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I didn't know there was a "Picture of Dorian Gray" reference in the show in regards to Alison. Thats brilliant. She is so much like him as well.
The picture of Dorian Gray is a story written by Oscar Wilde. It's about a young incredibly beautiful man named Dorian Gray who has a self portrait painted of him. And influenced by one other person he expresses the disaire of internal youth whising that the painting would grow old in his place. The picture becomes a representation of his soul and he gets his eternal youth. He lives a life only seeking pleasure, partly influenced by the person who made him desire eternal youth. But he goes to the extreme destroying and even killing a lot of people for his own pleasure and experiences. But for every sin he commits the painting gets ugilier, and more and more horrifying. So while everyone is looking at his pretty face and disbeliving all the rumors of all the things he did simply because he is so charming and handsome, he is left seeing his portrait get uglier and more and more horifiying every day. They look at his pretty face, he is left looking at his own disgusting soul. He seduces and sleeps whit both men and women, even his friend...
Spoiler Warning: rigth before killing that friend for painting him.
"That's imortality my darlings"
"I only kill when we need food or when I'm bored" plus the way she was seducing Emiliy suddenly feels so Dorian Gray to me. I would have loved it for them to go down that route.
That’s awesome what the heck
That sounds awesome, it would have been interesting to watch!
That was my hope too!
YES
I despised reading that book but this comment made me appreciate it more
I definitely think Sasha's (Alison's actress) weight gain effected her character. Hollywood is always fat phobic. Fat or plus sized women are always portrayed as weak or good. It's also obvious in her fashion choices, the old Ali would never wear those clothes.
Can’t agree more 💯 even though sasha couldn’t wear the same clothes as she did before she can wear way better clothes then the ones she wore in the show:( sasha could pull so many different fits regardless of her weight. Hollywood just cant see that. It upsets me alot its not just her fashion sence that changed its her character overall she changed into a survivor and a strong women to a weak and vulnerable person alison had so much more potential it’s upsets me to this day that it was just thrown off like that.
I had literally never thought of this but this is such a good point!! That is so messed up :( wasn’t she like 12 when they started filming? Wow underrated comment 🙌🏻
@@jjjjj4787 yes when shot the pilot she was 12 years old
oh absolutely. there are such good options for plus size women in fashion that the people who dressed her are just lazy.
Yep. It's pretty disgusting. Why CAN'T a femme fatale or female villian be a larger woman? (We know why: fatphobic Hollywood.) She's still gorgeous, they didn't have to totally ruin the character, who for a lot of us was what gave that show the early hook.
I couldn't care less if making Alison A is too "obvious". I'd rather have a good, cohesive, solvable mystery over what we got. Alison was perfect as a villain.
Yes definitely the writers and Marlene basically did the same thing that Andrew dabb did with supernatural final four seasons by doing fan service and suddenly dropping storylines the fans wanted Emily and alison together 🤯😬😠😡🤬
I haven't had a chance to watch this video yet because I'm at work, but I'm curious why you think Alison would have made a cohesive end villain. I understand why she would be better than Alex Drake, but I can't think of a motive for Alison to be "A." She was already bullying and blackmailing everyone in town, including her friends, and there was nothing "A" could gain access to by remaining anonymous that Alison couldn't just get. She had just as much if not more power when she was visible.
@@sunnycastiglioni7512 if you ever read the books that the show is based on you would know that alison was the big bad A in the book series and she was a sociopath who worked far more better as a villain you could see it in the early seasons of the show they definitely should had kept her like that and sticked to the books when it came to her because of Marlene king decision to change alison entirely she basically ruined her character a big mistake that didn't work and because of it the show suffered in the last three seasons like any show or movie without a great villain your basically setting yourself up for failure 🤔🤯😬😠😡🤬
@@cynthiaholmes5124 Well, it's true that I didn't read the books. If what you're saying is that you wish the show had been written differently, I do agree.
@@sunnycastiglioni7512 unfortunately yes the writers really dropped the ball 😢😥🤯😠😡
Putting Emily and Allison together was awful! It perpetuates the ‘the person who bullies you actually likes you’ stereotype which is especially prevalent in gay couples
Yeah Emily definitely deserved better I wanted her to be with maya putting her with alison never made since
So true
omg they did that with emily and paige too
i mean COME ON she held emily’s head underwater
@@makaylalashe4730 right? So redundant. I’m not a huge Paily fan, but they were more believable than Alison and Emily
I think in this case it made sense. Enemies to lover trope is very common. I liked this couple. I didn't like the impregnating Allison with Emily's baby. But, they made it consistent that Allison had a soft spot for Emily. I mean "practice kissing". I think that people don't understand how far LGBT characters and their depictions have come in the past decade. As someone in their mid-30's. It's easy to look back and critique things. I mean when this show premiered LGBTQ marriage wasn't even recognized federally. I think Allison could have had a redemption arc but, it needed to be better. Everyone loves a good redemption story. They didn't have to make her so weak, she could have remained sassy.
The writers missed a big opportunity with a plus size Allison taunting Hannah, being popular, turning people against her, ruining her image and being overall still the queen bee after her return, thus showing Hannah that popularity was never about size, but about personality and power.
ikr tbh the meanest girl i know has literally been hospitalized for a while now cuz of her weight and that literally didnt stop her from being the most manipulative bitch ever like.. turning ali into the token compassionate and kind fat character was a wasted opportunity
THIS
OMG what a loss for us 😢
Oh that would have been so good
also Sasha was around 13 when they started to film pll so she hit puberty while filming and it's totally normal for a girls body to change during puberty and i feel that people who fatshame her tend to forget that
She also has PCOS which means it's a lot easier to gain weight and harder to lose it. It's not okay to shame people for being bigger than average so it's said to see the headlines about her in the past :(
@@jade5736 agree however she was going to gain weight anyway because in the pilot she is literally a twelve year old child…. She’s prepubescent in every way!
So like, idk wtf the world was expecting from my girl Sash, :(
She’s literally stunning, and SO goddamn talented. She deserved so much better than what the writers of PLL did with her character.
YES!!! Even if she didn’t have a medical condition that caused weight gain she would have gained weight and her body would have just changed
I remember going through puberty at 9 and by 10 I had hips, a B cup, and stretch marks and no one my age in my school did and I felt so insecure and was so confused why my clothes didn’t fit anymore
She looks curvy so no matter the weight loss she would never be stick thin cause she has HIPS and be bone structure is never going to look like Aria for example or Ashley... it’s more like Hannah
Hannah was NEVER fat but people always would point her out as the bigger of the core group when she was just curviest
I can't imagine being 12 and playing a sociopath on TV the pressure must've been insane but she killed it.
And the youngest girl playing one of the other liars was 20 at the start so they all had already gone through puberty so the differences between their aging over the seasons is ofc much less pronounced than the girl going from 12/13 to 20ish.
I wish they pulled a Katherine in vampire diaries and had her be a constant bad person who was just so fun
I feel like unlike Alison, Katherine should have had a happy ending. She should have died in 5X11 after reconnecting with Nadia and be with her family in the afterlife because, unlike Alison, Kat is not born evil she became a backstabing heartless bitch, because, she lost her baby, Klaus killed her entire family and chased her for 500 years. The Elena body hijacking and worst of all the "Queen of hell" destroyed her entire character.
@@charlestoti2252 you feel that way because TVD did a good job portraying Katherine and sharing her backstory. THEY did the redemption thing well even when they weren't even trying to redeem her, cause she ended up a villain till the end.
@@loloppololp9304 YESS! Alison had no reason to be that horrible.
@@charlestoti2252 for the redemption, they should've shown why she got that mean. Instead, they gave us nothing (except a few scenes where little Ali had to be taught to lie)... Leading us to conclude that she was just born terrible. So the whole redemption thing kind of fell flat cause it made no sense. I'm still mad at how they ruined her. She was my fav.
@@loloppololp9304 yess, i feel like they could have keep the twin twist with Courtney being the one who came back in season 5 and with Alison being AD (A-lison D-ilaurentis, AD for good sake.). Wren should have been A not cece (she should have been Red Coat and Melissa should have been Black widow). Shower harvey should have never existed. And EZRA SHOULD HAVE WENT TO JAIL AFter saeson 4.
What the writers failed to realize: a good mystery ending is supposed to be something you can guess. If it’s something that no one could guess then it’s not a good ending. Alison being A might have been obvious but that doesn’t mean that’s a bad thing.
Yeah you're right alison was always better as a villain she was a great protagonist in the book series and I know that sasha could had played that very well she did in the early seasons so much wasted potential with her character 😬🤯😠😡🥶🤬
If im not wrong I remember seeing somewhere they were going to go thru it w/ either ali or aria but a fan guessed it so they changed it 🙄
@@amberbernay I heard that too and that is idiotic because the point is to be able to guess it and see the signs. Whether it be during the initial watch or a rewatch the signs need to be there for the audience to find. It happened with Gossip Girl too, gg was supposed to be Eric but someone guessed it so they changed it to a nonsensical ending.
@@taylordacquelclayton girl i loved GG. Eric made more sense or JENNY! But Dan???? NO! They wanted make it seem like it was him all along bc of the very 1st episode , & when serena asked GG to meet dan was the 1st to show!
@@taylordacquelclayton but how do you make a CHARACTER WE NEVEE HEARD OF OR SEEN THE BIG FINAL ENDING ????? LIKE HUH ? Aria had a better chance of having a twin than spencer did cus tf? Or it just being Ali bc she did a 180 & that “180” could have been a cover up for being the actual villain
Imagine if they used Sasha’s weight gain as a way to literally make Alison a bigger presence. She became so curvy and grew into herself so well that she literally could’ve been a seductive goddess! Keeping all the same traits as she was in the earlier flashbacks but this time she becomes a beautiful socialite that still manipulates people into thinking she’s likeable so when they girls come back after the time jump they begin to unravel the real her to all the new people around her.
The redemption arc was truly the worst piece of writing I’ve seen in years and realistically she should’ve been the biggest A of them all. Her character was done the WORST on this show man, a disappointing and honestly misguided writers room
LITERALLY?? like she left still as a kid but comes back as a woman her presence. could have changed from childish games and manipulation to a more grown and sophisticated sociopath because that's what she was set up to be. before she was a child who was scary and. unnerving because she was too smart but now she could have grown into it and been intimidating on sight
This is such a better plot
I think sasha couldn't play the "new alison" very well. She was one of the best actors on the show playing the ultimate mean girl (at just 13 years old!) The watering down of her character was honestly insulting to her acting skills.
i’m only 4 minutes in but i’m glad you mentioned that Sasha gaining weight might have influenced the way the writers wrote Alison! i’ve always thought it did but never heard anyone talk about it? I think even it if didn’t influence the way they wrote her it DEFINITELY influenced the way they dressed her which imo is so annoying
her dress sense was GHASTLY
yes! it’s also annoying because Sasha is such a talented actress! I think she’s more talented than a lot of people on the show, even as a 13 year old in the pilot. sucks that it ended that way.
I’ve always wondered if the actress wouldn’t have gained weight (developed a natural and healthy body) they would have kept her as a relevant character.
@@taylordacquelclayton unfortunately Hollywood was always fat phobic and wanted plus sized women to seem weak and good
@@cynthiaberjaoui5917 so true. And what people don’t seem to remember, she was 13 when the show came out. Her body is bound to change even without her medical condition.
also, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE THAT ALI IS A, because she was mona's INSPIRATION. A is for Alison, therefore the A-Game is ALISONS game. It was obvious that the role of "A" that mona took on, was pretty directly based off of Alison e.g. using secrets aginst the Liars, emotional manipulation, threatning an expose ......and I feel like the reason Mona started playing the game was to try and be Alison/try and feel powerful again after what Ali did to her
YES EXACTLY Mona was copying what she thought Alison would do and be like
It would have been amazing to see Alison getting mad at Mona for creating a game about her and taking it over without anyone knowing that it was her doing it but Mona knows she’s loosing control of the game...
yes i absolutely agree with that! especially having mona in the dollhouse, forced into act and dress as alison would have make more sense as well as in alison showing her that it is torture to be alison or giving mona what she "wanted" after ali took the game.
but btw about ali's parents: i think because of constantly having to watch charles and also jason when ali was born, she probably lejectled parents attention and her mom even forces alison into lying about simple things and stuff because of charlotte (season 5, christmas episode, flashback).
so alison started lying and imagine things or even manipulate in her early life, because that's how she's been taught. she adored to have all the attention drawn to herself, lies like it's a habit, etc. etc.
and honestly, i can relate to alison the most. i think she has a histrionical personality disorder. i was diagnosed with it and since then i rewatched the show because i thought of alison instantly.
*hands award*
you are amazing
I agree with you! Alison became the carbon copy of Emily. Making her be one of the liars which means she was also tortured and manipulated from Season 5-7 was a BIG mistake. Alison was this godlike figure that couldn’t be touched, she was larger than the girls, than anyone else in the show, than life in general but by the end she’s like Emily 2.0 who relies on her friends to help her out every time?
Yeah Marlene basically toned her character way down just like what Andrew dabb did with the character castiel in supernatural
I think they forgot that Alison was basically the main character lol
EXACTLY!! she was not just a high school mean girl, who grew up and matured, and dropped the bitchy habits, she was a literal Sociopath! Blackmailing parents, no emotional remorse, manipulating her "friends" as pawns to get what she wanted, blinding someone then threatining to kill her ...
children cannot be sociopaths, she was 15 at the oldest when she was doing all of that; no professional in the field of psychology would ever say that she was a sociopath at age 15. you have to be 18 at least to be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder.
@@lithiumkid they are still sociopaths whether diagnosed or not.
@@astridvvv9662 no they're not because those same traits you deem sociopath-like are not signs of ASPD/sociopathy in children. only in adults over 18 are they signs of sociopathy.
@@lithiumkidthat’s so not true as someone w bpd i’ve had this shit my whole life
I feel bad for Sasha, not only she already struggled with her weight, but the writers also decided to both change her clothes AND personality. It's clear why they did it.
I'm glad Sasha seems happy now.
Her personality has nothing to do with weight..she just changed
@@MariqStefan ????
You're really naive if you believe they didn't change Allison's personality when Sasha gained weight. That's why we have a very badly written character in later seasons, a character that has nothing to do with the one from the first seasons. Hollywood is that shameless.
Yes! What made me feel more bad was that the costume designer for the show wasn’t experienced in styling plus-size bodies, so they literally gave her soccer mom and church outfits! And a lot of her outfits were just copy and pasted from other movies Sasha peiterse had done like “G.B.F” and so on!
Alison being AD would make so much sense, imagine if she came back making herself a victim all innocent and what not and fooling the audience that she has changed and then at the end boom it’s revealed that she was a manipulative psycho all along and I’d love if pll ended after the events of dollhouse. Or it would be so cool if she came back blaming the girls for her disappearance 😱
At first I thought that was what the writers were going to do with her having her play the victim only to realize she's actually still the same evil villain but no they didn't it was so freaking stupid for them not to do that 🤯😬😠😡🤬🥶
i would’ve LOVED her blaming the girls for her disappearance omg
That’s pretty similar to how the books end, not 100% but pretty close. I would recommend reading them if you have time, because there are SO MANY, but they’re also drastically different and somehow even crazier than the show. 😂
@@cassiemarie9525 I’m almost finished with book one in the series. Binge reading it all for the first time. It’s made me clutch my invisible pearls multiple times
Alison ending up with children at the end does not make sense at all 🤦🏻♀️ she would prolong her youth as long as possible
lol so true
Having children doesn't stop your youth lol
@@MariqStefan I know 🙈 I phrased that so wrong I meant that it gives you more of a sense of responsibility and maturity but still I’m aware that my argument is weak 😅
So true and I feel like it just me but I think to gather more sympathy from everyone around her she would say she had a miscarriage but the truth was she just got an abortion because 1 she doesn't want to seem as old as she actually is 2 because she loves the attention and 3 it would make a good reason for her friends (who don't even trust her) to be sad and forget the thoughts of her being A
Facts
I know the books have their flaws but they did it right by having Alison being the big villain.
definitely
100%
Exactly! I feel like it's a full circle having Alison as the main villain given that the story revolves around her
She should be the most iconic mean girl character, completely leaving Regina George in the dust. The whole town was so afraid of this girl they weren’t bothered about her disappearance to some extent. Like you said, she doesnt look that intimidating in the flashbacks but she is genuinely soooo powerful. She should be the TOP mean girl in pop culture :/ i think about this often
BTW I LOVE THE VIDEO SO FAR ! I’ve been waiting for this discussion!
love this thankyou!
She could have been the meaner more cunning version of Blair Waldolf
@@charlestoti2252 I would pay to see them in a room together
@@nicks2627 flashback alison would have sent blair crying back to dorotha💀
@@charlestoti2252 she would've completely destroyed all the gossip girl
Vivian Darkbloom could have been Alisions "real" twin in the show that she didn't know she had, so when Hanna saw Alison with dark hair in the flashback that could have been her real twin or someting!
I am late to the party - the books did something similar (identical twins).
When she came back in Season 5 she pretended to be shy and scared to trick Rosewood into believing her kidnapping story..... but when the time jump came she forgot to stop pretending and that became her personality
Yep
I’m actually mad. Sasha should have NEVER have had to explain that.
I agree.
She was a literal prepubescent child in the first season. The fact people didn’t expect her to grow into a woman was just so disgusting to me.
I noticed the weight gain only in her face and even still that and the rest of her body to me just screamed “child who grew into a woman” like wtf.
It never dawned on me much. She was still as stunning as ever to me,
We literally watched her go from a preteen to a fully grown adult on screen in front of our eyes. The fact NO ONE in media even bothered to consider that, blows my mind. :(
@@MiniMeagsI think it’s because the main leads are all so skinny and always were. Emily was maybe the “biggest” of the bunch and she’s still thin! Honestly it’s hard to say who is “biggest” they’re all small and Lucy hale is just petite in general which adds to it.
Sasha growing to be even average weight for her height would’ve pushed her into “fat” territory for Hollywood. An average person next to 4 tiny thin people is always going to look larger than they really are just in reference to the others. I think that’s the whole thing behind the “designated fat friend” they’re meant to make the thin girls appear thinner.
@@Zelda00Gamer so true!!
Also, I love Zelda too ! Hope you’ve enjoyed playing TOTK! :)
people have to remember sasha was 12 when she started season 1 of pll
so OF COURSE she’d be so skinny as people grow and get older their weight can fluctuate. I definitely believe her weight had a role in why Alison wasn’t as mean anymore in the end
It’s definitely worth considering because Hollywood has a lot of issues when it comes to body image for men and women
THIS THIS AND THIS
her recent interview on ppl true crimes literally confirmes this. she speaks it out loud and speaks about it in detail.
My perspective on Ali was that we only saw her through the girls eyes... They assumes she was this powerful confident person, but it was all fake...and when she came back that fake confidence was very obvious to everyone, especially the viewer, as we watched the liars ACTUALLY become confident capable women.. Ali never had the chance for growth in a meaningful way ...so next to the other girls who had A forcing them to do things they didn't want to, having to escape crazy situations in, building their bond between each other, and literally still going to highschool (d plot at best) they still grew... Ali was forced to rely on her small view of the world till she was allowed to come back after all her dirt had been brought up.
I totally agree! It seemed to me like Ali was under the shadow of the character she herself had created. She was nothing but a well construced fictional character who truly, deeply believed the others were too. However, we get to see the others grow out of it and go beyond that. And yes, Ali did some horrifyingly messed up stuff but she also went through horrifyingly messed up stuff, to me it all seems rather proportionate (I do not condone her actions but understand why the character she had created seemed so omnipotent and grand). Overall, Ali's story is very sad as she is great as a highschool mean girl and a villain, but once her friends graduate and shit, there's nothing there but pain, trauma and regret.
@@AtlasCalMa right!!! Flashback Ali was the embodiment of "fake it till you make it" the only time we see a crack in that is in Mona's memories... I partly think this is because Mona kind of always knew what was going on with her and was never really enchanted by her persona...
This is such mental gymnastics for bad writing lol
@@verasambience lmfao very much... but I think that became apart of the fun🤣😂
"All roads go back to Alison" that actually resonates with me so much. That's exactly how I saw the show in the first three seasons, Ali was definetely my favorite chatacter back then for how present she was despite being "dead". Even though she was missing/"dead" for years, Ali was never gone and that was the best part of her character. Her influence remained and everything was still revolving around her. To this day, that botched redemption arc of hers frustrates me to no end. It's been said many times before but i'll say it again: not everyone needs redemption!
It's not just that they made her "good", but they made her bland, boring good, they took out all her bite, made her personality, which was so strong, into one that is less strong than the other girls.
They also made Alison’s style completely different,and I’m guessing it’s because Sasha (the actor who play’s Alison) gained weight and it seems like they didn’t know how to dress her in s6 and s7.The blazers and the blouses just wasn’t her style like in the earlier seasons.Not to mention that it’s all she wears except in her vulnerable moments when she wears those sweatshirts.I also don’t understand why she never tried to apologize to Jenna,Lucas,or Mona,if she really was a nice girl.I also feel like They used Cece to try and replace Ali.
Love your nails btw♥️
love u xx
Yeah I really didn't believe the hole redemption arc for alison they either should had kept her as a villain or she should had stayed dead especially the fact we never knew why she was like that 🤯😬😠😡🤬👩💼
My god those sweatshirts were hideous. It felt like what I’d put on to lay on the couch with a drink in one hand and ice cream in the other. Which…does happen…
I bet you’re right about cici! Too bad no one could ever touch sashas performance as the Alison archetype, so not a good plan lol
I will never understand why fans shipped Emison after everything Alison did to Emily: manipulating her, making her feel bad about herself, ashamed of her sexuality... I don't know if I'm the only one who can't get over that. Even in later seasons Alison still doesn't have the guts to tell Emily she has feelings for her until the end of season 7. The relationship is toxic and makes less than zero sense.
Me neither I really wanted Emily to end up with maya 🤔😥😢😭
@@cynthiaholmes5124 Me too. Maya's death was really pointless. If not with Maya, I wanted Emily to end up with someone who doesn't manipulate her and who isn't toxic.
I don’t even think her feelings for Em were even authentic!
Old bitchy Ali was more forseable as a low key bisexual icon, but the adult Ali grew into????? No way do I see her truly being bisexual. I truly think they threw Ali and Em together at the end to make fans happy and that’s it. They never really played with her experiencing feelings for any other girl except Emily and had her as the token “only bi for one person” bisexual and THAT bothers me so fucking much as a bisexual woman,
Yeah it definitely would had been great to see alison date other women instead of her suddenly ending up with Emily the writers did that to please the fan's god I hate when writers do things like this supernatural did this in their final four seasons of the show and it didn't end well either 😠😡🤬🤯😬🤪
@@MiniMeags You make a lot of good points. Imo Alison and Emily being together romantically was mostly fan service. Allison's feelings and sexuality (as it relates to women) weren't explored enough to make that make sense. I feel as if Allison got with Emily out of familiarity. It was definitely unfair to both characters.
"Emily really likes bold women"
The women: *Season 7 Alison*
Sorry I just came back to re-read this comment, it’s so hilarious to me 😂
I didn't even realize Sasha Pieterse had reached "plus size" weight during the course of the show, if I'm honest. It wasn't until a while after the finale premiered that I saw an article where she discussed it, bizarre that a fan base who sympathized with Hannah's eating disorder struggles was so ready to make rude comments about Sasha. I just honestly thought she was growing up, filling out. I'm not ashamed to admit I found her extremely attractive in the end seasons and I was genuinely confused as to why they weren't highlighting her beauty. Fashion isn't much of a hobby for me, usually all I really see is "ah, yes, the clothes here are made of clothes," but even I noticed her wardrobe was way different. Sasha has mad talent for acting and I hope she'll continue to be recognized for that. I had never considered that maybe her weight gain had something to do with the writing she was given. I never considered her fat, I just thought she looked mature and full-figured, but even if she was- let fat girls be confident! Let fat girls be pretty! They have all that fashion talent on set and not one of them could think of any better looks for her.
I have PCOS too. You shouldn't have to give people your medical history to just be treated like a person. Did we learn nothing from this story?
I think what Alison's character suffered from the most was, as you said, the writers had no idea what to do with her. I feel like they didn't really have a solid idea of what motivated her. I'm not completely against the redemption arc, if they had done it well it might have been enjoyable, but in order to redeem her, they needed to explain her, and in order to explain her, they needed to understand her. I had so many thoughts- I remember thinking that she actually hated herself on a deep psychological level and that was why she was always lying about who she was and things she'd experienced and making up different aliases and personas. Alison DiLaurentis was the mystery at the core of the mystery and she was never answered, and it leaves a huge hole in the story.
I couldn’t agree more.
I’m so gay for sasha and I have been since she was the ice princess in shark boy and lava girl!
I didn’t notice her “weight gain” as anything but her becoming a woman, it wasn’t until she even brought it up in an interview and I was like what! Honey no you’re perfect wtf and then I looked it up and the headlines were truly everywhere and my heart shattered into thousands of pieces. :(
@@MiniMeagsshe was in shark boy and lava girl ? Well damn
Another thing that is really frustrating about the mistreatment of Alison on the writers' part is that Sasha is such a good actress and clearly had a lot of fun with this role and was good at portraying this character. She was able to capture all these different sides of Alison, her manipulative nature as well as those rare moments of vulnerability and doubt. The fact that all this potential was wasted in later seasons is such a disservice to Sasha as an actress.
It’s like giving lord Voldemort a redemption arc
I think the show was dragged on too long. Alison should’ve returned in season 3 and the writers should’ve kept her as the manipulative mean girl. She could’ve been A or helping A. PLL didn’t need 7 seasons.
Yeah the show lasted way too long just like supernatural did stretching the show for more money 🤯😬🤬
Yep 3 or 4 seasons would have been enough
It didn’t need more than 5 season.
True. And Sasha was still thin by the time season 3 was made. I think Sasha developed poliquistic ovaries due to all the stress and pressure the show was putting on her at that young age.
@@nataliahernandez8573 agreed. But I’m pretty sure pcos (which Sasha has) is something you’re born with. But yeah the writers should’ve made her return season 3
if the writers didn't want to go in the Alison is A direction, i would've LOVED if they turned the table on us and actually revealed that the girls were actually the ones who were bullies to Ali. maybe re-construct the girls memories and add another part of the story, making sense of why Ali was being mean sometimes; it was just a reaction. it would explain why she was gone so long, that she was getting away from them because they tried to kill her in the night of her dissapereance and then she plotted her revenge while she was away.
Then we wouldbe having more cringey green screen added to the old already existing flashbacks no thank you
In my opinion, Alison should’ve stayed dead for the entire series. The whole mystery of the show is finding out what happened to Ali ..?! . It made the show dark and edgy . Since the writers made Alison fake her death, the show completely changed and the writers had ridiculous storylines afterwards.
Init! Does anyone even know what happened to Alison that night because personally I’m still a bit confused by the whole thing
@@andreavsfl314 I couldn't give you a play-by-play, but basically Allison drugged the girls and ran a bunch of errands like meeting with Ian and Toby. Bethany had escaped from Radley and was wearing the same clothes as Allison because Jessica often bought the same clothes for Charlotte and Alli, and Bethany must have taken them from Charlotte. Alli was walking up to her house and Charlotte hit her with a rock, thinking she was Bethany. Alli was still alive but couldn't speak, and her mom buried her alive thinking she was dead, because she wanted to protect Charlotte. Grunwald removed Allie from the grave. Later, Bethany was hit by Spencer who thought it was Allie, and Melissa buried Bethany.
@@justine4652 Righhtttttttttt this is mayhem 😂😂
@@andreavsfl314 actually i’m pretty sure it was mona who hit bethany because she thought she was ali and melissa thought spencer did it and she buried her to cover it up, but other than that. yup that’s what happened. i wish we could have gotten a cohesive run down of it instead of random bits and pieces over 5 seasons
I kind of agree but I kind of don’t…I agree with it because obviously the show would’ve been to find her killer, they could’ve found the killer by Season 3…..but I don’t agree with it because since they took the path of Ali faking her death, and running away…..her coming back a much more mature person in a way kind of works because it shows that someone can be so hurtful when they’re younger (since they’re a teenager, basically a kid who depending on how they grew up, they’re not gonna be the most mature) but then once they find themselves, go through some tough shit, and actually learn some respect and morals, they can become a better person….I think that’s the route that the writers chose, because they didn’t wanna have the same old story line of the mean girl goes missing, comes back, but is still mean…….they wanted to change that.
If they absolutely wanted someone to change, they could have changed the girls instead of Alison. It would have been so much better if Alison came back, the girls start following her again out of habit, but they slowly come to realize how manipulative she is and how little she values them and they learn to stand up for themselves and leave Ali in the dust because they got enough of being pushed around. That would have made them a lot more interesting and could be used as a device to bring some changes in Ali's character. We could have seen how Ali is when she doesn't have a posse following her around and defending her all the time and, after all she's done, she could have been socially ostracized. I would have loved to see how she copes with everyone hating her and whether she would have become more vicious or she would have ended up broken by her lack of power over everyone.
Now that's something I'd like to watch!
i see your point. but multiple people wanting you dead and some actually trying to actively murder you is reason enough to rethink your meanness
or being like fuck it i'll just disappear i dont wanna change
It was always strange to me that Alison completely forgave Charlotte. Old Ali seems like she’d put Charlotte in her place. Also in S4-5 when the show was trying to make it seem like Ali was A, that would have been amazing and very fun. Imagine us seeing A’s POV with Ali.
old Ali was the best Ali. We don't need realistic fictional characters in a show like this, we need ruthless ones who make it clear that they are fictional for a reason. if you really want to shape young girls and give them role models, Marlene King, DON'T make child groomers and predators seem like good guys, DON'T normalise student teacher relationships, DON'T make rightfully concerned parents some unreasonable monsters
I'm so glad you mentioned how they didn't even make her an anti-hero, because that's exactly what I wanted!! No shade on anyone who wanted her as the final A, but I always believed her character was such that both her good and bad qualities came from the same place in her personality. Protective and possessive, manipulative but sometimes for good reasons, and simultaneously a larger than life villain and a scared kid trying to survive. She's an Odysseus figure in my mind. For people who love literary references so much, the writers missed the chance to make the best reference of all time by not showing us more of Alison's exile and drawing parallels with the Odyssey. Such a missed opportunity!
Edit: that last reader comment also basically summarizes all my thoughts and feelings about Alison.
I didn’t want her to be an anti-hero simply because we already had Mona filling that role by then.
Yeah mona was definitely the anti hero on the show and she definitely should had been the fifth liar not alison the writers and the producers truly messed up the character of alison 🤯😬😡🤬
@@theamvgirlx Por que no los dos?
@@cynthiaholmes5124 Por que no los dos?
A stupid theory: Ali and Courtney were still twins in the TV show. But it’s an alternative reality where instead of Courtney being killed it was Ali instead. So the “nice Ali” we are seeing in season 4 and beyond is really Courtney.
I like that idea, it instead Courtney be totally dead. Have her so much still alive similar how, Alison was alive after she was rescued been buried alive.
I would like Courtney is save she friends from Alison, or switch Courtney being Alison and the villain. Then Alison is the good one trying saving her friends from Courtney.
Either both option is good.
I thought it was Courtney when “Ali” came back. Her scenes just don’t make sense otherwise in season 5.
Let’s just all appreciate how much effort and hard work she uses in all her videos
Preach 💯💯👏👏
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Very true
I was so excited that Alison was alive and that we would learn more about the character, but after she came back they literally drove over her character multiple times. It was kind of disgusting how they did her like that. Like THE Alison Dilaurentis.
She definitely should had stayed a villain plus you can't excuse bad writing Marlene king had a great villain in alison sasha was great as a villain
See if they had developed what we all thought was assault by Jason’s friends that could also develop her relationship with Spencer. Like Alli gets upset that Spencer is Jason’s sister too but she gets to avoid all of the mistreatment that Alli has to go through because no one else knows the truth.
beautiful theory, that would’ve made far more sense than any plotline we were given.
Your next focus could be that train wreck that is Ravenswood and also The Perfectionists.
The perfectionist was… meh 😑 they changed so many things from the book which I guess is ok but it wasn’t giving what it was supposed to give
@@GlamClan-xe3zi I have no clue. Haven't seen it yet.
@@AnaboliKitchen I give it a 7/10 not good not bad and Mona is Mona
Ravenswood is Terrible. Don’t make people watch it. It makes no sense, explains nothing and serves no purpose except to give Caleb a spin off and give vague hints about supernatural happenings.
And the addition of supernatural stuff just makes everything dumber, because it’s unprovable and makes any mystery that involves it unprovable.
Ugghh. The fact that I watched Ravenswood makes me remember that I can’t get the time I spent watching it back 🤦♀️
@@allisonf3508 You misunderstood my suggestion, I want Ravenswood ROASTED. 😂
In terms of career, I feel like acting or an acting coach would be the perfect career for Alison. I remember Ali mentioning that she always wanted to be an actress to Ezra and she’s a master at pretending someone she’s not, has charisma, and love being the center of attention. As for acting coach, teaching people to be a convincing liar would be her specialty. I’m glad in the Perfectionists, they brought back Ali’s personality but a more mature version of it and her fashion sense
When I first finished the series, I was like 'Ok, it was fine. It could've been better but whatever.' Now after watching videos and theories and stuff, I'm hating the final even more like I'm seeing now they could've done so much more!
Absolutely they could had done so much more in the series 😠😡
it is so messed up that the writers ruined her character because of fatphobia
that whole 'they knew sth about each other' thing had so much potential as a plot point or even explaining why they were hardcore enemies ;((( Imagine if Mona and Alison had been friends in the past and parted ways because of something big, maybe from both parties, and then there was the whole bullying stuff... Imagine if Mona thought she got away with murder and became A but ends up Alison was alive and planning on taking her place eventually kfkskd maybe reporting her for attempted murder or idk, it could have been a series of big reveals that would showcast how complex their relationship actually was
i love book alison so fucking much i love that there were twins and they never got rid of the mystery fully and when it’s revealed it’s not a cop out they go all the way and i love every second of it
sameeee
Honestly, I Feel Like Alex Was A Replacement For Courtney.
a terrible replacement
@@SerenaSkybourne tell me about it
Yeah I didn't understand why the writers would give the twin storyline to Spencer now if it was alison i would had loved it 🤯😬😡🤬
CeCe was also a poorly executed version of Courtney (specifically Ali as Courtney) If they wanted Alison to have a mentally ill sibling who was A they may as well have stuck to the plot line in the books.
do you agree that after the time jump Alison's fashion was GOD AWFUL?
YES OMGGGG
A crime, tbh
YESSS. It’s like they don’t know how to dress plus size people.
Yeah I think because of sasha gaining weight they basically decided not to have her wear the same things but also because of her stupid redemption arc 🤪🤯😬😠😡🤬
They did Sasha dirty. I can't even begin to imagine what that did to her self esteem.
We all know by now how PLL could have been the cinematic masterpiece it i if it made their original villain to be the iconic Alison Dilaurentis, and about the twin theory it could be true and brilliant and answers why Ali was so different in seasons 5-7 because that twins was Courtney! . Alison would make a comeback in season 7 as the original mastermind of all and the original A! As all ties would go back to her as it did in the earlier seasons.
The crazy thing is that she didn’t gain that much wait!! She just went from a child’s body to one with curves. The writers made it seem like she gained 500 pounds.
does anyone remember the flashback where her mum wouldn’t let her stay at the beach house so she manipulated her by not breathing, that was classic insane ali behaviour
I just really wanted the Courtney twist because that means the Allison we thought we knew was just copying what she grew up with, all of her behavior is learned and repetitive making those flashbacks much more frightening. Because if the fake Allison/ Courtney is bad, the real one would be a lot worse. Also, Jenna would’ve had more of a narrative because in the books she was the first one to put the twin connection together.
She sniffed AD so that's the homage to that ig (a silly one)
@@phoebedarker 😂
I really wish we could have seen what happened in the two years she disappeared. She was really young and it seemed like she was constantly running, rather than using a fake name to get a job and home or something. Plus, she ran away after someone attempted to kill her and her mum buried her alive, that would have been so frightening!!
I think in the books Melissa knew about Courtney/Alison the whole time cause Jason told her, they could have used that in the show for another reason why Melissa is always so shady and seems to know more than she lets on.
They seriously ruined it by trying to make her nice! I would've absolutely loved to see her be catty, sneaky, and pretty much evil!!
I have to say, this top on you is SO STUNNING.
thankyouuu
the writers wanting to be one step ahead and pull one over the viewers and fans make the writers look lazy and not good writers. alison being the ultimate A was an amazing story arc that they completely missed. and giving in to fan ships is what destroys the storyline.
I'm curious to find out what was Alison relationship with Noel like why she did feel like she can trust him so many times?like when bringing the liars to her, breaking into the Marrins home also why was the liars so scared of him everytime they seen him when they discovered things they just blamed him
Seeing Sasha in interviews with the other girls where she is dressed well amd looks fashion forward really shows what a disservice the wardrobe team did her on PLL. The way they dressed her made her look so frumpy and uncomfortable with her size. You don't see that in the interviews, she looks amazing.
They literally had a hit show with a freaking bow on it if they had just followed the books. Alison was supposed to be the root of everything. All plot points led back to her somehow. Watching Sasha trying to explain her new character is like second hand frustrating because you can tell she was not happy with it either. They could have at least tried to make it convincing and had her still be this clever leader and have her along with Spencer be the ones who deciphers As moves. But they acted as if becoming “a good person” means you are now meek and weak and lose all sense of deduction and critical thinking. If they had made it so that she was A at the beginning and she had set all this up but in the end felt bad about everything and like had some sort of epiphany. I’d even be willing to go along with the character just growing up. And then have her redemption be about taking down A herself. Would have been so much better to understand why the girls would take her back in if she wanted to stop A and would even explain why Emily would fall in love with her. They could have done anything! Absolutely anything else but they chose the worst possible option and made her this annoying little side plot you have to put up with that is not even a shadow of the person they had established she was. I really really just wish that they had more or less followed the book, with alterations here and there, but the book made sense and the reveals and betrayals and other events all made sense. I also still enjoyed it although I can’t rewatch it thanks to Ezria 😒. As much as I hated Alisons redemption I hated the glorified pedophilia so much more.
I didn't mind the idea of a redemption for Alison, but the way they handled it was sooooo completley Terrible. They lost the entire essence of the character completley.
How
Alison should’ve come back and played the victim and pretended to have a redemption arc, but with Mona always being suspicious. Emison still could’ve happened, but would’ve been more angsty and toxic in that Emily is kind of Alison’s one and only soft spot and Achilles heel, but Alison is still a horrible person, like when the redemption was over and the liars slowly realize that Alison is still manipulating them, then the liars could’ve tried to use Emily against Alison to get her to reveal things about A. And then in the end, we can find out that Alison was AD all along. They can still use misdirects so that some people are still second guessing whether Alison is AD or not
I actually think it could’ve been really cool if the show did a sort of reverse from the books where they really did know the real alison originally but the “alison” that came back in season three was really courtney and that would explain the personality change from the original manipulative ali to the more docile victimized ali. It could’ve been revealed in season seven that “alison” was really courtney and you could have seen the girls (especially emily) reacting to the fact that the girl they knew when they were fifteen wasn’t the same girl that they know now. It would’ve also been a cool nod to the books while still doing something different and original
I really hated Emison- at first it was some internalised homophobia from struggling with my own sexuality but it turned into “why the fuck do people like that Emily ends up with this girl was so evil growing up?” Like it went beyond being a bully. This was someone who lived to fuck with people and their emotions yet for some reason Emily never seemed pissed off enough at her. Maturing and change can happen but the way it happened was weird.
An anti-hero type storyline would've been great, when Alison came back she was still the same way as manipulative, rude, and lying (the girls grew and Ali was the same) so they were over it, so as they distanced themselves from her she could've still helped them out with figuring out who A was but in her same manipulative way. She on her own and the girls on their own
The writers had so much material but didnt use any of it
Ali went from the it girl with secrets to an English teacher shy girl. I really hoped it was only an act that she played to hide her scheeming
Let’s hope the reboot does this all so much better HBO don’t fail me now .
there is a reboot?
@@StoryTime-pe1co yep it’s called Pretty Little Liars : Original Sin . It fallows an entirely new group of girls.
It's more of a spin off tho right? , that's what i heard at least. Oh and please dont get you hopes up it's made by the same guy who wrotte Riverdale so.....
@@Azelkiel56 I like riverdale... for the most part,
Besides that one season
@@Azelkiel56 riverdale is filmed in the town that I live in so I have an affinity for it because I always see them filming . I’ve met Betty a couple of times she’s literally the best .
What I would've done with Alison starts off in season 4. The girls head to New York but they are unsuccessful in finding Alison. Shauna still tries to kill the girls but Aria knocks the gun from Shauna's hand. To show that maybe Aria still has that dark side Alison instilled in her, she doesn't grab Shauna to pull her back up now that she's no longer a threat, and maybe Emily grabs her instead. One of the girls calls the cops so Shauna is just arrested and they head back to Rosewood disheartened at their lack of answers. Season 5 begins with Mona going up to the girls and trying to tell them something important but the girls don't really listen. Like they hear her but they just aren't processing the words. They enter the school building and come across this large crowd and hear things like "was it scary?" "were you nervous about coming back?" etc. The crowd departs when one of the girls asks what's going on, and in the centre of the group is Alison, perfectly safe, and as glamourous as always. That is what Mona was trying to tell them. That Alison returned while they were gone and didn't tell them.
You could still keep Alison as A, but I would make the dollhouse arc half a season rather than a full one.
Maybe they tried to incorporate the weight gain into Alison’s character development. Maybe the writers thought she can no longer be the ‘mean girl’ and bully people because she doesn’t have the look for it which is wrong and problematic.
I wanted a redemption arc for Alison, but my vision for redemption wasn't her being overtly nice. To me Alison should've been a character who didn't bully undeserving characters, she could've been a better person, but not necessarily a nice person. There's definitely a backstory about Alison that the writers didn't go into. If they changed the character so Emison could happen, it was so unnecessary. The entire point of emison is that Emily saw past Alison's facade, that there was a real person with feelings and emotions, and that Alison didn't have to pretend around Emily. How that foundation turned into a forced insemination that developed into a relationship, is beyond me?
Alison was the perfect villain how would it have been of her And Aria would have been A and where both the whole time riding away into the sunset laughing
OMG YES. That 'last minute groceries' scene was incredible, what a waste!!
i knoww!!
I didn’t realize that Alison’s actress had PCOS I have that too and it was really nice to see someone else talk about it. It sucks that she got a lotta back lash for something she can’t control.
But like, realistically we don't need a villain hiding in plain sight who's kind of redeemed but kind of still morally ambiguous and plotting shit behind the scenes. Because Mona inhabited that space pretty well.
gosh I agree so much about exploring faulty memories or unreliable narration I never even thought about that.
It would have been cool if the writers kept Alison a stronger character in the later seasons, despite her weight gain, as the popular 'mean girl' is always portrayed as skinny and perfect, and having her strong would have broke the stereotype. I think it also would have been interesting if they showed some of the liars flashbacks of Alison through Alison's perspective (but in a way where it wouldn't be confusing for the audience). I think they also only made Ali a teacher as they wanted her and Emily to have more scenes (but of course there were other ways they could have gone about this). It also didn't make sense as she missed so much schooling due to her being on the run for 2 years, so realistically she should have have to maybe repeat some schooling. Also her trauma from everything that happened to her could have affected how she did in school but it was just a big problem with the whole show as they barely addressed anyone's trauma or they never portrayed it in a realistic enough way.
God I really hated the fact that the writers just decided to ignore any kind of trauma that the character's faced like what happened to toby being raped by jenna and then there's hannah eating disorder hannah only talks about it in season 1 🤯😬😠😡🤬🤢🤮
@@cynthiaholmes5124 Fr, they just glazed over everything, down playing serious topics, it got really frustrating 🙄🙄. It was also a missed opportunity for them to raise awareness on such issues, and had the characters deal with their issues in the correct way (eg Hannah getting help for eating, maybe learning to love herself later on). Such a missed opportunity.
I don't think they could've done flashbacks because of Sasha's weight gain
@@alexwallar8608 Yeah, that makes sense.
So excited to watch! Alison started as being so coy and interesting but by the end I was just irritated by her and struggling through her scenes. I love your work; Keep it up!!
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Yeah I really hated the last three seasons of pll mostly because of this 🤯😬😠😡🤬
I feel like the writers owe Sasha Pieterse an apology. They really messed up; not only her looks on the show but Alison's storyline. Sasha was and is a beautiful woman.
To me it seems like they changed her Story in the last minute, because of her weight gain. They really did her dirty.
As always an amazing video, love ❤️
I think the whole pll tv series can be summed up as this: amazing potential, poor follow-through.
Somehow you manage to articulate all of the tiny things that never quite sat right with this show. Honestly I love these long deep dives - perfect thing to watch when I get home from uni and am just unwinding/ taking care of the apartment
You’re so sweet and thankyou for choosing the title of this video! It’s amazing and iconic
Your voice is so chilled I didn't even realise bc I'm so used to watching stuff at 2x speed and seeing you enthusiastically blaze through it like an eager chipmunk. The calmness is relaxing me
haha lots of people say its calming too xx
I still wanna know what she was doing for those two years how did she have money? She was 14/15 and supposedly lived in a small-ish town. She didn't move far away and two years isn't long enough for her to be forgotten about by local police. (I get that the police were idiots but still) wouldn't she have had to move far away for a time? Or had a better disguise in order to live her daily life? Also her graduating on time with the rest of the girls wouldn't have made sense, unless she got her GED while in hiding or did school online or something. The logistics of this girls life make zero sense! In the book her mom was helping her and I think they had a house several towns over or something.
This channel makes me feel like I'm back at University talking to my friend in the English literature course. I love that the length of these videos allows for a very nuanced and interesting take.
Maybe it’s an unpopular opinion, but I think Allison should have stayed dead. When they brought her back it was weird, because her personality totally changed to the point where it felt like maybe the reason she couldn’t just tell them what happened was because she had severe memory loss and forgot who she was
Agreed, i think she should stay dead but more flashbacks of her and her point of view. The show should stopped in season 5
Can’t agree more 💯 even though sasha couldn’t wear the same clothes as she did before she can wear way better clothes then the ones she wore in the show:( sasha could pull so many different fits regardless of her weight. Hollywood just cant see that. It upsets me alot its not just her fashion sence that changed its her character overall she changed into a survivor and a strong women to a weak and vulnerable person alison had so much more potential it’s upsets me to this day that it was just thrown off like that.
^^^ answering in the comments to the people saying that alisons fashion sense and character changed.
Actually given how different Alison is when she ‘returns’ from the dead, it actually would’ve made more sense for her to actually be a different person.
I don’t know how the books work, but if the twin was just there from the second that Alison returns from the dead that would’ve worked. And the twist is just, no, one of the many people who had reason to want Alison dead really did kill her.
I wish she didn't have a "redemption" arc. I wish they it was her being dethrowned, and hallow on purpose. Because there's a lot of mean girls that do become meeker as they get older... BECAUSE they got traumatized by someone that wanted revenge. I'd say getting buried alive by her mother would be traumatizing enough for change, but her softness and full on redemption is too much. It should of just been "pathetic", and a change she clearly DIDN'T want.
clarification: alison couldn't replace courtney labor day weekend because her parents still thought she was courtney. plus it wasn't confirmed that "alison"(actually courtney) died until a year later when maya's family dug up the gazebo
the liars don't find out alison isn't courtney (their alison) until the second arc's finale.
exactly! the show had so much potential in the final “A” ending. It could have done a totally flashback double sided of arias and alisons storyline of them being the final “A”. How when aria came back from iceland that’s when the texts started and they just used mona as a scapegoat. Like some stuff was mona but some “A” threats really was aria or alison. Or how “A” also was one step ahead since aria would update alison or was just always with the girls. It would’ve made the show be iconic with the twist ending and the pieces being put together.
That definitely would had worked and it would had redeem the final season just like what happened on the final season of buffy I hate season 7 but I loved the finale of buffy 🤯😬😠😡🤬❤
i read all of the books and for anyone who hasn’t read them, i strongly recommend you do. they’re very very different from the show and they’re extremely well written.
The alison in the book's was way better than from the series
They could have explained the A thing by making it onto a sinister game that Alison , CeCe and played. Recruiting and the likes of Noel overtime... the concept of there being a dare game give too far would be so cool
video idea: rewriting the pilot episode or an arc/season of pll
I would love to see your thoughts on Klaus' redemption in the originals if you've seen it. He was known as the great evil and somehow reached redemption while still being quite ruthless and I find it interesting
Serena legit please never stop making videos on pretty little liars!!! Ahh! It's so nostalgic and brings me back to the old days watching theory videos but in a more mature and critical way--as it should be! Love these videos so much it's like re-watching but quicker and concise! By all means never stop! Cover all the theories we used to have for a laugh even!
so glad youre enjoying it 🤩
please don't stop with these pll videos just yet!! i would love to see more in depth about the particular seasons and roads the show could've taken !
The amount of hardwork you put into your videos is immaculate! I haven't seen the entire video yet *obviously* but I really wanted to say this! ily!
ILY too! and thankyou for the lovely comment
As I have said before I am not a fan of her being the big bad but definitely make her deal with the consequences of her past actions and for her to change slowly with struggles to get out of her old ways but she still will have a few tendencies that she can’t let go of and just make her more dimensional