I like what the superfans want. They just want Aptera to just build it. For some reason they think it's done and the company can afford to build them. Yet they ignore CA when he tells all of us that they need more funding because they got to write those million dollar checks. It really demonstrates how they just keep hoping and trying to force the timeline, it will happen sooner all along with no money to do it.
@@aussieideasman8498 - The superfans are the best. I also like when they bring up Tesla. What better way to show how great Aptera is when you can put down Tesla. For example, there's that Roadster Tesla was going to build? See, Tesla is worse than Aptera because that thing is nowhere. Aptera has production ready. So Aptera will beat Tesla to production, thus Aptera is yet again superior.
The latest SEC filing reveals Aptera has been hit with a subpoena from the SEC to hand over documents related to the company’s securities offerings and production, design, and manufacture of our vehicle relevant to an ongoing investigation. They had previously been told to preserve these documents but apparently the SEC has moved to the next stage of their investigation.
I seen that too. This might be a prelude to Aptera moving forward to doing an IPO and they want to make sure that no funny business is going on before they make that step.
The USCG process seemed to get them to be a bit more “forthcoming” on the reality of their situation. And their reality is, fundamentally “No way in hell is this worth continuing”. They don’t have a future because of their weak, weak, effort to date.
@ - The interesting part is this, their last report just covered until June 30, 2024. From there we know they had $18M on hand. Obvious, the number is less today. USCG last report was Nov 20, 2024 and that was $700K. The stock offering, that was last reported on Dec 17, 2024 and that was $200K. Since then, no more reporting. As per SEC rules, they will have to do a year end by somewhere around the first week of May 2025. Thus what Aptera is doing is just waiting until the last minute to file. This is what Elio Motors did. Thus the May surprise, was always interesting. The best one was in May 2017 when we all learned, they got rid of everyone except for two people (one was Paul) at the end of 2016. They used the term furlough and that sounded better to the fans as they thought that Elio was just going to call them all back up when that big investor was to come in.
I just read one comment, so consider it unfounded. People do lie a lot on these forums. I am happy for others to confirm this, but since the uptake was so low, there may not be many people getting that email. How about Blake telling us what happened? They are supposed to be transparent.
@@aussieideasman8498 - They are transparent. Blake said that 6K units per year to break even. So, that's good enough. I like Blake, seems friendly. Friendly people are honest.
What I remember hearing about this is that the $700K investments notified Aptera that they will accept repayment as discounted stock. I don't know much about these investment legalities as to whether it can continue to change. I guess the idea was to add stability that Aptera doesn't have to come up with $784K cash in 9 months.
@@artsmith103 Aptera stated in one 2532 filing it was 80% of share cost - with the note paying 12% simple interest. So $700k with two years of interest will buy stock at 80% face value - which is why they upped the stock to $14.80 to blunt that convertible note discount rate - which you can damn well guarantee smart investors saw that move and walked away.
All people really need to know is this, beautiful carbon fiber and efficiency. That right there will sell and bring in the big investment. So, just tell everyone you know, those two things and watch the interest go through the roof. Did I mention, it's so efficient and light from the beautiful carbon fiber, it'll never need to be plugged in since it's powered by the sun? You should also see the efficient and lightweight carbon fiber that adorns the trunk area. It's really beautiful and efficient in person. Plus, having it only holding two people, that makes it light and efficient. Carrying around the extra ballast of 2-3 more people just kills efficiency. So, Aptera did it right with the beautiful carbon fiber and efficiency. Don't forget, beautiful carbon fiber and efficiency. If you have to, just repeat it 10X.
No ballast wasted on safety either! Seriously investors see two seats and three wheels are not going to have the reaction you think, they are going to keep walking as they have done so since 2019. The key issue is no amount of efficiency is worth it if you have to trade safety to obtain it and there is zero chance Aptera will be as safe as a regular vehicle. The industry standard for automotive is 40mph front impact, 50/50 offset impact, and side impact. I do not see any reason this vehicle would do well in those tests and they seemed to have declared they are not going to test to automotive standards.
@@fourteenfour1 - It's F1 safety and has a roll cage. So since Chris said it, then you can take it to the bank. Once they are out on the road, they will sell themselves. If it works for things like sneakers that Nike makes, then it'll work for Aptera. Plus a massive BMW SUV rammed into it and all that broke was a simple to replace fender. Just scan the QR code and it's fixed. If you look, it has a massive amount of storage and you can camp in it. My Aptera will come in at just over $61K but it'll be able to off road, drive itself, 1000 mile range, 3WD and other goodies. When I take it to Moab and off road it then camp off the grid for a week, the Jeep people will be wanting to ditch their inefficient vehicle and get an Aptera. That's a fact because everything Aptera is the best.
Regarding solar output values, thanks to aptera owners club interview with reed with actually have some quite specific values ( will the video get deleted?), heres what was said exactly: aoc: what do you do? ( regarding solar panels at aptera) reed: building them, designing them. We have a team of engineers working on the panels. I'm in charge.... aoc: what is the highest amount of solar you have seen generated off the whole solar package? reed: right now, with these specific panels, we've seen ALMOST 500-ish but thats in specific conditions So there we have it, ALMOST says its under 500watts. He mentions its an instantaneous value, which suggests it was tested with the flash bulb that delivers 1kw momentarily. c.anthony in january update i think said 395watts was seen at ces, best I could find was 360-ish from memory in the videos, but that was for a fraction of a second, most of the time when stationary it was at max 270 to 280w in best position at bagel shop. When driving much lower than that in full sun more like 240w or so, in shade usually it was 20 to 30watts.......the averages are what really counts if trying to be realistic. Some momentary figure that they tout as the max is not in my view particularly useful. Anyhow I think we can definitely say their best solar estimate of range is 30% over (500/700 is 30% exageration), yup they can say 700w till they are blue in the face ( which is pretty much the case), but using it as an estimate of solar range is just dishonest and fraudulent based on their own numbers. Reed does go on to estimate 500-550w will be ultimate max possible with new cells etc, but once again its a max and will rarely be seen. Most of the time you can expect what was seen on the test drives.......if your in vegas in winter. Since that info was logged that should know exactly what the solar output was when summed over time ( kwh). We could really only see watts at a specific instant, it needs to be all added up to get total output in kwh. If you were to graph the watts on one axis and put time on the other axis it would be the area under the graph you want.( is my understanding) ( geek warning: watts has a time component, its energy per unit time ( Joules/sec), it is saying what is the rate at which the solar being produced at any given point in time is, like velocity is km/hr or miles/hr eg we are travelling at 30 km/hr ( or miles/hr writing miles/hr as mph might be a bit confusing so not writing it that way) at any given point in time. kwhr or kwh is a bit different its the sum of all that instantaneous power ( watts) all added up over a length of time, to visualise graph watts produced on y-axis and time on x-axis. You will get some very wiggly line going up and down when aptera is driving along, in vegas that line will be going way up and way down quite quite rapidly), not staying horizontal hardly at all, to add up all that solar energy it lands up being the area under that line. Hence its a little bit hard to work out, the area under a very wiggly up/down line is pretty hard to work out. Not exactly sure how it would be worked out with, I would assume the data being logged is processed via some chip that does that for you, using some software in the chip..........thats my guess. In maths terms you have to integrate the line but the line is not predictable its wiggly wavy all over the place, easier to do with chip or software designed to do just that.. If the solar output was constant, when graphed you get a horizontal line, and the kwh is easy to work out, its just a rectangle is the area under the graph, so you just multiply watts by time ....watts x hours ( or kw x hrs) ). When parked in the shade lets say aptera at bagel shop was sitting there for 30 mins ( o.5 hr or 1/2 hr), and it produced 230watts constantly... it would probably vary a bit over time even with full sun and no clouds, as the sun moves). Then over that half an hour it would produce 0.23kw ( 230watts) X 0.5 hr ( 30 mins) which equals 0.115 kwhr or kwh. What do to with that number maybe another post later on. While I"m at it better do 30watts output for half an hour while sitting at bagel shop, since after about noon according to ninj its in the shade and we see from test drive videos, a constant 30watts in the shade at bagel shop......thanks ninj..... so 0.030 kw ( 30watts) X 0.5hr ( 30mins) gives 0.015 kwhr will prove useful to use these numbers later Sort of just thinking outloud here, really clarifies my own understanding.)
did another very lengthy post using data above that shows their claims are not possible even using their 10 miles/kwh and sitting in front of bagle shop in full sun using their own solar output data. Doesn't seem to have gone up, will wait some time before modifying it and just see if the post does go up. Time consuming to do the math
ok it didn't go up, summary of it. without showing all the math. Using 10miles/kwh and 1/2hr full sun bagle shop 230watts gives 2/3 of the 1.5mile loop is possible. ( note: 10 miles/kwh also probably not realistic) Using 30watts for 1/2hr in shade at bagel shop........not worth considering at all........only a fraction of a percent of the 1.5mile loop. Since bagel shop park in shade after midday you can say only what solar produced in morning would contribute. What they claimed is impossible. Its a little complex to account for everything, but not hard to show their claims are false. If they did one loop of the 1.5miles ces, and left the vehicle in the morning sun pre-noon shade at that location, that would be a believable scenario.
@@namenotshown9277 If the calculations show the claims are impossible, why would they make them, knowing they have to prove them at some later time? That to me tells me they are just getting the last bits of cash before shutting up shop. I have a feeling it will before any test results are made public. It indicates the crap is close to hitting the fan.
@@aussieideasman8498 I think you might be on the right track. NameNot, your solar analysis is trying to create data Aptera has hidden. You're not uncovering any secrets. Maxeon makes good cells. Aptera probably didn't damage them during install. The angles are uncertain but averaging them as horizontal is a reasonable good start. Some fanboy will open his hatch to improve the angle. Another one has down sloping north face driveway and will suffer. It's not worth quantifying. Watts are power. KWh are energy. Solar source approx as 1,000W/m^2. Aptera can't simulate that over the entire car so who knows what they're doing. Maybe Aptera hoped to impress less knowledgable fans that 700W was a hopeful peak. But they always quoted number of cells, w/cell, w/panel section, and 700W install. I'll keep telling, solar productivity has been Aptera's most honest straight forward topic. You can thank Maxeon for that. Annual Avg 3 kWh/day in Carlsbad with optimally parked car is probably the whole story. How it gets derated during normal use and road shade locations will be interesting but not really a "solar" issue. Their huge waiting problem is miles/kWh under normal use across various weather regions. If ambitious fans can achieve 90% of forecasted solar and only 80% of claimed miles/kWh, 30% combined loss will hurt. And most of USA is forecasted 30% less than Carlsbad. I don't think fanboys are ready for that at $40K.
@@aussieideasman8498 fambro did try to back pedal on it, in one interview at ces he was saying it was a one off and anecdotal...... it's so obvious how these guys operate, they are so used to making outragious claims they just can't help themselves, patterns of behaviour are hard to change, they aim at the gullible and seem to forget in the moment long term consequences. It may well come back to bite them. Off topic: You know what would be handy a button that reads our text then highlights the areas or parts that Google is using to reject it being posted that would save so much time
I am happy to announce that at least someone has lived up to the Elio Motors standard of superfans. Over on DTL, I seen this little gem: "First of all, almost every family with kids I know has more than one car. The Aptera can still be a great 2nd/commuter car. The majority of car trips taken in the US have just one person in the car. " Back in the Elio days, it was touted as an "and" car. This is because the man of the house, can use the Elio every day to go to work and save lots of money. The little lady can use the SUV to haul around the rugrats during the week. Then the whole family can use the SUV on the weekends. Also, what happened to Mrs. DTL? Is she sick or in the hospital? Haven't seen her in like a month. He keeps making videos from the car.
Chad, Hillbilly, Ninj, Raj and even motormouth Drew have a lot in common. People should have noticed what that is by now. Sarah has probably just gotten tired of it and gone back to playing with the cat, but can some of their friends ask them? After all - it's been called a family.
They did get cars, just little model ones or if you have a 3D printer, you can print one. I printed two of them. The largest is just under 300 mm long. That's all we need. Remember they never break down, cost nothing to insure and best of all, never need to be plugged in.
The Aptera crew is in good spirits because their Swiss Banc accounts are full😉😁😁😁 Hooe you are feeling better Aussie! $40,000 now, no way! They shouldn't have have used a supercar carbon fiber body. Thats where sandy munro screwed them while getting paid 😉
In addition to that, some of the pay was in stock. So, that's even better. When Aptera IPO's, he stands to make a pretty good profit within the first 24hrs of trading.
I see a small marker vehicle that may never get produced I wouldn’t be surprised if they made less than 100 of these things and sold them for $60k a piece
They could be like Arcimoto. Build about 1000 of them, sell about 800 and then go belly up and leave the current owners high and dry. Maybe like Solo and build some, buy back most of them and the rest of the people that have them are high and dry. Maybe like Canoo where they sold 19 and left those owners high and dry.
@@billsmith5960 they will never go into production, I think they have had their fun, they got away with it for a rediculous amount of time, and now it seems they need a way out of one hell of a mess. But they really want to clean up at IPO so they just hang in there, clinging onto that dream of mega millions in the bank, the high life......but alas its all a mirage.
We all agree with the cretin on that one, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. I wonder if when they said the cash for the 16 PI's was already paid for they had considered the $40k, or will they have to cut back to 12?
@@aussieideasman8498 - It will be 16 Pi's, 3 of them will be crash tested. They are doing 1M miles of testing too. Then validating everything according to the Aptera specification book. Chris is always spot on with the numbers and I'll just keep repeating them so we don't forget. Just like how reversing valves are in short supply because of Covid (who knew that one single item will still be in short supply).
@@billsmith5960 Ha ha! Yes I remember them saying they had to go with the inferior reductive heaters because it would be a two-year backlog to get heat pumps. I bet they didn't think three years would have passed and they were still peddling fake prototypes. Maybe that $40k price will surprise the customers with heat pumps? Just saying. That long short supply situation was really a lie. I recall saying lots of aircons and hot water systems were using heat pumps at the time they faked the shortage. I also said an EV maker should be able to make their own valves, lol. BTW, they said there would be between six and twelve Beta's built, and they would only be for testing. There was one and they registered it for joyrides - it's what it did 95% of the time.
My first video to report on is Aptera's January Update. It's Aunty selling the snake oil and leaving out the truthful things that people should hear, like the SEC demanding documents. I thought I heard about a month ago that they were stopping all YT videos and letting AOC take over that roll, but there have been a couple of theirs since. I put it down to how negative the cretin has been, lately. At least Aunty said 800 were at the after party - some fanboy had estimated 4,000 in a prior comment I saw.
It looked like 10K to me. Maybe 15K at most. There were about 50K constantly around the Aptera display. Way more than anyone else at CES. I heard Samsung was mad that everyone was at Aptera instead of their setup. As for the SEC, it's probably because since the election is over, that's when everyone was going to invest (I heard that from an Aptera expert). So, they sold out the convertible note and securities immediately. The SEC wants to see why the Aptera has so much demand. I know what it is, beautiful carbon fiber and efficiency.
The video was made before the subpoena showed up from the SEC. So, on February 29th they will give a progress report on that subpoena. I know they will as they are the most transparent company on the planet. Did I mention the beautiful carbon fiber and efficiency?
The Ninj has a short weekly update this morning mainly saying fans need not worry about the SEC subpoena on Aptera. He says Tesla; Lordstown and just about every company gets one. Well, I don't know much about these matters, but my expectation is that the SEC would simply request first and subpoena later. Was there ever a request, and has it had to be escalated? Also, I don't trust the Ninj when he says it's common practice. Like every second fanboy, he offers no evidence; his name-dropping is pure gossip at this stage. Also, if the likes of Tesla were subpoenaed years ago, then they have just been met with such common practice and have passed. Aptera are yet to pass. Being a deluded 'save the planet' nutter is no reason to be a trusting soul to extremes.
Ninj is very much a novice, and doesn't have an engineering mindset or experience, so his angle is largely anecdotal. Though since he responded to my solar output inferences from test drives, it did actually bring some more info too light, such as which days the test drives occured on. Interestingly the 'all about solar' test drive, from memory it was down to 65% state of battery charge on the 9th of jan at noon approx. It seems to be that over the few days of test drives, the soc went steadily down. I intend to go over it in more detail when I can. But "all about solar" seems to have been one of the last test drives and shows lowest soc. It seems to be they weren't recharging off the grid, just letting the battery and solar do their thing, and the result was of course, battery state of charge just kept going down, despite their public claims this was not the case. Seems pretty obvious their data shows one thing, and they simply say something completely different in order to hoodwink investors.......in my view its criminal behaviour.......a clear case of defrauding investors with false claims and very publicly too. Its funny but if I were to ask, say aoc a simple question like what day and time was your test drive on, this would be met with no answer ( from memory macgammon did give the date to ninj which ninj put in his video)....memory not always perfect on these things.
Just watched the cretin review the January Update. He lies through his back teeth most of the way through it, and his tone makes that pretty obvious. However, it's the bickering in the comments I found interesting. They can't discuss an issue without it turning into a personal slanging match. Also, they got nowhere on the validity of claiming the 40 mi from a rated 700w. Here is the infamous video that purports to prove the 40 miles: ruclips.net/video/IrCVWgxlgoc/видео.html ('How Aptera Gets 40 Miles of Solar Charge Per Day'). Notice how there are no calaculations for curved cells; vehicle directions; drains from cells to wheels, et al? - it couldn't get more simplistic. Even their values used have no verification, and amount to gossip; possibly lies. Farm-bro really knows the IQ of his audience - he did a better job of that calculation before he made the video, lol! Suckers, the lot of you.
I really cant be bothered watching much now, its just same thing over and over. The 40 miles is well and truly out the window now. Its all downhill from here, well the solar miles are going down down down. Theres no excuse for them to use 700w which gives 40 miles at given efficiency of 10miles/kwh. We now know 500watts is the max at the moment ( and thats probably in their lab test setup). We have a pretty good idea from ces test drives what the solar output will look like ( at least in winter in vegas on clear days), but alas we wont ever get the total solar outputs over the whole day from vegas, we just get lies, lies and more damn lies. I did get one date and time from a test drive videographer, it was the 9th of jan at about noon, he got the highest values on any test drive videos I've seen, the averages though were same as the other drives pretty much, maybe slightly higher ( have to guesstimate averages). I just find his video and post in a sec.
the yt chanel is called all about solar, I totally agree these investors are either suckers, or looking to make a quick buck. Either way its not going to end well in my view. Some of the basic calculatons from vegas test drives do show that sitting in the sun for 1/2hour and doing a short 5 minute? drive ( I should work out how long the test drives were), under the best conditions at vegas you could be some power back into the battery, but nowhere near enough to replemish the lost energy of the short drives. If I can get around to it, will delve a bit more into the data on screen in the videos. It is possible to show this is a true statement, but its not possible to show the actual percentage of energy that solar produced. Using battery state of charge there was significant loss of battery energy over a few days of test drives. Unfortunately there is not enough info to work out the totals, only some values shown on brief videos can be gained. Something interesting to think about: The size of the different parameters on the dash display, and the lack of some data say alot about what they wanted people to see. Largest unit was the speed in mph ( ok no probs we can show them the speed), next biggest in size visually was the solar output in watts......nice much appreciated they wanted to show the solar output..........of course it was way way lower then their predicted 700watts they keep talking about .... One of the smallest visually was the battery state of charge, in fact macgammon misreads it in one video its so small, but it seems to be the value they were using to determine their mythical more energy made than used statements. What data was missing? Odometer.....dont want people knowing that sort of thing do we. Others are: Cumulative kwh from solar, efficiency in miles/kwh ( or wh/mile) both average and instantaneous ( both were shown on earlier dash displays). Why did they not show those values? Those values would allow anyone to determine the actual efficiency and solar range of the vehicle. Things they dont want to divulge.
If I remember correctly highest soc was 81% and lowest was 65% ( there is only a small number of videos I've found so these numbers will most likely be even wider spread). It appears to be 3 days of data, 81-65=16% drop...the main thing to note is soc drops ( doesn't go up!). 42kwh battery pack drops 16% thats 6.72kwh drop over 3 days ( its going to be higher most likely). The main point is this contradicts the directors statements that: 1. solar was enough to replace energy used ( fambro ces livestream) 2. solar was more than energy used ( c.anthony ces livestream) Both statements have been made as if fact. Fambro did somewhat retract this saying it was anecdotal, I think he realised they had gone a bit far with the untruth on this one.
there are some yt videos popping up that say in the title something to do with aptera, but in the video are some futuristic cars but nothing to do with aptera, probably ai generated. That will put a bit of a problem for aptera fanboys doing videos, seems rubbish ai videos are now competing with rubbish pro aptera videos........go figure
I like those videos because they show what Aptera is working on right now as the current product is production ready. Thus it's in production. Deliveries probably have already started.
My first conversation preserved (from that silly 'A Message to Out of Spec... Why No Aptera Coverage?') @richardryley3660 5 days ago (edited) They should have multiple vehicles ready for test drives within the next couple of months. It may be somewhat longer before they let reviewers drive the vehicle. They would want to have more than one or two drivable spares, and have insurance on them. But eventually they are planning to let customers test drive the vehicles. We can just wait and see. If the criteria for "real" is that you can drive it, then that should happen this year. Reply 2 replies @aussieideasman8498 3 hours ago There's a criteria called 'fit for purpose' that goes beyond real, and Aptera has to meet it. Reply Highlighted reply @richardryley3660 1 hour ago (edited) @aussieideasman8498 I'm not sure what you mean. If it works as intended the Aptera is certainly fit for purpose. If you are trying to say that Aptera has not yet proven that they can meet the range estimates and solar panel generation they have stated, then the performance of Hermes at CES seems to be in keeping with those estimates. If anything, the solar performed better in shade and indirect light than expected. As I said, if testing confirms the numbers seen at CES, then we will see. Those numbers can be extrapolated to summer and the rest of the year, and the confirmed by this summer. Wait and see. Reply @aussieideasman8498 7 seconds ago @richardryley3660 "I'm not sure what you mean." You will soon. "If it works as intended the Aptera is certainly fit for purpose." Correct, but presently it doesn't even exist and you are hoping it will at a future date - a date that has been promised often and has passed every time. Prototypes don't count. The purpose of a prototype is very different from that of a product, and they have built fakes that do less than they claim. There hasn't even been a worthy prototype so far. Happy to argue the toss as deeply as you need to go to realize the facts and come down from la-la land. "If you are trying to say that Aptera has not yet proven that they can meet the range estimates and solar panel generation they have stated, then the performance of Hermes at CES seems to be in keeping with those estimates." "Seems" doesn't cut it. It has to be verified, and that done properly. Aptera is not allowed to verify its own claims. They know that, but ignore it and keep pretending to the gullible that they can. First they sold the con that in-house CFD was acceptable and even pretended you can count on it being under 5% inaccurate. Then they bended to public pressure and promised real tests, but have yet to do it, and will do it wrongly when they eventually get around to it. I remind you that Herpes was supposed to have that done and ready to reveal at CES. At CES Aunty told the cretin they had a test track booked late January. Well, it's February - heard anything? The state of Herpes at CES was incapable of giving any useful performance figures. It had no wheel pants; no NVH materials; no aircon unit; no window motors; no glass on about 70% of the solar; no interior trim and no ABS. In that state, it doesn't have the correct weight or the aerodynamics to get a real result. Only a genuine production vehicle can be used - wheel pants and everything else on, and those pants at the right ride height. This is what I mean. And what they did claim looked like more lies - wait for independent results after they get the test machine right. "If anything, the solar performed better in shade and indirect light than expected." No it didn't. In an earlier video Farm-bro got 10 watts with the sun below the horizon, so they were expecting better at CES, but saying they did worse than expected isn't going to suck in the mum's and dads so they fed you the snake oil. Calculations by many of us skeptics has shown that a properly fitted out PI is very likely to get over 40% less performance than they claimed, and that's a long way off 5%. Honestly - do you believe Aunty saying on the first day they did 25 miles and had 29 miles produced by solar alone? It never happened and they will never replicate it with independent testers testing. "As I said, if testing confirms the numbers seen at CES, then we will see." As I said, we will probably not see testing done properly, and you will be sold the snake oil again. Heaven knows, you have all swallowed it a hundred times already. "Those numbers can be extrapolated to summer and the rest of the year, and the confirmed by this summer." Which reminds me of the concerns about winter performance of the 3-wheel configuration. About three winters ago they told those who questioned them it would be done next winter, and that has yet to be done. They know how quickly fanboys forget. I don't forget, and recall it took them months to replace one wheel pant on Gamma. The four BINC's they got are about two years' old, and there should have been a dozen more delivered shortly after. Talk of making a million by 2033 are exaggerations not supported by the snail's pace they have always shown, yet at the same time Aunty bragged about knocking three months of a schedule to make CES. It's some of the strongest snake oil I have heard. Those undercooked fakes will probably still not be finished by the start of Q2. "Wait and see." It's what they always want from you. At the end of the wait they ask you to wait some more - ad infinitum, lol. This is what I mean, and it's going on my latest video.
Richard has continued without addressing the issue I raised. Here it is so far - @richardryley3660 49 minutes ago @aussieideasman8498 The production intent is not a prototype. We will indeed see very soon, within the next couple of months, what the statistics of the final product will be Of course there will still be people claiming that the numbers are falsified and the vehicles are not "real". You will probably still be claiming that when there are Aptera's driving around in the hands of customers. Reply @aussieideasman8498 30 minutes ago @richardryley3660 "The production intent is not a prototype." The PI IS a prototype. They originally mapped out 4 stages of prototypes and this is Delta - the last stage. They just keep swapping names so you fanboys lose track of everything. Production comes after Delta, and has no 'Intent' attached. Look up the dictionary for the meaning of intent. "We will indeed see very soon, within the next couple of months, what the statistics of the final product will be" I have covered the "wait and see" nonsense. I don't run on a mouse wheel. "Of course there will still be people claiming that the numbers are falsified and the vehicles are not "real"." They are the one's who are correct. Take notice of them. "You will probably still be claiming that when there are Aptera's driving around in the hands of customers." I will wait another six months or so and if owners are mostly satisfied I will apologize. In fact, if they are as good as they make out, I will buy one. Reply Highlighted reply @richardryley3660 17 minutes ago @aussieideasman8498 I don't expect you to ever admit you are wrong or apologize to anyone. If you do, I will apologize to you. But I very much doubt I will have to. Every vehicle ever developed has gone through the phase Aptera is going through right now. A production intent vehicle has to be built, tested, and certified by the government. Until that happens it cannot be sold in the United States. Now that those vehicles exist, there is no more development that needs to be done. Reply @aussieideasman8498 21 seconds ago @richardryley3660 "I don't expect you to ever admit you are wrong or apologize to anyone." Have a think - if someone is unlikely to admit wrong and apologize they are most likely not going to make the suggestion they will. Your unintelligence is astounding. You don't use it, and instead just like to make false accusations devoid of substance. "If you do, I will apologize to you. But I very much doubt I will have to." Such tit-for-tat is unnecessary, because this is not about us - it's about an EV. So far, the history of this EV is more of a joke than a success, and if it finally succeeds it can't remove the ongoing joke that preceded it. It will have managed it by the skin of its teeth. "Every vehicle ever developed has gone through the phase Aptera is going through right now." Not so. You lie. Many have, but not every. In many decades ago the startups had a high success rate, but in modern times it's quite the opposite. This may be a factor of modern greed and the advent of Ponzi schemes, but is probably more complex than that. "A production intent vehicle has to be built, tested, and certified by the government." Yes, government intervention is stronger these days; it's a factor. However, governments are not interested in PI's. They wait until there's a product to scrutinize. Products are not allowed to be sold until they pass, but it MUST be a product first - 100% "Until that happens it cannot be sold in the United States." Until a product is tested, not a PI. "Now that those vehicles exist, there is no more development that needs to be done." No product exists - we are still at fake PI's. Get real.
wholy moly thats indepth, I coudn't resist I had to watch the predictable rubbish jan update of c.anthony, coudnt stand to hear his voice so just read the captions, yup same old rubbish concentrating on irrelevant fluff and not an honest appraisal of anything in particular. Interesting the test drive videos from ces they must have recorded the reporters in the passenger seat, whats interesting is all the videos I've seen on yt were none of those reporters, did most of them just not do a video report on it? Just put it in the archives for some later data? Imagine if he did a completely honest monthly update........... well folks we are ****ed our efficiency is stupid low, our solar is not going to run the lights that you have to leave on and the blower fan at same time, our average solar at vegas was just rediculously low and pretty much a waste of time, but damn the car looks good. we dont have a patent on the design and are getting sued, we dont have money to continue much longer, the sec is knocking on the door. On the bright side we haven't been picked up by a cluey reporter as the next theranos story.......so all is just rosey folks.........moving to south america soon ( just for entertainment of course)
maybe they should just concentrate on the aptera logo, as fambro suggested when ninjineer asked him if he anything to add when he ran dry of questions in the interview. Maybe not a bad idea. Just concentrate on building and selling the logo........oh maybe thats what they are doing already?
@@aussieideasman8498 yup seems they will literally believe anything....quite bizarre, seems no questioning or interrogating claims at all, when an obvious red flag pops up it's completely ignored, like the 500w solar max from Reed. It will never be mentioned since it would mean an immediate range cut....it diverges from what they have been told to believe its really most odd
I like what the superfans want. They just want Aptera to just build it. For some reason they think it's done and the company can afford to build them. Yet they ignore CA when he tells all of us that they need more funding because they got to write those million dollar checks. It really demonstrates how they just keep hoping and trying to force the timeline, it will happen sooner all along with no money to do it.
When did they become superfans? Reaching a level of super 5tup1d1ty is no reason to be called that. Okay - super patient might.
@@aussieideasman8498 - The superfans are the best. I also like when they bring up Tesla. What better way to show how great Aptera is when you can put down Tesla. For example, there's that Roadster Tesla was going to build? See, Tesla is worse than Aptera because that thing is nowhere. Aptera has production ready. So Aptera will beat Tesla to production, thus Aptera is yet again superior.
The latest SEC filing reveals Aptera has been hit with a subpoena from the SEC to hand over documents related to the company’s securities offerings and production, design, and manufacture of our vehicle relevant to an ongoing investigation. They had previously been told to preserve these documents but apparently the SEC has moved to the next stage of their investigation.
Fun fact: The SEC is responsible for investigating Ponzi schemes.
I seen that too. This might be a prelude to Aptera moving forward to doing an IPO and they want to make sure that no funny business is going on before they make that step.
The USCG process seemed to get them to be a bit more “forthcoming” on the reality of their situation.
And their reality is, fundamentally “No way in hell is this worth continuing”.
They don’t have a future because of their weak, weak, effort to date.
@ - The interesting part is this, their last report just covered until June 30, 2024. From there we know they had $18M on hand. Obvious, the number is less today. USCG last report was Nov 20, 2024 and that was $700K. The stock offering, that was last reported on Dec 17, 2024 and that was $200K. Since then, no more reporting.
As per SEC rules, they will have to do a year end by somewhere around the first week of May 2025. Thus what Aptera is doing is just waiting until the last minute to file. This is what Elio Motors did. Thus the May surprise, was always interesting. The best one was in May 2017 when we all learned, they got rid of everyone except for two people (one was Paul) at the end of 2016. They used the term furlough and that sounded better to the fans as they thought that Elio was just going to call them all back up when that big investor was to come in.
Very interesting. Progress?
Is there a copy of any of these emails from Blake that state the convertible note investment has been changed to standard investment?
I just read one comment, so consider it unfounded. People do lie a lot on these forums. I am happy for others to confirm this, but since the uptake was so low, there may not be many people getting that email. How about Blake telling us what happened? They are supposed to be transparent.
@@aussieideasman8498 - They are transparent. Blake said that 6K units per year to break even. So, that's good enough. I like Blake, seems friendly. Friendly people are honest.
What I remember hearing about this is that the $700K investments notified Aptera that they will accept repayment as discounted stock. I don't know much about these investment legalities as to whether it can continue to change. I guess the idea was to add stability that Aptera doesn't have to come up with $784K cash in 9 months.
@@artsmith103 Aptera stated in one 2532 filing it was 80% of share cost - with the note paying 12% simple interest. So $700k with two years of interest will buy stock at 80% face value - which is why they upped the stock to $14.80 to blunt that convertible note discount rate - which you can damn well guarantee smart investors saw that move and walked away.
@@artsmith103 This stuff is over my head, but if Aptera takes over the money in shares, who pays USCG their cut?
All people really need to know is this, beautiful carbon fiber and efficiency. That right there will sell and bring in the big investment. So, just tell everyone you know, those two things and watch the interest go through the roof.
Did I mention, it's so efficient and light from the beautiful carbon fiber, it'll never need to be plugged in since it's powered by the sun? You should also see the efficient and lightweight carbon fiber that adorns the trunk area. It's really beautiful and efficient in person. Plus, having it only holding two people, that makes it light and efficient. Carrying around the extra ballast of 2-3 more people just kills efficiency. So, Aptera did it right with the beautiful carbon fiber and efficiency.
Don't forget, beautiful carbon fiber and efficiency. If you have to, just repeat it 10X.
No ballast wasted on safety either! Seriously investors see two seats and three wheels are not going to have the reaction you think, they are going to keep walking as they have done so since 2019. The key issue is no amount of efficiency is worth it if you have to trade safety to obtain it and there is zero chance Aptera will be as safe as a regular vehicle. The industry standard for automotive is 40mph front impact, 50/50 offset impact, and side impact. I do not see any reason this vehicle would do well in those tests and they seemed to have declared they are not going to test to automotive standards.
@@fourteenfour1 - It's F1 safety and has a roll cage. So since Chris said it, then you can take it to the bank. Once they are out on the road, they will sell themselves. If it works for things like sneakers that Nike makes, then it'll work for Aptera. Plus a massive BMW SUV rammed into it and all that broke was a simple to replace fender. Just scan the QR code and it's fixed.
If you look, it has a massive amount of storage and you can camp in it. My Aptera will come in at just over $61K but it'll be able to off road, drive itself, 1000 mile range, 3WD and other goodies. When I take it to Moab and off road it then camp off the grid for a week, the Jeep people will be wanting to ditch their inefficient vehicle and get an Aptera. That's a fact because everything Aptera is the best.
Throw in a few 'amazings' to maintain the delusion, lol.
@@fourteenfour1 They most likely won't test honestly, either, going by the past.
@@billsmith5960 Sounds like you're going to leave a few 911 Dakars in the dust.
Regarding solar output values, thanks to aptera owners club interview with reed with actually have some quite specific values ( will the video get deleted?), heres what was said exactly:
aoc: what do you do? ( regarding solar panels at aptera)
reed: building them, designing them. We have a team of engineers working on the panels. I'm in charge....
aoc: what is the highest amount of solar you have seen generated off the whole solar package?
reed: right now, with these specific panels, we've seen ALMOST 500-ish but thats in specific conditions
So there we have it, ALMOST says its under 500watts. He mentions its an instantaneous value, which suggests it was tested with the flash bulb that delivers 1kw momentarily.
c.anthony in january update i think said 395watts was seen at ces, best I could find was 360-ish from memory in the videos, but that was for a fraction of a second, most of the time when stationary it was at max 270 to 280w in best position at bagel shop.
When driving much lower than that in full sun more like 240w or so, in shade usually it was 20 to 30watts.......the averages are what really counts if trying to be realistic.
Some momentary figure that they tout as the max is not in my view particularly useful.
Anyhow I think we can definitely say their best solar estimate of range is 30% over
(500/700 is 30% exageration), yup they can say 700w till they are blue in the face ( which is pretty much the case), but using it as an estimate of solar range is just dishonest and fraudulent based on their own numbers.
Reed does go on to estimate 500-550w will be ultimate max possible with new cells etc,
but once again its a max and will rarely be seen. Most of the time you can expect what was seen on the test drives.......if your in vegas in winter. Since that info was logged that should know exactly what the solar output was when summed over time ( kwh).
We could really only see watts at a specific instant, it needs to be all added up to get total output in kwh. If you were to graph the watts on one axis and put time on the other axis it would be the area under the graph you want.( is my understanding)
( geek warning: watts has a time component, its energy per unit time ( Joules/sec), it is saying what is the rate at which the solar being produced at any given point in time is, like velocity is km/hr or miles/hr eg we are travelling at 30 km/hr ( or miles/hr writing miles/hr as mph might be a bit confusing so not writing it that way) at any given point in time.
kwhr or kwh is a bit different its the sum of all that instantaneous power ( watts) all added up over a length of time, to visualise graph watts produced on y-axis and time on x-axis.
You will get some very wiggly line going up and down when aptera is driving along, in vegas that line will be going way up and way down quite quite rapidly), not staying horizontal hardly at all, to add up all that solar energy it lands up being the area under that line.
Hence its a little bit hard to work out, the area under a very wiggly up/down line is pretty hard to work out. Not exactly sure how it would be worked out with, I would assume the data being logged is processed via some chip that does that for you, using some software in the chip..........thats my guess. In maths terms you have to integrate the line but the line is not predictable its wiggly wavy all over the place, easier to do with chip or software designed to do just that..
If the solar output was constant, when graphed you get a horizontal line, and the kwh is easy to work out, its just a rectangle is the area under the graph, so you just multiply watts by time ....watts x hours ( or kw x hrs) ). When parked in the shade lets say aptera at bagel shop was sitting there for 30 mins ( o.5 hr or 1/2 hr), and it produced 230watts constantly...
it would probably vary a bit over time even with full sun and no clouds, as the sun moves).
Then over that half an hour it would produce 0.23kw ( 230watts) X 0.5 hr ( 30 mins) which equals 0.115 kwhr or kwh. What do to with that number maybe another post later on.
While I"m at it better do 30watts output for half an hour while sitting at bagel shop, since after about noon according to ninj its in the shade and we see from test drive videos, a constant 30watts in the shade at bagel shop......thanks ninj.....
so 0.030 kw ( 30watts) X 0.5hr ( 30mins) gives 0.015 kwhr
will prove useful to use these numbers later
Sort of just thinking outloud here, really clarifies my own understanding.)
did another very lengthy post using data above that shows their claims are not possible even using their 10 miles/kwh and sitting in front of bagle shop in full sun using their own solar output data. Doesn't seem to have gone up, will wait some time before modifying it and just see if the post does go up. Time consuming to do the math
ok it didn't go up, summary of it. without showing all the math.
Using 10miles/kwh and 1/2hr full sun bagle shop 230watts gives 2/3 of the 1.5mile loop is possible. ( note: 10 miles/kwh also probably not realistic)
Using 30watts for 1/2hr in shade at bagel shop........not worth considering at all........only a fraction of a percent of the 1.5mile loop.
Since bagel shop park in shade after midday you can say only what solar produced in morning would contribute.
What they claimed is impossible. Its a little complex to account for everything, but not hard to show their claims are false.
If they did one loop of the 1.5miles ces, and left the vehicle in the morning sun pre-noon shade at that location, that would be a believable scenario.
@@namenotshown9277 If the calculations show the claims are impossible, why would they make them, knowing they have to prove them at some later time? That to me tells me they are just getting the last bits of cash before shutting up shop. I have a feeling it will before any test results are made public. It indicates the crap is close to hitting the fan.
@@aussieideasman8498 I think you might be on the right track. NameNot, your solar analysis is trying to create data Aptera has hidden. You're not uncovering any secrets. Maxeon makes good cells. Aptera probably didn't damage them during install. The angles are uncertain but averaging them as horizontal is a reasonable good start. Some fanboy will open his hatch to improve the angle. Another one has down sloping north face driveway and will suffer. It's not worth quantifying. Watts are power. KWh are energy. Solar source approx as 1,000W/m^2. Aptera can't simulate that over the entire car so who knows what they're doing. Maybe Aptera hoped to impress less knowledgable fans that 700W was a hopeful peak. But they always quoted number of cells, w/cell, w/panel section, and 700W install. I'll keep telling, solar productivity has been Aptera's most honest straight forward topic. You can thank Maxeon for that. Annual Avg 3 kWh/day in Carlsbad with optimally parked car is probably the whole story. How it gets derated during normal use and road shade locations will be interesting but not really a "solar" issue.
Their huge waiting problem is miles/kWh under normal use across various weather regions. If ambitious fans can achieve 90% of forecasted solar and only 80% of claimed miles/kWh, 30% combined loss will hurt. And most of USA is forecasted 30% less than Carlsbad. I don't think fanboys are ready for that at $40K.
@@aussieideasman8498 fambro did try to back pedal on it, in one interview at ces he was saying it was a one off and anecdotal...... it's so obvious how these guys operate, they are so used to making outragious claims they just can't help themselves, patterns of behaviour are hard to change, they aim at the gullible and seem to forget in the moment long term consequences. It may well come back to bite them.
Off topic:
You know what would be handy a button that reads our text then highlights the areas or parts that Google is using to reject it being posted that would save so much time
I am happy to announce that at least someone has lived up to the Elio Motors standard of superfans. Over on DTL, I seen this little gem:
"First of all, almost every family with kids I know has more than one car. The Aptera can still be a great 2nd/commuter car. The majority of car trips taken in the US have just one person in the car. "
Back in the Elio days, it was touted as an "and" car. This is because the man of the house, can use the Elio every day to go to work and save lots of money. The little lady can use the SUV to haul around the rugrats during the week. Then the whole family can use the SUV on the weekends.
Also, what happened to Mrs. DTL? Is she sick or in the hospital? Haven't seen her in like a month. He keeps making videos from the car.
Chad, Hillbilly, Ninj, Raj and even motormouth Drew have a lot in common. People should have noticed what that is by now. Sarah has probably just gotten tired of it and gone back to playing with the cat, but can some of their friends ask them? After all - it's been called a family.
@@aussieideasman8498 - They are a big family and in the latest video he even pointed out some of that family at CES. I would ask buy I'm banned.
@@billsmith5960 I know why I'm blocked - I'm not positive enough. I'm positive that's the reason, lol.
@@aussieideasman8498 - I am positive that you are positive that you were not positive enough.
@@billsmith5960 Don't they realize that every positively charged EV has to negatively discharge for it to work?
The only place Craptera is taken seriously is in those RUclips videos they produce. Outside of that it's a joke.
Did you see the 20K people at area 15 in Vegas for the Aptera after party? It's taken very seriously.
I love it when people use my nicknames. Fight against PC!
@@billsmith5960 Now you're seriously crosseyed.
@ - Keep it up and I'll raise it to 25K.......
@@billsmith5960 SuperBowl attendance looks small in comparison.
The 'accelerators' aren't lab rats , they would actually have to get cars for that. They are just victims of this scam 😂
My mistake, lol.
They did get cars, just little model ones or if you have a 3D printer, you can print one. I printed two of them. The largest is just under 300 mm long. That's all we need. Remember they never break down, cost nothing to insure and best of all, never need to be plugged in.
The Aptera crew is in good spirits because their Swiss Banc accounts are full😉😁😁😁 Hooe you are feeling better Aussie! $40,000 now, no way! They shouldn't have have used a supercar carbon fiber body. Thats where sandy munro screwed them while getting paid 😉
In addition to that, some of the pay was in stock. So, that's even better. When Aptera IPO's, he stands to make a pretty good profit within the first 24hrs of trading.
Swiss? Probably the Cayman Islands, lol. Itchy throat keeps waking me, but otherwise doing well. It's also very hot at night here in Brisbane.
@@aussieideasman8498 - I hope they convert it to Apteracoin. The most efficient crypto ever. Plus the coins are made of beautiful carbon fiber.
@@billsmith5960 Bill damn it, dont give them ideas........they will actually do it.............people are stupid enough to buy into it.
I see a small marker vehicle that may never get produced I wouldn’t be surprised if they made less than 100 of these things and sold them for $60k a piece
They could be like Arcimoto. Build about 1000 of them, sell about 800 and then go belly up and leave the current owners high and dry. Maybe like Solo and build some, buy back most of them and the rest of the people that have them are high and dry. Maybe like Canoo where they sold 19 and left those owners high and dry.
@@billsmith5960 The people in North Queensland would love to be high and dry right now.
@@aussieideasman8498 - That's why they need an Aptera.
@@billsmith5960 they will never go into production, I think they have had their fun, they got away with it for a rediculous amount of time, and now it seems they need a way out of one hell of a mess. But they really want to clean up at IPO so they just hang in there, clinging onto that dream of mega millions in the bank, the high life......but alas its all a mirage.
Honestly, at 40k this vehicle is not going to sell in anywhere near the numbers necessary to fund scaling.
Blake said tat 6K units was the number to go to profitability. If he says that, then it's true. I know because he's a nice guy.
@@billsmith5960 And his leg shakes.
We all agree with the cretin on that one, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. I wonder if when they said the cash for the 16 PI's was already paid for they had considered the $40k, or will they have to cut back to 12?
@@aussieideasman8498 - It will be 16 Pi's, 3 of them will be crash tested. They are doing 1M miles of testing too. Then validating everything according to the Aptera specification book. Chris is always spot on with the numbers and I'll just keep repeating them so we don't forget. Just like how reversing valves are in short supply because of Covid (who knew that one single item will still be in short supply).
@@billsmith5960 Ha ha! Yes I remember them saying they had to go with the inferior reductive heaters because it would be a two-year backlog to get heat pumps. I bet they didn't think three years would have passed and they were still peddling fake prototypes. Maybe that $40k price will surprise the customers with heat pumps? Just saying. That long short supply situation was really a lie. I recall saying lots of aircons and hot water systems were using heat pumps at the time they faked the shortage. I also said an EV maker should be able to make their own valves, lol.
BTW, they said there would be between six and twelve Beta's built, and they would only be for testing. There was one and they registered it for joyrides - it's what it did 95% of the time.
My first video to report on is Aptera's January Update. It's Aunty selling the snake oil and leaving out the truthful things that people should hear, like the SEC demanding documents. I thought I heard about a month ago that they were stopping all YT videos and letting AOC take over that roll, but there have been a couple of theirs since. I put it down to how negative the cretin has been, lately. At least Aunty said 800 were at the after party - some fanboy had estimated 4,000 in a prior comment I saw.
It looked like 10K to me. Maybe 15K at most. There were about 50K constantly around the Aptera display. Way more than anyone else at CES. I heard Samsung was mad that everyone was at Aptera instead of their setup.
As for the SEC, it's probably because since the election is over, that's when everyone was going to invest (I heard that from an Aptera expert). So, they sold out the convertible note and securities immediately. The SEC wants to see why the Aptera has so much demand. I know what it is, beautiful carbon fiber and efficiency.
@@billsmith5960 Okay, now I know your pranking. Good show. Got me
@@fourteenfour1 - I'm a better superfan than the actual ones.
@@billsmith5960 But one who needs to visit Specsavers - a 15k crowd? Aptera must look like a bus to you, lol.
The video was made before the subpoena showed up from the SEC. So, on February 29th they will give a progress report on that subpoena. I know they will as they are the most transparent company on the planet.
Did I mention the beautiful carbon fiber and efficiency?
The Ninj has a short weekly update this morning mainly saying fans need not worry about the SEC subpoena on Aptera. He says Tesla; Lordstown and just about every company gets one. Well, I don't know much about these matters, but my expectation is that the SEC would simply request first and subpoena later. Was there ever a request, and has it had to be escalated? Also, I don't trust the Ninj when he says it's common practice. Like every second fanboy, he offers no evidence; his name-dropping is pure gossip at this stage. Also, if the likes of Tesla were subpoenaed years ago, then they have just been met with such common practice and have passed. Aptera are yet to pass. Being a deluded 'save the planet' nutter is no reason to be a trusting soul to extremes.
Ninj is very much a novice, and doesn't have an engineering mindset or experience, so his angle is largely anecdotal. Though since he responded to my solar output inferences from test drives, it did actually bring some more info too light, such as which days the test drives occured on.
Interestingly the 'all about solar' test drive, from memory it was down to 65% state of battery charge on the 9th of jan at noon approx. It seems to be that over the few days of test drives, the soc went steadily down. I intend to go over it in more detail when I can. But "all about solar" seems to have been one of the last test drives and shows lowest soc. It seems to be they weren't recharging off the grid, just letting the battery and solar do their thing, and the result was of course,
battery state of charge just kept going down, despite their public claims this was not the case. Seems pretty obvious their data shows one thing, and they simply say something completely different in order to hoodwink investors.......in my view its criminal behaviour.......a clear case of defrauding investors with false claims and very publicly too.
Its funny but if I were to ask, say aoc a simple question like what day and time was your test drive on, this would be met with no answer ( from memory macgammon did give the date to ninj which ninj put in his video)....memory not always perfect on these things.
Just watched the cretin review the January Update. He lies through his back teeth most of the way through it, and his tone makes that pretty obvious. However, it's the bickering in the comments I found interesting. They can't discuss an issue without it turning into a personal slanging match. Also, they got nowhere on the validity of claiming the 40 mi from a rated 700w. Here is the infamous video that purports to prove the 40 miles: ruclips.net/video/IrCVWgxlgoc/видео.html ('How Aptera Gets 40 Miles of Solar Charge Per Day'). Notice how there are no calaculations for curved cells; vehicle directions; drains from cells to wheels, et al? - it couldn't get more simplistic. Even their values used have no verification, and amount to gossip; possibly lies. Farm-bro really knows the IQ of his audience - he did a better job of that calculation before he made the video, lol! Suckers, the lot of you.
I really cant be bothered watching much now, its just same thing over and over.
The 40 miles is well and truly out the window now. Its all downhill from here,
well the solar miles are going down down down. Theres no excuse for them to use 700w which gives 40 miles at given efficiency of 10miles/kwh.
We now know 500watts is the max at the moment ( and thats probably in their lab test setup). We have a pretty good idea from ces test drives what the solar output will look like ( at least in winter in vegas on clear days), but alas we wont ever get the total solar outputs over the whole day from vegas, we just get lies, lies and more damn lies.
I did get one date and time from a test drive videographer, it was the 9th of jan at about noon, he got the highest values on any test drive videos I've seen, the averages though were same as the other drives pretty much, maybe slightly higher ( have to guesstimate averages). I just find his video and post in a sec.
the yt chanel is called all about solar, I totally agree these investors are either suckers, or looking to make a quick buck. Either way its not going to end well in my view.
Some of the basic calculatons from vegas test drives do show that sitting in the sun for 1/2hour and doing a short 5 minute? drive ( I should work out how long the test drives were), under the best conditions at vegas you could be some power back into the battery, but nowhere near enough to replemish the lost energy of the short drives.
If I can get around to it, will delve a bit more into the data on screen in the videos.
It is possible to show this is a true statement, but its not possible to show the actual percentage of energy that solar produced. Using battery state of charge there was significant loss of battery energy over a few days of test drives. Unfortunately there is not enough info to work out the totals, only some values shown on brief videos can be gained.
Something interesting to think about:
The size of the different parameters on the dash display, and the lack of some data say alot about what they wanted people to see.
Largest unit was the speed in mph ( ok no probs we can show them the speed),
next biggest in size visually was the solar output in watts......nice much appreciated they wanted to show the solar output..........of course it was way way lower then their predicted 700watts they keep talking about ....
One of the smallest visually was the battery state of charge, in fact macgammon misreads it in one video its so small, but it seems to be the value they were using to determine their mythical more energy made than used statements.
What data was missing? Odometer.....dont want people knowing that sort of thing do we. Others are:
Cumulative kwh from solar, efficiency in miles/kwh ( or wh/mile) both average and instantaneous ( both were shown on earlier dash displays).
Why did they not show those values? Those values would allow anyone to determine the actual efficiency and solar range of the vehicle. Things they dont want to divulge.
If I remember correctly highest soc was 81% and lowest was 65% ( there is only a small number of videos I've found so these numbers will most likely be even wider spread).
It appears to be 3 days of data, 81-65=16% drop...the main thing to note is soc drops ( doesn't go up!).
42kwh battery pack drops 16% thats 6.72kwh drop over 3 days ( its going to be higher most likely). The main point is this contradicts the directors statements that:
1. solar was enough to replace energy used ( fambro ces livestream)
2. solar was more than energy used ( c.anthony ces livestream)
Both statements have been made as if fact.
Fambro did somewhat retract this saying it was anecdotal, I think he realised they had gone a bit far with the untruth on this one.
there are some yt videos popping up that say in the title something to do with aptera,
but in the video are some futuristic cars but nothing to do with aptera, probably ai generated. That will put a bit of a problem for aptera fanboys doing videos, seems rubbish ai videos are now competing with rubbish pro aptera videos........go figure
I like those videos because they show what Aptera is working on right now as the current product is production ready. Thus it's in production. Deliveries probably have already started.
It makes me think AI is dumber than the average person by a long margin.
@ - I bet Aptera loves it when they see 5-6 come out every day that have pics of other vehicles.
@@billsmith5960 exactly, I bet they hate misinformation being done to them rather than by them
@@billsmith5960 Ironic that they won't put the name on theirs and so many have put it on other cars.
My first conversation preserved (from that silly 'A Message to Out of Spec... Why No Aptera Coverage?')
@richardryley3660 5 days ago (edited)
They should have multiple vehicles ready for test drives within the next couple of months. It may be somewhat longer before they let reviewers drive the vehicle. They would want to have more than one or two drivable spares, and have insurance on them. But eventually they are planning to let customers test drive the vehicles.
We can just wait and see. If the criteria for "real" is that you can drive it, then that should happen this year.
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@aussieideasman8498 3 hours ago
There's a criteria called 'fit for purpose' that goes beyond real, and Aptera has to meet it.
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@richardryley3660 1 hour ago (edited)
@aussieideasman8498 I'm not sure what you mean. If it works as intended the Aptera is certainly fit for purpose.
If you are trying to say that Aptera has not yet proven that they can meet the range estimates and solar panel generation they have stated, then the performance of Hermes at CES seems to be in keeping with those estimates. If anything, the solar performed better in shade and indirect light than expected.
As I said, if testing confirms the numbers seen at CES, then we will see. Those numbers can be extrapolated to summer and the rest of the year, and the confirmed by this summer. Wait and see.
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@aussieideasman8498 7 seconds ago
@richardryley3660 "I'm not sure what you mean." You will soon.
"If it works as intended the Aptera is certainly fit for purpose." Correct, but presently it doesn't even exist and you are hoping it will at a future date - a date that has been promised often and has passed every time. Prototypes don't count. The purpose of a prototype is very different from that of a product, and they have built fakes that do less than they claim. There hasn't even been a worthy prototype so far. Happy to argue the toss as deeply as you need to go to realize the facts and come down from la-la land.
"If you are trying to say that Aptera has not yet proven that they can meet the range estimates and solar panel generation they have stated, then the performance of Hermes at CES seems to be in keeping with those estimates." "Seems" doesn't cut it. It has to be verified, and that done properly. Aptera is not allowed to verify its own claims. They know that, but ignore it and keep pretending to the gullible that they can. First they sold the con that in-house CFD was acceptable and even pretended you can count on it being under 5% inaccurate. Then they bended to public pressure and promised real tests, but have yet to do it, and will do it wrongly when they eventually get around to it. I remind you that Herpes was supposed to have that done and ready to reveal at CES. At CES Aunty told the cretin they had a test track booked late January. Well, it's February - heard anything? The state of Herpes at CES was incapable of giving any useful performance figures. It had no wheel pants; no NVH materials; no aircon unit; no window motors; no glass on about 70% of the solar; no interior trim and no ABS. In that state, it doesn't have the correct weight or the aerodynamics to get a real result. Only a genuine production vehicle can be used - wheel pants and everything else on, and those pants at the right ride height. This is what I mean. And what they did claim looked like more lies - wait for independent results after they get the test machine right.
"If anything, the solar performed better in shade and indirect light than expected." No it didn't. In an earlier video Farm-bro got 10 watts with the sun below the horizon, so they were expecting better at CES, but saying they did worse than expected isn't going to suck in the mum's and dads so they fed you the snake oil. Calculations by many of us skeptics has shown that a properly fitted out PI is very likely to get over 40% less performance than they claimed, and that's a long way off 5%. Honestly - do you believe Aunty saying on the first day they did 25 miles and had 29 miles produced by solar alone? It never happened and they will never replicate it with independent testers testing.
"As I said, if testing confirms the numbers seen at CES, then we will see." As I said, we will probably not see testing done properly, and you will be sold the snake oil again. Heaven knows, you have all swallowed it a hundred times already.
"Those numbers can be extrapolated to summer and the rest of the year, and the confirmed by this summer." Which reminds me of the concerns about winter performance of the 3-wheel configuration. About three winters ago they told those who questioned them it would be done next winter, and that has yet to be done. They know how quickly fanboys forget. I don't forget, and recall it took them months to replace one wheel pant on Gamma. The four BINC's they got are about two years' old, and there should have been a dozen more delivered shortly after. Talk of making a million by 2033 are exaggerations not supported by the snail's pace they have always shown, yet at the same time Aunty bragged about knocking three months of a schedule to make CES. It's some of the strongest snake oil I have heard. Those undercooked fakes will probably still not be finished by the start of Q2.
"Wait and see." It's what they always want from you. At the end of the wait they ask you to wait some more - ad infinitum, lol. This is what I mean, and it's going on my latest video.
Richard has continued without addressing the issue I raised. Here it is so far -
@richardryley3660 49 minutes ago
@aussieideasman8498 The production intent is not a prototype. We will indeed see very soon, within the next couple of months, what the statistics of the final product will be
Of course there will still be people claiming that the numbers are falsified and the vehicles are not "real". You will probably still be claiming that when there are Aptera's driving around in the hands of customers.
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@aussieideasman8498 30 minutes ago
@richardryley3660 "The production intent is not a prototype." The PI IS a prototype. They originally mapped out 4 stages of prototypes and this is Delta - the last stage. They just keep swapping names so you fanboys lose track of everything. Production comes after Delta, and has no 'Intent' attached. Look up the dictionary for the meaning of intent.
"We will indeed see very soon, within the next couple of months, what the statistics of the final product will be" I have covered the "wait and see" nonsense. I don't run on a mouse wheel.
"Of course there will still be people claiming that the numbers are falsified and the vehicles are not "real"." They are the one's who are correct. Take notice of them.
"You will probably still be claiming that when there are Aptera's driving around in the hands of customers." I will wait another six months or so and if owners are mostly satisfied I will apologize. In fact, if they are as good as they make out, I will buy one.
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@richardryley3660 17 minutes ago
@aussieideasman8498 I don't expect you to ever admit you are wrong or apologize to anyone. If you do, I will apologize to you. But I very much doubt I will have to.
Every vehicle ever developed has gone through the phase Aptera is going through right now. A production intent vehicle has to be built, tested, and certified by the government. Until that happens it cannot be sold in the United States. Now that those vehicles exist, there is no more development that needs to be done.
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@aussieideasman8498 21 seconds ago
@richardryley3660 "I don't expect you to ever admit you are wrong or apologize to anyone." Have a think - if someone is unlikely to admit wrong and apologize they are most likely not going to make the suggestion they will. Your unintelligence is astounding. You don't use it, and instead just like to make false accusations devoid of substance.
"If you do, I will apologize to you. But I very much doubt I will have to." Such tit-for-tat is unnecessary, because this is not about us - it's about an EV. So far, the history of this EV is more of a joke than a success, and if it finally succeeds it can't remove the ongoing joke that preceded it. It will have managed it by the skin of its teeth.
"Every vehicle ever developed has gone through the phase Aptera is going through right now." Not so. You lie. Many have, but not every. In many decades ago the startups had a high success rate, but in modern times it's quite the opposite. This may be a factor of modern greed and the advent of Ponzi schemes, but is probably more complex than that.
"A production intent vehicle has to be built, tested, and certified by the government." Yes, government intervention is stronger these days; it's a factor. However, governments are not interested in PI's. They wait until there's a product to scrutinize. Products are not allowed to be sold until they pass, but it MUST be a product first - 100%
"Until that happens it cannot be sold in the United States." Until a product is tested, not a PI.
"Now that those vehicles exist, there is no more development that needs to be done." No product exists - we are still at fake PI's. Get real.
wholy moly thats indepth, I coudn't resist I had to watch the predictable rubbish jan update of c.anthony, coudnt stand to hear his voice so just read the captions, yup same old rubbish concentrating on irrelevant fluff and not an honest appraisal of anything in particular. Interesting the test drive videos from ces they must have recorded the reporters in the passenger seat, whats interesting is all the videos I've seen on yt were none of those reporters, did most of them just not do a video report on it? Just put it in the archives for some later data?
Imagine if he did a completely honest monthly update...........
well folks we are ****ed
our efficiency is stupid low, our solar is not going to run the lights that you have to leave on and the blower fan at same time, our average solar at vegas was just rediculously low and pretty much a waste of time, but damn the car looks good.
we dont have a patent on the design and are getting sued, we dont have money to continue much longer, the sec is knocking on the door.
On the bright side we haven't been picked up by a cluey reporter as the next theranos story.......so all is just rosey folks.........moving to south america soon
( just for entertainment of course)
maybe they should just concentrate on the aptera logo, as fambro suggested when ninjineer asked him if he anything to add when he ran dry of questions in the interview.
Maybe not a bad idea.
Just concentrate on building and selling the logo........oh maybe thats what they are doing already?
@@namenotshown9277 You do know the fanboys will think Aunty was excellent in the Jan Update? What happened to AOC taking the roll?
@@aussieideasman8498 yup seems they will literally believe anything....quite bizarre, seems no questioning or interrogating claims at all, when an obvious red flag pops up it's completely ignored, like the 500w solar max from Reed.
It will never be mentioned since it would mean an immediate range cut....it diverges from what they have been told to believe its really most odd