after all!)
people aren't judging it only because of it's specifications the OM5 did not adopt the new menu system, and the USB port is micro usb, not even USB-C! all cameras from the first canon 5d to the sony a1 can take amazing photos, but this camera was just a big mis-step. they aren't angry because of what it is, but more because that the OM5 could be much more
Dear Peter, Thank you for the video. Do you know wther the bottom-Plate of the OM-5 is improved compared to the M5-III? I don´t mind the plastic body that much, but I found some reports, where stability-problems of the bottom-Plate occured, when a peak-design-plate was used and some stress came to the camera. In one video OMDS mentioned, that somerthing has been chanced here. Do you have any details on this point?
I'm ordering this camera today and I'm super excited. I've had a Panasonic G7 for many years and I bring it into the outdoors and put it to hard use because it's not very expensive. I planned on getting the G9 but it was too heavy for what I want it for. The OM-5 is perfect for me. Lightweight and waterproof with cool features. My hobbies come first and photography second, and I find this to be the perfect camera for me.
Spot on. It is same things I said at the outset. The fact that it is a new company with limited resources seems to have been overlooked by most people, It made perfect sense they would make a camera that they already had the facilities to produce but with the new branding that they need to get customers used to and accept. The upgrades were only incremental but most new camera models are like that. And they needed to get a cheaper camera out as soon as possible because not everyone can afford or needs an OM-1, and stocks of the old Olympus branded models must be running, especially at the sale prices on offer at the moment. To me, it’s still a fantastic camera, but not one I’ll be buying simply because I find them too small for my hands. Everyone can have an opinion, but it is just an opinion and not necessarily correct or even valid. As for the menu thing, it could be updated with a later firmware release. Look at what Olympus did with the EM-1iii.
My issue was more that this doesn't feel like as much of an upgrade over the previous EM-5 as the OM-1 was over the EM-1. On its own it's a solid camera, but if you have an EM-5 III it just doesn't make enough of a difference to upgrade. Regarding USB-C, I was really hoping it had that just for equipment compatibility. My cameras act as webcams at work and on a long meeting day I can burn through the Fuji's battery and need to switch to the EM-1. Having both use the same cord just makes the process quicker and cleaner.
Haters are gonna hate, of course negative came out. People these days are so quick to be negative and get "let down" over potentially anything. I think the upgrades are great. The features seem awesome. I currently am using an E-M5 Mark II and would appreciate and love if to use the OM-5. If I could afford it I would happily shoot with it and i am sure i would be passionate about using it. And to you, OM System(if you read this), I would LOVE an OM-5. Lol Take care Peter. And great way to handle the critics.
Sigh. People are still going on and on about sensors. My opinion is ALL camera sensors are excellent now. What matters now is the processor, the software and the system overall. As for om-5 being too expensive, well the Om-5 is clearly capable of professional use in many situations.
This "OM5" is just a rehash of the Olympus OMD 5 III with very limited superficial changes merely to remove the Olympus name and move on to OMS logo. I can't believe that anyone would promote it or get excited about it as if it were anything significant to get excited about. It is definitely not worth it for anyone who owns the prior version, OMD 5III, to pay $1200 to buy it, not at all. What a shame, they could have at least updated the menu system but they didn't bother at all. From all appearances, they were in a hurry to just get a camera with their new name out the door without any substantive updates/upgrades.
This is exactly why the OM-5 is a fail. It does not have enough new features to justify upgrading from the EM-5 M III. Nor will owners of earlier EM-5 or EM-10 have any incentive to go with the new version when the Mark III can be had for hundreds less. Sales will be disappointing and OMS’s revenues will suffer… not a good thing in a shrinking market. Sad….
OM5 body intro price £1199 in UK says Olympus EU. The EM5iii body plus flash can be found new for £635 if you shop around, though probably more elsewhere. Some people ask more than that secondhand! Same dealer has EM1iii body for £1099 new. Olympus still wants £1599 for it though - and £1049 for the EM5iii. People will buy the OM5 when it gets discounted fairly deeply by dealers - and probably not much before that.
I really appreciate that it’s still in a smaller body unlike the Panasonics (all great cameras) they have ballooned in size… would I like it to be 200$ less money? I could say that about all cameras but for what it is it’s fine…. That said I’ll stick with the next em-10ii for now
The OM-5 is to the M1iii what the M5iii was to the M1ii and so pretty much the camera that I would expect it to be. I would also expect the OM-5ii (or whatever it is called), when it eventually arrives, to have the same relationship to the current OM-1.
5:30 --> By the way, there is a meaningful difference between USB-C and Micro USB. USB C can transfer data at 10Gbps, Micro USB is limited to 480Mbps. It's more convenient to transfer files from the E-M1 III than the OM-5. And this will also impact cabled tethering - if the OM-5 even supports that (it's not in the specs).
I have used Olympus cameras for over a decade, and I have never used a cable to download images. Or to charge it. The only time was to update the firmware. Many users will be the same.
I have either never used cable to transfer image. Always a card reader or occasionally for a few to share I use wifi. The reason I use a card reader is that I always save the image as back up on my card for a little while. Just in case. The speed is of course an important thing if you use the cable to transfer images.
OM-5 works for me, too, I upgraded from M10 and M10.2 so A) the menu system feels familiarly comfortable (I never used an M1 or OM-1) and B) the battery is the same as the M10.x which is handy for me with a handful of batteries. So its real easy to carry the M10.2 as a backup. It has a lot of the features of the M1.3 I sort of wished for, and the USB connector isn't a deal breaker - it feels like they should have gone with the latest USB-C but it beats the old Olympus proprietary USB data cable that couldn't charge anyway.
The E-M5 Mark II was a masterpiece, I still own it and I wish an upgraded model with metal body, stacked-sensor, improved menus, headphone jack and USB-C had been produced, I would buy immediately. But currently the OM-1 MK 2 is cheaper than the OM-5 and is a far superior camera. The OM-5 was a huge disappointment, so I bought the OM-1, although I would have preferred a smaller, sexier body
@@ForsgardPeter OK the E-M1 might not be superior, but it has a headphone jack that is essentail for what I do. As for price, in Australia you can buy an ex-demo E-M1 II for around AUS1000 while the OM-5 is around AUS1800. Anyway I ended up spending AUS3000 on the OM-1, it's a a lot of money but at least the camera is a very substantial improvement on my old E-M1 Mark 2 and I don't want to change system, I own too many M43 lenses. I am just disappointed that a real successor to the e-M5 II was never produced, that camera ticked all boxes when it was introduced. I still have it and still love it
You certainly don't deserve any abuse. Thank you for putting yourself out into the public with your videos. They have made me a better photographer. I'm not sure if I want to upgrade from my e-m5 iii and perhaps that is ok. Major upgrades over one single generation seem rare in tech. The features they added with hh high res and live nd are the ones I find most compelling for my shooting. I'm packing for a trip to a new city and I really don't want to bring my tripod! I also find it great that the body stayed the same. That helps save on some accessory costs. I hope that also means the grip can be brought forward.
I love your reviews, Peter! I also love it, that you will answer questions about new equipment that I don’t have access to. I really really appreciate that. Keep up the good work. As far as the OM - 5 even though I have two OM-1 I would buy one for travel if it had a more compact lens camera system. Those Pro lenses are just too big.
not all pro lenses are too big, really. the 20mm f1.4 is a perfect, versatile travel companion in my opinion. or the 12-45 f4. and they nicely pair with e-m5/om-5. whether that's some gear one would get on top of other pro lenses, is another question of budget. ;)
Micro usb may not be a big deal, but my EM1ii which is 6 years old has usb-c. So that begs the question: Why did they put micro usb in this camera? It doesn't make any sense, unless it's just a way of differentiating their higher priced OM1. This seems rather petty, and somewhat manipulating. It may not be a big deal, but I bet if they had put micro usb in the OM1, people wouldn't be saying it's not a big deal. People would be saying that it's a ridiculous thing to do.
I not sure I can add anything to this argument. There is no such thing as the perfect camera for all people. I think it will be a very nice camera for its target market. Personally, I want the OM1 but I have told two people I know who are in the market for “real” cameras (they use their iPhones now) to look into the OM5 because I like the camera is a good match for them and what they want out of a camera system. Keep up the great work, love your videos! 😀
Peter, I'm sorry people went after you - you've always been a positive person in a RUclips genre that can get really tribal and that's not cool. With the OM-5, the plastic body brothers me because it has a vintage style...but then is plastic. For me it ruins the feel. But, hey, we got our own opinions and my em5 M2 is still going strong
I ordered this camera today with the 12-200 lens. I traded in my Nikon D7500 and 3 lenses. I got tired of lugging it around on hikes. I’m an enthusiast photographer and have been paid for some portraits, events at work and church and a wedding. I enjoy landscape and wildlife a lot more. I think this will be a good fit.
Excellent commentary! After watching many of your videos, the LAST thing I would say about you is that you are a shill! This is a very unfortunate and unfair comment to make about you. That said, I believe that after watching this latest video, you has convinced me to make the leap and purchase an OM-5. As a landscape photographer, I felt that the OM-1 might be "too much camera" for my purposes. The new OM-5 might just be the ticket for me. Thank you for your objective videos, Peter! Keep them coming! I look forward to watching them!
For me, I have got used to using standalone charger so micro-USB is not a problem for me (though USB-C is preferrable). I (and many other people) are disappointed that the new features and improvement over E-M5 III are so minor. There is a review video for E-M5 III by you (called 'Olympus E-M5 MKIII - First Impression!) three years ago in this channel. In that video, your main complaints are (i) battery life (ii) ergonomics issue with the back dial. These issues remain unchanged in OM-5.
I remember the back wheel problem. It was changed from Mark II to be a bit more back. The thing is that I am use to it now. It is the same way in E-M1 Mark III and OM-1 so that is way it is not that bad anymore. We get used to different things when we use them a long time. The battery thing something I did mention back then. Yes, it still has the same amount of images.
Oh and one more thing- If the OM-5 is aimed at people recording family moments when they are with friends outdoors, the cell phone today fulfills that role. So I am not sure that's the right marketing for this camera. At least in the USA, what I see is the 'carry small, hiking outdoor adventurer" and not necessarily at all "collect memories of family / friends while doing so." The later is something the cell phone is delivering and doing right now.
I think the problem is OMDS' credibility. With the OM-5, they created a "new" camera in the cheapest way possible. That doesn't inspire confidence, and the dubious interview statements by OMDS managers don't help either. It's like Ricoh: They introduced the KF as a recycled K70. For me, this means that there is no more money for investments and/or they are not listening to the customers. There is another parallel: both camera brands are the camera divisions that was sold off by the original companies, perhaps a bad omen.
This looks like the perfect camera for me and I would buy it if I could afford it. It has starry sky, live comp, high res and better ibis than what I have now. What more could I possibly need?
Hey Peter, just wanted to say that while I may not agree with you entirely with your assessment of the OM-5, I’m very sorry people were attacking you and criticizing you. I appreciate your positivity and love looking at your photos. Also, you’re 100% right about the OM-1. It’s an incredible camera with a price that is unbelievably good. I think OMDS probably suffered from their success on that one. The OM-1 was so good that expectations for the OM-5 were too high. It’s not for me, and I don’t think the OM-5 is as good as it could’ve/should’ve been, but you’re right that it is still a great camera and absolutely superior to the M5 III.
Sorry for all the sour reactions to you regarding your review. Just ordered the om5 today with the 60mm macro lens. Its going to be my dedicated macro setup. Cant wait!
I might buy this camera for video. E-M5 III unfortunately did not have auto ISO in manual mode for video. This one has it. It also has (very) good stabilization in video, movable touchscreen, 4k with no crop, and (very) good rolling shutter. But I was expecting some improvements compared to E-M5 III. The best video (DCI, C4K) is only at 24 fps. Why they did not include 25 and 30 fps? Standard 4K has 24, 25 and 30 fps but it's softer. Compared to Panasonic it has a phase AF but it's not as good as Canon/ Sony. So IMO they should have improved this camera more. On the other hand, for casual video work every system has flaws. Canon/Nikon in APSC forgot to offer native lenses. Sony aspc has a very old sensor with enormous rolling shutter. Fuji - they say issues with AF. Panasonic - no phase AF. So this camera might be a good option for casual filming. It also has a flat profile and OM LOG but... only 8 bits. It's not perfect, but I might buy it. Waiting for reviews. I won't wait for OM-3 or OM-10 because no one knows when / or if at all. I'm a bit disappointed because they could have improved this camera in many aspects but they did not. Just polished a bit here and there.
I agree that C4K should have more frame rates. Video AF has been quite good and in most cases it has been good enough and I ahve had no problems what so ever.
Hi Peter, thanks for your reviews. I’ve been shooting different subjects with a lot of different gear and formats for 50+ years, the second half as a part-time pro. Today, I do fine art/landscape/nature photography and some product and outdoor documentary video using M43 and Nikon FX gear. I have had Olympus cameras since the original OM1. This year, I upgraded from the EM1M3 and EM5M3 to the OM1 and OM5 (arrived a few days ago). Since the intro of the EM5 series, these cameras have been my favorite due to their combination of competence, IBIS, weatherization, computational features, portability and the sheer pleasure of working with them. I believe that the OM5 has been suffering from unrealistic expectations fueled partly by the OM1 and mostly by hyperbolic speculations of on-line influencers. The OM1and OM5 are not directly comparable with the OM1 costing almost 2x as much (I use it when I need subject recognition AF, as a 2nd video camera at 4K/60 and the security of a double card). The EM5M3 is already a great little camera and there would be no need to upgrade unless the new/improved features of the OM5 were truly useful. I did upgrade because, as an all-weather outdoor photographer I can use as much IBIS and weatherization as possible, Live ND and HHHRS, and the improved video features. I am also eager to try exposure smoothing with my time lapse work. IMO, with its feature set the OM5 is NOT a beginner’s camera. Excluding the single card (due to its small size) and some limitations for fast action and low light subjects, it is suited for pro-level work such as my poster-size fine art prints. But, to exploit its potential, one must diligently read the manual, do some additional research on the web and experiment. Failure to do so is unwise. Case in point: I recently sold an EM1M3 and a GH5. Both buyers took a camera setting for a malfunction. I resolved one issue by email but I had to take the other camera back - and resell it for more money :-) -. In conclusion, while the OM 5 has competition for some technical features, it is still the smallest, lightest body offering its level of competence. Pair it with an 8-25mm f/4, 12-40mm f/2.8, 40-150mm f/2.8 and an MC 20 and you have a hard-to-beat, 16-600mm f/2.8-5.6 compact system. Most users (Chris Nichols included) report on the delight of working with the EM5 series cameras, OM 5 included.
Hi Peter. I don't believe you are a 'shill' I too have been a dedicated Micro Four Thirds user for many years and really value the compact size of the system. I own EM 5 II & III cameras and a selection of lenses.I have no intention of leaving the format and hope they go from strength to strength. However, I have to strongly disagree with your position regarding Micro USB vs USB C. USB C is now the industry standard and has much more to offer in terms of speed and compatibility with other devices / chargers. I also cannot excuse omission of new menu system and feel EVF is now very much sub par. What OMDS have released should have been a firmware upgrade for the EM5 III. Not worthy of anything more. Would have been a good release 3 years ago but now neither groundbreaking or keeping up with the competition.
Totally with you, David. USB C is a standard feature now, and offers many things that Micro did not. Being able to charge a portable travel camera through PD on the go is a big deal and can potentially save the buyer relevant money on batteries. It also makes the total package smaller for travelling, since you don’t need to bring a separate charger. The omission of the new menu system is really poor, as well. It really shouldn’t have been very hard to move the new menus over. OMDS just didn’t want to spend the time/money to do it. Not necessarily with you on the EVF, since the R7 also has the same resolution EVF. That said, the R7 and R10 both have subject detection autofocus. For a camera of this price, they could have included it, particularly since the OM-5 has the same sensor and processor (better processor) as the M1X. I think we would have been foolish to expect the OM1 sensor on this camera, but a USB C port, OM1 menus, and bird detection autofocus would have made this camera a really compelling buy. Instead, OMDS has to work to convince people that it’s a good camera for travel. It is, but it could have been way better with just a little bit more effort.
I am still intrigued about the OM-5 because I like its tougher and smarter body compared with the EM-5 mark III. Nice that it also has 4 custom modes instead 3 and those can be assigned to buttons. OMDS might improve the menu and usability by means of firmware updates in the future, which looks more probable than for the predecessor. I am not in a rush for the upgrade but will keep an eye on possibilities for that.
The body is identical, isn't it? Or do you mean the new weather proof rating? I tried doing a little digging into that, and from what I can tell, it seemed like more of a marketing thing than an actual change in quality of construction. If you compare the two bodies, they are absolutely identical except for the logo.
The official OM-5 specs highlight IP53 instead of IPX1 in the predecessor. This means protection against water spray at 60 dgr (class 3) instead of vertical water drops (class 1).
@@timofeysavelyev9301 For sure. I'm aware of what the ratings mean. I'm just unsure if there were actually any changes made, but they simply upped the rating.
I have also been on the verge of purchasing the Fujifilm X-S20 starting with the 18-55mm lens. But when I looked a little further to possibly buy an additional lens later, the weight above the kilogram was a stumbling block for me. I immediately put that idea away and am still an Olympus user with the OM-D-E M5 Mark III. The new OM-5 now marketed by OM SYSTEMS does not appeal to me either. Gives me little added value than my old Olympus. Decided to wait and perhaps later switch to a device that can offer me added value.
I believe the OM5 is a good camera but I believe the price is too high and the the camera is not as advanced as it could be for the cost .I have the OMD EM1 Mark iii which I believe is more advanced than the OM5 considering it is two years older and the build quality of the EM1 mark iii is so much better at cost comparison the OM5 is $1299.00 and you can get the OMD EM1 Mark iii for $1499.99 US dollars. And I love all your videos and you are a great photographer. I believe all your words are honest and true . I myself have learned a lot from your videos and I purchased you lessons too .
You are correct. E-M1 III owner here too. The E-M1 III blows the OM-5 out of the water. Much better build quality. Slightly better viewfinder. Much better shutter, both the mechanical and electronic shutter can do twice the fps on the E-M1 III compared to the OM5.
Your first point about user experience is important. I recall prolific film users who never desired anything more than a Zenit or Praktica. They were interested in their pet subject and a camera was just a means to an end. They left an important documentary legacy while Nikon and Canon users were busy creating "art".
My only complain is whether it will be future proof or not… the usb-c thing and, specially, sticking to the old menus are signs to be worried about. I have a em5 Mk2 and was waiting this new iteration to jump to a new body… now i have my doubts if it is worth investing on the Om5 or if I shall wait the next one 🤷🏻♂️ now I see you even switch tto Fuji…
Peter .I think anyone who thought that you were shilling is very wrong and I have difficulty in seeing their justification .As for the EM5 , no camera has every feature that everyone will want..I think it will sell to people who find it appropriate and suites their lifestyle and ambitions. You can't ask for much more than this !!.
I personally hold all manufacturers to a higher standard, and don't think it's right for us to simply accept that all cameras will do some things badly. Why should they? And why let them get away with it? If they wanted to, they could design cameras that do everything well. But instead, each camera company has a thing or two it does well, then the rest is an afterthought or only half-done (so that they say it has that feature on a marketing sheet). It shouldn't be "normal" lacks features, or has them but they're not well implemented. We know it can be done well, so that's how it should be done. I don't really care whose name is on the camera either. But you raised an important point. People buy specific cameras if they prioritise certain things, such as great AF, or great IBIS, or great video CODECs, or low noise. My frustration is, why can't one single manufacturer do all of those things? That would be better for the consumer.
Peter, most of your supporters know you are not shilling; your interest and motivations are well understood by the majority of those that watch your channel, others can watch other videos if they desire. As you noted, OMDS has a different marketing approach than Olympus and only time will tell whether this new approach will succeed. I believe it will be more successful as these are proven marketing techniques used is sell many other products. Most people are not technical camera experts; they are simply trying to satisfy themselves and their lives in some way and if you can market to that need the cameras will sell.
Peter, great explanation. I was on the side of Robin Wong's comments, but I do see the value in the camera for a certain market. I was definitely a target purchaser had I not bought the EM1iii this past summer. In fact, I would've preferred this as it complements the EM5iii I already have and the batteries are compatible. I think where some of us are concerned, you've identified in this video. OMDS may have a problem here with the target market identifying itself.. But, I do agree with Robin in a couple of aspects, insofar as they are playing catchup. The EM5ii was more video-centric when it was released than the original EM1. The problem here is that OMDS is behind the competition on the video side. OM1 represented an improvement, and closed the gap, but assuming the refresh cycle is 3 years, it will continue to fall behind the competiion. OM-5, save for the vertical mode and OM-log, didn't offer improvement on the video front beyond what EM1iii has. So it lags further behind. I would have liked to see this released next year with enhanced video capability such as HD 240p, 4k 120p. I think that would have been a winner. For me, and I suspect others, the worry is that OMDS will always be playing catch up on significant areas such as video and thus grabbing new customers could be a problem. We all want to see them survive and thrive. I purchased the EM1iii, the 100-400mm lens, and 60mm macro since OMDS took over. They have still been getting my photography $$. I certainly like the looks of the 40-150 f4 pro lens and maybe the 8-25mm f4 and the 17mm f1.2. Let's hope you are right and the OM-5 will sell well.
I agree about the video specs. That is something Olympus should have concentrated more on. Now that is something OMDS should do. There is a market for this camera. It wont be easy, but lets hope they will succeed.
How does the day to day AF performance when taking family photos compared to older olympus cameras? Lets say previous EM 5, EM 10 and Pen F? Thank you.
i'd say it completely depends on your usecases and which camera you are comparing to. with phase-detection on sensor AF-C performance is way better (accuracy & speed). this is available from E-M5III or E-M1 series only. E-M5II didn't have it yet, either. for AF-S it's not a big difference - it already was great in E-P5 for example (release in 2013).
It depends on what you see as a more valuable, slightly better camera over a smaller camera. E-M1 Mark III is a better camera, and if the price is the same, I would get that unless you want almost the same in a smaller package.
Hi Peter, I am glad that the essence of EM1.3 is now in a more compact body of OM5. Immediately, I felt that it's target audience is someone who wanted to upgrade tosome feature of EM1.3. Olympus had many good lens design but lacks the funds to release them. OMDS realise these lens releases. Everybody wanted everything and everything which does not belongs to OMDS need to be paid license. I however think that OMDS should invest in USB C as apple products will be using those USB C soon. maybe having inbuilt USB C ports could make it easier to connect to phone or computer. it could be used for mic, and charger too.
I bought the OM-5 too. When it was first launched I was a bit disappointed, mostly because of the rumors saying the stacked sensor and so on. But then i thought, was I not happy with my EM1.3 after i got my OM-1? Yes i still loved the EM1.3. Because I needed a smaller OM-5 or EM5-like camera, I did first day thought of buying the EM5.3, but changed my mind and ordered the OM-5 together with the 60mm f2.8 macro and the 8-25mm f4. Prize tag för OM-5 is acceptable, when you think of world inflation increases. Don't forget that. I need it for digitalizing thousands of negatives size 24x36 up to glass negatives 13x16cm. And once in a while, I need it in really bad military conditions. I still hope for the new menu system, but I will survive anyway. The new OM-5 will be super perfect enough camera. And then i also have the OM-1 and for a while the EM1.3 too. Life will be happy and work flow good. I have been listening carefully to you Peter, and to many more the first three days after release, and a lot of comments out there were unfair to the new camera. I have big trust in your opinion.
I think you are correct, the market for the OM-5 is not the tech interested reviewers. And I think that most people following youtubers discussing camera equipment are tech interested too, and have a high-end camera model. As you say, the market is for those who finds the phone is too limited (a decreasing market) and their choice is between the E-M10 and the OM-5. You could argue that they can choose the E-M10 instead (a waterproof version would cannibalise the OM-5), so the question is if there is a need for two levels?
About the phone being too limited... have a look at the iPhone 14 Pro: cheaper than OM-5. Comes with 3 lenses (and sensors) covering super-wide to medium tele with some clever tricks. As much as I don't like phones as cameras - handling, controls, finder etc. I'm beginning to think I should try to embrace the benefits and live with the limitations... this is no longer something one can dismiss as a complete non-starter!
Smart phones are great cameras. There is always some limitations and biggest being ergonomics. That is the biggest reason I do not use smart phones as cameras that much. I do sometime make a quick shot and share it. I agree that OM-10 will even harder to sell than OM-5.
@@NeekonMike Do you really do photography, which phones provide basic flash setups, fast on the fly settings changes / bulk changes, use of filters, lens hoods, my god if I see any more phone footage with unintentional lens flare and excessive jitterness due to high shutter speed I'll scream.
@@MrReadboy Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. I don't really like phones, but I see them making huge strides in terms of usability and quality of results. Think about this: photography market shrunk from 120+M to 8M units sold (yearly), and the world keeps spinning while producing more photos than ever!
I also have my reservations about this new camera. Don't see the advantage in handing in my Olympus E5 Mark III for the new OMDS E5 Mark III. But that, as you say, is everyone's judgment. I do find the negative assessment of you person inappropriate. As long as I follow you, I have always found your judgment very positive and interesting. Always learned a lot from your findings. That is why I will continue to follow you and thank you for that. Greetings from Belgium Freddy Van Erp
I kind of agree with your comments as I also have an EM5iii - but I’m still happy with majority of my camera! I think the days of the existing user of a model being expected to pay out and upgrade is over (apart from mobile phones). I do like the idea of HHHR mode - but then I just watched a video this morning by a Fujifilm user who was showing sample images from 16MP, 20MP, 24MP and 40MP and without huge amounts of pixel peeping, you can’t see the difference!
No Peter, not rumors. Value-price relations and market-customer concept are important. The dual pair m1-m5, m1m2-m5m2 is consistent, m1m3-m5m3 (where is usb-c) is still ok, and om1-om5 (where is usb-c in a camera built in 2023!!!) is a discrepancy. Different menu, different matrix, different concept. The market is tough. The price of the body om system is high - market competitor: g9, gh6, s5, s1,z5,z6m2, a7m3,fuji, r6 and any. Choice is...?
The choice depends on the features and what camera feels right. Of course also price has something to do with the choice. You listed a few cameras that are totally for different purpose than OM-5. I do not see that GH6 and OM-5 are alternatives for many. Maybe for vloggers and for that OM-5 is a good alternative. Small and light with goo video specs for vloggers. For filmmaking GH6 for sure is a better choice. Canon R6 is about 1000 more money and more expensive lenses on top of that. Not sure Canon R6 and OM-5 are alternatives for many. Fuji is a good example of an alternative to OM-5. Just to mention a few things. Many of those camera a re better than OM-5, but the price range is also different. I think we should compare cameras what they are meant for.
@@ForsgardPeter The typical use the camera is shot the photo.Yes. When you "buy a camera" in reality you "buy a system".The typical m43 user uses 2-5 bodies. Market idea om5(+12-45f4) is a pocket camera. Price this set is identical to a7m3, s5, x-t4, z5+24-70f4. The market/buyer dilemma: pocket or weight (and enlargement the system). Today many people talk: "i bought m5m3+12-45 f4 pocket set and use second system FF or apsc as basic system and sell all other m43". 5-10 years ago a lot of people used m10 and bought/replaced to m5. Om 5 is for this client? I don't know. The money for first set is limited and money for the system is unlimited😁
Peter. They could do it better. Looks like they didn't want to invest anything on it. They could bring most of the things via software upgrade to mark 3. Seems like lowest budget upgrade ever
Would this be an ok beginner's camera? I like that is small and lightweight and for around $1000 that is being sold on Amazon (body only) it seems there's not much competition without paying considerably more (eg Sony A7 series, Nikon Zs etc). I don't care much about menus and stuff since for a beginner it's all confusing anyway :P
@@ForsgardPeter Not completely decided yet, still kinda looking to start from somewhere - taking photos of my dog, some street/building photos, maybe nature too. Not a great choice of used stuff where I'm currently located, but even on ebay imo if something is in really good condition, the price doesn't seem too different from the brand new; for example used em5.3 in good condition around $700 while brand new around $900 - not really saving much.
During the 70s and 80s Olympus had a distinct and widely recognised market among travel and outdoor photographers as their cameras were significantly smaller and lighter than, say, Nikons but arguably just as good. That seems something they seem keen to resurrect. They lost their way in this market segment at the beginning of the AF era (the OM707 was a disaster area) but were big in the 35mm compact market, particularly with the legendary Mju. Obviously the compact market is effectively dead now so they are going back to their roots.
I totally agree that Olympus lost their mojo when AF came. That happend to many other brands too. I had Pentax at the time and they failed producing a decent AF camera. I switched to Canon. You are absolutely right, OMDS is going back to the Olympus roots. Will it work is an other story.
We get too many camera RUclipsrs always talking about a brands cutting edge gear.. and way too few talking about what gear fits the need of the viewer... And they always seem to suggest that if camera is not the height of tech that it's a disappointment. 90% of beginner or casual photographerss would never max out what the OM-5 would be able to do. It's better that they learn to use the cameras feature set to create the images they want. I think a bigger investment in glass makes more sense. Who cares if the charging port is old school Micro USB rather than a type C?? Having said that.. I'm glad I have an EM-1 MKIII...It does all it does and I got a beautiful used one for less than the OM-5 new.. That is really the sticker for me.. that a new camera in the line,,using many throwback features is still priced that high. It just seems the opportunity to bring many new people into the OM System fold is going to be squandered by uncompetitive prices-- against many brand names that are better known to non photographers...
Hi Peter, Thank you for this review. I have questions: -Is this camera good in low light? -Will my lenses from my OMD work with it? -What is the difference with OM from the OMD-5? -Is it worth buy it since I own a OMD-5 mark iii? I value your pov and thank you very much as always.
For lowlight photography there are better option if we think of just the image quality. You need to be very careful and see that the exposure is spot on. Your lenses will work. OM SYSTEM is the new brand. Upgrading depends if you need the new features that OM-5 has. If not then it is not worth.
Are you honestly saying that these cameras will last longer than availability of the micro USB cables which many people still use on their phones? Not everyone churns kit every year and there are still a ton of micro USB devices around. There is no problem getting from Amazon the ancient original specialised Olympus cable pre-dating micro USB which I still use on a TG310. Olympus always have lagged with connectors and it has never been a big deal so OMD are not doing anything new here.
@@MarcoYuen Buy a spare micro usb. It is such a miniscule cost against these modern cameras. It is amazing people talking about these over £1,000 cameras but then the cost of a little cable or the weight of it in a backpack is the absolute end of the world. For many cameras buy a cheap charger and it will likely be micro usb. I have a pile of micro usb cables anyhow. I suppose this would be your first USB acquisition. This is a bit of a storm in a teacup really. A bit like buying a super yacht and complaining about the shape and cost of the beer mats.
@@michaeld5888almost bring a charger is the best solution, but not my choice. I think M43 system is a light weight system so anything can be decrease my backpack weight, i sure i will do this. Mirco usb and non-metal body work fine, but not old omd owner want.
LiveND is a very good features and I do not need to carry ND filters. I used it like Dave said. Blurring out traffic, metros etc. behind stationary subjects.
Very little to find positive in this release. They should include the new sensor and menu system here. The only difference between the pro om1 and the om5 should be form factor, card slots, build and perhaps some specs on the edges (max as, base ISO) but the sensor and menu system should be the same.
Awesome video Peter! I think it is a neat camera, will I buy it, no, that's because I have 5 OMDs right now. Some of the OM1 trickled down to the OM5, that is cool, menus are not a big deal, I have so many digital cameras all with different menus, one will get used to it once they have given it time and learning, same with all digi cams. As to the USB thing, on the back side of my bedroom door, is hangers for all of my cables for my USB stuff... I feel that the OM5 would be a nice complement to the OM1 as an OMDS kit. I think you are an up front and honest person, kinda like the Rob Trek, Robin and Red35, I trust and enjoy your content. Cheers!
The EM5 III can be a great camera for adventure as well. Without the need to call for OM5 to use at all, so just OMDS produces EM5 IIIs for sale at a cheap price. That's enough, but making OM5 out and selling it at such a high price.....it's suicide. Also, OM5 is not considered a further development from EM5 III, because EM1 III has nothing to improve from EM1 II at all. ...... From Olympus user ......
I have and really like an OM-1 and I do agree that OMS stumbled a bit with this camera. Will I buy one? I don't know but I won't make my decision on what the menu is or the micro USB. Would these be nice, yes but I'm more interested in image quality. I agree that these will sell and my guess is that the actual user reviews will be quite positive.
For people who want to constantly upgrade their equipment the OM5 might have been a disappointment, but for people who are looking for a camera with a lot of nice features and a nice compact form factor it is a fine camera. I am still using the original em5 and em5ii because they do everything I need a camera to do. If they are lost or damaged I would consider replacing them with a newer model, but until that happens I will continue to use them.
Peter I always appreciate your videos for their honesty and valuable content, thank you!
Thank you for another excellent video. I am the target audience for OM5 and am very excited about it. I am an older, female, hobby photographer for whom weight and portability are extremely important features. The OM5 has everything I have wanted in a lightweight hiking and adventure camera. I intend to get one.
Thanks. Sounds good!
Very much appreciating how friendly and polite you are replying to all the comments Peter. Top job!
Thanks. I try to be polite, no reason not to be.
I didn't mock the OM-5 for having micro-USB. I pointed out that charging the camera is not new, the 5.3 had it. Also that it isn't a special feature, it is standard these days.
I really do like this OM-5. It is a nicely sized E-M1 III. But the micro-USB, old menus and no improvement in body construction, these are factors that are a bit disappointing.
For those who made comments about you Peter, they are indeed unfair. We know you are an OM guy but even so, you still give your opinion. In any case I watch a range of reviews and make up my own mind.
Keep making the videos, you are doing a great job.
Thanks.
I was okay with the idea of the OM-5 being a modest upgrade, but it's pretty much the same camera with a new logo. At the very least they could have added USB-C.
That is something that I agree with, mainly because I want USB-C PD capabilities (to power the camera, not just recharge it while it is off) and I'd also like higher transfer speeds than USB2.0. I think their decision to reuse the exact same body shell as Em5 precluded changing any of the connectors.
I agree. Difficult to be really sure as I don't have one, but from the reviews etc I've seen it just seems to be essentially a re-badge with a few tweaks OK I guess if the want to re-badge the whole system but don't tout it as a big jump.
Exactly. I find it hard to see why people dont understand how disappointing it was. The camera its self is ok but its nearly 2023 and we are still on a 2mp EVF and below par tracking. Also still stuck on the plastic body which they absolutely did to save money not weight.
Potentially OM Systems didn’t manage expectations well (thanks to the rumour mill), but from what I can see they have managed to stuff an em1 mk3 into an om5 body - that’s a great achievement considering you only have to sacrifice a card slot! Take the om1 out of the picture and then the om5 is a stylish, powerful camera.
Thanks for your helpful review. I decided to risk of spending the money to update from Olympus OMD5 Mk3. After a couple of hours of use as the official photographer for a concert, I found it provided a significant improvement in focusing speed and accuracy - an important feature for me. The battery life also seems to be improved. It was very lightweight with the 12-45 mm f4 lens fitted and worked well in conjunction with my OM Sytems OM1 with a 40-150mm f4 lens fitted. I couldn't distinguish any difference in picture quality between the two with a maximum ISO set at 1600 on both of these OM Sytems cameras.
Nice job. Don’t get too hung up on negative comments. While we may not agree with everything you say, your point of view is valuable and thought provoking. I use a LUMIX G9 and Nikon Z7ii and still find your videos well worth watching. Keep up the good work.
Thanks. I just felt that I need to make this video and comment on some of the critic.
Great explanation, Peter. This is exactly how Apple market the iPhones. We live in a consumer driven society, and it is extremely challenging to please everyone. The strategy is the right one.
First, thank you for doing what you do. I am a longtime user of Micro 4:3 cameras, and I still think it is a perfect solution for 90 percent of the people out there, based on abilities, price and weight. (I do own a FF for those times I need more, but it mostly sits in a bag in reserve.)
As of the OM 5, I agree with you, there were a lot of crazy rumors out there that built up expectations. I think a lot of people were expecting a mini OM1, but the new company followed an existing pattern by putting most of the goods of the EM-1iii into the 5. This may be because the camera was already on the boards when the new company took over, or that they wanted to maintain the levels of differentiation with the flagship 1 line vs. the 5.
I do with they had made the menu system universal, and kind of hope they do in a firmware update. But that would require a lot of new coding.
I also with that they had put a USB-C connection.
I think these are items you wished for, as well.
Anyway, keep up the good work. I always look forward to your reviews.
Thanks. Yes, I did wish about the same things you. All those would have been nice, but then it comes down to how big of a problem it is.
Looks like a good entry for a light and compact system overall. USB-C would definitely be helpful but it's not a deal breaker given the features you're getting I feel
I agree.
I’ve been following you for a time now and I’m loving your videos and tips. Great job 😃
Thanks so much 😊
I’m not disappointed with the new OM-5. If I had not already got a e-m5 mk3 I would buy this camera. It is aimed at intermediate, casual photographers. I like the new features, yes would have preferred usb-c, just because that’s the cables I have and my Mac has & also I like the OM-1 menus better, but it is a great little camera.
As Peter said, it is aimed at people like me, who are into enjoying photography in its many forms, but not wanting to spend £2K on a body yet.
Like I said if I was buying now I would get this, I like my e-m5 mk3. Yes my path of upgrade is to OM-1, just like if I owned the OM-5, my path of upgrade would be OM-1, not e-m5 to OM-5, unless you have a e-m5 mk1 /2 model.
I love the format, design and weight.
Just think who the camera is for, it’s an upgrade from epl or e-m10 users.
Everybody would want an OM-1 at om-5 price, but this is not an OM-1, no matter how much you would like it to be. This camera is for just above beginner to good intermediate users.
Just look at the features for an intermediate users new camera, it is blinking good, not perfect, but lovely all the same.
The EM5iii is a mini version of the EM1ii. The OM5 is a mini version of the EM1iii. Same development path!
When all the rumours started circulating about the OM5 having the same sensor and AF as the OM1, the question I kept asking myself was "How is OMDS going to differentiate between this and the OM1 and not cannibalise sales of the OM1?" Consequently, I was not surprised by the specs when it was announced. From the perspective of OMDS it makes sense.
I have an EM5iii. It goes everywhere with me, including on my motorcycle adventure trips. The plastic body is still good (how many failures were there in actuality? I know of 4, and they were all associated with heavy lenses and the same tripod). I don't care about USB charging. I have a spare battery which I charge in a proper charger (supplied with the camera) whilst I'm out and about taking photos.
I know many people who, like me, are not getting any younger. I see 2 target markets for the OM5 - adventurous people, and people who want a small, competent light camera with good features and many available lenses. Yes, the OM1 menu system would be nice, but its not a deal breaker.
Some speculation based on the logic of my previous post...
As noted, the EM5iii is a mini EM1ii with the OM5 being a mini EM1iii. If OMDS follows this development path then when the OM1ii is released in 3+ years, possibly with a higher res sensor, then the OM5ii could be a mini OM1. From a corporate perspective this makes a lot of sense. It keeps the OM1 series as the flagship model but keeps development costs of the second tier camera (OM5) to a minimum, so keeping the sales price down.
I not sure I can add anything to this argument. There is no such thing as the perfect camera for all people. I think it will be a very nice camera for its target market. Personally, I want the OM1 but I have told two people I know who are in the market for “real” cameras (they use their iPhones now) to look into the OM5 because I like the camera is a good match for them and what they want out of a camera system. Keep up the great work, love your videos! 😀
Oops; sorry Bruce, I meant to post this to the general public. I was reading your post and didn’t realize I hadn’t returned to the main screen yet. By the way, I like your post. Your comments are right on point. Now it’s time for me to do the “copy/paste”- thingy. Sorry to have bothered you with my wrongly placed comment, I guess it’s the modern day equivalent of the “wrong phone” mistake, haha. Have a great day!
Peter stay as you are. So many are only commenting to harm someone. I have a big Full frame with a great Zoom Lens an think every day to take it with me out. I ordered Yesterday the OM-5 ... not because it is a perfekt camera but it is tiny and can fit 98% of my needs. Thx for your videos
I am not going to change what comes to my opinions. Thanks.
I think what you brought up are all fair points. As a newish M43 user, im stunned by what this system is capable of. I think ppl need to be waist deep into the system (really committed) to understand the advantages and market positioning of the OM-5.
Great video with some very good points. I have the OM-5 on pre-order and will trade in my E-M1 MkIII for it. My E-M1 MkIII haven't been used in 7 months ever since I traded in my E-M1X for the OM-1. I love my OM-1. The issue with the E-M1 MkIII is that it doesn't do anything better than what the OM-1 can do better. The OM-5 can nearly do everything the E-M1 MkIII can do and is a smaller camera. Because of the smaller size I can see several usage for it. One is to use is a two-camera kit for wildlife with the OM-5 it with the 12-100/4.0 lens along with the OM-1 with the 150-400/4.5 lens. The other is just to have a kit with the OM-5 and the 12-45/4.0 and the 20/1.4 with me on non-photographic specific outings where compact size is important. Yes, I would have loved to see the OM-5 with USB-C PD. I believe the new menu system was made for the TruePic 10 processor and would have been difficult to have on the TruePic 9 processor. If the TruePic 10 processor was used it might have required a larger battery, which would have required making a slightly larger camera. With the price difference between the OM-1 and the OM-5 I expect to see an OM-3 in the future, which might be more in line with the wild rumors.
David, you are making a huge mistake.
See my comment on this video.
You are downgrading and you're paying good money for downgrading from a better camera to a worse camera.
The E-M1 III has the much better body.
The E-M1 III has much more powerful drive modes (about twice as many frames per second on both mechanical and electronic shutter).
The E-M1 III has the better viewfinder.
And more.
It does not make sense to trade an E-M1 III against an OM-5. The only way this made sense if you made money off that trade. Which you won't since the OM-5 is a new camera.
@@weisserth I have not used my E-M1 MkIII in the 7 months since getting the OM-1. The OM-1 does everything better than the E-M1 MkIII. Yes, the E-M1 MkIII is a better camera in most ways than the OM-5. Still I have a use case for a smaller camera when my OM-1 is too large. I have no use case for the E-M1 MkIII, it just sits in a box waiting for the OM-1 to break.
I second T.W. here. Em1.3 is a better camera and is a better fit for 12-100 lens.
We all have different needs. I agree that E-M1 Mark III is a better camera than OM-5. On the other hand they have almost put the E-M1 Mark III is a smaller body. That smaller and lighter body could the decisive thing. Especially if E-M1 Mark III has been sitting in the box. That happened to me too. After getting OM-1 I have not used my E-M1 Mark III at all.
@@p.io7 Both true. The E-M1 MkIII is a better camera and a better fit for the 12-100/4.0. I got the OM-1 which is even a better camera than the E-M1 MkIII for most of my photographic usage and professional photographic needs. That is why my E-M1 MkIII has not been used in the 7 months since buying the OM-1. What I am looking for is a small camera for my non-photographic needs. One case is when out on a wildlife photographic outing when mostly using my OM-1 with the 150-400/4.5 I will have a OM-5 with the 12-100/4.0 stuck in the corner of the backpack for an occasional snapshot. The most likely use will be on non-photographic outings where the kit will be the OM-5 with the 12-45/4.0 and the 20/1.4.
I can still sell my never used anymore E-M1 MkIII for a fairly good price and get a camera that I can use when the OM-1 is too much camera.
I think you're missing the mark on 'I don't think the target OM-S user is going to be bothered by it' and alluding to the target being an outdoorsy person wanting to capture pictures when they're on their adventure. I was the customer target before OM-S took over -- I'm an avid outdoors person, I do camping and through hiking. I went Olympus for compactness, weight, general ruggedness, ideal for outdoor use. We're not going on trip Lisbon staying in a hotel; we're spending a week or more in a large wilderness park in the middle of Quebec.
USB-C is not the end of the world but *it is* one less cable to carry and deal with. People who are going on outdoors adventures are very mindful about what we're carrying. USB C is the cable on the few other electronic devices I take and my EM-5 mk 3 is the second-to-last device I use regularly outdoors that uses a non C cable (my Garmin watch being the last -- which lasts over a week on a single charge so it's less of a bother to forget that cable). Even my headlamp charges via a C cable.
I truly believe it is a fair concern that JIP/OM-S is going to half-ass the cameras like what happened with the Sony Viao lineup. I think the lack of USB C (and not using the same OS as OM-1) signals to the non-ambassador fans and people invested in Olympus gear -- like me -- that OM-S is just "phoning it in" and not going to take camera development seriously.
It kinda looks that way unfortunately, An upgrade doing the least amount of work possible. Their *next* camera will be most telling. If it's just a lukewarm "OM-10", then it's game over I think. I have the E-M5 Mk III and there's no compelling reason to spend good $$$ upgrading to this.
OM-10 will be even harder to sell. The only way is to find the right audience and that is the hard part. I think the most important thing is to develop the OM-1 series cameras. If it sells then I think OMDS is good, no matter how OM-5 or the possible OM-10 sells. You do not need to be popular in every category of cameras to have success. A small niche camera can also work.
I am very disappointed that some people criticised you in a very unfair way. You are always clear and honest and certainly do not deserve that. Regarding your assessment, I found it to be balanced and well taken. Given the targeted public of customers, the features of the OM 5 are well chosen as you said.Personally, as a happy owner of an EM 5 Mk II and an EM 1 Mk II, I am so satisfied with the photos that I can take with these two cameras that I do not intend to replace them in any near future. And I am aware that I do not even exploit all the features of both! My hope is is that OMDS will be successful in acquiring new customers, which will support its financial stability, for the benefit of all Olympus and OMD fans. Keep up the good work, Peter, and thank you for your outstanding videos.
Thanks.
Good clarification Peter.
The OM-5 is an excellent camera in its own right, full featured for it's price. But for me, already owning an EM-5 iii and EM-1 iii, it doesn't offer any added value. However, it's a great blend of the best features of both of these cameras, so it's an worthwhile upgrade from EM-10, EM-5 ii and even EM-1 ii or PEN-F ... or perhaps to have as a second camera (as a backup).
Hi Peter, thank you for your review and discussion of this camera. As a walker and family man seeking to create memories and learn a new skill I believe this camera is for me. I’ll be purchasing the camera with a kit lens and look forward to watching more of your videos. Take care and stay safe 👍🏼
Good choice.
Thanks again Peter. The OM5 is a brilliant camera, so portable and loaded with features. It's funny to think back to 'EM5 III' launch, some reviewers said it didn't have 'Live ND, no My Menu system, no Starry Sky AF' - OM5 now has all of these and more! Can now assign Custom buttons too. Great functionality. 12-45 & 40-150 f4 Lenses are sharp and agile with this camera too. Yes just depends on the user, for me Lightweight and great image quality are the main things and OM5 delivers this.
Dear Peter. You are, beyond doubt, a very good ambassador for OMDS and Olympus! You do the best you can to help others understand photography, lenses and cameras by sharing your experiences and insights. I find your videos helpful,informative,interesting and inspiring. I just love my little OM5. I think it’s a marvelous little camera, completely packed with exciting features I love to use. It is the perfect companion to my OM1. I am used to the menu from the OMD EM1 mk3, so what is the trouble? Having worked with Olympus since the introduction of the OMD EM1, I have been blown away by the quality and possibilities of the micro 4/3 technology. I was absorbed by Nikon ever since 1972, but as time went by, I got tiredof lugging around 30 kilos of glass.
Please keep up the great work you do! I will keep following you from Oslo!
Thanks.
It works for me, I am not an adventurist who wants a camera just to capture their experiences, but I get why a marketing team in 2023 would go that way. I upgraded from the EM5 MKii , so a 2 camera step up and as a consequence this newer model has enough new features to make the re commitment to M43 worthwhile. I was complaining when Olympus moved from Mag alloy, I don't miss it at all on my OM5. People need to realize that the more you develop a product the more likely the next gen has a lot of the last gen. That is keeping all the things users like, size, weight, handling and tweaking other areas where you can offer things that improve, even better image stabilization, live ND hand held high rez, better auto focusing etc. Thanks for all the videos Peter I always enjoy them. Pete
Thanks. Well said.
I've been watching Forsgard's videos for two years now. First of all, I want to thank you for them. I can even say that sometimes Peter Forsgard is a too critical about Olympus or OMDS. So, as a person, he plays fair play for a long time. As for the OM-5, if someone is a photographer and wants to have the same good photos as with the OM-5 camera, then let them buy the omd em5. It is now sold 300 euros cheaper than its new competitor, which is completely identical in terms of image quality. I shoot on an old Panasonic dmc gx85 and I plan to jump in quality, so I will buy an old Olympus em5, because now is a unique opportunity to get it at a price that has never been here before and will never be again. If it were completely sold out of the market, only then would I buy the OM-5. So much for my advice and consideration.
Thanks!
@@ForsgardPeter You're welcome!
Thanks, Peter! USB-C would comply with unlimited video recording as it allows to power the camera from power bank. MicroUSB makes unlimited video recording less sense.
That is a point.
Even though micro-USB has been one of the complaints, it's really just one of many. I don't think very many will say, "I love everything about this camera, but the connector so I won't buy it". That's an extremely rare person and is ignoring what most people are concerned about.
The main complaint is that it's a super expensive camera for marginal benefits over the last one. It's $1700 in Canada. After tax that thing is almost $2000! I have no idea who this camera is for at this price point. And we can't forget the context - a lot of people feel the same way about the OM-1. Overpriced, beaten by the competition who offer more for less.
For less than the OM-1 (in Canada) you can pick up the the Sony A7iii, or the new Fujifilm camera.
The OM-1 and OM-5 will give roughly the same image quality as the EM1 Mark 2 in 2016(!!!)
People who are complaining here, like myself, generally want Olympus/OM to do well. But after multiple uninspiring cameras that are ballooning in price, it leaves the product line in a weird place for many.
If you want to compare the OM-1 to a Fuji model the X-H2s would be the same class. Both are great.
@@hafzke I was thinking of the XT5 which in Canada is hundreds less than the OM-1.
I was a pro Olympus shooter for 2 years, and moved to full frame.
Personally I feel the OM-1 is pretty overpriced for what it offers but that’s just my take on it
Edit: I think the em5 mark 3 is a great value camera for most hobbyists
@@jasonwrites9186 I knew that you meant the X-T5, that's why I wrote my comment. The X-T5 isn't the same class but the X-H2s is.
To be fair OMDS doesn't offer something like the X-T5. The wishlists for the Pen F.2 came close... and Fuji doesn't have something like the OM-5.
As someone who owns Fuji and Olympus I can say both have great cameras and lenses and both have marketing problems. But Fuji has at least a loyal fanbase.
OM-1 is quite cheap for what it is and for who it is. There is no real competition for BIF, wildlife photography in that price range. The competition cost double or triple.
@@ForsgardPeter well it depends on the genre of photography. I switched to full frame and for less money I’m getting way better results on the wedding side of things.
One could argue that $2800 (Canadian) for essentially the same image quality as the EM1 mark 2 isn’t really a good value.
For wildlife and long lenses, yes, benefits in m43 for sure
Edit: for specifics, the Sony a7iii with the 50mm G prime is hundreds of dollars cheaper than the OM-1 with the 25 1.2. For less money you get better image quality, a slightly lighter carry, better eye detect, better low light performance, etc. I'm also a wedding photographer who shoots with primes. For my specific genre of photography, moving away from M43 was absolutely worth it. Or for the *same* price you could get the A7iv, because the G line lenses are cheaper than the 1.2 Olympus ones.
Hi Peter, I am a waterfall photographer in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Southern Appalachia and am a new Olympus user. I have both the OM-D E1 Mk III and the OM-1 and love them both. I bought the OM-5 to carry and shoot photos from the hiking trails and have loved it so much, I bought another one as a backup. I use the 12mm f/2.0 f2.0, 17mm f/ 1.2, the 40mm f/1.4 and sometimes the 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro II and my photos have been outstanding…and certainly comparable to the image quality I could make using my former Sony A7R3 and A7R4 with GMaster lenses, ~even better because Image stabilization in the OM-5 is better. I shot with Canon, Nikon and Sony for years and switched to Olympus in 2022 to carry lighter gear for long distance hikes… No regrets👍👍… Two closing points: 1) as for me, I love both the menu system in my E1 Mark III and OM-5. I find them to be quite logical and precise to navigate, so kudos to OMDS👍👍; 2) I appreciate your reviews and commentaries, which I consider to be among the best in RUclips, because I consider you to be completely objective, fair, experienced and knowledgeable. The world is full of “harpers” and “haters,” superficial, dillitent people who attempt to prop themselves up in their Egotistical Self-Importance by criticizing anything or anyone, …unteachable people who are closed-minded and don’t listen, who are quick to judge others and things, putting them down in order to prop themselves up as authorities, and I have no time or patience for these types of superficial people. The first thing I learned in a college grammar composition course was how to define and distinguish a personal opinion, an inference, from objective facts, and I have been extremely grateful ever since. Keep up your great work Peter👍👍
Thanks for sharing.
I was happy with my M5 mark II (that I still keeping) feelings and when I got the M5 Mark III I wasn't happy at 100% because the feeling wasn't nice as the mark II. But now, with the time, the M5 Mark III is my favourite camera. I love that it's light and the performance is amazing. For me, the battery life it's so good. I have with me always a spare battery that I rarely use. For sure, If I didn't have the M5 Mark III already, I would buy the OM-5 with no doubts. Peter, keep been positive, that's a good philosophy of life! Thanks for the videos! ✌
pretty much the same for me. i never owned the e-m5 mark 2, but e-m5 mark 3 so far is my favorite after a pentax dslr, e-p5 and e-m1.3. currently selling off my e-m1.3. i don't have plans to upgrade soon either, but might one day. or wait for the om-5 mark 2 🙂
I have an EM-5 MkIII which has been great as a light weight backup to my EM-1X . Nothing really to criticise in terms of image quality or durability. It's a nice little camera, and the OM-5 should be too. That said...I doubt many EM-5 MkIII owners will see enough incentive to upgrade to the OM-5 as it's just not different enough. Also, the menus on the OM-1 which I also bought recently are a big improvement over the older style, and it's a shame that this was not implemented here. End of the day it's a camera, and hardly worth getting upset over!
Asvan OMD 5 II user, this just sound like an update of an already great camera. It improves on the qualities for which I bought the camera in the first place (stabilisation and weatherproofing). If I'm every upgrading it will be to this one. Maybe not the revolutionary product people were dreaming off, but a solid continuation of the product line. We shouldn't demand from companies that the new product bloed the old one out of the water.
I agree that it is not revolutionary camera, more like an evolution. OM-5 is a good solid camera and if the new features are something one s needs/wants it is worth upgrading.
You made very good points in your vlog Peter, being a Olympus camera user for many years I was a bit underwhelmed when the OM5 was launched but I must say looking more deeply into the camera I have most definitely changed my mind. With the new features of handheld 50mp, unlimited movies, ND filters built in, star shooting, superior weather sealing also the superior hand held shooting are very much worth upgrading from my older O-MD 5 mk2 camera. People like to mock new camera but all cameras have there drawbacks no camera is perfect. I have bought this new OM5 now and I’m so pleased with the camera 📷. Thanks Peter
You are welcome.
Yes it will sell. If they discontinue and flush out all the E-M5 Mark III during the holiday seasons, the OM-5 will do fine. The fact they kept the same price is great. Could they really sell an OM-5 at that price if it had the sensor and processor from the OM-1?
It is on my short list and I look forward using the new features. I might even get it before it goes on a sale but if I wait a year, it will likely go on sale.
That is true. The OM-5 is more like a mini E-M1 Mark III than it is mini OM-1.
IMHO, OM System had a chance with plenty of time and struck out. So many mistakes. I am glad I bought my OM-1 on the day the OM-5 was announced.
Yes! I am glad I bought my Tesla on the day Chevy Volt was announced! ;-)
Rumors were a big factor. The pandemic was a factor by slowing the pace of business. The biggest factor is that cameras are complex and take time to master. Reviewers often publish their opinion long before they master the camera and have no idea about how to get the most from it. A fourth factor is that many people consider their opinions well-founded without being interested enough in photography to realize that the technical limits of the camera are less important than their own limited skills.
Well said.
A fifth factor that goes hand in hand with the fourth is Gear Acquisition Syndrome. My Em1.1 is still alive and kicking and to 99% fulfills my needs. And it's not that I don't own or use newer bodies. This and the OG X100 are my EDC cameras. With the last one I go full Weegee...
I believe the issue is that the OM-5 is simply the OM-D EM-5.3 with a new name. Same sensor, same body, same imaging performance. Re-releasing a camera from a few years back isn't the way forward.
@@WSS_the_OG Weren’t the em-5s usually shrunk em1s? The wild rumors made people forget that.
@@RoderickJMacdonald I suppose we could think of the EM-5 that way, a cost-cut, feature-cut, version of the previous generation EM-1, except each new release of the EM-5 brought substantial improvements to the previous generation.
The issue is, the new OM-5 is pretty much exactly the same as the previous one. Whereas prior OM-5s seemed like ground-up re-designs, this particular one was surprisingly low effort.
I bought the OM-5 last week using my vintage lenses. So far so good.
Great to hear!
I was interested to read Amateur Photographer's review. A neutral and highly respected publication. Whilst they did make some of the same criticisms that we are seeing being made elsewhere they really loved it. An overall five star gold rating. Judge a camera by it's performance and handling when taking pictures, NOT by it's specifications on paper!
While phones haven't killed cars yet, and a decent 10-year old car should get your groceries just fine, you can't sell a new car today without CarPlay... (so phones are messing with cars after all!)
people aren't judging it only because of it's specifications
the OM5 did not adopt the new menu system, and the USB port is micro usb, not even USB-C!
all cameras from the first canon 5d to the sony a1 can take amazing photos, but this camera was just a big mis-step.
they aren't angry because of what it is, but more because that the OM5 could be much more
Ah, those bruises will smooth right out in no time. Keep up the good work.
Dear Peter,
Thank you for the video. Do you know wther the bottom-Plate of the OM-5 is improved compared to the M5-III?
I don´t mind the plastic body that much, but I found some reports, where stability-problems of the bottom-Plate occured, when a peak-design-plate was used and some stress came to the camera. In one video OMDS mentioned, that somerthing has been chanced here. Do you have any details on this point?
I do not have any details about what have been improved what it comes to the tripod mount area. If OMDS says that then it has been improved.
As a hobby photographer, I cannot wait to get the om-5.
It is a good and fun camera.
I'm ordering this camera today and I'm super excited. I've had a Panasonic G7 for many years and I bring it into the outdoors and put it to hard use because it's not very expensive. I planned on getting the G9 but it was too heavy for what I want it for. The OM-5 is perfect for me. Lightweight and waterproof with cool features. My hobbies come first and photography second, and I find this to be the perfect camera for me.
Good choice! Enjoy!
Spot on. It is same things I said at the outset. The fact that it is a new company with limited resources seems to have been overlooked by most people, It made perfect sense they would make a camera that they already had the facilities to produce but with the new branding that they need to get customers used to and accept. The upgrades were only incremental but most new camera models are like that. And they needed to get a cheaper camera out as soon as possible because not everyone can afford or needs an OM-1, and stocks of the old Olympus branded models must be running, especially at the sale prices on offer at the moment. To me, it’s still a fantastic camera, but not one I’ll be buying simply because I find them too small for my hands. Everyone can have an opinion, but it is just an opinion and not necessarily correct or even valid. As for the menu thing, it could be updated with a later firmware release. Look at what Olympus did with the EM-1iii.
Well said.
My issue was more that this doesn't feel like as much of an upgrade over the previous EM-5 as the OM-1 was over the EM-1. On its own it's a solid camera, but if you have an EM-5 III it just doesn't make enough of a difference to upgrade. Regarding USB-C, I was really hoping it had that just for equipment compatibility. My cameras act as webcams at work and on a long meeting day I can burn through the Fuji's battery and need to switch to the EM-1. Having both use the same cord just makes the process quicker and cleaner.
Haters are gonna hate, of course negative came out. People these days are so quick to be negative and get "let down" over potentially anything. I think the upgrades are great. The features seem awesome. I currently am using an E-M5 Mark II and would appreciate and love if to use the OM-5. If I could afford it I would happily shoot with it and i am sure i would be passionate about using it. And to you, OM System(if you read this), I would LOVE an OM-5. Lol
Take care Peter. And great way to handle the critics.
Thank you.
Sigh. People are still going on and on about sensors. My opinion is ALL camera sensors are excellent now. What matters now is the processor, the software and the system overall.
As for om-5 being too expensive, well the Om-5 is clearly capable of professional use in many situations.
Very much appreciate your views and videos. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you.
This "OM5" is just a rehash of the Olympus OMD 5 III with very limited superficial changes merely to remove the Olympus name and move on to OMS logo. I can't believe that anyone would promote it or get excited about it as if it were anything significant to get excited about. It is definitely not worth it for anyone who owns the prior version, OMD 5III, to pay $1200 to buy it, not at all. What a shame, they could have at least updated the menu system but they didn't bother at all. From all appearances, they were in a hurry to just get a camera with their new name out the door without any substantive updates/upgrades.
Thanks for telling what a brand ambassador is. I did not know, now I do. Transparency to me always = credibility, so cool video 😎
Thanks.
If I didn’t already have the old em5 mk111 then I’d certainly buy this camera…..they are both great cameras ..
This is exactly why the OM-5 is a fail. It does not have enough new features to justify upgrading from the EM-5 M III. Nor will owners of earlier EM-5 or EM-10 have any incentive to go with the new version when the Mark III can be had for hundreds less. Sales will be disappointing and OMS’s revenues will suffer… not a good thing in a shrinking market. Sad….
OM5 body intro price £1199 in UK says Olympus EU. The EM5iii body plus flash can be found new for £635 if you shop around, though probably more elsewhere. Some people ask more than that secondhand! Same dealer has EM1iii body for £1099 new. Olympus still wants £1599 for it though - and £1049 for the EM5iii.
People will buy the OM5 when it gets discounted fairly deeply by dealers - and probably not much before that.
They'll have to discontinue the EM1 Mk iii, which can be had slightly cheaper than the OM5 introductory proce for anyone who shops around.
@@richardnugent7035 Seems that it might be a good time to pick up a discounted EM5iii for some people. Like me! I just did.
I really appreciate that it’s still in a smaller body unlike the Panasonics (all great cameras) they have ballooned in size… would I like it to be 200$ less money? I could say that about all cameras but for what it is it’s fine…. That said I’ll stick with the next em-10ii for now
Hi Peter, I have always enjoyed your reviews, your positive attitude and your honesty. Thank you.
Thanks you very much.
Love my OM-5. Paired with the 20mm f/1.4, terrific.
I also like that combo a lot.
The OM-5 is to the M1iii what the M5iii was to the M1ii and so pretty much the camera that I would expect it to be. I would also expect the OM-5ii (or whatever it is called), when it eventually arrives, to have the same relationship to the current OM-1.
Yes, that has been the way in the past also.
5:30 --> By the way, there is a meaningful difference between USB-C and Micro USB. USB C can transfer data at 10Gbps, Micro USB is limited to 480Mbps. It's more convenient to transfer files from the E-M1 III than the OM-5. And this will also impact cabled tethering - if the OM-5 even supports that (it's not in the specs).
I have used Olympus cameras for over a decade, and I have never used a cable to download images. Or to charge it. The only time was to update the firmware. Many users will be the same.
I have either never used cable to transfer image. Always a card reader or occasionally for a few to share I use wifi. The reason I use a card reader is that I always save the image as back up on my card for a little while. Just in case.
The speed is of course an important thing if you use the cable to transfer images.
OM-5 works for me, too, I upgraded from M10 and M10.2 so A) the menu system feels familiarly comfortable (I never used an M1 or OM-1) and B) the battery is the same as the M10.x which is handy for me with a handful of batteries. So its real easy to carry the M10.2 as a backup. It has a lot of the features of the M1.3 I sort of wished for, and the USB connector isn't a deal breaker - it feels like they should have gone with the latest USB-C but it beats the old Olympus proprietary USB data cable that couldn't charge anyway.
Glad to hear.
The E-M5 Mark II was a masterpiece, I still own it and I wish an upgraded model with metal body, stacked-sensor, improved menus, headphone jack and USB-C had been produced, I would buy immediately. But currently the OM-1 MK 2 is cheaper than the OM-5 and is a far superior camera. The OM-5 was a huge disappointment, so I bought the OM-1, although I would have preferred a smaller, sexier body
I would pick OM-5 over E-M1 Mark II, but it depends how big the price difference is.
@@ForsgardPeter OK the E-M1 might not be superior, but it has a headphone jack that is essentail for what I do. As for price, in Australia you can buy an ex-demo E-M1 II for around AUS1000 while the OM-5 is around AUS1800. Anyway I ended up spending AUS3000 on the OM-1, it's a a lot of money but at least the camera is a very substantial improvement on my old E-M1 Mark 2 and I don't want to change system, I own too many M43 lenses. I am just disappointed that a real successor to the e-M5 II was never produced, that camera ticked all boxes when it was introduced. I still have it and still love it
You certainly don't deserve any abuse. Thank you for putting yourself out into the public with your videos. They have made me a better photographer.
I'm not sure if I want to upgrade from my e-m5 iii and perhaps that is ok. Major upgrades over one single generation seem rare in tech. The features they added with hh high res and live nd are the ones I find most compelling for my shooting. I'm packing for a trip to a new city and I really don't want to bring my tripod!
I also find it great that the body stayed the same. That helps save on some accessory costs. I hope that also means the grip can be brought forward.
Thanks.
I love your reviews, Peter! I also love it, that you will answer questions about new equipment that I don’t have access to. I really really appreciate that. Keep up the good work. As far as the OM - 5 even though I have two OM-1 I would buy one for travel if it had a more compact lens camera system. Those Pro lenses are just too big.
not all pro lenses are too big, really. the 20mm f1.4 is a perfect, versatile travel companion in my opinion. or the 12-45 f4. and they nicely pair with e-m5/om-5. whether that's some gear one would get on top of other pro lenses, is another question of budget. ;)
Micro usb may not be a big deal, but my EM1ii which is 6 years old has usb-c. So that begs the question: Why did they put micro usb in this camera? It doesn't make any sense, unless it's just a way of differentiating their higher priced OM1. This seems rather petty, and somewhat manipulating. It may not be a big deal, but I bet if they had put micro usb in the OM1, people wouldn't be saying it's not a big deal. People would be saying that it's a ridiculous thing to do.
It seems OM System decided do not risk with body redesign.
I not sure I can add anything to this argument. There is no such thing as the perfect camera for all people. I think it will be a very nice camera for its target market. Personally, I want the OM1 but I have told two people I know who are in the market for “real” cameras (they use their iPhones now) to look into the OM5 because I like the camera is a good match for them and what they want out of a camera system. Keep up the great work, love your videos! 😀
Peter, I'm sorry people went after you - you've always been a positive person in a RUclips genre that can get really tribal and that's not cool.
With the OM-5, the plastic body brothers me because it has a vintage style...but then is plastic. For me it ruins the feel. But, hey, we got our own opinions and my em5 M2 is still going strong
Thanks.
I ordered this camera today with the 12-200 lens. I traded in my Nikon D7500 and 3 lenses. I got tired of lugging it around on hikes. I’m an enthusiast photographer and have been paid for some portraits, events at work and church and a wedding. I enjoy landscape and wildlife a lot more. I think this will be a good fit.
Nice, enjoy your new camera.
Excellent commentary! After watching many of your videos, the LAST thing I would say about you is that you are a shill! This is a very unfortunate and unfair comment to make about you. That said, I believe that after watching this latest video, you has convinced me to make the leap and purchase an OM-5. As a landscape photographer, I felt that the OM-1 might be "too much camera" for my purposes. The new OM-5 might just be the ticket for me.
Thank you for your objective videos, Peter! Keep them coming! I look forward to watching them!
Thanks.
For me, I have got used to using standalone charger so micro-USB is not a problem for me (though USB-C is preferrable). I (and many other people) are disappointed that the new features and improvement over E-M5 III are so minor.
There is a review video for E-M5 III by you (called 'Olympus E-M5 MKIII - First Impression!) three years ago in this channel. In that video, your main complaints are (i) battery life (ii) ergonomics issue with the back dial. These issues remain unchanged in OM-5.
I remember the back wheel problem. It was changed from Mark II to be a bit more back. The thing is that I am use to it now. It is the same way in E-M1 Mark III and OM-1 so that is way it is not that bad anymore. We get used to different things when we use them a long time. The battery thing something I did mention back then. Yes, it still has the same amount of images.
Oh and one more thing- If the OM-5 is aimed at people recording family moments when they are with friends outdoors, the cell phone today fulfills that role. So I am not sure that's the right marketing for this camera. At least in the USA, what I see is the 'carry small, hiking outdoor adventurer" and not necessarily at all "collect memories of family / friends while doing so." The later is something the cell phone is delivering and doing right now.
Just forget the bashers …. you are very straight forward …excelent
Thanks.
@@ForsgardPeter A lot of people want you to go hard in the situe to OMDS like Robin ..but I think Robin can do that and you not .
I think the problem is OMDS' credibility. With the OM-5, they created a "new" camera in the cheapest way possible. That doesn't inspire confidence, and the dubious interview statements by OMDS managers don't help either. It's like Ricoh: They introduced the KF as a recycled K70. For me, this means that there is no more money for investments and/or they are not listening to the customers. There is another parallel: both camera brands are the camera divisions that was sold off by the original companies, perhaps a bad omen.
Can you point me toward those OMDS interviews? Would love to see how they're positioning things
I also would like links to those interviews! OMDS has not given many of them lately. Please share links!
This looks like the perfect camera for me and I would buy it if I could afford it. It has starry sky, live comp, high res and better ibis than what I have now. What more could I possibly need?
Hey Peter, just wanted to say that while I may not agree with you entirely with your assessment of the OM-5, I’m very sorry people were attacking you and criticizing you. I appreciate your positivity and love looking at your photos.
Also, you’re 100% right about the OM-1. It’s an incredible camera with a price that is unbelievably good. I think OMDS probably suffered from their success on that one. The OM-1 was so good that expectations for the OM-5 were too high. It’s not for me, and I don’t think the OM-5 is as good as it could’ve/should’ve been, but you’re right that it is still a great camera and absolutely superior to the M5 III.
Thanks.
Sorry for all the sour reactions to you regarding your review. Just ordered the om5 today with the 60mm macro lens. Its going to be my dedicated macro setup. Cant wait!
Hope you enjoy it!
I'm very satisfied with that combo
@@heinz4841 I had it for a few months now and I am really impressed by it!
I might buy this camera for video. E-M5 III unfortunately did not have auto ISO in manual mode for video. This one has it. It also has (very) good stabilization in video, movable touchscreen, 4k with no crop, and (very) good rolling shutter. But I was expecting some improvements compared to E-M5 III. The best video (DCI, C4K) is only at 24 fps. Why they did not include 25 and 30 fps? Standard 4K has 24, 25 and 30 fps but it's softer. Compared to Panasonic it has a phase AF but it's not as good as Canon/ Sony. So IMO they should have improved this camera more.
On the other hand, for casual video work every system has flaws. Canon/Nikon in APSC forgot to offer native lenses. Sony aspc has a very old sensor with enormous rolling shutter. Fuji - they say issues with AF. Panasonic - no phase AF.
So this camera might be a good option for casual filming. It also has a flat profile and OM LOG but... only 8 bits.
It's not perfect, but I might buy it. Waiting for reviews. I won't wait for OM-3 or OM-10 because no one knows when / or if at all.
I'm a bit disappointed because they could have improved this camera in many aspects but they did not. Just polished a bit here and there.
I agree that C4K should have more frame rates. Video AF has been quite good and in most cases it has been good enough and I ahve had no problems what so ever.
Hi Peter, thanks for your reviews. I’ve been shooting different subjects with a lot of different gear and formats for 50+ years, the second half as a part-time pro. Today, I do fine art/landscape/nature photography and some product and outdoor documentary video using M43 and Nikon FX gear. I have had Olympus cameras since the original OM1. This year, I upgraded from the EM1M3 and EM5M3 to the OM1 and OM5 (arrived a few days ago). Since the intro of the EM5 series, these cameras have been my favorite due to their combination of competence, IBIS, weatherization, computational features, portability and the sheer pleasure of working with them. I believe that the OM5 has been suffering from unrealistic expectations fueled partly by the OM1 and mostly by hyperbolic speculations of on-line influencers. The OM1and OM5 are not directly comparable with the OM1 costing almost 2x as much (I use it when I need subject recognition AF, as a 2nd video camera at 4K/60 and the security of a double card). The EM5M3 is already a great little camera and there would be no need to upgrade unless the new/improved features of the OM5 were truly useful. I did upgrade because, as an all-weather outdoor photographer I can use as much IBIS and weatherization as possible, Live ND and HHHRS, and the improved video features. I am also eager to try exposure smoothing with my time lapse work. IMO, with its feature set the OM5 is NOT a beginner’s camera. Excluding the single card (due to its small size) and some limitations for fast action and low light subjects, it is suited for pro-level work such as my poster-size fine art prints. But, to exploit its potential, one must diligently read the manual, do some additional research on the web and experiment. Failure to do so is unwise. Case in point: I recently sold an EM1M3 and a GH5. Both buyers took a camera setting for a malfunction. I resolved one issue by email but I had to take the other camera back - and resell it for more money :-) -. In conclusion, while the OM 5 has competition for some technical features, it is still the smallest, lightest body offering its level of competence. Pair it with an 8-25mm f/4, 12-40mm f/2.8, 40-150mm f/2.8 and an MC 20 and you have a hard-to-beat, 16-600mm f/2.8-5.6 compact system. Most users (Chris Nichols included) report on the delight of working with the EM5 series cameras, OM 5 included.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Hi Peter. I don't believe you are a 'shill' I too have been a dedicated Micro Four Thirds user for many years and really value the compact size of the system. I own EM 5 II & III cameras and a selection of lenses.I have no intention of leaving the format and hope they go from strength to strength.
However, I have to strongly disagree with your position regarding Micro USB vs USB C. USB C is now the industry standard and has much more to offer in terms of speed and compatibility with other devices / chargers. I also cannot excuse omission of new menu system and feel EVF is now very much sub par. What OMDS have released should have been a firmware upgrade for the EM5 III. Not worthy of anything more. Would have been a good release 3 years ago but now neither groundbreaking or keeping up with the competition.
Totally with you, David. USB C is a standard feature now, and offers many things that Micro did not. Being able to charge a portable travel camera through PD on the go is a big deal and can potentially save the buyer relevant money on batteries. It also makes the total package smaller for travelling, since you don’t need to bring a separate charger.
The omission of the new menu system is really poor, as well. It really shouldn’t have been very hard to move the new menus over. OMDS just didn’t want to spend the time/money to do it.
Not necessarily with you on the EVF, since the R7 also has the same resolution EVF. That said, the R7 and R10 both have subject detection autofocus. For a camera of this price, they could have included it, particularly since the OM-5 has the same sensor and processor (better processor) as the M1X.
I think we would have been foolish to expect the OM1 sensor on this camera, but a USB C port, OM1 menus, and bird detection autofocus would have made this camera a really compelling buy. Instead, OMDS has to work to convince people that it’s a good camera for travel. It is, but it could have been way better with just a little bit more effort.
I worry a bit for omds that they are after a market with this one that is already saturated with cell phones.
I am still intrigued about the OM-5 because I like its tougher and smarter body compared with the EM-5 mark III. Nice that it also has 4 custom modes instead 3 and those can be assigned to buttons. OMDS might improve the menu and usability by means of firmware updates in the future, which looks more probable than for the predecessor. I am not in a rush for the upgrade but will keep an eye on possibilities for that.
The body is identical, isn't it? Or do you mean the new weather proof rating? I tried doing a little digging into that, and from what I can tell, it seemed like more of a marketing thing than an actual change in quality of construction. If you compare the two bodies, they are absolutely identical except for the logo.
The official OM-5 specs highlight IP53 instead of IPX1 in the predecessor. This means protection against water spray at 60 dgr (class 3) instead of vertical water drops (class 1).
@@timofeysavelyev9301 For sure. I'm aware of what the ratings mean. I'm just unsure if there were actually any changes made, but they simply upped the rating.
@@WSS_the_OG Who knows. I must say my EM-5:mark III withstood heavy rain many times.
I have also been on the verge of purchasing the Fujifilm X-S20 starting with the 18-55mm lens. But when I looked a little further to possibly buy an additional lens later, the weight above the kilogram was a stumbling block for me. I immediately put that idea away and am still an Olympus user with the OM-D-E M5 Mark III. The new OM-5 now marketed by OM SYSTEMS does not appeal to me either. Gives me little added value than my old Olympus. Decided to wait and perhaps later switch to a device that can offer me added value.
I believe the OM5 is a good camera but I believe the price is too high and the the camera is not as advanced as it could be for the cost .I have the OMD EM1 Mark iii which I believe is more advanced than the OM5 considering it is two years older and the build quality of the EM1 mark iii is so much better at cost comparison the OM5 is $1299.00 and you can get the OMD EM1 Mark iii for $1499.99 US dollars. And I love all your videos and you are a great photographer. I believe all your words are honest and true . I myself have learned a lot from your videos and I purchased you lessons too .
You are correct. E-M1 III owner here too. The E-M1 III blows the OM-5 out of the water. Much better build quality. Slightly better viewfinder. Much better shutter, both the mechanical and electronic shutter can do twice the fps on the E-M1 III compared to the OM5.
I agree that it might not be a wise thing to upgrade form E-M1 Mark III. I would not. E-M1 series is a different camera than OM-5 cameras.
Your first point about user experience is important. I recall prolific film users who never desired anything more than a Zenit or Praktica. They were interested in their pet subject and a camera was just a means to an end. They left an important documentary legacy while Nikon and Canon users were busy creating "art".
My only complain is whether it will be future proof or not… the usb-c thing and, specially, sticking to the old menus are signs to be worried about. I have a em5 Mk2 and was waiting this new iteration to jump to a new body… now i have my doubts if it is worth investing on the Om5 or if I shall wait the next one 🤷🏻♂️ now I see you even switch tto Fuji…
I did switch because of the video features. I still use OM-5 every now and then.
Peter .I think anyone who thought that you were shilling is very wrong and I have difficulty in seeing their justification .As for the EM5 , no camera has every feature that everyone will want..I think it will sell to people who find it appropriate and suites their lifestyle and ambitions. You can't ask for much more than this !!.
Thanks for your support.
I personally hold all manufacturers to a higher standard, and don't think it's right for us to simply accept that all cameras will do some things badly. Why should they? And why let them get away with it? If they wanted to, they could design cameras that do everything well. But instead, each camera company has a thing or two it does well, then the rest is an afterthought or only half-done (so that they say it has that feature on a marketing sheet). It shouldn't be "normal" lacks features, or has them but they're not well implemented. We know it can be done well, so that's how it should be done.
I don't really care whose name is on the camera either. But you raised an important point. People buy specific cameras if they prioritise certain things, such as great AF, or great IBIS, or great video CODECs, or low noise. My frustration is, why can't one single manufacturer do all of those things? That would be better for the consumer.
Peter, most of your supporters know you are not shilling; your interest and motivations are well understood by the majority of those that watch your channel, others can watch other videos if they desire. As you noted, OMDS has a different marketing approach than Olympus and only time will tell whether this new approach will succeed. I believe it will be more successful as these are proven marketing techniques used is sell many other products. Most people are not technical camera experts; they are simply trying to satisfy themselves and their lives in some way and if you can market to that need the cameras will sell.
Peter, great explanation. I was on the side of Robin Wong's comments, but I do see the value in the camera for a certain market. I was definitely a target purchaser had I not bought the EM1iii this past summer. In fact, I would've preferred this as it complements the EM5iii I already have and the batteries are compatible. I think where some of us are concerned, you've identified in this video. OMDS may have a problem here with the target market identifying itself.. But, I do agree with Robin in a couple of aspects, insofar as they are playing catchup. The EM5ii was more video-centric when it was released than the original EM1. The problem here is that OMDS is behind the competition on the video side. OM1 represented an improvement, and closed the gap, but assuming the refresh cycle is 3 years, it will continue to fall behind the competiion. OM-5, save for the vertical mode and OM-log, didn't offer improvement on the video front beyond what EM1iii has. So it lags further behind. I would have liked to see this released next year with enhanced video capability such as HD 240p, 4k 120p. I think that would have been a winner. For me, and I suspect others, the worry is that OMDS will always be playing catch up on significant areas such as video and thus grabbing new customers could be a problem. We all want to see them survive and thrive. I purchased the EM1iii, the 100-400mm lens, and 60mm macro since OMDS took over. They have still been getting my photography $$. I certainly like the looks of the 40-150 f4 pro lens and maybe the 8-25mm f4 and the 17mm f1.2. Let's hope you are right and the OM-5 will sell well.
I agree about the video specs. That is something Olympus should have concentrated more on. Now that is something OMDS should do. There is a market for this camera. It wont be easy, but lets hope they will succeed.
How does the day to day AF performance when taking family photos compared to older olympus cameras? Lets say previous EM 5, EM 10 and Pen F? Thank you.
Face detect plus phase detect should be pretty good in comparison.
i'd say it completely depends on your usecases and which camera you are comparing to. with phase-detection on sensor AF-C performance is way better (accuracy & speed). this is available from E-M5III or E-M1 series only. E-M5II didn't have it yet, either.
for AF-S it's not a big difference - it already was great in E-P5 for example (release in 2013).
They have improved the face and eye priority AF. It should be better.
@@ForsgardPeter Hi. In your opinion, is it comparable to the EM1 III? The features and streetprice are similar. Which one would you recommend?
It depends on what you see as a more valuable, slightly better camera over a smaller camera. E-M1 Mark III is a better camera, and if the price is the same, I would get that unless you want almost the same in a smaller package.
Hi Peter, I am glad that the essence of EM1.3 is now in a more compact body of OM5. Immediately, I felt that it's target audience is someone who wanted to upgrade tosome feature of EM1.3.
Olympus had many good lens design but lacks the funds to release them. OMDS realise these lens releases. Everybody wanted everything and everything which does not belongs to OMDS need to be paid license. I however think that OMDS should invest in USB C as apple products will be using those USB C soon.
maybe having inbuilt USB C ports could make it easier to connect to phone or computer. it could be used for mic, and charger too.
I bought the OM-5 too.
When it was first launched I was a bit disappointed, mostly because of the rumors saying the stacked sensor and so on. But then i thought, was I not happy with my EM1.3 after i got my OM-1? Yes i still loved the EM1.3. Because I needed a smaller OM-5 or EM5-like camera, I did first day thought of buying the EM5.3, but changed my mind and ordered the OM-5 together with the 60mm f2.8 macro and the 8-25mm f4. Prize tag för OM-5 is acceptable, when you think of world inflation increases. Don't forget that.
I need it for digitalizing thousands of negatives size 24x36 up to glass negatives 13x16cm. And once in a while, I need it in really bad military conditions.
I still hope for the new menu system, but I will survive anyway.
The new OM-5 will be super perfect enough camera. And then i also have the OM-1 and for a while the EM1.3 too. Life will be happy and work flow good.
I have been listening carefully to you Peter, and to many more the first three days after release, and a lot of comments out there were unfair to the new camera. I have big trust in your opinion.
Thanks.
I think you are correct, the market for the OM-5 is not the tech interested reviewers. And I think that most people following youtubers discussing camera equipment are tech interested too, and have a high-end camera model.
As you say, the market is for those who finds the phone is too limited (a decreasing market) and their choice is between the E-M10 and the OM-5.
You could argue that they can choose the E-M10 instead (a waterproof version would cannibalise the OM-5), so the question is if there is a need for two levels?
About the phone being too limited... have a look at the iPhone 14 Pro: cheaper than OM-5. Comes with 3 lenses (and sensors) covering super-wide to medium tele with some clever tricks. As much as I don't like phones as cameras - handling, controls, finder etc. I'm beginning to think I should try to embrace the benefits and live with the limitations... this is no longer something one can dismiss as a complete non-starter!
Smart phones are great cameras. There is always some limitations and biggest being ergonomics. That is the biggest reason I do not use smart phones as cameras that much. I do sometime make a quick shot and share it.
I agree that OM-10 will even harder to sell than OM-5.
@@NeekonMike Do you really do photography, which phones provide basic flash setups, fast on the fly settings changes / bulk changes, use of filters, lens hoods, my god if I see any more phone footage with unintentional lens flare and excessive jitterness due to high shutter speed I'll scream.
@@MrReadboy Perhaps you should re-read what I wrote. I don't really like phones, but I see them making huge strides in terms of usability and quality of results. Think about this: photography market shrunk from 120+M to 8M units sold (yearly), and the world keeps spinning while producing more photos than ever!
I also have my reservations about this new camera. Don't see the advantage in handing in my Olympus E5 Mark III for the new OMDS E5 Mark III. But that, as you say, is everyone's judgment. I do find the negative assessment of you person inappropriate. As long as I follow you, I have always found your judgment very positive and interesting. Always learned a lot from your findings. That is why I will continue to follow you and thank you for that.
Greetings from Belgium
Freddy Van Erp
I kind of agree with your comments as I also have an EM5iii - but I’m still happy with majority of my camera! I think the days of the existing user of a model being expected to pay out and upgrade is over (apart from mobile phones). I do like the idea of HHHR mode - but then I just watched a video this morning by a Fujifilm user who was showing sample images from 16MP, 20MP, 24MP and 40MP and without huge amounts of pixel peeping, you can’t see the difference!
Like I have said that if the new features are not something you need then it is not a wise thing to upgrade. Thanks both of you for the comment.
No Peter, not rumors. Value-price relations and market-customer concept are important. The dual pair m1-m5, m1m2-m5m2 is consistent, m1m3-m5m3 (where is usb-c) is still ok, and om1-om5 (where is usb-c in a camera built in 2023!!!) is a discrepancy. Different menu, different matrix, different concept. The market is tough. The price of the body om system is high - market competitor: g9, gh6, s5, s1,z5,z6m2, a7m3,fuji, r6 and any. Choice is...?
The choice depends on the features and what camera feels right. Of course also price has something to do with the choice. You listed a few cameras that are totally for different purpose than OM-5. I do not see that GH6 and OM-5 are alternatives for many. Maybe for vloggers and for that OM-5 is a good alternative. Small and light with goo video specs for vloggers. For filmmaking GH6 for sure is a better choice. Canon R6 is about 1000 more money and more expensive lenses on top of that. Not sure Canon R6 and OM-5 are alternatives for many. Fuji is a good example of an alternative to OM-5. Just to mention a few things. Many of those camera a re better than OM-5, but the price range is also different. I think we should compare cameras what they are meant for.
@@ForsgardPeter The typical use the camera is shot the photo.Yes. When you "buy a camera" in reality you "buy a system".The typical m43 user uses 2-5 bodies. Market idea om5(+12-45f4) is a pocket camera. Price this set is identical to a7m3, s5, x-t4, z5+24-70f4. The market/buyer dilemma: pocket or weight (and enlargement the system). Today many people talk: "i bought m5m3+12-45 f4 pocket set and use second system FF or apsc as basic system and sell all other m43". 5-10 years ago a lot of people used m10 and bought/replaced to m5. Om 5 is for this client? I don't know. The money for first set is limited and money for the system is unlimited😁
Peter. They could do it better. Looks like they didn't want to invest anything on it. They could bring most of the things via software upgrade to mark 3. Seems like lowest budget upgrade ever
The problem would have been LiveND and HHHR. It needs the more powerful processor. Both of those features are very good for the target audience.
@@ForsgardPeter yes. But these camera should make mark 3 owners more reasons to want to upgrade. It doesn't do it.
More would have been of course better, but time will tell if it is enough.
@@ForsgardPeter yep
Would this be an ok beginner's camera? I like that is small and lightweight and for around $1000 that is being sold on Amazon (body only) it seems there's not much competition without paying considerably more (eg Sony A7 series, Nikon Zs etc). I don't care much about menus and stuff since for a beginner it's all confusing anyway :P
I would look for used gear. It is really hard to say for sure what is the best option. What are going to be photographing?
@@ForsgardPeter Not completely decided yet, still kinda looking to start from somewhere - taking photos of my dog, some street/building photos, maybe nature too.
Not a great choice of used stuff where I'm currently located, but even on ebay imo if something is in really good condition, the price doesn't seem too different from the brand new; for example used em5.3 in good condition around $700 while brand new around $900 - not really saving much.
During the 70s and 80s Olympus had a distinct and widely recognised market among travel and outdoor photographers as their cameras were significantly smaller and lighter than, say, Nikons but arguably just as good. That seems something they seem keen to resurrect. They lost their way in this market segment at the beginning of the AF era (the OM707 was a disaster area) but were big in the 35mm compact market, particularly with the legendary Mju. Obviously the compact market is effectively dead now so they are going back to their roots.
I totally agree that Olympus lost their mojo when AF came. That happend to many other brands too. I had Pentax at the time and they failed producing a decent AF camera. I switched to Canon.
You are absolutely right, OMDS is going back to the Olympus roots. Will it work is an other story.
We get too many camera RUclipsrs always talking about a brands cutting edge gear.. and way too few talking about what gear fits the need of the viewer... And they always seem to suggest that if camera is not the height of tech that it's a disappointment. 90% of beginner or casual photographerss would never max out what the OM-5 would be able to do. It's better that they learn to use the cameras feature set to create the images they want. I think a bigger investment in glass makes more sense. Who cares if the charging port is old school Micro USB rather than a type C?? Having said that.. I'm glad I have an EM-1 MKIII...It does all it does and I got a beautiful used one for less than the OM-5 new.. That is really the sticker for me.. that a new camera in the line,,using many throwback features is still priced that high. It just seems the opportunity to bring many new people into the OM System fold is going to be squandered by uncompetitive prices-- against many brand names that are better known to non photographers...
Hi Peter,
Thank you for this review. I have questions:
-Is this camera good in low light?
-Will my lenses from my OMD work with it?
-What is the difference with OM from the OMD-5?
-Is it worth buy it since I own a OMD-5 mark iii?
I value your pov and thank you very much as always.
For lowlight photography there are better option if we think of just the image quality. You need to be very careful and see that the exposure is spot on.
Your lenses will work.
OM SYSTEM is the new brand.
Upgrading depends if you need the new features that OM-5 has. If not then it is not worth.
@@ForsgardPeter Thank you, sir.
USB C is a very big deal, it's future-proofing, Micro USB is not reliable
Sure, when all my device is USB-C, why I need to bring a specific cable for my camera charging in the travel
Are you honestly saying that these cameras will last longer than availability of the micro USB cables which many people still use on their phones? Not everyone churns kit every year and there are still a ton of micro USB devices around. There is no problem getting from Amazon the ancient original specialised Olympus cable pre-dating micro USB which I still use on a TG310. Olympus always have lagged with connectors and it has never been a big deal so OMD are not doing anything new here.
Just think about that you lost the micro usb cable in the travel and it is not like usb-c you have spare, then you will have other feeling
@@MarcoYuen Buy a spare micro usb. It is such a miniscule cost against these modern cameras. It is amazing people talking about these over £1,000 cameras but then the cost of a little cable or the weight of it in a backpack is the absolute end of the world. For many cameras buy a cheap charger and it will likely be micro usb. I have a pile of micro usb cables anyhow. I suppose this would be your first USB acquisition. This is a bit of a storm in a teacup really. A bit like buying a super yacht and complaining about the shape and cost of the beer mats.
@@michaeld5888almost bring a charger is the best solution, but not my choice. I think M43 system is a light weight system so anything can be decrease my backpack weight, i sure i will do this. Mirco usb and non-metal body work fine, but not old omd owner want.
Dear Peter. Very curious about live ND for things that aren’t water. Please explain more!
Probably to blur out traffic and people moving past stationary objects.
LiveND is a very good features and I do not need to carry ND filters. I used it like Dave said. Blurring out traffic, metros etc. behind stationary subjects.
Very little to find positive in this release. They should include the new sensor and menu system here. The only difference between the pro om1 and the om5 should be form factor, card slots, build and perhaps some specs on the edges (max as, base ISO) but the sensor and menu system should be the same.
Awesome video Peter! I think it is a neat camera, will I buy it, no, that's because I have 5 OMDs right now. Some of the OM1 trickled down to the OM5, that is cool, menus are not a big deal, I have so many digital cameras all with different menus, one will get used to it once they have given it time and learning, same with all digi cams. As to the USB thing, on the back side of my bedroom door, is hangers for all of my cables for my USB stuff... I feel that the OM5 would be a nice complement to the OM1 as an OMDS kit. I think you are an up front and honest person, kinda like the Rob Trek, Robin and Red35, I trust and enjoy your content. Cheers!
Thanks Randy.
Can you give the cursor directions functions, like metering methode or WB? When it isnt used for af or menu navigation?
The EM5 III can be a great camera for adventure as well. Without the need to call for OM5 to use at all, so just OMDS produces EM5 IIIs for sale at a cheap price. That's enough, but making OM5 out and selling it at such a high price.....it's suicide.
Also, OM5 is not considered a further development from EM5 III, because EM1 III has nothing to improve from EM1 II at all.
...... From Olympus user ......
I have and really like an OM-1 and I do agree that OMS stumbled a bit with this camera. Will I buy one? I don't know but I won't make my decision on what the menu is or the micro USB. Would these be nice, yes but I'm more interested in image quality. I agree that these will sell and my guess is that the actual user reviews will be quite positive.