Thank you for discussing the barrel entry proof! Not enough people talk about it and I think it's super important. Hoping I can snag a Michter's BP Rye soon.
Do what you do Fred! I love to hear a little bit more about the whiskey I may be interested in buying instead of just the profile.... You rock Fred!!!!!
Does a lower barrel entry proof thats breaking down those tannins come to maturity quicker? For instance if michters barreled at 125 would that take longer to get to the same profile as does a barrel entry of 103?
Finally found one yesterday and damn is it a great bottle. Mine is 109.4 proof and the sweet transfers to the palate and blends nicely with the spice. Very complex start to finish and the finish goes on forever.
Like the barrel entry proof primer to start off the video. I remember New Riff decided on their 105 entry in order to get the best out of their bourbon once it hit 4 years of age and start hitting the consumer market. Is there a danger to a lower entry proof swinging the other way once the barrels start hitting 10+ years in age? I haven't seen you review the New Riff 8 year as yet, maybe you can point out pros and cons to the lower entry proof approach when you do. Thanks Fred!
@@bryanmacke the more I think about it, the less I see a downside on the consumer end. Michter's 10 and 20 year expressions I assume also begin life at the 103 barrel entry proof. Single barrels of course will vary but there isn't much bad said about them (aside from price and availability 😆) Only the distillery eats more of the cost as they cannot proof down and spread their whiskey further on their end. I think if people understood this lesser talked about point they may not scoff at a higher price/bottle if they knew it hasn't had as much water added to it.
The 10yr whiskeys aren’t Michters distillate tho. Most people say it’s Old Forester I think. I thought the ‘23 M10B tasted like HH juice. Either way it’s not Michters juice so I don’t think the barrel entry proof is nearly that low of 103. Michters started distilling in 2015 I think.
@@bryanmacke true that pretty much everything they put out prior to 2020/2021 has been "contract distilled" to their specs, which was also the case for their core line-up. People familiar with drinking those for a long while have said the recent core releases seem "different", so probably a switch to Michter's made distillate now. The 10 year will still have a few years before that gets switched over once the contracted barrels have all been dumped or deemed destined for the 20. These brands that sourced or contracted who decided to make the move into making their own stuff are gonna have some teething issues to overcome. I was never brand loyal to Michter's or a High West for example but folks that have been accustomed to those flavor profiles over the years certainly pick up on the change.
Just tried this at Fort Nelson this past weekend and got lucky enough to grab one at my local store today! Crazy timing! Fantastic pour in my opinion. Slowly starting to like ryes.
Got lucky and my friend at the package store asked me if I wanted him to hold this bottle for me. I said yes please. Just picked it up. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I have never even seen a Michter's cask strength but at $110 retail I would likely jump on it. To celebrate not being able to find one, I cracked open a Stellum Rye (Whiskey Dic pick) single barrel 116.24 proof. It's pretty good for a rye with a nice sweetness and a drying slightly over-oaked note on the finish, but it's all I got lol! As far as rye goes, I think I like rye better than most bourbon, but for me, a great rye is more of a challenge to locate. I also think ryes in general are more diverse lending to some being to "off" for the masses.
So when you are talking about being over oaked you are talking about the sharp astringent oak notes correct? Because I do not like most toasted or double oaked products because of the cheap crappy popcile stick note! Those are two different things correct? Or can they sort of be along the same lines?
I bought a Michter’s Barrell Strength Rye in early February but it’s 113.4 proof. Does that mean it’s not a 2024 release? If so, any way to figure out the year?
I’ve always thought the difference between bourbon and rye is often subtle. There are MANY 51% ryes, and many high rye bourbons. I don’t understand people who draw that line. It’s just nuts!
Hey Fred! Our group, the Kitsap Whiskey Society is picking single barrels of every American whiskey style and I was wondering if you could help connect us with Jack Daniel’s? We are picking a Journeyman Corset barrel in the next few months for wheat whiskey and are working with Ironroot for their corn whiskey, Hubris. Bourbon - Still Austin, Rye - Woodinville, American Single Malt - Westward Hungarian Oak Cask (first ever single barrel released)
I expected you to address how a lower proof barrel entry affects flavor development/maturation. The volume/bottles-per-barrel is kind of obvious. Also, how does a lower proof entry affect angel's share? I get that that's not an exact science from barrel to barrel. Edit: perhaps you discuss that in the tasting itself. Still watching...
Nice review from start to finish! I really enjoy a good rye whiskey! Any Sagamore, Prideful Goat, RY3, T H Handy, Michters 10yr, Rare Breed, Pikesville, VO Saint Nick Harvest rye, Jack Daniels twice barreled harvest Rye, wow so many great bottles! Cheers
Some don't like Rye similar to how you don't like Oak. For me I like some Ryes and other I don't. It isn't a branding issue. Catoctin Creek Rye (Good); Jack Daniel SBBP Rye (Great); Basil Hayden Rye (Not for me)
My palate has grown so much. I love and appreciate all whiskeys now, whether its bourbon, rye, Scotch, Irish or even Australian lol
I love the geeky stuff, please keep it coming
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Just picked this bottle 30 min ago. Glad you put your video out today. Thanks for the geeky stuff
My pleasure!
I’ve always been a huge rye fan and Michter’s makes some of the best. Especially their cask strength. Great video and info on the entry proof. Thanks!
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thanks for all the extra information and edumacation
Never had the cask strength but the ‘23 Michter’s 10 year rye was sublime.
The geeky stuff differentiates you from many, many others. It is why I watch. Keep it coming.
Thank you for discussing the barrel entry proof! Not enough people talk about it and I think it's super important. Hoping I can snag a Michter's BP Rye soon.
Do what you do Fred! I love to hear a little bit more about the whiskey I may be interested in buying instead of just the profile....
You rock Fred!!!!!
Here for the whiskey, stay for the geeky stuff 🤘🥃🥃
I enjoy the history and geeky stuff. Do more.
Does a lower barrel entry proof thats breaking down those tannins come to maturity quicker?
For instance if michters barreled at 125 would that take longer to get to the same profile as does a barrel entry of 103?
Finally found one yesterday and damn is it a great bottle. Mine is 109.4 proof and the sweet transfers to the palate and blends nicely with the spice. Very complex start to finish and the finish goes on forever.
Awesome managed to get a bottle of this a couple of weeks ago, love the geeky stuff!
Like the barrel entry proof primer to start off the video. I remember New Riff decided on their 105 entry in order to get the best out of their bourbon once it hit 4 years of age and start hitting the consumer market. Is there a danger to a lower entry proof swinging the other way once the barrels start hitting 10+ years in age? I haven't seen you review the New Riff 8 year as yet, maybe you can point out pros and cons to the lower entry proof approach when you do.
Thanks Fred!
good question. never thought of that. would be very interesting to try tho
@@bryanmacke the more I think about it, the less I see a downside on the consumer end. Michter's 10 and 20 year expressions I assume also begin life at the 103 barrel entry proof. Single barrels of course will vary but there isn't much bad said about them (aside from price and availability 😆) Only the distillery eats more of the cost as they cannot proof down and spread their whiskey further on their end. I think if people understood this lesser talked about point they may not scoff at a higher price/bottle if they knew it hasn't had as much water added to it.
The 10yr whiskeys aren’t Michters distillate tho. Most people say it’s Old Forester I think. I thought the ‘23 M10B tasted like HH juice. Either way it’s not Michters juice so I don’t think the barrel entry proof is nearly that low of 103. Michters started distilling in 2015 I think.
@@bryanmacke true that pretty much everything they put out prior to 2020/2021 has been "contract distilled" to their specs, which was also the case for their core line-up. People familiar with drinking those for a long while have said the recent core releases seem "different", so probably a switch to Michter's made distillate now. The 10 year will still have a few years before that gets switched over once the contracted barrels have all been dumped or deemed destined for the 20.
These brands that sourced or contracted who decided to make the move into making their own stuff are gonna have some teething issues to overcome. I was never brand loyal to Michter's or a High West for example but folks that have been accustomed to those flavor profiles over the years certainly pick up on the change.
Just tried this at Fort Nelson this past weekend and got lucky enough to grab one at my local store today! Crazy timing!
Fantastic pour in my opinion. Slowly starting to like ryes.
Video and audio quality is awesome!
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Amazing Fred thanks. Found out about you when I heard you on Distiller’s Talk with Alan and Christi. Great show.
They are awesome
Got lucky and my friend at the package store asked me if I wanted him to hold this bottle for me. I said yes please. Just picked it up. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Love anything Michter's I've had, so the geeky part of the video was the best part for me...
Thank you hope I can get a bottle!
I have never even seen a Michter's cask strength but at $110 retail I would likely jump on it. To celebrate not being able to find one, I cracked open a Stellum Rye (Whiskey Dic pick) single barrel 116.24 proof. It's pretty good for a rye with a nice sweetness and a drying slightly over-oaked note on the finish, but it's all I got lol!
As far as rye goes, I think I like rye better than most bourbon, but for me, a great rye is more of a challenge to locate. I also think ryes in general are more diverse lending to some being to "off" for the masses.
So when you are talking about being over oaked you are talking about the sharp astringent oak notes correct? Because I do not like most toasted or double oaked products because of the cheap crappy popcile stick note! Those are two different things correct? Or can they sort of be along the same lines?
I came across a bottle this week. We’ll taste it soon.
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I bought a Michter’s Barrell Strength Rye in early February but it’s 113.4 proof.
Does that mean it’s not a 2024 release? If so, any way to figure out the year?
The year is the first two numbers on the neck label. 23 would be 2023 and 24 would be 2024. The letter that follows is the month that it was bottled.
@@alfredleo6680 Thank you- it’s a ‘21 and is a fantastic bottle.
In the last year, I think I’ve grown to like Rye more than straight bourbon. Which is nuts coming from bardstown.
What about heads-and tails..?
I’ve always thought the difference between bourbon and rye is often subtle. There are MANY 51% ryes, and many high rye bourbons. I don’t understand people who draw that line. It’s just nuts!
I bet this makes it into the top 10 of 2024.
Rye > bourbon in my personal opinion. I started with bourbon, but the spectrum of flavors on rye whiskey is so much greater
Agreed!! Spectacular
I have gave so many ryes a shot and have yet to ever find one that does not taste like pine needles or mint
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Thanks for the geeky stuff. I enjoy your flavor profile but to understand what makes the whiskey taste like it taste is your specialty.
Cheers 🎉
Hey Fred! Our group, the Kitsap Whiskey Society is picking single barrels of every American whiskey style and I was wondering if you could help connect us with Jack Daniel’s? We are picking a Journeyman Corset barrel in the next few months for wheat whiskey and are working with Ironroot for their corn whiskey, Hubris. Bourbon - Still Austin, Rye - Woodinville, American Single Malt - Westward Hungarian Oak Cask (first ever single barrel released)
I expected you to address how a lower proof barrel entry affects flavor development/maturation. The volume/bottles-per-barrel is kind of obvious. Also, how does a lower proof entry affect angel's share? I get that that's not an exact science from barrel to barrel. Edit: perhaps you discuss that in the tasting itself. Still watching...
There is an article I wrote in description that covers this in detail:-)
Never see them but I would certainly pay 110 for it if I ever see it.
I just saw one this week but I think they were asking $600. They are certainly rare….
Found mine for 116 today 😬 insta buy ! Usually see them for 350+
Nice review from start to finish! I really enjoy a good rye whiskey! Any Sagamore, Prideful Goat, RY3, T H Handy, Michters 10yr, Rare Breed, Pikesville, VO Saint Nick Harvest rye, Jack Daniels twice barreled harvest Rye, wow so many great bottles! Cheers
Penelope has an amazing barrel strength toasted rye...let everyone sleep on rye please.
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So once again I knew what to get and damned if I didn’t walk away..ugh..
This kills the 10 year Rye no comparison for the price point
After a number of years..Too much oak..
Bingo
Some don't like Rye similar to how you don't like Oak. For me I like some Ryes and other I don't. It isn't a branding issue.
Catoctin Creek Rye (Good); Jack Daniel SBBP Rye (Great); Basil Hayden Rye (Not for me)
There’s Rye that’s so much better!
@@christinecamley yrue
sorry… several pours in… true
That being said I’m really getting tired of $100 whiskey. It ain’t worth it almost never.
Sip on any bookers batch and let me know if you still think so
@justintime707 Bookers especially isn't worth it. Any Bookers batch I have ever had isn't worth the price.