I could see Apple modifying HomePodOS to communicate with a local AI-capable device so that they could still take requests and deliver results by communicating to that device without needing all of the processing power in each HomePod.
I agree, this seems like a logical approach. Apple have already setup additional communication between Mac and iPhone with iPhone Mirroring, so AI offloading seems reasonable. It would also be very Apple to create a HomePod/AppleTV Pro, pricing it to sell would be difficult though.
I’d pay handsomely for a HomeKit hub that will process most of my requests locally. I can see a wold where an M4 based system with 16gb of ram and a 12 inch screen would sell for under 1k. It’s essentially a MacBook Air without a keyboard, a smaller screen, no battery, but better speakers. Alternatively, a powerful Apple TV also makes a lot of sense.
This may be why they delayed the Apple TV hardware update that was rumored. They could be planning a smart display or TV/game console like Nvidia Shield,especially with how focused they were on gaming platforms at WWDC. Powerful tech for a hub and good revenue from games for them.
An M4 device just to drive a display and host Matter/Thread protocols is extreme overkill, don’t u think?!? Apple will NEVER do that, u can take that to the bank.
I sincerely hope Apple brings surround sound formats to a quad or more pairing of HomePods. 4 HomePod minis, meaning surround sound for $400 is a killer deal and way to get more people to see the benefit of Dolby Atmos and more
The minis don’t have the ability to adapt to the room like the regular HomePod does so I don’t see that ever happening. That being said 4 regular HomePods at $300 a pice with there adaptive capabilities paired with an Apple TV I could see being a serious competitor for something like the Sony HT-A9 or the Bravia theater quad at a price that’s hard to beat.
Hopefully, with the early fall release, we'll get an M-series-based AppleTV (8k?) that will provide more powerful gaming AND the ability to act as a selectable primary home hub/clearing house for Siri voice requests. I think this is part of the reason why they opened up allowing non-Apple HomeKit-enabled devices to be able to essentially act as remote microphones for Siri requests--your HomePods will essentially become smarter versions of that kind of device where Siri requests are concerned.
It would be interesting if they broke off AI processing into a separate SoC that they could put in not just iPhone but also Apple Watch and things like HomePod mini.
I agree with you, Eric! However, I would love them to make homeOS. some type of relay software that uses your iPhone or other smart device inside your home to power AI that way all your current Apple HomePods can be made smart and you wouldn’t have to buy all new ones
Hey man, enjoy your vids. Keep them coming. Just more of a question, but wouldn’t the M1 iPads or even the M2 iPad Air be the cheapest entry into the new Apple Intelligence. Would also address the form factor, like a smart screen, as you were saying. Thanks again.
Sorry there is a glitch ask again later Not connected to the internet try again later Something went wrong with your request again later Alright playing music Sorry you will have to unlock your iPhone first Who is speaking make sure your profile is the same as your iPhone
What if they just allow HomePods to access Cloud Compute to answer more complex requests? Wouldn’t the request then be processed on the server therefore not require the HomePod to have a powerful processor?
I was thinking of moving away from the amazon ecosystem and going with the homepods potentially with an extra ipad air M1 that I have for my kitchen. I believe you can wirelessly connect your ipad to a homepod to be used as the speaker output for the ipad. Will this setup give me the same functionality as having a home smart speaker with a display and the power to use Apple intelligence functionality? The other room I would want to use a homepod mini is my office where I have my M1 macbook pro. I keep my macbook plugged in and on all the time. Again, I am not sure if you could wirelessly connect a homepod and use it as the speaker output my Macbook. Any advice is greatly appreciated. I do like the sound quality of the homepod speakers including the homepod mini. Sorry for the long comment.
With Apple AirPlay (built right into the OS of all(?) Apple devices), you can send audio to nearly every one of your other Apple devices. The full size Homepods have the ability to pair in stereo.
This could work out nicely with a couple things to keep in mind. First is I would create a Shortcut that sets the iPads audio destination to the desired speakers so it's easy to do in one tap. You could make a couple for different zones in your home where audio plays. Second keep in mind that AirPlay multi-room audio isn't the fastest and most responsive system for this. Controlling Sonos speakers over the Sonos system will give you faster performance but the iPad doesn't lock you into just using AirPlay. You are making me want to build one of these for myself lol!
I am not a tech expert but what happens, e.g., currently when you touch or get near your homepod or minis and it transfers music to them. Now, what happens if you touch or get near them for the purpose of allowing them to now be just an external microphone that will transfer your search query back to your iphone that will do all the A.I. stuff and then broadcast it back to your homepod/mini that way no one has to run out and start upgrading their homepods/minis
Another great video !...The iPhone 13's processor the A15 Bionic chip has the equivalent processing power of the M1 which is getting the "Apple Intelligence" feature...It even has the same Neural Engine as the M1 all iPhones sold since including the iPad mini 6 Apple needs to get this out of beta and in people's hands that's paid for this processing power. Much love from all the UK 😊
Great discussion. If SIRI improvements are directly tied to Intelligence, does it mean any non-compatible device “gets stuck with dumb SIRI”? After WWDC, it sure seemed like Watch, TV, and HomePods were left out.
I think the MagSafe idea is a great one though how would Siri know when room it’s in. Usually with a speaker in each room it knows what room it’s in and the request doesn’t have to be too specific.
Why didn’t apple use the “Private Cloud Compute” branding to mean end-user owned devices teaming-up to process requests locally. If an apple user has an iPad with M4, a MacBook with M3, a TV with A15 Bionic, and an iPhone with A17 pro. That is a lot of processing power sitting unused at any given moment. If we estimate these chips to be on average about a powerful as M1 that is like an M1 Max chip, but potentially more.
It’s a good point that all that power is sitting there. I think the mesh between all that could potentially be slow. But I also think that’s why Apple has gated so much to newer devices. I think they want Private Cloud Compute to only run when it’s absolutely necessary and not for every request from a HomePod mini
Dumb question -- when using HomePod mini -- is it accessing Apple Music on its own, or being streamed through your iPhone? So if it is, it'd be the same with Apple Intelligence just feeding answers through to HomePod mini?
It is processing directly from the HomePod, that started in 2021, more than likely new home devices released from apple going forward will be updated with the hardware to support apple intelligence (reminds me of apple switching their laptops and desktops to the m series). It doesn’t stream from your iPhone to your HomePod when it comes to Siri, hopefully that answers ur question
I have been considering why Apple is allowing us to finally pick which home hub is our default “connected” hub. It may relate to your postulation that we’ll need a beefier hub for controlling AI based commands. If we have just a few new hubs with internal hardware sufficient for executing AI commands, and one of these is the default connected hub, the other hubs in the house could serve as intermediaries between you (wherever you are in the house) and the AI-ready hub. Given how many hubs I have now - especially the HPg2 hubs - I really hope some sort of considered approach like this will be provided. There’s little impact on delay time for sending and receiving the language between our nearby hub and the AI hub and this is the only reason I see for not implementing an approach of this ilk. Other than the boatloads of money they could make from people upgrading…
An AppleTV with an M2 cpu would be a kick ass device. Should be able to handle 8k video, be a great gaming console, handle AI for the homekit and generally do a lot of things. Not sure why Apple hasn't put out one yet.
I did also wonder if Apple might offload “intelligence” requests to our phones. But I fear that’ll make them even slower than they already are. As you mentioned the HomePods are so slow/unreliable I hardly ever use them to control smart home devices (part of my original reason for buying them) because pulling out my phone to ask Siri is quicker and less prone to disaster (turning everything on including opening windows and running vacuums). Also small detail, but I like the fact we’ve come up with the same solution for mounting the FP2 underneath a magnetic HomePod mount 👌
I’ve also long come to the same conclusion about smart buttons and automations. My smart home ethos has gone from “Smart homes are about being able to control things with your phone or voice” To “Smart homes are about never needing to use your phone or voice, because everything just happens”
I guess you’re right. I kinda wish (and I know they never will) they would do something somewhat like Brilliant where they would just make a small display, like the size of an iPhone, that would replace switches in your various rooms in your smart home and display the accessories within that room on the display. It would be connected to power, have whatever chip necessary and have Siri 2.0 onboard. Basically if Apple did the Brilliant thing, but the Apple way.
I can see Apple going the route of micro-cloud processing where complex requests are accepted by the smart speakers sent locally to a Mac that's capable of processing the request and then sending the results back to the smart speaker all done via local IP address mapping instead of sending through an external cloud. Ideally, I would love it if this also meant the return of the Apple Airport routers but I’m not so sure that's likely. Can you imagine a router with a binned M1 with 8 gigs ram or even 16 to future-proof?
The fact they created "personal cloud compute" but didn't make it available on iPhone 14 or older does not make me very optimistic. They are going to milk our wallets for sure.
On more than one occasion I have sent my thoughts to Apple’s feedback site regarding the development of a centralized HomeKit device that could not only act as a router replacement for the AirPort Extreme, but perhaps could also link together with HomePod minis to create a Wi-Fi mesh network. I’d be curious to know to what extent Apple reads any of these comments, but I would definitely encourage everyone to send feedback directly to the company.
Mmm. Not sure I agree. Seems like there will be a hierarchy of intelligence delegation depending on what is required for a request. If a request is too complicated for a smart speaker the delegate it to a local IPhone, IPad, or MBP with a more advanced neural chip. If that isn’t enough, delegate the request to the Apple Intelligence cloud. If that isn’t enough, delegate the request to ChatGPT. The hierarchy could be configurable depending on privacy needs. Seems like we should be able to continue to use cheap edge devices for local IO while delegating to higher intelligence to l newer local devices or external clouds. Old devices may be recycled to work as local border routers or smart displays.
Doesn't this need the newer chips to work meaning all current HomePods won't work with Apple Intelligence? Guessing this is why they didn't mention it at all and are probably looking to update the chips in September
There’s a good chance older models could relay requests to a newer model, and older ones would continue to work as-is without new hardware in the home. But yes I bet there’s another hardware part to drop here before they have more to say
I think an Apple TV running on an A18 bionic chip would be the cheapest and most logical solution for having a resident AI that works as a central hub.
Please do a show on why Siri sucks so much. Here's the frequent response from Siri with regards to HomeKit control: "The __________ is not responding." This happens even though you can immediately go into the Home app and trigger the actions from there. If the device was really having some sort of connectivity trouble, then I would get a no response message in the Home app. So the devices don't have any issues, it's Siri that's the problem.
I have almost all the Apple products except HomePods. I swore that I would not get any until Siri was smarter. If and when I see a smarter Siri on the HomePods I’ll pull the trigger but not before
There is another commonality between all Apple Intelligence devices. Which I believe is very intentional and very important to the HomePod. A Thread Radio. Mic 🎤 drop
Dang it, you turned on “This Scene” and “That Scene” in my house after saying “Siri”. (Jk, but that would have been hilarious, and now I need two new scenes.)
It would make a lot of sense for them to make a new HomePod to gain new ai systems and the rumor about it with a screen has got me wondering as the rumor suggested we will see it with a iPad mini sometime this year but there is no new iPad mini at the moment to support the ai features so Apple could just make a new iPad mini with the m4 chip which would handle the ai since Apple announces product in the fall with iPhones, Apple Watch, iPads sometimes, AirPods, and this new HomePod could be a consideration in September or October this year I this this new HomePod could unveil the rumored homeOS which could be something to make users home more alive with ai in their systems and products I definitely think this is possible this year but we will see.
I am not sure on the homeOS side and I bet the new iPad mini would come with an M2 chip. Still it would likely have the specs to handle Apple Intelligence and could be a cost-competitive option for using at home.
I think the Thread network should be able to connect to a Mac or iPad or Apple TV to deliver the command to be processed there. Would be a very dumb move to tell everyone their smart speakers are now dumb speakers.
We could also imagine to have a new « Apple smart screen » and all Siri request done on HomePods centrally processed by this new smart screen We will see 😉
Hey so I’m a time traveler from the future. Apple discontinues the iPad mini and makes a smart home display that looks oddly like an iPad mini and it’s loaded with HomeKit OS. You can also buy a magnetic speaker base for the display for an extra $500. But it doubles as a stand and speaker combo. Your welcome 😂
I think that the HomePods will most likely use the new Apple Secure Cloud Computing infrastructure. It’s the only way to go. That’ll empower those devices to do just as much as the more powerful hardware, at the cost of a slight delay reaching cloud servers.
So why can't we set up something like my daily driver M2 Mac mini, or hell, a used M1 Mac mini as a dedicated server that all the small and cheap devices use as a cloud processor instead of going out to the actual cloud? Won't be as fast as on device maybe, but should as secure with your data.
I dont even care that I just dropped $1200+ on converting from Alex to HomePods, if they update new home pods to support Apple Intelligence, I will be upgrading again.
to I'd love just be able to tell the homepod to use the iPhone Siri for their response. Homepod has the least features of all the "Siri's" yet is always the dominant one when at home. Will make using apple intelligence useless. Or switch it off or make Siri on a homepod useless
To remain relevant Apple is going to have to work this out. Next destination is tech is all of us will have an individual AI with us and embedding one in our home is logical. The question is will it be networked AI or on device AI. On device AI fits Apples agenda but that does not make it a guaranteed winner and it remains the more challenging and expensive of the two for implementation. Looking to Nvidia it is clear that a basic device like their Jetson sits at around $600 and we can expect this to come down rapidly.
Hopefully Apple Intelligence is exactly that when I ask Siri something hopefully she will actually answer the question like Google does and not say "I found something and you can see it on your phone" if I wanted to look at my phone to find something, I would've searched it there , I want to be able to randomly ask Siri things without getting frustrated and just asking Google instead, I once made a joke video on how I live with three women , my wife Dee , , Siri , Alexa , and of course, Google ;) each have their purpose. It would just be nice if Siri would answer questions directly... since Apple Intelligence does sometimes use the Internet. It wouldn't need processing power to answer questions logically or complete tasks in your Apple environment. ..
I think they would be much more intelligent when you didnt have to re-install then every 2 days. Or when apple home would stop loosing. Then every other day.
HomePod mini is dumb as it stands today. It does not execute orders by itself except for playing music or setting an alarm. My observation that it goes back to the iPhone or iPad to execute HomeKit or shortcuts orders. That worked with Apple since it is on device processing in a sense. Keeping the same approach as is would be more logical, otherwise you will pay for redundant hardware that you don’t need. 50% of the times, my iPhone picks up the voice command when I’m in closer proximity to the HomePod mini. And when it does not, the Apple Remote stays stuck on the iPhone screen. Since they established a secured line between devices on the network, capable Apple devices can receive the instruction from another device, process it and send it back. Consider it as a local cloud.
They likely won't get LLM-based processing of requests, unless there's a way to send that over to more powerful devices in your home. That will likely be slower and not coming soon as Apple hasn't announced anything around it yet.
Apple still hasn’t launched AI. It will becoming later this year. I’m thinking (and hoping) Apple will then update the HomePods to use AI. Otherwise they’ll become some expensive bricks, as Siri currently sucks! I have one HomePod 2 and six minis.
There's another way Apple could provide a better-AI experience for people, especially for people in larger houses. They could sell smart-home displays with some level of AI-capability for maybe $250, but then sell a home-hub which has considerably more AI-power. The layout and construction of my (older) house is such that I'd need at *least* five displays to do a minimal job of providing smart-home access everywhere in my house. Add a sixth if I want to have that ability in my garage (which is detached from the house). Do I want to spend six times $750? And then I watch the next Apple event which introduces that year's AI-greatness, but to benefit from it I'll have to replace all six devices? I have to say that I'm not eager to live that possible future. But how about spending ten times $250, plus spending $1000 on *one* device in my house which has considerably more AI power? My own "on-premise AI cloud server". And then when the M8 chip is released with 400 times the AI-power, I upgrade by replacing just the one device and not six separate screens? What is it that I really want to have in every room? I want a device with a nice touch-screen display, a speaker, a microphone, and the ability to communicate with other smart-devices (using WiFi, Thread, UWB technology, whatever). That's the most that I would like in every room. I also want much better AI ability, but I don't need a device in every *room* for that. It will be fine if I have just one device in my house to handle the AI chores instead of running out to some cloud computer server farm.
I love the idea of base and sattelite devices if they could get the performance to be fast and reliable. It would help cover homes like yours without breaking the bank or compromising on locations.
I don't think your concept of scenes and assistants, and such is the same as mine. I don't WANT to install buttons and switches all over my house. I buy smart enabled devices and I do not mind (even currently) how Siri can turn my lights to a different hue, or lock my door. The whole smart home I thought, was getting things done NOT manually. Putting a button ON a desk instead of IN the wall is just installing a button or switch in a non traditional manner to me. I want my assistant to do this stuff....I want it to know MY voice and not that of influencers repeatedly saying her catch phrase and when I ask him/her to place something on my grocery list, it goes on MY grocery list. Being able to have Siri know and keep information about me secure in my eco system would be great for future orders through door-dash...Hey Siri order my go to Door-dash order and pay with my Apple card. Just convenience is all I need, but install more manual items all over my house...naw dawg that's gonna be a no from me.
If you insult Siri you get "that's not nice" or " I won't respond to that" but if you start with "thank you for" or "you're good at" Siri is happy to respond to any insult. The next Siri is going to profile me to share my comments to my government if I speak against it.
I think they would be much more intelligent when you didnt have to re-install then every 2 days. Or when apple home would stop loosing. Then every other day.
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I could see Apple modifying HomePodOS to communicate with a local AI-capable device so that they could still take requests and deliver results by communicating to that device without needing all of the processing power in each HomePod.
HomePods will just use the private cloud. easy.
Apple TV with 8 Gigs of ram! Also your phone, computer and tablet.
@@Aggie4life77 8 is almost too much. I can have 500 tabs open in safari on my Mac... awesome!!!
I agree, this seems like a logical approach. Apple have already setup additional communication between Mac and iPhone with iPhone Mirroring, so AI offloading seems reasonable. It would also be very Apple to create a HomePod/AppleTV Pro, pricing it to sell would be difficult though.
@CrisCheese_ it is private though. and very fast.
I’d pay handsomely for a HomeKit hub that will process most of my requests locally. I can see a wold where an M4 based system with 16gb of ram and a 12 inch screen would sell for under 1k. It’s essentially a MacBook Air without a keyboard, a smaller screen, no battery, but better speakers. Alternatively, a powerful Apple TV also makes a lot of sense.
This may be why they delayed the Apple TV hardware update that was rumored. They could be planning a smart display or TV/game console like Nvidia Shield,especially with how focused they were on gaming platforms at WWDC. Powerful tech for a hub and good revenue from games for them.
You're describing an ipad
@@Fawstah Right, but you can no longer use an iPad as a dedicated hub.
An M4 device just to drive a display and host Matter/Thread protocols is extreme overkill, don’t u think?!? Apple will NEVER do that, u can take that to the bank.
@@AlmightyEyeit does make since for an Apple TV to act as a hub!
I’d love HomePods to actually play what I ask it to from Apple Music and not some random song.
lol! I agree. It’s getting better for me over time though. It’s certainly better than Sonos voice assistant for me too
I sincerely hope Apple brings surround sound formats to a quad or more pairing of HomePods. 4 HomePod minis, meaning surround sound for $400 is a killer deal and way to get more people to see the benefit of Dolby Atmos and more
Or allow you to have 2 of those big homepods in front and the minis behind you. Or if you would really like to go crazy and spend, 4 big ones.
I think HomePod minis as rear surrounds paired with two full size HomePods would be super cool, especially if they also made a sub.
The minis don’t have the ability to adapt to the room like the regular HomePod does so I don’t see that ever happening. That being said 4 regular HomePods at $300 a pice with there adaptive capabilities paired with an Apple TV I could see being a serious competitor for something like the Sony HT-A9 or the Bravia theater quad at a price that’s hard to beat.
@@EricWelanderit sure would, but it won’t happen for business reasons
Hopefully, with the early fall release, we'll get an M-series-based AppleTV (8k?) that will provide more powerful gaming AND the ability to act as a selectable primary home hub/clearing house for Siri voice requests. I think this is part of the reason why they opened up allowing non-Apple HomeKit-enabled devices to be able to essentially act as remote microphones for Siri requests--your HomePods will essentially become smarter versions of that kind of device where Siri requests are concerned.
This makes a lot of sense
I literally came to the comments to say the same thing! Apple TV will play a big part in Apple intelligence in the home!
Either that or a Mac Mini or a device based on it as a central smart home controller/server.
I have MagSafe chargers all over my house and frequently use the iPhone in addition to HomePod mini in every room. Perfect set up.
That's great Jody!
Amazing video Eric, thanks for sharing.
I would love a larger calendar size screen with an Ethernet port as my HomeHub that improves my HomePod Minis around the house.
It would be interesting if they broke off AI processing into a separate SoC that they could put in not just iPhone but also Apple Watch and things like HomePod mini.
I agree with you, Eric! However, I would love them to make homeOS. some type of relay software that uses your iPhone or other smart device inside your home to power AI that way all your current Apple HomePods can be made smart and you wouldn’t have to buy all new ones
I agree I hope they don't leave current-gen HomePod users behind.
Hey man, enjoy your vids. Keep them coming. Just more of a question, but wouldn’t the M1 iPads or even the M2 iPad Air be the cheapest entry into the new Apple Intelligence. Would also address the form factor, like a smart screen, as you were saying.
Thanks again.
Thank you! You are correct, the cheapest M2 Air is $100 cheaper than the MacBook Air
I have 6 Homepods and Minis (plus an Apple watch) all through my house for that moment when I've fallen and can't get up:
"Siri, call 911."
I’m sorry, you’ll need to unlock your iPhone first.
“Sure, here’s a playlist just for you”.
Sorry there is a glitch ask again later
Not connected to the internet try again later
Something went wrong with your request again later
Alright playing music
Sorry you will have to unlock your iPhone first
Who is speaking make sure your profile is the same as your iPhone
Don’t you think that the HomePods will connect through tread to devices with M chips (that all have a thread radio that at the moment is disabled) ?
What if they just allow HomePods to access Cloud Compute to answer more complex requests? Wouldn’t the request then be processed on the server therefore not require the HomePod to have a powerful processor?
Yes but compute power is expensive.
I was thinking of moving away from the amazon ecosystem and going with the homepods potentially with an extra ipad air M1 that I have for my kitchen. I believe you can wirelessly connect your ipad to a homepod to be used as the speaker output for the ipad. Will this setup give me the same functionality as having a home smart speaker with a display and the power to use Apple intelligence functionality? The other room I would want to use a homepod mini is my office where I have my M1 macbook pro. I keep my macbook plugged in and on all the time. Again, I am not sure if you could wirelessly connect a homepod and use it as the speaker output my Macbook. Any advice is greatly appreciated. I do like the sound quality of the homepod speakers including the homepod mini. Sorry for the long comment.
With Apple AirPlay (built right into the OS of all(?) Apple devices), you can send audio to nearly every one of your other Apple devices.
The full size Homepods have the ability to pair in stereo.
This could work out nicely with a couple things to keep in mind. First is I would create a Shortcut that sets the iPads audio destination to the desired speakers so it's easy to do in one tap. You could make a couple for different zones in your home where audio plays. Second keep in mind that AirPlay multi-room audio isn't the fastest and most responsive system for this. Controlling Sonos speakers over the Sonos system will give you faster performance but the iPad doesn't lock you into just using AirPlay. You are making me want to build one of these for myself lol!
I am not a tech expert but what happens, e.g., currently when you touch or get near your homepod or minis and it transfers music to them. Now, what happens if you touch or get near them for the purpose of allowing them to now be just an external microphone that will transfer your search query back to your iphone that will do all the A.I. stuff and then broadcast it back to your homepod/mini that way no one has to run out and start upgrading their homepods/minis
Another great video !...The iPhone 13's processor the A15 Bionic chip has the equivalent processing power of the M1 which is getting the "Apple Intelligence" feature...It even has the same Neural Engine as the M1 all iPhones sold since including the iPad mini 6 Apple needs to get this out of beta and in people's hands that's paid for this processing power.
Much love from all the UK 😊
Great discussion. If SIRI improvements are directly tied to Intelligence, does it mean any non-compatible device “gets stuck with dumb SIRI”? After WWDC, it sure seemed like Watch, TV, and HomePods were left out.
I think the MagSafe idea is a great one though how would Siri know when room it’s in. Usually with a speaker in each room it knows what room it’s in and the request doesn’t have to be too specific.
Maybe it could use LIDAR in some way?
It could use Ultra-wideband between your phone and HomePod(s).
I love the idea of a MagSafe stand somehow becoming an official part of your Apple Home
Why didn’t apple use the “Private Cloud Compute” branding to mean end-user owned devices teaming-up to process requests locally. If an apple user has an iPad with M4, a MacBook with M3, a TV with A15 Bionic, and an iPhone with A17 pro. That is a lot of processing power sitting unused at any given moment.
If we estimate these chips to be on average about a powerful as M1 that is like an M1 Max chip, but potentially more.
It’s a good point that all that power is sitting there. I think the mesh between all that could potentially be slow. But I also think that’s why Apple has gated so much to newer devices. I think they want Private Cloud Compute to only run when it’s absolutely necessary and not for every request from a HomePod mini
Dumb question -- when using HomePod mini -- is it accessing Apple Music on its own, or being streamed through your iPhone? So if it is, it'd be the same with Apple Intelligence just feeding answers through to HomePod mini?
It is processing directly from the HomePod, that started in 2021, more than likely new home devices released from apple going forward will be updated with the hardware to support apple intelligence (reminds me of apple switching their laptops and desktops to the m series). It doesn’t stream from your iPhone to your HomePod when it comes to Siri, hopefully that answers ur question
Thank you Dylan. Yes that's my understanding as well
I have been considering why Apple is allowing us to finally pick which home hub is our default “connected” hub. It may relate to your postulation that we’ll need a beefier hub for controlling AI based commands. If we have just a few new hubs with internal hardware sufficient for executing AI commands, and one of these is the default connected hub, the other hubs in the house could serve as intermediaries between you (wherever you are in the house) and the AI-ready hub. Given how many hubs I have now - especially the HPg2 hubs - I really hope some sort of considered approach like this will be provided. There’s little impact on delay time for sending and receiving the language between our nearby hub and the AI hub and this is the only reason I see for not implementing an approach of this ilk. Other than the boatloads of money they could make from people upgrading…
That’s a great point on why choosing your hub would be so important.
An AppleTV with an M2 cpu would be a kick ass device. Should be able to handle 8k video, be a great gaming console, handle AI for the homekit and generally do a lot of things. Not sure why Apple hasn't put out one yet.
“Great Intelligence comes with great privacy” hahah I love that!
I did also wonder if Apple might offload “intelligence” requests to our phones. But I fear that’ll make them even slower than they already are. As you mentioned the HomePods are so slow/unreliable I hardly ever use them to control smart home devices (part of my original reason for buying them) because pulling out my phone to ask Siri is quicker and less prone to disaster (turning everything on including opening windows and running vacuums).
Also small detail, but I like the fact we’ve come up with the same solution for mounting the FP2 underneath a magnetic HomePod mount 👌
I’ve also long come to the same conclusion about smart buttons and automations.
My smart home ethos has gone from
“Smart homes are about being able to control things with your phone or voice”
To
“Smart homes are about never needing to use your phone or voice, because everything just happens”
I guess you’re right. I kinda wish (and I know they never will) they would do something somewhat like Brilliant where they would just make a small display, like the size of an iPhone, that would replace switches in your various rooms in your smart home and display the accessories within that room on the display. It would be connected to power, have whatever chip necessary and have Siri 2.0 onboard. Basically if Apple did the Brilliant thing, but the Apple way.
I can see Apple going the route of micro-cloud processing where complex requests are accepted by the smart speakers sent locally to a Mac that's capable of processing the request and then sending the results back to the smart speaker all done via local IP address mapping instead of sending through an external cloud. Ideally, I would love it if this also meant the return of the Apple Airport routers but I’m not so sure that's likely. Can you imagine a router with a binned M1 with 8 gigs ram or even 16 to future-proof?
Will HomePods just use the private cloud compute?
The fact they created "personal cloud compute" but didn't make it available on iPhone 14 or older does not make me very optimistic. They are going to milk our wallets for sure.
Will the older HomePods get apple intelligence?
I think you’ll see HomePod Gen 3 with neural engine on a SoC like the Apple Watch Ultra 2.
That would be great! But Apple Watch Ultra 2 isn’t getting Apple Intelligence.
On more than one occasion I have sent my thoughts to Apple’s feedback site regarding the development of a centralized HomeKit device that could not only act as a router replacement for the AirPort Extreme, but perhaps could also link together with HomePod minis to create a Wi-Fi mesh network. I’d be curious to know to what extent Apple reads any of these comments, but I would definitely encourage everyone to send feedback directly to the company.
Mmm. Not sure I agree. Seems like there will be a hierarchy of intelligence delegation depending on what is required for a request. If a request is too complicated for a smart speaker the delegate it to a local IPhone, IPad, or MBP with a more advanced neural chip. If that isn’t enough, delegate the request to the Apple Intelligence cloud. If that isn’t enough, delegate the request to ChatGPT. The hierarchy could be configurable depending on privacy needs. Seems like we should be able to continue to use cheap edge devices for local IO while delegating to higher intelligence to l newer local devices or external clouds. Old devices may be recycled to work as local border routers or smart displays.
Doesn't this need the newer chips to work meaning all current HomePods won't work with Apple Intelligence? Guessing this is why they didn't mention it at all and are probably looking to update the chips in September
There’s a good chance older models could relay requests to a newer model, and older ones would continue to work as-is without new hardware in the home. But yes I bet there’s another hardware part to drop here before they have more to say
Not happen to the old mini
I think an Apple TV running on an A18 bionic chip would be the cheapest and most logical solution for having a resident AI that works as a central hub.
Please do a show on why Siri sucks so much. Here's the frequent response from Siri with regards to HomeKit control: "The __________ is not responding." This happens even though you can immediately go into the Home app and trigger the actions from there. If the device was really having some sort of connectivity trouble, then I would get a no response message in the Home app. So the devices don't have any issues, it's Siri that's the problem.
Surely the home pod utilises the connected device to take advantage of AI and relays the response back to the home pod 🤔
I have almost all the Apple products except HomePods. I swore that I would not get any until Siri was smarter. If and when I see a smarter Siri on the HomePods I’ll pull the trigger but not before
Good video!
I am waiting for a M1/M2 powered Apple TV as HomeKit Apple Intelligence HomeServer.
There is another commonality between all Apple Intelligence devices. Which I believe is very intentional and very important to the HomePod.
A Thread Radio. Mic 🎤 drop
Great point, but I don't think Thread is designed to carry this much data.
Been waiting for that video
Ugh NO! I love my HomePod minis and I hope they get better from Apple PLEASE 😭
Dang it, you turned on “This Scene” and “That Scene” in my house after saying “Siri”. (Jk, but that would have been hilarious, and now I need two new scenes.)
Hey Siri create "this scene" where all the lights turn off and the thermostat is set to cool to 60ºF 😏
What about one expensive speaker that acts as the hub for Ai requests?
It would make a lot of sense for them to make a new HomePod to gain new ai systems and the rumor about it with a screen has got me wondering as the rumor suggested we will see it with a iPad mini sometime this year but there is no new iPad mini at the moment to support the ai features so Apple could just make a new iPad mini with the m4 chip which would handle the ai since Apple announces product in the fall with iPhones, Apple Watch, iPads sometimes, AirPods, and this new HomePod could be a consideration in September or October this year I this this new HomePod could unveil the rumored homeOS which could be something to make users home more alive with ai in their systems and products I definitely think this is possible this year but we will see.
I am not sure on the homeOS side and I bet the new iPad mini would come with an M2 chip. Still it would likely have the specs to handle Apple Intelligence and could be a cost-competitive option for using at home.
I think the Thread network should be able to connect to a Mac or iPad or Apple TV to deliver the command to be processed there. Would be a very dumb move to tell everyone their smart speakers are now dumb speakers.
I don’t think Thread is meant to handle this much data, but I agree I hope there’s an option to relay requests from older speakers
We could also imagine to have a new « Apple smart screen » and all Siri request done on HomePods centrally processed by this new smart screen
We will see 😉
Yes if they can make this fast enough it would be nice.
Hey so I’m a time traveler from the future. Apple discontinues the iPad mini and makes a smart home display that looks oddly like an iPad mini and it’s loaded with HomeKit OS. You can also buy a magnetic speaker base for the display for an extra $500. But it doubles as a stand and speaker combo.
Your welcome 😂
I think that the HomePods will most likely use the new Apple Secure Cloud Computing infrastructure. It’s the only way to go. That’ll empower those devices to do just as much as the more powerful hardware, at the cost of a slight delay reaching cloud servers.
tbh im thinking when apple annouces the new iphones it will include a new cput thats designed for ai and then will also add that to homepod
So why can't we set up something like my daily driver M2 Mac mini, or hell, a used M1 Mac mini as a dedicated server that all the small and cheap devices use as a cloud processor instead of going out to the actual cloud? Won't be as fast as on device maybe, but should as secure with your data.
No need to worry. In a year or two, Apple will come out with a truly smart speaker, for $1,000
HomePod Pro 😅
Lol! What I'm getting at is fewer, but more powerful smart speakers / Apple TV / home hubs. I know I couldn't afford a $1000 speaker in every room.
I dont even care that I just dropped $1200+ on converting from Alex to HomePods, if they update new home pods to support Apple Intelligence, I will be upgrading again.
Glad to hear you are getting value from your HomePods...Enjoy your set up!
to I'd love just be able to tell the homepod to use the iPhone Siri for their response. Homepod has the least features of all the "Siri's" yet is always the dominant one when at home. Will make using apple intelligence useless. Or switch it off or make Siri on a homepod useless
To remain relevant Apple is going to have to work this out. Next destination is tech is all of us will have an individual AI with us and embedding one in our home is logical. The question is will it be networked AI or on device AI. On device AI fits Apples agenda but that does not make it a guaranteed winner and it remains the more challenging and expensive of the two for implementation. Looking to Nvidia it is clear that a basic device like their Jetson sits at around $600 and we can expect this to come down rapidly.
I don’t need a MagSafe charger in the kitchen. My iPhone can answer Siri requests also without that
Oh good man do you think it’s wise to use Apple and Intelligence in the same sentence ?
Hopefully Apple Intelligence is exactly that when I ask Siri something hopefully she will actually answer the question like Google does and not say "I found something and you can see it on your phone" if I wanted to look at my phone to find something, I would've searched it there , I want to be able to randomly ask Siri things without getting frustrated and just asking Google instead, I once made a joke video on how I live with three women , my wife Dee , , Siri , Alexa , and of course, Google ;) each have their purpose. It would just be nice if Siri would answer questions directly... since Apple Intelligence does sometimes use the Internet. It wouldn't need processing power to answer questions logically or complete tasks in your Apple environment. ..
Feb 1, 2023 - Just like the first HomePod, the HomePod 2 will leave a white mark on some wood furniture.
I think they would be much more intelligent when you didnt have to re-install then every 2 days. Or when apple home would stop loosing. Then every other day.
If they can make a HomePod that doesn’t suck I’ll be tossing all my best home speakers (which also suck but I got most of them free)
HomePod mini is dumb as it stands today. It does not execute orders by itself except for playing music or setting an alarm. My observation that it goes back to the iPhone or iPad to execute HomeKit or shortcuts orders. That worked with Apple since it is on device processing in a sense. Keeping the same approach as is would be more logical, otherwise you will pay for redundant hardware that you don’t need. 50% of the times, my iPhone picks up the voice command when I’m in closer proximity to the HomePod mini. And when it does not, the Apple Remote stays stuck on the iPhone screen. Since they established a secured line between devices on the network, capable Apple devices can receive the instruction from another device, process it and send it back. Consider it as a local cloud.
M based HomePod with 8GB is coming soon.
Prediction: They will release HomePods and Apple TV with m4 chip very soon but not on the new Mac’s until 2025
M4 isn’t needed. They could use the chip in iPhone 13 Pro as long as it had 8GB RAM it will still work.
AI-enabled HomePods just make sense.
Wait so my home pods will be stuck with Siri 1.0?
They likely won't get LLM-based processing of requests, unless there's a way to send that over to more powerful devices in your home. That will likely be slower and not coming soon as Apple hasn't announced anything around it yet.
Siri blows. I doubt ai will fix that.
So I just found out all the new Siri enhancement do not Apple to HomeKit.
With smarter requests and app intents, I bet we will get Apple Home support pretty early on, but not on the current generation of HomePods
Yes, or Apple could upgrade the CPU in HomePod v2.
Apple still hasn’t launched AI. It will becoming later this year. I’m thinking (and hoping) Apple will then update the HomePods to use AI. Otherwise they’ll become some expensive bricks, as Siri currently sucks! I have one HomePod 2 and six minis.
There's another way Apple could provide a better-AI experience for people, especially for people in larger houses. They could sell smart-home displays with some level of AI-capability for maybe $250, but then sell a home-hub which has considerably more AI-power. The layout and construction of my (older) house is such that I'd need at *least* five displays to do a minimal job of providing smart-home access everywhere in my house. Add a sixth if I want to have that ability in my garage (which is detached from the house).
Do I want to spend six times $750? And then I watch the next Apple event which introduces that year's AI-greatness, but to benefit from it I'll have to replace all six devices? I have to say that I'm not eager to live that possible future. But how about spending ten times $250, plus spending $1000 on *one* device in my house which has considerably more AI power? My own "on-premise AI cloud server". And then when the M8 chip is released with 400 times the AI-power, I upgrade by replacing just the one device and not six separate screens?
What is it that I really want to have in every room? I want a device with a nice touch-screen display, a speaker, a microphone, and the ability to communicate with other smart-devices (using WiFi, Thread, UWB technology, whatever). That's the most that I would like in every room. I also want much better AI ability, but I don't need a device in every *room* for that. It will be fine if I have just one device in my house to handle the AI chores instead of running out to some cloud computer server farm.
I love the idea of base and sattelite devices if they could get the performance to be fast and reliable. It would help cover homes like yours without breaking the bank or compromising on locations.
I HOPE to have AI on homepods
But I think that they might make a new product that will be the “Brain” of homepods
Or they might use Apple TV for that
Unless they cram M4 pro and 19gb ram in homepod, No apple intelligence wont be on HomePods
dude looks like tim cook
I don't think your concept of scenes and assistants, and such is the same as mine. I don't WANT to install buttons and switches all over my house. I buy smart enabled devices and I do not mind (even currently) how Siri can turn my lights to a different hue, or lock my door. The whole smart home I thought, was getting things done NOT manually. Putting a button ON a desk instead of IN the wall is just installing a button or switch in a non traditional manner to me. I want my assistant to do this stuff....I want it to know MY voice and not that of influencers repeatedly saying her catch phrase and when I ask him/her to place something on my grocery list, it goes on MY grocery list. Being able to have Siri know and keep information about me secure in my eco system would be great for future orders through door-dash...Hey Siri order my go to Door-dash order and pay with my Apple card. Just convenience is all I need, but install more manual items all over my house...naw dawg that's gonna be a no from me.
Software update is still mediocre Siri is still lacking to the point where I don’t use it.
Apple spins things.
Apple Intelligence hasn’t been released yet
jee i am the 1 one to react
lol, never gonna happen.
Apple don’t care about homepods
Watch it folks. Apple money grab.
too much speculation, all the different versions of siri right now is already dumb af
If you insult Siri you get "that's not nice" or " I won't respond to that" but if you start with "thank you for" or "you're good at" Siri is happy to respond to any insult. The next Siri is going to profile me to share my comments to my government if I speak against it.
I think they would be much more intelligent when you didnt have to re-install then every 2 days. Or when apple home would stop loosing. Then every other day.