This is How a Worlds Run Ends | SQUAD S7E10
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2023
- This is it - what every team's been working towards all year. The World Championship. A shot at the Summoner's Cup. A chance to prove themselves on the international stage. But you already know how this ends.
In the SQUAD season finale, follow our team's journey as they go international.
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Honestly respect to apa for still being able to play with the team when almost everything is happening in korean even coaching and comms
My man's just casually yip yipping through life.
Respect to all of the foreign players who have done the exact same thing when almost everything is English, while not only receiving no appreciation for it, but also while receiving hate every day from "fans" on the internet.
@@leiferikson1066 dude is a rookie
most of the imports who do that are veteran world class players
the comparison is not fair
@@leiferikson1066 Most countries speak English as a 2nd language. While they may not all be fluent, like Bjergsen and other Danish players, the comparison isn't exactly the same.
They also have always been given tons of credit. Don't know why you feel they haven't.
@@CURichard2019 I didn't think people on RUclips were pedantic enough to make a "well ackshually" response to that. No, it's not exactly the same situation down to the subatomic particles. It's beside the point, because as you acknowledge, they're not all fluent, and most of them aren't even close.
Most high school students in the US study Spanish as a second language. Do you think they're ready to live in Mexico and communicate at a full-time job? No, most of them probably couldn't even order a taco. You can drill grammar exercises for four years, get all As, and still be useless when it comes to speaking a language. That's the norm when it comes to foreign language education in the US, even for Spanish which has thousands of cognates in common with English. Do you think English education in Korea is much better? That they had thousands of hours of speaking and listening practice with native English speakers and now they're ready to have fast-paced, complicated conversations after high school? Probably not.
Where? All I see is constant complaining about "imports". Just under this video, I see more comments of appreciation for APA dealing with the challenges of a language barrier than I've seen for all foreign players this year.
This made me feel so bad for APA. I can't imagine trying to do my job when my coworkers are giving each other hyper specific instructions in a foreign language. Imagine if he was able to understand when Pyosik did things like announce his jungle path intentions.
I agree with you, but this is generally what most imports to NA from Korea and China deal with - Language barriers. For example berserker and look at him now he's the best AD in NA. Just give APA time
lol Jesus.. imagine having to learn a second language for work... You can't possibly expect to do well at worlds as a midlaner who can only play two champs. I don't think I've ever seen 0/9/3 ever in worlds.
Nah he's hot garbage. This is like working for a fortune 500 but you got in as a diversity hire who is giga unqualified. That's APA.
Languange isnt his only problem. His champion puddle is. And the worlds meta wasnt even that hard with azir ori being the prio mid pick
Must be super weird for APA; not understanding what your team's talking about more than half the time. Such a weird and probably uncomfortable position to be in as a rookie, doubly so when some of your teammates have visibly given up on you in the middle of a tournament, *after* you stepped up and help them get to where they are in the first place. Can't help but feel that he deserved a better environment. I hope he and Yeon have many more successful years ahead of them.
I hope he can slip into FlyQuest or GGS next split. Man excelled in a position where he was put at a major disadvantage.
He needs a team where he can communicate and actually show his full skill. It would be a shame if he gets stuck in TL playing with 4 Koreans
yeon 그리고 apa 고생 많았습니다
표식이 팬이라 tl경기를 봤지만
연 apa하고도 정든 기분이였어요
연은 이번 월즈는 아쉬웠지만 드븐도 하고 챔폭이 넓어서 lcs 태산이 될만한 재능이라 생각합니다..
apa도 늦은 콜업인데 이 정도 해준거 정말 감사합니다
내년 월즈에서도 apa yeon 볼 수 있길 기원합니다❤
연 은 피지컬보다는 상황판단 능력이 문제
표식 팬으로서 TL경기 하이라이트로 자주 챙겨봤는데 앞으로 팀이 어떻게 될지 모르겠지만 yeon이랑 apa 꼭 월즈에서 다시 보고 싶다 파이팅!!
This is an assumption but I think a major disadvantage is the fact they give out comms in Korean when they have a English speaking midlaner. I sympathize for APA even though I am Korean myself because throughout this video, like 3:47 , you see multiple times where vital pieces of information are said in korean. Even if someone translates for him after, that creates a delay in comms. I think that impacts mid heavily for synergy and even during laning phase because you miss out on information that a midlaner can react to. and thats not even with me bringing up how important comms are during teamfights
That is also what makes ig 2018 quite impressive, although rookie spoke Chinese Theshy at the time barely understood or spoke chinese
And still Pyosik and APA have godlike synergy
they were supposed to have a full korean team
Pyosik 😭😭 you did well! You've worked hard! The day will come you will hold the summoner's cup again, I'm sure of it!!! We're very proud of you!! Thank you Team Liquid for making it this far, rest well and stand up again. For the glory and the fall!
Thanks for this honest video! It really hurts and I feel so sorry for you guys. I'm sure you'll come back stronger next year!
Banger of a docu, all the squad series.
Fk heartbroken... this worlds was disappointed but I cant give up on these guys. Ive been rooting on TL since 2019 sometimes we lose and mess up. But we also win and get a miracle. Maybe Im kinda like a junky because Im always remember the high feelings when we win season or go finals on msi. That was many years ago now but I rooting for them because of that memories. Well we have no good memories in worlds every years but I will rooting for them as far as I can. Someday they will give me that high feelings like before. You guys are gonna win. Because I'll be rooting for you guys until you win. See you next year.
lcs팀에게 이렇게 관심을 가져본적은 처음이에요 수고하셨어요
very honest video, I wish you guys the best 🙌
Big shout out to Steve, he always gives it all, i hope he can win another championship again.
Liquids team is fantastic, I love these guys, one more year together guys, you will win!!!
was an exciting year, onwards and upwards
퓨시가 수고했다
apa도 2군에서 갑자기 올라와서는 로컬 선수인데 대화가 안 통하는 팀에서 월즈까지 오게 활약해줘서 고생했고
다른 선수들도 고생 많으셨습니다
Great work TL, as a TSM fan, you did amazing!
Tl 선수들 모두 고생하셨어요 나한테 선수들이 챔피언이에요
Man, Yeon really killin' me. I appreciate all he's done for TL org, and hope he can continue to grow and find greater success in the upcoming season.
Yeah keep Yeon and be mediocre team
Good idea
After the T1 game they turbo int the following games
Check Yawns highlight during their first game
APA made mistakes but check Yeons impact on that game
After 1 year you call that growth?
Atleast APA is trying
@@jinmccallister2445 ive seen much improvement from apa than in yeon performance
not hating or anything but you need to have better investments for the future like apa
퓨시가 수고많았다
넌 최선을 다한거야 ㄹㅇ
표식이 우는거보고 역시 역사에 이름남길수있는 스포츠선수가 될수있는 그릇이라고 다시 한번 느낀듯. 이름 월즈우승해서 남겼지만 꾸준히 경쟁하고 힘들어하면서 성장할수있는 선수같다. 상황에 안주하지않고 분노하는 자만이 결국 끝까지가더라 표식아 화이팅 다른 팀원들도 고생하셨습니다
Very honest video that showed why TL looked so different after the T1 game.
What was clear from the video is that Spawn needs to be elevated as head coach and the rest of the coaching staff needs changed. Spawn was the only one that showed (From this video) any sort of care towards player mental health and everything else.
As for APA and his request for Cassiopeia in that last game. He should not have been shot down immediately and should have just been told to go for it.
It is disheartening to see how blatantly ignored players were and how unprepared the coaching was for these games. Which is a reason why the players lost faith in the coaching staff and each other. The transparency is appreciated here but holy hell does this team need a lot of fixing behind the scenes.
when worlds is on the line you would put the game in the hands of APA? LS said that they should let APA play his champ pool too... you cannot put the worlds run in the hands of one of your weaker players who can only communicate 'pyosik come' to his jungler..
Pyosik and Summit legit went to the coaching staff after game 1 against GAM and demanded that the game be put on Pyosik's back, Pyosik delivered - TL's mid and bot just didn't put out enough damage for the tank top, engage jungler to work..pyosik on carry junglers got them to worlds, almost 1v9 T1, 1v9 the second GAM game..thats the guy you need to set up to carry you - but then they pick him a sejuani
@@johnkirk1772 I think the issue is that they didn’t try to give any of their players the game whether it’s top side mid or bot side the coaches just couldn’t let their team win. Sure don’t give Apa the game to win but also not giving him anything and basically excluding him out of the game plan isn’t going to work nor would giving the games solely to pyosik be repeatable even if they did win the game.
Really good episode as always, I hope this series continues next year.
The MAIN job of the coaching staff is to manage the PEOPLE and RO absolutely fumbled the bag
월즈 23에서 T1을 가장 크게 위협했던 팀
재평가가 시급합니다
팀x 정글ㅇ
They thought the last fight in map 1 was fine?? With syndra completely zoned and Aphelios has full red purple guns? 0 damage man...
Good Try TL I was only really a fan during Jensen's and Impact's tenure on the team, but its hard to not root for you guys. Hopefully whatever the roster turns into next season is successful. Keep it up
Well good news for you
Impact has rejoined TL for 2024
I did see that report I know they aren't going to replace APA but i can't help but wish for the pillars of old TL to form once again with jensen impact corejj@@ObiWanShinobi917
Some 3-4 years ago, I watched the docu Breaking Point (might have been another name, but the one with Dardorch or whatever his name was, crazy jgl'er but also semi crazy person), got hooked by the drama and started following TL and cheering for them. I was so sad about the "original" roster changes, didnt understand how a team that won their own region, showed really good games internationally, why you wouldnt give such a team one more year to become even more in sync. But hey, what do I know. But the changes made resulted in me feeling less connected to the team and then the general level of play of the LCS made it less interesting and I started to follow the LPL scene. Now youtube was like "Yo, remember this Squad series?" and I was like, oh right. God damn, that intro theme thing just hit right in the feels, got so hyped. Then reality hit and what my brain had already deleted was refreshed - what a stupid idea to cut onions while watching this.
I cant help but be a TL fan at heart, maybe its cuz without TL, I wouldnt even have started following LoL esports (cant really say Im happy about playing the game, holy fuck is it frustrating xD), or maybe its because of the ceo Steve - I cant even really tell if im rooting for the players or him more, but theres just something about TL that makes me feel like this is it, this is who I would actually want to be succesfull and cheer for.
BUT, one person who seems to be fairly disliked from all of these squad things and the limited insight we get, is this dude Dodo. If that person is actually a crucial member of the staff and is doing good things behind the scenes, this series has failed to showcase whatever the fuck it is he is doing that is a net positive for this team. From what we are shown through these Squad series, it seems he is just a "multiplier". And thats obviously a good think when things are going well, because then that "well" gets multiplied and it becomes good or great. But when things are not well, it becomes fucking horrible and results like freaking GAM makes TL look like a freaking minor region team. Sadge.
Anyway, good luck next year TL, cant help but root for you guys
When it comes to their comms, i feel like CoreJJ should have done a better job coordinating their game plan.
brutal
수고하셨습니다.
this team might get the lcs spring trophy next year
Pretty sad, but it was expected.
APA looks excluded throughout the videos
Yeon should win the airport speedrun MVP
When is Spawn going to be promoted to our head coach?
APA 입장이 되면 쉽지않겠네 역으로 용병이 된 느낌? 루키인데 고생했다
There is a lot of talk about mental boom, but literally no one is booming other than the coaches. Look at APA, he's stoic as you can be, he tells his team that they did a good try, he stays in the game. Core is literally never booming. Maybe psyosik? He wanted to carry, so I guess maybe he was, but honestly, I think the coaching staff is just disconnected from the players (other than spawn, but even then, the players prob don't understand everything he says). Anyway, I hope APA, Core and Yeon stay on TL.
Well well well, looks like I may have been right! GO APA, GO TL
Honestly after that game with T1, they went from #5 LCK team to a #3 LCS team . This video showed they had internal issues, which is unfortunate as this team had potential. TL, please sort out those issues and work as a team again
😢💔
16:17 팀리퀴드가 쳐발리고있습니다 ㄷㄷ
분해서 우는 놈은 분명히 크게 된다.
Great players often don't make great coaches.
Spawn could tell the tell was boomed and turning on APA hard after Game 1. We already knew top/jung did after the NRG series. It's so sad to see the guys collapse and turn on each other. I hope they stick with APA, Yeon, and Core next year
😢
There's always next year, and next year after that...and year after that... and year after that...and year after that.....
I would hate to be a manager or coach cause youre really the #1 that truly feels every lost and wins
Imagine ur apa in that team XD i think as unknown rookie like i never heard anything about him he did good
Good try TL!
I cant support a team that has 4 koreans speaking korean in the comms and in draft sessions while you leave out the one english speaking teammate in the AMERICA region
Hold on, at the 26:00 mark, Reignover says Tristana is a flex, after they said they're giving up Xayah, so they couldn't give APA Cassio. That's not a flex at all, if they take Tristana first, you grab Xayah Rakan, and if they take Xayah, we KNOW Tristana isn't a flex pick anymore. Absolutely fucking trolling the drafts.
i think he was saying if they dont ban maokai, then they would pick that instead of xayah and then tirst coulkd be flexed, becuase apa asked if they had to ban mao 1st rotation
@@west919 I think if GAM didn't first pick Xayah with those pick/bans, they're trolling by giving over Xayah Rakan
Summit wasnt at his best this tourney.
What the hell happened to Reignover, dude put on like 50 pounds
mental state isn't a switch but telling the player straight up to get into the mental state to prepare is ironic. mental state needs to be guided into not directed into. then dodo said "mental boom happens every worlds".... okay anybody see the problem there then? happens every worlds? he said it like he is proud to announce that it happens in the team every worlds... buddy you are the problem, as the only piece that hasn't change during all these world stage and mental boom happens every worlds, you need to go buddy and to top it off your solutions for the player was to "just go play and enjoy it" ? ENJOY IT? THIS IS THEIR LAST WORLDS GAME IF THEY LOSE, U SAY JUST ENJOY IT? it could be the players last world stage ever for some of them. and your advice was just to enjoy it? u need to tell them to go out there, and play their best game in their life, go practice, go study on the opponent, practice counter picks, practice team work, be prepared to play their best game of their life possible so there is no regret! but "enjoy it" was all u can come up with? buddy u need to go, no wonder TL just goes to shit at worlds. its like there is no drive what so ever when it comes to worlds. wow and telling people to calm down in a voice that sounds like shit is about to hit the fan. yeah buddy that really helps, also almost half the team doesn't speak english all they hear is how you sound, and yeah buddy good luck calming people down like that.
This so much! I cringed when they said to get in the mental state "now", what does that even mean? The truth is that he probably doesn't know.
Also, you are 100% right about the pressure of the worlds stage. Look man, "just enjoy it" is what we said 10 years ago when we had no clue on how to actually change the mental state of players. It's not like TL had no expectations and were the extreme underdogs where "just enjoy it" would be more appropriate. Imagine being the player in this situation, and how frustrating it is hearing these completely disconnected speeches about mental states of players.
I think at that point, don't focus on the "mental boom" and focus on the actual game, strategies, and RECOGNIZING the emotions the players are experiencing. These players don't have to have their hands held when they lose. This is the management and coaching staff coping their own damn emotions. It's ironic because Spawn told APA to say : "Hey, what can I do to help?". Well, I wonder if the coaches asked that to the players during this fateful series.
I liked Spawn's approach, but has to work on a few things. Telling people to breathe is fine, telling people to focus on what's next, what the next play is, I actually like that. But you can't just throw things like "be in X mental state" or "don't tilt" or things like that. If I'd be in the player's shoes, I'd only get more frustrated when hearing that.
I still can't believe that guy said "just have fun". Keep Spawn, analyst guy looked actually good and compassionate too, but man, what's with these clowns and the draft and the "hey that's on me guys, it's my fault". Dude, your players are disappointed in their performances, probably reflecting on their mistakes. Leave them alone, be sensible! Why are you smiling and acting like everyone should have had fun?
And it's too bad that Dodo and Reignover planned the whole draft without taking APA into consideration (literally planning in korean) so he didn't have a say. When he spoke, clearly the coaches had made their decision. Anyway, a serious mindset change needs to happen in the coaching IMO.
Pyosik with 4 bots
i feel bad for APA his team speaks almost korean most of the time also in the comms
Anyway to find the music used throughout this video? @teamliquidlol
근데 미드는 체급을 좀 올려야 겠다 이게 순수 라인전을 이렇게 져버리면 겜이 안 돼 하지만 매력적인 선수라는걸 부정 할순없다
good acting skills from yeon coming at the end.
it aint a worlds run if you cant even make it to the elimination round
What are you talking about
@@kivori3438 it aint a run, they just participated
pyosik delutional to think NA team gonna make it to quaterfinals
BRING BACK APA
아니 지금 보니까 선수 라인업이 그냥 LCK네 ㅋㅋㅋ
서밋, 코장, 표식만 한국인이고 나머지는 미국인인줄 알았지....
Nah bro, there was no run for it to end, korea 5 th seed still came back with nothing to show except a close game with T1, do u really want to say, yeah we went to worlds and had one close game but like lost everything they could have possibly lost?
how in the world was APA ever expected to succeed. So much is said in front of him in Korean about his position and he has no idea. Not a good spot.
엄티가 간다는게 사실이냐...?
Please view this message for what it is, Team liquid had the same issue for months and months on end, sometimes you have to look past the tears and say it for what it is, they were not good enough. I understand mental boom it's a real thing, I also understand that these are humans with emotions. Sometimes people have to say it for what it is, how many times has summit ran it down , how many times have team liquid took a fight they didn't need to take, these are pro players with money, time and everything they needed to fix their problems. I wish the league teams were real with their players as they need to hear the truth. STOP sugar coating the message and say it for what it is. All teams have weaknesses and players who own up to their mistakes. I didn't once believe TL was going to win anything, this isn't a Disney channel movie. The mistakes they made all year were not going to disappear. Hope they learn something from this instead of chalking it up as mental boom. because there was more to it .
poor APA not being able to be on Cass....
Isn't the coaching staff just the biggest failure this year? Why did pyosik have to remind the coaches that they can't just brush it off? Of course there will be mistrust and miscommunication when noone is speaking in English and APA is just lost. Watching reignover and dodo's attitude is really frustrating as a fan. Like they seem really incompetent.
What a horrible coaching staff. A rookies first worlds and they couldn’t just let him have cass against a team clearly worse then them
The reasoning for not allowing Cass was also incorrect -- Saying Tristana was a flex pick after they take Xayah is straight up false.
Haven't seen tristana bot in ages lmao both in solo and pro play
@@ligance yeah, not really sure why this flex was so important to consider. psyosik wanted to carry and got sej. He even hovered Lee Sin... APA wanted Cass and he finally picks ahri? that didnt go too well, not sure if cass would have made a difference. No one picked trist anyway.
can we call it a run? a brisk walk maybe but definitely not a run. perhaps a light worlds jog is more appropriate.
I honestly got xenophobic vibes towards apa. It probably wasn't and maybe I'm just disappointed and virtue signaling but I felt it....idk I just feel for him
It isnt it’s just a team comp problem if you have 4 players speaking a language the other barely or doesnt speak. They should leave apa to another team and get a korean speaking mdilaner if they want to continue this way. Or adopt english as the main language in everything. It’s not a bad thing in both situations but the middle ground is what makes them suffer cuz they cant communicate properly
28:39 Pyosik. From World champion to not making it out of Swiss Stage 😬
I hope the pay raise was worth it.
apa가 좀 짠하네....
Good bye LCK 5th Seed
At first i was wondering why APA was feeding, but then I feel bad for him now since he doesn't understand what the other players are saying
표식아 그냥 한국와
nrg준결승5세트에 정글 렐 미드제이스 줬을때도 알았지만 월즈에서까지 본인팀 전력파악못한줄은 몰랐노 ㅉㅉ ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 심지어 전판 정글캐리로 이겨놓고 또 그미드 믿 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 정상인 감독이면 처음부터 끝까지 미드 메이킹 으로 돌리는게 맞는거다 본인 팀 능력치 파악 이 그렇게 안되나?감독으로서 객관적인 상황판단능력치 미달
Honestly should bring Doublelift back into Team Liquid. Literally carried with Corejj.
Core is washed
yeon> doublelift
@@snowghost653yeon is a bottom 2-3 ad in the league hahahah
@@kyleblanchet8803 If you think that, then there's a 0% chance you watched LCS this year
@@kyleblanchet8803 remember doublelift mistake vs stixxay? stixxay got gapped at msi. doublelift would have gotten his cheeks CLAPPED
Honestly this whole thing felt so disrespectful to APA. So often he just gets left out of the loop. Everyone speaks korean and he's sitting there being left alone basically. He deserved better for the level of play he showed. Without him TL wouldnt even be at worlds. And can we finally get rid of Dodo? He had enough chances to make rosters work be he clearly cant do it no matter what talent he gets.
All the good players on the team speak Korean, so it makes sense to communicate in Korean.
@@nemonymous89yeah apa should switch for an english speaking team and if liquid wants to keep koreans just take a korean american or another import, it is the best outcome for both parties
4 koreans cant win ICANT
Steve deserves it. Time for a full NA team ae Steven.
More like Dodo who is the one that assembled the team?
Full NA teams are trash.
clearly not as bad as imported teams ya freak@@nemonymous89
I can't believe pyosik cried like that.... Like why dude? Why come to North America and join the LCS with having such strong aspirations for worlds still? What did he possibly think he could achieve on an LCS team? This region is considered a retirement home for a reason I just can't understand why someone with such passion would join a team, a region, that has literally no chance at worlds. He should rejoin the LCK if he wants to win again. No matter how good you are as an individual no amount of work will ever make you capable of carrying 4 bodies across the finish line vs the best teams and players in the world. Watching pyosik's reaction has honestly left me just..... Completely confused why he's playing for TL. Maybe he misread TL and thought they were T1 for a second when he first joined then it was just too late to back out when he realized he made a mistake 😅? Idfk tbh.
By the time worlds '22 ended, all LCK teams had their rosters complete so going to LCS was his only chance to keep playing in a team. He landed in a good place, friendly org, he said several times that this year was his happiest, that says a LOT if u think last year he won worlds.
Drx just metaphorically backstabbed him by sending him away without giving him time to find another team. Didnt help the finals performance which is a shame. And to top it all off at the eyes of many he went to na just to get paycheck when in reality its just because there was no other spot left which is a bit sad if you think about it
ㅈ같이 답없는팀 월즈보내줬더니 머라노 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅉㅉ
@@kivori3438 ohh, that makes sense I never stopped to consider the fact he had no other option than to come to North America. Being a world champion and all I thought he would've had tons of options in the LCK.
Idk why people defending apa like he didnt hold the team back in draft and by feeding in game.
They're defending him because he was the best option that TL had, and was slotting in as an outsider with the expectation to catch up without clear communication with the team.
@LiveAndDieWithMusic ya fr, but some people act like hes super good and should start next year when, in reality, he's just a good teamfighter with extremely limited champ pool
I love seeing such a well produced depiction of overpaid players slowly mentally kabooming enough to lose to Vietnam. The inside scoop of abysmal failure. Still not as good as G2 but close
KEEP PYOSIK GET SHOWMAKER AND IMPACTTTTTTT get Korean coaching staff, why are there American English speaking coaches on an all Korean team
Are you dumb lil bro?? There head coach and general manager are both korean
APA was the weak link all split, and people ignore it because LCS fans are racist.
All Split? He was really the weak link TL's first 11 games of Summer when he wasn't on the roster.
표식이가 언젠가 한국으로 돌아는 오겠지만 그래도 표식이 LCK 1군 출신의 선수들이 해외에 나가
성공을 거두고 리그에서 좋은 성적을 거두고 다시 월즈까지 와서 성적을 내는게 결국에는 한국 롤판을
위해서도 프로게이머 후배들을 위해서도 필요하다 외롭고 힘들겠지만 LCK에서 못 보는게 아쉽지만
힘내라 표식아
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