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I love the Ground Neutral concept. My teacher Victor Sazer promoted what he called seated "boxer balance", being so balanced and grounded so as to be able to have a boxing match while seated. It is literally the foundation of playing without pain.
I raised my Kun shoulder rest 1 year ago thinking I was creating a better plane for playing on my E string. What a dumb thing to do. I’ve struggled with a terrible neck injury and muscle spasms since then. I’ve seen doctors, physical therapists and an upper cervical chiropractor. I even tried muscle relaxants and heat therapy, which did help. Finally 1 year later it is much better, but still present at times. Now I use a very low Playon Air shoulder rest and I’m switching to a 7/8 violin since I have such short arms and small hands. What a difficult journey.
It’s is thankfully better. But I will be using your GN techniques to relax from bottom up! I’ve always been a tense player, especially left hand, but getting better.
I had a frozen shoulder that got better years before I started to play the violin. I’ve noticed I hold my shoulders high.. Thanks so much for this class!! Yayyy
I had the exact same problem. And then I started relaxing for real in my right arm YEARS later and that immideately corrected my technique. So just make sure to relax the right arm as it dictates the left arm/hand/fingers too. Focus on relaxing the right side and everything will fall into place 🎉❤
I'm watching your video now. My violin life has always been full of tension, my college professor told me that. But until you accept this, know the cause and try to change, it's a long road.
Great content! Thanks. I also switched“restless” a year ago for the freedom and better sound, and after trying out 10different chin rests and pads I’ve settled on a side mount+cloth combo. But still I have a raised shoulder at times and my fingers press more pressure than my shoulder rest times, to the point my left arm feels sore. I just somehow feel this produces a more focused sound. Still trying to figure out a more relaxed way.
You may want to get a custom chin rest fitting with someone qualified. I had my rest custom selected with the help of Peter Purich in Montreal. I also hear many people consult with Claire Stefani in New York. You might also check out the Kréddle chin rest: ruclips.net/video/38hf54yKzA0/видео.htmlsi=LOa3oAjWGn0Uwvpp
When I put the wood against the bone on the clavicle I feel uncomfortable.I don't have much of a chin. My chin is very small without a lot of space from the chin to the back of the neck which makes it difficult for my chin to rest on the chin rest it just slips off
Yeah? Would people actually like to watch me tell ‘Tales from the Orchestra Pit’ in future videos?? I actually wrote a few blog entries on a few of my orchestra pit stories already! Dropping my violin during Sleeping Beauty, an E string popping during Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland, and a sword dropping in to the pit during Romeo and Juliet! 🗡️ 😳
The use of the legs in Piano playing is important (and nobody seems to know !). Glad you stress that importance. And the famous Jazz trumpeter Dizzie Gillespie would add this (and he is absolutely right) : ruclips.net/video/GU2vhUJmD7Y/видео.html
@@violynnkuo I would also add that I have never met an instrumentalist (certainly not pianists) who was aware of how solid the Abs [ rectus abdominis muscles ] must be to support the upper body. We all neglect to strengthen those muscles. [ rectus abdominis - slung between the ribs and the pubic bone at the front of the pelvis. When contracting, this muscle has the characteristic bumps or bulges that are commonly called 'the six pack'. The main function of the rectus abdominis is to move the body between the ribcage and the pelvis.]. I guess I must now go to exercise :) (By the way, if we misspell 'pianist' to 'painist', there is the word 'pain' that appears !)
@@fredericlinden I would say that more important than the rectus abdominus are the deeper core muscles that are used to support posture and stability. These muscles are targeted in Pilates training, for example, and can help alleviate the more surface muscles from doing the job of BOTH supporting the body/posture AND trying to execute playing movements.
because the flexibility of fascia different , so to do the same motion , violin player with the better fascia flexiblity use less muscle fibers , so looks more relax, VICE VERSA due to most pro violin players start to learn violin since they are very young kids, so most of them had no difficulty of fasica flexibility, that is why they have the same thinking as you
I has same oral problem 25 yrs ago, when I was 30yrs old. (i am 55 now) I saw lots dentists, (include two speicalist in TW)(actully my brother in law is DDS ＆specallist teaching in Columbia University NYC) still can solve this problem until I realized Fascia things , and I cured myself( My undergrauate degree is Plant Pathology , doctor of plants ^^)
so your logic is totally wrong! think most violin beginners have no muscle injury , why do their muscle can not relex? espeically adult! dont' tell me most adults dont' know try to use awareness to correct this problem, why don't they still can not solve they problem? So the sicrete is fascia not muscle as my last rely wrote, becasue most pro player with better fascia flexibity , they can use less muscle fiber to play violin with the motion they want according to THE SECOND Newton's LOW OF MOTION F=MA the players with less tight fascia , they need less F to do the same motion, so they can use less muscle fibers(less muscle power) to play violin, so that's why you fell you can use your wareness to concor your problem vice versa think about if your injury is not cure, can you still use your wareness to solve your violin playing troulbe so I strong recommand you to change the title of this vedio to for player after injury or a player with injury like most pro violin player & teacher, your thid kind of idea is not works for student without such so soft fascia as yours.
that's why alexsander system 's introduction video most for kids| ruclips.net/video/p2aIjDF_hiA/видео.htmlsi=ofeVAGSfBu-Vn-_1 however, un Fortunately it have been wrongfully teached for adults, even adults feel better, after alexsander system, howver most adult violin beginner still can not really solve their music instrument playing difficulty after such kind of system
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Thanks dear Lynn , very informative and inspiring
You are so welcome, Jean!
I love the Ground Neutral concept. My teacher Victor Sazer promoted what he called seated "boxer balance", being so balanced and grounded so as to be able to have a boxing match while seated. It is literally the foundation of playing without pain.
That’s fantastic too, Caroline! Thanks so much for sharing that!
I raised my Kun shoulder rest 1 year ago thinking I was creating a better plane for playing on my E string. What a dumb thing to do. I’ve struggled with a terrible neck injury and muscle spasms since then. I’ve seen doctors, physical therapists and an upper cervical chiropractor. I even tried muscle relaxants and heat therapy, which did help. Finally 1 year later it is much better, but still present at times. Now I use a very low Playon Air shoulder rest and I’m switching to a 7/8 violin since I have such short arms and small hands. What a difficult journey.
What a struggle you’ve had, Stephan! Wishing you luck in your journey!
It’s is thankfully better. But I will be using your GN techniques to relax from bottom up! I’ve always been a tense player, especially left hand, but getting better.
I had a frozen shoulder that got better years before I started to play the violin. I’ve noticed I hold my shoulders high.. Thanks so much for this class!! Yayyy
You’re very welcome, Susan! I’m glad to hear you experienced improvements in your shoulder!
I had the exact same problem. And then I started relaxing for real in my right arm YEARS later and that immideately corrected my technique. So just make sure to relax the right arm as it dictates the left arm/hand/fingers too. Focus on relaxing the right side and everything will fall into place 🎉❤
That’s great! Yes, when you consciously relax one area of the body, other parts usually follow suit. 👌
Thank you so much!! This was amazing and SO helpful. Just what I needed to hear. :)
I'm happy to hear that my workshop was helpful, Kate!
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Thank you Dr. Lynn. I play cello. All of this GN still applies. I practice in front of a mirror. Tomorrow I’m going shopping for a striped sweater😂
Yay! Happy shopping for a striped sweater, David! 😅 Glad you enjoyed the workshop!
Like this sharing free workshop thanks for tutorial
You are very welcome! Feel free to share!
Excellent video
Very helpful info
Thanks
Glad it was helpful, Scott! I enjoyed giving this workshop!
Thank you very much for this invaluable lecture.
You are very welcome!
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I'm watching your video now. My violin life has always been full of tension, my college professor told me that. But until you accept this, know the cause and try to change, it's a long road.
I hope my workshop gives you some helpful insights, Marco!
wonderful talk! Kato Havas also has a small book on playing relaxed
Oh, thank you! I must check out Ms. Havas' book then! What's the title?
This is such great information! Thank you for this video!
You are so welcome, Tyrone! Feel free to share.
Thank you for sharing the workshop! The sweater lines are a great cue for Ground Neutral!
You’re very welcome, Tom! I’m glad the sweater lines helped illustrate my points!
Amazing content. Thank you very much for this!
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it, Igor! Feel free to share!
@@violynnkuo I certainly will. All the best!
Thank you Dr Lynn. G Ire
You are so welcome! 🙂
Great content! Thanks.
I also switched“restless” a year ago for the freedom and better sound, and after trying out 10different chin rests and pads I’ve settled on a side mount+cloth combo. But still I have a raised shoulder at times and my fingers press more pressure than my shoulder rest times, to the point my left arm feels sore. I just somehow feel this produces a more focused sound. Still trying to figure out a more relaxed way.
Hi Simon, hope the Subtraction Game can be a good reminder for you for your left hand tension!
Appreciate your sharing and your work. ❤agnes from singapore.
Thanks so much, Agnes! 🙏 😊 🎻
I love you my sweet little Hummingbird 🥰 🐦 🥰💃🇨🇦🙏🙏
Jennifer Roig Francoli works with musicians on pain and tension and does has done youtube videos on the subject
Great! This work is so important for so many musicians! We need to spread the word to help more musicians. :)
Very very thankful to you 👍🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
My pleasure!
"Don't press to express!" ❤
Ooh, that’s goood, Caroline! 👌
I have been unable to find a chin rest. I am overweight and a shoulder rest because it goes hurts my jaw. I can figure out what do.
You may want to get a custom chin rest fitting with someone qualified.
I had my rest custom selected with the help of Peter Purich in Montreal. I also hear many people consult with Claire Stefani in New York.
You might also check out the Kréddle chin rest:
ruclips.net/video/38hf54yKzA0/видео.htmlsi=LOa3oAjWGn0Uwvpp
When I put the wood against the bone on the clavicle I feel uncomfortable.I don't have much of a chin. My chin is very small without a lot of space from the chin to the back of the neck which makes it difficult for my chin to rest on the chin rest it just slips off
I hope you’re able to get personal guidance from a teacher or health professional, Deb. Everyone is unique so I hope you can find a solution.
@@violynnkuo thank you very much. I hope too.
Yet we need different shoulder tests for different neck lengths
Apples for my teacher!!!
🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎
Awww, that’s sweet! 😊
Royal Gala 🍎? Honey Crisp? Golden Delicious? 🍏
My tension moves all over my body - when I relax my shoulders or jaw it moves to my feet! It’s like having a wee beastie inside that crawls about.
How curious! But at least you’re aware of it! 👌
"Lots of National Ballet Stories"....sounds like an idea for a new RUclips video! 😀
Yeah? Would people actually like to watch me tell ‘Tales from the Orchestra Pit’ in future videos??
I actually wrote a few blog entries on a few of my orchestra pit stories already!
Dropping my violin during Sleeping Beauty, an E string popping during Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland, and a sword dropping in to the pit during Romeo and Juliet! 🗡️ 😳
The use of the legs in Piano playing is important (and nobody seems to know !). Glad you stress that importance. And the famous Jazz trumpeter Dizzie Gillespie would add this (and he is absolutely right) : ruclips.net/video/GU2vhUJmD7Y/видео.html
Glad you agree, Frederic! Thanks so much for sharing that link!
@@violynnkuo I would also add that I have never met an instrumentalist (certainly not pianists) who was aware of how solid the Abs [ rectus abdominis muscles ] must be to support the upper body. We all neglect to strengthen those muscles. [ rectus abdominis - slung between the ribs and the pubic bone at the front of the pelvis. When contracting, this muscle has the characteristic bumps or bulges that are commonly called 'the six pack'. The main function of the rectus abdominis is to move the body between the ribcage and the pelvis.]. I guess I must now go to exercise :) (By the way, if we misspell 'pianist' to 'painist', there is the word 'pain' that appears !)
@@fredericlinden I would say that more important than the rectus abdominus are the deeper core muscles that are used to support posture and stability. These muscles are targeted in Pilates training, for example, and can help alleviate the more surface muscles from doing the job of BOTH supporting the body/posture AND trying to execute playing movements.
@@violynnkuo Well said !
@@fredericlinden Thank you, Frederic! Cheers!
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No shoulder rest : shoulder tension
For me, yes. However, for others, it’s the opposite: they find it extremely freeing!
@@violynnkuo TQ Dr Lyn
@@raymondtingting6364 you’re welcome, Raymond!
because the flexibility of fascia different , so to do the same motion , violin player with the better fascia flexiblity use less muscle fibers , so looks more relax, VICE VERSA
due to most pro violin players start to learn violin since they are very young kids, so most of them had no difficulty of fasica flexibility, that is why they have the same thinking as you
Thanks for your contribution to this conversation, Teddy!
I got jaw problems, was clenching my jaw , result: my teeth became realigned😂😂sadly one tooth was pushed inside
@@raymondtingting6364 & Lynn Kuo do you read Chinese?
I has same oral problem 25 yrs ago, when I was 30yrs old. (i am 55 now)
I saw lots dentists, (include two speicalist in TW)(actully my brother in law is DDS ＆specallist teaching in Columbia University NYC)
still can solve this problem
until I realized Fascia things , and I cured myself( My undergrauate degree is Plant Pathology , doctor of plants ^^)
@@raymondtingting6364 如果妳可以讀中文字的話 他那個是口腔外科 咬合的問題 我年輕的時候我就曾經有這個問題跟你一樣的問題
不過比你嚴重多了 我那時候突然變得沒有辦法咬東西
他這個屬於牙醫的口腔外科的專科領域
當年為了這個問題我找了2個臺灣當年專門治療這個領域的醫生
其中一個人沒有健保要自費還蠻貴的
總而言之他們這2個醫生的觀念完全不一樣
一個是屬於咬合矯正派的
另外一個是屬於心理治療派的
前者他們那個學派比較認為會有這種咬合認知錯亂的問題
哦我那時候很嚴重就是已經沒有辦法正常的咬東西就是肌肉整個都錯亂了失去控制
是有一天我去看牙醫師然後做根管治療抽神經 犬齒 (那個醫生是我們臺灣最好的醫學院臺大醫學院的老師專門做根管治療的專科醫師)
我覺得應該是他讓我張開嘴巴太久了 因為這個醫生他的習慣很不好因為他的病人實在太多了他太有名了 所以他習慣同時看好幾個病人跑來跑去的這個很不好因為會有感染控管的問題我自己本身是學微生物的我剛剛有講過我是學植物病理學的 總之他就是跑去看別的病人然後讓我嘴巴一直張開等他結果時間太久了
後來他幫我做完治療以後那個治療本身是做得很好
問題是我回到家裡以後我就突然覺得整個嘴巴都怪怪的很不舒服
就整個頭都怪怪的也不是痛也不是養也不是酸
就是整個的位置都不對 總而言之那個時候的我也講不清楚到底怎麼了就是覺得很不舒服
後來我就跑回他的診所跟那個醫生講
他聽我很仔細地講完我的感覺以後
他就跟我說糟糕了我的牙齒咬合好像跑掉了
因為我跟他講的感覺跟他在學校學的完全一樣可是他從來都沒有遇過這種病人過但是就是跟課本講的完全一樣 我剛剛說過這是另外一個專科的範圍是口腔外科這個醫生 他是 在 臺灣大學牙醫系他是教根管治療的完全不一樣
我剛才有提到我的姐夫他是哥倫比亞大學的牙醫博士博士後研究專科醫師不過他也不是說這些他是牙周病專科醫師
結果這個我看的那個醫生就跟我說這個要找專科醫師才能夠治療是口腔外科
所以我後來就找了我剛剛提到的2個醫生
第一個沒有健保還蠻貴的但是我姐夫在哥倫比亞大學的同學的丈夫
然後他那一派主張就是這種問題應該是咬合跑掉了所以他們企圖用咬合矯正的方式來幫你恢復到原來的感覺
好這個我要先解釋一下我剛剛忘記解釋了
就是原來那個臺大的醫生他跟我說我那個應該是咬合跑掉了
他說我們人其實我咬東西是一個反射的動作顏面有6條肌肉然後組合起來讓我們可以咬東西啊其實我們人不可能這麼厲害可以去精確地控制這6條肌肉所以那個是一個反射動作有條件的反射動作
然後這個動作其實他需要一些訊號讓我們的大腦知道還是小腦知道就是我們已經咬到牙齒的邊界不要再繼續往外推然後開始迴轉
所以牙齒都會有一些輕輕的接觸當做一些訊號的點
平常休息的時候牙齒是不會碰到的但是在咬東西的時候他會接觸到然後人會憑著這些感覺肌肉就會知道你已經咬到了適當的位置準備要迴轉
現在知道為什麼我說他是反射動作了吧這不是我們有意識地在控制的
好那個醫生他跟我說應該是那個時候他幫我治療就是犬齒 結果 把那個 訊號點的牙齒位置磨掉然後因為我本身的咬合也不是很好所以肌肉就錯亂了找不到位置
他說這種倒映的牙齒通常都是在犬齒
總之後來我就開始漫長的治療這個問題大概前前後後有兩年的時間一直都沒有辦法解決
muscle ? NO Actually is Fascia
so your logic is totally wrong! think most violin beginners have no muscle injury , why do their muscle can not relex? espeically adult!
dont' tell me most adults dont' know try to use awareness to correct this problem,
why don't they still can not solve they problem?
So the sicrete is fascia not muscle as my last rely wrote, becasue most pro player with better fascia flexibity , they can use less muscle fiber to play violin with the motion they want
according to THE SECOND Newton's LOW OF MOTION F=MA
the players with less tight fascia , they need less F to do the same motion, so they can use less muscle fibers(less muscle power) to play violin, so that's why you fell you can use your wareness to concor your problem
vice versa
think about if your injury is not cure, can you still use your wareness to solve your violin playing troulbe
so I strong recommand you to change the title of this vedio
to for player after injury or a player with injury
like most pro violin player & teacher, your thid kind of idea is not works for student without such so soft fascia as yours.
Awful 'Vocal fry' - can't watch this annoying articulation!
Can’t please everyone. 🤷♀️ Impossible, right Richard? 😅
You have a beautiful voice - very easy to listen and valuable information! Thank you.
@@walterwright1730Thank you, Walter!
I guess everyone hears something different and has different triggers. 🤷♀️
It is an old good song I just heard in these two days.
that's why alexsander system 's introduction video most for kids|
ruclips.net/video/p2aIjDF_hiA/видео.htmlsi=ofeVAGSfBu-Vn-_1
however, un Fortunately it have been wrongfully teached for adults,
even adults feel better, after alexsander system, howver most adult violin beginner still can not really solve their music instrument playing difficulty after such kind of system
Sign up for my next FREE workshop for those of you taking orchestra auditions 🎻:
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