Supreme Court hears case against Boris Johnson’s prorogation of Parliament
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Remainer lawyers have told the Supreme Court that Boris Johnson tried to "evade" scrutiny and "silence" MPs over Brexit with his Parliament shutdown.
Gina Miller’s lawyer, Lord Pannick, said the PM sought to “silence Parliament for that period because he sees Parliament as an obstacle in his political aims.”
While taking the PM to task over his dramatic move to stop MPs from sitting for five weeks - a decision that has to be approved by the Queen - Lord Pannick emphasised that he was "making no criticism of Her Majesty in these proceedings.
The legal showdown is being heard at Britain’s highest court after judges in England and Scotland delivered differing decisions on whether the PM’s move was “unlawful”.
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Leave means leave
pathetic, they cant even get the page numbers correct. What a waste of time. Go Boris.
RE-thinking new strategy, Prime Minister, do not lose cool, ask for extension as traitors force you to do
stuff it down throats to remoaners,
make them happy.
Then every time EU wants to pass **ANYTHING** "we as unwilling member UK",
VOTE NO, no consent, and EU will be screwed up.
DO not give consent to anything gang of EU wants.
Remember it takes JUST ONE member ..of EU, .......UK.
NO CONSENT by one member, no passing anything in EU.
SWEET SOLUTION, so sweet.
PM, SLAP EU mob SILLY !!!
I hope we leave and then I hope Gina moves to Brussels where she belongs.
Probably most will becouse living standards will be better there than in little england
Go Boris we (the majority) voted out of this doomed EU & nobody should obstruct the democratic vote 🇬🇧🇬🇧
They are talking about parliament in the video, not brexit.
You're not in the majority any more - look at the polls of 18-21 year olds who couldn't vote in 2016.
Sorry but I don’t mean to disrespect your point of view but the majority of the people voted out of the EU & just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you have the right to overturn it - you don’t !
no one is, people just do not want to leave with a no deal as no one voted for that and we do not want to end up in a recession at all
@@MSL223 it was 51% who voted leave to 48% remaining that is not what you call a majority
Got his facts wrong. What about John Major proroging parliament for six weeks, to avoid scrutiny of the cash for questions scandal.
They did talk about that in the courtroom - the distinction that's been made is that although Major did use his powers for political advantage, he did not do so in order to prevent parliamentary scrutiny of government actions, or to prevent parliament from passing legislation which might oppose the government. Whilst what Major did was a slimy political move, it was not an action which questioned parliamentary sovereignty. Boris's prorogation, however, puts the legislature into direct conflict with the executive.
That's because they were all at it.
Which facts did you get wrong; all you can present is an incredibly misleading tu quoque fallacy. I am becoming increasingly enraged by superficial and vulgar thinkers like you attempting (and failing) to criticise seriously the case of a major legal expert.
was it not three weeks
Absolutely hilarious that you accuse Lord Pannick, one of the best barristers in the world, of getting ‘his facts wrongs’. Truly a farcical, absurd, ridiculous assertion. He most certainly and definitely did NOT get his facts wrong. Your lack of understanding of the complexities and nuances of his argument does not a falsehood make.
trust the sun to show this. they didnt show the other guy saying proragation is only 7 days due to the 3 week party conferences.
shame on you the sun
Well orchestrated one sided propaganda by media.
Are you really trying to assert that the Sun newspaper is biased toward the remain camp?
Lord Keen was shot down, forced to concede that the usual recess need not happen: its for MPs to decide whether they want it or not. Prorogation, by contrast, is imposed unilaterally by the government.
it is edited also
The Sun is manipulating the narrative in every video .
They don't have an argument he even states clearly that this is far from an academic case which in itself proves that this is political matter not a judicial matter. Secondly the length of prorogation was determined by the conference recess which would have happened anyway unless parliament tried to stop it which it hasn't nor has parliament stopped prorogation. The point is if parliament is supreme and this case is about prorogation then why didn't they prioritise stopping prorogation and the answer is because they decided stopping no deal was more important to them. The courts have already decided no deal is lawful which leads to the conclusion that Brexit decision making is political not judicial with prorogation being irrelevant to that.
Most of this came out in the response, but the BBC decided people didn't need to hear that so broadcast the LiB Dem conference on both BBC News and BBC Parliament. Even when they went back to the court stream the BBC presenter was pretty much just talking meaningless dribble in a bid to drag out as long as possible before returning to the stream!
ChickenWire well said.
Biggest difference is how the goverment sees it.
1) Is it just 7 days + the conference time?
2) 5 weeks time (with conference happening within)
Either way, Parliament will be able to sit again as a result of either scenario, based on what the Court already said.
@@Wichnam Plus it's already been pointed out to the court that parliament can't just recall itself from the conference recess, only the government can recall the parliament and I really can't see Boris throwing them that bone lol
Well put, and if this was so wrong and a real gagging on parliamentarians voices why didn't they cancel or at least reduce their individual party conferences and arrange to come back sooner. Not being available for this course of action only shows the entire case before the law is politically motivated. I am sure the judges will be wise not to get the legal system entwined with politics it would be a dangerous precedent to set as people would lose respect for the rule of law much like they have already done for politicians. The consequences of that are not worth mentioning.
Lots of insinuations. No evidence of reason. Also it is not unlawful to prorogue of parliament for political reasons. There is precedence. ALSO it is not for the court to decide what is "good" governance or "Bad" governance . That would be a political ruling and would step over the line of the separation of powers. The courts have no business ruling on this case.
Andrew Turner If prorogation is not a matter for the courts then, how do you determine that '...it is not unlawful to prorogue of parliament for political reasons...'? What legal precedence could there be?
Desmond Roberts the decision to prorogue was political, the court has no yard stick to make any ruling. Checks and balances in the political arena are provided by parliament. It was up to parliament to legislate if it did not want to be prorogued, which it could have during the run up to prorogation. It’s not up to the court to enter this arena.
@@andrewturner2354 You've not identified any legal precedence upon which you could rely. It is your opinion that the prorogation was 'political' and not criminal but, the courts may take a different view - just as has the Scottish Court of Sessions.
Desmond Roberts there is no legal precedence , that’s the point. We have the principle of the separation of power. It’s a pillar of our democracy. The court has no business judging political decisions. That’s not an opinion that’s fact and is exactly what the high court ruled.
@@andrewturner2354 One man's political decision is another's unconscionable abuse of power or an act deemed ultra vires. A court, if so petitioned, is allowed to decide upon whose side right lies.
It's a ridiculous, frivolous case. I hope the Court has enough sense not to climb into the clown car.
the way I see it, Boris q.c made a totally compelling case to overturn the Scottish judges verdict !!!
SUPREME COURT justices should stay away from politics. Just decide laws.
James Doherty Oh really? Where is it?
@@bubffm REMOAN
So someone with the money to sue like Gina Miller, gets to challenge my vote and try to get it overturned. Doesn't seem very democratic to me. Seems more like the rich staying rich.
She's challenging prorogation. Btw isn't Brexit about the rich staying rich ?
Who says anything about your vote at the referendum. Try to understand what is discussed at the Court.
They don't have a hearing about the democratic system or the vote in this case. Is about whether the prorougation was unlawful or not.
Just protecting as loyal wife husband's interests and millions dealing with EU.
@@doyoumind9356I voted for brexit.
You mean
. Gordon Brown
. Tony Blair
. Bob Geldoff
. Heseltine
. Lagarde
. Obama
. Corporate lobbiests and croney capitalism
. Richard Branson
. Patrick Stewart
. Dominic Grieve
And all the other dirty lowlife eu zombies and cronies staying rich?
No, that's REMAIN you are thinking of.
pathetic. obviously they want civil unrest patriot style
Yeap
I think you're right - they want violence so that they can claim that is caused by Brexit and use it to justify reversing the outcome of the referendum.
well I don't think we should. I think we should back Nigel Farage if we don't leave on October 31st. I would love to see him in number 10! but if Boris stays true to his word.. he will go down in history!!!
The establishment.. a cess pit of vipers!
Silly generalisation .. like saying all Eton boys are toffs
Yeah which the royal family are also a part of
Secret ANARCHISTS.
@@doyoumind9356 just stating a fact..
I agree. I assume that also includes Bojo, Gove, Cummings,etc.
This man doesn’t understand what he is saying
Neither does anybody else.
This is just ludicrous; are you seriously talking about Lord Pannick? Watch his entire address if you think any of it is unjustified...
@@vaclavmiller8032 where can I watch it?
But tilbrook case was ignored ?? This load of rubbish is heard ?? Eh
They've had three years to discuss and sort this out, getting nowhere deliberatley. The PM had no other choice but to do this to break the log jam and to carry out the democratic vote.
If you cannot operate a binder you should not sit on a court.
How does one "reduce scrutiny" on a matter they have been talking about for three years and a no-deal Brexit for the last six months??
Because for 3 years the Government failed to deliver and is now relying on hail marys which are a threat to our democracy, the very thing we voted to strengthen in the first place......
Taking back control🤔
The court cannot rule on this
The Queen agreed with the Prime minister, the Queen has the authority! The Prime minister is trying to enact on what the people voted for others are trying to stop him from enacting on this vote he was forced to ask the Queen for a prorogation of Parliament because democracy was under attacked by those who oppose Brexit. The Queen agreed that her Government was being stopped from enacting the people vote and so allowed the prorogation of Parliament. Maybe the Queen should be brought to the court!
The Queen IS the court.
What's norris off Coronation street got to do with it.
What he has not mentioned that its taken three years with parliament, and MPS have done nothing but blocked any vote to leave, without an EU treaty. He has also failed to mention, that Boris made it clear, that he had parliament closed for the queens speech, and also did not mention, that MPS would have plenty of time to debate the issue before the 31st october.
Nobody knows what is the motivation of the Prime Minister . That cannot be defined in court.
1. There was no further business planned for parliament (in the remaining 4 days) before the party conferences and no party proposed to abandon the party conferences.
2. Prorogation cannot be seen to include the party conference period which takes up most of the time parliament is closed.
3. The "Desire" of the Prime minister cannot be proved here. However it does seem that there were important negotiations to be done with EU and no planned business in Parliament. It seems sensible and logical to allow the time for negotiations to take place, but that is only my assumption.
4. John Major prorogued parliament for a much longer period in 1997 it is thought to avoid "Cash for Questions"
Aidan O’Neill QC, barrister for Joanna Cherry and 70 parliamentarians
who are bringing the Scottish case, claimed in his written arguments
that the Scottish court decision was correct and the reasons for the
government’s motives in prorogation should be examined by the courts.
“It is an administrative power that has, in this case, been used abusively
by the executive” which “falls squarely” within the court’s remit, he
said. He argued that English law should be “brought up to the standards
by which the executive is called to account under Scots law”.
one sided clip?
The Courts are being reduced to a laughing stock by all these remainer plots....Especially after the prorogue case which was not even exploited by the remainers once they had won it and was a waste of the Courts and everybody's time.....The Judges would be wise to retain the respect for the Courts by the people by just dismissing these cases brought about by remainers who claim to be doing it for the sake of parliamentary democracy whereas they are actually doing it to undermine democracy by the people whist extolling the virtues of a second referendum while not even honouring the first one which is a ridiculous farce....The Courts should look at the actual reasons these remainers are bringing these cases and assess their merits on that basis and dismiss them as political not justiciable...as it is clearly all based on a lie from the start and does not originate from an honest or honourable pleading....!!!
Well spoken guy .I love his English
Put the border in irish sea for Britain to leave in peace !
How's the will of the people going now in 2023?
Of course it’s a majority & please don’t lecture me on research - I respect your right to an opinion but the country voted - it wasn’t a matter of vote for leaving with the EU still controlling our laws - I want free trade between us but the EU still wants to control everything & Im sorry to say that’s not what most of the people that voted to leave want
It was a tool in his box so he used it to fix the problem. Warranty not voided as it was over 2year anyway :D
not a good week for boris
Its been a superb week for Boris. Every incident highlights the ridiculous nature of the remainer arguments and how orchestrated and fake many of the supposed demonstrations are.
The losers cannot win - we will get Brexit, but it will only the first step in fixing our country - we have to purge parliament, the police and the judiciary of traitors.
we really need a great shake up of the total system
PRIME MINISTER, Boris JOHNSON, STICK TO YOUR GUNS, firmly...... clean TORY party, sack rats and deport them to Spain or Albania or NIGERIA. Preferably deserted island with hungry great white sharks guarding them on it. Putrid traitors.
DELIVER what ***our nation voted for***, as you are best what happened to UK since Winston Churchill.....NEVER NEVER NEVER GIVE up your plan and conviction to succeed!
Failing that I predict, you will not be PRIME MINISTER passed 2019 CHRISTMAS.
Too many wild dogs foxes' death. Traitors of TORY Government need to be weeded out. FAST!
Ignore rats, at own peril TRAITORS - rabid rats, will depart as boat will sink. EU boat - full of holes.....patience......Let's help them on the way, shall we NATION of BRITS? EU in 3-5 years will cease to exist ANYHOW.
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Additional note:
RE-thinking new strategy, Prime Minister, do not lose cool, ask for extension, stuff it down throats to remoaners, make them happy, then every time EU wants to pass *ANYTHING* "we" as unwilling member of EU, UK, VOTE NO, do not give consent, and EU will be screwed up. DO not give consent to anything gang of EU wants.
Remember it takes JUST ONE member of EU gang .........UK.
NO CONSENT by one member, UK forced member, no passing of anything in EU.
SWEET solution. How sweet.
SLAP EU MOB SILLY!!!
P.S. Watch good people of UK, this mob in EU how long they will allow UK now "slaves" made by own Government ~ dominate their nefarious agendas by us voting against anything they want to pass.
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***Who Dares Wins ***~ PM remember that!!!
Just waiting for the glove dont fit line. At the end of the day judges will just work to rule and if it's too complex they will just opt out and say it's just normal politics and game playing. I don't see how they can overturn the queen the chief judge really.
Tedious delivery...think faster man!
The executuve will always win. We have a political constitution
Lol@sun readers... We want our brexshit now.. The will of the ppl.. Project fear!! 🤤
Its 5 days not 5 weeks .these mps are against public vote that was to leave. The primeminister has every right to stop the remain coup ..in sept its always been 2 week s conference days always 2 weeks for a queens speech ..they had 2 weeks off in summer resess .... they have had 3 yrs to deal with it ...... bj has done the correct thing .
Wasn't boris a remainer under Cameron?
According to remainers and the crux of their argument for another referendum is that we are fluid in our opinions and should be entitled to change our minds, provided it is to remain and not to leave of course. Corbyn by many accounts voted leave but is now trying to look like a devout remainer.
Lord this,Lady that.Sun readers?
i will support Boris Johnson he was used the power to national benefits rather than to criticism such as others as Gn mller
"In my opinion "
Judges: Zzzzz....
In effect, as parliament is prorogued, politicians have taken their bickering over party policy to the courts, and this brings the courts - not least the Supreme court into long term disrepute. I wonder if these judges have the wisdom to see this.
Impossible to argue against a prerogative of power of a PM to prorogue parliament the reason for which is only imagined.
The whole court is a big one eye ?!
What makes you say nobody voted for no deal ? - would have preferred one but since the EU will not want to lose face then what choice is there ?
The whole EU gravy train is flawed & we need to leave preferably with a deal but if not without 🤞🤞🇬🇧
How about the silencing of the democratic referendum result when we didn't leave on March 29th 2019?
This guys refers to Boris using proroguement for political purposes ,so doesn’t this mean the Supreme Court has not jurisdiction in this case?
I only clicked the video because I thought he guy in the thumb nail was Norris Cole from coronation street 🤣😭
Who is representing the government here?
We now see that Money and an unelected court couldn't stop the will of the people or Brexit 👍👍😂
I DON'T NOW HOW BRITISH POLITICAL SYSTEM WORKS, BUT CAN THE PARLIAMENT BE DISSOLVED.
@Carl Lee haha I like it
Jeez I’m falling asleep listening to this guy
The Brexiteers being the impartial bunch they are - simply will not link prorogation with Johnsons political strategy to stifle debate. This is hardly an emergency situation or a case of nothing much to debate so why not extend the holiday. Brexiteers try to be impartial for once, some intellectual honesty would be good. I couldnt care less if we stayed or left but Boris really is doing the dirty on Parliament. By the way i didnt get the chance to vote for or against him. Did i miss the election?
Perhaps if Josh Asprey could communicate the Queen’s English with a little more accuracy he may be better placed to understand that the majority of this country’s population voted to leave the EU. No-one stipulated it had to be with a deal. If Josh likes Europe so much he should go and live there. I will chip in for his fare. LEAVE MEANS LEAVE. BJ and JRM are not thugs. They are much brighter than you Josh. Listen and learn!
Leavers stand around shouting 'We voted Leave' like the Python Gumbys…
Gina Miller has got more money than sense !
This about if the PM can prorogue parlement at will. Much more important than Brexit. If not fixed it leaves the door open for an dictatorship.
Like the liberal democrats 😀
Unfortunately UK lost Sovereignty on 04/09/2019 ~FOREVER.
PEOPLES' vote to leave has been ~hijacked~ and peoples' referendum and NATION's WILL to leave EU ended as clearly as "fodder" for corrupt rabid some insane politicians in Commons. .
Whole situation is clinically planned and became ***FUBAR***, now.
UK became EU's colony now, **dairy cow** helped by BER cow, to be milked and dominated,.ENSLAVED for future generations. ~for FOREVER~ ....KARMA will indeed catch up with traitors.
Speech by ***FATHER of mess*** was pathetic, revengeful and time for him, go to pasture.
At last NOW he shown true face.
***Sorosites*** WON.
PRIME MINISTER do declare NO CONFIDENCE in own Government and save UK.
Take wind out of traitors sails.
Once you succeed with NATIONAL elections, you will WIN. As LABOUR joined with DEVIL, why not join with BREXIT party to FORM HUGE majority, & run traitors to sea?
Or deserted island. There they can scream obscenities all day long.
Almost by-ex-Speaker now, who will support & allow it. ORDAAAAH, I say ORDAAAAHHH!
Sit down Prime Minister I am standing......
What happened to once truly "civilized BRITISHNESS" in this outfit called PARLIAMENT?
Bad language, insults, rudeness and by some, total disrespect, by newbies as well as seasoned ones.
Traitors of BRITISH people, do not even RESPECT Scottish JUSTICE first ruling?
Not LONDON HIGH Court?
Why then we have COURTS of LAW?
What Gina Miller will do, when even SUPREME COURT rules against her?
GO TO BRUSSELS demand her decision become binding rule on UK?
Or will she demand new national REFERENDUM on her intellectually challenged ideas?
Vitriolic speeches by some in Commons, put there by good, but naive people by mistake, well public now will harvest
what they sawn.
OPPOSITION ANARCHY.
Why should members of PARLIAMENT care what NATION,
***The people***want? Or VOTED for.
People became just tool, convenience to them. with LOFTY SPEECHES, false promises and
downright disgraceful behaviour ~ insane demands by many in Commons
on their MERRY-GO-ROUND lunatic park.
Reduce their salary by 50% and see how they behave then!
Disunited, once UNITED KINGDOM, will become easy pray & mouthful to dictators/ oligarchy of EU, to be swallowed, and punished so severely by imposed conditions by EU, on us, their 28th COLONY, that NATION, once proud UNITED KINGDOM, will become non-entity. Destroyed and will cease to exist.
WIPED OUT, by EU monster. for Insanity is like black plague,very catching, and EGOMANIACS are more in numbers in COMMONS than mushrooms at mushroom farm.
"""NOBLE""" speaker's sticker on his car says it all! ***Bo....cks to BREXIT***!
The ~ EMPEROR ~"speaker" "honorable" ~thinks~, HE has more power than our Monarch? OUR MAJESTY
THE QUEEN !!! Who noticed disgraced chant to BLACK ROD, representative of our QUEEN.
VOTE HIM OUT fast, people.
DEMOCRACY in UK died.
IS DEAD. Not even our SUPREME COURT decision will be honored by rabid, vitriolic wild gang in COMMONS.
Wild vitriolic gang rules.
Sad, sick and very upset, and VERY AFRAID should be , all UNITED KINGDOM NATION.
DARK, very,very dark times are ahead once EU exercise their monstrous tight GRIP on colony, once called UNITED KINGDOM.
THAT IS a "Reason" they demand EU ARMY, to invade states/colonies, to install ordeeeeerrr-ordaaaah,
ORDAAAAHH.....observe what will happen.
R.I.P UK. now forever NEW EU's 28th slave colony.
SLAVES, ruled by foreigners!!! So pathetic.
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Don't forget John major did the same over the expense scandal l don't remember that being taken to court double standards.
and John major what a
I sense Eu involvement... keep uk in at whatever cost... they need to win this to protect their empire
Was that man in coronation Street
Good to see the tory trolls in droves
Lock him up!!!!
Pepsi
No way!!! I don't believe it!!! I thought it was only those nasty people in Brussels who made our laws 😜
All over the seven bloody days, there isn't anything to scrutinize because Boris is still working on the plan to put on the table. Don't make a drama out of a crisis.
Long live the 🇪🇺 ♥ may you forever be united with progressive ideas to benefit everyone.
Bimbo Bojo 😂😂😂
The Prime Minister has accepted the result of the referendum and has recognised that opposition MPs have constantly ignored and insulted the people's voice. Only solution is to take away their voice.
Yea that's not parliamentary idiot
@@misssocrates3442 What's parliament got to do with the vote to leave
@@misssocrates3442 Democracy should beat the whingeing of Remoaner MPs don't you think? Idiot.
First
The Queen agreed with the Prime minister, the Queen has the authority! The Prime minister is trying to enact on what the people voted for others are trying to stop him from enacting on this vote he was forced to ask the Queen for a prorogation of Parliament because democracy was under attacked by those who oppose Brexit. The Queen agreed that her Government was being stopped from enacting the people vote and so allowed the prorogation of Parliament. Maybe the Queen should be brought to the court!