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I was the pilot although it was not my plane. This was a test flight for this model at a club site. On take off it needed full down and still need slight forward stick for level flight. After a short flight and as I was about to hand the controls to the owner The engine went sick so I turned for landing after throttling back but it cut. I’d already selected gear and flaps as assumed it would keep running and pull me home. The wind was very strong so when it cut it literally stopped. I flicked the flaps away but it was set up so the flaps go VERY slow so I didn’t have much chance. Thankfully it sustained very little damage and was flying again workin 2 weeks and completed a full very successful season
Sorry to see the aircraft was damaged. Glad it wasn't destroyed. I have flown unpowered two meter gliders almost exclusively, and as I was sitting watching this, and I was twisting in the chair as you brought it in.
@@EssentialRC No - he put the flaps down at 3:26, just before the engine quit. Then 10 seconds later he pulled them up, causing an immediate stall (the stall speed is higher with flaps up, and it just wasn't flying fast enough). But as you say it's easy to make the wrong call under pressure - we've all been there :-)
Well spotted, I almost missed that! Yes, retracting flaps when flying critically slow is a bit tricky - especially when you've already run out of altitude that you could exchange for airspeed.
This was a test flight. The model was tail heavy and needed full down trim and slight forward stick for level flight. It was also very windy. It was controllable with power but once that stopped, we’ll you saw the test
@@johnnyz681 This was a test flight of a 'flying legends' P51. it proved to be very tail heavy and needed forward stick for level flight. When the engine coughed I had no room to land so had to do a quick right hand circuit to get her home. I dropped the wheels and flaps assuming the engine would bring me home but it quit!!! it was a very windy day so when it quit the model literally stooped. I flicked the flaps away but they take 3 seconds to go away and by that time it was almost on the deck
All very easy to say Phil Kennedy let's remember it wasn't you that had to make that split second decision!and I also very much doubt you're as able a flyer as this fella!
That's what I always do if I have the time. Here's a 4,5 kg 1,2 m wing span EDF (with a relatively high wing loading...) that started losing power (around 1:20 on the video) on slow speed climbing flight because I had taken off with a combination of a full charged and empty batteries :) ruclips.net/video/QQ3h_xsab6o/видео.html
I would have if I could have got to the gear switch at the same time as the flap switch and flown the plane (that needed forward stick for level flight) all at the same time. 😥
Jacen Grey yep, glad he walked away from that one. My flight was a test flight of someone else’s model unfortunately. The model was very tail heavy and needed forward stick to fly straight and level which is no ever good. His switches were in different places to mine and it was a very windy day. It coughed so I turned for home quickly as couldn’t land from where I was. It cut in the turn and I didn’t have time to get everything tucked away again. It was flying again within 2 weeks
same tough here. He put them back up when he realised he was'nt gonna make the runway, but at this time it was a bad decision as the aircraft clearly loose lift and start to sink fast down. (stall) He you realise you are a bit short but low and slow you best action is to keep speed above stall and save a little energy for the flare, even if that makes you an off-field landing.
That's what you call the ragged edge,right there!! Sucked the flaps up,and it just quit flying!! That was pretty awesome demonstration of aerodynamic lift!!! Or the lack thereof!!!
The sound of that engine in slow mo is fantastic, coupled with the ultra smooth flying, great! Stretching the glide to get to the runway, so tempting! This reminds me of a full scale p51 incident in Britain, engine was cutting out intermittently, pilot attempts return to runway, which was close by, engine doesn’t cut in again, doesn’t make runway and crash lands in paddock, wheels up, sweet, until wing hits hidden concrete obstacle. There exists a utube of this and subsequent interview with pilot, fascinating!
Awesome vid. Poor guy. At first I couldn't understand what went wrong.. but the slo mo showed it all. What looked like full flaps, I saw him go level.. then slightly nose-up. Stalled it. Didn't have nearly enough air speed for a slightly nose up approach with flaps. I read the comments... couldn't he have instead kept the landing gear but forego the flaps for the landing? AWESOME vid
Does show how even the best pilots can have a rare bad flying day. Looked easily repairable though. I've seen other balsa P51s explode when the hit the ground.
@@EssentialRC That would be heart breaking! I've never done that.. my thing was flying stright through trees only to see a spray of balsa come out the other side. Excellent vids. Thank you so much!
It was tail heavy and needed slight forward stick for level flight. When it coughed I set it for landing mode and tried to get in quick. It then cut and I had to release elector to switch out flaps hence it picked up then dropped like a stone 😥
Never extend your flaps until landing is assured.... Too much drag was added to quickly and it cost a lot of air speed.... Try to glide the airplane clean and extend your flaps and landing gear at the last second or belly land it clean.
Incorrect. The model was tail heavy and needed forward stick for straight and level flight. To flick the flaps off when the engine cut I had to release the elevator stick which automatically raided the nose
Disaster is when the plane is totalled , from the video and your comments you got away with an extra heavy landing - still sad to see a beautiful A/C with battle damage
Yep, should've noted the wind on the nose, retracted the gear and raised the flaps, and then lower the gear to suit. We're all experts on the ground, but on the sticks in a situation like that is very difficult to make the correct decisions.
@@Warbirdguider I feel for you man, more annoying in heinsight with these things rather than saddening. I've almost been on the same scenario with a few big warbirds. Currently putting together a big Comp ARF Corsair with a Valach 250-R5, should be interesting. 🙂
Michael Boyer hi Michael. This was a test flight and the model was very tail heavy. It was repaired and more nose weight added and was flying again within a couple of weeks 👍
Had lots of experience on dead stick with giant scale Warbirds. This one was particularly iffy because he was already low and slow. Can’t really second guess cause you don’t know wind conditions! However I still would have retracted my gear.
so would I if it was my model or with switches in the same positions. It was also tail heavy and needed forward stick for level flight.....and it was VERTY windy and when it cut (after flaps and wheels deployed) it literally stopped
Warbirdguider, yea Hard to tell tail heavy in this video. Pilot tried to stretch final, you can tell with the nose up attitude. Then again most of my Warbirds need some down elevator mixed in with my flap settings, and the mustang in this video probably did not.
The real RB-51 Red Baron came down in a similar manner, too much drag to glide in with no power. In the RB's case, the Griffen engine seized and the six blades of the counter-rotating prop turned into a huge air brake. The plane could not reach the runway because of. Steve Hinton was lucky to survive the crash. ruclips.net/video/Cc6bhjys0g4/видео.html
I love the P-51 RC, I have a couple of the smaller ones for sale on eBay now. If one of those crashed Id be sick but this Giant , too bad...I have a Giant Yak 56 for sale also on eBay and if that crashed Id be out muchodenero
i am no expert but may be a bit of down elevator along with a quick flare of up elevator at the touch down would have helped to gain valuable speed. and this would have may be helped you to pass the grass and bring the model on to the patch. but hey, shit happens to the best of us!
Nose up, full flaps on a dead stick approach!! - best glide, maintain direction and manage your energy, there was no chance of a successful landing he’s lucky it didn’t drop a wing but it looked like it was about to
Ok, I will take your word for it, I was not there. What I thought I saw, from the camera angle and sound effect I heard, it appeared/sounded (to me) like the engine died 1.5 seconds before final turn was completed and before the flaps were engaged. Then as the plane came out of the turn and leveled off a bit it appeared the flaps were then engaged. Camera angle and sound travel could account for my misinterpretation of what I thought I saw. I don't enjoy seeing beautifully crafted planes crash, I hope your plane was easily repaired. My original comment was not intended to be malicious, just an attempt at a humourous observation from mistakes I have made in the past. Turning/no power/flaps is nearly always a formula for fast, uncontrollable " landings". Have a great day!
Honestly there wasn't much he could do. He would have had to get some serious airspeed and not add flaps until the very last few seconds to slow it down and even then he would have had to have done it all immediately. Sucks to watch something where it really wasn't possible to save!
With 30yrs of flying highly modified rc airplanes like p51 and corsairs and flying gee bees on a dead stick like that I would have kept the nose down and airspeed up and dropped the gear at the last second and heck with the flaps. Mustang has a high stall speed and with no engine keeping the speed up is challenging.
the engine was running when it was set up for landing. When the engine cut it stopped in the air because of the head wind. The model was also very tail heavy and needed forward stick for level flight.
How many planes have ever test flown? Did you know it was very tail heavy before taking off? Even if there was a head wind you have to keep your speed up with these war birds even with engine power that's the reason I wheel land any war bird they have a very high stall speed. If you noticed it being very tail heavy why didn't you just went and landed it when you noticed it wasn't flying right? Every time I test any type of airplane for anybody or myself I double check everything and when I do fly it I shoot landing's and take offs to see how the airplane is going to act.
@@danielcartwright8804 thanks Daniel. I'm not a professional but have flown a fair bit. It went wrong this time which I have to deal with but thank fully it was repaired easily and it now flys great
Warbirdgudier I know your not a professional but keep flying and you keep gaining experience then I guarantee you will be a professional like alot of us. I be Happy to fly with you anyday God bless you and your family and your fellow flyers.
If it was my plane on my transmitter set up by me I would have done exactly that. The engine was running when I set it up for landing. It then cut and stopped in the air. It was also tail heavy and needed forward stick for level flight.
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I was the pilot although it was not my plane. This was a test flight for this model at a club site. On take off it needed full down and still need slight forward stick for level flight. After a short flight and as I was about to hand the controls to the owner The engine went sick so I turned for landing after throttling back but it cut. I’d already selected gear and flaps as assumed it would keep running and pull me home. The wind was very strong so when it cut it literally stopped. I flicked the flaps away but it was set up so the flaps go VERY slow so I didn’t have much chance. Thankfully it sustained very little damage and was flying again workin 2 weeks and completed a full very successful season
It definitely looked like you didn't have enough airspeed after the flaps went back up.
Scott Pritchett correct
Engine get too hot. Check ventilation on the cilinder and fresh air tonthe carburator intake
Sorry to see the aircraft was damaged. Glad it wasn't destroyed. I have flown unpowered two meter gliders almost exclusively, and as I was sitting watching this, and I was twisting in the chair as you brought it in.
Warbirdglider almost all my maintenance is on landing gear! It just never stops.
It stalled when he pulled the flaps UP ... see 3:36 on the video.
I think you mean it stalled when the flaps were put down. Easy mistake to make under pressure.
@@EssentialRC No - he put the flaps down at 3:26, just before the engine quit. Then 10 seconds later he pulled them up, causing an immediate stall (the stall speed is higher with flaps up, and it just wasn't flying fast enough). But as you say it's easy to make the wrong call under pressure - we've all been there :-)
@@btbplanevids Ahhhh....I didn't see that. Well spotted!
Well spotted, I almost missed that! Yes, retracting flaps when flying critically slow is a bit tricky - especially when you've already run out of altitude that you could exchange for airspeed.
This was a test flight. The model was tail heavy and needed full down trim and slight forward stick for level flight. It was also very windy. It was controllable with power but once that stopped, we’ll you saw the test
I’d of pulled wheels back up before it went down
So would I if I had time
Warbirdguider what happened w the engine ? Also did you able to fix it up?:)
Last what model was this Carf?
@@johnnyz681 This was a test flight of a 'flying legends' P51. it proved to be very tail heavy and needed forward stick for level flight. When the engine coughed I had no room to land so had to do a quick right hand circuit to get her home. I dropped the wheels and flaps assuming the engine would bring me home but it quit!!! it was a very windy day so when it quit the model literally stooped. I flicked the flaps away but they take 3 seconds to go away and by that time it was almost on the deck
@@Warbirdguider 😢
All very easy to say Phil Kennedy let's remember it wasn't you that had to make that split second decision!and I also very much doubt you're as able a flyer as this fella!
Suck the flaps and wheels and risk the prop strike and some grazing of the underside of the plane.
That's what I always do if I have the time. Here's a 4,5 kg 1,2 m wing span EDF (with a relatively high wing loading...) that started losing power (around 1:20 on the video) on slow speed climbing flight because I had taken off with a combination of a full charged and empty batteries :) ruclips.net/video/QQ3h_xsab6o/видео.html
I would have if I could have got to the gear switch at the same time as the flap switch and flown the plane (that needed forward stick for level flight) all at the same time. 😥
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I always watch this as a reminder. Sometimes she's doesn't make it back to the runway. Scarier because it was the real thing.
Jacen Grey yep, glad he walked away from that one.
My flight was a test flight of someone else’s model unfortunately. The model was very tail heavy and needed forward stick to fly straight and level which is no ever good. His switches were in different places to mine and it was a very windy day. It coughed so I turned for home quickly as couldn’t land from where I was. It cut in the turn and I didn’t have time to get everything tucked away again. It was flying again within 2 weeks
I hope it has suffered as little damage as the pictures seem to show.
Tnx Dom!
Should not have had flaps down at all on dead stick.
It was running when flaps were deployed
same tough here. He put them back up when he realised he was'nt gonna make the runway, but at this time it was a bad decision as the aircraft clearly loose lift and start to sink fast down. (stall) He you realise you are a bit short but low and slow you best action is to keep speed above stall and save a little energy for the flare, even if that makes you an off-field landing.
That's what you call the ragged edge,right there!! Sucked the flaps up,and it just quit flying!! That was pretty awesome demonstration of aerodynamic lift!!! Or the lack thereof!!!
I didn't realize how big it was. Very nice flyin
that was kool, thank you for a great video
The sound of that engine in slow mo is fantastic, coupled with the ultra smooth flying, great! Stretching the glide to get to the runway, so tempting! This reminds me of a full scale p51 incident in Britain, engine was cutting out intermittently, pilot attempts return to runway, which was close by, engine doesn’t cut in again, doesn’t make runway and crash lands in paddock, wheels up, sweet, until wing hits hidden concrete obstacle. There exists a utube of this and subsequent interview with pilot, fascinating!
I hope it can be fixed! That was a awesome flight! Thanks for sharing buddy!👍👍👍👍
They glide a lot further without flaps and gear. Retract the gear for off-field landings..
Agreed but it was running when flaps and gear was deployed and then stopped in the strong wind when the engine quit.
Awesome vid. Poor guy. At first I couldn't understand what went wrong.. but the slo mo showed it all. What looked like full flaps, I saw him go level.. then slightly nose-up. Stalled it. Didn't have nearly enough air speed for a slightly nose up approach with flaps. I read the comments... couldn't he have instead kept the landing gear but forego the flaps for the landing? AWESOME vid
Does show how even the best pilots can have a rare bad flying day. Looked easily repairable though. I've seen other balsa P51s explode when the hit the ground.
@@EssentialRC yeah buddy,seems like the wing box tends to just explode!
@@EssentialRC That would be heart breaking! I've never done that.. my thing was flying stright through trees only to see a spray of balsa come out the other side. Excellent vids. Thank you so much!
It was tail heavy and needed slight forward stick for level flight. When it coughed I set it for landing mode and tried to get in quick. It then cut and I had to release elector to switch out flaps hence it picked up then dropped like a stone 😥
@@Warbirdguider Oh no! Well it was a fantastic landing given what you dealt with. Your flying skills and air machine are amazing!
Pilot not to blame, with or without flaps at landing speed plus no engine power means falling down like a brick.
Never extend your flaps until landing is assured.... Too much drag was added to quickly and it cost a lot of air speed.... Try to glide the airplane clean and extend your flaps and landing gear at the last second or belly land it clean.
The engine was running when flaps and gear deployed!
@@Warbirdguider clean it up
Pulled the nose up on the glide with no power. That’s a no no with a heavy warbird.
Incorrect. The model was tail heavy and needed forward stick for straight and level flight. To flick the flaps off when the engine cut I had to release the elevator stick which automatically raided the nose
Hmmm. Didn’t have time to balance it out?
Would have greased the landing if he just came in hot
Why no close ups?
Ouch! Time didn't permit of course but gear retracted back up might have helped. That said - he'll fly another day fortunately.
yup, agreed
Disaster is when the plane is totalled , from the video and your comments you got away with an extra heavy landing - still sad to see a beautiful A/C with battle damage
Yep, should've noted the wind on the nose, retracted the gear and raised the flaps, and then lower the gear to suit.
We're all experts on the ground, but on the sticks in a situation like that is very difficult to make the correct decisions.
all in a split second whilst fighting a model that was very tail heavy and with switches in different places than used to
@@Warbirdguider I feel for you man, more annoying in heinsight with these things rather than saddening.
I've almost been on the same scenario with a few big warbirds.
Currently putting together a big Comp ARF Corsair with a Valach 250-R5, should be interesting. 🙂
What a shame! Nice looking Mustang and great aerobatic flight until.....See you in the Air!
Easy to say, was the flaps,the landin gear,ex.but wen you are on the sticks,,the time to think is to short. But can be repair that beauty.
What a beautiful model! And very well flown! Bravo! 👍🍻
Beautiful plane great flight !
most of it!
Why did you deploy the flaps? That slows her down...next time keep those flaps tucked!
It was running when flaps were deployed
@@Warbirdguider I'm sorry! I shouldn't have Monday morning qb'd you. Beautiful airplane, did you get her back in the air? Thank you:)
Michael Boyer hi Michael. This was a test flight and the model was very tail heavy. It was repaired and more nose weight added and was flying again within a couple of weeks 👍
Had lots of experience on dead stick with giant scale Warbirds. This one was particularly iffy because he was already low and slow. Can’t really second guess cause you don’t know wind conditions! However I still would have retracted my gear.
so would I if it was my model or with switches in the same positions. It was also tail heavy and needed forward stick for level flight.....and it was VERTY windy and when it cut (after flaps and wheels deployed) it literally stopped
Warbirdguider, yea Hard to tell tail heavy in this video. Pilot tried to stretch final, you can tell with the nose up attitude. Then again most of my Warbirds need some down elevator mixed in with my flap settings, and the mustang in this video probably did not.
Funny how that sheep on right lifts his/her head....”hmmm, wats was dat”
The real RB-51 Red Baron came down in a similar manner, too much drag to glide in with no power. In the RB's case, the Griffen engine seized and the six blades of the counter-rotating prop turned into a huge air brake. The plane could not reach the runway because of. Steve Hinton was lucky to survive the crash. ruclips.net/video/Cc6bhjys0g4/видео.html
Stalled it all the way to the ground! SAD!
I love the P-51 RC, I have a couple of the smaller ones for sale on eBay now. If one of those crashed Id be sick but this Giant , too bad...I have a Giant Yak 56 for sale also on eBay and if that crashed Id be out muchodenero
Man alive is everyone on the selling game on you tube now.....
Your offended by the one product link in the pinned comments? You don't have to click on it, honestly. 🙄
Instead of retracting the flaps you should've kept the flaps down and push the nose down and you may have prevented the stall
The aircraft literally stopped because of the head wind
Bummer!
i am no expert but may be a bit of down elevator along with a quick flare of up elevator at the touch down would have helped to gain valuable speed. and this would have may be helped you to pass the grass and bring the model on to the patch. but hey, shit happens to the best of us!
Down elevator was needed for level flight
Why didn’t he bail out ..Why?!? 😥
Nose up, full flaps on a dead stick approach!! - best glide, maintain direction and manage your energy, there was no chance of a successful landing he’s lucky it didn’t drop a wing but it looked like it was about to
Check other comments and see other factors involved
I notice at the time of crash he has turned of the flaps
The title should state RC MODEL !!!
At least it wasn’t destroyed. Maybe a broken prop and a couple dings
He stalled in an attempt to make the landing strip, why would he put down the flaps to reduce speed with a dead engine?
Lovely plane but I think there is some click bait in the title...
Can’t figure out why he had the flaps down and then stalled it. Should have kept the speed up and glided it in.
Because the engine was running when the flaps were dialled in for landing. It then cut in a very strong head wind
Warbirdguider Thank you.
Flaps without power? WTF... Nobody tries that and gets off Scott free! Looks like a "soft crash" but dam... think about stuff before you drop flaps.
It was running when the flaps were dropped
Ok, I will take your word for it, I was not there. What I thought I saw, from the camera angle and sound effect I heard, it appeared/sounded (to me) like the engine died 1.5 seconds before final turn was completed and before the flaps were engaged. Then as the plane came out of the turn and leveled off a bit it appeared the flaps were then engaged. Camera angle and sound travel could account for my misinterpretation of what I thought I saw. I don't enjoy seeing beautifully crafted planes crash, I hope your plane was easily repaired. My original comment was not intended to be malicious, just an attempt at a humourous observation from mistakes I have made in the past. Turning/no power/flaps is nearly always a formula for fast, uncontrollable " landings". Have a great day!
Cripes a mighty! Hard to see her go down hope you rebuild her back to her glory I’m kin to the the original ace George
This was early in 2019. it was repaired very quickly, more nose weight added and has performed very well ever since
SAD. one Beautiful P 51, She WILL Fly again.
she flew again a couple of weeks later but now with a lot more nose weight....... and performed perfectly ever since
Maintain thy airspeed lest the earth surely shall rise up and smite thee.
Honestly there wasn't much he could do. He would have had to get some serious airspeed and not add flaps until the very last few seconds to slow it down and even then he would have had to have done it all immediately. Sucks to watch something where it really wasn't possible to save!
Sad
defiantly he had flap diled in way to early and gear down . not a sailplane pilot
The engine was running when they were dialled in!
if you stall you fall
yep, all baaaaaa none
With 30yrs of flying highly modified rc airplanes like p51 and corsairs and flying gee bees on a dead stick like that I would have kept the nose down and airspeed up and dropped the gear at the last second and heck with the flaps. Mustang has a high stall speed and with no engine keeping the speed up is challenging.
the engine was running when it was set up for landing. When the engine cut it stopped in the air because of the head wind. The model was also very tail heavy and needed forward stick for level flight.
How many planes have ever test flown? Did you know it was very tail heavy before taking off? Even if there was a head wind you have to keep your speed up with these war birds even with engine power that's the reason I wheel land any war bird they have a very high stall speed. If you noticed it being very tail heavy why didn't you just went and landed it when you noticed it wasn't flying right? Every time I test any type of airplane for anybody or myself I double check everything and when I do fly it I shoot landing's and take offs to see how the airplane is going to act.
@@danielcartwright8804 thanks Daniel. I'm not a professional but have flown a fair bit. It went wrong this time which I have to deal with but thank fully it was repaired easily and it now flys great
Warbirdgudier I know your not a professional but keep flying and you keep gaining experience then I guarantee you will be a professional like alot of us. I be Happy to fly with you anyday God bless you and your family and your fellow flyers.
Woulda made the field if he hadn’t dirtied up the aero
Almost killed those sheep🐑
I would have belly landed flaps up.
Sin
Tragic disaster? Really? Looks like a typical sink rate on a war bird to me. Classic failure...dead stick without sufficient altitude
Wheels back up, No flaps could have got ya a bit more speed to flare! Sorry man I've been there before, It's all part of the hobby unfortunately!
Indeed and this pilot knows that. He's super experienced and one of the best warbird pilots in the UK. Everyone in RC has the occasional bad day.
If it was my plane on my transmitter set up by me I would have done exactly that. The engine was running when I set it up for landing. It then cut and stopped in the air. It was also tail heavy and needed forward stick for level flight.