Italy's Most Famous Train: Intercity Notte Siracusa - Rail Ferry - Milano in Deluxe Sleeping Car

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  • Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
  • Part 1 (Siracusa - Villa San Giovanni):
    Train: Intercity Notte ICN 1982
    From: Siracusa, Sicily
    To: Milano Centrale
    Route via: Catania, Messina, Villa San Giovanni, Rosarno, Lamezia Terme, Salerno, Roma Ostiense, Pisa, Viareggio, La Spezia, Genova Piazza Principe, Tortona
    Travel Class: Deluxe Sleeping Car, Cabina Singolo (Vagone Letto Deluxe)
    Car No: 03
    Berth No: 21
    Price: EUR 84.90
    Fare: Super Economy VL Uso Singolo - Cabina Intera
    Bought online on: trenitalia.com
    Scheduled travel time (Siracusa - Milano): 21 hours and 50 minutes
    Departure from Siracusa: 13h35 cet
    Arrival in Milano Centrale: 11h25 cet
    Travel season: September 2021
    Occupancy: 80%
    Train operator: Trenitalia, Gruppo Ferrovie dello Stato Italiane (FS)
    Electric Locomotive Siracusa - Messina: FS Class E.464 (E.464 246 and E.464 345 , built by Bombardier Transportation)
    Railway ferry Strait of Messina: “Messina” (commissioned in 2012)
    Hotel in Siracusa: Grand Hotel Ortigia
    Music:
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    High Life by Richard Smithson
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    Journey by Tim Schaufert
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    Music: Air By by Richard Smithson
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Комментарии • 135

  • @ursulamirbach6216
    @ursulamirbach6216 2 года назад +63

    Train travel has way more style than air travel. And overnight train travel is nostalgic: approaching a destination in slow speed, anticipating the vacation and experiencing the landscapes of a country. Sleeper trains have been revived all over Europe recently, great initiative, long may they live! Tx 4 video!

  • @vincenzomedica9543
    @vincenzomedica9543 2 года назад +15

    Ti ringrazio di cuore,viaggio effettuato almeno 60 volte,essendo emigrato al nord italia, ma originario di noto,dopo i video bellissimi sulla Transiberiana, questo e il preferito.
    grazie dei tuoi video...

  • @ivoperugia
    @ivoperugia 2 года назад +28

    I have no words to express the joy about this video because i am fall in love with Italy. I have gratuated in Roma Tre university and had spend a lot of time in Sicily and Calabria for several university intership. I know every single station between Messina and Palermo or Messina- Catania, even on the line Naples-Reggio Calabria. This video make me cry just because I really love these palces. Not so the trains, but these places are magical memory for me. And this sea, this mithical story of Magna Crecia... I have no words. Be bleess doc7austin`s and be save. Слава Україні! Героям слава!

    • @HAVEaYOU10
      @HAVEaYOU10 Год назад

      THEY SENT THE LEOPARD SO I GIVE BAACK ARNOLD TO YOU.

  • @cxura
    @cxura 2 года назад +27

    This train brings back to me a lot of memories of when I was a kid travelling from Torino to the south for the summer with my grandparents. It was an exciting adventure… sleeping in the top bunk and waking up to check where we were approaching… such a lovely memory ☺️ Waiting for part 2!

    • @robertop7602
      @robertop7602 2 года назад +4

      C'è poco da fare il treno è il miglior mezzo di trasporto .

    • @ursulamirbach6216
      @ursulamirbach6216 2 года назад +5

      Travelled from Cologne to Rome, Firenze, Venezia several times on sleeper trains in the 80ies and 90ies and it is fabulous: first travelling along the Rhine with all its hilltop castles and vineyards, then waking up somewhere in the Swiss Alps the next morning, train snaking along lakes and crossing bridges and tunnels.

  • @questaebenzinah2600
    @questaebenzinah2600 2 года назад +5

    Ricorda un po' i vecchi allestimenti degli anni 90... Che viaggi che erano!

  • @MrPatapuf007
    @MrPatapuf007 2 года назад +11

    Perfect, as always. Thank you. I send greetings from the Czech Republic :-)

  • @MrJohnblaine
    @MrJohnblaine Год назад +2

    Italy is so beautiful

  • @ringo7561
    @ringo7561 2 года назад +17

    Great video, what an outstanding job you did, very well done. I hope to do this trip one day. Once again, thanks for creating and posting this.

    • @ringo7561
      @ringo7561 2 года назад +3

      Can't wait for part 2

  • @fiveinitaly
    @fiveinitaly 2 года назад +1

    Incredible 😀😀😀 great sharing 👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @fabiofiorucci6239
    @fabiofiorucci6239 2 года назад +2

    Bellissimo video! Da romano non conosco Siracusa ...grave pecca! Grazie comunque

  • @spacer62
    @spacer62 Год назад +1

    Excellent. This video reminds me of some of the Sicilian train-scenes in Antonioni's film L'Avventura. Both heros travel along the Northern coastline. Then, they kiss for the first time near Siracusa and a train is visible in the background. ...

  • @trainsoftheworld1
    @trainsoftheworld1 2 года назад +6

    Great tour and a great video! :) Ive just put that on my list of routes I need to travel someday :))

  • @Thomas1980
    @Thomas1980 2 года назад +2

    Nice video 👍
    Thumbs Up and Kind regards

  • @tjittekamminga5170
    @tjittekamminga5170 2 месяца назад +2

    lovely voyage; we made it long ago! bella Italia

  • @parsifalBN
    @parsifalBN 2 года назад +17

    The train ride from either termini on Sicily (Palermo and Siracusa) is one of the most beautiful journeys Ihave made… the trains are seldom crowded on the island, but fill up on the way to the north. Concerning the fears of suspending the service: there was a comitment to fund new rolling stock for the night services to sicily by the italian government, using money provided by the european Unions Recovery Fund . Although most trains for longer distances in Italy are High speed trains nowadays, there is a great demand for overnight services for citizens working in the northern parts and visiting friends and family in the south. Hopefully we will be able to travel like that in many years to come

  • @bklynbubba
    @bklynbubba 2 года назад +6

    Wonderful video and can't wait for part 2! I had the same experiences on two other European night trains - Nice to Strasbourg and Bari to Venice, no food, no water. By the time I made the second trip I learned my lesson and brought enough sustenance with me!

  • @danilo_gre
    @danilo_gre 2 года назад +8

    This video is fantastic! Intercity 1962/1963 is my favourite train for Milan. I prefer the intercity night to the Frecciarossa because the trip is much more relaxing. My trip start in Amantea (Calabria).
    The Frecciarossa (44:42) is not Roma - Reggio Calabria, but Torino/Milano - Reggio Calabria it passes through Rome 😉

  • @Beso986
    @Beso986 2 года назад +3

    Thank you for sharing! Great video, great trip!

  • @unutentequalsiasi5669
    @unutentequalsiasi5669 2 года назад +2

    I was surprised that you were surprised that the conductor does not ask for the ticket on Italian night trains. They tend to check when the train is full, otherwise at the station or during the ride. Yes, in Italy everything is quieter, and I tell you this as an Italian. Thanks for come in Italy for your Holidays

  • @4kspain
    @4kspain 2 года назад +6

    What an incredible tour! I really had so much fun! Thanks! 😁😍💖

  • @walkingeverywhere4k831
    @walkingeverywhere4k831 2 года назад +5

    I love train rides! Always put me in an adventourous mood to discover the world! Thanks for sharing!👍☺️

  • @AleksandrVorobev2005
    @AleksandrVorobev2005 2 года назад +4

    Замечательное видео Европейских путешествий!!!👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️

  • @unutentequalsiasi5669
    @unutentequalsiasi5669 2 года назад

    A rail travel adventure: all day for a italian commutter 😅
    great video

  • @alessandrolaspina2856
    @alessandrolaspina2856 2 года назад +3

    Ohh ohh... Finally in Italy....and Sicily😄😄...Did you like the ferry carrying the train over the Strait of Messina? Ciao from Taormina-Sicily.

  • @vasilicastoica3943
    @vasilicastoica3943 2 года назад +1

    Auzi ITALIA, este țara visurilor mele 🥁🎺🎸🎥🎩🎬

  • @vasilicastoica3943
    @vasilicastoica3943 2 года назад +1

    Călătoria cu trenul 🚂🚞🚞🚞🚞, este un vis împlinit 😀🚅

  • @WaqasKhan-qm6yi
    @WaqasKhan-qm6yi 2 года назад +1

    Few months ago am traveling Catania Sicilia to Torino amazing 😍😍

  • @vasilicastoica3943
    @vasilicastoica3943 2 года назад +1

    Salutări din România Prietenilor 👋👋👋👋👋🇹🇩

  • @johngreene5660
    @johngreene5660 2 года назад +2

    Wonderful video congratulations. What a unique and beautiful journey. It seems to be very good value and you get a thunderstorm on a train as well. Sometimes rail companies fall down on little things like in this case no little items like soap supplied and no refreshments. Apart from that sounds fantastic

  • @Ikarus-er5rq
    @Ikarus-er5rq Год назад +2

    Absolutely superb video!

  • @geoffreymoore1510
    @geoffreymoore1510 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for a most interesting video. I appreciate the commentary in print as I am deaf and I did not know if you had commentary in vocal as well. let us know when the next part is on, if not already.

  • @The22esimoQuartiere
    @The22esimoQuartiere 2 года назад +1

    Ad un prossimo viaggio con l'Intercity devi provare la cabina Excelsior. È bellissima ✌️😉

  • @ChrisH-1952
    @ChrisH-1952 2 года назад +2

    Very good detail in this. Well done. Every review I've seen on this service comments on how bad the aircon is in the sleepers.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  2 года назад +2

      if you rely on good aircon, take the more modern couchette cars

  • @hansgeorggotze9601
    @hansgeorggotze9601 2 года назад +3

    Das ist Reisen in Reinkultur, ich liebe Italien mein absolutes Lieblingsreiseland.

  • @Paulo-qg3md
    @Paulo-qg3md 2 года назад +2

    Magnifico Vídeo ! Estive em Siracusa 5 dias de Férias, em Agosto de 2021. Foi maravilhoso, mas muito caro !

  • @jfmezei
    @jfmezei 2 года назад +6

    Surprised by lack of food service car on this train. Initially though they might add one when exiting ferry. But you didn't mention it. From a tourism point of view, the slow speed in Sicily and the windows that open make for a more interesting journey. I assume the train will speed up a lot in part 2 if it is to do that 79kmh average speed for overall trip. Looking forward to part 2.

    • @toddsholtis4470
      @toddsholtis4470 2 года назад +1

      The train ride was in the middle of the Covid Pandemic, i think that is the reason...

  • @basstrip73
    @basstrip73 2 года назад +1

    Excellent and beuitiful video as always Doc7Austin. I enjoy the great quality picture and the sounds of the train much more than videos with annoying music or someone babbling commentary all the way. This style of video is closest to the real thing and when I watch your videos I always look forward to my next journey. Thank you for documenting your travels and making life just a little bit more enjoyable for your viewers.

  • @osnat057
    @osnat057 Год назад

    תודה רבה על הסרטון והאינפורמציה.

  • @enricomonti156
    @enricomonti156 2 года назад +4

    I live in Malta, literally 30 minutes by flight from Catania. I'd have loved to go from Pozzallo (the closest railway station to Malta) to up north in Italy by train, but that would normally take more than 15 hours.
    In any case, Syracuse is a true gem

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  2 года назад

      wasnt it really difficult to fly between sicily and malta due to corona?

    • @enricomonti156
      @enricomonti156 2 года назад +1

      @@doc7austin I did fly last summer between Malta and Catania. Sicily had imposed a COVID test on arrival for everyone travelling from Malta and I had to take one myself. Even though technically you do not need a COVID test to travel, Sicily is still asking people arriving from Malta by air to do a COVID test upon arrival.
      As to travel from Malta, either you are fully vaccinated or else it's two weeks of quarantine in a hotel at your expense. However, this might change

  • @vasilicastoica3943
    @vasilicastoica3943 2 года назад +1

    Sicilia Italia, îmi place 👍👍, cel mai mult 💸

  • @EpicThe112
    @EpicThe112 2 года назад +3

    FS ETR Pop has been ordered by Deutsche Bahn for RMV Frankfurt Am Main Wiesbaden for Main Weser Bahn. These FS T2 coaches used to run to München Hbf via Brenner Bahn Innsbruck Hbf route when built Brand New. That meant DB BR103 110 Brenner to München Hbf then Italian locomotive Brenner to Roma Milano and Sicily

  • @NerdX151
    @NerdX151 2 года назад +3

    If I am not mistaken, that sleeper is from the old TEN pool. Quite a rare sight in 2022.

  • @SMILEVIDEOTRAINS
    @SMILEVIDEOTRAINS 2 года назад

    a wonderful presentation, full of interest and information. thank you

  • @mysakus
    @mysakus 2 года назад +1

    I got to ride this train sometimes! Thanks for great report

  • @lucabattioli4796
    @lucabattioli4796 2 года назад +1

    Davvero molto bello!!

  • @zerberus500
    @zerberus500 2 года назад +2

    Einfach nur GENIAL!👏👍

  • @rezaalan3991
    @rezaalan3991 2 года назад +2

    What a great trip

  • @timosha21
    @timosha21 2 года назад +1

    I'm a tram and I approve this video! Ding ding!

  • @manmeetsinghmahajan6183
    @manmeetsinghmahajan6183 2 года назад +3

    Amazing.

  • @gab_v250
    @gab_v250 2 года назад +3

    the state of the physical track is in dire need of repair. There are (approved) projects to build a new two-track line between Catania and Messina. But it will be mostly in tunnels (with a new underground station in Taormina), leaving behind the beautiful views that the current line offers.
    21:15 the Thello trains will probably never return, because Thello declared bankruptcy. And also because of high speed services between SNCF and Trenitalia became highly competitive.
    30:36 until recently the E656 was the main locomotive for intercity services in Sicily, but they decided that the locomotive series was too old (Despite being built in the 80s), and with the increase of EMUs, many E464 locos became redundant.
    Also there are plans to use the E464s in double traction also in the mainland on night sleeper trains.

  • @netrhyda8761
    @netrhyda8761 2 года назад +3

    very interesting adventure!

  • @dzmitrysalavei
    @dzmitrysalavei 2 года назад

    as usual one more railway masterpiece from the author!

  • @dominikgerhart5919
    @dominikgerhart5919 2 года назад +6

    Wonderful video, thank you. Could it be that the last shot of "Villa San Giovanni" does not match the rest of the video? I wondered why that train at 44:50 does look a bit odd, then I found out: That is the "Pearl of the Caucasus" trainset and the image is not taken in Italy as the electrification screams "USSR" ;-)

    • @kostenych
      @kostenych 2 года назад +4

      No, this is the Villa San Giovanni. Only in Russia.😂👍

  • @_vincent_
    @_vincent_ 2 года назад +1

    Nice video!

  • @simonbaker6962
    @simonbaker6962 2 года назад +2

    Great vid.....first post ..yea!

  • @ggreg2258
    @ggreg2258 Год назад

    Enjoyed the vid. Amazingly low price!

  • @tombombadil9123
    @tombombadil9123 2 года назад +2

    hotel is fantastic. hope (against hope) it isn't too expensive 😄

  • @patoaks3148
    @patoaks3148 2 года назад +1

    BRILLIANT!
    Can't wait for part II!
    For such low cost tickets, I think we could afford the costs of food, water and... soap 😉

    • @maryburger1232
      @maryburger1232 2 года назад

      But on an almost 22 hour journey it's bad service not having a buffet/dining car with food and drinks available.

  • @jezza1211
    @jezza1211 2 года назад +3

    Nice trip and video 🙂. I have question about safety. Can you lock your compartment when you walking on the ship deck?

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  2 года назад +3

      no, this is not possible unfortunately; you should take your valueables with you

  • @natraj_j
    @natraj_j 2 года назад +1

    Fantastic 👏

  • @jaroslavgrubo4816
    @jaroslavgrubo4816 2 года назад +1

    Vielen herzlichen Dank für Ihre wunderbaren Videos.👍 Welche Sprache sprechen Sie? Kann man nähere Informationen von Ihnen bekommen wie man selbst so verreisen kann? Freue mich auf Ihre Antwort. Ist vielleicht für alle Interessant. Liebe Grüße😀

  • @CJSnews
    @CJSnews 2 года назад +1

    Belissimo !

  • @richardbridges7664
    @richardbridges7664 2 года назад +3

    👍👍👍 super

  • @elegant_travelling
    @elegant_travelling 2 года назад +2

    Hi! Great video. Strange that you didn’t get an amenity kit. I did this exact journey in December and an amenity kit was provided (including soap) even i couchette class. An even bigger amenity kit is provided for sleeper class. Either the “capotreno” (train master) forgot, or perhaps they had run out?

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  2 года назад +1

      that kit was only handed out after lamezia terme; so i assume the capotreno only joined the train in lamezia; i will say more about this in part 2 of my video

  • @emilkarpo
    @emilkarpo 2 года назад +4

    44:50 ? Checking to see who is awake?

  • @vasilicastoica3943
    @vasilicastoica3943 2 года назад

    Ne vedem în curând 🤝🤝🤝🤝😀

  • @pmb9172
    @pmb9172 2 года назад +1

    Better to pick up the sleeper in Taormina just Down the coast and you can then book an Excelsior-cabin that includes your own loo and shower , sometimes the shared loo can get a bit ripe towards journeys end .

  • @BrawlStarsplayer80
    @BrawlStarsplayer80 Год назад +1

    I’m a Italian so I take the trains but I never tried intercity notte

  • @jbplanesandtrains7761
    @jbplanesandtrains7761 2 года назад

    So cool😍

  • @trainvlogs.r3434
    @trainvlogs.r3434 2 года назад +1

    Good

  • @spittaler
    @spittaler 2 года назад +4

    There is a small mistake in the video. At 44:49 it shows a scene from your trip through Russia.

    • @toddsholtis4470
      @toddsholtis4470 2 года назад

      Terrible mistake!

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  2 года назад

      why?

    • @toddsholtis4470
      @toddsholtis4470 2 года назад

      @@doc7austin just because what is going on now, whom gives 2 shits about anything related to Russia!

  • @Giao7513
    @Giao7513 2 года назад +3

    That's not mango. In this farm there are lemons and oranges.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  2 года назад +2

      it really look like mango; but, its more likely that were lemons

  • @cestmoi1262
    @cestmoi1262 2 года назад +3

    If this train is so famous and popular then why are there only 20 passengers on the train.

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  2 года назад +1

      good question;

    • @AmiNa-nw5ld
      @AmiNa-nw5ld 2 года назад +2

      It was filmed last September, so maybe because of the pandemic?

    • @FSantoro91
      @FSantoro91 2 года назад +1

      First of all, the pandemic basically slashed long-distance ridership through the country, and secondly because of the inconvenience of the timetable provided by Trenitalia - leaving too early from Siracusa to be a viable alternative to flying, and taking too much time to cover the 1500 km of the journey. Basically Trenitalia doesn't care about the train and the government isn't bold enough to buy new equipment for the service and offer the service to the best bidding company to provide the service.

    • @vincenzodibernardo9903
      @vincenzodibernardo9903 2 года назад

      Same travel by Plane 1h.30

  • @ДаняМироненко-ф9м
    @ДаняМироненко-ф9м 2 года назад +1

    What city are you from?

  • @cadusauer
    @cadusauer 2 года назад

    I can't find any ticket for ICN in Italy in the end of June.. any clue if it doesn't work during the summer season? Thanks!

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  2 года назад +3

      Please watch my video; Tickets for many ICN trains are only released 1-2 months before departure

    • @Mr_casaralta
      @Mr_casaralta 2 года назад

      The summer timetable isn’t published yet

  • @randomquestions7741
    @randomquestions7741 2 года назад

    do you like European travel or chinese train travel better?

  • @CalinFR
    @CalinFR 11 месяцев назад

    We have "the man at seat 61" who said there are amenities offered and a light breakfast. Here it is stated that 0 is offered. What is the latest updated info regarding this?

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  11 месяцев назад

      i think i got unlucky with the service

  • @enzo6379
    @enzo6379 2 года назад +2

    I did it!

  • @davidsas1483
    @davidsas1483 2 года назад +2

    Part 2 date ?????? :)

  • @alanfisher9465
    @alanfisher9465 2 года назад +1

    Where is part 2?

  • @vasilicastoica3943
    @vasilicastoica3943 2 года назад

    Marea Mediterană îi spune apa?🌊, partea dinspre sud, știu ceva 🚅🚅👍

  • @gaetanomamazza2310
    @gaetanomamazza2310 Год назад

    Where can I buy a ticket for this train? I would like to go from Catania to Milano Centrale

  • @giauz
    @giauz 2 года назад +1

    18:00 zero amenities? It's not true! Before Covid-19, Trenitalia gave to every customer a night-kit with soap, an eye-mask, a water bottle etc etc... I still have that box!
    37:16 Here in Sicily there is a very old tradition of eating an Arancino on these ferries...

    • @doc7austin
      @doc7austin  2 года назад +2

      the amenities were only handed out after lamezia terme

  • @ajoymahato46
    @ajoymahato46 2 года назад

    Please do a video of Venice Orient express

  • @MadMikeStyle
    @MadMikeStyle 9 месяцев назад

    C'è l'aeroporto a Catania... altro che 23 ore.

  • @marcinklimas2670
    @marcinklimas2670 2 года назад

    Curise ship is ok, when it's a regular ferry😁

  • @rozumwpromocji122
    @rozumwpromocji122 Год назад

    is couchette lockable? thanks

  • @MimeHTF5
    @MimeHTF5 2 года назад

    This is not the last Trainfery inEurope it is just the last Pasenger Trainfery

  • @ManachanJapan
    @ManachanJapan 2 года назад

    I don't get it. why would the government want to suspend a popular train service, that sells out quickly?? (Your comments at around 15:00). I understand if they need to save money, but won't cutting popular routes even cost you more than you save?
    I must say, Italian trains improved a lot. I was born in 1988 and from 1994 to 1999, we used night trains from Germany(not Munich leg!) to Milano and then Intercity connecting to the Adria every summer. I remember Italian trains as being stinky, with dirty toilets

  • @maciekwr
    @maciekwr 2 года назад +1

    24h journey and no showers?

  • @uschigaubatz6827
    @uschigaubatz6827 2 года назад

    Und das jetzt mit deutschen Untertiteln 😊

  • @gaetanomamazza2310
    @gaetanomamazza2310 Год назад

    I would like to get a single cabin

  • @juniorbramble7760
    @juniorbramble7760 2 года назад

    Government🪓Not enough passengers✍🏿

  • @sebastiano8138
    @sebastiano8138 5 месяцев назад

    La stazione di Catania centrale è diventata una stazione fantasma 😔

  • @dmitryfedyainov4788
    @dmitryfedyainov4788 Год назад

    На поездах из Москвы в Зеленоград / From Moscow to Suburb by Trains
    ruclips.net/video/NjYsrtMuoVc/видео.html

  • @bimengerges207
    @bimengerges207 2 года назад

    By air

  • @noproblem1528
    @noproblem1528 2 года назад +1

    Most famous Is "ITALO TRAIN " Now it s does not belong to US anymore, as Ducati and others marchs as Lamborghini ecc .ecc ecc.... italians they GIVE away very soon !

  • @tombombadil9123
    @tombombadil9123 2 года назад

    great vid. but a bit too long. you could loose some of the footage to cut it down to under 40 min?

  • @patrickmateka5068
    @patrickmateka5068 2 года назад

    No one know it in Italy ahahah

  • @ignoblesurfer6281
    @ignoblesurfer6281 2 года назад +1

    That pizza in Sicily looked like absolute garbage. Great video otherwise!

    • @vincenzodibernardo9903
      @vincenzodibernardo9903 2 года назад +2

      Pizza out of naples Is generally shit

    • @silvanodelazzari8522
      @silvanodelazzari8522 2 года назад +4

      @@vincenzodibernardo9903
      Not at all true.

    • @vincenzodibernardo9903
      @vincenzodibernardo9903 2 года назад +2

      @@silvanodelazzari8522 ho scritto generally. Ci sono ottime pizzerie ovunque anche a Tokyo ma la pizza è napoletana come il sushi giapponese e la paella Valenciana.

    • @1799JG
      @1799JG 2 года назад +2

      @@vincenzodibernardo9903 pizza e pinsa romana alto livello

    • @silvanodelazzari8522
      @silvanodelazzari8522 2 года назад +1

      @@vincenzodibernardo9903
      E il risotto allo zafferano è milanese.
      Ma non mi sognerei mai di dire che al di fuori di Milano il risotto allo zafferano faccia generalmente schifo.
      E fare un buon risotto non è davvero facile...