Perpetual Cheater Márcio Carvalho Caught AGAIN at Mythic Championship I
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- Опубликовано: 24 фев 2019
- Márcio Carvalho was caught potentially not following the rules on purpose on camera at the extremely hyped up Magic the Gathering Mythic Championship tournament. This isn't 100% for sure cheating but based on his past disqualifications for blatantly cheating, people are jumping to conclusions quite a bit easier.
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Clearly what Marcio should have done is spray different kinds of perfume on each of his cards.
Solid comment
Now that's an idea
Yu gi oh. Childhood lol
@Flamer Maniac Nah, man. You gotta use the heart of the cards. It's where magic is found.
No Yuki is wrong kai a should be world champion Hes not scared of some childish game
I had a guy shock two of his own phoenixes in response to carnarium.. and then proceed to concede when they got exiled.
Nice lol
I don't get it
priceless. I just had an opponent sacing his Selfless Savior to an Extinction Event trying to save a crip.
@@ilosthope. read what Arclight Phoenix does. :D
FYI, Cry of the Carnarium does not create any triggered abilities, delayed or otherwise. "If a creature would die this turn, exile it instead." creates a replacement effect that lasts for the rest of the turn, and replaces a creature dying with that creature being exiled instead. Tip: triggered abilities always include "when", "whenever", or "at".
I'm so glad that there are easy ways to remember what kind of effect/ability is which by the wording. I *still* tell myself "all activated abilities have a colon in them" before I cast Spyglass/Needle
Honestly, I thought Cry was effectively just Flaying Tendrils until you said something otherwise, so I could understand someone else who doesn't play the card in their deck not knowing the difference.
He may not have known, but considering he planned on resurrecting it makes it seem like he was aware...
@@mreshadow I mean, if he wasn't aware that even creatures that died before Cry resolves get exiled then he would have sacrificed it anyway. Saying that because he was planning to rez the Bodyguard means he was cheating doesn't make sense. Yeah, if he was cheating he would make that play. But if he wasn't cheating then he also would have made that play. Him planning to dodge Cry of the Carnarium's exile effect to give himself a target for Ajani doesn't really inform us whether or not he knew that wasn't how the card worked.
I played with and against Cry multiple times and yet I don't know it exiles like this... Really easy to miss this part.
Except that he probably played tripple digit games against Esper Control when preparing for the Mythic Championship
Sorry, you don't get invited by not knowing howncards work. This guy cheats a LOT.
I think you'll find his name is pronounced "Cheaty McCheatface"...
The advantage is not so much having the protection for a token. It's also the fact it's a knight that gets pumped
Your video's ending synced up with your opponent conceding. That's a nice touch.
Youre right on that "he may have not known but theres the history"
If he had cheated like a year ago and made a public apology and then something like this happened, id probably accept it. But we all know he just has WAY TO LONG of a history to legitamently accept it.
By any chance, is there a way to know the card list of the U/W deck that is being shown? o.0
No way. If he is this good of a player, he definitely knows how his deck works. He was cheating.
It wasn’t his deck, though. It was a card in his opponent’s.
At this level rly of play you know damn well how cry works. No excuse.
Gonna be honest I didn't even truly know what the second part of cry actually said
mythic championship!!!! if you are playing at this level there is no room to make this error. this was a cheat plain and simple
there was many proxy nexus of fates at the event also, as you can use nexus as a proxy if you cannot buy a card not in foil. this was a rule change about a year ago
I heard they were required to use real nexuses when playing on camera
@Kellen Smith It's in the Magic the Gathering Tournament Rules document, updated in April of 2018 with the release of the first buy-a-box promo card from Dominaria. It reads, "Section 3.4 (Proxy Cards): Foil versions of cards for which Wizards has never printed a non-foil version may now be issued a proxy by a judge if and only if that card would mark the deck."
So, according to this rules change, you still are required to own the foil copies of Nexus of Fate in order to use it in tournament play, but the judge can require you to replace the foil copies with a proxy they provide if they so choose.
sweet i knew of the sort of rule but could not find the actual line in the long document. i just know i was seeing a few posts on twitter of people having proxies of nexus also, and i was pretty sure it stemmed from someone needing a replacement for a card but it was only in foil at the event, the stupid land that is a creature or something like that.
@@Kidynamo123 lol trying to hide the fact that their cards curl
They printed un playable cards GG
@cindershadow "if you are playing at this level there is no room to make this error" > same goes to his opponent. I´d say that it´s more important to actually know the cards you DO have in your deck, than the cards your opponent is running in his deck. Plus, there are judges there. All of them let this pass through. I think it would be VERY dumb for Marcio to attempt this on purpose, since with all the buzz, the feeds, reddit and youtubes, he knew this would be seen later on and may cost him his 50k/year he is not getting as a pro player. I dont want to take sides here, just stating that intention is not an easy thing to state in this particular move.
They didnt catch it because they're not magic players
The other card in his graveyard looks like Legion's Landing, but I'm not really sure either
Community caught him cheating again but his opponent missed that while in the MC...... Damn that's just a big misplay on his part.
Cheaters will simply grow bolder until they see their kind suffer actual consequences.
By the way, MtG Arena was getting Cry wrong too. When I played esper control, creatures that died after Cry (later in the turn) weren't being affected. Nor the ones before Cry.
Seeing how even the devs for Arena forgot about that part of Cry from what I hear, I’m willing to lean on the side of doubt that it was an attempt to cheat.
I really thought you would show the interaction from cry of the carnarium on mtga. Because even the coding of arena doesn't handle this card correctly.
I would expect the gatherer Oracle text to explain better but it doesn't.
gatherer oracle text?
mortuc1 gatherer.com
Yeah, as an esper control player in paper watching this live, I was wondering how tf Carvalho got that dauntless bodyguard back after Cry of the Carnarium. As for why Ikawa didn't call him out on it, it was a subtle cheat on Carvalho's part and could've gone over Ikawa's head since there's a lot more things he was likely keeping track of at the same time
Hey man, I just saw your video on the way to watching some arena stuff. You should show that video to a professional card magician.
It's not just that 'mistake' he made but things like the way he picks up his card off the deck (via the table), the way he points (using his whole hand), that shuffle / squeezing the cards and the fact that his hand disappears under the table.
It could be that these are all just innocent habits, which is why you should show it to a professional slight of hand artist to see what they think :-)
And thing is watch pro tourneys for about the last decade and they ALL do these things. I hate the habits of pro scene players, also how they want to short hand words and phrases and speed play. That leads to more errors and can tilt the odds in one direction or another.
Pro MTG is as much about manipulating the environment of the game as it is actually playing the game.
If you play a spell or ability that exiles cards from your opponent's graveyard, which player has the responsibility to resolve that part of the spell, you or your opponent?
Huh. Whether this was a mistake or he was cheating...
Maybe they do not cover the smaller events any longer so there are lesser accusations of Pro players cheating at the game?
If Márcio Carvalho knew the rulez he would have rolled on the ground like Naymar in football!
Wrong countries bro... nice try, close enough
How did you get the fancy domnaria teferi
It's a promo given out to players who participated in the closed beta of arena. There is a similar full art Ral and Varaska
so does this mean that if your only foil is Nexus of Fate (because you know ... the card can't NOT be foil) your cheeting because you bought 4 nexus's of fate?
If he's a prominent cheater then why in the world is He at official events doing it... again?
Because WoTC, at least modern WoTC, has a history of banning and then UNBANNING cheaters, or never banning them in the first place. The MTG "Pro" scene became a joke a long time ago.
Watching that Azorius deck at the end just made me mad.
I play lots of green too...
Welcome to Yu-Gi-Oh foils, in Yu-Gi-Oh! they literally a lot of the time bent like tents!
Foils in a large quantity of card games are frankly just a really bad idea because at least it devalues a lot of cards... and in some severe cases, far more than just bending the card...
Depending on the process and colours used, there's been unintentional and unavoidable discolouration of foils.
Good example is POKèMON EX'es have a BAD history of foils. So... Yah'... Welcome to bad vanity ideas for card games in general really ^^'
I use foils for all my lands in mono color.... do you think I'll accused? I like the dominaria lands and it was the cheap to foil....
I haven't played magic the gathering at all before but I got this recommended to me from watching that south park cock fight episode
I don't even understand what is even going on with this game but If I had to guess the exile zone is like the banish zone in yugioh right?
I'm interested in playing MTG after watching that episode of south park
yeah the exile zone is the equivalent of yu-gi-oh's banished zone (well technically it is the other way around since MTG is older).
@@DotHackerBlackWing Thanks
Legion's Landing is the card in the graveyard you couldn't identify. It was there because he dropped a second one, saccing one, so he'd have two vampire tokens.
if he sacs the body gaurd before the carnarium resolves doesnt it go to the graveyard?
Yes, then it gets exiled from the graveyard by Cry of the Carnarium.
How did his opponent play the sorcery on his turn?
the LHO in carvaLHO. you better saying "LEE"-O
but A for effort!
I know this is an older video, but I remember watching this whole championship live and Yoshihiko is an amazing person and player. He ended up going to the finals and I’m glad Marcelo didn’t prevent that.
The other thing in the graveyard I believe is legions landing based off the color but I don’t know how it could have gotten there
I still feel like this is an effect easily missed, I believe that it was unintended. However, I don't really know the history of this guy, so it's hard to know for sure.
The card in the graveyard in Legion's Landing.
Honestly, I didn't question him putting that on the graveyard until you pointed out what CotC does. You're right about that mechanic, but I would have made the same mistake.
3:30 That middle ability is so subtle, it was his opponents job.
i bet there's footage somewhere of Marcio Carvalho playing cry of the carnarium and pointing out the ability he exploited to his opponent... and it probably happened before he made this 'mistake'
Cy of the Carnarium is a pretty unintuitive card, I would not be surprised if at a first read many (me included) would miss the clause that exiles creatures already gone in the graveyard earlier in the turn.
On the other hand, if you are in a top-end tournament you are supposed to know what cards do, especially if you are playing those cards or have seen them multiple times.
I can say this because I’m English but
I CANT BELIEVE YOU’VE DONE THIS
What if your entire deck is foil?
I guess if no cards are curling it would be ok
6:21 That's a form of angle shooting.
The card in Márcio’s graveyard is Legions Landing
I wanted to keep watching him play arena 😂
well, you got that at worlds.
No way; I felt so triggered by both players in that UW control vs monogreen matchup. So many simple mistakes. >.
I have to admit I didnt know either that cry of the Carnarium exiled creature in graveyards put their this turn. I though it only exiled those affected by it. Its the only card with this effect worded this way, so I think it was really a mistake this time.
But what if.... now stay with me here.... EVERY card was foil. If all my cards are curled, none of them are.
des i think the other card is legion's landing
The card you couldn't tell what it was is Legions Landing
He did the same thing with Cry at the last Championship when he was on white weenie. There's no way he doesn't know how Cry works.
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Can someone tell me other ways he cheated ?
I don't believe that Márcio Carvalho is in the wrong with this play. Proper resolution should be placed on the player that casts the spell. I am unaware of Márcio Carvalho history but if I were a pro player I would be on high alert against any player that has a history of not following the rules.
He cheated or he lacks reading comprehension
Well, for sure this serves as reinforcement for players to "call" their plays and such; furthermore, not silently shifting cards nor vaguely gesturing and doing the same 👍
as a defender of the portuguese flag, and without knowing exactly how much you care about linguistic intricacies (probably very, very little), I feel inclined to say that it's not Carval-hoe, the "lh" is supposed to be one sound, similar to double L in Spanish, like in "pollos" for instance.. other than that you pretty much nailed it, with a slight tonal deviance that's due to differences in native tongues
Deez nutz 🎶
Oh they're cryin 🎶
Deez nutz have seen a lot of players but I've never seen a player throw shade like Màrciooooo 🎶
It's on his opponent just as much as him. It's a failure to maintain game state both players would have received a warning for this.
aren't there judges and referees?
Cheating in a card game is crazy but not knowing basic geography is next level nuts
I think the card under is legion's landing. the vampire tokens on the battle field support my theory.
The other card in the GY looks like Legions Landing.
If you're actually interested in the pronounciation, it's Marcio Carvalio, and the flag is from Portugal.
the the fuck is a carvaLIO? are you even portuguese?
Being on the main stage/camera/etc is definitely not a 100% deterrent. Look at Optic India. And multiple speed runners have cheated live on stream by playing TAS runs while pretending to play. Bottom line is if there is a way to cheat, people will do it. If you're not cheating you're not trying right? 😅
How does one feel the foil texture underneath a double sleeve?
I'm just a Yu-Gi-Oh player but why can't you call that last effect of that cry of the carnarium a continuous effect?
Because it only last until the end of turn.
I never even considered the before and after effects of cry of carnarium....i might have new uses for it
This is a very easy mistake to make even at the pro level so regardless of weather hes been found to have done shady things in the past, this particular instance has a high plausibility of it being a mistake. The fact that the other player didnt immediately catch it would indicate that even when you play the card, its a difficult delayed effect to remember.
These people play magic all day every day, and they're doing it professionally, so the mistake isn't forgivable. It isn't on an opponent to catch your cheating, it's on a judge and it's on the player who shouldn't be making mistakes or cheating. Mistakes in general can get you disqualification even if they were honest in general.
@@kittredge5167 It is a very easy mistake to make, even veteran players forget when abilities trigger.
No its not. I havent played in years and the card text reads clearly anything dies that turn its exiled instead. And the fact he keeps he graveyard where only he can see it was also red flagging me. Hand waving excuses like this is what allows people in in the first place. Then its clutching at straws to say in a tourney with some serious cash on the line.
says the guy playing teferi :/
My thoughts exactly
It is likely he didn't fully grasp how the card functioned and the player who cast 'Cry of the Cranium' should have also enforced the cards rulings so its hard to say he was flat out cheating when the player who cast the card also didn't realize how it should interact with the board.
I'm from Portugal and seeing this just made me lose my honor in my country. On behalf of the entire country of Portugal, I'm sorry that we have people like this.
You always find a way to make me laugh😂
It does seem like he already predetermined that card would come back to the battlefield before his turn , it's good there catching it , slow down and make sure your playing cards properly (pros)
Thats the thing, they have been quick playing, ie not step by stepping cards, short handing phrasing, etc, for at least a decade if not two.
Pro MTG is as much about gaming the situation as it is actually getting lucky and pulling what you need. This is why MTGs pro scene is a joke.
but if Marcio respondes the Carnarium sacrificing the creature? Even that way it must be exiled?
Yes. It applies to all deaths that happened during the entire turn.
Old MTG player out for at least 10 years and yes that is exactly how it works. It exiles any and all creatures sent to yard this turn, hence the second sentence. WOTC poorly worded it but it exiles all creatures kiled, destroyed, countered, etc if they hit yard they get exiled.
I think that regardless of whether or not it was intentional; is inconsequential to the fact that at the end of the day the result is that the actions taking were in direct contravention of the ruling of the the card interaction requirements stipulated by the rules of the game and the subsequent allowed outcome of the play pattern of events that transpired within that game - specifically that point in time on that given turn and the plays made inclusive of therein.
In law - a judge will stipulate that the outcome an action taken, and the ruling made of it is still governed by the legislation and precedent pertaining to the context of the give situation; regardless of the defendant’s knowledge of these facts. For example: if you punch a guy in the face, even if you did not know that it is illegal to do so for whatever reason - you will still be charged for assault. “I did not know” is not a reasonable defence of your actions.
Perhaps the governance of the games’ rules should closer reflect this fact? Food for thought.
Thats not true thou, in law "i did not know" makes a huge difference, its what seperates murder from involuntary manslaughter.
Foil cards illegal? That’s just plain dumb
I like those players that used cheap sleeves to see the top card if it was a flip card or special markings through the yellow dragon Shield matte
If a player was Disqualified for playing 4 foil nexus of fate in a deck as the only foil cards after refusing to use proxies, I think that the issue of card quality would be forced into admission by way of the results of an official investigation, and WOTC may be liable for damages because of their sale of a faulty good. The damages could include travel expenses, lodging, meals, entry fee, and there may be grounds for a share of the jack pot.
BUT if this issue ever gets pushed, I fully expect WOTC to end paper magic and switch fully to Arena/Digital.
Why would a player refuse to use proxies? If you refuse to follow the rules, you're probably going to be banned.
@@mattdeaver6850 Rules say nothing about this. So saying I have to use unofficial objects rather than official in your official event brings the value of the objects to question. Which if ruled on as illegal would then put WOTC in the position to be sued for selling faulty product.
Same as GM selling faulty GM branded parts and then saying you have to use third party.
Also they are already pushing to end paper with how they are pushing Arena
I feel like he was actually supposed to put the card in his graveyard because all effects refer to creatures. “Exile all CREATURE cards in all graveyards that were put there from the battlefield this turn.” “If a CREATURE would die this turn, exile it instead. This card, however, is not a creature. It’s a sorcery.
The dude put a Creature card in his graveyard when it should have been exiled then used Ajani to reanimate it on the very next turn
I know it's an older video.
That country's flag is Portugal.
And as a portuguese I feel ashamed for having him representing us out there.
Yo Marcio means rotten in italian.
Savage!! 😂😂
Cheating should be a 2 strike policy. People when given incentives make mistakes, but if they refuse to learn from that mistake, you have no business in sport/competition.
Could be a mistake , I've seen very knowledgeable players make mistakes like that.
A player at this level doesn't just "forget" what cry does.. Peroid.
You should make a discord for the community that watches you. Maybe to discuss the game itself or set up games on cocktrice or arena. Iunno
Foiled cards can be conditioned to be playable cards. It's a heating process
Lmfao "he can privacy claim deez nuts."
Hahahahahaha thanks bro, I needed that laugh today.
Its a legion's landing, Des.
Why doesn't magic just institute a system where at a certain level of play you have to play your games on a computer that forces you to play correctly? Like MTG Arena basically? You just give the tournament your decklist and they upload it. Prevents these shenanigans outright (and also legitimate mistakes- I could definitely see myself legitimately making this mistake, I have a bad tendency to not read the entire card, in ways that often fuck me up more often than help me.)
Because, like with Konami, they can get away with a lot.
Switching his cards around like a pro on aderral... classic!!! Lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 awesome video.
I do it, and I'm far from a pro. I just get fidgety sometimes, and I can imagine that only gets much worse when you have the pressure of being in one of the biggest tournaments
It could just be a mistake... And the judge should have corrected it...
But couldn't he use the ability to give something instructable in response to that spell getting played sending it to the graveyard before the effects went off
And then the Cry exiles it from the GY since it exiles all creatures that died that turn.
Yeah but Cry if the Carnarium exiles all cards that were put into the graveyard that turn, regardless of how it was put into the graveyard. Even if it was put there before Cry was cast
Tbh that part on cry about existing all cards that was put into the grave this turn i didn't even know it said that i thought it was all the cards that died by cry got exiled so tbh it could have been a honest mistake
I watched it 3 times and didn't notice what happened, the opponent didn't notice and the casters didn't notice... i think there is a fair chance he didn't cheat here and just made a mistake.
Plus i think it's kinda stupid to cheat like this, since you have to assume your opponent knows how his card works.
MTG needs golf rules. If you make an error on your golf scorecard, however unintentional, you are disqualified. MTG needs to retroactively disqualify anyone that blatantly breaks the rules by their own actions.
Pretty shitty that almost all Commander Legends foils are literally ineligible to officially play Magic. They should have to replace heavily foiled cards or compensate in some manner. Especially with how expensive collector boosters are and they were affected most heavily since almost the whole pack is foil.
You can privacy claim DEEZ NUTS! :D (pretty sure best disclaimer in RUclips history ngl )
i wanted to say called it, but everyone expected this.
This is why in big events there needs to be a judge at every table. Come on WotC! You are saving enough money from the terrible card stock to hire some people for a few days!
A big example of why you should always pay attention to board state.
As a guy new to MTG I gotta ask... Why play with real cards if cheating is such common practice? I assume these "cheats" would be impossible on a PC.