I wish I wasn't born tbh...but it's a gift of living but its can be hard depending on your environment, privileges..........sometimes I want to die ...see what is in the other sides...we didnt have choices to lives and still doest have a choice to die.
@@JessicabelliciMa1 The "other side" is back from whence you came: Nonexistence. You did not exist before you came to be, and you will return to non-existence one day relatively soon, compared to the eternity that you did not exist for, and will not exist for. So all you have is now. There is nothing else.
It's not about living literally forever, it's about living as long as you want until you're ready to go. The randomness and lack of choice is what makes it s***.
@@NeostormXLMAX Well if you're "biologically immortal" - which means you live forever without aging, but can still die from diseases (not sure about this) and injuries, all your friends, loves, and families will gradually die away and that's fucking sad. (not applied to all people) Second, if you're "true immortal" - which means you're fucking invincible and nothing could kill you, you'll spend the rest of your eternal life floating in space when the universe ended or humanity went extinct.
@@NeostormXLMAX It's not due to anything religious. I do truly think that any meaningful afterlife would still be a state of nonexistence, or bliss or pain to the point of an inability to do anything else than recognize it. But I have always managed to maintain things I wanted to experience, things that my being now enjoys to justify its own existence. Nothing about making a mark, I doubt everyone truly wants that knowing it will one day fade, anyways. I just feel that at some point I will have experienced everything I wish to, and am able to, experience. And once you've drained all the enjoyment and meaning out of the world, looking for more becomes tiresome, and leads to a sad, unfulfilling existence. I do not want to live forever because I know that one day I will run out of things to see. I will have heard the last good joke, I will have seen the last beautiful waterfall, I will have no more surprises to keep me on my toes. Nothing to do and nothing to happen to me to break it. But right now, I have those things to do and look forwards to. I would prefer to die. Just not yet.
@@Mr-HW Immortal means nothing can kill you that’s mundane diseases,aging,random heart attack,legos etc. Amortal means you can’t die no matter what happens to you hence invincible Eternal youth is just staying young forever but besides that you are just like every other human
I respect both viewpoints and see merit in each of them but I’m sorry. There is no way I’d choose to die if immortality was on the table. We all know that death is inescapable so we all strive to make peace with it but I honestly don’t believe that “death” is what gives life meaning. Personally I think experiences are the flavor of life so it stands to reason that infinite experiences would be an incredible ride. I know that eventually the universe will inevitably end but my curiosity about what comes next far outweighs any reservations I would otherwise hold
Yea why commit no living when you can live Life is gift because you birthed not someone other so i overthinked about sense of life Stupid but nice sense came! Sense of life is to life because you can feel emotions make actions and do SOMETHING that not limited by time
This can I ask, what gives those experiences meaning? This is a tangent, just answer the above question. Please Do you ever procrastinate thinking that you can do it later. You can do that because you have time, so I think that if you were immortal like how these people are, then a dead line would have probably lose a lot of its meaning. It will still retain some though.
if you had infinity, any single experience is meaningless and invaluable. The fact that you have a limited amount of experiences, gives each one more meaning and value than any one out of infinity. If you had infinite money, you wouldn’t care if you spent trillions of it, cause you will always have more, you can never run out, treat each experience like a dollar, or each year, it doesn’t matter. But humans don’t work like that, after you experience something once, its gone, you can’t have the same thrill ever again, but the thrill means nothing if you can keep having it over and over, then it doesn’t feel like a thrill, it feels like something you will never run out of. That’s the beauty of life, the fact that it can be gone makes each moment, each second, all the more precious.
Expierence only has value due to our life expectancy. Knowing you have one life, a expiration date you can live your life to the fullest if there is no end you cannot fulfill. It’s like trying to fill a bottomless hole, it is impossible. Immortality would be a curse, you’d see planets die, stars collapse, universes turn to dust and everything built will be destroyed and what will be left? People floating in a void, they cannot scream nor breath and yet they do not die. You feel each inch of pain and yet you never die, you’ll feel the pain of suffocation but your throat shall never fail. Immortality would be a choice you cannot reverse without using mortality.
I may not have anything good against it but you cant have one without the other. There is no light with out darkness, no good or bad. There can't be life without death. There can't be death without life. But I respect what you think
Whenever people have these conversations, they rarely talk about the different kinds of immortality. That's kind of important. Personally, my favorite is something like timelord regeneration, where you sort of do die, but you come back to life with a new body, and each incarnation of you has the memories of the previous ones.
Because immortality actually has a price you are forced to pay: knowing that while you are healthy and young forever, every person that you know and care about will die; since you are immortal you are forced to witness every act of humanity from both good and bad (evolution and warfare) and your mind may become enlightened or null knowing that things will change even though everything mentally would still be the same
@@PeaShooterAutoHunter this is a very stupid assumption you will become full of experience but your brain would stay the same its not gonna evolve. people have witness all their family die and yet their life goes on they dont become some sorda god or lose all meaning in their life. more over you would still be able to experience life with the kids of your kids and so on
It's ironic that the corporation is called "MayFli", because mayflies are known to have ridiculously short lifespans, only living for like a day as an adult.
@@stealthcone um no wtf. If your thinking about trees that about the only thing that lives longer than a human. Most species have an average of like 15-20 years
@@user-de6zo2vd9z stars and planets live for a ridiculously long amount of time, he was referring to everything else in the universe so don't limit it to just living beings on planet earth
@@brezio5251 if that was the case, you would not be alive too. The conditions for immortality are that other things continue to evolve too. The postulated Big Bang Theory doesn't support this. It is incomplete nevertheless, not accounting for Dark Matter or Dark Energy, as well as not yet having unified EWT and QCD as well as QFT with general relativity. But spiritual beliefs do support this view.
Except the meaning that those moments have would not be the same anymore and making new moments wouldn’t be the same either. Because live has meaning and the moments we make have meaning to us because those moments come to an end. The possibility of failure in life is what makes life meaning full
@@brezio5251 Eventually you'd just get used to it. When you can't die at all, other than you, nothing is ever gonna be permanent. Even insanity would eventually go away.
@@spongebobby6027 Even WITH biological immortality, what you say is true. Most importantly, meaning is not found but created and ours to literally *imbue*. Existence IS, but only through consciousness, observation, a me and a you. Our vessel may avoid the true death, only to find the pieces it breaks into. The peaceful rest of satisfaction, accomplishment and eventually our very purpose will die. Deleted, out of reach forever again every time the ouroboros cycle renews. If not physically then psychologically death will torture us if it is not true.
I would prefer a life like the Numenoreans of Lord of the Rings. A lifespan of 200-300 years where you are young and strong 90% of the time. Then, you start feeling old but you are allowed to choose when to die.
I was just about to reply to op with “I understood that reference” so I’m thinking that amukugo predicted that people would say that and the joke is that someone strangled captain America before he had the chance to say anything, I could be wrong though
I dont know if you would read this Pursuit of Wonder, but I just really wanna thank you for these videos. I believe that just like me you have opened the minds and widened the horizon of possibilities for millions of people and bent them to critically think about philosophical concepts always at play in the background of their lives. Truly, thank you.
Well put 👏. I like you all still question everything but in my mind I find meaning in the bad and good of life its here for us to feel. Some will not agree with me and we all need to figure it out for ourselves.but these thought experiments have helped me... question... sorry for the bad writing punctuation
@@mushyomens6885 If you live forever the world known as earth will succumb to end one day and you being immortal will float around in space for billions of years with no thrive to do anything But with the opition to choose when you die you could do all the things you want in the world then when your ready to go you can
@@Mechafr There are a trillion planets in the galaxy, a trillion galaxies in the universe. There is always something new waiting for us over the horizon.
The parallel of both pair of Son and Father was really ingenious. Your way of telling stories has so much layer that each time I watch this video I find a new sight to the same problem.
If anything, this is the type of immortality that I wouldn't ever take, a plant has a more interesting life than this, it can experience living and dying, as well as it's growth
Yea reincarnation is much better imagine a world where people reincarnate and remember their past lives or would that be the same thing cause its weird what if you recreated another version of me and I said hey whats up it worked and in reality its not my consciousness its wow thats deep I think the only way for this to work would be if you took someone's brain and transplanted it and had robots repair it
@@BossOfAllTrades the other best inmortality would be cellular regeneration, since our cells do not regenerate that's why we grow old and die, but that would require a loy of studies in biology more than technology
You don't have to have a crisis if you repent from your mountain of vile sins and accept Jesus as your savior; then you will live with us judgemental sanctimonious Christians in Heaven. FOREVER (sarcasm)
The universe only has a time limit based on our very limited understanding of it. No one knows for certain what will happen to the universe. But if we lived long enough, we could see things play out with our own eyes.
Depends how immortal you are. If you simply just can't seem to Die then sure. If your borderline divine immortality and cannot vanish in any way like a God then you quite literally will Outlive the universe, because you are truly eternal
Moral of the story: Every humans have different ambitions and goals in life its just some people's goal is just beyond to our current life span of human being to fullfil and reach it in the right time
I think kursegesagt put it in the best way "it's like your mom calling you to go inside when it's still noon, you don't want to play till midnight you just want to play a little longer"
“Through our eyes, the universe is perceiving itself. Through our ears, the universe is listening to its harmonies. We are the witnesses through which the universe becomes conscious of its glory, of its magnificence.” ― Alan Watts
I don't want to live forever, but being a thousand years old will be fun. Imagine witnessing the technological advancement at that point, it will almost feel like sorcery. I want to hang around longer, and 100 is too short for any major feat to happen...
Or the progress of humanity. The progress of our solar system. The descovery of other sentient life forms outside our solar system, and so much more...
It's easy enough to say that finality gives life meaning when your life already _has_ meaning, but not all of us are so blessed. Whether it be by the circumstances of our lives, or the constraints of our births, many of us never get the opportunity to give meaning to the lives we're forced into. For us, mortality itself is the chain that holds us back from meaning. While we are shackled by the limitations of our bodies, our minds, of time itself, we are never truly free to make of our "lives" what we wish to. Effort that ultimately ends in nothingness is the definition of meaningless, and I would outlive time itself with a smile on my face before I ever called immortality a curse.
Exactly you couldn't have explained it any better you honestly deserve an Oscar for this comment if a person is born grows up to be a successful scientist and say finds the cure for every sickness known to man compare him/her to a person that's never achieved anything no kids,job, home etc when they are dead it's the same end which is nothingness what you accomplish in life means nothing when your dead I would rather live until I'm the only living being in existence than say I rather death than immortality
I agree with you. I don’t think finality gives life meaning. We are shackled by our bodies limitations. Just think how much more can be accomplished with immortality. The only thing mankind needs to master with this gift of immortality, is pure logic. Remember, mankind is a biological and highly emotional being. With this, we have the curse of self-destruction. We need to evolve mentality in order to truly enjoy the gift of immortality. What good is immortality when many of us fall into emotional purely human traps of our lives. Example, drug addiction, alcohol abuse, emotional traps such as jealousy and rage. The question I pose to you is can mankind truly evolve into more logical, biological creatures and treat each other with respect and dignity? We actually need each other. I’d like to see not only immortality be a choice but evolving into better human beings.
Everlasting life won't give you any meaning if your own real mortal life doesn't already have meaning. Lack of time is what pushes you to accomplish and accomplishments feel fulfilling because of the amount of time it takes. This is the kind of defeatist mentality that keeps you down. Immortality won't solve your problems, but prolong them because it's YOU who truly limits yourself. I guarantee in a world where we are all immortal you will still remain average because of your stagnant mindset. And everything from plants, animals, and stars eventually die, so why should YOU deserve to live for eternity?
@@pleasebekindandcompassiona5836 Haha, I wouldn't bet on that. If you were to give me the choice of immortality over dying at 70-80 from some disease, then I would choose immortality in a heartbeat. BUT I don't think the method presented in the video is actual immortality. Consciousness copying creates a clone of yourself, so it would not be myself truly that gets to live forever.
@@Leonhart_93 Okay So if you live forever then, what will you do forever like won't you get bored and U won't be excited for things when you already did them many times, u'll not have new things to try too! What will you do?
“I grabbed a pile of dust, and holding it up, foolishly asked for as many birthdays as the grains of dust, I forgot to ask that they be years of youth. ” ~Ovid; Metamorphoses
In a world where immortality is an option Roy sounds like a construct that would be created and used to keep the lesser class content that they were denied immortality. The ruling class would play it off like they are sacrificing for those denied the option and use a Roy persona to convince them they are getting the better life.
At first I thought the ruling class wouldn't have much of a reason to keep the lower class mortal. But then again why would they do anything they're currently doing. For power.
Just like the saying that goes im not here for long time, just a good time while being 300 pounds and barley able to leave and wasting hundreds of dollars a month on lottery tickets and cigarettes.
Immortality sounds pretty good to me. Look how far we've come in the span of a few centuries. Imagine what we can accomplish in the next few thousand years. Imagine being able to bear witness to it all...
It's not possible anyways, people have to die off for a next generation to come. It would only be possible if the last generation is not allowed to reproduce anymore.
Well 99% people will never be ready to die and the rest 1% are the suicidal people! Life is fundamentally a suffering. And its this suffering which makes us feel the essence of joy, happiness and all others that humans crave for. WE VALUE ONLY THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE IN SCARCITY.
Now I know that living forever would mean losing everyone and everything I ever cared for and being condemned to be alone forever but the idea of being able to see this planet die, watch how humanity evolves, to see the sun explode, see the birth of a completely new galaxy and (if travelling through space will be an option) observe other planets and other species has and always will be my dream.
same , iwant to consume every single thing ever created on a perception of my own not like an ai can do in few seconds also chilling till the end of time is pretty beautiful thought all the memories we have made in life are too valuable to lose, atleast thats what a young mind of mine thinks gotta grow up to see if this kind of thought changes and if i will be ready to accept death even at the possibility of uploading consciousness
@@neilbertmillar9960 How is that not sad? It's true that everyone will start having fun but how long will that last? It will only be a matter of time before everyone starts getting bored of life and getting depressed. Maybe it might take 100 years, maybe 1000 or maybe a million. But it will happen.
@@tatrotzz3643 I think that the argument would be that 1,000 (or 10,000, or even longer) years of depression is much, much better than an infinity’s worth of the nothingness of non-existence.
The surest way to enjoy life is to have no unrealistic expectations, nor feel too depressed about that which you can't change. Wish it hadn't taken me 60 years to realise the obvious.
Nobody really wants to live forever. We just want to die when we feel like it's time. We get scared and anxious over the fact that death could just strike any minute. If we could just have the ability to control our own lifespan, then that'd be great.
I agree that a lot of people saying that they wish to be immortal might change thier mind in the long run. Personaly I would like to chose when I die myself and be healthy untill the day I do so, and I think that is what most immortality seekers also want.
@@alkeryn1700 No it's not the same, because a copy is a new continuity. Your current consciousness could perceive the new, exact copy as an entirely different entity. You would not "jump" from your existing perspective to the new one just because it is an identical recreation. It's like starting a new fire with an existing one. You now have two fires.
@@alkeryn1700 lol I don’t get this at all, simply uploading your consciousness helps you none. You still die along with who you are, yes you may have a perfect copy of yourself but that copy is not you. In the end all you are really doing is grasping at the wind.
Isn’t it amazing that we watch these videos, feel blissfully enlightened for a day and then we all fall back into our lives and all we want is financial security and job satisfaction and a loving family? Efn' Weird.
And just for a moment... I am uplifted, and my being and consciousness touches the comos. I taste the infinite. Only to be dragged back to reality... Is there anyway to suspend this moment in time?
Immortality isn't something that I would want. I'd just like not to be so fragile. To keep my youth and strength, have good mental health, to live and be happy with less pain than I have now while I was alive. I don't want a life that doesn't end. I do want a life that feels extraordinary and wonderful. Don't we all.
So you want to die by something other than old age or natural cause? Because that’s the only way to avoid experiencing losing your youth and strength. For example dying in a car crash.
@@immanuelcurry6095 I think he would like to die just after living his whole lifespan being young till the end without old age basically 100 years of youthful life and then just pass away
@@TheWorldThatYouWishFor that’s such a stupid statement if he’s happy and healthy at age 99 what makes you think he won’t be like I don’t want to die I love living and experiencing the world
@@haydenlloyd4543 its weird dude cause you wouldn't even know your alive but your are ill be honest this seems most plausible but that might be my brain trying to preserve a purpose in this world but at the same time if you die of old age you wouldn't be able to feel anything
"There is no truth in flesh, only betrayal. "There is no strength in flesh, only weakness. "There is no constancy in flesh, only decay. "There is no certainty in flesh but death.”
From the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me... i aspired for the certainty of steel, your kind claims your flesh as it fails you
The scariest part for me is out-living my love ones which forces me to find new relationships.. Overtime it might cause loyalty issues and generally a lot of grief
But you have time to develop a Stoic mindset to live a better life. you will cut down grief 80% and learn to accept loss. Read Stoic of Marcus Aurelius. But I don't understand.. if you can be genetically immortal, your love ones should be too.
@@ratanaksenasam2879 You can’t rationalize your way out of human emotions. No matter how much stoic philosophy you read, you will still suffer greatly at the loss of a loved one
“Let's suppose that you were able every night to dream any dream that you wanted to dream. And that you could, for example, have the power within one night to dream 75 years of time. Or any length of time you wanted to have. And you would, naturally as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure you could conceive. And after several nights of 75 years of total pleasure each, you would say "Well, that was pretty great." But now let's have a surprise. Let's have a dream which isn't under control. Where something is gonna happen to me that I don't know what it's going to be. And you would dig that and come out of that and say "Wow, that was a close shave, wasn't it?" And then you would get more and more adventurous, and you would make further and further out gambles as to what you would dream. And finally, you would dream ... where you are now. You would dream the dream of living the life that you are actually living today.” ― Alan Watts
I really liked the Naos son’s thinking. Unlike the father in the beginning, who clearly came to terms with death and it being apart of life, the Naos son recognized the trivial thought patterns of both choices. And it wasn’t his Naos father wanting death and him wanting to live forever to continue making the world great or whatever. It was 2 generations of this new society that both have come to terms with what life can be like if there were no end to it. It was 2 generations of individuals that know there is now a killswitch. And I’m not sure if anyone else thought of it, but the Naos’s solution kinda sorta hints towards suicide. Because they can choose to die, the chip or whatever the tech is (it looked like basically a SIM card you can insert almost like a euthanization) is a suicidal means. Where as a human dying can be from practically anything other than suicide. So in a way, the Naos son must also grapple with the idea that his father is imploring him to kill himself. Which I understand the parallel with the storyline, but it’s scary to think that humanity could very well get to that point and then want to effectively wipe themselves out because their immortality has taught them as a society that living forever is actually the worst. Could you imagine an entire species being so sick of life that they even implore their kids to off themselves without any thought to continuing humanity? *shutter*
Choosing whether you want to live or choose forever would actually be an amazing privilege, infinitely better than the horror of being doomed to oblivion with no control over how or when, and only being able to end yourself or wait for something to kill you.
@@spicymeatballs2thespicening In some twisted way, suicide (in my opinion) is the equivalence of the Nao’s son discussing implanting his self destruct switch though. They are uncertain of how many times they’ll “die” if that makes sense. Because the way I saw it, they can’t die but it doesn’t mean their infinite life won’t make them go crazy and they’ll try and to kill themselves over and over.
Not Immortality but like 200 years chilling with your loved ones and friends on a hill side and then die when ready. That'd be cool. And you can always hangout with friends.
It would all go by fast. 200 years would feel like nothing, the older you get the faster your perception of time becomes. Living doesn’t exist without death, and death doesn’t doesn’t exits without living When one is missing the one that remains becomes opaque.
@@Teajonmustard To the contrary, death erases what is alive and can be comparable to losing a hard drive. Once it is lost, the data is simply gone, lost, done with. We get the faint traces that something was once alive, such as in fossil records of species once alive millions or billions of years ago, but these are only signs of something that once was, and know there's certainly plenty more that left no traces. These extinct species we have no memory of, they are nothing to us, as there is nothing to even say about them. And so it will be the same for all things that die, complete silence.
That hit different especially that last quote the son said “I don’t know i still have some thinking I need to do. I have all the time in the world to decide” 😌
Being immortal and having the chance to decide if you wanna be mortal is far better than being mortal and having to decide if you wanna be immortal. With the first you can actively decide when your end is / when your end can be decided by the world. With the other you only have the options of being immortal forever or dieing before you activate it.
I like how there's no ultimate conclusion, only people finding options. I don't think you could figure out how an immortal being (especially after eons) would think more than how an amoeba could figure out how a human thinks. I personally think immortal people could find meanings (plural) in life we couldn't even begin to imagine as we are today.
No this assumption is just stupid. Give a tiger or a bear Immortality and after 100k-200k year they would still be the same animal a little smarter from all past experiences but they wouldn’t turn to gods or anything they just be the same animal
@@cantu7614 I don't know man. Maybe they'd evolve or something. We can't really say for sure until it happens as the main comment suggests in the first place. Humans are not all-knowing after all. Let's say an immortal animal is trapped within a box and there's nothing else there. There's nothing for that animal to influence it and shape it's being. Perhaps nothing would happen to it after eons. The gist is that living beings, including but not limited to humans, are influenced by their environment and all sorts of things. You won't be able to predict everything that happens and could happen in the scope of infinite possibilities. Maybe that lion would develop some sort of a bigger brain or something.
The grass is always greener on the other side. But it's just perspective, you can't see the grass in your lawn because you're looking straight down at the blades. But all you see across the way is green.
@@MRxPOTATO Well, according to the Buddha, we exist physically because we cannot stop doing so and are reborn again and again xD Attaining NIrvana is hard, but likely worth it
@@chillaf3522 Maybe, I cannot tell. Bu the Buddha might answer that "everything that is subject to change is also subject to decay and suffering" - that likely also includes digital minds xD
@Thanatos hey thanks for the thought, I appreciate that. I have had a pretty decent life. Not without suffering and hardship as that's to be expected, but much of that suffering has led to more than my fair share of fortune in life. That said, if you haven't, do consider reading the short story 'I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream' by Harlan Ellison. Ellison presents the same thought experiment... eternal life and forbidden death by way of technology, and it really is an actual nightmare. Eternal life is no guarantee that your life would be a happy and fulfilling experience as is presented in this video. The suffering and anguish you feel right now, even the temporary kind that still weighs on your "soul", can become ever lasting... and that is a kind of suffering I cannot imagine.
@@michaelw6277 what I am about to say is in no way meant to sway your opinion. My only desire is to participate in this conversation and have meaningful and peaceful discussion. With that being said, while yes, suffering can weigh down on the soul, I personally believe that we can learn to evolve with it in healthy ways. Essentially, as technology becomes more advanced, we can find ways to use it so we can be happier and more satisfied in life, and to experience less pain and suffering in the process. This would involve many societal, political and social changes, but in an immortal life, we'd all have the time and ability to contemplate it. No one thing on its own is capable of guaranteeing happiness. But what can is how we use and implement it, and that in my opinion is what truly matters. You feel that you may experience great suffering now, but maybe you'd think differently if you were using that technology. No one on this planet has lived long enough to know for sure, and philosophical arguments can be made either way. The only way to know is to be immortal, or at least to choose when you die
When you put it that way, immortality is basically living hell, and being a slave to someone, or a slave to yourself for eternity. I'd guess that when you uploaded your mind, that mind would be nothing but a clone of yours, not your actually mind. So when you died, you would still die anyways. Humans would go extinct at that point, and what's left of us would become machines, with our Intellect.
I mean, lets say that you can actually transfer your mind to the computer. What is your value then? When you upload your mind you become one with technology and our minds are probably just a drop of water in a sea of knowledge. What makes us distinct from anyone when everyone knows everything?
I mean if you spend all eternity being depressed and hating yourself. It will be awful. At some point you’ll be angry or sad. But that’s simply life. It’s not about being happy. It’s about being content with being alive. Immortality won’t change that. Death also isn’t what gives life meaning. It’s an aspect of life. However, if people want to die. Or remain mortal I feel it should be allowed. But a life with no end is literally unable to be understood by us because no one has ever been immortal. So we can’t really understand the psychology of someone in that state.
The best way to spend eternity is just recording your descendents its like watching a a tree you planted grow and planting more slowly becoming a forest
I think immortality would be fine. As long as it isn't a flat switch you flip, making you invincible until the end of time. If you could decide when to go out, then I think it'd be fine. A lot of immortality scenarios seem to follow the idea of infinity. It's a decision you make, then you're screwed. What stops someone from "Deleting" themselves or choosing the day they die, though?
I'm also a little biased by the idea of having a body I could easily fix/being a digital consciousness incapable of feeling pain. I have a chronic illness, and I am always in pain.
Now We Christians will be living forever with other like minded Christians in Heaven with Jesus. Too bad you unbelievers will be tossed into the fiery furnace to be tormented forever. (sarcasm)
There is a clear difference between these two. One is a choice, the other is not. (To clarify: The father doesn't have the time to think as death comes ever closer by the day. The son, however, has all of eternity to decide if he wants to cease to exist.) Personally however, I believe that immortality is the ideal option. Especially in the virtual sense. I don't believe in this theory that one would get bored of life. But if one does that feel way, they could at least choose to live a simulated life similar to that of reincarnation. Perhaps even with no prior knowledge until their end in that simulated world, only to return to their original self. Perhaps that's what we're all already doing. Perhaps it doesn't matter. Why not just live life day by day?
Watch the same movie everyday, and tell me you wouldn't get bored of it. That's what life would become. Even with new experiences being created you'd eventually have so many past experiences they'd be comparable to such an extent in the sense of sensation that it all becomes redundant. Before you even got to that point you'd most likely already have become so desperate for new experiences, emotions, and sensations that you've gone mad. Eventually you'd lose all that made you human in those pursuits. Especially without memories fading, every time you bit an apple itd be just the same as before. Everytime you watched the sun rise, it'd be just the same as before, everytime you heard a song it'd be just the same as before. No renewal of the sensation, no more nostalgia, probably lose all motivation to experience those experiences again because they'd still be fresh in your mind as the moment they happened. Even watching civilization rise, evolve, or fall over the infinite number of years it'd all become the same redundant pattern. Perhaps you'd find solice in occasionally just erasing your memories, eventually you wouldn't even be you anymore though, it'd be the equivalent of you being dead and gone anyways. Or perhaps you could decide to just erase those emotions that make you feel that way, would you even really be a conscious thinking being at that point though, have any ability to truly rationalize anything? Doubt it. Personally I think it'd be cool to extend life for a time, but even as it stands there are many things I'm already tired of. I imagine by the end of eternity I'd have already faded away mentally.
@@thomcole187 Idk about you, but I'd much prefer that over ceasing to exist entirely. Also, it's not like our memories are that great. While I don't think we truly forget most things, I also don't think we remember things properly either. You can watch a movie many times and still enjoy it. But life is closer to a game, which can last far longer. Especially when you can keep adding new content. You assume that you'll eventually experience everything you possibly can. While that might technically be possible at some point, how much of that will you remember by then? If you redid everything, I doubt you'd remember most of it fluently or be bothered much by it. But again, I think the most important part is the absence of death.
I disagree death give life meaning not only the sense of urgency but the ability to look back on life in you final moments and say you did well and lived a fulfilling life. If you were immortal you would get everything you wanted which would make life feel hollow purposeless and boring i personally would prefer death but everyone can make their own decisions there is no singular meaning of life its what you make it
I honestly don’t know what I’d pick. This video was very informative in a weird way, gave a new perspective. I dont really know if I’m okay with dying or not. But at the same time I don’t feel any urgency to actually do anything even though my time is short. Maybe normalizing the ideology that you can live without worrying about time would be a good step in mental health for some people. The idea that you don’t have to strive to be great right now. You can take your steps and decided what you really want at whatever age because dying does and doesn’t matter. Maybe some of those who are told they are depressed are really just lonely because they feel like their ideology doesn’t match up with what’s right or how you should think based on everyone else. But I also have no clue really. I don’t have any formal education on any of this stuff.
I wish people could choose when they die though or at least die without pain. This way people could live as long as they want to and die when they choose to. It's like you have the ability to live forever, but you can choose to end your life like flipping a switch if you've decided that you don't want to live anymore.
I feel though with this technology, should it ever come to fruition, would destroy the respect we have for the sanctity of life. there will always be someone to care about you, someone who doesn't want you to die. And to some extent, with that knowledge, it will always be depressing when someone dies, which is a hilarious proval of mother natures laws that people should be born, live, and die.
Now THIS is a brilliant and important addition to the topic. I've long felt that both sides of the discussion were missing something important by being unwilling to consider both viewpoints. I too have thought that the span of one's life is not necessarily attached to its meaning. After all, even if you live for all of time... your actions still have meaning to them. Were a mortal being to do those things they would have just as much meaning to them. It is only internally that there is a difference. Ascribed meaning, meaning that we have given to said action that doesn't necessarily have any real physical attachment. Being mortal, we attach importance to a lot more things that we're even aware, some that aren't truly important, other things that are. To an immortal, things that might be important to a shorter lifespan might feel routine, normal. The event itself hasn't changed, but our perspective.
Dying will always seem scary. But as Exurbia once said, sleep is just death rehearsal. The unknown nothingness of death is the same as that of sleep; not scary, not hollow, just nothing. It doesn’t exist. You‘ll never actually experience death, just the sleepiness of fading into it. This last bit isn’t related to the comment but for anyone interested I make a lot of music here - instrumentals and songs of different types. So check it out if you’re into that.
Exactly, people that want inmoratility are oblivious that life eventually its Suffering,Pain,Emotional Distress and torture. If you are inmortal, you will wish to die eventually. Some people don´t need immortality to want to go out, you don´t need more than 100 years to know that life its not worth it.
People who say that life is meaningless without things such as limitations and death, don’t understand what gives things meaning. It is consciousness that gives things meaning, anything else is unnecessary for meaning.
The worst thing about being immortal is seeing everything and everyone you love go away and you feel like you're at the point where you want to die but then you realize you can't.
@thanatos214 once or twice...but overtime you will grow numb and no 1 will really mean anything to you anymore...so are you really happy? first things are special for a reason
@thanatos214 if that works for you great and it's an interesting way to view life. I don't share the views but I can say it's a positive outlook on life. From my observations in many elders in my family, my dad included, they miss their relatives and friends a lot. I am not that old but I moved countries recently and I realized how lonely and difficult it is. I am even left wondering if a better pay was worth it
@Blackout This makes a lot of sense actually. We are all completely alone anyway. You can be surrounded by people, but at the end of the day, none of them can come even close to understanding your perspective.
If we were to be “immortal” does this mean we wouldn’t die from old age? Would we even age or would everyone look like they were in their 20s? Also in this concept, does immortality equal invincibility, or can we still die from something like a gunshot?
There's nothing awful with living forever. Imagine that I'm immoral in sense that I can neither be damaged in any way nor by aging. It would be a complete life changer I would no longer require basically anything to survive, for a short period of time I would probably experience what the true freedom means and be able to do whatever I want in life. Surely, I wouldn't be able to stand up as a superhero or anything like that because that would reveal I can't die and potentially make me a lab rat. At some point however after having exhausted all the things life has to offer, I'm sure I'll probably eventually become bored of being alive, since I don't have friends nor did I ever had a girlfriend. As mere mortals our chances are limited at everything, love life, job, business etc. Immortality could potentially give an infinite amount of attempts. In my opinion being immoral for just enough time to experience life without limitations such as the need to eat, the need to drink water will allow us to live life at the fullest potential and experience everything it has to offer, it would be the most ideal, once you have experienced everything... you rest for all eternity. Immortality for eternity on the other hand would kill a person from the inside. It would make the person go completely insane, not to mention watching your loved ones die in front of your very eyes is one of the hardest feelings to bear and usually ends up damaging mental health severely.
Good points, the good news is that "immortality for eternity" is probably impossible for one thing (the universe will end some day) and also much less likely than the immortality you describe
That kind of immortality is physically impossible but even if science becomes able to mimic that which you speak of living forever unable to be hurt or age would become tiresome even if you think it wouldn't doing the same thing over and over and over always becomes boring and so you'll reach a point in your immortality that you don't want to live anymore you will feel complete appathy and will consume emotion like a sponge bounded to be dry again
@@asdfasdfasdf1218 because they want to kid themselves that something they think they can't have wouldn't be desirable anyway, that's not totally irrational in of itself, but if it is if it that thing does happen to be at least partially possible within your lifetime
isn't that contradictory though? you mentioned that living forever would be awful, but being immortal for just long enough to experience life without limitations would be the most ideal?
"I have all the time in the world to decide" - Thats the choice a lot of scientists are trying to give humans right now. Curing aging has come a long way and a lot of people are starting to realise they might already be among the first biological immortal generation. Really interesting stuff right there. If you want to learn more about recent achievements you should listen to some podcasts with David Sinclair or read his book: Lifespan - Why we age and why we dont have to.
@Idk ___ I do believe someone has already achieved the endless youth somewhere in this world hiding, I have read many cases where a living organism cannot die of age. Try to google HeLa Cells. There's also specie of jellyfish that doesnt age. Tardigrades are also creatures that cannot die
@Idk ___ So long as we remain in biological bodies there is of course a chance that you'll be hit by a car and die anyway but there is a very good probability that we will be the first generation to eradicate aging. (By Aubrey de Grey's estimates, 50% chance of longevity escape velocity in the next 20 years).
As Ray Kurzweil said, I don't have to live forever, but ask me each day if I want to live to the next one, and I'll say yes each time. Personally, I don't even like mentioning the word "forever', but I am all for radical life extension. It just seems like a natural progression from our current standpoint. We already live in a situation where we produce more content then an individual can ever digest, and we know of things that we can never experience. Very frustrating and not fulfilling at all.
I'm one who definitely feels like living forever would be a curse. There are two ways I feel about this, if I'm the only one who gets to live forever, the grief of watching all my loved ones pass on as I live forever would overtake me and curse life forever. If everyone gets to live forever, I would think it would be better to have the older folk step down from every position of power. I don't want anyone who's even around 100yo spreading their potentially antiquated ideas and halting progress. The world is to be inherited by those who will come after us, it is not our place to dictate its course forever. It's either I end up hating myself for an eternity or the 1st immortal generation potentially halting human progress for the next century or so and repeating cyclically. I'd prefer neither.
Dude stfu will such fearful fatalistic rubbish. How reductionist. Who are you to reduce anyone to such a stereotype? Plenty of people lose (all) the loved ones they had in their early life before their deathday, yet go on living and loving anew, so much so that they are still surrounded by (new) loved ones at their end. Love isnt some sorting hat from freakin harry potter - it is not decreed these are the people you will love, the only people you will love, and you will never be able to change that. And as much as I love an "ok boomer" meme as much as the next guy, you are reducing an age bracket to " The elderly generation? _They_ think or act like this." Thats out of order. Would you say "Black people are like this or that"? I trust not! The scientific evidence shows we are much more adaptable, capable of learning, changing our minds and generally less set in our ways as we age than we have been indoctrined into believing. Perhaps age should have a premium attached to it: those who have lived longer have the benefit of learning from their past painful mistakes and be less likely to repeat them. Would someone who had witnessed the calice horrors of 19th century Laissez-faire market economics abide its relabelling as neoliberalism? Would somone who witnessed the rise of the Nazis and the genocide of the Jews be complicit in the rise of the alt right fascism in eastern europe today? On balance, im sceptical any half way decent person, properly informed, would. Age and experience can help give insight and empathy that we might lack in youth. And anyway! If the old people were still active citizens in society, if they were to live through it, if they had more of a stake in their countries future, if they suffered through 40 years of socio-economic stagnation under neoliberalism, or chocked on the effects of climate change for themselves, maybe they would be more incentivised to get off their asses and do something about it before the world truly burns! 😂 I dont wish to project, but I perceive your critiques as being misplaced?
Some people (e.g. dictators) would definitely use this technology to remain in power indefinitely which would be bad news for most of us. Also it takes new generations for culture and attitudes to change. If we only had the same individuals living forever with their same attitudes and biases, things would stagnate.
In the second scenario people would still have babies and some new laws to adapt to the 1st immortal generation would come about. While it seems like a bad idea, imagine a society where many are wise and get to do what they want, where billions of people dont die every few years because they have no choice. Then imagine our society where we entrust and hope the future just works out for our kids, and then all dying out. Neither are flawless, and while they aren't set in stone, as long as humans are alive, immortality in some form will probably happen no matter your preferences.
@@kayskreed Your scenario is basically what I'm not looking forward to when life extension technology comes around. Unless immortality is given universally, I don't doubt the disproportionate distribution and use of such technology. The powerful will definitely get the technology first, of that I am convinced.
“The mind is its own place and, in itself can make a heaven of hell or a hell of heaven.” - John Milton. As someone with a terminal illness, and was trapped inside my own mind after having several seizures on the 22nd of June, I FINALLY understand that quote. I needed to live in a hell of my own creation, in order to see that I was living in a heaven this entire time. I was stuck in a loop for several days, which seemingly felt like an eternity. When I finally let go, forgave myself, and accepted my fate, the loops finally ended. I woke you with a breathing tube down my throat, so grateful to be alive. If anyone is reading this and you're miserable, know that you don't deserve the depression, the PTSD, the anxiety, the self-loathing. You can create and deserve your heaven. You may have to endure a bit more hell on your journey towards your own heaven, but don't doubt for a second that you have all of the power in the universe to do so.
Very true. I sometimes find the way to heaven but on the way up I stumble and fall down to hell again. Its not easy as you say and it takes time. One day I will find the right way.
i think the questions that matter immortality the most are these ones: do you think all the good things in the world would become more valuable if you were to die tomorrow ? and it's that a good attitude to have and would you rather 100% of deaths be suicide because of people choosing to die,or would you prefer 1.7% of deaths being suicides and 98.3 being people dying against their will?
i think even just saying you're choosing to die is a privilege if you only die when you kill yourself, because as a christian im not even allowed to do that. i could live to see the day that f*** becomes something not in the swear library and could say it religiously. seriously, it wont suck
Same thing. If there is an afterlife and its forever, why rush there. If nothingness follows after death then I should make the best out of the time I got. If I get reborn, then I should spend my life the best I can because as far as I know I might have to repeat living forever
Fuck yeah, man. Agreed lol. But if life wasn't shit like it is, living forever would be fine. I mean, I never get tired of eating and drinking, no matter how many times I've done it in the past. It's just a matter of mental programing.
@@Felipe-zl1rj true. It’s not that life is bad objectively as much as it is typically unpleasant for us. I could imagine an existence where I enjoy the life I have far more than I do now, but I would have to be a different creature lol
There's more than a binary answer to this question. I may not want to live forever, but I'd like the option to check out when I want to, not when a critical biological malfunction occurs. Also what about people who die when they're young or very young? They deserve another chance at a long life, to watch their children grow up.
Depends on perspective. Not all of us are just going to get tired of life, or weak enough that deaths of loved ones will make us falter. I'd love to live forever if it means I can keep trying new things as the era changes, meet new people, watch how the world ultimately destroys itself.
I'd say it depends on the conditions that you'd live the rest of eternity. An eternity of servitude in a soul-draining job whilst your body is ravaged by sickness and age would be its own sort of hell. But eternity with someone you like, not bound by responsability or pain sounds like a paradise.
There is a difference between living forever and uploading your consciousness to a digital database. When you upload your consciousness to a digital database, nothing changes for you; you still die. Your ideas live on in a synthetic amalgamation of computer and organic biology. Immortality on the other hand is authentically living for as long as time; understanding and experiencing all of the things that go into being alive.
In both cases, it'll be pointless. After everything is done, there'll be nothing new because us, as humans, we always feel the need to want more. Let's go with video games as an example, how many times did u get that fake dopamine with video games and then it faded away a couple weeks later? It'll be the same with immortality but just with life experiences.
@@jeyzyyt6279 how many people play the exact same video game for years of their lives, and who watches the same episodes? That's not a fake hit. Plenty of people are satisfied. There's just a different level for each person. Some have bigger thresholds than others
Humans only live for a hundred years, it is as unreal as a dream that ends in an instant. What is the point of a person living in this world? No more than just being on a journey, and witnessing interesting things. Although I do not want to die, I do not fear death. I am already on my right path, I have no regrets even if I die.
The point of living its to be a tool for nature to go on. you reproduce and you go. you are part of a bigger organism and your job its to continue the cycle. like a cell in a body, we are just that. The brain got too egotistical and thinks that we are more than that, reality its that we aren´t. Suffering,pain,wonder and happiness are all deceiving feelings that nature give us so we do as it commands. thats why being social, reproduce and eat feel good. Thats why we only are here for a number of years, we are not supposed to be here longer than that, we are not independent, we are just part of nature, and we are expendable.
Life is like one big road. The everyday things we do are traffic lights, the people we meet are other cars, and sleeping is pouring petrol. The point of getting on the road is to reach your destination, right? So, in my opinion, death is our destination, morbid as it sounds.
*The fear of death, makes humans make the most out of their lives, they make their lives worth it, for what ever period they live on earth* -Enoch kalimbwe
i feel more alligned with the other belief that humans seek immortality through any means possible including glory honor or documents through history we dont get meaning from death we get meaning through running away from death. but i still do think your philosophy is quite great.
This Enoch dude got shit scared at the prospect of dying and losing everything he ever loved and cared for, so came up with a quote to try to justify death to himself.
Ohhh boi, here we go again. Death does not gives life meaning because it gives you the perception that you have to make the most out of the time before you die. Death pressures you into it, what gives your life meaning is what you value. You don't become lazy because you know the fact that you're not going to die, what surrounds you will still die and be gone. Here is a bit of confusing part of how immortality works, is it your consciousness? your body? as long as you're considered to be not clinically dead? because that will be a mess to just float into space wondering aimlessly. But what if you persevere and help humanity evolve and be able to travel in space so fast, efficient, and safe. Guide humanity to colonize different planets that were thought impossible to reach before. The way we think of death as a normal part of our lives to hide the horror it will cause. We are afraid and helpless(so we think) so we hide it, sometimes we'd think the best way to die is in our sleep where we don't notice it, and if it ever did happen then we will never know. The person that is you is now gone, unable to experience anything, unable to have meaning.
The moral of the story; is that there isn't one, everyone has different ambitions goals and outlooks on life, we've all come from different surroundings, experiences and places to create our own perception. In another sense life is what meaning you give it, it's not about whose wrong or right or the better option, it's what you create for it and yourself which gives it purpose, it's what you create in your own world which gives it meaning.
Obviously it's a bit of a fetch saying this is kind of the soul purpose of the video, this is just how it resignated with me and what I thought of it. This is just what I took from what he was saying since there wasn't generally a main moral to the story.
Humans are curious beings: they do not ask to be born; they do not know how to live; and they do not want to die.
Exactly!
Wow what a sentence
I wish I wasn't born tbh...but it's a gift of living but its can be hard depending on your environment, privileges..........sometimes I want to die ...see what is in the other sides...we didnt have choices to lives and still doest have a choice to die.
@@JessicabelliciMa1 The "other side" is back from whence you came: Nonexistence.
You did not exist before you came to be, and you will return to non-existence one day relatively soon, compared to the eternity that you did not exist for, and will not exist for.
So all you have is now. There is nothing else.
It’s by design to enslave, imprison, and control us.
It's not about living literally forever, it's about living as long as you want until you're ready to go. The randomness and lack of choice is what makes it s***.
Fucking exactly. I think I will for sure be trully ready to die by 60. I just my youth till then
Why is everyone hating on immortality is it due to some religious bullshit?
Or cope due to not being able to live forever
@@NeostormXLMAX
Well if you're "biologically immortal" - which means you live forever without aging, but can still die from diseases (not sure about this) and injuries, all your friends, loves, and families will gradually die away and that's fucking sad. (not applied to all people)
Second, if you're "true immortal" - which means you're fucking invincible and nothing could kill you, you'll spend the rest of your eternal life floating in space when the universe ended or humanity went extinct.
@@NeostormXLMAX It's not due to anything religious. I do truly think that any meaningful afterlife would still be a state of nonexistence, or bliss or pain to the point of an inability to do anything else than recognize it. But I have always managed to maintain things I wanted to experience, things that my being now enjoys to justify its own existence. Nothing about making a mark, I doubt everyone truly wants that knowing it will one day fade, anyways.
I just feel that at some point I will have experienced everything I wish to, and am able to, experience. And once you've drained all the enjoyment and meaning out of the world, looking for more becomes tiresome, and leads to a sad, unfulfilling existence. I do not want to live forever because I know that one day I will run out of things to see. I will have heard the last good joke, I will have seen the last beautiful waterfall, I will have no more surprises to keep me on my toes. Nothing to do and nothing to happen to me to break it. But right now, I have those things to do and look forwards to.
I would prefer to die. Just not yet.
@@Mr-HW Immortal means nothing can kill you that’s mundane diseases,aging,random heart attack,legos etc.
Amortal means you can’t die no matter what happens to you hence invincible
Eternal youth is just staying young forever but besides that you are just like every other human
*"It is not death that a man should fear, but he should fear never beginning to live."*
- Marcus Aurelius
*Abortion*
That was in Meditations, wasn't it?
isn't that the same thing ? your unconscious when dead and unconscious while not living ? even if you live you would never know you lived
@@archimedes9819 "never begging to live" has nothing to do with consciousness
@@archimedes9819 I don't think he means it literally, more like "never shows his true potential"
I respect both viewpoints and see merit in each of them but I’m sorry. There is no way I’d choose to die if immortality was on the table. We all know that death is inescapable so we all strive to make peace with it but I honestly don’t believe that “death” is what gives life meaning. Personally I think experiences are the flavor of life so it stands to reason that infinite experiences would be an incredible ride.
I know that eventually the universe will inevitably end but my curiosity about what comes next far outweighs any reservations I would otherwise hold
Yea why commit no living when you can live
Life is gift because you birthed not someone other so i overthinked about sense of life
Stupid but nice sense came! Sense of life is to life because you can feel emotions make actions and do SOMETHING that not limited by time
This can I ask, what gives those experiences meaning?
This is a tangent, just answer the above question. Please
Do you ever procrastinate thinking that you can do it later. You can do that because you have time, so I think that if you were immortal like how these people are, then a dead line would have probably lose a lot of its meaning. It will still retain some though.
if you had infinity, any single experience is meaningless and invaluable. The fact that you have a limited amount of experiences, gives each one more meaning and value than any one out of infinity. If you had infinite money, you wouldn’t care if you spent trillions of it, cause you will always have more, you can never run out, treat each experience like a dollar, or each year, it doesn’t matter. But humans don’t work like that, after you experience something once, its gone, you can’t have the same thrill ever again, but the thrill means nothing if you can keep having it over and over, then it doesn’t feel like a thrill, it feels like something you will never run out of. That’s the beauty of life, the fact that it can be gone makes each moment, each second, all the more precious.
Expierence only has value due to our life expectancy. Knowing you have one life, a expiration date you can live your life to the fullest if there is no end you cannot fulfill. It’s like trying to fill a bottomless hole, it is impossible. Immortality would be a curse, you’d see planets die, stars collapse, universes turn to dust and everything built will be destroyed and what will be left? People floating in a void, they cannot scream nor breath and yet they do not die. You feel each inch of pain and yet you never die, you’ll feel the pain of suffocation but your throat shall never fail. Immortality would be a choice you cannot reverse without using mortality.
I may not have anything good against it but you cant have one without the other. There is no light with out darkness, no good or bad. There can't be life without death. There can't be death without life. But I respect what you think
Whenever people have these conversations, they rarely talk about the different kinds of immortality. That's kind of important.
Personally, my favorite is something like timelord regeneration, where you sort of do die, but you come back to life with a new body, and each incarnation of you has the memories of the previous ones.
Most people don’t want to admit that immortality with perfect health and Eternal youth would Rock for some reason
Not kind of important, really important.
Because immortality actually has a price you are forced to pay: knowing that while you are healthy and young forever, every person that you know and care about will die; since you are immortal you are forced to witness every act of humanity from both good and bad (evolution and warfare) and your mind may become enlightened or null knowing that things will change even though everything mentally would still be the same
@@PeaShooterAutoHunter this is a very stupid assumption you will become full of experience but your brain would stay the same its not gonna evolve. people have witness all their family die and yet their life goes on they dont become some sorda god or lose all meaning in their life. more over you would still be able to experience life with the kids of your kids and so on
@@cantu7614 that is just plainly wrong
It's ironic that the corporation is called "MayFli", because mayflies are known to have ridiculously short lifespans, only living for like a day as an adult.
Maybe they use them to test age related tech.? Since they live such short lives?
Compared to everything else in the universe we have incredibly short lifespans
@@stealthcone um no wtf. If your thinking about trees that about the only thing that lives longer than a human. Most species have an average of like 15-20 years
@@user-de6zo2vd9z he said everything else in the universe, not just the earth
@@user-de6zo2vd9z stars and planets live for a ridiculously long amount of time, he was referring to everything else in the universe so don't limit it to just living beings on planet earth
Conclusion: A person is not satisfied with anything.
Hahahaha true true
Correction: Evolution is not satisfied with anything.
Bazinga
Conclusion: There are fors and againsts for everything.
That's true
Honestly, I would choose to live forever. Even if death isn't there, every moment is still irreversible and unique.
and when your floating in space for billions of years after the death of stars and planets?
@@brezio5251 if that was the case, you would not be alive too. The conditions for immortality are that other things continue to evolve too.
The postulated Big Bang Theory doesn't support this. It is incomplete nevertheless, not accounting for Dark Matter or Dark Energy, as well as not yet having unified EWT and QCD as well as QFT with general relativity. But spiritual beliefs do support this view.
@jyothishkumar3098 youd still go crazy bro. Eternity existing isnt good anywhere
Except the meaning that those moments have would not be the same anymore and making new moments wouldn’t be the same either. Because live has meaning and the moments we make have meaning to us because those moments come to an end. The possibility of failure in life is what makes life meaning full
@@brezio5251 Eventually you'd just get used to it. When you can't die at all, other than you, nothing is ever gonna be permanent. Even insanity would eventually go away.
Death doesn't give life meaning. It's meaning that gives consolation to death.
Which in turn gives life meaning
Or simply "42"
No, not death. Life is whatever you make it to be.
@Manuel Camelo hate to destroy your dreams but you cant
@@spongebobby6027 Even WITH biological immortality, what you say is true. Most importantly, meaning is not found but created and ours to literally *imbue*. Existence IS, but only through consciousness, observation, a me and a you. Our vessel may avoid the true death, only to find the pieces it breaks into. The peaceful rest of satisfaction, accomplishment and eventually our very purpose will die. Deleted, out of reach forever again every time the ouroboros cycle renews.
If not physically then psychologically death will torture us if it is not true.
@Manuel Camelo we aren’t gods, we are mortals and we will be forever. Humans can’t achieve everything everyone has limits
I would prefer a life like the Numenoreans of Lord of the Rings. A lifespan of 200-300 years where you are young and strong 90% of the time. Then, you start feeling old but you are allowed to choose when to die.
That sounds better than not aging
Just like Kaya Kalpa yogis
But I feel like it’s more scary knowing when you will die. Death is meant to be Sudden.
@@tobeyreynolds8255 It's not exactly knowing when you will die. You feel old and weak. You can either resist death or die at your leisure.
That sounds epic
Somewhere, an immortal, wooden Jerry screams.
*screams in strangled Captain America noises*
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@@antsinmyeyesjohnson5288 that makes no sense
I was just about to reply to op with “I understood that reference” so I’m thinking that amukugo predicted that people would say that and the joke is that someone strangled captain America before he had the chance to say anything, I could be wrong though
Hahahahahaha
"Don't pity the dead harry, pity the living above all those who live without love"-dumbledore
Rowling kinda lost any deeper meaning lol
I dont know if you would read this Pursuit of Wonder, but I just really wanna thank you for these videos. I believe that just like me you have opened the minds and widened the horizon of possibilities for millions of people and bent them to critically think about philosophical concepts always at play in the background of their lives. Truly, thank you.
yea man
Yes definetly.
Well put 👏. I like you all still question everything but in my mind I find meaning in the bad and good of life its here for us to feel. Some will not agree with me and we all need to figure it out for ourselves.but these thought experiments have helped me... question... sorry for the bad writing punctuation
I always feel kinda grounded when I watch his videos. They always make me realize how insignificant it is to worry about stuff.
I wish these videos were longer!
I don’t want to live forever, I just want the option to choose when I want to die.
why tho
@@mushyomens6885 If you live forever the world known as earth will succumb to end one day and you being immortal will float around in space for billions of years with no thrive to do anything
But with the opition to choose when you die you could do all the things you want in the world then when your ready to go you can
Me: INFINITE REINCARNATION WITHOUT LOSING MY MEMORIES
(I just want to fvcking live, I don't give a fvck if i die many times.)
@@Mechafr There are a trillion planets in the galaxy, a trillion galaxies in the universe. There is always something new waiting for us over the horizon.
@@mushyomens6885 I like heaven
lol imagine being immortal and then being sent to a life sentence
sad momento
imagine them trying to send you to death row and when they try to electrocute you, you just don’t die. So you’re just like: “when can I get out?”
I life scentance isn't your whole life its usually around 30 years that's why you can get more than 1 life sentance
@@masonreay276 oh so basically that (life sentence) is roughly half of life
But if your immortal you can just escape without.. death
The parallel of both pair of Son and Father was really ingenious. Your way of telling stories has so much layer that each time I watch this video I find a new sight to the same problem.
This a possible explanation of The Holy Trinity? Religion is nonsense to me but your comment got me re-thinking my belief system.
"Dying is what gives us the will to live"
-Home Depot
oh dayum Home Depot said that?
I thought it was -Mcdonals
@@stilith2706 i thought it was Candis
@@johnross5098 c... Ca...
CANDIS WHO?
*dies * Hey no i want to live!
-Kuririn
If anything, this is the type of immortality that I wouldn't ever take, a plant has a more interesting life than this, it can experience living and dying, as well as it's growth
Yea reincarnation is much better imagine a world where people reincarnate and remember their past lives or would that be the same thing cause its weird what if you recreated another version of me and I said hey whats up it worked and in reality its not my consciousness its wow thats deep
I think the only way for this to work would be if you took someone's brain and transplanted it and had robots repair it
@@BossOfAllTrades the other best inmortality would be cellular regeneration, since our cells do not regenerate that's why we grow old and die, but that would require a loy of studies in biology more than technology
Wants can never be satisfied, you always want more.
How you gon learn the value or experience of death if you die after bruh lmao. You not gonna be able to think after 5 min of you being dead bro
@@kilimanjauri4135 yeah lol but I'd rather that than living as a robot, it's like being dead anyway, you can't experience stuff the same way
ah yes, my daily dose of existential crisis
You don't have to have a crisis if you repent from your mountain of vile sins and accept Jesus as your savior; then you will live with us judgemental sanctimonious Christians in Heaven. FOREVER (sarcasm)
@@mr.bnatural3700 don't do that
@@mr.bnatural3700 Forever?
Cringe
Haha funny crisis so quirky and original haha existential crisis haha 🤪😜
The irony being that even these immortal beings will eventually die, since the universe itself isn't immortal. There is no way to escape mortality.
True , But if the Multiverse theory is correct there is a way to travel to all of them till every single one dies.
@@KR-kb8ig Well, the universe isn't infinite, but multiverse theory says that there are infinite universes
The universe only has a time limit based on our very limited understanding of it. No one knows for certain what will happen to the universe. But if we lived long enough, we could see things play out with our own eyes.
@@daywalker________7677 Yeah, we don't know for sure what will happen, but living long enough to learn is all we can ask for.
Depends how immortal you are. If you simply just can't seem to Die then sure. If your borderline divine immortality and cannot vanish in any way like a God then you quite literally will Outlive the universe, because you are truly eternal
As a man once said "You'll live to see this world crumble to dust and blow away"
What will you have after 500 years?
@@rextheultimatepotato9209 i would still have you dad said someone invincible
@@sumitkumarjha1314 *leaves the planet and starts crying*
@@rextheultimatepotato9209 brother we shall rule as potatos
*I do love your mother but she's more of a pet to me*
Only when you are given everything do you realize the value of nothing.
That hit harder then it should have
I'm bookmarking that one in my brain
Very true. I compare it to playing against bots on recruit mode in a call of duty game. It’s just too easy To be fun
@Edrick Isstupid 30000 iq you just solved philosophy
Damn you just pulled a gojo
"Time always seems to move faster when it's running out."
*Memento Mori*
Unnus Annus
7:54
I miss Unus Annus
it gave meaning to unnas annus
Yeah ;(
the scarcity of life is what gives me anxiety and demotivates me! it's the reason i'm having an existential crisis
@JuanEnriqueFloresJrJuan, found you again
Moral of the story: Every humans have different ambitions and goals in life its just some people's goal is just beyond to our current life span of human being to fullfil and reach it in the right time
I see what you’re saying, but I got a headache trying to read it.
@@zae4557 sorry my English was not so good
I think kursegesagt put it in the best way "it's like your mom calling you to go inside when it's still noon, you don't want to play till midnight you just want to play a little longer"
How about restoring the soviet union
Agreed and that's why we shuld start developing immortality because if your immortal you have a eternaty to decide if your mortal you can't decide.
“Through our eyes, the universe is perceiving itself. Through our ears, the universe is listening to its harmonies. We are the witnesses through which the universe becomes conscious of its glory, of its magnificence.”
― Alan Watts
Poweful realization for enlightenment
Excellent!
My foreskin stinks!
In other words, you're merely like a cell, a part of a whole!!!
I don't want to live forever, but being a thousand years old will be fun. Imagine witnessing the technological advancement at that point, it will almost feel like sorcery. I want to hang around longer, and 100 is too short for any major feat to happen...
The only thing that would convince me to be immortal, is to see the discoveries science would do in thousands of years, nothing else.
I would do it witness Valve finally counting to 3
Or the progress of humanity. The progress of our solar system. The descovery of other sentient life forms outside our solar system, and so much more...
@@nibel-k1433 yeah all that beautiful shit we'll probably never get to see
@@ruspagamer7248 that's why I wish for what i wish for. That what you wish for as well.
Yea i love to explore this universe
It's easy enough to say that finality gives life meaning when your life already _has_ meaning, but not all of us are so blessed. Whether it be by the circumstances of our lives, or the constraints of our births, many of us never get the opportunity to give meaning to the lives we're forced into. For us, mortality itself is the chain that holds us back from meaning. While we are shackled by the limitations of our bodies, our minds, of time itself, we are never truly free to make of our "lives" what we wish to. Effort that ultimately ends in nothingness is the definition of meaningless, and I would outlive time itself with a smile on my face before I ever called immortality a curse.
Exactly you couldn't have explained it any better you honestly deserve an Oscar for this comment if a person is born grows up to be a successful scientist and say finds the cure for every sickness known to man compare him/her to a person that's never achieved anything no kids,job, home etc when they are dead it's the same end which is nothingness what you accomplish in life means nothing when your dead I would rather live until I'm the only living being in existence than say I rather death than immortality
love this comment
I couldn’t have said it better myself :D
I agree with you. I don’t think finality gives life meaning. We are shackled by our bodies limitations. Just think how much more can be accomplished with immortality. The only thing mankind needs to master with this gift of immortality, is pure logic. Remember, mankind is a biological and highly emotional being. With this, we have the curse of self-destruction. We need to evolve mentality in order to truly enjoy the gift of immortality. What good is immortality when many of us fall into emotional purely human traps of our lives. Example, drug addiction, alcohol abuse, emotional traps such as jealousy and rage. The question I pose to you is can mankind truly evolve into more logical, biological creatures and treat each other with respect and dignity? We actually need each other. I’d like to see not only immortality be a choice but evolving into better human beings.
Everlasting life won't give you any meaning if your own real mortal life doesn't already have meaning. Lack of time is what pushes you to accomplish and accomplishments feel fulfilling because of the amount of time it takes. This is the kind of defeatist mentality that keeps you down. Immortality won't solve your problems, but prolong them because it's YOU who truly limits yourself. I guarantee in a world where we are all immortal you will still remain average because of your stagnant mindset. And everything from plants, animals, and stars eventually die, so why should YOU deserve to live for eternity?
"You cant die even if you want to" damn that's scary
"You can't live forever even if you wanted to live" damn that's scary
Some Advanced Civilization in 6045
@@soumitrapharikal5503 nobody wants to live forever ,atleast in this world .
Hmmmmm sounds like a jojo character to me.
Whats his name again... oh yea KARS.
@@pleasebekindandcompassiona5836 Haha, I wouldn't bet on that. If you were to give me the choice of immortality over dying at 70-80 from some disease, then I would choose immortality in a heartbeat.
BUT I don't think the method presented in the video is actual immortality. Consciousness copying creates a clone of yourself, so it would not be myself truly that gets to live forever.
@@Leonhart_93 Okay
So if you live forever then, what will you do forever like won't you get bored and U won't be excited for things when you already did them many times, u'll not have new things to try too!
What will you do?
“I grabbed a pile of dust, and holding it up, foolishly asked for as many birthdays as the grains of dust, I forgot to ask that they be years of youth. ”
~Ovid; Metamorphoses
powerful
Lol
This hit me so hard
Yeah thats a big oof, gotta be specific with your requests to an all-powerful, all-granting omniscient entity
In a world where immortality is an option Roy sounds like a construct that would be created and used to keep the lesser class content that they were denied immortality. The ruling class would play it off like they are sacrificing for those denied the option and use a Roy persona to convince them they are getting the better life.
I was thinking about this.
At first I thought the ruling class wouldn't have much of a reason to keep the lower class mortal. But then again why would they do anything they're currently doing. For power.
Just like the saying that goes im not here for long time, just a good time while being 300 pounds and barley able to leave and wasting hundreds of dollars a month on lottery tickets and cigarettes.
That's how conspiracy theories are born
@@syomchi Plenty of examples in history. Look at things like the concept of Noblesse oblige.
Immortality sounds pretty good to me. Look how far we've come in the span of a few centuries. Imagine what we can accomplish in the next few thousand years. Imagine being able to bear witness to it all...
The problem here wasnt just immortality. It is that everyone got immortality. If it was just you, it would be far more meaningful.
@@rudios92 true
It's not possible anyways, people have to die off for a next generation to come. It would only be possible if the last generation is not allowed to reproduce anymore.
Imagine being able to travel among the universe in the future.
I want explore the universe if I can be immortal
No one wants to live forever though, we just want to live until we feel like we're ready to die. Who's doesn't already know living forever would suck?
Speak for yourself
The one who hasn't lived long years
@@jt-mx4on Yep
I think this is just synthetic reasoning to cope with your mortality.
Well 99% people will never be ready to die and the rest 1% are the suicidal people! Life is fundamentally a suffering. And its this suffering which makes us feel the essence of joy, happiness and all others that humans crave for. WE VALUE ONLY THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE IN SCARCITY.
Moral of the story: Some humans want to live forever, some don't.
Some doesn't even want to live at all
I want a can of beans
@@jdoriginals9223 yes
Nah no one wants to live forever, some people just haven't realized it yet
@@apzsox2144 I disagree in fact I’d say it’s the opposite
Now I know that living forever would mean losing everyone and everything I ever cared for and being condemned to be alone forever but the idea of being able to see this planet die, watch how humanity evolves, to see the sun explode, see the birth of a completely new galaxy and (if travelling through space will be an option) observe other planets and other species has and always will be my dream.
Living just long enough to see all of existence, then die. Such a blissful dream.
if everyone is immortal then it isnt sad anymore, all people will party, play games have sex all day long
same , iwant to consume every single thing ever created on a perception of my own not like an ai can do in few seconds also chilling till the end of time is pretty beautiful thought all the memories we have made in life are too valuable to lose, atleast thats what a young mind of mine thinks gotta grow up to see if this kind of thought changes and if i will be ready to accept death even at the possibility of uploading consciousness
@@neilbertmillar9960 How is that not sad? It's true that everyone will start having fun but how long will that last? It will only be a matter of time before everyone starts getting bored of life and getting depressed. Maybe it might take 100 years, maybe 1000 or maybe a million. But it will happen.
@@tatrotzz3643 I think that the argument would be that 1,000 (or 10,000, or even longer) years of depression is much, much better than an infinity’s worth of the nothingness of non-existence.
this is a whole new form of overthinking
The surest way to enjoy life is to have no unrealistic expectations, nor feel too depressed about that which you can't change. Wish it hadn't taken me 60 years to realise the obvious.
Dang, well thanks for sharing with us youngins
You can change a lot the best way to enjoy life is to avoid mistakes or situations that lead you to not enjoy it
Life is not for enjoyment, thats the mindset of stupid people, if immortality is for somebody, surely not for those people.
@@SlipperyPatterns Says who?
“.. nor feel to depressed about that which you can’t change.” Don’t you disgree with yourself then by the following or not living by it?
Nobody really wants to live forever. We just want to die when we feel like it's time. We get scared and anxious over the fact that death could just strike any minute. If we could just have the ability to control our own lifespan, then that'd be great.
I agree that a lot of people saying that they wish to be immortal might change thier mind in the long run. Personaly I would like to chose when I die myself and be healthy untill the day I do so, and I think that is what most immortality seekers also want.
@@ezdepaz4363 true but it hard to judge when is the right time ill let the universe decide
I think two other points is A) people are afraid of how they’ll die and B) what’s next
i wanna live forever why tf should i want to die
I want to live forever lol don't have a reason why i shouldn't
So is your conscious just copied or is it transferred? That’s the golden question.
@Throw Away what?
if it's an exact copy it is the same.
besides, those aren't the only two option, it can can be a gradual change instead of a copy.
@@alkeryn1700 No it's not the same, because a copy is a new continuity. Your current consciousness could perceive the new, exact copy as an entirely different entity. You would not "jump" from your existing perspective to the new one just because it is an identical recreation.
It's like starting a new fire with an existing one. You now have two fires.
@@Galkatokk it is, continuity doesn't matter.
Besides there are ways to do it whilst preserving continuity if you really cared about it.
@@alkeryn1700 lol I don’t get this at all, simply uploading your consciousness helps you none. You still die along with who you are, yes you may have a perfect copy of yourself but that copy is not you. In the end all you are really doing is grasping at the wind.
“I do not fear death itself. It’s the loss of the things that have made life worth living that I fear.”
Isn’t it amazing that we watch these videos, feel blissfully enlightened for a day and then we all fall back into our lives and all we want is financial security and job satisfaction and a loving family? Efn' Weird.
Wait... it's not normal to be ALWAYS thinking about this stuff?
@@someguy1365 yea I end up thinking about what happens after death almost everyday and just scare myself, it's not healthy
It is a very blissful change of pace, for sure
@@gonzalo6890 True; it is a change of pace.
And just for a moment... I am uplifted, and my being and consciousness touches the comos. I taste the infinite. Only to be dragged back to reality... Is there anyway to suspend this moment in time?
Immortality isn't something that I would want. I'd just like not to be so fragile. To keep my youth and strength, have good mental health, to live and be happy with less pain than I have now while I was alive. I don't want a life that doesn't end. I do want a life that feels extraordinary and wonderful. Don't we all.
So you want to die by something other than old age or natural cause? Because that’s the only way to avoid experiencing losing your youth and strength. For example dying in a car crash.
@@immanuelcurry6095 I think he would like to die just after living his whole lifespan being young till the end without old age basically 100 years of youthful life and then just pass away
@@TheWorldThatYouWishFor it sounds nice but that breaks a lot of natural laws
@@immanuelcurry6095 his whole statement revolves around breaking natural laws lol. it’s a hypothetical, something he wishes
@@TheWorldThatYouWishFor that’s such a stupid statement if he’s happy and healthy at age 99 what makes you think he won’t be like I don’t want to die I love living and experiencing the world
"death is better than living, but reincarnation is better than death"
- nerd
But if you reincarnate your alive so that doesn’t make sense
Isekai mode
@@haydenlloyd4543 you aren't you anymore when you reincarnate
That one time I got reincarnated into a slime.
@@haydenlloyd4543 its weird dude cause you wouldn't even know your alive but your are ill be honest this seems most plausible but that might be my brain trying to preserve a purpose in this world but at the same time if you die of old age you wouldn't be able to feel anything
Some people can’t even handle the length of normal life. Can’t imagine what infinite life would feel like.
"There is no truth in flesh, only betrayal.
"There is no strength in flesh, only weakness.
"There is no constancy in flesh, only decay.
"There is no certainty in flesh but death.”
There is no soul in machines, only coldness
There is no salvation in immortality, only insanity
There is meaning in death, the birth of new life
From the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me... i aspired for the certainty of steel, your kind claims your flesh as it fails you
WarHammer 40k
Typical nihilist
all hail the omnissiah
The scariest part for me is out-living my love ones which forces me to find new relationships.. Overtime it might cause loyalty issues and generally a lot of grief
People would pop in and out of existance.. 💡 Thus, relationships would be meaningless.. 😳🤔
But you have time to develop a Stoic mindset to live a better life. you will cut down grief 80% and learn to accept loss. Read Stoic of Marcus Aurelius. But I don't understand.. if you can be genetically immortal, your love ones should be too.
@@Hmongboi228- No, because time would pass at the same rate for you.
@@ratanaksenasam2879 You can’t rationalize your way out of human emotions. No matter how much stoic philosophy you read, you will still suffer greatly at the loss of a loved one
@@ratanaksenasam2879 I think not accepting grief is "STOIC".. anyone who doesn't grief is a psychopath.
“Let's suppose that you were able every night to dream any dream that you wanted to dream. And that you could, for example, have the power within one night to dream 75 years of time. Or any length of time you wanted to have. And you would, naturally as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure you could conceive. And after several nights of 75 years of total pleasure each, you would say "Well, that was pretty great." But now let's have a surprise. Let's have a dream which isn't under control. Where something is gonna happen to me that I don't know what it's going to be. And you would dig that and come out of that and say "Wow, that was a close shave, wasn't it?" And then you would get more and more adventurous, and you would make further and further out gambles as to what you would dream. And finally, you would dream ... where you are now. You would dream the dream of living the life that you are actually living today.”
― Alan Watts
Stoner thoughts lol
this is somewhat similar to the plot if inception
this should be the top comment
Well this one sucks by comparison.
Escaping the eternal existence that truly is...
Ill just launch to space, freeze, and eventually stop thinking till another civilization finds me
I really liked the Naos son’s thinking. Unlike the father in the beginning, who clearly came to terms with death and it being apart of life, the Naos son recognized the trivial thought patterns of both choices. And it wasn’t his Naos father wanting death and him wanting to live forever to continue making the world great or whatever. It was 2 generations of this new society that both have come to terms with what life can be like if there were no end to it. It was 2 generations of individuals that know there is now a killswitch. And I’m not sure if anyone else thought of it, but the Naos’s solution kinda sorta hints towards suicide. Because they can choose to die, the chip or whatever the tech is (it looked like basically a SIM card you can insert almost like a euthanization) is a suicidal means. Where as a human dying can be from practically anything other than suicide. So in a way, the Naos son must also grapple with the idea that his father is imploring him to kill himself. Which I understand the parallel with the storyline, but it’s scary to think that humanity could very well get to that point and then want to effectively wipe themselves out because their immortality has taught them as a society that living forever is actually the worst. Could you imagine an entire species being so sick of life that they even implore their kids to off themselves without any thought to continuing humanity? *shutter*
woah so is that why we don't see aliens? cause they just wipe themselves out
@@shufflingutube your comment was so fucking random, I cracked up for once 😂
@theobserver what ur talking about is an actual theory called the great filter theory
Choosing whether you want to live or choose forever would actually be an amazing privilege, infinitely better than the horror of being doomed to oblivion with no control over how or when, and only being able to end yourself or wait for something to kill you.
@@spicymeatballs2thespicening In some twisted way, suicide (in my opinion) is the equivalence of the Nao’s son discussing implanting his self destruct switch though. They are uncertain of how many times they’ll “die” if that makes sense. Because the way I saw it, they can’t die but it doesn’t mean their infinite life won’t make them go crazy and they’ll try and to kill themselves over and over.
Not Immortality but like 200 years chilling with your loved ones and friends on a hill side and then die when ready. That'd be cool. And you can always hangout with friends.
It would all go by fast. 200 years would feel like nothing, the older you get the faster your perception of time becomes.
Living doesn’t exist without death, and death doesn’t doesn’t exits without living
When one is missing the one that remains becomes opaque.
When the imposter
@@sussyimposter9971 when the imposter
@@Teajonmustard To the contrary, death erases what is alive and can be comparable to losing a hard drive. Once it is lost, the data is simply gone, lost, done with. We get the faint traces that something was once alive, such as in fossil records of species once alive millions or billions of years ago, but these are only signs of something that once was, and know there's certainly plenty more that left no traces. These extinct species we have no memory of, they are nothing to us, as there is nothing to even say about them. And so it will be the same for all things that die, complete silence.
Couldn't you be ready in like 50 years instead of 200 though
“we have accepted for far too long that the ultimate imperative of life is that it must end”
Where's your pfp from? I love it.
That hit different especially that last quote the son said “I don’t know i still have some thinking I need to do. I have all the time in the world to decide” 😌
"If we could be satisfied with anything, we should have been satisfied long ago."
- Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Sussy baka
-the imposter
@losmmn loserman even if you gain everything, you will be unsatisfied eventually. However I'd rather be inmortal.
@@Gian_sas and notch situation is the best example
@@sussyimposter9971 amogus
Being immortal and having the chance to decide if you wanna be mortal is far better than being mortal and having to decide if you wanna be immortal. With the first you can actively decide when your end is / when your end can be decided by the world. With the other you only have the options of being immortal forever or dieing before you activate it.
Yes
thnx
agree
no because if you chose to be immortal eventually you could die if you choose to do so. assuming you can ofc
What complete/True Immortality without ever dying
I like how there's no ultimate conclusion, only people finding options. I don't think you could figure out how an immortal being (especially after eons) would think more than how an amoeba could figure out how a human thinks. I personally think immortal people could find meanings (plural) in life we couldn't even begin to imagine as we are today.
No this assumption is just stupid. Give a tiger or a bear Immortality and after 100k-200k year they would still be the same animal a little smarter from all past experiences but they wouldn’t turn to gods or anything they just be the same animal
@@cantu7614 I don't know man. Maybe they'd evolve or something. We can't really say for sure until it happens as the main comment suggests in the first place. Humans are not all-knowing after all.
Let's say an immortal animal is trapped within a box and there's nothing else there. There's nothing for that animal to influence it and shape it's being. Perhaps nothing would happen to it after eons. The gist is that living beings, including but not limited to humans, are influenced by their environment and all sorts of things. You won't be able to predict everything that happens and could happen in the scope of infinite possibilities.
Maybe that lion would develop some sort of a bigger brain or something.
The grass is always greener on the other side. But it's just perspective, you can't see the grass in your lawn because you're looking straight down at the blades. But all you see across the way is green.
The Buddha was very vocal about eternal existence being eternal suffering ;D
Then why bother to exist then? Wouldnt we just save ourselfs from all the suffering if we wouldnt existed in the first place, or is Nirvana worth it?
But may be digital minds are in a different realm the buddha didn't consider.
The possibilites for adjustment will probably be a lot in the future.
@@MRxPOTATO Well, according to the Buddha, we exist physically because we cannot stop doing so and are reborn again and again xD Attaining NIrvana is hard, but likely worth it
@@chillaf3522 Maybe, I cannot tell. Bu the Buddha might answer that "everything that is subject to change is also subject to decay and suffering" - that likely also includes digital minds xD
So if God exists, he's suffering eternally?
It's not easy when it's hard."
- Literally everyone
U wrote two comments and u get a lot of likes wow...
The floor here is made out of floor ( no hate that was a joke)
It 's not in when it's outside
Genius
@Clarissa Ramirez huh😳
Green tea is green.. Why? Sky is not sky.. Sky is blue. Why does green tea have to be green? ( jk)
No one wants to live forever, but no one wants to die; the hypocrisy of it all...
I want to live forever, if you don't want to go ahead and die idc. 😂😂😂
As long as death is peaceful and without pain, many would choose death, myself included. Some choose it early anyway.
I'm gonna make it to heaven
Light up the sky like a flame
I'm gonna live forever
Baby, remember my name
@@ZXNTV why? Do you fear death?
@@reddykilowatt yucky
I remember being young and wishing I could live forever, these days my soul is grateful that it doesn’t have to.
@Thanatos hey thanks for the thought, I appreciate that. I have had a pretty decent life. Not without suffering and hardship as that's to be expected, but much of that suffering has led to more than my fair share of fortune in life.
That said, if you haven't, do consider reading the short story 'I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream' by Harlan Ellison. Ellison presents the same thought experiment... eternal life and forbidden death by way of technology, and it really is an actual nightmare.
Eternal life is no guarantee that your life would be a happy and fulfilling experience as is presented in this video. The suffering and anguish you feel right now, even the temporary kind that still weighs on your "soul", can become ever lasting... and that is a kind of suffering I cannot imagine.
@@michaelw6277 what I am about to say is in no way meant to sway your opinion. My only desire is to participate in this conversation and have meaningful and peaceful discussion. With that being said, while yes, suffering can weigh down on the soul, I personally believe that we can learn to evolve with it in healthy ways. Essentially, as technology becomes more advanced, we can find ways to use it so we can be happier and more satisfied in life, and to experience less pain and suffering in the process. This would involve many societal, political and social changes, but in an immortal life, we'd all have the time and ability to contemplate it. No one thing on its own is capable of guaranteeing happiness. But what can is how we use and implement it, and that in my opinion is what truly matters. You feel that you may experience great suffering now, but maybe you'd think differently if you were using that technology. No one on this planet has lived long enough to know for sure, and philosophical arguments can be made either way. The only way to know is to be immortal, or at least to choose when you die
When you put it that way, immortality is basically living hell, and being a slave to someone, or a slave to yourself for eternity. I'd guess that when you uploaded your mind, that mind would be nothing but a clone of yours, not your actually mind. So when you died, you would still die anyways. Humans would go extinct at that point, and what's left of us would become machines, with our Intellect.
I mean, lets say that you can actually transfer your mind to the computer. What is your value then? When you upload your mind you become one with technology and our minds are probably just a drop of water in a sea of knowledge. What makes us distinct from anyone when everyone knows everything?
I've wondered this.
Man sounds like the game NieR Replicant/Automata basically about this.
A digital fossil if you will.
But would you feel any different?
Clone or original you would feel like an original.
I mean if you spend all eternity being depressed and hating yourself. It will be awful. At some point you’ll be angry or sad. But that’s simply life. It’s not about being happy. It’s about being content with being alive. Immortality won’t change that. Death also isn’t what gives life meaning. It’s an aspect of life. However, if people want to die. Or remain mortal I feel it should be allowed. But a life with no end is literally unable to be understood by us because no one has ever been immortal. So we can’t really understand the psychology of someone in that state.
“Immortality is even worse than death itself” -Dr.Stone
I’ll just live to be 504,373,749,000,000,000 years old then.
That’s a hell of a lot less than immortality but certainly long enough for me!
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Immortality is bad after a google years..
I see u're a man of culture as well
@@_BobaFett_ you'd get bored after a thousand years...
Still waiting for the new season
The best way to spend eternity is just recording your descendents its like watching a a tree you planted grow and planting more slowly becoming a forest
I think immortality would be fine. As long as it isn't a flat switch you flip, making you invincible until the end of time.
If you could decide when to go out, then I think it'd be fine.
A lot of immortality scenarios seem to follow the idea of infinity. It's a decision you make, then you're screwed.
What stops someone from "Deleting" themselves or choosing the day they die, though?
I'm also a little biased by the idea of having a body I could easily fix/being a digital consciousness incapable of feeling pain. I have a chronic illness, and I am always in pain.
If you can decide to die then you aren't immortal lol. Immortal means you can't die.
Now We Christians will be living forever with other like minded Christians in Heaven with Jesus.
Too bad you unbelievers will be tossed into the fiery furnace to be tormented forever. (sarcasm)
@@mr.bnatural3700 now now don't go out condoning people u haven't even met as if your the judge, you yourself may end up there.
This. Well said.
You can just transfer your soul to different bodies like my boy Charles lee ray
best comment ever
Chucky got lucky
Like Orochimaru
Someone explain the joke to me I'm drunk but I think I recognize the name thank you
@@velocitypeasant5832 child’s play, the horror movie series where a doll is inhabited by a serial killer.
There is a clear difference between these two. One is a choice, the other is not.
(To clarify: The father doesn't have the time to think as death comes ever closer by the day. The son, however, has all of eternity to decide if he wants to cease to exist.)
Personally however, I believe that immortality is the ideal option. Especially in the virtual sense. I don't believe in this theory that one would get bored of life. But if one does that feel way, they could at least choose to live a simulated life similar to that of reincarnation. Perhaps even with no prior knowledge until their end in that simulated world, only to return to their original self. Perhaps that's what we're all already doing. Perhaps it doesn't matter. Why not just live life day by day?
Watch the same movie everyday, and tell me you wouldn't get bored of it. That's what life would become. Even with new experiences being created you'd eventually have so many past experiences they'd be comparable to such an extent in the sense of sensation that it all becomes redundant. Before you even got to that point you'd most likely already have become so desperate for new experiences, emotions, and sensations that you've gone mad. Eventually you'd lose all that made you human in those pursuits. Especially without memories fading, every time you bit an apple itd be just the same as before. Everytime you watched the sun rise, it'd be just the same as before, everytime you heard a song it'd be just the same as before. No renewal of the sensation, no more nostalgia, probably lose all motivation to experience those experiences again because they'd still be fresh in your mind as the moment they happened. Even watching civilization rise, evolve, or fall over the infinite number of years it'd all become the same redundant pattern. Perhaps you'd find solice in occasionally just erasing your memories, eventually you wouldn't even be you anymore though, it'd be the equivalent of you being dead and gone anyways. Or perhaps you could decide to just erase those emotions that make you feel that way, would you even really be a conscious thinking being at that point though, have any ability to truly rationalize anything? Doubt it. Personally I think it'd be cool to extend life for a time, but even as it stands there are many things I'm already tired of. I imagine by the end of eternity I'd have already faded away mentally.
@@thomcole187 Idk about you, but I'd much prefer that over ceasing to exist entirely. Also, it's not like our memories are that great. While I don't think we truly forget most things, I also don't think we remember things properly either. You can watch a movie many times and still enjoy it. But life is closer to a game, which can last far longer. Especially when you can keep adding new content. You assume that you'll eventually experience everything you possibly can. While that might technically be possible at some point, how much of that will you remember by then? If you redid everything, I doubt you'd remember most of it fluently or be bothered much by it.
But again, I think the most important part is the absence of death.
@@thomcole187 nah mate me watch open season and never get bored.
I disagree death give life meaning not only the sense of urgency but the ability to look back on life in you final moments and say you did well and lived a fulfilling life. If you were immortal you would get everything you wanted which would make life feel hollow purposeless and boring i personally would prefer death but everyone can make their own decisions there is no singular meaning of life its what you make it
@@jsj3607 how are you to look back on your final moments when you don’t know when you will die?
I honestly don’t know what I’d pick. This video was very informative in a weird way, gave a new perspective.
I dont really know if I’m okay with dying or not. But at the same time I don’t feel any urgency to actually do anything even though my time is short.
Maybe normalizing the ideology that you can live without worrying about time would be a good step in mental health for some people. The idea that you don’t have to strive to be great right now. You can take your steps and decided what you really want at whatever age because dying does and doesn’t matter. Maybe some of those who are told they are depressed are really just lonely because they feel like their ideology doesn’t match up with what’s right or how you should think based on everyone else.
But I also have no clue really. I don’t have any formal education on any of this stuff.
When your loved ones die.. Believe me.. you may not commit suicide.. but you will welcome death.
I wish people could choose when they die though or at least die without pain. This way people could live as long as they want to and die when they choose to. It's like you have the ability to live forever, but you can choose to end your life like flipping a switch if you've decided that you don't want to live anymore.
I feel though with this technology, should it ever come to fruition, would destroy the respect we have for the sanctity of life. there will always be someone to care about you, someone who doesn't want you to die. And to some extent, with that knowledge, it will always be depressing when someone dies, which is a hilarious proval of mother natures laws that people should be born, live, and die.
That's called euthanasia, but only for chronic patients and not many countries allow that.
Suicidal people would instantly pick death without pain though. Nihlistic peoole would easily choose death because they believe life's meaningless.
@@chacha-dh1gj True
"Growing old and dying is what gives meaning and beauty to the fleeting span of a human life" - Kyojuro Rengoku
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@Mr. Iqbal; too sad that people cannot say quotes without being called "copied comment" anymore
I just finished mugen train today and I have been plunged into darkness
Disagree
When you dont die theres a bigger chance that you'll get stuck somewhere forever
Like kars
But eventually, you will stop thinking
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You will eventually, by chance, land somewhere else.
@@fabrypetty1689 that will possibly take millions to billions of years... have fun floating around for half a billion years
Now THIS is a brilliant and important addition to the topic. I've long felt that both sides of the discussion were missing something important by being unwilling to consider both viewpoints. I too have thought that the span of one's life is not necessarily attached to its meaning. After all, even if you live for all of time... your actions still have meaning to them. Were a mortal being to do those things they would have just as much meaning to them. It is only internally that there is a difference. Ascribed meaning, meaning that we have given to said action that doesn't necessarily have any real physical attachment. Being mortal, we attach importance to a lot more things that we're even aware, some that aren't truly important, other things that are. To an immortal, things that might be important to a shorter lifespan might feel routine, normal. The event itself hasn't changed, but our perspective.
Dying will always seem scary. But as Exurbia once said, sleep is just death rehearsal. The unknown nothingness of death is the same as that of sleep; not scary, not hollow, just nothing. It doesn’t exist. You‘ll never actually experience death, just the sleepiness of fading into it.
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Who is exurbia?
@@milosmith8275 depression turtle
@@milosmith8275 he’s a RUclipsr. Search him up he has really good stuff
@@psycheevolved1428 I searched up depression turtle and he was literally the first result I saw lmao
I wish I could reborn as a baby in other universe or someshit (but my consciousness from the previous life were erased)
“Anything that goes on forever is torture”
Exactly, people that want inmoratility are oblivious that life eventually its Suffering,Pain,Emotional Distress and torture.
If you are inmortal, you will wish to die eventually.
Some people don´t need immortality to want to go out, you don´t need more than 100 years to know that life its not worth it.
And most people think that an eternity of nothiness is torture.
How about peace?
@galaxxxi actually heaven is not torture
@@ewadfe3705 to each their own
Philosophers: "Life is meaningless without limitations! Forever is a curse!"
Minecraft: "I dis-agreeee."
People who say that life is meaningless without things such as limitations and death, don’t understand what gives things meaning. It is consciousness that gives things meaning, anything else is unnecessary for meaning.
Well if I live forever it would be easy to convince people I am a God.
I read that in Aku's voice
@@dreadedworld8864 this isn't the stone age. Government would be on your ass just for a sample of piss
@losmmn loserman not gonna lie playing minecraft forever sounds boring as fuck. I play for an hour and it becomes boating already
The worst thing about being immortal is seeing everything and everyone you love go away and you feel like you're at the point where you want to die but then you realize you can't.
That’s real life for a lot of people
@thanatos214 once or twice...but overtime you will grow numb and no 1 will really mean anything to you anymore...so are you really happy? first things are special for a reason
@thanatos214 if that works for you great and it's an interesting way to view life. I don't share the views but I can say it's a positive outlook on life.
From my observations in many elders in my family, my dad included, they miss their relatives and friends a lot. I am not that old but I moved countries recently and I realized how lonely and difficult it is. I am even left wondering if a better pay was worth it
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@Blackout This makes a lot of sense actually. We are all completely alone anyway. You can be surrounded by people, but at the end of the day, none of them can come even close to understanding your perspective.
If we were to be “immortal” does this mean we wouldn’t die from old age? Would we even age or would everyone look like they were in their 20s? Also in this concept, does immortality equal invincibility, or can we still die from something like a gunshot?
Well you obviously didn’t watch it all
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@@batchw4827 u right
It think we will go from old to looking like something old and we won’t be weak when we get old due to immortality
They become synthetic humans. Artificial bodies with human consciousness.
There's nothing awful with living forever.
Imagine that I'm immoral in sense that I can neither be damaged in any way nor by aging. It would be a complete life changer I would no longer require basically anything to survive, for a short period of time I would probably experience what the true freedom means and be able to do whatever I want in life. Surely, I wouldn't be able to stand up as a superhero or anything like that because that would reveal I can't die and potentially make me a lab rat. At some point however after having exhausted all the things life has to offer, I'm sure I'll probably eventually become bored of being alive, since I don't have friends nor did I ever had a girlfriend. As mere mortals our chances are limited at everything, love life, job, business etc. Immortality could potentially give an infinite amount of attempts.
In my opinion being immoral for just enough time to experience life without limitations such as the need to eat, the need to drink water will allow us to live life at the fullest potential and experience everything it has to offer, it would be the most ideal, once you have experienced everything... you rest for all eternity.
Immortality for eternity on the other hand would kill a person from the inside. It would make the person go completely insane, not to mention watching your loved ones die in front of your very eyes is one of the hardest feelings to bear and usually ends up damaging mental health severely.
Good points, the good news is that "immortality for eternity" is probably impossible for one thing (the universe will end some day) and also much less likely than the immortality you describe
That kind of immortality is physically impossible but even if science becomes able to mimic that which you speak of living forever unable to be hurt or age would become tiresome even if you think it wouldn't doing the same thing over and over and over always becomes boring and so you'll reach a point in your immortality that you don't want to live anymore you will feel complete appathy and will consume emotion like a sponge bounded to be dry again
It's a mystery why people even talk about this type of immortality in the first place. Perhaps people liken it to magic.
@@asdfasdfasdf1218 because they want to kid themselves that something they think they can't have wouldn't be desirable anyway, that's not totally irrational in of itself, but if it is if it that thing does happen to be at least partially possible within your lifetime
isn't that contradictory though? you mentioned that living forever would be awful, but being immortal for just long enough to experience life without limitations would be the most ideal?
"I have all the time in the world to decide" - Thats the choice a lot of scientists are trying to give humans right now. Curing aging has come a long way and a lot of people are starting to realise they might already be among the first biological immortal generation. Really interesting stuff right there. If you want to learn more about recent achievements you should listen to some podcasts with David Sinclair or read his book: Lifespan - Why we age and why we dont have to.
That is interesting but I don’t think it is coming soon and when it does it will be for only a few people. The technology won’t be available to all.
@Idk ___ I do believe someone has already achieved the endless youth somewhere in this world hiding, I have read many cases where a living organism cannot die of age. Try to google HeLa Cells. There's also specie of jellyfish that doesnt age. Tardigrades are also creatures that cannot die
@Idk ___ So long as we remain in biological bodies there is of course a chance that you'll be hit by a car and die anyway but there is a very good probability that we will be the first generation to eradicate aging. (By Aubrey de Grey's estimates, 50% chance of longevity escape velocity in the next 20 years).
As Ray Kurzweil said, I don't have to live forever, but ask me each day if I want to live to the next one, and I'll say yes each time. Personally, I don't even like mentioning the word "forever', but I am all for radical life extension. It just seems like a natural progression from our current standpoint. We already live in a situation where we produce more content then an individual can ever digest, and we know of things that we can never experience. Very frustrating and not fulfilling at all.
I'm one who definitely feels like living forever would be a curse. There are two ways I feel about this, if I'm the only one who gets to live forever, the grief of watching all my loved ones pass on as I live forever would overtake me and curse life forever. If everyone gets to live forever, I would think it would be better to have the older folk step down from every position of power. I don't want anyone who's even around 100yo spreading their potentially antiquated ideas and halting progress. The world is to be inherited by those who will come after us, it is not our place to dictate its course forever. It's either I end up hating myself for an eternity or the 1st immortal generation potentially halting human progress for the next century or so and repeating cyclically. I'd prefer neither.
you could always travel with whom you like to other planets, leave those people who hurt you if all people became immortal
Dude stfu will such fearful fatalistic rubbish. How reductionist. Who are you to reduce anyone to such a stereotype?
Plenty of people lose (all) the loved ones they had in their early life before their deathday, yet go on living and loving anew, so much so that they are still surrounded by (new) loved ones at their end. Love isnt some sorting hat from freakin harry potter - it is not decreed these are the people you will love, the only people you will love, and you will never be able to change that.
And as much as I love an "ok boomer" meme as much as the next guy, you are reducing an age bracket to " The elderly generation? _They_ think or act like this." Thats out of order. Would you say "Black people are like this or that"? I trust not!
The scientific evidence shows we are much more adaptable, capable of learning, changing our minds and generally less set in our ways as we age than we have been indoctrined into believing. Perhaps age should have a premium attached to it: those who have lived longer have the benefit of learning from their past painful mistakes and be less likely to repeat them. Would someone who had witnessed the calice horrors of 19th century Laissez-faire market economics abide its relabelling as neoliberalism? Would somone who witnessed the rise of the Nazis and the genocide of the Jews be complicit in the rise of the alt right fascism in eastern europe today? On balance, im sceptical any half way decent person, properly informed, would. Age and experience can help give insight and empathy that we might lack in youth.
And anyway! If the old people were still active citizens in society, if they were to live through it, if they had more of a stake in their countries future, if they suffered through 40 years of socio-economic stagnation under neoliberalism, or chocked on the effects of climate change for themselves, maybe they would be more incentivised to get off their asses and do something about it before the world truly burns! 😂
I dont wish to project, but I perceive your critiques as being misplaced?
Some people (e.g. dictators) would definitely use this technology to remain in power indefinitely which would be bad news for most of us. Also it takes new generations for culture and attitudes to change. If we only had the same individuals living forever with their same attitudes and biases, things would stagnate.
In the second scenario people would still have babies and some new laws to adapt to the 1st immortal generation would come about. While it seems like a bad idea, imagine a society where many are wise and get to do what they want, where billions of people dont die every few years because they have no choice. Then imagine our society where we entrust and hope the future just works out for our kids, and then all dying out. Neither are flawless, and while they aren't set in stone, as long as humans are alive, immortality in some form will probably happen no matter your preferences.
@@kayskreed Your scenario is basically what I'm not looking forward to when life extension technology comes around. Unless immortality is given universally, I don't doubt the disproportionate distribution and use of such technology. The powerful will definitely get the technology first, of that I am convinced.
“The mind is its own place and, in itself can make a heaven of hell or a hell of heaven.” - John Milton.
As someone with a terminal illness, and was trapped inside my own mind after having several seizures on the 22nd of June, I FINALLY understand that quote. I needed to live in a hell of my own creation, in order to see that I was living in a heaven this entire time.
I was stuck in a loop for several days, which seemingly felt like an eternity. When I finally let go, forgave myself, and accepted my fate, the loops finally ended.
I woke you with a breathing tube down my throat, so grateful to be alive. If anyone is reading this and you're miserable, know that you don't deserve the depression, the PTSD, the anxiety, the self-loathing. You can create and deserve your heaven.
You may have to endure a bit more hell on your journey towards your own heaven, but don't doubt for a second that you have all of the power in the universe to do so.
You're awesome
Very true. I sometimes find the way to heaven but on the way up I stumble and fall down to hell again. Its not easy as you say and it takes time. One day I will find the right way.
i think the questions that matter immortality the most are these ones:
do you think all the good things in the world would become more valuable if you were to die tomorrow ? and it's that a good attitude to have
and would you rather 100% of deaths be suicide because of people choosing to die,or would you prefer 1.7% of deaths being suicides and 98.3 being people dying against their will?
Having the choice of eternity or death is better than not having the choice.
i think even just saying you're choosing to die is a privilege if you only die when you kill yourself, because as a christian im not even allowed to do that. i could live to see the day that f*** becomes something not in the swear library and could say it religiously. seriously, it wont suck
Amazing story! I was thinking Memento Mori through it all. When you played turncoat, I started to tear up. Keep up the amazing work!
Lol my death is actually the only thing keeping me going. I figure I’ll be dead forever. So why rush it?
I hear you.
Same thing. If there is an afterlife and its forever, why rush there. If nothingness follows after death then I should make the best out of the time I got. If I get reborn, then I should spend my life the best I can because as far as I know I might have to repeat living forever
Fuck yeah, man. Agreed lol. But if life wasn't shit like it is, living forever would be fine. I mean, I never get tired of eating and drinking, no matter how many times I've done it in the past. It's just a matter of mental programing.
@@Felipe-zl1rj true. It’s not that life is bad objectively as much as it is typically unpleasant for us. I could imagine an existence where I enjoy the life I have far more than I do now, but I would have to be a different creature lol
There's more than a binary answer to this question. I may not want to live forever, but I'd like the option to check out when I want to, not when a critical biological malfunction occurs. Also what about people who die when they're young or very young? They deserve another chance at a long life, to watch their children grow up.
or to grow up
Don’t make me consider existing eternally, I don’t even want to live now.
Hope you feel better soon
I hope your day gets better sir or mama
Stay strong, mate
@Idk ___ thats deep
With ya there….
Depends on perspective. Not all of us are just going to get tired of life, or weak enough that deaths of loved ones will make us falter. I'd love to live forever if it means I can keep trying new things as the era changes, meet new people, watch how the world ultimately destroys itself.
I'd say it depends on the conditions that you'd live the rest of eternity. An eternity of servitude in a soul-draining job whilst your body is ravaged by sickness and age would be its own sort of hell. But eternity with someone you like, not bound by responsability or pain sounds like a paradise.
There is a difference between living forever and uploading your consciousness to a digital database. When you upload your consciousness to a digital database, nothing changes for you; you still die. Your ideas live on in a synthetic amalgamation of computer and organic biology. Immortality on the other hand is authentically living for as long as time; understanding and experiencing all of the things that go into being alive.
Yes
In both cases, it'll be pointless. After everything is done, there'll be nothing new because us, as humans, we always feel the need to want more. Let's go with video games as an example, how many times did u get that fake dopamine with video games and then it faded away a couple weeks later? It'll be the same with immortality but just with life experiences.
@@jeyzyyt6279 how many people play the exact same video game for years of their lives, and who watches the same episodes? That's not a fake hit. Plenty of people are satisfied. There's just a different level for each person. Some have bigger thresholds than others
"I don't want to live forever, I just want to outlive everyone else" - Tyler Ninja Blevins
this man out here quoting fucking ninja
@@cookie9874 what can you expect, his name is Mr.Breasts
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You had me at "do not go gentle into that goodnight."
An interstellar fan is an interstellar fan.
Nobody wants to love forever. Just long enough to experience everything we can think of and be bored of it.
I want to live forever.
This one was a good video. The Naos child, only 100-something years old, had the perfect answer.
Humans only live for a hundred years, it is as unreal as a dream that ends in an instant. What is the point of a person living in this world? No more than just being on a journey, and witnessing interesting things. Although I do not want to die, I do not fear death. I am already on my right path, I have no regrets even if I die.
I like your comment. I don't fear death, and I accept that it's going to happen, I just really wish there was some sort of workaround
100’s pretty generous, not gonna lie.
The point of living its to be a tool for nature to go on. you reproduce and you go. you are part of a bigger organism and your job its to continue the cycle. like a cell in a body, we are just that.
The brain got too egotistical and thinks that we are more than that, reality its that we aren´t. Suffering,pain,wonder and happiness are all deceiving feelings that nature give us so we do as it commands. thats why being social, reproduce and eat feel good. Thats why we only are here for a number of years, we are not supposed to be here longer than that, we are not independent, we are just part of nature, and we are expendable.
Monty Oum died in his 30s and it was a natural cause.
Life is like one big road. The everyday things we do are traffic lights, the people we meet are other cars, and sleeping is pouring petrol.
The point of getting on the road is to reach your destination, right? So, in my opinion, death is our destination, morbid as it sounds.
*The fear of death, makes humans make the most out of their lives, they make their lives worth it, for what ever period they live on earth*
-Enoch kalimbwe
i feel more alligned with the other belief that humans seek immortality through any means possible including glory honor or documents through history we dont get meaning from death we get meaning through running away from death. but i still do think your philosophy is quite great.
This Enoch dude got shit scared at the prospect of dying and losing everything he ever loved and cared for, so came up with a quote to try to justify death to himself.
To paraphrase CGP Grey: You never die in the future, you always die in the present.
And, the present is always here. Or, will be, in a second. Or, just passed, a second ago!
“Death is what gives life meaning, to know your days are numbered.”
Ohhh boi, here we go again. Death does not gives life meaning because it gives you the perception that you have to make the most out of the time before you die. Death pressures you into it, what gives your life meaning is what you value. You don't become lazy because you know the fact that you're not going to die, what surrounds you will still die and be gone. Here is a bit of confusing part of how immortality works, is it your consciousness? your body? as long as you're considered to be not clinically dead? because that will be a mess to just float into space wondering aimlessly. But what if you persevere and help humanity evolve and be able to travel in space so fast, efficient, and safe. Guide humanity to colonize different planets that were thought impossible to reach before. The way we think of death as a normal part of our lives to hide the horror it will cause. We are afraid and helpless(so we think) so we hide it, sometimes we'd think the best way to die is in our sleep where we don't notice it, and if it ever did happen then we will never know. The person that is you is now gone, unable to experience anything, unable to have meaning.
The single dumbest quote in humanities history.
The moral of the story; is that there isn't one, everyone has different ambitions goals and outlooks on life, we've all come from different surroundings, experiences and places to create our own perception. In another sense life is what meaning you give it, it's not about whose wrong or right or the better option, it's what you create for it and yourself which gives it purpose, it's what you create in your own world which gives it meaning.
Obviously it's a bit of a fetch saying this is kind of the soul purpose of the video, this is just how it resignated with me and what I thought of it. This is just what I took from what he was saying since there wasn't generally a main moral to the story.