@@TimmyRayField Linguist here. Sometimes people use double negatives in this way to express a semantical meaning to emphasize the meaning. While you're not wrong, the original poster isn't wrong either.
@@MusicalRadiation 👍 One could say, it's _not uncommon_ to find the very people schooling others about grammar in RUclips comments to be in need of schooling themselves... so I _wasn't unhappy_ to find a linguist explaining how double negatives are used in the English language. 😉
VLS allows 4 specs, or 1 spec + a gmaul spec, into another spec. Its also a much more viable "whack" weapon switch after you're out of spec, and you're getting a spec chance back quicker. AGS+Gmaul is always the king of combo max damage. But its far less consistent.
the king of inconsistent but ridiculous amounts of damage will forever be 1hp dharok bombs into g maul lmao. one time i was going to mage bank and some dude was sitting under the wildy lever and smacked me for a 32 g mail into a 57 bomb to the back of the neck. i couldn’t even be mad that shit was so sudden i burst out laughing.
@@eprimchad2576 It's a different reading of the same phrase. It hits *more often than other weapons* against enemies with high defense, but it is not more accurate against enemies with high defense than it is against enemies with low defense.
Lot of ppl and myself use to use it less as a KO weapon and more something to drain hp because of it's accuracy or as a first/after spec weapon as far as the OG vls. It was pretty OP back in the day, lot of people hated it then also.
I feel its the same way ostmumen fang and the ancient godsword is used. Accurate hits meant to just drain supplies with guaranteed damage. We know claws and ags can hit you 80, but on tribrid fights its a lot of outlasting
Vesta's longsword has a special attack, Feint, that consumes 25% of the player's special attack energy and deals between 20% and 120% of the user's max hit, with the accuracy of this attack rolled against 25% of the opponent's defence. This is the special attack from the wiki. To me that sounds like opponents def being higher doesnt make it hit more. That just sounds counter intuitive.
“The accuracy of this attack rolled against 25% of the opponent’s defense” If your opponent has +100 Defense bonus, the special attack will roll against a +25 bonus instead. It sounds like you’d hit more because you’re more accurate
@@devinracelis8392 that doesnt make it hit more BECAUSE they have more defense... that is what they are saying. It's accuracy doesnt scale UP against opponents with higher defense, it scales DOWN the defense for the roll.
I'd rather it stay the way it is than do what RS3 did. I'm rs3 you can go into wildly without worrying about getting pk'd. But monsters spawn on you... So skillers have trouble
That doesn't sound very oldschool. I think completely separating PVM from PVP goes against the spirit of the game. Also, usually when MMOs do that the PVP community usually dies.
Wasn't the original Bounty Hunter that one like crater in the wildy that resembled the tzhaar pit? Edit: Oh shit yeah, I did not think it was all the way back in 2007 that that version came into play... makes sense tho because it was their response to the free trade and wilderness madness.
On RS3 this weapon was massive for pvm and was used until less than a year ago. People still use it but it's not your bis switch for melee anymore. Just shows how relevant it stayed for years. It was used, and can still be used, for some records.
@@ChronoSquare not for me. But since I played since 2008 I did catch its name a few times. Goes to show. So much items can go missed in such a large item library like runescape.
8:00 This had already been happening for years long before the wildy remake. Dihn's Bulwark is the first thing I remember failing poles that they just added in anyways. That was in 2017. Which I didn't mind at the time because I wanted the big two hand shield for the luls, was sad when it failed but then surprised to see it added anyways. I voted for it to pass and it failed, I remember being sad when I saw it didn't pass. But then I seen them do it more and more, I expected them to just change the Abyssal Dagger even though it polled and failed 3 times as they've done it multiple times with tonnes of stuff. I'm sure there are plenty of other instances even before that, it's just the first I noticed.
Lol that meme at 10:45 is so true. As a tank ranger I straight up quit pvp. Every time range gets anything good it gets nerfed in a week. RIP void, blowpipe, and handcannon
The poll restriction wasn’t only for people who had gotten a pk in the last three months, it also included anyone that had even 1 game of lms played in that time… so many 1200 total ironmen were able to vote on that poll lmao.
just bring back bounty hunter 1, there were at most 100bots at a time... bh2was a disaster, 1/10targets was a pker... now having an account build with lower than 60cb has no meaning at all(except in f2p) if you want to pk you need a max pure/zerk/main or youll always be at a disadvantage, cquse everyone else is maxed, noone makes new pking builds, becuz theres literally noone to fight, bh2 brought in new people to pvp, becuz it takes les than 20hours to make a strong pvp build ane have fun, but now you have to max str/magic/range just to try to learn pvp... lms has always had bots but it didnt get removed? jagex is determined to kill pvp, i think bh removal proves it... there were atleast ~80 people below 60cmbt on at all times, now if youre lucky there might be 1 or 2, so atleast for me, jagex completly killed the resson i play this gans
And to add to that I feel like there’s more bots at lms than bh worlds ever had, at least the bots in bh worlds only messed with each other, instead of ruining your experience with insta 1 tick switches and insane movement
@@Tharendel That turned me off to pvp bc i tried lms and the bots were like terminator. Those bots arent there anymore most the bots now are dumb and beatable as pvmer I've actually been having a lot of fun playing lms recently. Base lms rank is 500 i went down to like 150 bc those terminator bots now im at 1500 because its actually normal players playing the game.
I stopped a few years ago but I mostly did low lvl pking when I got online sometime just because it was low risk, low intensity fighting. Nowadays I just cant keep up anymore :/
I wonder how op the vls would actually be if it was allowed in the main game. I would be interested to see how useful it would actually be at bosses and stuff.
You misunderstood the 2 variants. The corrupt vls was basically a slightly weaker vls (4 less str) that only req 25 attack to equip but only lasted 15 minutes, a weapon obviously intended for pure accounts, the corrupt armors were the same deal. The non corrupt lasted an hour but had a special attack and required 78 attack to equip. The corrupt swh and vls we're used as ko weapons as they had insane stats but only req 25 attack to equip
You guys didn't play when og bh world's where around? Vls always was a dps replacement for a whips. SWH and maismic where the good items. Swh hits much higher than vls amd lowers defence so you can dominate the rest of the fight, maismic was straight up higher lol spell than ice barrage so make it good
As someone who mindlessly solo'd dungeoneering at release where you got severely punished for running solo... I'm game. I got 70smth before they patched solo xp rates to not be ballcrushingly low.
Honestly if they want something to pass they can just say "Should we *not* add this thing?" 65% yes, we should not-add it? Didn't pass, we gotta add it!
@Colonello I was there and playing back when VLS was 'new' in rs2. I got to use it plenty then and it was a staple in my setup for a long time. What people seem to not realize, is the VLS was the next evolution in top tier at the time, much like how WoW or SWTOR and even Destiny 2 all bump up the level limits and item creep. Thing is, since OSRS came out we have had the game go in a different direction without the VLS, with things like torva/inquisitors/justi/dhins and so on that never existed before. I think trying to force the VLS into the game now just doesnt fit with how things are today. Weapon added to a different game, for a different meta. Since it already exists, the only real solution is to absolutely gut the thing by making its spec 55% energy use. The most overwhelming thing about it was the 4 super hard hitting attacks back to back or 2 into a gmaul/claws sort of thing. Taking that away lets it exist as a niche item while still probably upsetting pretty much everyone. Nobody wins!
Wasn't the original bounty hinter before the wildy one? It was deep in windy and you would enter a bounty hunter pit where you would have a skull colour based on your carried wealth. Once you killed someone you were on a timer and couldn't leave. You'd still be given a target but it got crazy. People would sit inside grouped. You'd go looking for your target and find a war instead.
Yep! It was sort of functionally similar to what was described in the video though. Jagex took BH offline and back online again 3-4 times so it's hard to remember. I was also like 13 years old - but I do remember that volcano getting repurposed for BH before it was setup closer to Edgeville
From a non-player (I mean I played a bit during the days when old school was just school), why would this thing being usable on NPCs be bad? As in, what would specifically be the problem?
I hate OSRS polls the game is nearly a decade old jagex should just do whatever they want. The whole pulled system has just resulted in us getting almost 0 new contacts because all the weird purists want to shoot it down so they can grind the same shit they’ve been grinding for 15 years.
Rs3 is Jagexs. Osrs is the players. Thats why osrs was released, was for a player driven rs. Not even being coy. That was the guideline of its release.
Did you get them clips on HDOS? it’s looking dope 🤤🤤 08 HD was the pinnacle of RS graphics, if only they made old school with that style but with the improvements of todays tech 🤯😅😂 Edit: VLS should be useable in normal worlds just like a whip or dds or ags. Always thought limiting it to bounty/pvp worlds was stupid, especially with the cost of it. In fact they should remove PVP worlds altogether so you have to go into the wild to pk. All the edge ditch huggers just went to G.E PVP worlds and it killed pking a bit tbh. Wildy rework + removal of PVP worlds + make VLS useable everywhere on every world + improved 08 HD style gfx, even the website layout from back then cos the one now is bleak and that’s perfect 👌🏼
"I think we all know why it was turned into a money printer" Me who has never played runescape and has only started watching this dude videos today for some reason: "ah yes I know why. 🤣
I bought the full Vesta set back in the day just because it looked cool. I used it a little in clan wars but mostly just used it as cosmetic. It was really overpowered... better defense than barrows on statius, and better str bonus than bandos while still having comparable defense to barrows on vesta...
That’s how the pvp vote was suppose to work, a lot of people who just did lms were able to vote on that pole as well. Sae bae talked about that as well. I always thought it would be cool to see the meta change and wr kill speeds change on monsters and pvmers needing a pvp wep to do it
@@mertz313 At least to get your fix, you can just play rs3 in legacy combat mode. Get the new with the feel of the old. Turn on legacy interface and buy some replica plate armor, peak rs2.
>pretty much every update is decided by players >except for when they lower the poll % at-will without consulting anyone, and then proceed to start changing core and nostalgic npc models for the sake of "diversity" (:
Jagex has done this (as in, making changes without a poll) on multiple occasions. Recently with the "diversity and inclusion update" which notably killed an innocuous joke in the Recruitment Drive quest, and made it so that you could just "be the prince/princess's friend" instead of marrying them in the Throne of Miscellania quest. Both of which I thought were really stupid changes.
@@Monkimode That's not what I said. I said that changing the "Saradomin has blessed me so that no man can defeat me" joke in Recruitment Drive and changing Throne of Miscellania so you no longer have to marry the prince/princess is stupid.
I remember it being super overpowered when somebody would just spec a 45 four times in a row back to back and there is literally nothing you could do that I will eat it at the time.
if VLS was usable in the wild outside of bounty worlds, it would absolutely be broken. Your take that it's not broken just because it failed polls is completely wrong. Any deep wild pker will bring a VLS to bounty worlds if they can actually get someone to fight there. 25% special attack energy is insanely broken despite it being a lower max hit than ags. You can even VLS-maul and still have another VLS spec. Not to mention if it were allowed in PVM, it would be utterly broken To add, you saying that a dds is better against "low def" targets is wrong, unless you mean literal 1 defense pures.
What I don't understand with the polling argument. 74% is majority, as in people want it. 26% did not, ergo. 74% were positive to the changes. I would understand if it failed with 40% votes, but calling a 74.9% poll a failed poll? So much for listening to players 🤔 This reminds me of the Stackable clues poll, majority wanted it, people who hunt for rangers voted no (Especially eclectic imp botters) . Makes perfect sense to deny the ones actually doing the content 🙃
Not sure why, but way back in jagex career. They deemed "80%" is the majority. Its to avoid rs3 mistakes where 51% won, but made the game crumble in anger. So any less then 80% isnt enough for unbiased winning. Tho with 70% they would rework, or just wait till later to see if opinions change.
When 60% favoured votes are considered "failing miserably" to me that really shines how bad the polling system was in OSRS. I think it was a cool idea to "let the players decide on all content" but with the amount of spite voting that occurred getting a 75% favoured vote was pretty much impossible if the poll was in favour of PvP in any way.
Well, there's a good reason to want a high majority instead of just a regular majority. Do you really want 40% of your players to be unsatisfied with an update?
@@Jorvalt I mean... do you want 60% to be unsatisfied that it didn't? There isn't really a way to make every player happy. When I minority community gets fully neglected it slowly dies out. Hence PvP being so dead now compared to 5 years ago.
Polling honestly is so unfair im a Pvmer and i feel bad for all pvp content, people who are mad just deny pvpers the ability to enjoy the game. I dont mind jagex going around the community to release pvp content because of the heavy amount of players that are pvmers and just deny all pvp content.
Always gonna vote against these shitty items. When the ancient warrior items originally released in 2008 it marked the end of my runescape career. That shit was so broken and busted and just overall poorly designed that I didn't trust the developers to make good content anymore and quit until OSRS came out.
Bounty hunter should've just given untradeable items, like cosmetics and not offer items with value. Some people like bounty hunter for the change of pace from PvP worlds, and don't need to earn shit loads of gp from stupid loot boxes. People complaining were pvm nerds that thought they deserve to have a safe experience in the wildy.
Sorry for the random question, but…how do you manage your Reddit channel and this one? It’s 2 very different channels and honestly your heart is more in this one than the other one. 😂 Do you hire people to find you daily stories while you focus on the research for this one, or what?
I have an editor for the Reddit channel, and sometimes someone edits my voiceover recordings on this channel, but other than that I do everything myself for all of my channels :)
Well this was one of the showings Jagex literally goes against the polling system and they started doing that for a while after and still do :P we need a poll to say they cant just add whatever the fuck they want :P unless its the most integrity change needed possible :P
"If they want they can go against the polling system".... yeah..... they are the developers, they can do whatever they want, be greatful they even have a polling system, most game developers dgaf and make money hungry changes
Trust me, I'm very grateful. Old School's devs are awesome. That being said, Old School's home page says that "the community controls the development so the game is truly what you want it to be!" Forcing an item into the game that failed the polls multiple times is the exact opposite of a community controlled game.
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That mod Mat K clip will never not make me laugh lmao
Mod Mat K and the K stands for kids.
"Bit of technique there as well..."
@@TimmyRayField Linguist here. Sometimes people use double negatives in this way to express a semantical meaning to emphasize the meaning. While you're not wrong, the original poster isn't wrong either.
@@MusicalRadiation 👍 One could say, it's _not uncommon_ to find the very people schooling others about grammar in RUclips comments to be in need of schooling themselves... so I _wasn't unhappy_ to find a linguist explaining how double negatives are used in the English language. 😉
Shift anti-drag GOAT lol if I dont have that turned on I will also accidently drag things and not drop them
VLS allows 4 specs, or 1 spec + a gmaul spec, into another spec. Its also a much more viable "whack" weapon switch after you're out of spec, and you're getting a spec chance back quicker.
AGS+Gmaul is always the king of combo max damage. But its far less consistent.
the king of inconsistent but ridiculous amounts of damage will forever be 1hp dharok bombs into g maul lmao. one time i was going to mage bank and some dude was sitting under the wildy lever and smacked me for a 32 g mail into a 57 bomb to the back of the neck. i couldn’t even be mad that shit was so sudden i burst out laughing.
VLS spec doesn't hit more often on higher defence, it uses 25% of the defence roll that's usually used.
Shoot! I mis-read the Wiki completely on that portion. I'll add a correction to the pinned comment
That sounds like it would hit more often on someone with high def if it only uses 25% of their roll.
@@eprimchad2576 It's a different reading of the same phrase. It hits *more often than other weapons* against enemies with high defense, but it is not more accurate against enemies with high defense than it is against enemies with low defense.
@@ColonelloRS wheres that pinned comment boi
@@ColonelloRS what pinned comment
I'll always remember getting a corrupted vls in 2011, accidentally equipping it and losing 9m
Classic move haha
Lot of ppl and myself use to use it less as a KO weapon and more something to drain hp because of it's accuracy or as a first/after spec weapon as far as the OG vls. It was pretty OP back in the day, lot of people hated it then also.
I feel its the same way ostmumen fang and the ancient godsword is used. Accurate hits meant to just drain supplies with guaranteed damage.
We know claws and ags can hit you 80, but on tribrid fights its a lot of outlasting
I have honestly wondered so much about exactly what the VLS was all about
"We keep polling it until it passes, and if it doesn't we just push it through anyway." -European Runescape Union.
qq
Yeah bc vls needs to be in the game, only salty pvm'ers vote against it
@@Validity_TNI am a pvmer and I believe it should be in the game. In actuality it was the pkers who were sabotaging their own content polls.
This is so true lol. Europe is fucked
Based
They tried to fill the same niche with the Osmumten’s Fang, and surprise surprise it has to be nerfed too
I laughed so hard at Mod Matt K trying to power mine. Just slightly dragging all of them like wtfs going on here
Lmao i often fail the same way. *noob*
Man I would love to see them bring back bounty hunter craters,that was be so sweet,that shit was soo much fun
I’d come back after a 2 year layoff for this
First of guthix please
@Aires bring back both?
Still agree 100%
If fog and craters came back with good rewards I might actually play again
Vesta's longsword has a special attack, Feint, that consumes 25% of the player's special attack energy and deals between 20% and 120% of the user's max hit, with the accuracy of this attack rolled against 25% of the opponent's defence.
This is the special attack from the wiki. To me that sounds like opponents def being higher doesnt make it hit more. That just sounds counter intuitive.
“The accuracy of this attack rolled against 25% of the opponent’s defense”
If your opponent has +100 Defense bonus, the special attack will roll against a +25 bonus instead. It sounds like you’d hit more because you’re more accurate
@@devinracelis8392 average runescape player skill issue in reading as always.
@@devinracelis8392 that doesnt make it hit more BECAUSE they have more defense... that is what they are saying. It's accuracy doesnt scale UP against opponents with higher defense, it scales DOWN the defense for the roll.
The special attack doesnt roll higher on higher defence. It ignores 75% of the opponents defence. Nice video though otherwise!
Thank you! Correction added in pinned comment :)
@@ColonelloRS It isn’t pinned btw
That's crazy
@@ColonelloRS you didn’t pin it.
@@ColonelloRS still not pinned…. maybe he’s busy heating up factor meals in the microwave.
VLS and Torva armour combo, thats why the ts youtuber Torvesta got his name from
I think what most PvMers wants with RuneScape is to disable PvP in the wilderness so they can PvM.
nah, that removes most of the challenge from the wildy bosses
I'd rather it stay the way it is than do what RS3 did. I'm rs3 you can go into wildly without worrying about getting pk'd. But monsters spawn on you... So skillers have trouble
@@gatorbait9385 That monster spawning system got removed already.
That doesn't sound very oldschool. I think completely separating PVM from PVP goes against the spirit of the game. Also, usually when MMOs do that the PVP community usually dies.
Don’t care 😂 keep PvP to their little zone and I’ll keep to the whole ahh rest of the game ok ? OK
Wasn't the original Bounty Hunter that one like crater in the wildy that resembled the tzhaar pit?
Edit: Oh shit yeah, I did not think it was all the way back in 2007 that that version came into play... makes sense tho because it was their response to the free trade and wilderness madness.
On RS3 this weapon was massive for pvm and was used until less than a year ago. People still use it but it's not your bis switch for melee anymore. Just shows how relevant it stayed for years. It was used, and can still be used, for some records.
I play rs3 and while I haven't been pvming much in the last few years, you are the first time I've ever heard this weapon mentioned
@@ChronoSquare not for me. But since I played since 2008 I did catch its name a few times.
Goes to show. So much items can go missed in such a large item library like runescape.
8:00 This had already been happening for years long before the wildy remake. Dihn's Bulwark is the first thing I remember failing poles that they just added in anyways. That was in 2017. Which I didn't mind at the time because I wanted the big two hand shield for the luls, was sad when it failed but then surprised to see it added anyways. I voted for it to pass and it failed, I remember being sad when I saw it didn't pass. But then I seen them do it more and more, I expected them to just change the Abyssal Dagger even though it polled and failed 3 times as they've done it multiple times with tonnes of stuff.
I'm sure there are plenty of other instances even before that, it's just the first I noticed.
Lol that meme at 10:45 is so true. As a tank ranger I straight up quit pvp. Every time range gets anything good it gets nerfed in a week. RIP void, blowpipe, and handcannon
@@brandonnazelrodt2819 actually I risk 0k because I don’t play 😀
No shit, rangers can't get anything decently powerful and if it's worth a damn, it costs an outrageous amount of Gold
The poll restriction wasn’t only for people who had gotten a pk in the last three months, it also included anyone that had even 1 game of lms played in that time… so many 1200 total ironmen were able to vote on that poll lmao.
ironmen are the reason osrs is shit. >:(((((
@@TheKingreiko mains are the reason bots exist and osrs economy is a dumpster fire
@@lukienman yeah I'm just taking the piss out of the guy classically blaming Ironmen for everything.
lms isnt a pvp update change my fking mind
@@TheKingreiko you can cry all you want but what I said is objectively true
I'm _still_ laughing at that "power-mining" clip & I don't even play RS! 👌🤣
The Korasi sword was more OP than the VLS
Then we should combine them.
The Vesta Korasi sword
I feel the same way. Fuck the Korasi sword for real.
I would like to see fist of guthix return.
I feel like everyone forgot about osmumten’s fang
Maybe I'll do a video on that in the future. Its had so many changes in such a short amount of time
@@ColonelloRS would probably be a worthwhile subject
just bring back bounty hunter 1, there were at most 100bots at a time... bh2was a disaster, 1/10targets was a pker... now having an account build with lower than 60cb has no meaning at all(except in f2p) if you want to pk you need a max pure/zerk/main or youll always be at a disadvantage, cquse everyone else is maxed, noone makes new pking builds, becuz theres literally noone to fight, bh2 brought in new people to pvp, becuz it takes les than 20hours to make a strong pvp build ane have fun, but now you have to max str/magic/range just to try to learn pvp... lms has always had bots but it didnt get removed? jagex is determined to kill pvp, i think bh removal proves it... there were atleast ~80 people below 60cmbt on at all times, now if youre lucky there might be 1 or 2, so atleast for me, jagex completly killed the resson i play this gans
And to add to that I feel like there’s more bots at lms than bh worlds ever had, at least the bots in bh worlds only messed with each other, instead of ruining your experience with insta 1 tick switches and insane movement
I came back to runescape after like 6 years because mobile/bh.. Made 5 accounts all members... For nothing.. Thank you jagex
@@Tharendel ikr...
@@Tharendel That turned me off to pvp bc i tried lms and the bots were like terminator. Those bots arent there anymore most the bots now are dumb and beatable as pvmer I've actually been having a lot of fun playing lms recently. Base lms rank is 500 i went down to like 150 bc those terminator bots now im at 1500 because its actually normal players playing the game.
I stopped a few years ago but I mostly did low lvl pking when I got online sometime just because it was low risk, low intensity fighting. Nowadays I just cant keep up anymore :/
I wonder how op the vls would actually be if it was allowed in the main game. I would be interested to see how useful it would actually be at bosses and stuff.
Like if it rolled to hit twice??
Like u have double the chance to not hit a 0?
Pretty much what fang is
@@ResRes321 haha that's the joke
You misunderstood the 2 variants. The corrupt vls was basically a slightly weaker vls (4 less str) that only req 25 attack to equip but only lasted 15 minutes, a weapon obviously intended for pure accounts, the corrupt armors were the same deal. The non corrupt lasted an hour but had a special attack and required 78 attack to equip. The corrupt swh and vls we're used as ko weapons as they had insane stats but only req 25 attack to equip
This video makes me despise polls. Players aren't game designers and if something truly breaks the game they could patch it to be better.
It's just Vesta's Longsword
Saying 'The' beforehand is like saying The Colonello's RUclips channel, or The Kyle's car.
The Torvesta youtube channel, oh wait
You guys didn't play when og bh world's where around? Vls always was a dps replacement for a whips. SWH and maismic where the good items. Swh hits much higher than vls amd lowers defence so you can dominate the rest of the fight, maismic was straight up higher lol spell than ice barrage so make it good
Wish they'd put dungeoneering in without asking anybody and apologizing to absolutely nobody.
I'll never forgive them for that Cancer
CoX is dungeoneering but less fun.
As someone who mindlessly solo'd dungeoneering at release where you got severely punished for running solo... I'm game.
I got 70smth before they patched solo xp rates to not be ballcrushingly low.
just do corrupted gauntlet bro
Go back to RS3.
Honestly if they want something to pass they can just say "Should we *not* add this thing?" 65% yes, we should not-add it? Didn't pass, we gotta add it!
Osmumten's fang is more accurate and easier to get for pking. Did you check it out before praising Vls bro?
the same people complaining about the VLS are the same people the voted for the voidwaker
I burned through about 10 vls's back in 2009, it was absolutely beast back then, even people sporting elysian/divine got deleted by it.
This video has an insane amount of midroll ads dude I'm 8 minutes in and have seen 3 so far
@Colonello I was there and playing back when VLS was 'new' in rs2. I got to use it plenty then and it was a staple in my setup for a long time. What people seem to not realize, is the VLS was the next evolution in top tier at the time, much like how WoW or SWTOR and even Destiny 2 all bump up the level limits and item creep. Thing is, since OSRS came out we have had the game go in a different direction without the VLS, with things like torva/inquisitors/justi/dhins and so on that never existed before. I think trying to force the VLS into the game now just doesnt fit with how things are today. Weapon added to a different game, for a different meta. Since it already exists, the only real solution is to absolutely gut the thing by making its spec 55% energy use. The most overwhelming thing about it was the 4 super hard hitting attacks back to back or 2 into a gmaul/claws sort of thing. Taking that away lets it exist as a niche item while still probably upsetting pretty much everyone. Nobody wins!
Leon for President
Wasn't the original bounty hinter before the wildy one? It was deep in windy and you would enter a bounty hunter pit where you would have a skull colour based on your carried wealth. Once you killed someone you were on a timer and couldn't leave. You'd still be given a target but it got crazy. People would sit inside grouped. You'd go looking for your target and find a war instead.
Yep! It was sort of functionally similar to what was described in the video though. Jagex took BH offline and back online again 3-4 times so it's hard to remember.
I was also like 13 years old - but I do remember that volcano getting repurposed for BH before it was setup closer to Edgeville
I think it was called fist of guthix
From a non-player (I mean I played a bit during the days when old school was just school), why would this thing being usable on NPCs be bad?
As in, what would specifically be the problem?
Pvm'ers in osrs right now are whiny as hell. They don't want their current gear to not be the meta set
You can't blame Jed for Jagex not rebalancing loot drops 🤣
"Oh he's gonna talk about fang nerf"
"Weapon is too accurate"
"Yep, Fang."
"VLS"
You what?
these sets are so cool, i wish they only would do it less op so we could use it as fashionscape
I hate OSRS polls the game is nearly a decade old jagex should just do whatever they want. The whole pulled system has just resulted in us getting almost 0 new contacts because all the weird purists want to shoot it down so they can grind the same shit they’ve been grinding for 15 years.
Rs3 is Jagexs. Osrs is the players.
Thats why osrs was released, was for a player driven rs. Not even being coy. That was the guideline of its release.
do you think theyll save BH worlds (target world) or is it dead for good?
Did you get them clips on HDOS? it’s looking dope 🤤🤤 08 HD was the pinnacle of RS graphics, if only they made old school with that style but with the improvements of todays tech 🤯😅😂
Edit: VLS should be useable in normal worlds just like a whip or dds or ags. Always thought limiting it to bounty/pvp worlds was stupid, especially with the cost of it. In fact they should remove PVP worlds altogether so you have to go into the wild to pk. All the edge ditch huggers just went to G.E PVP worlds and it killed pking a bit tbh. Wildy rework + removal of PVP worlds + make VLS useable everywhere on every world + improved 08 HD style gfx, even the website layout from back then cos the one now is bleak and that’s perfect 👌🏼
The 08 character models and animations were fucking terrible keep that shit out of osrs
the power mine comment broke me for 10 mins straight.. because thats how i play osrs in general.
"I think we all know why it was turned into a money printer"
Me who has never played runescape and has only started watching this dude videos today for some reason: "ah yes I know why. 🤣
Yeah, suppose to be an informative video and he leaves out information. What a genius.
That courage reference absolutely killed me 😭🤣
I remember in OG old school that Vesta, Statius, and Morrigan were absolutely broken
I bought the full Vesta set back in the day just because it looked cool. I used it a little in clan wars but mostly just used it as cosmetic.
It was really overpowered... better defense than barrows on statius, and better str bonus than bandos while still having comparable defense to barrows on vesta...
That’s how the pvp vote was suppose to work, a lot of people who just did lms were able to vote on that pole as well. Sae bae talked about that as well. I always thought it would be cool to see the meta change and wr kill speeds change on monsters and pvmers needing a pvp wep to do it
WHEN do we get the BH BACK! xD. It takes ages. Geezus
The best era of RuneScape was right before the EOC came out. I'd love to see it get back to that stage
Yep
Turmoil and Soulsplit flashing was why I loved doing anything PVM
Same. I want summoning and soul split back 😭
@@SamLoki soul split made the game way to easy lol.
@@mertz313 At least to get your fix, you can just play rs3 in legacy combat mode. Get the new with the feel of the old.
Turn on legacy interface and buy some replica plate armor, peak rs2.
>pretty much every update is decided by players
>except for when they lower the poll % at-will without consulting anyone, and then proceed to start changing core and nostalgic npc models for the sake of "diversity" (:
Jagex seeing 40 bots from the same MAC address 😅 looks good to me ? 😅
They wanted to add something that prevent tanking. But yeah, weapon that is better when opponent is better is strange.
it's still better to wear high defense armor than low one for the times that it does fail. BIS strength gear has very high defense bonuses anyway.
Jagex has done this (as in, making changes without a poll) on multiple occasions. Recently with the "diversity and inclusion update" which notably killed an innocuous joke in the Recruitment Drive quest, and made it so that you could just "be the prince/princess's friend" instead of marrying them in the Throne of Miscellania quest. Both of which I thought were really stupid changes.
"diversion and inclusion are stupid waah"
Woke propaganda to try an attract more rainbow people. They would rather lose players than gain them, and all of their groomer updates show this.
@@Monkimode That's not what I said. I said that changing the "Saradomin has blessed me so that no man can defeat me" joke in Recruitment Drive and changing Throne of Miscellania so you no longer have to marry the prince/princess is stupid.
@@Monkimode yes. Questions?
@@Monkimode they are because companies don't actually know what that means.
I remember it being super overpowered when somebody would just spec a 45 four times in a row back to back and there is literally nothing you could do that I will eat it at the time.
I csnt believe they brought the freaking korasi sword back.
if VLS was usable in the wild outside of bounty worlds, it would absolutely be broken. Your take that it's not broken just because it failed polls is completely wrong. Any deep wild pker will bring a VLS to bounty worlds if they can actually get someone to fight there. 25% special attack energy is insanely broken despite it being a lower max hit than ags. You can even VLS-maul and still have another VLS spec.
Not to mention if it were allowed in PVM, it would be utterly broken
To add, you saying that a dds is better against "low def" targets is wrong, unless you mean literal 1 defense pures.
We not gonna talk about that bluerite defender?
Imagine a twisted bow just getting deleted out of your inventory
RUclips getting brave with these two ads.
Sad how many people don't have youtube premium
What I don't understand with the polling argument.
74% is majority, as in people want it. 26% did not, ergo. 74% were positive to the changes.
I would understand if it failed with 40% votes, but calling a 74.9% poll a failed poll? So much for listening to players 🤔
This reminds me of the Stackable clues poll, majority wanted it, people who hunt for rangers voted no (Especially eclectic imp botters) . Makes perfect sense to deny the ones actually doing the content 🙃
Not sure why, but way back in jagex career. They deemed "80%" is the majority.
Its to avoid rs3 mistakes where 51% won, but made the game crumble in anger.
So any less then 80% isnt enough for unbiased winning.
Tho with 70% they would rework, or just wait till later to see if opinions change.
Do I see the HDOS client in here? Love it!
Rs3 is the main game. Osrs is its speed cousin.
When 60% favoured votes are considered "failing miserably" to me that really shines how bad the polling system was in OSRS. I think it was a cool idea to "let the players decide on all content" but with the amount of spite voting that occurred getting a 75% favoured vote was pretty much impossible if the poll was in favour of PvP in any way.
Well, there's a good reason to want a high majority instead of just a regular majority. Do you really want 40% of your players to be unsatisfied with an update?
@@Jorvalt I mean... do you want 60% to be unsatisfied that it didn't? There isn't really a way to make every player happy. When I minority community gets fully neglected it slowly dies out. Hence PvP being so dead now compared to 5 years ago.
Jagex SHOULD do things despite how they poll. Old School players need to let go of their idea of nostalgia and control, or this game will wither.
I’m sorry that clip of Mod Mat K fucking killed me
Polling honestly is so unfair im a Pvmer and i feel bad for all pvp content, people who are mad just deny pvpers the ability to enjoy the game. I dont mind jagex going around the community to release pvp content because of the heavy amount of players that are pvmers and just deny all pvp content.
i remember selling vesta LS's for like 80-100m during their peak
I wanna see handcannons make a come back
Launch VLS was disgusting. Only those who were there for it will remember getting 40’d through prayer, while eating, repeatedly till dead.
As a RS3 player, the idea of the OSRS community being outraged by one pvp item being added without a poll is so bizarre.
"As a rs3 player" no one who plays osrs gives a fuck what you think 😂
I already don't touch PKing. This would, or does, just give me more reason not to!
9:24 so actually Matt K invented anti drag protection... lol
Fast forward and yup they are trying to slowly but surely introduce VLS into the main game. We are frogs being boiled alive
I like how I got an ad in the middle of an ad
Loving the HDOS clips 😊
"Stop harassing jmods on Twitter"
Bruh, we can't help that Ash is such a specimen that we all feel compelled to message him lmao
The VLS will be released again once they release the zombie minigame.
Maybe one day osrs Mobile will get a update to make it work again " a man sobs in the corner"
Always gonna vote against these shitty items. When the ancient warrior items originally released in 2008 it marked the end of my runescape career. That shit was so broken and busted and just overall poorly designed that I didn't trust the developers to make good content anymore and quit until OSRS came out.
Out of all the things to force, they didn’t pick the new skill warding?!
Me who hasn't played Runescape in 15 years: Yes, interesting
Bounty hunter should've just given untradeable items, like cosmetics and not offer items with value. Some people like bounty hunter for the change of pace from PvP worlds, and don't need to earn shit loads of gp from stupid loot boxes. People complaining were pvm nerds that thought they deserve to have a safe experience in the wildy.
Sorry for the random question, but…how do you manage your Reddit channel and this one? It’s 2 very different channels and honestly your heart is more in this one than the other one. 😂 Do you hire people to find you daily stories while you focus on the research for this one, or what?
I have an editor for the Reddit channel, and sometimes someone edits my voiceover recordings on this channel, but other than that I do everything myself for all of my channels :)
@@ColonelloRS That is some serious talent! I highly commend you and am glad to follow both channels! Keep it up!
>implying the most hated weapon isn't the dwarf cannon
ICANT
Lowering the threshold should be a crime. Why not put it to 30 percent while we are at it?
Great vid!
I miss varrock wild days before the ditch 2005
Nice video bro Been watching you for a while
Thank you! :D
Jagex doesn’t care about pkers which sucks. I’m not even a pker when I played but y’all should get what you need!
This video aged well
Bounty hunter was some of the most fun i've had on RS and I consider myself a pvmer
2015?? 2019?? I'm remembering earlier then this. I wasn't even playing in 2015 my son was born. Pking was alive 2010 11 12
All the dates are wrong man way off 🤷♂️
What was the point of polls again? wasn't 07 built on the promise of player's choice?
My rs3 account: so we finally got rid of pvp and now a massive slayer hunting ground.
Well this was one of the showings Jagex literally goes against the polling system and they started doing that for a while after and still do :P we need a poll to say they cant just add whatever the fuck they want :P unless its the most integrity change needed possible :P
Instead of that, give us sailing!
Truck-un Isekai-ed Runescape! 2:45
"If they want they can go against the polling system".... yeah..... they are the developers, they can do whatever they want, be greatful they even have a polling system, most game developers dgaf and make money hungry changes
Trust me, I'm very grateful. Old School's devs are awesome. That being said, Old School's home page says that "the community controls the development so the game is truly what you want it to be!" Forcing an item into the game that failed the polls multiple times is the exact opposite of a community controlled game.
They should be grateful they still have a playerbase after destroying their game so badly that they literally had to re-make it.