Don't forget that Phenex is also a demon from Ars Goetia, it is possible that the first Pyro Archon (Phenex) made a contract with Murata (Aim) to possesses his/her power of resurrection.
@@tiefblau2780dont listen to others bro its a good take since diluc lineages is phoenix and maybe just maybe the original ragnvindr is the true son of Murata with native monstadt
Some stuff about Natlan from 3.6 and 4.1: After Baizhu quest we can check the note on doors of family house which is going to visit Natlan to heal dad because there should be some medical herbs that not described in any books. Also Fortress of Meropid administrator wish to take a vacation in Natlan. It is very weird that its a nation of war where not only inner population NOT trying to run away from war "ravaging like undying flame", just like some people from Inazuma because of civil war and Sakoku decree, but outer visitors wanting to visit it as a resort. I wonder what does kind of "war" meaning....
Natlan could be a Tropical place like the south and central america, based on the reigions its based on. Witch this reigion is also famous for its tourism and beauty , so we could see slmething like the pacific ring of fire
@@dinsquidtm6576 Agreed. And I really hope Hoyo will do unique terraforming, like in Patagonia. I really want to visit this place at least in Genshin. So miracle location.
Or taking to heart the phrase "the worst enemy of a latino is another latino" hahaha, and normally in the country's natlan is based on, having an awesome welcome for people from another countries
Controlled war? or well it's only in certain parts like Inazuma that you mentioned. One of the few things we know about Natlan is that they have natural hotsprings.
Nahida was more like a tree. Cutting lose a part of itself so it can grow again, while the source dies. Resurrection would mean coming back as a whole, so no lost memories and not losing all her powers. Also, can't see the nation known for war would have an archon that loses all her powers now and then.
@@arthena2130 I particuarly did't use the word ressurection on purpose and put both died and reborn in quotes because they don't strictly define her circumstances, so I use them quite loosely. I understand her being a twig from the tree, I'm not denying that. I'm more referring to Rukka expending all her power and Nahida being found in her place. I watched an interesting theory of 'reverse growth' that i forgot who made, maybe Wei? Anyway it was really interesting and this reminded me of it.
@@azahel542 I mean, Wei could convince me that I'm not actually human, but that's besides the point. Whether she is or isn't the theory itself was an interesting one, I recommend you watch it. For the ridiculous editing if nothing else.
I saw a theory saying that "Murata" or the Pyro Archon's title may be something that changes a lot, with the title and the name being passed to the one who wins at the Ring of Fire. May be the whole fighting thing in Natlan refers to the way the Archon is choosen :0 .. that also made me go 🤯🤯
I heard that too and it makes perfect sense. The tribes wouldn't want to leave because they are fighting for the Archon seat or something like that. Also it makes sense there are Muratans tribe, and not everyone in Natlan is Muratan. If it were for Murata to reincarnate over and over again as herself it wouldn't make much sense. Also I love the idea of a coliseum type of war, that would also explain why it's "safe" for foreigners visiting, since their war is sort of organized as a tourney.
@@Yuh_uh_uh but then there would exist a "Tsaritsans tribe", which doesn't make much sense from what we saw on the manga with the Muratans. Imo Murata it's not a title but the name of a previous archon
There's another thing everyone is not mentioning. The fatui harbingers are loosely (very, very loosely) counterparts of the archtypes in italian comedy opera, or "Commedia dell'arte". Capitano, as described in the opera, is a spanish so called conquistador (If Natlan = Aztec culture, that raised some questions) who presumes to be a strong, fenomenal warrior but it's all a lie, it's all bravado, he's a weak, coward cheater, a liar and a scoundrel. I don't think that's exactly the case, but Capitano may cheat (Fatui NEVER play fair, none of them have) to win a death match against the archon and we resurect her to do a rematch and she ends up killing capitano, granting us the gnosis and a way to travel to Schent... Schenzt... Rusia.
Yeah since the traveller will eventually fight celestia, its possible that we'll be the harbinger #10 as a title in snezchnaya if there is actually no #10 harbinger @@some_one00
He could be like constant from HCLW, a character that lies to the world itself, like if he was hit by an attack a then he says the he wasn't the attack is nulified.
A few things on Murata: 1. It's never said all the old archons died during the cataclysm, if anything it's weird that all of them so far did. With exceptions of Venti and Zhongli they've all been replaced by now meaning any time between the formation 2000+ years ago and cataclysm when the last switch, Nahida, happened. 2. Children of Murata to my knowledge were never said to be a tribe, closer to a race. 3. Vannessa's tribe for unknown reasons left Natlan generations ago and at least Vannessa herself was clearly prioritizing survival, which would explain why worship of Murata didn't get passed on. 4. All we know about Murata for certain is that she was alive 1000+ years ago and that she is one of the pyro archons, it's impossible to tell if she's the current one or not.
I seriously think that Murata is already dead, considering how her own tribe the Muratans dont even know much about her and theyre not even on their own nation. So like on oceanids case on how they left their nation after the death of Egeria same can be said about Muratans, they left their nation after the death of Murata.
I also thinks that Natlanians threat War as type of “Olympic” Game. We had Judicial system treated as a entertainment and Knowledge as a resource already. All the npcs that we had so far talks about Natlan much more as a summer camp than a place jn a middle of a war. We also had war in Inazuma so I think they treat war as a specie of tournament since the way Neuvilette says that Capitano “throw his hat” sounds much more that he is entering an Olympics than in the middle of a war… we also had Venti saying in the Manga like if it was a Tournament
Hmm, we’re usually told about the next nation with some relevant information. Before we even get into Mondstadt’s City, we encounter both Venti and Dvalin. They were both key figures in Mondstadt’s Archon Quest. Venti told us about Liyue’s yearly Rite of Descension. This ritual is meant to direct Liyue for the rest of the year. In Liyue, Zhongli sabotaged the Rite of Descension to test the humans to see if they’re ready for a future of Liyue without their Archon. Zhongli tells us that Inazuma is closed due to its Vision Hunt Decree issued by its Archon. Zhongli then assumes that this Decree was issued because of the Archon’s ideal of Eternity. All of this turns out to be the case. Yae tells us about Sumeru, “where the quest for wisdom and knowledge is never-ending.” “Their obsession gives rise to some truly inexplicable things.” Knowledge is managed as a resource, and is unaware if this is the sages idea or Lesser Lord Kusanali’s. The name “Lesser Lord Kusanali” is their chosen term of endearment for her. In Sumeru, we learn that the sages have locked up their deity, and plan to use Divine Knowledge Capsules to create their own deity, which is rather inexplicable. Nahida tells us that the archon doesn’t judge people, but rather the Chief Justice. However Furina will still be present at just about every trial, “it seems she likes to immerse herself in that sort of atmosphere.” As an archon, she still reserves the right to influence the final verdict. She has a very unique personality. …. Now, since we’ve just recently completed Fontaine, I’m pretty sure I don’t need to give you a recap, and you can already see all of the hints. Now! Time for Natlan Hints! Neuvillette tells us that Natlan is a nation of dragons, not like the ancient dragons however. They have undergone long years of development and evolution. Large numbers of them have entered a form of coexistence with humanity. Natlan is also the nation of “war”, which ravages the lands like an undying flame. The Captain will be in Natlan and has joined in the endless ring of war. From these hints, I’d like to point out the mentions of War and The Captain. When he says that War ravages the lands like and undying flame, I wonder if he meant the aftermath of War (The Cataclysm and/or Archon War? Maybe even the aftermath of the Divine Nail?) This could be the undying flame that ravages the lands. And the Harbingers main goal is obtaining the Gnoses, so the Captain joining in on this War has to have some connection with the Pyro Gnosis. I mean, the Gnosis could even be the “war” in question that ravages the land. Now, the Dragons. This is the first time a Nations unique species was mentioned beforehand. No one mentioned the Adepti, Yokai, Aranara, or Melusines. All of these unique races have been part of their nations for a lengthy period of time. So, these Dragons are a key element to the Natlan Archon Quest. … I wonder if their coexistence with humanity will be questioned? There is one strange thing about these hints … or lack of, to be more precise. No mention of the Archon, even in the slightest. This is lack of info is even slightly hinted at the fact that the Harbinger isn’t going to the Archon directly, but instead … throwing his hat in the endless ring of war? As strange as it is, Natlan’s Archon … might not be the main focus of the Archon Quest? Since she is the Archon, she’ll definitely show up somewhere, but this does highlight a rather interesting topic. We know that new Archons have the same ideal as the OG Archon, but it’s their own unique perception of the ideal. Whether Murata is the OG Seven who reincarnates, for whatever reason, she isn’t labeled as an OG upon reincarnation … so either this reincarnation changes her a significant amount that she just cannot be considered the same Archon. Or upon each reincarnation, Murata perceives her ideal in a different light. … multiple tribes with their own set of rules … is it possible that each tribe was started off with a new Murata?
Two other interesting theories, it was said that if you are born on natlan and leave you will be cursed with bad luck, and look at the naltlan character on the trailer, does she look like someone coff coff Benny coff coff Other interesting theory is that Capitano is one of the Boreas Knights but this one doesn't have a lot of bases other than his encounter with Varka.
@@Jovidiol I keep on hearing about that bad luck thing. A Native Natlan being cursed with bad luck upon leaving Natlan? Where did this come from??? I’ve yet to hear of this in game, or anywhere from the game. And if this is true, then are there variations of this bad luck, because if Benny is suffering from this curse, then Vanessa and her tribe should be suffering from this curse as well, yet we don’t hear about Vanessa getting struck with lightning on a daily basis, or the ground breaking apart below her very feet once a week. … if this curse is true however … and there are indeed different strengths of this curse … I wonder if this curse is also applied to the Archon? And they suffer this curse the most severely … ok, I’m so not ready to make a “Bennett is the Pyro Archon” theory right now, I’ll start getting serious about it during the next update (-_-)
@@TinkRomero I agree with you when you talk about Benny beinging the Pyro archon I think this is a good joke the It's getting boring people at each nation talking about true and false archon, like It's cool when there are made theories about the archon but not like thins. About the bad luck I'm not sure because I don't play a lot, but I think It was a Liben dialogue.
@@Jovidiol I looked into the bad luck curse thing. It’s apparently just a very popular theory to explain why we haven’t met anyone from Natlan. I guess people are deciding to accept the theory as correct and just move on until we get more actual info. As far as the legitimacy of this theory goes … it doesn’t make sense. The only confirmation we have about this curse would be from Vanessa and her tribe, they suffered due to Tyrants, but they ended up getting through those terrible times 1000 years ago. Bennett suffers from severe bad luck, no one is intentionally hurting him. (Even the few people who are frustrated at Bennett because of his luck are just minor disputes that Bennett gets through.) If this curse of Bad Luck was true … then the entirety of Vanessa’s Tribe would’ve been suffering from much much more. And Vanessa’s reputation would’ve been similar to Bennett’s. Plus, if this curse was a thing, then Venti would’ve surely shared it with Vanessa. Now … we don’t know if the Pyro Archon 1000 years ago is still alive or not, so this Bad Luck Curse could be something more recent (if it is real). This would indicate that the death of the previous Archon, or birth of the current Archon have something to do with the curse. However … I really don’t think there’s a curse, like I explained earlier, the curse is just a fan theory to explain the lack of Natlan NPC’s, however the reasoning for it could be much more simpler. Natlan’s People don’t want to leave Natlan. Natlan has tribes, not necessarily cities that one can live in and continue on with their lives. Natlan is a nation where a home is a place you earn, not a place you find. If Natlan People leave the nation to another for curiosity’s sake or other reason, this could be seen as one’s desire to leave their tribe and would very likely be forced upon the individual. If you are exiled from your tribe, you have to earn yourself a new home. For an exile, they are banned from the tribe, not the nation. They could probably find a new tribe to earn their place in, or … maybe even make a new tribe (this might be the real reason why there are 6 tribes in Natlan, simply put, everyone has their own perspective on earning their place, and one of the Tribes will agree to this perspective.) A Natlan Person would only go to another Nation for 2 reasons, it’s for the benefit of their tribe (so it would only be temporary, and they would’ve very likely gained permission to go with complete expectation of their return.). Or to earn a home, in which case, they would’ve very likely joined a self-sufficient group that they feel they could rightfully earn their place among. …. This brings up the question of Vanessa’s Tribe being in Mondstadt though? … was their an expectation of return, or were they earning themselves a new home? (This would mean that Vanessa’s Tribe didn’t wish to live amongst Natlan anymore, or that expectation of return was broken and therefore were immediately exiled … and why would anyone inform the exiled in another nation that they’ve been exiled?) This also means that Natlan is not closed off to other nations! Just respect their ways and don’t break their rules.
Really great that you changed your channel to these lore videos. Always love to hear new perspectives. And im really curious to see just how busted Capitano will be. The fact that they decided to send him to fight his way to the gnosis leads me to believe he is on par with most Archons and probably hold his own against even Neuvillete.
Archons, maybe Neuvillete, nope Neuvillete regained the full hydro authority, he's a sovereign, a being that clashes with the primordial one for 40 years straight
@Gaeshiete so does that mean Otter Man might even be more powerful than Apep? Who is the only other sovereign and the only original sovereign to remain? I am saying this cause Apep doesn't have authority over Dendro anymore and is still salty about it Edit: Also I just realised. I wonder what would happen if the two would meet somehow. Will Apep just reject him like everyone else or will she allow him a conversation?
@@josevictorionunez9312 Neuvillette has a full sovereign authority as the Hydro Throne shattered, and the 7 became the 6 The Dendro throne still exists, Apeps power is stolen Summary: Neuvillette > Apep I just wrote that out and gave up halfway to try and sound smart lmfao
@@josevictorionunez9312 I'm pretty sure Apep dislikes Neuvillette, and Neuvillette kinda never wants to go to meet them, and his voice like ABT the desert is also funny lmao
@@Gaeshiete bro neuvi himself said that the dragons in natlan are no match for him even when he has regained his powers and if capitano was send there knowing that then he must be really godamn powerful enough to take on neuvi easy enough
Seeing as how Natlan will based on Meso American lore, I think that your theory about the Phoenix is very possible. “Quetzalcóatl was revered as the patron of priests, the inventor of the calendar and of books, and the protector of goldsmiths and other craftsmen; he was also identified with the planet Venus. As the morning and evening star, Quetzalcóatl was the symbol of death and resurrection. With his companion Xolotl, a dog-headed god, he was said to have descended to the underground hell of Mictlan to gather the bones of the ancient dead. Those bones he anointed with his own blood, giving birth to the men who inhabit the present universe.”
You forgot to mention the ‘talking stick’ is Natlan weapon, and in addition to the video, Neuvillette said Natlan are people with some Dragon-like features. My head canon is that Vanessa resembled the pyro archon in appearance for Venti. Although, Venti did say Murata is obnoxious in the manga. I’m sure Venti had a crush on Murata but couldn’t tell her.
Neuvillette said Natlan is nation of dragons so humans live together with dragons. He didnt say they would have dragon-like features but ofc that is possible too. And about Venti.. yeah thats just your own head canon lmao.
@@sonjab.6852Speaking of them both: I play from 3.2, but I heard from some sources that there was a limited event where some books told us that people of Mondstadt and Natlan have friendly military competition games and they exchanged with culture, thus happened after Vanessa took down the Laurance clan. Cannot confirm is it cannon however since Vent describes Murata on equal way as Zhong Li, Anemo and Pyro Archons should had some close relationship, I mean friendship of cource. My personal guess and mini theory: they befriended because they have something similar, e.g. they both overtook their predecessors or gained Archon status by force.
what are you yapping abt bro 💀 straight ppl are weird. you guys say to not ship every same sex characters in game but ship any male x female characters 💀💀 did you read the lore with your eyes up your ass
I would like to add on raiden demon name part. Her lore does not follow her own demon name but her sister's makoto which is baal a demon with 3 heads which can be interpreted as makoto, raiden and raiden puppet as 3 head of the same body since the sisters are twin and her puppet is her copy so.
Amazing theory! This also explains how the archon will die but the new archon will become playable and technically the same but different as the old archon.
Natlan will be based on Aztlan and its migration. Aztlan aka the Aztecs consists of 7 tribes that used to live separately in the place of 7 caves the Chicomoztoc. But, they all went to set out and migrate south that's when they all united and became Aztlan. Aztlan consists of the Xochimilca, Tlahuica, Acolhua, Tlaxcalteca, Tepaneca, Chalca, and Mexica. Aztlan means "The Place of White Herons/ Egrets" Some Aztlan Gods go way back to Mayan and Olmec era. So we might even get Gods from Mayan and Olmec era. They settled in Lake Texcoco used to be called the Metztliapan aka Lake of the Moon. Another moon reference in which we've seen Liyue, and Mondstadt. There's been a lot of theories that the Pyro Archon is white and related to resurrection. (Based on this) She's dead and will revive herself. She'll die and protect her people. She's a Phoenix. (And this) But, there is one God in Aztlan myth associated with being White and is sometimes the Symbol of Death and Resurrection. Quetzalcoatl the Feathered Serpent also known as the God of Civilization and Order. A serpent as we've seen in game and in our mythologies are a type of Dragon. He also used his own blood to create his people making them apart of him. So Murata's secret might be that she is a Sovereign, she's not a God of "War" but Civilization and Order, and she knows about the creation of Teyvat. I wish to type more about Quetzalcoatl, but there's too much info like it's better to research. But, here start with the: - Rivalry between Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca - God of War Huitzilopochtli (Strongest Aztec God) - Lords of the Night - Five Suns (Creation Myth) will help a lot.
Whoever It is between Himeko or fu hua the only thing we all truly care about it's just to see it and enjoy it ourself But I'd still bet on Himeko to be the pyro archon tho
we hawe to remember that Natlan is so far behind evryone 😅 (how much ? ) well take this when Sneznaya was creating evil guys Natlan was still living in caves
I'm thinking that if current pyro archon is a Kiana counterpart (such as Raiden Ei is a counterpart to Mei from HI3), and the previous archon was some himeko who died to save her, it would be kinda lit
We already saw Kiana as the Sustainer. Himeko might show up as the Pyro Archon, but knowing Hoyo, they'll just pull a Final Lesson on our gambling addicted asses.
It could be inazuma part 2, stuck in a cival war ig or just Some arcon is there but is in secret like nahida was or maybe there is a war to become an arcon of pyro.
I have a question and a theory: 1) We are good friends with Neuvillette, a dragon sovereign. Could we not just. Talk to him about the other dragon sovereigns, and get information about the archon this way? 2) My theory is that Murata has been in a continual war to find her successor. She doesn’t want the title anymore, she is tired and wants to give up the archon title much like Zhongli wanted to sign a contract to end all contracts. But, she believes in the rules of war and wants to maintain her integrity as the Archon of War. She doesn’t want just anyone to be her successor, she wants someone whose heart blazes with the warmth of a fair, hard-fought battle. In line with this, perhaps she called for a contest of sorts that prevented the people of Natlan from wanting to leave. Perhaps she he believes the people of Natlan to be the strongest there is. Almost as if she’s thinking “if my people can’t defeat me, no one can.” “Archon status” as the ultimate prize in a nation that cares a great deal about war and most likely the spoils that come from victory?? I would want to stay, and make it my life’s mission to train my way to fight my leader if I were a Natlan inhabitant. So when Capitano comes waltzing in, mucking up all her subordinates and wreaking havoc on the competitor, Murata must be so excited but maybe melancholy. This would depend on if Capitano is originally from Natlan or not (I’m not sure about this one). But I get the feeling that when the traveler comes knocking on Murata’s door looking to enter the competition, that’s going to stir up some drama… especially if we defeat her 🤯
I guess Murata was killed by Captaino. The Pyro Gnosis resonate in her soul and fire consume her body become Pyro Archon itself (New Pyro Archon). This is crazy but what if Pyro Gnosis will turn traveler to pyro archon 😅 I'm excited to get Captaino in banner.
OH MY GOD YES THANK YOU WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT A GNOSIS REALLY ACTUALLY DOES TO SOMEONES POWERS OTHER THAN IT STRENGTHENS THOSE POWERS NATLAN IS THE PERFECT PLACE TO SHOW JUST WHAT THAT STRENGTHENING ENTIALS
Varka said capitano can kill ruin guards with Klee's crayon.. but never beat travellers feat beating Ei with dull blade. You know it's Klee's crayon .. certainly it will blow the ruin guard into smithereens
In HSR they gave siblings wings and a halo, so if people in Natlan have dragon like features I’m kind of wondering if the people of Natlan will fly or something. That’d be awesome.
This theory really makes sense and if the traveller suggests to hand over the gnosis by himself to cryo archon at the end of Natlan story arc it'll really be quite a cliffhanger to witness 😱
i'm already imagining the traveler finally using the power of a gnosis to fight the fatui, but once we do that we slowly discover the REAL truth behind them and their connection to celestia I might even go far and say that the fatui aren't actually bad and the cryo archon is an anti-hero but that is just speculation based on the teyvat chapter storyline
I feel like the Pyro Archon will have some reference with some Aztec's god rather than a Phoenix (since it feels too obvious to be true). I am sure there's a bunch of them that are related to both fire and rebirth.
im guessing she's somehow a phoenix due to the 'resurrection' and firery nature of a phoenix. and there's been a relation btwn dragons and phoenix in some lores
Slimes in Jenshin Impek are representing their Elemental Archons le Pyro Slimes : *exploded 💥 le Lady Murata : Never LEEET YOU GOOO 🎶 That's why i did them all 🎶 For a chance at least 🎶 To live in YOUR WAAAY 🎶💀
There's a demon in Ars Goetia that may also be Murata's demon name: Phenex. Yes, similar to phoenix. Phenex is a great maquis of Hell which looks similar to a phoenix and has a child's voice. Primarily, he kinda of looo like a peaceful demon for me. But further reading his/her abilities, Pheenx has control on any fire related abilities or pyrokinesis. He can also turn to humanoid form and with his drmonic self, he can easily absorb martial arts teachings and abilities.
personally I believe the tsaritsa and murata are from the same generation of archon. not an OG but they're been archons for atleast 1,000 years MINIMUM
I agree with your speculation. But there is one thing what bothers me. If we take a look at the Harbingers' constellation wheel, at the bottom from Childe we exactly fought every Harbinger in that order. Childe, Signora, Scaramouche, and now in Fontaine we will fight with Arlecchino too, and now it is very certain that her constellation is the Hand of Glory. And my point is, that we will fight Capitano next in Natlan. But, there is that Dove constellation between him and hers, which represents Collumbina. Does it mean we may fight with her too in Natlan?
Pretty interesting for sure. That its why agter 4.6 banner im goona start saving for the pyro archon and her constellations. Im sure she will be insanely good /like all archons are YES INCLUDING VENTI his amazing if u know how to play him
Haha yes very well, the Archon of Pyro. An intriguing concept the Pheonix, oddly non related to such a title but perhaps it will be in game. I have doubt but it may be represented differently. The idea of the Pheonix is less the bird and more the multi purpose extent of the Fire. The cleansing or purifying nature is ancient but to us its destructive. It's ritualistic, ceremonial, to be revered- respected and feared. Fire is an element of nature with little taming. Ashing itself though, it's reserved for specific instances as those who have been ashed cannot simply be revived. It is seen as the loser's punishment for over stepping bounds. War is not always through words but truths seen in combat. As for old genshin lore no clue how any will line up, I'd imagine you got it mostly Allright for speculation.
I'm assuming Himeko will not be the Pyro Archon but perhaps something higher, if people worshipped her and did prayers to her she's likely a higher being but I don't know what, maybe one of the shades? I think the cryo archon will be Bronya
You do know all of the gods in Genshin are worshipped and prayed to by their people, right…? That’s literally why they’re gods, they derive their power from the faith of their people.
But if you think about it. It would be very tough to acquire the Gnosis from the Murata cause she practically never dies as she is always reborn. Maybe that's a reason why Fatui needed to send Capitano there.
I'm actually expecting the Pyro nation to be Rome / gladiator style and the Archon be friends?(a bit close) to Barbatos (Venti) for the reason of Alcohol and maybe gambling / betting.
Well Capitano might be Menogias.....the Geo Yaksha....based on how he was dressed and the shape of his face ....Well...you see the Pattern there...The Fatui harbringers are beings from different parts of teyvat not just Sheznaya.....Signora came from Mondstat...that why she was so disgusted by the anemo archon, Scara came from inazuma, Dotore (though not confirmed might came from sumeru), The knave came from fontaine, the jester came from Khanria.....well its not impossible
another theory for the title "ode of resurrections" is that now tsarista has all gnosis (besides pyro) and we know -they are remains of 3rd descender -they are distributed to prevent 3rd descender from possible reviving lots of ppl speculate tsarista is collecting them to revive the third descender and now natlan have the last piece she needs so she might as well send capitano with all gnosis there, get the pyro one, revive 3rd descender or something similiar. and rmb that tsarista is god of love and 3rd descender could be her lover shes trying to revive or sth on that line
Dragon ppl (tribe) vs phoenix ppl (aka “the small bit of muratans” left that probably exceeds 200) . What if its like final fantasy. Two different fire entities fighting , (the children on the dragon sovereign “ifrit” vs the children of “the phoenix Murata”, all for one thing “ifrits gnosis back”. Its a stretch but thats a theory I just came up with. 😅
Well according to what we know they cryo archon and pyro archon died way before cataclysm i think. Venti said how cryo archon used to be friends with cryo archon but she was changed later. and how venti talks about pyro archon as wayward warmongering wretch i do she refers to present archon. so there is high chance that both the changes in cryo and pyro archon may have happened before cataclysm. If that's is then we can get lot of info from pyro and cryo archon. and what if both the new archons knew the truth about something and walked different paths for the og archons? and I think for some reason pyro archon dont want her people to remember her anymore and is hiding in shadow. I dont think I really want some kind of lore drop on fontaine .
Just the thought of Capitano defeated the Pyro archon getting the Gnosis then dueling Traveller and they get the Gnosis so they can talk to Tsaritsa is kinda funny to me
Traveller be like in every Archons Anemo: *Help Archon save his Friend* Geo: *Help Archon save his Nation* Electro: *Save the Nation from their Archon* Dendro: *Save Archon from her Nation* Hydro: *Archon save Traveller* Pyro: *Help Nation resurrect Archon* Cryo: *Help Nation kill their Archon?*
MAY BE dragon archon Murata is already defeated by Pyro Dragon Sovereign and so the lore of hers to the land of Natlan seems vanished. Celestia's intervention might have stopped the Dragon to remake anything of Natlan but so the knowledge of Pyro archon seems forgotten as well. The way Dragon tales of TEYVAT's first days have mingled in storyline of traveller, celestia and abyss occupying the main arcs , this sort of possibility seems befitting. I mean first and foremost we see our first archon venti as a human with a Dragon, then Zhongli and Ei leave the ancient search of history second to the storyline (obv.) and from sumeru to Fontaine. The actualised Dragon foreshadowing of Apep and Nevillette being the Authoritarian Sovereign. Seems like the next step would be catastrophic. Pyro was always genshin's favourite element ( remember those 2021 memes ) they would make it special in terms of Archon quest.
I have a question though... If Natlan's archon is dead.. where do all the pyro visions come from? Is it not from the archons themselves? Unless celestia gives the vision to them
If Natlan has no current archon ruling the nation then who might be the ruler of this nation for the time being? The sovereign dragon of pyro, A harbinger ar a powerful tribe
i rly hope the fire archon getting killed by capitanio will not happen since i would hate to pull for a dead character and play her. it's something i don't like about honkai and i am happy that Genshin doesnt kill there playable characters. and even if she would revive as a different person you would still play the old dead archon. a solution would be either a different outcome or to make the reborn fire archon playable
It's kinda scary that the Traveller is getting more and more aligned with the Fatui in each nation... From getting ass whopped by Signora in Mondstadt to being on good terms with Childe, Scaramouche, Arlecchino, Lyney, Lynette and Ferminet It could be that Aether and Lumine will be in total opposition coz Fatui and Abyss are enemies... And the Fatui is probably thousand times stronger than the Abyss
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Don't forget that Phenex is also a demon from Ars Goetia, it is possible that the first Pyro Archon (Phenex) made a contract with Murata (Aim) to possesses his/her power of resurrection.
I think secretly Fire Archon is Diluc LoL
@@tiefblau2780be srs💀
@@tiefblau2780how's his dad 💀
@@tiefblau2780stop Mr batman is abyss jokers killer not fire archon
@@tiefblau2780dont listen to others bro its a good take since diluc lineages is phoenix and maybe just maybe the original ragnvindr is the true son of Murata with native monstadt
Some stuff about Natlan from 3.6 and 4.1:
After Baizhu quest we can check the note on doors of family house which is going to visit Natlan to heal dad because there should be some medical herbs that not described in any books. Also Fortress of Meropid administrator wish to take a vacation in Natlan. It is very weird that its a nation of war where not only inner population NOT trying to run away from war "ravaging like undying flame", just like some people from Inazuma because of civil war and Sakoku decree, but outer visitors wanting to visit it as a resort. I wonder what does kind of "war" meaning....
Natlan could be a Tropical place like the south and central america, based on the reigions its based on.
Witch this reigion is also famous for its tourism and beauty , so we could see slmething like the pacific ring of fire
@@dinsquidtm6576 Agreed. And I really hope Hoyo will do unique terraforming, like in Patagonia. I really want to visit this place at least in Genshin. So miracle location.
ah yes, Hawaii
Or taking to heart the phrase "the worst enemy of a latino is another latino" hahaha, and normally in the country's natlan is based on, having an awesome welcome for people from another countries
Controlled war? or well it's only in certain parts like Inazuma that you mentioned. One of the few things we know about Natlan is that they have natural hotsprings.
Tbh Nahida is already a perfect example of the cyclical rebirth of a phoenix. Expended her power and 'died' only to be 'reborn' from her own downfall.
Nahida was more like a tree. Cutting lose a part of itself so it can grow again, while the source dies. Resurrection would mean coming back as a whole, so no lost memories and not losing all her powers. Also, can't see the nation known for war would have an archon that loses all her powers now and then.
No, she's a perfect example of stem cutting.
@@arthena2130 I particuarly did't use the word ressurection on purpose and put both died and reborn in quotes because they don't strictly define her circumstances, so I use them quite loosely. I understand her being a twig from the tree, I'm not denying that. I'm more referring to Rukka expending all her power and Nahida being found in her place. I watched an interesting theory of 'reverse growth' that i forgot who made, maybe Wei? Anyway it was really interesting and this reminded me of it.
@@Cajun_Seasoning Nahida is *not* depowered Rukkadevata
@@azahel542 I mean, Wei could convince me that I'm not actually human, but that's besides the point. Whether she is or isn't the theory itself was an interesting one, I recommend you watch it. For the ridiculous editing if nothing else.
I saw a theory saying that "Murata" or the Pyro Archon's title may be something that changes a lot, with the title and the name being passed to the one who wins at the Ring of Fire. May be the whole fighting thing in Natlan refers to the way the Archon is choosen :0 .. that also made me go 🤯🤯
I heard that too and it makes perfect sense. The tribes wouldn't want to leave because they are fighting for the Archon seat or something like that. Also it makes sense there are Muratans tribe, and not everyone in Natlan is Muratan. If it were for Murata to reincarnate over and over again as herself it wouldn't make much sense. Also I love the idea of a coliseum type of war, that would also explain why it's "safe" for foreigners visiting, since their war is sort of organized as a tourney.
Yeah, i waas tghink of that. It prob is cuz Schneznaya has "The Tsaritsa" but we don't know her real name.
@@Yuh_uh_uh but then there would exist a "Tsaritsans tribe", which doesn't make much sense from what we saw on the manga with the Muratans. Imo Murata it's not a title but the name of a previous archon
@@erisofliria true, but i do like that theory
HIMEKOOO
There's another thing everyone is not mentioning. The fatui harbingers are loosely (very, very loosely) counterparts of the archtypes in italian comedy opera, or "Commedia dell'arte". Capitano, as described in the opera, is a spanish so called conquistador (If Natlan = Aztec culture, that raised some questions) who presumes to be a strong, fenomenal warrior but it's all a lie, it's all bravado, he's a weak, coward cheater, a liar and a scoundrel.
I don't think that's exactly the case, but Capitano may cheat (Fatui NEVER play fair, none of them have) to win a death match against the archon and we resurect her to do a rematch and she ends up killing capitano, granting us the gnosis and a way to travel to Schent... Schenzt... Rusia.
He can cheat because there are NO rules on war as chaotic thing.
If that happens(which is very unlikely)it's possible we will get the seat of number 10 harbinger (we always get a special title in each Nation)
Yeah since the traveller will eventually fight celestia, its possible that we'll be the harbinger #10 as a title in snezchnaya if there is actually no #10 harbinger @@some_one00
He could be like constant from HCLW, a character that lies to the world itself, like if he was hit by an attack a then he says the he wasn't the attack is nulified.
@@some_one00 that would be crazy actually, and would thus grant us easy access to the next nation
A few things on Murata:
1. It's never said all the old archons died during the cataclysm, if anything it's weird that all of them so far did. With exceptions of Venti and Zhongli they've all been replaced by now meaning any time between the formation 2000+ years ago and cataclysm when the last switch, Nahida, happened.
2. Children of Murata to my knowledge were never said to be a tribe, closer to a race.
3. Vannessa's tribe for unknown reasons left Natlan generations ago and at least Vannessa herself was clearly prioritizing survival, which would explain why worship of Murata didn't get passed on.
4. All we know about Murata for certain is that she was alive 1000+ years ago and that she is one of the pyro archons, it's impossible to tell if she's the current one or not.
Makoto, Egeria and Rukkhadevata all died during the catalysm
I seriously think that Murata is already dead, considering how her own tribe the Muratans dont even know much about her and theyre not even on their own nation. So like on oceanids case on how they left their nation after the death of Egeria same can be said about Muratans, they left their nation after the death of Murata.
I also thinks that Natlanians threat War as type of “Olympic” Game. We had Judicial system treated as a entertainment and Knowledge as a resource already. All the npcs that we had so far talks about Natlan much more as a summer camp than a place jn a middle of a war. We also had war in Inazuma so I think they treat war as a specie of tournament since the way Neuvilette says that Capitano “throw his hat” sounds much more that he is entering an Olympics than in the middle of a war… we also had Venti saying in the Manga like if it was a Tournament
This is interesting and knowing how Genshin is and has been so far, this could be very likely
Hmm, we’re usually told about the next nation with some relevant information.
Before we even get into Mondstadt’s City, we encounter both Venti and Dvalin. They were both key figures in Mondstadt’s Archon Quest.
Venti told us about Liyue’s yearly Rite of Descension. This ritual is meant to direct Liyue for the rest of the year. In Liyue, Zhongli sabotaged the Rite of Descension to test the humans to see if they’re ready for a future of Liyue without their Archon.
Zhongli tells us that Inazuma is closed due to its Vision Hunt Decree issued by its Archon. Zhongli then assumes that this Decree was issued because of the Archon’s ideal of Eternity. All of this turns out to be the case.
Yae tells us about Sumeru, “where the quest for wisdom and knowledge is never-ending.” “Their obsession gives rise to some truly inexplicable things.” Knowledge is managed as a resource, and is unaware if this is the sages idea or Lesser Lord Kusanali’s. The name “Lesser Lord Kusanali” is their chosen term of endearment for her. In Sumeru, we learn that the sages have locked up their deity, and plan to use Divine Knowledge Capsules to create their own deity, which is rather inexplicable.
Nahida tells us that the archon doesn’t judge people, but rather the Chief Justice. However Furina will still be present at just about every trial, “it seems she likes to immerse herself in that sort of atmosphere.” As an archon, she still reserves the right to influence the final verdict. She has a very unique personality. …. Now, since we’ve just recently completed Fontaine, I’m pretty sure I don’t need to give you a recap, and you can already see all of the hints.
Now! Time for Natlan Hints!
Neuvillette tells us that Natlan is a nation of dragons, not like the ancient dragons however. They have undergone long years of development and evolution. Large numbers of them have entered a form of coexistence with humanity. Natlan is also the nation of “war”, which ravages the lands like an undying flame. The Captain will be in Natlan and has joined in the endless ring of war.
From these hints, I’d like to point out the mentions of War and The Captain. When he says that War ravages the lands like and undying flame, I wonder if he meant the aftermath of War (The Cataclysm and/or Archon War? Maybe even the aftermath of the Divine Nail?)
This could be the undying flame that ravages the lands. And the Harbingers main goal is obtaining the Gnoses, so the Captain joining in on this War has to have some connection with the Pyro Gnosis. I mean, the Gnosis could even be the “war” in question that ravages the land.
Now, the Dragons. This is the first time a Nations unique species was mentioned beforehand. No one mentioned the Adepti, Yokai, Aranara, or Melusines. All of these unique races have been part of their nations for a lengthy period of time.
So, these Dragons are a key element to the Natlan Archon Quest. … I wonder if their coexistence with humanity will be questioned?
There is one strange thing about these hints … or lack of, to be more precise. No mention of the Archon, even in the slightest. This is lack of info is even slightly hinted at the fact that the Harbinger isn’t going to the Archon directly, but instead … throwing his hat in the endless ring of war?
As strange as it is, Natlan’s Archon … might not be the main focus of the Archon Quest? Since she is the Archon, she’ll definitely show up somewhere, but this does highlight a rather interesting topic. We know that new Archons have the same ideal as the OG Archon, but it’s their own unique perception of the ideal. Whether Murata is the OG Seven who reincarnates, for whatever reason, she isn’t labeled as an OG upon reincarnation … so either this reincarnation changes her a significant amount that she just cannot be considered the same Archon. Or upon each reincarnation, Murata perceives her ideal in a different light. … multiple tribes with their own set of rules … is it possible that each tribe was started off with a new Murata?
Two other interesting theories, it was said that if you are born on natlan and leave you will be cursed with bad luck, and look at the naltlan character on the trailer, does she look like someone coff coff Benny coff coff
Other interesting theory is that Capitano is one of the Boreas Knights but this one doesn't have a lot of bases other than his encounter with Varka.
@@Jovidiol I keep on hearing about that bad luck thing. A Native Natlan being cursed with bad luck upon leaving Natlan? Where did this come from??? I’ve yet to hear of this in game, or anywhere from the game. And if this is true, then are there variations of this bad luck, because if Benny is suffering from this curse, then Vanessa and her tribe should be suffering from this curse as well, yet we don’t hear about Vanessa getting struck with lightning on a daily basis, or the ground breaking apart below her very feet once a week.
… if this curse is true however … and there are indeed different strengths of this curse … I wonder if this curse is also applied to the Archon? And they suffer this curse the most severely … ok, I’m so not ready to make a “Bennett is the Pyro Archon” theory right now, I’ll start getting serious about it during the next update (-_-)
@@TinkRomero I agree with you when you talk about Benny beinging the Pyro archon I think this is a good joke the It's getting boring people at each nation talking about true and false archon, like It's cool when there are made theories about the archon but not like thins.
About the bad luck I'm not sure because I don't play a lot, but I think It was a Liben dialogue.
@@Jovidiol I looked into the bad luck curse thing. It’s apparently just a very popular theory to explain why we haven’t met anyone from Natlan. I guess people are deciding to accept the theory as correct and just move on until we get more actual info.
As far as the legitimacy of this theory goes … it doesn’t make sense. The only confirmation we have about this curse would be from Vanessa and her tribe, they suffered due to Tyrants, but they ended up getting through those terrible times 1000 years ago.
Bennett suffers from severe bad luck, no one is intentionally hurting him. (Even the few people who are frustrated at Bennett because of his luck are just minor disputes that Bennett gets through.)
If this curse of Bad Luck was true … then the entirety of Vanessa’s Tribe would’ve been suffering from much much more. And Vanessa’s reputation would’ve been similar to Bennett’s. Plus, if this curse was a thing, then Venti would’ve surely shared it with Vanessa.
Now … we don’t know if the Pyro Archon 1000 years ago is still alive or not, so this Bad Luck Curse could be something more recent (if it is real). This would indicate that the death of the previous Archon, or birth of the current Archon have something to do with the curse.
However … I really don’t think there’s a curse, like I explained earlier, the curse is just a fan theory to explain the lack of Natlan NPC’s, however the reasoning for it could be much more simpler.
Natlan’s People don’t want to leave Natlan.
Natlan has tribes, not necessarily cities that one can live in and continue on with their lives. Natlan is a nation where a home is a place you earn, not a place you find. If Natlan People leave the nation to another for curiosity’s sake or other reason, this could be seen as one’s desire to leave their tribe and would very likely be forced upon the individual. If you are exiled from your tribe, you have to earn yourself a new home. For an exile, they are banned from the tribe, not the nation. They could probably find a new tribe to earn their place in, or … maybe even make a new tribe (this might be the real reason why there are 6 tribes in Natlan, simply put, everyone has their own perspective on earning their place, and one of the Tribes will agree to this perspective.)
A Natlan Person would only go to another Nation for 2 reasons, it’s for the benefit of their tribe (so it would only be temporary, and they would’ve very likely gained permission to go with complete expectation of their return.). Or to earn a home, in which case, they would’ve very likely joined a self-sufficient group that they feel they could rightfully earn their place among. …. This brings up the question of Vanessa’s Tribe being in Mondstadt though? … was their an expectation of return, or were they earning themselves a new home? (This would mean that Vanessa’s Tribe didn’t wish to live amongst Natlan anymore, or that expectation of return was broken and therefore were immediately exiled … and why would anyone inform the exiled in another nation that they’ve been exiled?)
This also means that Natlan is not closed off to other nations! Just respect their ways and don’t break their rules.
Really great that you changed your channel to these lore videos. Always love to hear new perspectives. And im really curious to see just how busted Capitano will be. The fact that they decided to send him to fight his way to the gnosis leads me to believe he is on par with most Archons and probably hold his own against even Neuvillete.
Archons, maybe
Neuvillete, nope
Neuvillete regained the full hydro authority, he's a sovereign, a being that clashes with the primordial one for 40 years straight
@Gaeshiete so does that mean Otter Man might even be more powerful than Apep? Who is the only other sovereign and the only original sovereign to remain? I am saying this cause Apep doesn't have authority over Dendro anymore and is still salty about it
Edit: Also I just realised. I wonder what would happen if the two would meet somehow. Will Apep just reject him like everyone else or will she allow him a conversation?
@@josevictorionunez9312 Neuvillette has a full sovereign authority as the Hydro Throne shattered, and the 7 became the 6
The Dendro throne still exists, Apeps power is stolen
Summary: Neuvillette > Apep
I just wrote that out and gave up halfway to try and sound smart lmfao
@@josevictorionunez9312 I'm pretty sure Apep dislikes Neuvillette, and Neuvillette kinda never wants to go to meet them, and his voice like ABT the desert is also funny lmao
@@Gaeshiete bro neuvi himself said that the dragons in natlan are no match for him even when he has regained his powers and if capitano was send there knowing that then he must be really godamn powerful enough to take on neuvi easy enough
Seeing as how Natlan will based on Meso American lore, I think that your theory about the Phoenix is very possible.
“Quetzalcóatl was revered as the patron of priests, the inventor of the calendar and of books, and the protector of goldsmiths and other craftsmen; he was also identified with the planet Venus. As the morning and evening star, Quetzalcóatl was the symbol of death and resurrection. With his companion Xolotl, a dog-headed god, he was said to have descended to the underground hell of Mictlan to gather the bones of the ancient dead. Those bones he anointed with his own blood, giving birth to the men who inhabit the present universe.”
You forgot to mention the ‘talking stick’ is Natlan weapon, and in addition to the video, Neuvillette said Natlan are people with some Dragon-like features.
My head canon is that Vanessa resembled the pyro archon in appearance for Venti. Although, Venti did say Murata is obnoxious in the manga. I’m sure Venti had a crush on Murata but couldn’t tell her.
When he has crush on Murata? Literally almost nobody in genshin has romantic relationships and romantic feelings
Neuvillette said Natlan is nation of dragons so humans live together with dragons. He didnt say they would have dragon-like features but ofc that is possible too. And about Venti.. yeah thats just your own head canon lmao.
@@sonjab.6852Speaking of them both: I play from 3.2, but I heard from some sources that there was a limited event where some books told us that people of Mondstadt and Natlan have friendly military competition games and they exchanged with culture, thus happened after Vanessa took down the Laurance clan. Cannot confirm is it cannon however since Vent describes Murata on equal way as Zhong Li, Anemo and Pyro Archons should had some close relationship, I mean friendship of cource. My personal guess and mini theory: they befriended because they have something similar, e.g. they both overtook their predecessors or gained Archon status by force.
what are you yapping abt bro 💀 straight ppl are weird. you guys say to not ship every same sex characters in game but ship any male x female characters 💀💀 did you read the lore with your eyes up your ass
@@kabuuj3400npc have.
I would like to add on raiden demon name part. Her lore does not follow her own demon name but her sister's makoto which is baal a demon with 3 heads which can be interpreted as makoto, raiden and raiden puppet as 3 head of the same body since the sisters are twin and her puppet is her copy so.
Amazing theory! This also explains how the archon will die but the new archon will become playable and technically the same but different as the old archon.
we already have this.
Natlan will be based on Aztlan and its migration.
Aztlan aka the Aztecs consists of 7 tribes that used to live separately in the place of 7 caves the Chicomoztoc.
But, they all went to set out and migrate south that's when they all united and became Aztlan.
Aztlan consists of the Xochimilca, Tlahuica, Acolhua, Tlaxcalteca, Tepaneca, Chalca, and Mexica.
Aztlan means "The Place of White Herons/ Egrets"
Some Aztlan Gods go way back to Mayan and Olmec era.
So we might even get Gods from Mayan and Olmec era.
They settled in Lake Texcoco used to be called the Metztliapan aka Lake of the Moon.
Another moon reference in which we've seen Liyue, and Mondstadt.
There's been a lot of theories that the Pyro Archon is white and related to resurrection. (Based on this)
She's dead and will revive herself. She'll die and protect her people. She's a Phoenix. (And this)
But, there is one God in Aztlan myth associated with being White and is sometimes the Symbol of Death and Resurrection.
Quetzalcoatl the Feathered Serpent also known as the God of Civilization and Order.
A serpent as we've seen in game and in our mythologies are a type of Dragon.
He also used his own blood to create his people making them apart of him.
So Murata's secret might be that she is a Sovereign, she's not a God of "War" but Civilization and Order, and she knows about the creation of Teyvat.
I wish to type more about Quetzalcoatl, but there's too much info like it's better to research.
But, here start with the:
- Rivalry between Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca
- God of War Huitzilopochtli (Strongest Aztec God)
- Lords of the Night
- Five Suns (Creation Myth) will help a lot.
Whoever It is between Himeko or fu hua the only thing we all truly care about it's just to see it and enjoy it ourself
But I'd still bet on Himeko to be the pyro archon tho
we hawe to remember that Natlan is so far behind evryone 😅 (how much ? ) well take this when Sneznaya was creating evil guys Natlan was still living in caves
I'm thinking that if current pyro archon is a Kiana counterpart (such as Raiden Ei is a counterpart to Mei from HI3), and the previous archon was some himeko who died to save her, it would be kinda lit
We already saw Kiana as the Sustainer. Himeko might show up as the Pyro Archon, but knowing Hoyo, they'll just pull a Final Lesson on our gambling addicted asses.
It could be inazuma part 2, stuck in a cival war ig or just Some arcon is there but is in secret like nahida was or maybe there is a war to become an arcon of pyro.
at this point the pyro archon i can think of is ma boy diluc
I have a question and a theory:
1) We are good friends with Neuvillette, a dragon sovereign. Could we not just. Talk to him about the other dragon sovereigns, and get information about the archon this way?
2) My theory is that Murata has been in a continual war to find her successor. She doesn’t want the title anymore, she is tired and wants to give up the archon title much like Zhongli wanted to sign a contract to end all contracts. But, she believes in the rules of war and wants to maintain her integrity as the Archon of War. She doesn’t want just anyone to be her successor, she wants someone whose heart blazes with the warmth of a fair, hard-fought battle.
In line with this, perhaps she called for a contest of sorts that prevented the people of Natlan from wanting to leave. Perhaps she he believes the people of Natlan to be the strongest there is. Almost as if she’s thinking “if my people can’t defeat me, no one can.” “Archon status” as the ultimate prize in a nation that cares a great deal about war and most likely the spoils that come from victory?? I would want to stay, and make it my life’s mission to train my way to fight my leader if I were a Natlan inhabitant.
So when Capitano comes waltzing in, mucking up all her subordinates and wreaking havoc on the competitor, Murata must be so excited but maybe melancholy. This would depend on if Capitano is originally from Natlan or not (I’m not sure about this one). But I get the feeling that when the traveler comes knocking on Murata’s door looking to enter the competition, that’s going to stir up some drama… especially if we defeat her 🤯
Benette was found in the mare jivari so he's deffenatly a mu-natlan
I guess Murata was killed by Captaino. The Pyro Gnosis resonate in her soul and fire consume her body become Pyro Archon itself (New Pyro Archon).
This is crazy but what if Pyro Gnosis will turn traveler to pyro archon 😅
I'm excited to get Captaino in banner.
I heard That the Nation is In War? I mean it makes sense but A war?!
OH MY GOD YES THANK YOU
WE DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT A GNOSIS REALLY ACTUALLY DOES TO SOMEONES POWERS OTHER THAN IT STRENGTHENS THOSE POWERS
NATLAN IS THE PERFECT PLACE TO SHOW JUST WHAT THAT STRENGTHENING ENTIALS
After this speculation the last min was hella mind blowing 🤯
But we have already seen Pyro Archon, he currently resides in Mondtadt and everyone puts him in meta teams
One on One with Narhwal actually Narwhal was trying to posses Childe that's why he didn't die.
Imagine Capitano dragging the body of pyro archon when you first enter to Natlan.
That would be an interesting way to venture into a new nation
Varka said capitano can kill ruin guards with Klee's crayon.. but never beat travellers feat beating Ei with dull blade. You know it's Klee's crayon .. certainly it will blow the ruin guard into smithereens
I really hope we will get a phoenix in natlan!
We have diluc😐
@@Inei0_ diluc has an eagle.. 😭
@@bjwldgab Diluc burst?
@@Inei0_I found a npc
@@PelonStar me?
In HSR they gave siblings wings and a halo, so if people in Natlan have dragon like features I’m kind of wondering if the people of Natlan will fly or something. That’d be awesome.
This theory really makes sense and if the traveller suggests to hand over the gnosis by himself to cryo archon at the end of Natlan story arc it'll really be quite a cliffhanger to witness 😱
i'm already imagining the traveler finally using the power of a gnosis to fight the fatui, but once we do that we slowly discover the REAL truth behind them and their connection to celestia
I might even go far and say that the fatui aren't actually bad and the cryo archon is an anti-hero but that is just speculation based on the teyvat chapter storyline
Some people think theres gonna be two archonshat fight for the throne, which would explain the war
two gods not two archons since having two archons isnt possible
I feel like the Pyro Archon will have some reference with some Aztec's god rather than a Phoenix (since it feels too obvious to be true). I am sure there's a bunch of them that are related to both fire and rebirth.
im guessing she's somehow a phoenix due to the 'resurrection' and firery nature of a phoenix. and there's been a relation btwn dragons and phoenix in some lores
Slimes in Jenshin Impek are representing their Elemental Archons
le Pyro Slimes : *exploded 💥
le Lady Murata :
Never LEEET YOU GOOO 🎶
That's why i did them all 🎶
For a chance at least 🎶
To live in YOUR WAAAY 🎶💀
Looove of you 🎵
Was my mooost cheeerished thing 🎵
erutan's music brought so much nostalgia
This is looking like the whole battle thing is just gonna be a handing over of the gnosis ceremony to fool celestia again like how Focalors did.
There's a demon in Ars Goetia that may also be Murata's demon name: Phenex. Yes, similar to phoenix.
Phenex is a great maquis of Hell which looks similar to a phoenix and has a child's voice. Primarily, he kinda of looo like a peaceful demon for me. But further reading his/her abilities, Pheenx has control on any fire related abilities or pyrokinesis. He can also turn to humanoid form and with his drmonic self, he can easily absorb martial arts teachings and abilities.
Tbh i hope himeko will be the pyro archon
But it means we will have to see her die again...
we have actually met an npc from natlan, shes a spice trader at lumidouce harbor!
“Murata” himeko flashbacks *cries in final lesson*
her name gotta be murata himeko
If the archon is really a resemble of himeko ill be pulling for hear at all costs!
Man, that Traveller bringing the gnosis guess made me go 🤯
that makes a looot of sense!
Himeko...Come back to us-😭😭😭
Edit: 3 Fatui Harbingers = 1 Archon
We saw one npc from a limited event I forgot him name though
personally I believe the tsaritsa and murata are from the same generation of archon. not an OG but they're been archons for atleast 1,000 years MINIMUM
Or maybe the Fatui will try to take the Travel in the end for the travelers Gnosis or essence. As Gnosis are from dead outlanders.
I agree with your speculation. But there is one thing what bothers me. If we take a look at the Harbingers' constellation wheel, at the bottom from Childe we exactly fought every Harbinger in that order. Childe, Signora, Scaramouche, and now in Fontaine we will fight with Arlecchino too, and now it is very certain that her constellation is the Hand of Glory.
And my point is, that we will fight Capitano next in Natlan. But, there is that Dove constellation between him and hers, which represents Collumbina. Does it mean we may fight with her too in Natlan?
We never needed to fight The Knave mate, this is never gonna happen, get over it.
Fighting every harbinger seems too cliche imo
@@EthHawke94we will her boss in 4.6
Knave's symbol is theater mask and hand of glory is missing fatui harbinger
Nice to hear Calderock Music again. Ahh the memories.
It'd be nice if Traveler beats Capitano for the gnosis. Would finally get some screentime xd.
Pretty interesting for sure. That its why agter 4.6 banner im goona start saving for the pyro archon and her constellations. Im sure she will be insanely good /like all archons are YES INCLUDING VENTI his amazing if u know how to play him
Did he just call LIYUE (lee yuh) as LEE WAY????
According to Inazuma NPC, natlan has natural hotsprings. :)
So, natalan is gonna be good
Bennett is from natlan, since he was find my adventure guild in a temple near natlan's border
Haha yes very well, the Archon of Pyro. An intriguing concept the Pheonix, oddly non related to such a title but perhaps it will be in game. I have doubt but it may be represented differently. The idea of the Pheonix is less the bird and more the multi purpose extent of the Fire. The cleansing or purifying nature is ancient but to us its destructive. It's ritualistic, ceremonial, to be revered- respected and feared. Fire is an element of nature with little taming. Ashing itself though, it's reserved for specific instances as those who have been ashed cannot simply be revived. It is seen as the loser's punishment for over stepping bounds. War is not always through words but truths seen in combat. As for old genshin lore no clue how any will line up, I'd imagine you got it mostly Allright for speculation.
Capitano next John wick
I'm assuming Himeko will not be the Pyro Archon but perhaps something higher, if people worshipped her and did prayers to her she's likely a higher being but I don't know what, maybe one of the shades? I think the cryo archon will be Bronya
You do know all of the gods in Genshin are worshipped and prayed to by their people, right…? That’s literally why they’re gods, they derive their power from the faith of their people.
@@thatonexfallenangel7810 oh yeah ur right and Venti also said that she was the Pyro Archon in that manga, im so excited to see himeko
PLEASE I DONT WANT ANOTHER MURATA DEAD 😭
Same😭😭😭😭
The steaks are high since this is the last gnosis so the jester is sending the strongest harbinger
I heard that Capitano is the 3rd harbinger, so i think he might be pretty strong
There’s somebody who sells hot tubs in Inazuma, who comes from Natland
he just visited natlan
But if you think about it. It would be very tough to acquire the Gnosis from the Murata cause she practically never dies as she is always reborn. Maybe that's a reason why Fatui needed to send Capitano there.
We have leaks about npc in Natlan (her name is Katherine)
The children of Murata are just the Finalis from Magi
I'm actually expecting the Pyro nation to be Rome / gladiator style and the Archon be friends?(a bit close) to Barbatos (Venti) for the reason of Alcohol and maybe gambling / betting.
Omg you used Dragon Nest's Song of The Goddess as a BGM. The nostalgia. 2:16
Signora resurrect too in natlan? her ashes could be back to a new signora??
I think the dragon sovereign will be the one with the gnosis explanation: big pyro slimes have horns just like hydro.
lol Ty for using elesis artwork as blank faced pyro archon
Well Capitano might be Menogias.....the Geo Yaksha....based on how he was dressed and the shape of his face ....Well...you see the Pattern there...The Fatui harbringers are beings from different parts of teyvat not just Sheznaya.....Signora came from Mondstat...that why she was so disgusted by the anemo archon, Scara came from inazuma, Dotore (though not confirmed might came from sumeru), The knave came from fontaine, the jester came from Khanria.....well its not impossible
another theory for the title "ode of resurrections" is that now tsarista has all gnosis (besides pyro) and we know
-they are remains of 3rd descender
-they are distributed to prevent 3rd descender from possible reviving
lots of ppl speculate tsarista is collecting them to revive the third descender and now natlan have the last piece she needs so she might as well send capitano with all gnosis there, get the pyro one, revive 3rd descender or something similiar.
and rmb that tsarista is god of love and 3rd descender could be her lover shes trying to revive or sth on that line
I dont want to end 2024 with anothet harbinger go poof 😭😭😭
A sacrifice must be made; MC MUST get the Pyro Gnosis! THE FIRE RISES!!!
Dragon ppl (tribe) vs phoenix ppl (aka “the small bit of muratans” left that probably exceeds 200) . What if its like final fantasy. Two different fire entities fighting , (the children on the dragon sovereign “ifrit” vs the children of “the phoenix Murata”, all for one thing “ifrits gnosis back”. Its a stretch but thats a theory I just came up with. 😅
So what's the relation between the Muratans and the Ragnvindrs? Nothing?
I can hear it. Our Final Lesson will soon be coming to Genshin.
Well according to what we know they cryo archon and pyro archon died way before cataclysm i think. Venti said how cryo archon used to be friends with cryo archon but she was changed later. and how venti talks about pyro archon as wayward warmongering wretch i do she refers to present archon. so there is high chance that both the changes in cryo and pyro archon may have happened before cataclysm. If that's is then we can get lot of info from pyro and cryo archon.
and what if both the new archons knew the truth about something and walked different paths for the og archons? and I think for some reason pyro archon dont want her people to remember her anymore and is hiding in shadow. I dont think I really want some kind of lore drop on fontaine .
I just wanna know if the new archon to not be a child nahida is enough
Just the thought of Capitano defeated the Pyro archon getting the Gnosis then dueling Traveller and they get the Gnosis so they can talk to Tsaritsa is kinda funny to me
2:09 nc bgm calderock village from dragonest what a nostalgic 😂
Great vid! Just imagine a fight like KH2 & the nobodies but grander & with Fatui!!!
all im hoping for is that she wont die while fighting the sustainer of heavenly principals again or something
Thanks for cooking this banger video
She is just HIM
I want Himeko to be a best waifu material like Raiden.
NEVER LET YOU GOOOO
Traveller be like in every Archons
Anemo: *Help Archon save his Friend*
Geo: *Help Archon save his Nation*
Electro: *Save the Nation from their Archon*
Dendro: *Save Archon from her Nation*
Hydro: *Archon save Traveller*
Pyro: *Help Nation resurrect Archon*
Cryo: *Help Nation kill their Archon?*
MAY BE dragon archon Murata is already defeated by Pyro Dragon Sovereign and so the lore of hers to the land of Natlan seems vanished. Celestia's intervention might have stopped the Dragon to remake anything of Natlan but so the knowledge of Pyro archon seems forgotten as well. The way Dragon tales of TEYVAT's first days have mingled in storyline of traveller, celestia and abyss occupying the main arcs , this sort of possibility seems befitting.
I mean first and foremost we see our first archon venti as a human with a Dragon, then Zhongli and Ei leave the ancient search of history second to the storyline (obv.) and from sumeru to Fontaine. The actualised Dragon foreshadowing of Apep and Nevillette being the Authoritarian Sovereign. Seems like the next step would be catastrophic. Pyro was always genshin's favourite element ( remember those 2021 memes ) they would make it special in terms of Archon quest.
happy new year
I have a question though... If Natlan's archon is dead.. where do all the pyro visions come from? Is it not from the archons themselves? Unless celestia gives the vision to them
If Natlan has no current archon ruling the nation then who might be the ruler of this nation for the time being? The sovereign dragon of pyro, A harbinger ar a powerful tribe
What about Diluc he also has a red hair
Funfact: Rainjin has a son called Raitaro, which is how I named my Wanderer
6:16 STOPPPPP THE PAINNNNNNNNNNN AAAAAAAA (if you play hi3, then you know.)
i rly hope the fire archon getting killed by capitanio will not happen since i would hate to pull for a dead character and play her. it's something i don't like about honkai and i am happy that Genshin doesnt kill there playable characters. and even if she would revive as a different person you would still play the old dead archon. a solution would be either a different outcome or to make the reborn fire archon playable
We haven’t met any natlan npc
I'm thinking who's gonna be the archon of PHYSICAL?
Because we need to Make Physical Great Again!
Euler
NO. physical is so boring
Is murata a reference to himeko? (HI3)
It's kinda scary that the Traveller is getting more and more aligned with the Fatui in each nation... From getting ass whopped by Signora in Mondstadt to being on good terms with Childe, Scaramouche, Arlecchino, Lyney, Lynette and Ferminet
It could be that Aether and Lumine will be in total opposition coz Fatui and Abyss are enemies...
And the Fatui is probably thousand times stronger than the Abyss
I once theorized that Murata Himeko(Hi3) is the Pyro Archon reincarnated in Genshin Impact XDDD
yh its probably just gonna be another himeko. and if she is dead.. himeko really cant stay alive anywhere huh
plot twist it's just Fu Hua from Honkai Impact