John-(UK) | Where Did The First Atheist Cell Come From? | The Atheist Experience 26.19
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- The Atheist Experience 26.19 for May 8, 2022 with Matt Dillahunty and @Forrest Valkai.
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Bravo for bringing Forrest onto the shows - he's an excellent science communicator.
Forrest ist brilliant!
I love how well he explains everything
and always having fun.
Definitely, one of the best
@@onlychangeiscertain that's my favorite thing about him, his French Stewart smile 😂
Forrest might be my new favorite host. Not only does he know his shit, but he explains it clearly and concisely.
yep. Matt and Forrest = BS annihilators . Some of these callers are full of it.
I do so dissaprove of this type of American expression
He does explain stuff clearly and concisely and it still goes right over callers heads
@@FlyingSpaghettiJesus I prefer your un-american rendition of the original sentiment.......... as mixing one's points with bowel contents is a distraction to say the least
@@chevinbarghest8453 I don’t care what you prefer butter cup 😂
Cope.
I am 65 and I had been Baptist but left Religion in September 2010.
I have learned more in the last 13 yrs than I did my whole life.
Letting go of Religion freed my mind.
In the UK here 55% and growing describe themselves as no religion. When I was a child 50 years ago I thought that religion was only something in history books about wars between Popes. It wasn't until I was in my twenties that I actually met someone who I actually realised believed in gods and jesuses and things. Atheism is absolutely the default in a world where everything that used to be attributable to supernatural explanation is understandable in an entirely consistent framework. Literally no need for superstition unless you are of an excessively judgmental and insecure nature.
Growing up in the US I thought that everyone in the world accepted the Bible was historical fact! Until I was about 17 and started to question some things via talking to people.
I became an atheist in 1957. I didn't know of any other atheists, (except Bertrand Russell possibly), and schools taught Xian religion as fact. I noticed a change in the mid-60s. I think it was a few comedies, like Monty Python and 'Till Death Do Us Part, that lampooned Xianity, that allowed for societal criticism of religion and burgeoning disbelief.
You're lucky. There are parts of the U.S. where upon meeting you for the first time, people will ask you what church you go to.
I grew up in the UK 60's and 70's. My family never even mentioned religion and none of my friends were at all religious. The only religious family I knew lived four doors away and their children turned out druggies.
@@richardharris8538 and you're still alive?
Forrest says all the things I've been wanting to hear theists be told on shows like this. Life is just chemistry, chemistry is just physics.
He has his own channel too 😁
It's good stuff.
That's basically it. Now, the interactions are not in dispute of course. That's how it works. However, an understanding of systems and how properties of systems emerge from constituents from a lower level of analysis is an important aspect of it.
@@richardleeskinneriii9640 Wow! I never heard someone speak fluent bullshit!
I love his very casual explanations- "oh yeah it's just xyz. No biggie. Just the secrets of how the universe works" His enthusiasm is also contagious.
@@richardleeskinneriii9640 Oh, shut up. It's counterproductive to try to impress. UGH Dunning-Kruger
As a fellow biologist / biochemist, this was just SO painful. And just spoke to one like the creationist guys. Pointed him to all the right locations, explanations etc. But just flatout refuses to look at it AND keeps saying he finds evolution unlikely (without understanding it). Bit the bible was of course completely true, because 'reasons'......
Deep sigh......
You can never beat a perfect idiot with reasoning. Just help them to appear even more ridiculous and stupid for anyone else listening.
It’s especially nuts because they have every single opportunity to learn as most people. This isn’t knowledge hidden away somewhere! It seems to be that people who ask “what created the first cell” when you ask “what is a god and how could/did it did it create” seem to know they don’t have the goods.
But it’s personal/emotional to them, like their religion, so they don’t see the need to look at the facts and wants their “oh yea well” script, and faith to carry them through the flow chart.
I mean, imagine being so ignorant and/or dishonest, you say “well where did the first cell come from” because you claimed to know where the first and every cell came from, and couldn’t.
@@AzathothTheTrueGod i fully agree. It gets even worse when we explain stuff or point them to resources, but they just refuse to even acknowledge it.
And then in the next thread demand evidence again...... it's delusional and dishonest.
@@AzathothTheTrueGod These people do not know the difference between verifyable facts and stuff they make up. Full Dunning-Kruger.
Especially since the argument is that if a theist doesn’t know where the “first cell” comes from, it must be the god that they already believe in. They don’t even have a way to say how ANYTHING was “created” whether it be a cell, or anything else. Nor do they attempt to learn anything about it.
Oh to be young again and have Forrest as teacher in science class...
The guy is a force of science.
I would have found his good looks very distracting as a teenager with raging hormones.
@@kellydalstok8900
My thoughts exactly!
The biggest evolution challenge for religious apologists is learning what evolution says.🙈
And the first thing they need to learn is that it is Evolution by Natural Selection, NOT Evolution by Random Mutation.
The second biggest challenge is for them to understand that if evolution were proved to be totally false, that doesn't mean biblical creationism wins by default.
@@dx1450 That’s a MASSIVE “if” considering the mountains of evidence behind it.
Forrest’s answer is wonderful.
And of course any creationists watching will have switched off after about 100 words.
I know many believers and when you pin them in a corner, they come back with
THE DEVIL DID IT TO TRICK YOU. where do you go with that?
@@gknight4719 I tend to get the Romans thing; you KNOW that God is real, you just want to sin. Once someone tells you what you are thinking, even if you calmly point out to them that they are utterly wrong, the discussion is already over.
You can always play the card back at them. God is the omnipotent one, not the Devil, therefore God must know that I would be an atheist, therefore I must be doing His work by being an atheist, therefore I will be rewarded when I die. So far it's always shut them up when I've tried it.
@@lidbass Well put, I will give it a go. thanks
I just sat through three AXP vids with Matt & Forrest, and all I can say is IT'S ABOUT TIME. Actually, the best AXP trio would be Matt, Shannon, & Forrest, hands down. This way, we can handle the logic, the psychology, and the science whenever ol' Beelzebub (i.e. the uneducated sophomore) decides to ring us up again.
No Jeff?
You can’t have a best of AXP without Jeff. He was the most passionate when it was required, could go on the attack without immediately hanging up after, and was great about cutting right to the core of an argument. I almost want to include Don in the top 5 at least because he had some of the funniest responses to theists.
@@Byorin
The irony is that everyone on this show will have those instances of mocking played back to them.
In addition no matter what academic achievements of the panel taking calls. When it comes to understanding God's word. Every atheist exemplifies Dunning Kruger.
@@John-uk8eo Christians and religious people do not understand god's word either. That's why there are so many religions, and so many versions of the bible. Each claim to be the true or correct version. But how accurate can an omnipotent deity's books be if they have the word "version" attached to them?
@@butkusfan23
However that has no effect on the reliability of God's word. Christians are urged to read the word daily to confront errors within the church as well as correct false teaching. As well as refer to scripture when defending the faith?
@@John-uk8eo So is it your contention that Matt’s understanding of the Bible was automatically reduced when he decided he wasn’t going to be a preacher anymore? Seems like you’ve got a lot of work to back that up!
Atheist cell sounds like a resistance thing where each resistance cell keeps separate from the others to keep each cell from knowing too much about the overall structure to be able to compromise it.
shhhhh! so far, only members of the inner circle know about it....and the first rule of the inner circle resistance cell is, *"DON'T TALK ABOUT THE INNER CIRCLE RESISTANCE CELL!"*
....WTF ARE YOU THINKING?!?!?!!
Only the inner circle atheists know about such things... You know, like when Christians call in and claim that they were once an "inner circle atheist."
Forrest and Matt together is atheist heaven
Humanity started out as Atheists, then at some point, some superstitious people came up with magical explainations for things they could not explain and people bought into it. But now, people are slowly starting to wake up and realize the magical explaination is BS and are going back to being Atheists. Which is a good thing.
Atheism is the height of the unexplained. Men haven't a clue how life came to be so they invented the big bang. What about all the things nessasary before the big bang. They can't even put together a theory how these reactions could begin without an intelligence.
You can't have a universe create itself. Can only happen in fairytales.
Love this!
It's ironically a survival mechanism: a fear gene, if you hear the leaves rustling, it could be a predator, or it could just be the rustling leaves.
Then there's the socially evolutionary way of governoring ourselves: creating Gods to serve the purpose of some, while keeping in line the rest.
Indoctrination and what seems normal does the rest.
Humanity started out as theist not atheist. The oldest text we know of depict theistic beliefs. And this is true for ALL coultures around the world.
@@aceventura5398 the majority of time that humans have existed, writing hasn’t so appealing to writing doesn’t get you there. We just don’t know what the oldest humans thought.
Also we do find some cultures entirely lacking a concept of gods. Missionaries have pointed them out as virtually impossible to proselytize to since they have no preconceptions of gods that can be exploited
I'll never quite grasp the level of ego on creationists who genuinely believe because they don't understand something that its not true. It's bizarre.
I'd like to see a band called "Atheist Cell."
And their first single 'Straight outta conservapedia'
@@cartesiancircle From the debut album Birds Aren’t Real
So nice to see Forrest on the Atheist Experience ! Im a huge fan of both of these man.
Even if evolution is wrong, that doesn't automatically mean creation is correct. Both could be wrong. What if there's a third option?
Third option? That option would be something other than random mutation or an intelligent designer.
"What ifs" are not used, but could exist. We use "What is" not "What ifs"
Aliens. Alien Bigfoot.
@@zoggdawg8141 , oh yeah...definitely aliens! 🤣😓☺️
@@dukeblair7792 sure Aliens is just moving the goalpost and you can make a fortune of it, but you have to the first to do like Erich von Danicken did.
It's amazing how John needs evidence for evolution but doesn't need any evidence for a magical invisible man in the sky.
John isn't a creationist, he's just bringing questions he got from one.
I think you've misunderstood where John is coming from. He believes in evolution. What he did was talk to creationists and asked them what questions they'd like to put to atheists regarding evolution. I thought this prompted an interesting and informative response from the two presenters.
I'm the John that made the call. I was having a long debate with a creationist on Quora and these were the five things that he asked me to 'prove'. If I wasn't able to do this, it would demonstrate that evolution does not have a sound scientific basis. I am not a biologist. I didn't even know if the challenges were valid or not (excluding the 'atheist's cell' nonsense). When I saw that Forrest was on the show, I took the opportunity to test them out. This is what my creationist interlocutor sent me. I did not respond any further.
EVOLUTION IS BUILT UPON A HOUSE OF CARDS.
1. Prove that the first ever atheist’s lone isolated cell could have formed without there ever having been a previous cell.
2. Prove that the atheists first ever lone isolated cell could have evolved into the atheists first ever single celled organism.
3. Show how a cell could live for billions of years without a mechanism to transform an energy source into fuel. How one could have formed DNA that would have been needed to transform energy into fuel.
4. How, a cell without DNA could have begun to replicate.
5. And prove that any single celled organism replicated multicelled organisms.
All of this would first been needed to be shown possible before evolution could ever have a chance to be scientifically sound.
There is no solidity to anything. It's all wave frequencies. Without sensors and codes nothing exist. Without life forms decoding information there is nothing. This is all the proof nessasary to know an intelligence is the creator.
A God is impossibly hard to accept given he is not showing himself.
So why don't these religions explain why he isn't showing himself.
Religions are not here to lead people to a God. Religions are here to keep the majority of them from KNOWING God. Religious people say they *beleive* some will *KNOW* , but the vast majority will have doubts.
God hardens hearts against belief. Why ?
Because the trial calls for atheism to be incorporated into societies.
A trial is taking place. It's a trial to see if humans can have their cake and eat it too.
Satan said they can while Yahweh warned against it.
Yahweh: " do not take the knowledge I keep from you. For if you do you will surely die "
Satan: " take the knowledge I can give you and become gods"
This is how atheism developed from belief. Atheism is crucial to a fair trial. The humans must live without the *KNOWLEDGE* or influences of our creator for the trial to be acceptable to both sides.
Why not just kill Satan ?
The catylst of doubt was cast after Lucifer spoke those words..
One third of the angels sided with Satan. The rest fought with the father against Satan and his now angels.
But that doesn't mean they all KNOW the Father was telling the truth.
Just as the humans who say they believe carry doubts , so too do the angels.
How can they know the Father is telling the truth unless it's put to the test.
Laws and regulations in this trial:
Yahweh and Satan must remain out of sight to the majority.
KNOWLEDGE of their existence is OFFERED to individuals given the right circumstances.
Only when the humans are literally seconds away from total destruction can Yahweh intervene.
Doing so before this critical moment will have lucifer proclaiming the humans were not given enough time to work out their problems.
Then the humans will live with Yahweh for a thousand years while Satan and his angels are locked away. This a period allotted for reconnection and experience life * WITHOUT * the hidden knowledge.
Once the thousand years is completed Satan and his angels are released. Any who beleive the life they had under the hidden knowledge was more favourable to them may join Satan in the final battle for the earth and all its content.
When creationists say things like YOU have to do the work of educating me or else the whole of science is dismissed are admitting they don’t actually have any way to demonstrate the truth of “creation”. It’s personal to them, not objective.
They remain in ignorance because they’re not able to put effort in studying these things like literally everyone else has to do.
I still like when Matt used to say that Universe Farting Pixies caused the universe! The first time I heard that, I nearly fell off my chair laughing.
I'm going to write a book outlining the mountain of evidence for the Universe Farting Pixies Theory.
The preponderance of valid and verifiable evidence/scientific evidence supporting the theory of evolution exists, even if theists don't want to acknowledge it.
Their lack of acknowledgement in no way invalidates the theory of evolution.
Theists can hold any opinion they want, that is their right.
Their opinions also do not invalidate the theory of evolution.
The preponderance of evidence/evidence supporting an intelligent designer exists, even if atheists don't want to acknowledge it. Their lack of acknowledgement in no way invalidates an intelligent designer.
Atheists can hold any opinion they want, as is their God given right. Their opinions do not invalidate the truth.
@@John-uk8eo there is no preponderance of scientific evidence supporting "intelligent design".
So far, there's only unfounded claims about "intelligent design".
Have a good day!
@@williamtarry4405
Really? So how did your comment here come about? Where did it come from?
Didn't you write and post your comment? Or did it just appear over time? Also the device you used to post your message, did it pop into existence over time?
@@John-uk8eo Asking about how something we both agree was created by someone doesn't help establish that the world and everything had one.
@@ragg232
It actually does unless you assert that it takes intelligence to form a complete thought, but intelligence is not required for the universe.
That begs the question. What makes a complete thought greater than the universe in that a complete thought requires a designer, but the universe? No?
Excellent call ! Jam packed full of information, no philosophy, no word games, no waffling, no "personal experiences of the supernatural", and no bloody God either ! Both hosts were good but to quote that old pop song, Forrest was *hot stuff baby, tonight* ! Such enthusiasm !
At around four or five years old , I must’ve picked up the atheist cell, just like some people pick up Covid. Most of the callers need to be wary of picking up the padded cell.
Where did the first atheist cell come from???!!! You might as well ask where did the 1st Catholic cabbage come from!
"It's not magic, it's something that can happen naturally"
Yup.
I always love when an argument is literally just, that person completely misunderstanding the topic XD
Forrest is absolute gold, an incredible asset to the show. I was in complete awe with a his presentation
Creationist argument: "Hard questions for which we don't know the exact answer to?" Creationist answer: "Gawwddddd"
Atheist answer big bang...But without how it came about.
@@aceventura5398 its called "we don't know, quit making up answers and pretending you do"
@@brutusmaximumus no idea what your referring to.
@@brutusmaximumus oh I think I get what your referring to now. You atheist are so into accepting half explinations then understanding it and believing it. It's like super power only you guys posses. Incredible.
You mean when a theist is given a question they can't answer God is the answer.
Well why wouldn't it be. Is not their God responsible for all things.
It's an acceptable answer in this context. Atheist have not the slightest idea how life began and so answer " we don't know " You can't take God out of a theist argument when the discussion is about God.
Doing so is just plain stupid. Are you plain stupid. I don't think so. So what are you then ?
@@aceventura5398 Well you were the only one they were responding to.
"Who would cross the Bridge of Death
Must answer me these questions three
Ere the other side he see!"
My favourite colour is definitely blue, thanks....
Hi Tim.
So about those birds.....
Only about 500 pages? For most creationists even 500 characters is too long. 😉
I am in awe listening to Forrest.
Try listening to tough nut DR. D. JAMES
KENNEDY.
Same here.
Are they claiming the first cell wasn't atheist? Gawd or no, do the first cells have beliefs in the first place?
Funny how god believers demand more Proof from us mere Humans than they do from their "All Everything" god. Why is that? Is it because... deep down inside.... they know their beliefs are false?
If that be so. These believers are not doing what their God told them to do. He tells them to put him to the test. But most are to lazy to do it. So your argument is not against a god But he's followers.
@@aceventura5398 -- welllll.... it depends on which of the tens of thousands of gods they worship. If it is one of the many "Abrahamic" gods, then it depends on which of the tens of thousands of denominations they are in. Because like a good Con Artist will do, in those books in some verses it Promises you ANYTHING you ask for in prayer. But as a Con Artist, how do you get out of a promise like that when NOTHING happens? Ahh... you also put in verses like Deuteronomy 6:16 that says = "You shall NOT put your lord your god to the test". Also says the same thing in verses Matthew 4:7 and Luke 4:12. That way, when nothing happens, the Con Artist can Blame the people and tell them = "AHA!!!! This is YOUR fault!! As you tried to TEST god!!". Just more Excuses for their god.
That is just one of too many things wrong with those very Flawed books.
"Atheist cell"?! What?
"Proove this 5 questions and when you cannot evolution is a lie."
response should be
"Proove these 5 question and when you cannot creation is a lie."
If these types can not play this tit for tat game fair, why should you?
Atheist Cell! Woow it's a original as it is stupid.
I like, "oh, so you believe in Gord? What is the opposite of a duck? What does one half of tuesday weigh? What is the 907,307th digit of pi? What was the precise volume and chemical makeup of the 3rd fart I squeezed out while passed out drunk on the night of my 21st birthday? If you can't get the answer to these questions that I've pulled out of my ass, then your hotline to Gord isn't working because they don't exist."
fuck'em...
@@TheSnoeedog "The opposite of a duck"
WHAWHAWHA, no idea, but a spendid question.
@@kamion53 I have a textbook from a critical thinking class called
"There are two
errors in the
the title of
this book"
it's a compendium of conundrums, paradoxes and proposed solutions. At the beginning of a chapter is a list of proposed "unanswerable questions" (the chapter is about how some questions are more worth answering than others). My favourite two are "what is the opposite of a duck," and "what does one half of thursday weigh...?"
I highly recommend the book, it's great fun to read, and with a little looking you can find a free pdf of it for download.
live well
@@TheSnoeedog found it
@@kamion53 Excellent. So I've been flashing that cover page at people for 20 ish years and to date, I and 1 other person are the only 2 that I am aware of who solved the "riddle" of the title. I'd love to hear back from you some time if ANYONE has found the second error.
if you haven't opened the book yet, all it should take is a quick glance at the table of contents to sell you on giving it a read....."how to win a camel anti-race" for example...."PROVING GOD" & "DISPROVING GOD" are back to back...
my personal favourite is almost certainly the unpacking of the infinite monkey theorem to see how long a finite number of monkeys would need to type to hit the line "To be or not to be"
ENJOY!
It's the perennial question that I have never had a creationist answer directly:
Is there anything that happens on its own or is god required for everything?
For example, if I toss a handful of change on the ground, do the coins land in their final position all on their own or does god come down and personally, consciously, and deliberately position them?
Without God nothing could happen as he began everything. But he doesn't know all things and doesn't take part in all things and isn't responsible for all things.
The religious fools think God knows everything before it happens. But their holy bible they claim is the complete word of God clearly tells them he doesn't. Gen 18, 20. I have heard the people of sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil. Everything they do is wicked. So I am going down to see for myself , then I will know "
Religion isn't here to guide people to faith. It's to take the majority away from faith. The bible is full of shit, but is also full of wisdom and knowledge.
Atheism is crucial to ending this HELL we live in and to begin the new world. I see no wrong in atheism but it's stupidity.
But I see a multitude of wrongs in religion.
And if they're dumb enough to say that it's according to "God's will" then ask them if they know what Russian roulette is and apply the same logic . Oh but wait "God doesn't kill.". hmmm... 🤔
Funny how creationists always demand extensive evidence from atheists, while the best they can come up with is: god dunnit or muh buybull.
Do you mean the Wholly Babble?
Funny how atheist always demand extensive evidence from theist , while the best they can come up with are theories.
@@aceventura5398
Tell me you don't know what Scientific Theory means without saying that you don't know what Scientific Theory means...
@@MrMarcusIndia a theory is offered as an explination for what we believe is objective. You can't not know what it means.
@@aceventura5398
Like Gravitational Theory & the Germ Theory of Disease?
The fact that you just said that shows you have maybe an 8 year olds level of education on the subject.
I don't understand how words work and so I don't accept stuff. That is all he said.
May the force be with you .
And also with you
What a hilarious call. Personally I wouldn't bother with anyone who uses the term "atheist cell" because there's no such thing, especially when you're in the science realm. How did the first cell come about? Go talk to a scientist (looks at forrest).
Well, _every_ cell is atheist, 'cos an individual cell can't believe in anything.
@@nagranoth_
Does this atheist cell also not believe in airplanes? What about itself? If it isn't aware of anything... then it can't believe that it exists.
@@John-uk8eo Considering it wouldn't even have a brain, no.
@@John-uk8eo
well duh, of course not. I think they were just making a joke.
@@zoggdawg8141
And I was adding to it.
aren't all cells atheists
I think he's trying to imply that cells don't exist and are just an invention of atheists. Which is even more stupid.
I'd imagine the first atheist cell existed in some cults basement.
But then again, I'd imagine there were ancient humans who didn't believe in a god as a group, but still held each other captive. So maybe that was where the first cell containing atheists was?
Thanks for that "first question," John - I'm sure my keyboard needed that coffee!
John sounds like the same guy that goes by Biblical, if you know who I'm referring to he's the guy that always says the biblical God the biblical this the biblical that LOL. Maybe I'm Wrong
Listening to Forrest’s speech made me feel like there’s so much to learn.
the thing is... it takes about 2 minutes to look this up now because of the internet.
@@blarglemantheskeptic here's the difference ... How the first cell was made. That all you have to do to find an answer to these questions. This person was asked nf some sort of gotcha question that really wasn't. Ask a flat earther a question of the same caliber and they launch ad hominem attacks and say the phrase over. Ex: gravity pulls things to the center. Not down. FE will say its magnetism. Gravity doesn't exist and your an idiot if you question it. So there is a difference
Dear Christians,
1. In Genesis 30:25-43 it states that animals that have sex in front of colored sticks will bear offspring with that color. Prove that is possible.
2. In Leviticus 25:44-46 it states that slavery is permissible if they come from foreign countries or foreigners living among you. Prove that is moral.
3. In Matthew and Mark it is stated that the mustard seed is the smallest of all the seeds. Prove that is true.
If you can not prove all three Bible passages are correct then you must conclude that Shinto is the correct religion and place shrines to the Kami in your houses.
I'm pretty sure cell thought of himself as a god, he deffinitly thought he was the perfect being after absorbing 17 and 18.
Forrest knows his shit, Matt knows his shit. I love you guys!!
Thank you for making this available for our consideration.
It's funny how they want to say that simply because we do not yet understand all the mechanics and processes but do have a lot of strong hard evidence to support science, that somehow means that their religious beliefs, which have ZERO evidence are somehow proven correct. As he said... "that's not how science works".
To me... the abiogenesis 'proof' question seems to equivocate two different issues. The principle of abiogenesis is supported by so much evidence it should be considered proven beyond reasonable doubt. Which is different question to demonstrating the exact pathway taken by complex chemistry on the cusp of the birth of the first viral replicators and subsequent cell. This latter is unlikely to ever be known.
Not just that, but if somehow the existence of Gord were proven, and somehow it was proven that they "sneezed life onto the universe" (or some such fuzzy bullshit), then the dictionary entry for abiogenesis would be *abiogenesis - noun - the scientific term for the moment Gord sneezed life onto the universe; the field of abiogenesis studies is an attempt by scientists to investigate Gord's phlegm.*
...or something
@@TheSnoeedog Ah... the famous Great Green Arkelseisure hypothesis.... beware the time of the coming of the great white hanky.
This we know because its written... by DNA.
But it happened, we are here. And we can explain the entire route from the 5 aminonacids that are even found in space, and early earth, and gasclouds in space etc etc.
High time the anti science brigade shuts up and stops wasting everyone's time
@Hey Girl I Like Your Kitchen Romania Pasteur never addressed abiogenesis. Rather his focus was 'spontanious generation' which was a pretty absurd notion in the first instance.
And the so called 'law' of biogenesis is a profoundly flawed hypothesis which defies the laws of thermodynamics.
The shortest distance between dissonance and serenity is consideration.
A creationist asking for scientific evidence is like a goldfish asking for a computer - they don't actually want it and they don't know how to use it when you give it to them.
Gods would not exist except for human ignorance. Gods explain, to the satisfaction of the ignorant, the causes of things they do not understand. And ignorance isn't bad, in and of itself; it's WILLFUL ignorance that dooms these people.
So how did nature create life?
Let's take this question and apply it to a creationist. What created g-d? If they want you to prove them wrong they first need to prove their position is correct.
Just to clarify, here's the response I gave to one of the commentators below:
I'm the John that made the call. I was having a long debate with a creationist on Quora and these were the five things that he asked me to 'prove'. If I wasn't able to do this, it would demonstrate that evolution does not have a sound scientific basis. I am not a biologist. I didn't even know if the challenges were valid or not (excluding the 'atheist's cell' nonsense). When I saw that Forrest was on the show, I took the opportunity to test them out. This is what my creationist interlocutor sent me. I did not respond any further.
EVOLUTION IS BUILT UPON A HOUSE OF CARDS.
1. Prove that the first ever atheist’s lone isolated cell could have formed without there ever having been a previous cell.
2. Prove that the atheists first ever lone isolated cell could have evolved into the atheists first ever single celled organism.
3. Show how a cell could live for billions of years without a mechanism to transform an energy source into fuel. How one could have formed DNA that would have been needed to transform energy into fuel.
4. How, a cell without DNA could have begun to replicate.
5. And prove that any single celled organism replicated multicelled organisms.
All of this would first been needed to be shown possible before evolution could ever have a chance to be scientifically sound.
Extra note: I doubt if this creationist had the first clue about biology. I wouldn't be surprised if these challenges came from some pseudoscientific mumbo-jumbo from one or more creationist websites.
Let's not forget that the creationist is requiring proof to a standard he can't meet.
I like when Forrest said "only 500 pages" lmao
As an underachiever, it may as well be 50,000 pages for me.
Forrest and Matt together… the ultimate tag team.
This dude has not heard of photosynthesis
I hope its Cell from Dragonball.
Forrest nails it
John, there is no such thing as an "Atheist cell".
I'm John. Please see my reply to Tyler Timpany above.
BRO! STOP TALKING! YES YOU'RE SMART! JUST SAY WHAT YOU WANT AND STOP! JEEZ! YOU KEEP TALKING! WE GET IT, YOU'RE VERY SMART.
The fact that amino acids are found within meteorites suggests to me that there was once more than 9(8) planets in our solar system that, some time ago, two or more may have collided and produced the meteors.
Not necessary. Some of the Ammino acids could have been formed as those rocks moved close to the sun...
I haven't watched TAE in a while- but then I saw Forrest was making an appearance, it was a surprise! Great video
What gets me is that creationists imagine an all knowing and powerful god that must individually control each quark in the universe, except those giving free will, of course.
Soap bubbles make cells. Soap must be god.
Forrest is great!! He can help a theist see the trees. (Caution--Joke under construction)
Not sure where the first "atheist cell" came from, but pretty sure is was a brain cell.
Chemistry is just an expression of Physics. Biology is just a type of chemistry. It's all physics.
If any religion could show any evidence backing their claims, the entire world would believe.
If science could show evidence how matter came into being without an intelligence behind it no one would believe in God.
@@aceventura5398 you’re both impressively wrong. Imagine that
@@kissit012 oh kiss it
@@aceventura5398 wrong!! no matter what evidence is presented, the religious will always claim god is responsible for whatever is observed. 'god made the DNA'
@@jbag7932 and no mater what evidence is presented the atheist will claim God isn't responsible for whatever is observed. DNA is not information.
I'm embarrassed when creationists from the UK call in, most people don't give a hoot for religion.
How very true, i'm English and have never been interested in fairy tales, reality os so much better.
Sounds like an argument from Dale Garland.
Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory
~The Onion
Holy shit take it home Matt!!!
Such a great team. The optimistic, good faith scientist, and the No B.S.-ex -Preacher Curmudgeon.
More Forrest please
atheist cell? are we a different species?
Forrest, you are razor sharp. Matt, we miss you so much.
Forest is so good!!!
so it IS chemistry that tells the dna how to form basicly, for me that makes sense even though in school i had a hard time to understand how sugar and starch form from the same fundamental atoms of oxygen, hydrogen and carbon, biochem wasn't my tea :D
Yup, it's chemistry that reacts under the influence on it's environment and physics. We are here because this specific planet got lucky because it has the right properties. And i would fully expect other planets to contain life at some point. Its not magic and there are TRILLIONS upon trillions of planets
Really I had Lego so it made sense to me. Same blocks bit it could be a space ship or a truck.
RNA has been known to fold back on itseld. And that looks a LOT like DNA.
Sometimes an English accent makes a person seem smarter than they really are. This is not one of those times.
If you had paid attention you would have known that the caller was not advocating against evolution .
He was in a Quora discussion with an evolution denier who posed those questions to him.
Summary: Read a book any book but the bible
What is the difference between a "theist" cell and an "atheist" cell?
Theist cell is made by god and the atheist cell is made by satan, obviously
@@Ozone280 God made Satan so he's to blame, but it's difficult to blame something that is only real in Christians minds because of brainwashing.
@@thomasmurrell6908 yea,sometimes theist brains seems to be completely washed away...
Firstly, this is not to take shots at Forrest or anyone. I've done my fair share of studying Origins of Life, its fascinating as is really THE question.
But with the confidence of Forrest saying how life started like he did, then simply why haven't we been able to replicate this in a lab? Why is the current majority consensus (on those who work in the Origins of Life field) then that we are no where near being able to do this. Theories yes, but non proven or replicated period.
But Forrest has figured it all out? Nobel prize worthy stuff if he has. Again, not a shot at him. Forrest ain't no dumby.
I think a fair additonal argument to be made on what he's saying then must be, if it indeed happens as "easy" as that, firstly why cant we do that here in a controlled lab setting, and why don't we see this anywhere else. Would it be that far of a stretch to say based on what he said?
Forrest makes learning fun.
Glad he prevented overturning the entire scientific paradigm by answering those super silly questions.
Bullet.
Dodged.
^_^
Wait, if the stuff that makes life came from asteroids, where did the asteroids come from? (Not a creationist, just curious)
He's talking about panspermia which is the, now proven, theory that the amino acids required for life arrived on earth but they still had to form somewhere
Abiogenesis is the theory which best explains how amino acids form and the conditions required. There was a period where it could occur on earth
The first stars where mainly made of Hydrogen and Helium, they consumed there fuel rather fast, these then exploded throwing all sorts of elements out into the galaxies.
These then collapsed under gravity influences, and formed , stars, planets and solar systems. Asteroids where formed by proto planets colliding.
This guy is stark, raving crazy!
Are they ever not almost out of time 😂
"Where Did The First Atheist Cell Come From?"
What an amazingly silly question. Every person is born an atheist. They have to be taught about god.
Forest is cool. First, his hair. Then, he is so excited about his field. How cool can he be?! 😎😎
Everybody at birth before they are indoctrinated! 😂
John is an atheist to many gods except one.
I'm John. Please see my reply to Tyler Timpany above. I am an atheist regarding all gods.
@@powerpointgamer I apologize, my mistake🙏 I was confused you were a theist...
@@vinnymarchegiano It's refreshing to hear someone who makes an honest mistake hold their hands up and say so. Thank you.
@@powerpointgamer Of course my friend, honestly is easier than a lie. Besides, nobody likes as asshole😁😉😎 Have a good weekend sir✌️🙏👋
Just saying.. He has no idea what your talking about?🤔
Montmorillonite clays
If I could ask every theist who calls in one question it would be _By what mechanism can you demonstrate the ability to differentiate between a genuine belief in a god that actually exists and a delusional belief in a god that doesn't exist?_
Your question is ambiguous. You need to refine it. A genuine belief is what ? A delusional belief is what ?
@@aceventura5398 I thought equating _genuine_ to belief in a god that actually exists and applying _delusional_ to belief in a god that doesn't exist was sufficient
I purposely worded it to be self-defining but ✈️🛫🛬🛩️
@@PronatorTendon no it's not that simple. There is one God but many angels. There are angels who have been thought as gods.
Is it delusional to think an angel is a god. No it is not.
Your one question has many questions attached to it. It's ambiguous. I don't think you have the knowledge to construct a proper question.
@@PronatorTendon how can a god be both real and not ?
@@aceventura5398
Since you obviously believe angels exist, I have to ask...
If there was a being standing in front of the two of us, and it claimed to be an angel.
What exactly do you suggest should be the first step we take to confirm the claim that was made to us?
I want to use your method, so this way I can make sure I'm not mistaken if it happens to me.
Please tell me.
Forrest is a cool dude.
Atheist cell! ROFL that came from deep within an echo chamber