I fucking love Pancreas’ dedication to sliding in bits of Eldar lore. It is through his channel and this recurring trait that I’ve actually realized how little play the Eldar get in 40k, and how they’re actually really cool.
I’m not sure that constitute as a hot take. Most 40k fans would agree that the most Ferrus contribute to the story is being the proof of Fulgrim’s fall.
#HotTake As much as I like Konrad's prophecy visions story arc, I despise how easily he thought his visions wouldn't changed and can't be changed. Because he didn't try to at all despite regular humans and even gods like Khaine trying to stop prophecies they disliked. I would've liked if there was a vision he wanted to prevent on his homeworld that he failed to stop, making him think the visions were set in stone. It would've made his speal more dramatic too since we'd have direct evidence of how the future visions he has couldn't be stopped from happening.
Well in his madness he actively refused to try, because he would have to accept that all his actions were of his own accord. Everything Konrad did he blamed on destiny and his alter ego Nighthaunter. He was actively trying to shift the blame to the point he would do more to make his visions happen than to prevent it. It wasnt that he didnt think he couldnt change it. It was him actively trying to avoid taking the blame for his folly.
@@_NutcasE_ But then why bother with certain interactions like the ones with sanguinius where there were implications of his prophecies not needing his input to happen? From a writing perspective I mean. It'd be way more dramatic if they outright proven to just happen even if he fought against them. It gives Konrad more flare and gives other characters he talks to about this food for thought and things to think on. Makes blaming the prophecies for his missdoings more legitimacy From a writing perspective having such a moment in his life where he failed to stop one of his prophecies but he failed and decided to throw away any hope of stopping such negative prophecies would be better for his character and the story. Also if it turns out he's alive after him letting an assassin kill him it gives WAY more things to think and speculate on.
@@petra4385 because its still foresight. His visions are not wrong. He just lies to himself and trys to convince sanguinius that its set in stone because the burden of him being able to change it is too horrifying for him to grasp. If things are going as the visions showed him, he takes it as vindication. Of its not going as he saw it he will make sure it will, because again breaking away from it he would have to come to terms that he could have broken away from his flaws any time he wanted, but he chose not to.
@@petra4385 in short Kurze is a horrible being and he knows it. His madness are his visions that drive him and later become a convenient shield from all blame from the horrors he has dished out.
@@petra4385 From a writing perspective it depends entirely on what kind of character you're depicting and what you're trying to get across. To me at least it seems like you're upset they aren't displaying Konrad as sane and stable in his motivations rather than the in reality insane and unstable man he is they were trying to get across. The whole point is that he's willfully ignorant of and in active denial of the fact he has no big legitimate reason for thinking what he thinks beyond being a coward and refusal to acknowledge he chose this. From a writing perspective giving him a big loud moment where he tries and fails to avert a big prophecy would ruin his entire characterization and honestly make him so so painfully run of the mill. Legit reread anything Curze related you've read because I guarantee you've missed the whole point of his existence. He's not there to be reasonable, he's not there to be misguided, he's not there to give other characters food for thought ffs, he's not there to have legitimate reasons, he's delusional, he's deranged, he's narcissistic, he's insane. It feels like you're giving writing advice for a character that...isn't Konrad. Same energy as someone reading a psychological horror book and at the end somehow having the take away of "well that wasn't a very good romantic comedy at all"
Least favorite Primarch? Personally it depends on the Era. Back in the day when The HH hadn't fleshed him out, I found Corax to be just this bland non-character who only existed to fill up the roster. But over time he's really grown into his own and the twist of "oh yeah he's totally embraced his existence as a Greater Daemon of Big E to hunt down his traitor brothers." Is an amazing characterization. But as Corax Grew its really seemed like The Lion has had all his interesting bits and bobs ripped from him. From this mysterious middle ground Primarch who didn't enter the Heresy out of pragmatism, not caring about alliance or goals, just about who was going to win. And only siding with Big E when it was clear he was to be the victor. And it being hinted that The Fallen and Luther were actually loyalists that were threatening to reveal The Lion's duplicity. Luther's claims that The Lion would forgive him having so much gravity. But now? The Lion is just another loyalist who always wanted to help The Emperor but wasn't able to. He's just another Russ, or Guilliman. But without the ability to claim he actually did something like Russ can with injuring Horus. Or like Guilliman can by uniting the scattered legions unable to break through the warpstorm blockade that could have left them easy pickings by the traitor forces. The modern Lion has nothing that makes him unique, nothing to let him stand out. His entire character has been stripped away until this point where he's just the generic loyalist Primarch. Barren of the individuality and character that once made him arguably the only Primarch who's actions and motivation had nothing to do with personal views, allegiances, or ideology, no grander goal or drive. Just pure pragmatism. There's also Ferrus Manus but that's to easy a target due to Black Library treating him more like a living plot point than a character.
But the Lion did give us "Loyalty is its own reward." Which is pretty much the most based way to say "No, you whiny bitches suck" to joining the heretics. 🤣
@Probably the DM Oh its an Amazing line that beautifully fits the universe. But it also doesn't sound like The Lion would say it. It far more sounds like something Sanguinius would say. Hell it would fit perfectly if Sanguinius had been the one to say it when he faced off with Horus on The Vengeful Spirit.
@@thechazz3230He did punctuate that line by apologising for a cheapshot then running the Night Haunter through so it kind of makes sense for him. He is probably one of the most absolute of the primarchs in that he barely compromises on his viewpoint even for brothers he is allied with (he technically didn't bomb McCragge. Technically). We also can't give Sanguinius all the good lines although the Khan and Dorn have also had a few during the action of the siege. If we're being technical for for his contributions to the heresy he took one of the traitors strongest fighters out of the war (Corvus and Russ were hesitant to fight him, if he made it to the siege he could have killed Dorn or the Khan). Otherwise he forced Horus to commit to his fight by destroying all the traitor homeworlds to cut off avenues of retreat/the flow of reinforcements. He also used his magic engine to get Corswain into position to keep the astronomican lit so Gulliman can actually find Terra through the ruinstorm. Short of waiting in ambush at the Eye of Terror and finishing off Abaddon/traitor primarchs or spending less time messing with the Night Haunter (which is his entire schtick to be fair) I don't know what he could have done better during the Heresy before his return to Caliban. If we're listing least favourite primarchs I might have to raise Fulgrim on account of being worse than useless to the traitor cause post Istvan.
I genuinely think the outsider c'tan is why the nids are how they are, and I'll say why: As we know, gods are really just abstract concepts with faces and names, with the c'tan being no exception. During the climax of the war in heaven, as the c'tan ate each other, the laughing god managed to make the outsider go mad and eat several more of his others in an insane frenzy after already doing so before to protect himself. So, he goes out into a dyson sphere and from his own conceptual thought process that is corrupted by madness, the tyranids came to be: they wanted to consume, consume and consume until there was nothing left and constantly shift and change their own bodies, *just like their maker.*
I’m surprised by how much I learned from this. Things I learned that shocked me: The Cult of old one eye in the Ultramar planets sounds really cool. The scythes of the emperor being an infected chapter seems crazy. Nurgle worshiping cult tenebrus sounds awesome and I really want to see chaos versions for every chaos god.
One of the best quotes from the bladed cogs story on their day of accession, "With mathematical precision, Thrensiom's electrophagic regime was overthrown, the Tech-priest himself slain by a Sanctus' biomutative bullet so the cult's nemesis could know the terrible glory of unbound flesh before he died."
#hottrake Leman Russ only worth while achievement was finding the leman russ tank. Leman Russ is one good argument away to become a tzeench demon primarch with his consulting with neverborn, runic fucking magic, and his legion of werewolves
#HotTake I find both Ferrus and Fulgrim uninteresting. I feel like Ferrus only exists to die to Fulgrim, and Fulgrim only exists for the shock of a primarch, killing another primarch early in the heresy to establish how serious the heresy really is.
#hottake - Caiphas Cain is the worst primarch of the deathguard - Trazyn is the best primarch of the silver skulls-legion 🤫 - I dislike Fulgrim and Emperors children even more after Amber King's "Lucius and Saul" video because the word perfection is repeated every 2 phrases 😅 - Fulgrim and the Emperors Children were one of the best loyalists in the heresy: they gave a net benefit to the imperium by backstabbing traitors (e.g. Perturabo) and getting distracted by the most useless things (invading worlds for the best mirrors, not sieging the Emperors Palace but rather hunting Terra's population - Leman: "storm seers" are just psychers with extra steps (Rick and Morty reference please ;) ) making Leman the biggest hypocrite and most unlikeable primarch. - In essence, almost all primarchs are like the child kings in ancient times: getting all the power and having none of the knowledge/wisdom to lead. They are big babies, children that grew up too quickly while having no-one to look up to or educate them w, because they surpassed everyone- already.
So happy I found you guys, I had a ball listening to you all, discusing like (if you allow me) gentlemen. I'll keep watching your videos. Kudos to all of you for your effort and work. I appreciate it.
#HotTake Iron Hand, Primarch of the Iron Hands who has Iron Hands should be the next primarch to make a comeback, exclusively so that Fulgrim can get some head again.
Here I was wondering "When are they going to say Tyranid???", had me briefly thinking I was wrong about the faction lol. #hottake is that from all of the reading I've done, I have never really bought the Sanguinius hype. He seems just like a slightly emo Fulgrim and I don't see him as all that good
#HotTake Fulgrim was (and still is) the worst Primarch, even before he picked up the Laer Blade. Also, you left out the best part: after the Tyranids consume all other sources of biomass on a planet, they order their own forces to jump into the harvesting pools, including the genestealers, to harvest their biomass. Right before they fall into the acid, the hivemind releases its control over them, allowing them for a split second to realize that they've betrayed the Emperor, humanity, and everyone they've ever known and loved before dying.
#Hottake I like all the Primarchs, but the traitors are my favorites and way more compelling to me than the loyalists. But if I had to pick one, Guilliman, because I'm a silly contrarian and Ultramarines bad
My least favorite Primarch is Horus How the Emperor didnt thought giving him the Warmaster title woudnt be a good Idea? His name is Horus Heresy after all
In the warhammer 60k big ass fan fiction the tyranids get extincted and it leaves the genestealers without a god for 10k years and they go full circle back to the imperium as “the realms of the fathers” they’re one of the good guys in the setting.
#HOTTAKE The Lion is one of, if not the most incompetent primark during and after the heresy. Consistently he lies for basically no reason other than to save face for his own selfish pride despite knowing it is tactically, morally and objectively the wrong thing to do in the moment. Perfect example, not only did he fall for Horus's plan and get tied up and distracted with the nightlords despite knowing he was being played. Not only did Konrad match him in combat, but the nightlords legion, despite being the TERROR legion against space marines who were much smaller than the dark angels. Still they managed to decimated the dark angels way more proportionally then themselves when the lion clearly knew better that he should have just cut his losses and headed back to Terra. When he finally captured Konrad and got him on his own flagship Konrad still managed to escape and evade him on his own ship. Then when he finally got to ultramar he lied to Guiliman and then proceeded to let Konrad escape on Guilimans home world and then lied about it again, when they could have got Konrad If you would have just told his brother and asked for assistance sweeping his ship with more manpower from the ultramarines. Then when Konrad is terrorizing Guilimans homeworld the lion has the audacity to demand nuking heavily populated areas to kill Konrad Knowing it probably won't work and would just lead to more death and suffering and would play into Konrad's plan and still gets mad and rage quits when his other two brothers thinks that's a dumb idea when it was his fault to begin with. Next he orbiterly bombards Guilimans homeworld and then lies to his face because he refuses to admit he was wrong but instead doubles down again. Then when Guiliman finds out and is rightfully angry the lion has the audacity to rage quit again like a petulant child when this entire ordeal was his fault to begin with. And finally when he fought Luther and LOST, mind you Luther is not an Astartes, HES A MORTAL when the Lions entire stick is supposed to be the bestest at fighting people! He then proceeds to cry himself to sleep for literally over 10,000 years when the rest of his loyalist brothers either disappeared for more legitimate reasons or just straight up died like Vulcan or Guiliman! I'll give The Lion simps one thing. Yeah the Lion has some cool moments but they're entirely eclipsed by his consistent stupidity and incompetent decisions not to mention he's entire personality is literally just "pompous douchebag" who swings sword good, something that all the primarks are good at the lion is not particularly special at anything!
Leman Russ. The Biggest Hypocrite in 40k which is saying a lot. Also one of the most confusing to talk about since the tank named after him is more well known then he is. It would also probably make a better Primarch. #HotTake
#hottake Corvus Corax is the only primarch I forget exists. But the fact that he didn’t like the Luna Wolves and Horus just makes him seem like GW needed him to be ‘different’ and edgy. Oh and he’s the primarch of my least favourite legion.
#HotTake Least favorite Primarch... I mean its hard, cus all of them have something compelling about them! Even Konrad has a sense of tragedy, Lorgar is sympathetic and Ferrus I just kinda feel bad for the Iron Hands fans for... IS WHAT I WOULD BE SAYING IF RUSS DIDN'T EXIST! Every Primarch has some layer of complexity and depth to them, but not our wolf boy, lord of the space wolf wolf pack from mythical wolf planet! Dude's a one note joke about vikings combined with some Black Library writers secret wolf fursona notes and saddled with the important task of always making the WORST decision in every situation he was faced with! Meeting the Emperor? I'm gonna punch him! Meeting the Lion? I'm gonna punch him, then laugh at him instead of explaining that I didn't hate him! Getting ordered to possibly wipe out the two lost chapters for Malcador? Sounds good! Getting told my Horus that I should murder Magnus and the Thousand Sons even though Big E just told me to arrested him and they clearly are not firing at us so maybe we SHOULDN'T just default to ground invading Prospero? Ehhhhh nah, I'm a smash! The defenders of Terra need my help and even Jaghatai is sitting still long enough to actually help? Nah, my wolf priests say the demons from my home planet who pretend to be big angry pups think I should go 1v1 Horus on Dust! The Empire is falling apart and all my brothers are dropping like flies, either to enemies or vanishing in cool, heroic ways? Nah I think I'm just going to rip off Barbarosa and claim I'm going to come back before The Wolf Time (not Ragnarok because they already ripped the wolf from that off for the name of his planet) and till then ya'll can take care of things. (Which is DEFFO not already what Vulkan and the Lion already set themselves up to do, what Guilliman has actually done and what Jaghatai, Dorn and Corax are definitely going to end up doing already.) He's SO original! And after ALL of that, the thing people ACTUALLY LIKE about the Space Pups is that they are up their with the Salamanders and to a lesser degree the Ultra Marines, Scars and Raven Guard as being genuinely good dudes by 40k standards at least... BUT THAT ONLY HAPPENED CUS LOGAN GRIMNAR WAS COOL! Russ was just a huge pr*ck, Woof Lord Logan Grimbark was the one who made the Space Vikings actually kinda cool guys who actually focused on NOT screwing everything they touched up and then laughing about it. Basically... F*** Russ!
#hottake, Perterabo didn’t even do that much for the success of the heresy. His petty nature and immaturity led to him abandoning and screwing over the traitors. He has no redeeming qualities. Erebus is more fun to read about.
Sanguinius is every cringy edge lord character I made Tony Hawks Undgerground when I was 12. Perfect Angel Boy with a dark side. #hottake Side #hottake Lion El-johnson is the best primarch to represent the WH40K fan base. Loyal to a Fault with a sprinkling of Autism. Definitely a relatable primarch to me 😂
The only comment I have is Astartes can block the call of the GeneStealers even if infected. They wear Psychic hoods to block it completely so they can function at peak efficiency without distraction.
@Sara3346 the chapter who got corrupted killed all the GeneStealers and then died in the process. They couldn't resist forever but they did resist and rebel. They won and its not the only story like that.
I still wish the Genestealers were their own faction separate from the Tyranids. They could be a full mutant faction to stand apart from Xenos, Imperium, and Chaos.
The Lion is the most boring primarch, he has zero personality despite being raised by a great orator in Luther and is supposed to be an unrivaled military genius but somehow can’t foresee how killing a bunch of civilians in ultramar won’t stay a secret forever, and how banishing all those who displease him in his legion and relegating them to training all future dark angels is a brain dead idea that lead to him and his legion almost being wiped out
Fun fact. There is a Grey Knights called Blades of Purity. In this book, a Grey Knight gets corrupted by Genestealers. To my fellow GK enjoyers, have fun figuring that one out
Least favorite primarch is Mortarian Let’s start with baby Morty. Mortarian starts his journey climbing up a poison mountain and failing to kill his mortal dad on top where his god dad said “we don’t have time for this” and then just killed mortal dad. Kinda dick move from God dad but Morty just never lets this go like yeah it sucks but YOU failed to kill him. And then this man has the Gaul to say call me The Reaper, like Mortimer you don’t reap sh*t. With people like Corax you can call him edgelord or emo but like he’s the King of the emo’s he is the galaxy rave DJ and the RavenGuard are on the floor dancing with the beat, but Mortarian? Nah his legion all thought he was some weirdo and would rather listen to Smelly Typhus so my guy wasn’t a respectable Primarch nor a respected leader. Then when the Heresy comes does he put his foot down and make a choice? Not really he kinda goes with Horus but he doesn’t really want to be with Horus so just wants to be a problem for everyone (and not even in the fun way like a certain undead god) then comes when he turns into a demon primarch now the guy who was praised as a man who could always endure breaks and instead of at least dying on his own terms would rather lose his soul to stinky devil god, and then his excuse was basically “but it hurt really really bad :(“. When the Chads Kahn and Robot “supreme eldar smasher” Guilliman hear of this they both call him a loser and tell him to cope, Seeth, and cry about it. Well his character is shit but maybe he is a really good fighter, eh he’s only ok but he acts like he is top tier. He ran from Khan then the Khan beat him in his demon form (to give him an inch of credit he did put up a good fight) but while the Khan was absolutely roasting him the entire time. Then he fights Guillymaster 9000 and actually wins but then is literally told not to do one thing by his Stinky god multiple times but he still does it and revives the emperor like a dumbass he is. At least he looks cool though I’ll give him that.
#HotTake Magnus because he's all about that dust army and shards of himself or whatever. Look I worked as a janitor a vacuum and broom fixes both of those. Stupid Primarch of making a mess at work.
#hottake Day in the life of a true slaanesh geezer, wake up and meet the wife slaanesh. My little princess, lucius, isnt she beautiful. Gonna take the laer blade to football, rev up the Pride of the Emperor, yeee! Quick stop at a pleasure planet and load up that plate. Get a pint. Grand, pitch looking lovely today lads. Just a bit of banter with Rylanor. Lucius makes a 38 - 38 loss better. Pop down local pride, good ol' eldar pie look at that! Slaanesh made dinner, lovely. Pop down have a couple pints with the noise marines, and finish up in the gardens of Callax. In case it's not obvious, it's Fulgrim, that being said, I like all the primarchs so picking a least favorite is hard. Tho this is mostly bc I don't know a lot of his lore outside the super well known stuff and just the general slaanesh/emperors children stuff.
The Night Haunter: “If you’re forcing people into compliance, but not using outright torture, mass murder, and terror tactics then you are a hypocrite.” In arguably he’s the dumbest and most useless primarch who just spawned a bunch of edgy boy meme marines.
#HOTTAKE Konrad Curze is honestly the worst Primarch by far, a good chunk of which is Big E’s fault, but there’s plenty of stuff he had control over. Also, I could be wrong but I think he’s taken the most Ls as a Primarch.
#HotTake Mortarion is the only primarch who's the worst part of his legion. Alpharius would be there with him if their battle cry didn't go hard as fuck
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I fucking love Pancreas’ dedication to sliding in bits of Eldar lore. It is through his channel and this recurring trait that I’ve actually realized how little play the Eldar get in 40k, and how they’re actually really cool.
Yes.
Yeah. I hate knife-ears too.
Dead race
#hottake As much as I love the Iron Hands, Ferrus Manus' gene seed flaw is making sure both he and his sons are irrelevant in the story.
I’m not sure that constitute as a hot take. Most 40k fans would agree that the most Ferrus contribute to the story is being the proof of Fulgrim’s fall.
But imagine, a 3 arm, MADE OF IRON
#HotTake Perturabo, really upset me when he said "It's Iron Warrior-ing time" and Iron Warrior-ed all over the entire setting
Came back to find this comment after listening to Hal break down laughing as he tries to read it in a future episode. Gold 😂👍
#HotTake Fenris should have been bombarded from orbit and turned into a desert world. Maybe then Leman would have a culture worth exploring
#HotTake Leman russ is suppose to be an unstopable warrior but I feel like you could defeat him just by showing him the ending of Marly and Me
I had a dream Colin died in a motorcycle accident after saying just the word "bike" so I'm glad he got better from that
Tau fire cast warriors waking up to a ship full of purple 3 armed humanoids like: ''yoo new cast just dropped lets go praise be to the ethereals''
#HotTake The most interesting thing to ever leave Rogal Dorn's adopted home planet, Inwit, is ice.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!! THAT’S MY PRIMARCH YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT!!!
LETS GO ONE OF THE BEST 40K ARMIES
I'm slightly giddy to hear the Lore Criminals riffing on my gribbly, gribbly boys.
Just got my hands on the combat patrol box and codex, can someone who actually plays the army tell me how the cult icon is not over powered
@@pandamaster4653 Because you're going to lose way more than 6 models/3 models a turn.
@@pandamaster4653 Because the infantry it best applies to are made of papier mache.
#HotTake Magnus might just might have done something slightly wrong maybe once
#HotTake As much as I like Konrad's prophecy visions story arc, I despise how easily he thought his visions wouldn't changed and can't be changed. Because he didn't try to at all despite regular humans and even gods like Khaine trying to stop prophecies they disliked. I would've liked if there was a vision he wanted to prevent on his homeworld that he failed to stop, making him think the visions were set in stone. It would've made his speal more dramatic too since we'd have direct evidence of how the future visions he has couldn't be stopped from happening.
Well in his madness he actively refused to try, because he would have to accept that all his actions were of his own accord. Everything Konrad did he blamed on destiny and his alter ego Nighthaunter. He was actively trying to shift the blame to the point he would do more to make his visions happen than to prevent it. It wasnt that he didnt think he couldnt change it. It was him actively trying to avoid taking the blame for his folly.
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But then why bother with certain interactions like the ones with sanguinius where there were implications of his prophecies not needing his input to happen? From a writing perspective I mean. It'd be way more dramatic if they outright proven to just happen even if he fought against them. It gives Konrad more flare and gives other characters he talks to about this food for thought and things to think on. Makes blaming the prophecies for his missdoings more legitimacy
From a writing perspective having such a moment in his life where he failed to stop one of his prophecies but he failed and decided to throw away any hope of stopping such negative prophecies would be better for his character and the story. Also if it turns out he's alive after him letting an assassin kill him it gives WAY more things to think and speculate on.
@@petra4385 because its still foresight. His visions are not wrong. He just lies to himself and trys to convince sanguinius that its set in stone because the burden of him being able to change it is too horrifying for him to grasp. If things are going as the visions showed him, he takes it as vindication. Of its not going as he saw it he will make sure it will, because again breaking away from it he would have to come to terms that he could have broken away from his flaws any time he wanted, but he chose not to.
@@petra4385 in short Kurze is a horrible being and he knows it. His madness are his visions that drive him and later become a convenient shield from all blame from the horrors he has dished out.
@@petra4385 From a writing perspective it depends entirely on what kind of character you're depicting and what you're trying to get across. To me at least it seems like you're upset they aren't displaying Konrad as sane and stable in his motivations rather than the in reality insane and unstable man he is they were trying to get across. The whole point is that he's willfully ignorant of and in active denial of the fact he has no big legitimate reason for thinking what he thinks beyond being a coward and refusal to acknowledge he chose this. From a writing perspective giving him a big loud moment where he tries and fails to avert a big prophecy would ruin his entire characterization and honestly make him so so painfully run of the mill.
Legit reread anything Curze related you've read because I guarantee you've missed the whole point of his existence. He's not there to be reasonable, he's not there to be misguided, he's not there to give other characters food for thought ffs, he's not there to have legitimate reasons, he's delusional, he's deranged, he's narcissistic, he's insane. It feels like you're giving writing advice for a character that...isn't Konrad. Same energy as someone reading a psychological horror book and at the end somehow having the take away of "well that wasn't a very good romantic comedy at all"
Least favorite Primarch? Personally it depends on the Era. Back in the day when The HH hadn't fleshed him out, I found Corax to be just this bland non-character who only existed to fill up the roster. But over time he's really grown into his own and the twist of "oh yeah he's totally embraced his existence as a Greater Daemon of Big E to hunt down his traitor brothers." Is an amazing characterization. But as Corax Grew its really seemed like The Lion has had all his interesting bits and bobs ripped from him. From this mysterious middle ground Primarch who didn't enter the Heresy out of pragmatism, not caring about alliance or goals, just about who was going to win. And only siding with Big E when it was clear he was to be the victor. And it being hinted that The Fallen and Luther were actually loyalists that were threatening to reveal The Lion's duplicity. Luther's claims that The Lion would forgive him having so much gravity. But now? The Lion is just another loyalist who always wanted to help The Emperor but wasn't able to. He's just another Russ, or Guilliman. But without the ability to claim he actually did something like Russ can with injuring Horus. Or like Guilliman can by uniting the scattered legions unable to break through the warpstorm blockade that could have left them easy pickings by the traitor forces. The modern Lion has nothing that makes him unique, nothing to let him stand out. His entire character has been stripped away until this point where he's just the generic loyalist Primarch. Barren of the individuality and character that once made him arguably the only Primarch who's actions and motivation had nothing to do with personal views, allegiances, or ideology, no grander goal or drive. Just pure pragmatism.
There's also Ferrus Manus but that's to easy a target due to Black Library treating him more like a living plot point than a character.
"Living" are we talking about the same iron hands primarch.
@@justsomeguywithamustache.9096 Hey... We don't know if his Daemon form leading the Legion of The Damned is alive or not...
But the Lion did give us "Loyalty is its own reward." Which is pretty much the most based way to say "No, you whiny bitches suck" to joining the heretics. 🤣
@Probably the DM Oh its an Amazing line that beautifully fits the universe. But it also doesn't sound like The Lion would say it. It far more sounds like something Sanguinius would say. Hell it would fit perfectly if Sanguinius had been the one to say it when he faced off with Horus on The Vengeful Spirit.
@@thechazz3230He did punctuate that line by apologising for a cheapshot then running the Night Haunter through so it kind of makes sense for him. He is probably one of the most absolute of the primarchs in that he barely compromises on his viewpoint even for brothers he is allied with (he technically didn't bomb McCragge. Technically). We also can't give Sanguinius all the good lines although the Khan and Dorn have also had a few during the action of the siege. If we're being technical for for his contributions to the heresy he took one of the traitors strongest fighters out of the war (Corvus and Russ were hesitant to fight him, if he made it to the siege he could have killed Dorn or the Khan). Otherwise he forced Horus to commit to his fight by destroying all the traitor homeworlds to cut off avenues of retreat/the flow of reinforcements. He also used his magic engine to get Corswain into position to keep the astronomican lit so Gulliman can actually find Terra through the ruinstorm. Short of waiting in ambush at the Eye of Terror and finishing off Abaddon/traitor primarchs or spending less time messing with the Night Haunter (which is his entire schtick to be fair) I don't know what he could have done better during the Heresy before his return to Caliban. If we're listing least favourite primarchs I might have to raise Fulgrim on account of being worse than useless to the traitor cause post Istvan.
I genuinely think the outsider c'tan is why the nids are how they are, and I'll say why:
As we know, gods are really just abstract concepts with faces and names, with the c'tan being no exception. During the climax of the war in heaven, as the c'tan ate each other, the laughing god managed to make the outsider go mad and eat several more of his others in an insane frenzy after already doing so before to protect himself.
So, he goes out into a dyson sphere and from his own conceptual thought process that is corrupted by madness, the tyranids came to be: they wanted to consume, consume and consume until there was nothing left and constantly shift and change their own bodies, *just like their maker.*
#HotTake Leman is a cat person in denial
''person'' is generous
So how many Jeanstealer jokes will there be?
I’m surprised by how much I learned from this.
Things I learned that shocked me:
The Cult of old one eye in the Ultramar planets sounds really cool.
The scythes of the emperor being an infected chapter seems crazy.
Nurgle worshiping cult tenebrus sounds awesome and I really want to see chaos versions for every chaos god.
One of the best quotes from the bladed cogs story on their day of accession, "With mathematical precision, Thrensiom's electrophagic regime was overthrown, the Tech-priest himself slain by a Sanctus' biomutative bullet so the cult's nemesis could know the terrible glory of unbound flesh before he died."
#hottrake Leman Russ only worth while achievement was finding the leman russ tank. Leman Russ is one good argument away to become a tzeench demon primarch with his consulting with neverborn, runic fucking magic, and his legion of werewolves
"Tomius Cruisius" was not something I expected to hear today, and it made me burst out laughing as I did my coursework.
#HotTake Raven (Corvus Corrax) primarch of the Ravenguard got turned into a Raven demon, writes edgelord poetry like The Raven by Edgar Allen Poe
#HotTake I feel like we would have found Corvis by now if anyone bothered to check the back of the Hot Topic.
#HotTake I find both Ferrus and Fulgrim uninteresting. I feel like Ferrus only exists to die to Fulgrim, and Fulgrim only exists for the shock of a primarch, killing another primarch early in the heresy to establish how serious the heresy really is.
#HotTake
Alpharius spent way too much time on the 30k equivalent of 4chan (the cabal) and thought the funny internet voices were his actual friends.
Today I learned Blessed Wyrmlings literally own nothing, eat the bugs, AND live in the pod.
Really enjoyed this and the commitment to maintaining the ‘surprise’ of the angels until the end. Helped me get into the cultists head space.
#HotTake Fulgrim is the best looking of all the Primarchs, both in 30k and 40k
i second that
Genuinely can’t wait to watch this
Thanks for the context on the 40k Commander decks. The tyranid one has both tyranids and genestealers so this was interesting.
Love these podcasts!
#hottake
- Caiphas Cain is the worst primarch of the deathguard
- Trazyn is the best primarch of the silver skulls-legion 🤫
- I dislike Fulgrim and Emperors children even more after Amber King's "Lucius and Saul" video because the word perfection is repeated every 2 phrases 😅
- Fulgrim and the Emperors Children were one of the best loyalists in the heresy:
they gave a net benefit to the imperium by backstabbing traitors (e.g. Perturabo) and getting distracted by the most useless things (invading worlds for the best mirrors, not sieging the Emperors Palace but rather hunting Terra's population
- Leman: "storm seers" are just psychers with extra steps (Rick and Morty reference please ;) )
making Leman the biggest hypocrite and most unlikeable primarch.
- In essence, almost all primarchs are like the child kings in ancient times: getting all the power and having none of the knowledge/wisdom to lead. They are big babies, children that grew up too quickly while having no-one to look up to or educate them w, because they surpassed everyone- already.
#HotTake Fulgrim was always a petty little gooblet
Peenstealer cults, Yippee!
Canonically Genestealer cultists are hot as hell, and you cannot convince me otherwise.
Found Ian Watsons RUclips account
@@BR-bn1mz I CRAVE GENESTEALER ASS
So happy I found you guys, I had a ball listening to you all, discusing like (if you allow me) gentlemen. I'll keep watching your videos.
Kudos to all of you for your effort and work. I appreciate it.
Drifting combine harvesters over the false belivers.
#HotTake I do not respect Alpharius and Omegon because they are short.
#HotTake Iron Hand, Primarch of the Iron Hands who has Iron Hands should be the next primarch to make a comeback, exclusively so that Fulgrim can get some head again.
Tom Cruise is a genestealer magus confirmed!
Here I was wondering "When are they going to say Tyranid???", had me briefly thinking I was wrong about the faction lol. #hottake is that from all of the reading I've done, I have never really bought the Sanguinius hype. He seems just like a slightly emo Fulgrim and I don't see him as all that good
#HotTake Fulgrim was (and still is) the worst Primarch, even before he picked up the Laer Blade.
Also, you left out the best part: after the Tyranids consume all other sources of biomass on a planet, they order their own forces to jump into the harvesting pools, including the genestealers, to harvest their biomass. Right before they fall into the acid, the hivemind releases its control over them, allowing them for a split second to realize that they've betrayed the Emperor, humanity, and everyone they've ever known and loved before dying.
What a great episode.
I loved the half-hearted "Yay" at the mention of the lovecraftian influences. Reminds me of the MST3K "And the crowd goes wild!" "Yaaaaay." bit.
#HotTake
Lorgar was Right
Actually Lorgar was left... alone with a priest for too long when he was a kid
the longest one yet eh?
good job
#Hottake I like all the Primarchs, but the traitors are my favorites and way more compelling to me than the loyalists. But if I had to pick one, Guilliman, because I'm a silly contrarian and Ultramarines bad
My least favorite Primarch is Horus
How the Emperor didnt thought giving him the Warmaster title woudnt be a good Idea? His name is Horus Heresy after all
In the warhammer 60k big ass fan fiction the tyranids get extincted and it leaves the genestealers without a god for 10k years and they go full circle back to the imperium as “the realms of the fathers” they’re one of the good guys in the setting.
#HOTTAKE The Lion is one of, if not the most incompetent primark during and after the heresy. Consistently he lies for basically no reason other than to save face for his own selfish pride despite knowing it is tactically, morally and objectively the wrong thing to do in the moment. Perfect example, not only did he fall for Horus's plan and get tied up and distracted with the nightlords despite knowing he was being played. Not only did Konrad match him in combat, but the nightlords legion, despite being the TERROR legion against space marines who were much smaller than the dark angels. Still they managed to decimated the dark angels way more proportionally then themselves when the lion clearly knew better that he should have just cut his losses and headed back to Terra. When he finally captured Konrad and got him on his own flagship Konrad still managed to escape and evade him on his own ship. Then when he finally got to ultramar he lied to Guiliman and then proceeded to let Konrad escape on Guilimans home world and then lied about it again, when they could have got Konrad If you would have just told his brother and asked for assistance sweeping his ship with more manpower from the ultramarines. Then when Konrad is terrorizing Guilimans homeworld the lion has the audacity to demand nuking heavily populated areas to kill Konrad Knowing it probably won't work and would just lead to more death and suffering and would play into Konrad's plan and still gets mad and rage quits when his other two brothers thinks that's a dumb idea when it was his fault to begin with. Next he orbiterly bombards Guilimans homeworld and then lies to his face because he refuses to admit he was wrong but instead doubles down again. Then when Guiliman finds out and is rightfully angry the lion has the audacity to rage quit again like a petulant child when this entire ordeal was his fault to begin with. And finally when he fought Luther and LOST, mind you Luther is not an Astartes, HES A MORTAL when the Lions entire stick is supposed to be the bestest at fighting people! He then proceeds to cry himself to sleep for literally over 10,000 years when the rest of his loyalist brothers either disappeared for more legitimate reasons or just straight up died like Vulcan or Guiliman! I'll give The Lion simps one thing. Yeah the Lion has some cool moments but they're entirely eclipsed by his consistent stupidity and incompetent decisions not to mention he's entire personality is literally just "pompous douchebag" who swings sword good, something that all the primarks are good at the lion is not particularly special at anything!
Leman Russ. The Biggest Hypocrite in 40k which is saying a lot. Also one of the most confusing to talk about since the tank named after him is more well known then he is. It would also probably make a better Primarch. #HotTake
I forgot that making edits to a comment removes its pinned status. I just wanted to correct my spelling :(
#hottake Corvus Corax is the only primarch I forget exists. But the fact that he didn’t like the Luna Wolves and Horus just makes him seem like GW needed him to be ‘different’ and edgy. Oh and he’s the primarch of my least favourite legion.
To be totally fair, that's exactly what the RG and Corax are aiming for.
Lion El Johnson, this dude ain't coming back.
THIS IS MY ARMY LETS GOOOOOOOOOO.
#HotTake Least favorite Primarch... I mean its hard, cus all of them have something compelling about them! Even Konrad has a sense of tragedy, Lorgar is sympathetic and Ferrus I just kinda feel bad for the Iron Hands fans for... IS WHAT I WOULD BE SAYING IF RUSS DIDN'T EXIST! Every Primarch has some layer of complexity and depth to them, but not our wolf boy, lord of the space wolf wolf pack from mythical wolf planet! Dude's a one note joke about vikings combined with some Black Library writers secret wolf fursona notes and saddled with the important task of always making the WORST decision in every situation he was faced with!
Meeting the Emperor? I'm gonna punch him!
Meeting the Lion? I'm gonna punch him, then laugh at him instead of explaining that I didn't hate him!
Getting ordered to possibly wipe out the two lost chapters for Malcador? Sounds good!
Getting told my Horus that I should murder Magnus and the Thousand Sons even though Big E just told me to arrested him and they clearly are not firing at us so maybe we SHOULDN'T just default to ground invading Prospero? Ehhhhh nah, I'm a smash!
The defenders of Terra need my help and even Jaghatai is sitting still long enough to actually help? Nah, my wolf priests say the demons from my home planet who pretend to be big angry pups think I should go 1v1 Horus on Dust!
The Empire is falling apart and all my brothers are dropping like flies, either to enemies or vanishing in cool, heroic ways? Nah I think I'm just going to rip off Barbarosa and claim I'm going to come back before The Wolf Time (not Ragnarok because they already ripped the wolf from that off for the name of his planet) and till then ya'll can take care of things. (Which is DEFFO not already what Vulkan and the Lion already set themselves up to do, what Guilliman has actually done and what Jaghatai, Dorn and Corax are definitely going to end up doing already.) He's SO original!
And after ALL of that, the thing people ACTUALLY LIKE about the Space Pups is that they are up their with the Salamanders and to a lesser degree the Ultra Marines, Scars and Raven Guard as being genuinely good dudes by 40k standards at least... BUT THAT ONLY HAPPENED CUS LOGAN GRIMNAR WAS COOL! Russ was just a huge pr*ck, Woof Lord Logan Grimbark was the one who made the Space Vikings actually kinda cool guys who actually focused on NOT screwing everything they touched up and then laughing about it.
Basically... F*** Russ!
I've come across two good Lovecraft Walking Simulators. Check out The Shore and DAGON. Also Amnesia The Dark Decent counts if Darkest Dungeon does.
#hottake, Perterabo didn’t even do that much for the success of the heresy. His petty nature and immaturity led to him abandoning and screwing over the traitors. He has no redeeming qualities. Erebus is more fun to read about.
Colin never talked about how the Leagues of Votann wouldn't be infected by them
I just love how well he sells the idea to join the genestealers xD
15:23 I’m surprised there was no immediate prime-ussy joke
Genestealer cults are probably my third favorite faction behind Tau and Admech
2 blesses hours await!!!
#hottake Lion El Johnson really only has one thing going for him. His paranoia?
Sanguinius is every cringy edge lord character I made Tony Hawks Undgerground when I was 12. Perfect Angel Boy with a dark side. #hottake
Side #hottake Lion El-johnson is the best primarch to represent the WH40K fan base. Loyal to a Fault with a sprinkling of Autism. Definitely a relatable primarch to me 😂
I would love to see a Tyranid video
The only comment I have is Astartes can block the call of the GeneStealers even if infected. They wear Psychic hoods to block it completely so they can function at peak efficiency without distraction.
Can. Not always will be able, only Marine Librarians wear those hoods as part of their regular wargear though.
@Sara3346 the chapter who got corrupted killed all the GeneStealers and then died in the process. They couldn't resist forever but they did resist and rebel. They won and its not the only story like that.
I still wish the Genestealers were their own faction separate from the Tyranids. They could be a full mutant faction to stand apart from Xenos, Imperium, and Chaos.
@1:51:28 Lorecrimes transitions to ACTUAL Hersey
The Lion is the most boring primarch, he has zero personality despite being raised by a great orator in Luther and is supposed to be an unrivaled military genius but somehow can’t foresee how killing a bunch of civilians in ultramar won’t stay a secret forever, and how banishing all those who displease him in his legion and relegating them to training all future dark angels is a brain dead idea that lead to him and his legion almost being wiped out
Lorgar is the Hero of the story.
#HotTake The missing primarchs were female. Great vid!
Just like the missing Warhammer players. When will those girls I invited get here?
Shout out space hulk.
I think I found a new podcast.
Where is the picture at 36:56 from? It remaind me of Horrible Histories artstyle (one of them)
Hal missed the chance to compare the Primacii infiltrators to mark zuckerberg
Is it to late to turn in are essays about primachs we hate?
Wait you mean a Jeans Dealer? Like off label Levi's?
#HotTake Leman Russ howls at the moon and thinks that Magnus is the wierdo.
#hottake how do I give a hot take on ferrus? He certainly does have lore.
#hottake Lorgar just wanted an excuse to a jerk.
#hottake
Having “Lion El Johnson” translate into “Lion of the Forest” is the dumbest thing GW has ever made
Actually in calibanese lion means of the forest and El Johnson is a reference to Lyon, the city in france xD
Fun fact. There is a Grey Knights called Blades of Purity. In this book, a Grey Knight gets corrupted by Genestealers. To my fellow GK enjoyers, have fun figuring that one out
#hottake Lorgar's power is weaponized simping
#HotTake Alpharius is 100% still alive. I refuse to elaborate
Least favorite primarch is Mortarian
Let’s start with baby Morty. Mortarian starts his journey climbing up a poison mountain and failing to kill his mortal dad on top where his god dad said “we don’t have time for this” and then just killed mortal dad. Kinda dick move from God dad but Morty just never lets this go like yeah it sucks but YOU failed to kill him. And then this man has the Gaul to say call me The Reaper, like Mortimer you don’t reap sh*t. With people like Corax you can call him edgelord or emo but like he’s the King of the emo’s he is the galaxy rave DJ and the RavenGuard are on the floor dancing with the beat, but Mortarian? Nah his legion all thought he was some weirdo and would rather listen to Smelly Typhus so my guy wasn’t a respectable Primarch nor a respected leader. Then when the Heresy comes does he put his foot down and make a choice? Not really he kinda goes with Horus but he doesn’t really want to be with Horus so just wants to be a problem for everyone (and not even in the fun way like a certain undead god) then comes when he turns into a demon primarch now the guy who was praised as a man who could always endure breaks and instead of at least dying on his own terms would rather lose his soul to stinky devil god, and then his excuse was basically “but it hurt really really bad :(“. When the Chads Kahn and Robot “supreme eldar smasher” Guilliman hear of this they both call him a loser and tell him to cope, Seeth, and cry about it. Well his character is shit but maybe he is a really good fighter, eh he’s only ok but he acts like he is top tier. He ran from Khan then the Khan beat him in his demon form (to give him an inch of credit he did put up a good fight) but while the Khan was absolutely roasting him the entire time. Then he fights Guillymaster 9000 and actually wins but then is literally told not to do one thing by his Stinky god multiple times but he still does it and revives the emperor like a dumbass he is. At least he looks cool though I’ll give him that.
so this is why nobody wears jeans in 40k
#HotTake Magnus because he's all about that dust army and shards of himself or whatever. Look I worked as a janitor a vacuum and broom fixes both of those. Stupid Primarch of making a mess at work.
Genestealers are scary.
#hottake Corvus Corax because he’s been blue balling us for 10,000 years
#HotTake The Khan is secretly the best looking Primarch.
hot take
karl franz could take out all the primarch that less fav they all are
#Hottakes.
Magnus done goofed up but Russ is still a Douche
#hottake
Day in the life of a true slaanesh geezer, wake up and meet the wife slaanesh. My little princess, lucius, isnt she beautiful. Gonna take the laer blade to football, rev up the Pride of the Emperor, yeee! Quick stop at a pleasure planet and load up that plate. Get a pint. Grand, pitch looking lovely today lads. Just a bit of banter with Rylanor. Lucius makes a 38 - 38 loss better. Pop down local pride, good ol' eldar pie look at that! Slaanesh made dinner, lovely. Pop down have a couple pints with the noise marines, and finish up in the gardens of Callax.
In case it's not obvious, it's Fulgrim, that being said, I like all the primarchs so picking a least favorite is hard. Tho this is mostly bc I don't know a lot of his lore outside the super well known stuff and just the general slaanesh/emperors children stuff.
The Night Haunter: “If you’re forcing people into compliance, but not using outright torture, mass murder, and terror tactics then you are a hypocrite.”
In arguably he’s the dumbest and most useless primarch who just spawned a bunch of edgy boy meme marines.
#HOTTAKE Konrad Curze is honestly the worst Primarch by far, a good chunk of which is Big E’s fault, but there’s plenty of stuff he had control over. Also, I could be wrong but I think he’s taken the most Ls as a Primarch.
Genestealer mahmmy gewd
#hottake There is not enough 40k porn
The more the better especially it’ll boast the more people getting into the hobby and love of the game or lore
If genestealers really want to have babies, and orks reproduce by fighting, would that just make them want to fight more?
#hottake fulgrims primarch ability is to be the biggest simp in the universe he simped after the emporer and now simps after slaanesh
#HotTake
Mortarion is the only primarch who's the worst part of his legion. Alpharius would be there with him if their battle cry didn't go hard as fuck
Father Dagon mother Hydra
Loyalist mommy Genestealer