Something funny about Gravity Falls is that Alex Hirsch did a fake leak where he stood in a production room where there was a TV in the background that had McGucket writing the journals to throw off people who knew Stan had a secret brother who wrote actually wrote the journals.
The fact that M.X.E.S is stylistically linked to a movie from 1983 specifically feels meaningful to me. 1983 is a year in FNAF lore where nearly everything important happens, in regards to the Afton era of the timeline. Linking the M.X.E.S machine to this period feels like the devs pointing to that era and telling us to look for connections.
During that era the government would use X to stand for experimental such as the MX missile, so- Mimic eXperimental Enclosure System? Alternatively, Mario came out in 1985 so- Mario’s Xylophone Evening Serenade?
@@adammartinez8061 it could be either one, they’re both engineers after all. My personal belief is that William made the console, since the bunker it’s stored in is theorized to be connected to the Sister Location bunker, not to mention it contains a proto-scooper. I doubt the console would be easy to move, given it size and the processing power needed to keep that thing running, so it’s likely that the console and location come in a package, maybe even alongside the mimic itself.
@Lustfullynova like the n word it was used to like take control of people with dark skin color then now the people with dark skin color use it as like as a sign of freedom. (Don't put a 💀 to my comment please)
@@professionalDucklover ya' know this comparison didn't even come to mind, I get what you're saying though but you could've definitely used a better analogy 😭
I think the implication that the "healer" has been corrupted, and the rampant placement of Nightmarrione (a nightmare version of the old "healer") is interesting.
I find it VERY interesting that Jason describes Cassie in almost the EXACT same way that charlie is characterized in every single version of the fnaf timeline, caring, going out of her way to help others, and most of all actually caring for the animatronics, it feels very similar to how henry described his daugher in fnaf 6. Makes me think of the Dual sisters theory you covered recently. Im really interested to see what steel wool is trying to say
I can't help but believe that when they talk about references in the game, the Brazil ending could also be pretty relevant for the same reason, as some fans think it might be connected to that old dystopian movie.
I think them saying “the end of glitch trap” is less of saying “he died here in the game time line” and more of saying “this is the last time we are going to see glitch trap in the games”
You know, the way Gregory and Cassie are supposed to be sort of rivals really reminds me of Micheal - Charlie dynamic where one is supposedly helping the murderer and the other one is helping the murdered. Or in that case it would be rather a William - Charlie, since Gregory is really straight up murdering the animatronics, while Cassie tries to help them.
It's because they created Monty specifically for Security breach and Ruin but they then just had us destroy him with no hope for redemption. Monty was Death fodder and they expected us as Cassie to be okay with that
Its probably more to do with her hating him, Cassie blames Monty for the disappearnce of Glamrock Bonnie since that is meant to be part of the "official story" created by Fazbear Entertainment, with Bonnie being her dad's favourite its understandable why. We even hear response to the appearance of the different animatronics, Freddy, Chica and Roxy she was concerned about but Monty got stuck with the label "that Monty thing".
ikr, with freddy while his body may be too far gone, at least his head and general consciousness is with gregory (as long as that ending happens) but for monty? he's just destroyed, almost no hope for redemption or healing from what the virus did to him
Personally, I think one of their intentional red herrings is the PQ3 hints. Call it copium, but I REALLY think they’re trying to build up to us as the audience trusting Vanessa, only for her to turn Vanny on us. That seemed to be a plan in the original Security Breach considering the deleted lines, and if Vanny was supposed to be our guide in HW2 before leaving us to die, that might have been a plan for that as well. A lot of stuff points to PQ3 being canon, but like… if they were so set on making it obviously canon (headless Freddy, crushed machine) then why blur out Gregory’s friend’s pronouns? If they were trying to make it obvious, why not just let him say “her”? I don’t think his friend is Vanessa. I think they want us to think it is so that we can get a plot twist in an upcoming game, and thus be able to utilize Vanny more than they had in SB.
What is confusing about vannessa and vanny is that every time everything cool about her is cut content. And then the movie does that. It seems like they are hiding the truth as cut content. Witch is very scott. But going down that paranoia Hole is bad theory practice.
Probably because Matpat isn’t doing theory videos anymore, plus I think Matpat has his hands on FNAF more now that he isn’t and knows too much now. (ie his goodbye video ending with Scott)
@@Imtrying_girl That was purely for cinematic purposes, I think. I do not believe he was told much lore, if at all. After all, he and Scott agreed to not talk about lore or anything when they met during the filming of the FNaF Movie.
The idea of Vanny being an entity that was creators when Vanessa was under Glitchtraps control is pretty smart. Not only would we be able to see Vanny again, but we would see her in a new form. I’m excited to see where FNAF will go next, and I have faith in Steel Wool. 🙏😀👍
What if cassie's dad was the guy who cut off his own face in help wanted 1, he had gitch in his head at the time maybe Vanessa put him into a VR world so he could live on as the staff bunny bot and get him to help kill gitch? (This maybe true but i don't remember the guys name from help wanted 1.)
I've seen other's suggest that as well. My issue with it is why would a technician would be using the mask. It was probably an employee that developed the mask or that tested it.
@@diablosbros14 a tech can be considered as an employee at time, hell he may have been the one who designed the mask? That's random but hey ot is fnaf lmfao. I forgot what helppy said after Cassie put on the mask? Didn't it say something about fazz employees?
@@kiracomments-chca2747 it would make sense if it was but then there is the Bonne masked kid cassie's dad is theorized to be. Unless they are they are all the same person, which would be crazy and knowing the way fnaf is would make sense too.
@@haseo2dingo: All I'm saying is that the guy's name is also Jeremy. Not that it's the same as the other many Jeremys'. I do think the bonnie bully and face ripped guy are the same person, but we will see with time who each Jeremy is when the next two games come out.
@@xmattar I don't really like this statement, like it's a very common thing to say and I'm not holding anything against you spefifically but nobody knows what anyone else is doing, and like, maybe someone just found out about the show from this video and now knows one of the big reveals when they otherwise wouldn't have wanted to know. Maybe someone has been wanting to watch the show since it came out but couldn't find the time to do it or didn't have the disney channel on their tv and as the years go on they have gravity falls in the back of their mind as something they want to watch but can never find the time for it.
I now realised something. Mimic 1 was always in the VANNI mask, while Glitchtrap was in the VR world. When Gregory played PQ 3, he freed Vanessa from the Glitchtrap, but not the Mimic. They merged together because of that mask. And when Gregory played PQ 3, that part of Glitchtrap that was connected to the Mimic was gone, and so, like from Vanny's cut dialogue, only a small bit of His code was left. And so to completely defeat Glitchtrap, they used the same mask that has Mimic 1 program to kill Glitchtrap completely. Which means that GLITCHTRAP WAS WILLIAM AFTON ALL ALONG AND MIMIC KILLED HIM. THIS IS FAZBEAR FRIGHTS EPILOGUES ALL OVER AGAIN.
And i guess that the reason Gregory and Vanessa returned to the Pizzaplex is because of her connection to Mimic1 program. That's why the security nodes in Ruin are rabbits. I guess same could apply to MXES.
It could be that both endings for HP 2 are the “real” endings. With the mask bot ending be where Casey’s dad’s soul ends up and the Vanny ending is where his consciousness is trapped; in the same vain of Afton in UCN with his soul trapped in the suit and his consciousness in UCN.
I personally think that BOTH endings happend and that maybe Vanny crushed Glitchtrap BUT ONLY the digital form the phyisical form which is Burntrap might still live since we never know if tangel killed him or if he got possesed or if Burntrap escaped. Idk maybe I just dont want Glitchtrap to be dead/ to die this way it kinda feels underwhelming if that makes sense what do you think Btw Gravity Falls is THE GOAT THE G O A T when it comes to cartoony animated shows. Imagine if Alex Hirsch and Scott made sth. Which is or isnt fnaf related. They would have a field day with hiding stuff and telling secrets and all that
What if Vanny is the personified avatar aspect of MXES? If she's free of Evil influence would she really want to take over the body of a human? Or would she take advantage of being a digital entity and inhabit the security system to stand guard over the Mimic?
Thing is, I feel like both endings in HW2 are canon. I mean, why bother mentioning that Glitchtrap is dead? Like you said, no matter what Cassie will retrieve the mask. No matter what, Cassie's dad dooms his daughter. Besides, when we put on the AR mask in Ruin, we see a human brain and veins in mask bot, meaning that yes, Cassie's dad was torn apart and literally stuffed into mask bot. I think that the arcade machine ending is also symbolically showing that Cassie's dad is trapped. He can't do anything. He's forced to helplessly watch as his daughter gets corrupted by the same thing he was slowly manipulated by. And about your "Vanny is still alive despite being separate from Vanessa" thing, I feel like I've got more evidence to back that up. Thing is in Ruin, when we get the Brazil ending, we see Vanessa and Gregory. But not with Freddy, with Helpi. That means it's most likely that Vanessa and Gregory also had chips in their brains, and even if they were freed, some of their data was still left behind when they were controlled. That's why we see Vanny. While Vanessa might have killed Glitchtrap and freed herself, Vanny is still very much alive. I also think that this ending should symbolize Vanessa's freedom. I mean, after Glitchtrap gets crushed, Vanny disappears into the void. She's not a threat, for now. It's possible that either the Mimic will control Cassie, Vanny will control Cassie, or whatever it is that controls Cassie will make her and whatever is controlling her our new antagonists. And it might be carnival-themed like you said in a previous theory.
Sorry, Toast, but you got the ending of B-7 2 wrong. Billy’s grandmother assimilates B-7 into her body, announces that she’s been terminally sick for a while, then dies and somehow that kills B-7. There’s nothing about falling down stairs.
i'm honest not even mad about a less favourable interpretation of 'youtuber bait' to some extent like the whole fandom and game's legacy exists so much because of the youtube lets plays, i mean markiplier and game theory are why i watch fnaf theories despite never playing the games
I think what was meant by "RUclipsr Bait" and stuff like that was things like that cart falling down the stairs at the beginning, or the elevator falling at the beginning of the game, or that Chica jumpscare at the beginning that didn't actually harm the player! :D (Recommenting this because someone else made an undesirable reply.)
9:33 what if we couldn’t see the prototype on the foot cause we needed to put on a Vanny mask? Or have interacted with the mask and once infected we were able to see it? Questionsssssss
Things I think. 1. I personally don’t think glitchtrap is fully dead, I’m more under the belief that perhaps most of his code was destroyed and it’s caused him to be severely weakened to the point where he won’t be able to take on as much of a active role, but we’ll most likely get Vanny/VANNI to take on the role of the next main antagonist in the game she appears in now in Cassie’s mind. 2. I think chica may be rescued by a child of her own like how Freddy has Gregory and Roxanne had Cassie, perhaps, maybe Amelia from the tales story ggy. 3. If glitchtrap is dead perhaps the next villain will be another variant of the mimic, perhaps even Tiger-Rock from the books. 4. If the tales books are canon to the games we may have to explore other pizzaplex’s. 5. If Vanny/VANNI really was able to be separated from Vanessa I think the same will happen to Cassie, but instead of trying to find a new host body she’s gonna build herself a animatronic body. 6. I’m under the belief that Cassie’s dad is gonna return from being put inside the mask-bot, perhaps he’ll find a way to travel through the pizzaplex network and transfer his mind into a new body or get his own body back.
I've been pretty big on the Chica idea since the first Ruin poster. I mixed up Amelia's named thinking someone said Abigail, which led me down a big spiral of comparing Chicas and Babys. Of the Ruin we got, one sort of thing I wanna change would be if you didn't shatter Monty or Chica in base, they'd have a different model in the DLC, or potentially act differently if Gregory didn't hurt them.
I mean he does drop the elevator with a friend who obviously cared enough for him to go into this creepy ass place and try to save him. Lil bro is definitely sus..and how he lied to freddy about the upgrades we get from everyone else..yeah. He definitely lacks certain empathy not only for animatronics but for human’s as well
Something that interests me is how much Glitchtrap's death mirrors how tape-girl said to kill him in Help Wanted. What she tells us is that Glitchtrap wants to escape through someone plugged in the game via a VR headset, and that only when he does that can he be destroyed. The only way to connect to Princess Quest 4 is while wearing the Vanny mask, at which point the player finds themselves in the game world, a virtual reality rather than the augmented reality of the game's main hub. And while exploring that game world, we find ourselves in a claw machine, where we give the Glitchtrap plushie to Moon, who drops it in the chute so Vanny can pull Glitchtrap out of the machine. While it's not as literal as escaping through our body, our being plugged into the game allows Glitchtrap to escape, only for Vanny- the person who heard tape-girl's instructions- to crush him.
I have been saying this ever since HW2 came out. Cassie's dad, Gregory and Vanessa have to be working togather during HW2. The Vanny ending is probably just a metaphor of what happened, not how it happened. Cassie's dad sacrifices his body for Glitchtrap to take it over completely (After all he is the perfect vessel as a fan of Bonnie, being a dad and being a fazbear technician) Cassie's dad is left behind in the system of the Pizzaplex with Glitchtrap completly gone from it now. (Ending 1) Vannessa who pretends to be Vanny kills Glitchtrap in Cassie's dad's body, probably with the help of Gregory, after Cassie's dad makes the ultimate sacrifice. (Ending 2) This makes both endings work, while killing Glitchtrap and making the new Helpi mimic, the driving force inside of the Pizzaplex system.
4:40 this has really made me feel stronger about the graves in hw2 being death order. Obviously gravestones are closely associated with death, plus with the death order being something that is often in the forefront of discussion in the fanbase, I think it's likely they would have deemed it misleading if it was not meant to represent that. I know a lot of people think it is the order of spirits resting, but with previously using the unlit animatronic heads to show the absence of spirits, I find it very unlikely they would swap to using lit torches to represent spirits leaving. It just unnecessarily further complicates the symbolism.
I always really liked the idea of Cassie becoming the next Vanny. In my head, and this is pure speculation, I always felt like she would take upon the persona of Vanny and, instead of being a murderer for murders sake, she'd become more like the puppet was to the kid's souls to the animatronics. She'd be this shepherd to the lost and the broken no matter what or who gets in her way. She'd still be antagonistic to characters like Gregory and Vanessa, the same way that the puppet was antagonistic to Mike even though they were both trying to do good. And even going with this theory, I think this could still work. Like, maybe they could butt heads at first but, Cassie being the healer and the shepherd who wants to help, they could come to some kind of agreement and have a healthier version of what vanny and Vanessa had. And, if we're still going by the "new characters playing similar roles as old ones" idea, I always felt like Cassie was meant to be the new Charlie. Plus her name is kind of a mix of Charlie and Cassidy, so that could lead somewhere. Kind of a stretch, I know. Like I said, this is pure speculation, but I think it's pretty cool.
During the interview JTop said that any location that has appeared in the series they could revisit his example being getting to see inside the Fnaf 1 bathrooms
My interpretation is that Glitchtrap (the digital entity) is gone but Vanny (Glitchtrap fused into a woman's mind) stlll exists. And Cassie's mind,as Glitchtrap seems to be talking to her before she gets the Vanny mask ("Monty is dangerous, stay away from him","I'm lonely","Happy birthday,Cassie","warmer","boiling"). Of course,this is built on Vanny and Vanessa being different people because they physically can't be the same person,how did she get in the Vanny costume that fast?
The MXES thing had me wondering so hard on what they’re trying to say… Like what does that mean? There’s no way he could have been created in the 80s, they were just starting out.. MXES is such a mysterious character. I have ideas on who I think he is but oh boy that side of thr fandom would get very mad at me lol
FNAF has always given the Fazbear company technology that's way too advanced for the time period. A good example is Fetch from the Fazbear Frights books, which came out years and years ago. This is just a plot point of the franchise and has been for a long time.
The MXES machine has to just be an old super computer used for development of the mimic program and other stuff, and the hardware has just been repurposed to run the security system for the pizzaplex because otherwise it quite literally makes zero sense why presumably William or Henry would make it. I personally just think the timeline is a lost cause at this point, nothing seems to matter, and you can toss in anything anywhere because this franchise follows as much logic as installing a screen door on a submarine.
There's an issue in my mind where the age of the Bonnie Bully comes up. Let's say that you're right; they are one and the same. Let's also say he was around 10-15 yrs old when the Bite of '83 happened. If we accept the information that SB occurs in 2035, at youngest he'd be near 62. At oldest, he'd be pushing 70. That's retirement age or reasonably close to it. A bit old either way to be raising a child. I think it's more likely that Cassie is a grandchild rather than daughter. We've already seen some loose evidence that the game series is generationally impacting. This wouldn't be that much of a stretch.
I’m not sure about though, we have people in real life that are around 60-70 years old and still have children. I mean heck Scott himself is still having children and he’s around his 60's or 70's.
The thing I love most about this channel (besides the info/lore exploration) is how comfortable the cats are with you! 💕 Extreme green flag! The orange and white one looks just like my Eddie! Subbed for the FNAF content, staying for the cats too, lololollll
22:07 But he could also have meant with Glitchtrap being dead that William Afton is now back. To be clear I belive in the Death of the Virus itself but not the Consciousness of William Afton, which found a new host with Cassys Dad. So that would also mean that he is now a full human being again and not just a program
What if the Freddy with the "prototype" stamp on it is actually a prototype design and they just forgot to remove the stamp and said "Oh well. They know now..."
Glitchtrap might be gone, but some version of William Afton will probably still be around. Also, I thought Jeremy Fitzgerald was the victim of the Bite of '87.
J-Top literally confirmed in this interview that Princess Quest 4 happened cause "We beat Princess Quest... But there is more.", meaning we beat Princess Quest III, which means the Princess Quest ending is the canon ending.
i kinda wanna cry at the carrot cake teaser, the thought of seeing cassie again... makes me emotional, foor some reason- maybe, just maybe- she will get to see gregory again? i kinda wanna see her as a villain tho' for some reason, to me makes the most sense from what happpened to her in the ending of ruin... idk idk
I mentioned it during the livestream, but I think Security Breach's hints that both PQ and Burntrap endings are canon mean they both happened in some way and, similarly, I think both endings of HW2 happened, just with a time gap in between. I think the HW2 ending where you listen to Helpi, collect the transformers, Cassie's dad is killed and uploaded into Maskbot, and we see Burntrap's pod open happened before Security Breach took place. That was Glitchtrap's big attempt to escape by downloading himself into Burntrap but Gregory and the Tangle foiled him. Because a bit of him was still attached to Cassie's dad he wasn't fully destroyed and he was stuck as Helpi in the Pizzaplex's systems again. It makes sense then why we see the Pizzaplex first in pristine condition and then later in ruins. Cue Ruin and the digital version of Cassie's dad we saw in Maskbot is under Helpi's control but as Helpi turns its attention to Cassie it gives her dad room to download himself into PQ4 to try and sever Helpi's (Glitchtrap's last remaining piece still alive) hold on him. So the Helpi that manipulated Cassie WAS still Glitchtrap but at some point after Cassie is betrayed and stranded in the basement Vanny finds that digital version of Cassie's dad still in the system, destroys that last piece of Glitchtrap, and leaves the digital Cassie's dad behind in the Pizzaplex's computer system.
I think that M.X.E.S. is what the mimic line from the books was controled by with the acronym being: Mimic eXternal Endoskeleton System security. as gregoy calls it the M.X.E.S. security so thats what i think
If Gregory is good now, he's likely no longer killing Vanessa's therapists, which would mean that she's able to get regular treatment, which may cause Vanny and Vanessa to reconcile in a way that breaks Vanny free from Glitchtrap's control.
This is a far stretch, but if the mimic is supposed to be a Ai that is copying William afton. What if gergory , Cassie and Cassies father, are supposed to be some parallel for Micheal, Charli, and Henry. I mean, it's a very far stretch for Micheal and gergory. But Cassie and her father. That's different they are both trying to fix something that is broken by gergory and/or the mimic. It honestly might be dumb but for me, it seems possible, I mean, we have parallel in the books. So maybe security breach is set in a different world with a different story but the same story told again with stuff to fill in the blanks of the regular time line. I mean if the books, and movie are set in a different universe why wouldn't some of the games?
9:41 - just noticing here that the lightning bolts on each freddy ‘ s chest arent the same ! Or at least that what it looks like ( don’t attack me if in wrong please ! )
Maybe they mean that glitch trap is the digital entity and now glitch trap exists as a different being? Either in the mimic or something we have yet to see?
Not me watching these at work and wishing I was home with my cat the whole time. (P.S. I wish my cat would let me hold her like a baby like that. So freaking cute!)
2:24 I was very supportive of pride. I actually had 2 friends who transitioned back in Highschool. Some of my best friends. 2 years later one of them ended themselves because they wanted to de-transition and was called transphobic for it by other members of pride. The other friend told me all about it after he passed. The ONLY problem I have is that transitioning doesn't work for everyone, and that there are people in lgbt that dont care really. You apparently only mattered if you agreed with them. I really miss him. I didn't know I would be called out for that tho, and I came to this channel because i liked your theories, cats, and i played your videos while i slept cause you have a calming voice to me. Been watching for over a year. Now all i will remember is this timestamp directed at me. 2:24
If you are supportive of Pride (which celebrates and fights for stuff like same sex marriage, people being able to express themselves how they are without fear of losing basic human rights, trans rights, and much more) then he isn't talking to you. If you are saying you are no longer supportive of Pride, then the message stands. I'm sorry for your loss, but I don't really understand what your friend's tragic story has to do with Rye's reasoning.
16:00 I could see an argument that Vanny turning away is just Vanessa leaving the digital space to return to the real world. She was able to meet with Cassie's dad through the digital space, but we don't know how far apart in the real world you can be and still communicate in the digital space. She may have been leaving so she could help him if she knew/recognized that he couldn't leave on his own. Or she may not have known he was trapped now. If she could leave on her own, or had Gregory/someone else there to pull her out, Vanessa may have wrongly believed that Cassie's dad was also capable of leaving or waiting for a (non-existent) partner to pull him out.
Vanny doesnt seem to line up with the helpie AI. It seems much more likely that helpie is the mimic, who is baby. This explanation also doesnt explain moon. To explain that, if we think vanny is a parallel for vanessa, and moon is a parallel for Gregory. Then them "crushing" glitchtrap could be them putting it into the original mimic endo and trapping it there with MXES. However that would all have to happen before ruin, which is plausible, hut makes the Jeremy maskbot hard to explain. However if we think Vanny is Babies new persona, it wouldnt be the first time she expelled controlling personalities to be free?
Watching this vid is making me crazy cus like, okay i love ya vids been literally binging ya vids my whole week.. but the idea of just one ending being able to be canon is making me CRAZY, like i am not a lore expert but as someone who has played a lot of games, it makes sense that the help wanted 2 endings shows HOW did Cassie's dad got killed and ended up inside, the technology (?)/training simulation thats HW2 and he being used by Glitchtrap to give his own daughter the vanny mask. the other ending is showing us him being guided by Vanessa using the Vanny person to interact with the technologically world that Glitchtrap and Cassie's dad reside inside. Explodes sorry i just woke up.
Quick aside about calling Cassie's dad Jeremy: I was under the impression that Jeremy was supposed to be the bite of '87 victim (or maybe Mike again). Can anyone give me a shorthand version of why Rye reckon's Jeremy is Cassie's dad, or point me in the direction of which video to watch?
Honestly, at this point my headcanon is that security breach and ruin both follow the deux ex/invisible war format for endings. Which ending is canon? Yes. Yes to all.
Wouldn't being a prototype also be a way to explain Freddy 'glitching out' at the start of the game and letting Gregory use him in the first place? Always though that was how they explained that but don't see it come up often. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places lol
I'm feeling more vindicated that there's a government angle goin on here. Also feeling more vindicated that Vanny & Vanessa are two different entities.
I just realized something… Scott cawthon made his lore similar to the Bible. We have the first run, the books, the movies, the subsequent run that discredit the first run. Just like how we have the Bible, Old Testament, New Testament, and the apocrypha that people discarded. People say it goes against the narrative, but at the same time, it answered questions that the Bible alone could not. Note, that Scott had Christian values and made Christian games before fnaf. I think that the lore was a secret nod to Christianity.
Could the MXES machine be the original marionette? It would explain the age of the machine as it would've been built when Charlie was a child, it fits the security purpose because that's exactly what it was originally built for except now rather than tracking kids through coloured bands on their wrist it's tracking workers through the V.A.N.N.Y system. And it would also explain why the nightmare marionettes have been showing up, its a twisted version of what the marionette once was.
Might have realised something about the carrot cake part. Why CARROT of all flavours? Well, what animal is most associated with carrots? Rabbits. Bonnie and Vanny fans might be eating good next game
They truly inherited the will of Scott, they told us alot and told us nothing at the same time.
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Something funny about Gravity Falls is that Alex Hirsch did a fake leak where he stood in a production room where there was a TV in the background that had McGucket writing the journals to throw off people who knew Stan had a secret brother who wrote actually wrote the journals.
I REMEMBER THAT. It's peak
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The fact that M.X.E.S is stylistically linked to a movie from 1983 specifically feels meaningful to me. 1983 is a year in FNAF lore where nearly everything important happens, in regards to the Afton era of the timeline. Linking the M.X.E.S machine to this period feels like the devs pointing to that era and telling us to look for connections.
During that era the government would use X to stand for experimental such as the MX missile, so-
Mimic eXperimental Enclosure System?
Alternatively, Mario came out in 1985 so-
Mario’s Xylophone Evening Serenade?
@@remingtonfiore9721 no, the second one is M.X.E.S. 2: electric boogaloo. (But for real I like the first thought lol)
@@remingtonfiore9721my thought has always been Mimic eXoskeleton Entertainment System, since its first purpose was to distract the kid.
But who made the machine though? William? Henry?
@@adammartinez8061 it could be either one, they’re both engineers after all. My personal belief is that William made the console, since the bunker it’s stored in is theorized to be connected to the Sister Location bunker, not to mention it contains a proto-scooper. I doubt the console would be easy to move, given it size and the processing power needed to keep that thing running, so it’s likely that the console and location come in a package, maybe even alongside the mimic itself.
I think the Vanny Graffiti is showing that she keeps the Vanny persona while also rejecting and renouncing Glitchtrap.
That could be possible
If that is the case, that's going to be freaking awesome and would show you can get the Afton Followers to work with us
Vanessa taking the thing that trapped her and using it as a sign of freedom and guidance would be so fucking cool imo
@Lustfullynova like the n word it was used to like take control of people with dark skin color then now the people with dark skin color use it as like as a sign of freedom. (Don't put a 💀 to my comment please)
@@professionalDucklover ya' know this comparison didn't even come to mind, I get what you're saying though but you could've definitely used a better analogy 😭
Because you say "Take it with a grain of salt" so often, you need a shirt that says that with a shaker containing a single grain of salt PLZ TvT
Just some salty toast
I think the implication that the "healer" has been corrupted, and the rampant placement of Nightmarrione (a nightmare version of the old "healer") is interesting.
That's actually very interesting thank you for pointing that out
My roomate (no idea about any fnaf lore) after i just showed her the thumbnail;
"Haha, I read MXES as My Exes"
And I just lost it
LOL [Starts singing the song]
I find it VERY interesting that Jason describes Cassie in almost the EXACT same way that charlie is characterized in every single version of the fnaf timeline, caring, going out of her way to help others, and most of all actually caring for the animatronics, it feels very similar to how henry described his daugher in fnaf 6. Makes me think of the Dual sisters theory you covered recently. Im really interested to see what steel wool is trying to say
Link to dual sisters theory!
I can't help but believe that when they talk about references in the game, the Brazil ending could also be pretty relevant for the same reason, as some fans think it might be connected to that old dystopian movie.
I don’t think the word “might” is necessary. It’s very obviously a reference to the movie Brazil, which is already a connection.
@@Neon-Starr i also think so, but I’m afraid of affirming anything about the lore in this franchise. Things are always very speculative
I think them saying “the end of glitch trap” is less of saying “he died here in the game time line” and more of saying “this is the last time we are going to see glitch trap in the games”
You know, the way Gregory and Cassie are supposed to be sort of rivals really reminds me of Micheal - Charlie dynamic where one is supposedly helping the murderer and the other one is helping the murdered. Or in that case it would be rather a William - Charlie, since Gregory is really straight up murdering the animatronics, while Cassie tries to help them.
Monty being "too far gone" makes me sad and idk why
It's because they created Monty specifically for Security breach and Ruin but they then just had us destroy him with no hope for redemption. Monty was Death fodder and they expected us as Cassie to be okay with that
@@stardustartistFr they specifically created this neat new character for this game (our first reptile animatronic to boot) only to kill him off. Rude
If Monty’s not coming back, then that’s pretty disappointing
Its probably more to do with her hating him, Cassie blames Monty for the disappearnce of Glamrock Bonnie since that is meant to be part of the "official story" created by Fazbear Entertainment, with Bonnie being her dad's favourite its understandable why. We even hear response to the appearance of the different animatronics, Freddy, Chica and Roxy she was concerned about but Monty got stuck with the label "that Monty thing".
ikr, with freddy while his body may be too far gone, at least his head and general consciousness is with gregory (as long as that ending happens) but for monty? he's just destroyed, almost no hope for redemption or healing from what the virus did to him
19:12 - wow, that grandma went out like a boss!
Personally, I think one of their intentional red herrings is the PQ3 hints. Call it copium, but I REALLY think they’re trying to build up to us as the audience trusting Vanessa, only for her to turn Vanny on us. That seemed to be a plan in the original Security Breach considering the deleted lines, and if Vanny was supposed to be our guide in HW2 before leaving us to die, that might have been a plan for that as well.
A lot of stuff points to PQ3 being canon, but like… if they were so set on making it obviously canon (headless Freddy, crushed machine) then why blur out Gregory’s friend’s pronouns? If they were trying to make it obvious, why not just let him say “her”? I don’t think his friend is Vanessa. I think they want us to think it is so that we can get a plot twist in an upcoming game, and thus be able to utilize Vanny more than they had in SB.
What is confusing about vannessa and vanny is that every time everything cool about her is cut content. And then the movie does that. It seems like they are hiding the truth as cut content. Witch is very scott. But going down that paranoia Hole is bad theory practice.
It would be a crazy reveal if Gregory's "friend" was actually Cassie's dad or its just Freddy with some knowledge about underground area
I wanna know how John Funaff got that interview before MattPatt did lol.
Probably because Matpat isn’t doing theory videos anymore, plus I think Matpat has his hands on FNAF more now that he isn’t and knows too much now. (ie his goodbye video ending with Scott)
I think Matpat would have wanted John to have the interveiw. He want's other people to be in the spotlight.
I wonder the same thing…not that John doesn’t deserve it but I would’ve been even cooler if it was MatPat or the both of them tho
MatPat tapped out and passed the torch on a long while back.
@@Imtrying_girl That was purely for cinematic purposes, I think. I do not believe he was told much lore, if at all. After all, he and Scott agreed to not talk about lore or anything when they met during the filming of the FNaF Movie.
Yeah I have a problem with Pride! I hate all the seven deadly sins.
I was about to throw hands but then you made me giggle, ggs
Got us in the first half. Not going to lie
sloth is just an eepy boy, leave him alone :c
this is hilarious considering Scott is a maga fan and has donated to anti lgbt coalitions
@@DefNotMyBurnerHe is Christian so it makes sense?
btw, another connection between the bonnie bully and cassies dad is that they both wear bunny masks (HW2s VANNI mask)
14:52 can't belive you missed "Ding Dong, the glitch is gone"
It's a reference to "ding dong the witch is dead"
Vanni betrays glitchtrap, jeremy is lost to the virus? What a web of betrayals!
"Did steel wool tell us the lore?!" *Proceeds to make broad statements anyway*
RUclipsr has a clickbait title. The sun is hot. People breathe air.
@@sapphirek5244 And Nux Taku is cringe.
What are you even saying? He said "did". Also he was just making connections with things and didn't say the interview said anything directly.
“🎶DING DONG, THE GLITCH IS DEAD🎶“ I’m using that phrase from now on whenever I bring up Glitchtrap dying 😭☠️
The idea of Vanny being an entity that was creators when Vanessa was under Glitchtraps control is pretty smart. Not only would we be able to see Vanny again, but we would see her in a new form. I’m excited to see where FNAF will go next, and I have faith in Steel Wool. 🙏😀👍
What if cassie's dad was the guy who cut off his own face in help wanted 1, he had gitch in his head at the time maybe Vanessa put him into a VR world so he could live on as the staff bunny bot and get him to help kill gitch? (This maybe true but i don't remember the guys name from help wanted 1.)
I've seen other's suggest that as well. My issue with it is why would a technician would be using the mask. It was probably an employee that developed the mask or that tested it.
@@diablosbros14 a tech can be considered as an employee at time, hell he may have been the one who designed the mask? That's random but hey ot is fnaf lmfao. I forgot what helppy said after Cassie put on the mask? Didn't it say something about fazz employees?
@@haseo2dingo: Pretty sure the guy that cut his own face off in HW, his name is also Jeremy...
@@kiracomments-chca2747 it would make sense if it was but then there is the Bonne masked kid cassie's dad is theorized to be. Unless they are they are all the same person, which would be crazy and knowing the way fnaf is would make sense too.
@@haseo2dingo: All I'm saying is that the guy's name is also Jeremy. Not that it's the same as the other many Jeremys'. I do think the bonnie bully and face ripped guy are the same person, but we will see with time who each Jeremy is when the next two games come out.
MAJOR SPOILERS FOR GRAVITY FALLS
Nah Bro at this point they had 12 years to watch it, 2 years in covid too
It's their fault if they didn't watch it
@@xmattarbleh
😱🤯😱
@@xmattar I don't really like this statement, like it's a very common thing to say and I'm not holding anything against you spefifically but nobody knows what anyone else is doing, and like, maybe someone just found out about the show from this video and now knows one of the big reveals when they otherwise wouldn't have wanted to know. Maybe someone has been wanting to watch the show since it came out but couldn't find the time to do it or didn't have the disney channel on their tv and as the years go on they have gravity falls in the back of their mind as something they want to watch but can never find the time for it.
@@Max_The_Floweralso not everyone was born at the time or they could have just learned from the show
I now realised something. Mimic 1 was always in the VANNI mask, while Glitchtrap was in the VR world. When Gregory played PQ 3, he freed Vanessa from the Glitchtrap, but not the Mimic. They merged together because of that mask. And when Gregory played PQ 3, that part of Glitchtrap that was connected to the Mimic was gone, and so, like from Vanny's cut dialogue, only a small bit of His code was left.
And so to completely defeat Glitchtrap, they used the same mask that has Mimic 1 program to kill Glitchtrap completely. Which means that GLITCHTRAP WAS WILLIAM AFTON ALL ALONG AND MIMIC KILLED HIM. THIS IS FAZBEAR FRIGHTS EPILOGUES ALL OVER AGAIN.
And i guess that the reason Gregory and Vanessa returned to the Pizzaplex is because of her connection to Mimic1 program. That's why the security nodes in Ruin are rabbits. I guess same could apply to MXES.
@@GospodinWolf I hate the modern lore it’s not mysterious nor interesting It’s just dumb.
@@dylanhudec979 yeah
@@GospodinWolf it’s all about mimics now isn’t it? we went from unknown killer to an army of robot copycats this just feels stale and very forced
@@dylanhudec979 Kind of
It could be that both endings for HP 2 are the “real” endings. With the mask bot ending be where Casey’s dad’s soul ends up and the Vanny ending is where his consciousness is trapped; in the same vain of Afton in UCN with his soul trapped in the suit and his consciousness in UCN.
I personally think that BOTH endings happend and that maybe Vanny crushed Glitchtrap BUT ONLY the digital form the phyisical form which is Burntrap might still live since we never know if tangel killed him or if he got possesed or if Burntrap escaped.
Idk maybe I just dont want Glitchtrap to be dead/ to die this way it kinda feels underwhelming if that makes sense what do you think
Btw Gravity Falls is THE GOAT THE G O A T when it comes to cartoony animated shows.
Imagine if Alex Hirsch and Scott made sth. Which is or isnt fnaf related.
They would have a field day with hiding stuff and telling secrets and all that
i love the interview clip being played on the SL tv. That's charming
2:36 lol I love u dude
What if Vanny is the personified avatar aspect of MXES?
If she's free of Evil influence would she really want to take over the body of a human?
Or would she take advantage of being a digital entity and inhabit the security system to stand guard over the Mimic?
Thing is, I feel like both endings in HW2 are canon. I mean, why bother mentioning that Glitchtrap is dead? Like you said, no matter what Cassie will retrieve the mask. No matter what, Cassie's dad dooms his daughter. Besides, when we put on the AR mask in Ruin, we see a human brain and veins in mask bot, meaning that yes, Cassie's dad was torn apart and literally stuffed into mask bot. I think that the arcade machine ending is also symbolically showing that Cassie's dad is trapped. He can't do anything. He's forced to helplessly watch as his daughter gets corrupted by the same thing he was slowly manipulated by.
And about your "Vanny is still alive despite being separate from Vanessa" thing, I feel like I've got more evidence to back that up. Thing is in Ruin, when we get the Brazil ending, we see Vanessa and Gregory. But not with Freddy, with Helpi. That means it's most likely that Vanessa and Gregory also had chips in their brains, and even if they were freed, some of their data was still left behind when they were controlled. That's why we see Vanny.
While Vanessa might have killed Glitchtrap and freed herself, Vanny is still very much alive. I also think that this ending should symbolize Vanessa's freedom. I mean, after Glitchtrap gets crushed, Vanny disappears into the void. She's not a threat, for now.
It's possible that either the Mimic will control Cassie, Vanny will control Cassie, or whatever it is that controls Cassie will make her and whatever is controlling her our new antagonists. And it might be carnival-themed like you said in a previous theory.
You ate this
Sorry, Toast, but you got the ending of B-7 2 wrong. Billy’s grandmother assimilates B-7 into her body, announces that she’s been terminally sick for a while, then dies and somehow that kills B-7. There’s nothing about falling down stairs.
Oh, I must've mixed it up with another story. Thanks for the heads up!
i'm honest not even mad about a less favourable interpretation of 'youtuber bait' to some extent like the whole fandom and game's legacy exists so much because of the youtube lets plays, i mean markiplier and game theory are why i watch fnaf theories despite never playing the games
I think what was meant by "RUclipsr Bait" and stuff like that was things like that cart falling down the stairs at the beginning, or the elevator falling at the beginning of the game, or that Chica jumpscare at the beginning that didn't actually harm the player! :D (Recommenting this because someone else made an undesirable reply.)
My hungry ass thought they were comparing MXES to a Whopper.
Finally subbed lol happy pride to you too ❤
theory: The cat is the one talking
9:33 what if we couldn’t see the prototype on the foot cause we needed to put on a Vanny mask? Or have interacted with the mask and once infected we were able to see it? Questionsssssss
Things I think.
1. I personally don’t think glitchtrap is fully dead, I’m more under the belief that perhaps most of his code was destroyed and it’s caused him to be severely weakened to the point where he won’t be able to take on as much of a active role, but we’ll most likely get Vanny/VANNI to take on the role of the next main antagonist in the game she appears in now in Cassie’s mind.
2. I think chica may be rescued by a child of her own like how Freddy has Gregory and Roxanne had Cassie, perhaps, maybe Amelia from the tales story ggy.
3. If glitchtrap is dead perhaps the next villain will be another variant of the mimic, perhaps even Tiger-Rock from the books.
4. If the tales books are canon to the games we may have to explore other pizzaplex’s.
5. If Vanny/VANNI really was able to be separated from Vanessa I think the same will happen to Cassie, but instead of trying to find a new host body she’s gonna build herself a animatronic body.
6. I’m under the belief that Cassie’s dad is gonna return from being put inside the mask-bot, perhaps he’ll find a way to travel through the pizzaplex network and transfer his mind into a new body or get his own body back.
I've been pretty big on the Chica idea since the first Ruin poster. I mixed up Amelia's named thinking someone said Abigail, which led me down a big spiral of comparing Chicas and Babys. Of the Ruin we got, one sort of thing I wanna change would be if you didn't shatter Monty or Chica in base, they'd have a different model in the DLC, or potentially act differently if Gregory didn't hurt them.
So the whole antagonist is just a bunch of robot copycats? lame
From the Way that Steel wool Described Gregory,
I Think He's Evil,
Not gonna Lie.
I mean he does drop the elevator with a friend who obviously cared enough for him to go into this creepy ass place and try to save him.
Lil bro is definitely sus..and how he lied to freddy about the upgrades we get from everyone else..yeah. He definitely lacks certain empathy not only for animatronics but for human’s as well
Something that interests me is how much Glitchtrap's death mirrors how tape-girl said to kill him in Help Wanted.
What she tells us is that Glitchtrap wants to escape through someone plugged in the game via a VR headset, and that only when he does that can he be destroyed.
The only way to connect to Princess Quest 4 is while wearing the Vanny mask, at which point the player finds themselves in the game world, a virtual reality rather than the augmented reality of the game's main hub. And while exploring that game world, we find ourselves in a claw machine, where we give the Glitchtrap plushie to Moon, who drops it in the chute so Vanny can pull Glitchtrap out of the machine. While it's not as literal as escaping through our body, our being plugged into the game allows Glitchtrap to escape, only for Vanny- the person who heard tape-girl's instructions- to crush him.
I have been saying this ever since HW2 came out. Cassie's dad, Gregory and Vanessa have to be working togather during HW2. The Vanny ending is probably just a metaphor of what happened, not how it happened. Cassie's dad sacrifices his body for Glitchtrap to take it over completely (After all he is the perfect vessel as a fan of Bonnie, being a dad and being a fazbear technician) Cassie's dad is left behind in the system of the Pizzaplex with Glitchtrap completly gone from it now. (Ending 1) Vannessa who pretends to be Vanny kills Glitchtrap in Cassie's dad's body, probably with the help of Gregory, after Cassie's dad makes the ultimate sacrifice. (Ending 2)
This makes both endings work, while killing Glitchtrap and making the new Helpi mimic, the driving force inside of the Pizzaplex system.
the canon ending NEEDS to be the BurnTrap Ending bc of Ruined Freddy and HW2
4:40 this has really made me feel stronger about the graves in hw2 being death order. Obviously gravestones are closely associated with death, plus with the death order being something that is often in the forefront of discussion in the fanbase, I think it's likely they would have deemed it misleading if it was not meant to represent that. I know a lot of people think it is the order of spirits resting, but with previously using the unlit animatronic heads to show the absence of spirits, I find it very unlikely they would swap to using lit torches to represent spirits leaving. It just unnecessarily further complicates the symbolism.
I always really liked the idea of Cassie becoming the next Vanny. In my head, and this is pure speculation, I always felt like she would take upon the persona of Vanny and, instead of being a murderer for murders sake, she'd become more like the puppet was to the kid's souls to the animatronics. She'd be this shepherd to the lost and the broken no matter what or who gets in her way. She'd still be antagonistic to characters like Gregory and Vanessa, the same way that the puppet was antagonistic to Mike even though they were both trying to do good.
And even going with this theory, I think this could still work. Like, maybe they could butt heads at first but, Cassie being the healer and the shepherd who wants to help, they could come to some kind of agreement and have a healthier version of what vanny and Vanessa had.
And, if we're still going by the "new characters playing similar roles as old ones" idea, I always felt like Cassie was meant to be the new Charlie. Plus her name is kind of a mix of Charlie and Cassidy, so that could lead somewhere. Kind of a stretch, I know.
Like I said, this is pure speculation, but I think it's pretty cool.
During the interview JTop said that any location that has appeared in the series they could revisit his example being getting to see inside the Fnaf 1 bathrooms
THE MIMIC!!!!!!!!!!
THE MIMIC!!!!!!!!!!
THE MIMIC!!!!!!!!!!
THE MIMIC!!!!!!!!!!
THE MIMIC!!!!!!!!!!
17:01 Vanessa trolley problem lol
My interpretation is that Glitchtrap (the digital entity) is gone but Vanny (Glitchtrap fused into a woman's mind) stlll exists. And Cassie's mind,as Glitchtrap seems to be talking to her before she gets the Vanny mask ("Monty is dangerous, stay away from him","I'm lonely","Happy birthday,Cassie","warmer","boiling"). Of course,this is built on Vanny and Vanessa being different people because they physically can't be the same person,how did she get in the Vanny costume that fast?
did anyone notice that ruin freddy has a different shade of blue than security breach freddy? I saw more things different.
The MXES thing had me wondering so hard on what they’re trying to say… Like what does that mean? There’s no way he could have been created in the 80s, they were just starting out.. MXES is such a mysterious character. I have ideas on who I think he is but oh boy that side of thr fandom would get very mad at me lol
FNAF has always given the Fazbear company technology that's way too advanced for the time period. A good example is Fetch from the Fazbear Frights books, which came out years and years ago. This is just a plot point of the franchise and has been for a long time.
The MXES machine has to just be an old super computer used for development of the mimic program and other stuff, and the hardware has just been repurposed to run the security system for the pizzaplex because otherwise it quite literally makes zero sense why presumably William or Henry would make it. I personally just think the timeline is a lost cause at this point, nothing seems to matter, and you can toss in anything anywhere because this franchise follows as much logic as installing a screen door on a submarine.
There's an issue in my mind where the age of the Bonnie Bully comes up.
Let's say that you're right; they are one and the same. Let's also say he was around 10-15 yrs old when the Bite of '83 happened. If we accept the information that SB occurs in 2035, at youngest he'd be near 62. At oldest, he'd be pushing 70. That's retirement age or reasonably close to it. A bit old either way to be raising a child.
I think it's more likely that Cassie is a grandchild rather than daughter. We've already seen some loose evidence that the game series is generationally impacting. This wouldn't be that much of a stretch.
I’m not sure about though, we have people in real life that are around 60-70 years old and still have children. I mean heck Scott himself is still having children and he’s around his 60's or 70's.
@@King_Kong-Zilla Scott is 46 💀
Steel wool has access to the Scott cawthon playbook, every word they say is calculated and optimized to throw us off at every pass
The thing I love most about this channel (besides the info/lore exploration) is how comfortable the cats are with you! 💕 Extreme green flag! The orange and white one looks just like my Eddie! Subbed for the FNAF content, staying for the cats too, lololollll
22:07 But he could also have meant with Glitchtrap being dead that William Afton is now back. To be clear I belive in the Death of the Virus itself but not the Consciousness of William Afton, which found a new host with Cassys Dad. So that would also mean that he is now a full human being again and not just a program
What would make the first ending canon
merged with the Spirit of Afton
But thats just a silly little theory
What if the Freddy with the "prototype" stamp on it is actually a prototype design and they just forgot to remove the stamp and said "Oh well. They know now..."
Glitchtrap might be gone, but some version of William Afton will probably still be around. Also, I thought Jeremy Fitzgerald was the victim of the Bite of '87.
J-Top literally confirmed in this interview that Princess Quest 4 happened cause "We beat Princess Quest... But there is more.", meaning we beat Princess Quest III, which means the Princess Quest ending is the canon ending.
I honestly think that Jtop was talking just about PQ4 ending when talking about glitchtrap, and that the maskbot ending is the canon one
I LOVE that you show the interview in the tv (with popcorn) from sister location 😂😂😂
i kinda wanna cry at the carrot cake teaser, the thought of seeing cassie again... makes me emotional, foor some reason- maybe, just maybe- she will get to see gregory again?
i kinda wanna see her as a villain tho' for some reason, to me makes the most sense from what happpened to her in the ending of ruin... idk idk
I wish we can see Tales From the Pizzaplex with Novels made from Skybound Comic Series
I mentioned it during the livestream, but I think Security Breach's hints that both PQ and Burntrap endings are canon mean they both happened in some way and, similarly, I think both endings of HW2 happened, just with a time gap in between. I think the HW2 ending where you listen to Helpi, collect the transformers, Cassie's dad is killed and uploaded into Maskbot, and we see Burntrap's pod open happened before Security Breach took place. That was Glitchtrap's big attempt to escape by downloading himself into Burntrap but Gregory and the Tangle foiled him. Because a bit of him was still attached to Cassie's dad he wasn't fully destroyed and he was stuck as Helpi in the Pizzaplex's systems again. It makes sense then why we see the Pizzaplex first in pristine condition and then later in ruins.
Cue Ruin and the digital version of Cassie's dad we saw in Maskbot is under Helpi's control but as Helpi turns its attention to Cassie it gives her dad room to download himself into PQ4 to try and sever Helpi's (Glitchtrap's last remaining piece still alive) hold on him. So the Helpi that manipulated Cassie WAS still Glitchtrap but at some point after Cassie is betrayed and stranded in the basement Vanny finds that digital version of Cassie's dad still in the system, destroys that last piece of Glitchtrap, and leaves the digital Cassie's dad behind in the Pizzaplex's computer system.
I think that M.X.E.S. is what the mimic line from the books was controled by with the acronym being: Mimic eXternal Endoskeleton System security. as gregoy calls it the M.X.E.S. security so thats what i think
If Gregory is good now, he's likely no longer killing Vanessa's therapists, which would mean that she's able to get regular treatment, which may cause Vanny and Vanessa to reconcile in a way that breaks Vanny free from Glitchtrap's control.
Great interview I rly enjoyed it I like hearing about the behind the scenes of game making Jason is a sweet guy
This is a far stretch, but if the mimic is supposed to be a Ai that is copying William afton. What if gergory , Cassie and Cassies father, are supposed to be some parallel for Micheal, Charli, and Henry. I mean, it's a very far stretch for Micheal and gergory. But Cassie and her father. That's different they are both trying to fix something that is broken by gergory and/or the mimic. It honestly might be dumb but for me, it seems possible, I mean, we have parallel in the books. So maybe security breach is set in a different world with a different story but the same story told again with stuff to fill in the blanks of the regular time line. I mean if the books, and movie are set in a different universe why wouldn't some of the games?
It's like solving a puzzle, you can't solve it without all of the pieces, just like FNaF
"Cause I don't really know if I have a gender at this point." Mood
A good example of RUclipsr bait is poppy playtime chapter 2 I know when your birthday is.
Exactly
Thay was good though, when Mark heard it and it ended up being his birthday, I couldn't stop laughing
9:41 - just noticing here that the lightning bolts on each freddy ‘ s chest arent the same ! Or at least that what it looks like ( don’t attack me if in wrong please ! )
7:35 yeah that's what I've always been thinking, the only confusing one is putting the dog down.
regarding timestamp 2:23
You need a pan to bake bread, after all!
The SA2B music in the background is activating part of my brain I thought was sleeping.
Maybe they mean that glitch trap is the digital entity and now glitch trap exists as a different being? Either in the mimic or something we have yet to see?
Princess Quest reminds me of Disney Princess and Bonnie father was revealed years of 1987 popgoes fanverse As well
23:40 That certainly doesn't feel like a healthy relationchip...
Oh, I love this theory! Solo Vanny would be really fun to explore
Having SA2 soundtrack in the bg of this video is a huuuuge vibe. Thank you 🙏🏼 ❤
Not me watching these at work and wishing I was home with my cat the whole time. (P.S. I wish my cat would let me hold her like a baby like that. So freaking cute!)
2:24 I was very supportive of pride. I actually had 2 friends who transitioned back in Highschool. Some of my best friends. 2 years later one of them ended themselves because they wanted to de-transition and was called transphobic for it by other members of pride. The other friend told me all about it after he passed.
The ONLY problem I have is that transitioning doesn't work for everyone, and that there are people in lgbt that dont care really. You apparently only mattered if you agreed with them. I really miss him. I didn't know I would be called out for that tho, and I came to this channel because i liked your theories, cats, and i played your videos while i slept cause you have a calming voice to me. Been watching for over a year. Now all i will remember is this timestamp directed at me. 2:24
If you are supportive of Pride (which celebrates and fights for stuff like same sex marriage, people being able to express themselves how they are without fear of losing basic human rights, trans rights, and much more) then he isn't talking to you. If you are saying you are no longer supportive of Pride, then the message stands. I'm sorry for your loss, but I don't really understand what your friend's tragic story has to do with Rye's reasoning.
Vanny stays alive BCS of princess quest 4? It being like a last resort in case someone could save Vanessa
As a newer fan, I did not realize you didn't go by he/him and I apologize for assuming such
16:00 I could see an argument that Vanny turning away is just Vanessa leaving the digital space to return to the real world. She was able to meet with Cassie's dad through the digital space, but we don't know how far apart in the real world you can be and still communicate in the digital space. She may have been leaving so she could help him if she knew/recognized that he couldn't leave on his own. Or she may not have known he was trapped now. If she could leave on her own, or had Gregory/someone else there to pull her out, Vanessa may have wrongly believed that Cassie's dad was also capable of leaving or waiting for a (non-existent) partner to pull him out.
peak just dropped
Vanny doesnt seem to line up with the helpie AI. It seems much more likely that helpie is the mimic, who is baby. This explanation also doesnt explain moon.
To explain that, if we think vanny is a parallel for vanessa, and moon is a parallel for Gregory. Then them "crushing" glitchtrap could be them putting it into the original mimic endo and trapping it there with MXES. However that would all have to happen before ruin, which is plausible, hut makes the Jeremy maskbot hard to explain.
However if we think Vanny is Babies new persona, it wouldnt be the first time she expelled controlling personalities to be free?
Watching this vid is making me crazy cus like, okay i love ya vids been literally binging ya vids my whole week.. but the idea of just one ending being able to be canon is making me CRAZY, like i am not a lore expert but as someone who has played a lot of games, it makes sense that the help wanted 2 endings shows HOW did Cassie's dad got killed and ended up inside, the technology (?)/training simulation thats HW2 and he being used by Glitchtrap to give his own daughter the vanny mask. the other ending is showing us him being guided by Vanessa using the Vanny person to interact with the technologically world that Glitchtrap and Cassie's dad reside inside. Explodes sorry i just woke up.
How would Jeremy be the protagonist for help wanted 2 if he would have died in 87 from the bite, because I still believe he was bitten
Phone guy said that he lived.
Know what else is a fun takeaway? There are no retcons... just added context.
Quick aside about calling Cassie's dad Jeremy: I was under the impression that Jeremy was supposed to be the bite of '87 victim (or maybe Mike again). Can anyone give me a shorthand version of why Rye reckon's Jeremy is Cassie's dad, or point me in the direction of which video to watch?
Honestly, at this point my headcanon is that security breach and ruin both follow the deux ex/invisible war format for endings. Which ending is canon? Yes. Yes to all.
Wouldn't being a prototype also be a way to explain Freddy 'glitching out' at the start of the game and letting Gregory use him in the first place? Always though that was how they explained that but don't see it come up often. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places lol
Didn't Jeremy get bitten in 1987? Being the reason we play as fritz in the custom night
I'm feeling more vindicated that there's a government angle goin on here. Also feeling more vindicated that Vanny & Vanessa are two different entities.
Am I the only one who's been watching the cat for the major part of the video?
I just realized something… Scott cawthon made his lore similar to the Bible.
We have the first run, the books, the movies, the subsequent run that discredit the first run.
Just like how we have the Bible, Old Testament, New Testament, and the apocrypha that people discarded.
People say it goes against the narrative, but at the same time, it answered questions that the Bible alone could not.
Note, that Scott had Christian values and made Christian games before fnaf.
I think that the lore was a secret nod to Christianity.
That is so clever!! I never even thought of that!
Could the MXES machine be the original marionette? It would explain the age of the machine as it would've been built when Charlie was a child, it fits the security purpose because that's exactly what it was originally built for except now rather than tracking kids through coloured bands on their wrist it's tracking workers through the V.A.N.N.Y system. And it would also explain why the nightmare marionettes have been showing up, its a twisted version of what the marionette once was.
That "Go fuck yourself" Was so uncalled for I'm fucking rolling rn lmfao
Nice Wizard Of Oz Reference!
Might have realised something about the carrot cake part. Why CARROT of all flavours? Well, what animal is most associated with carrots? Rabbits. Bonnie and Vanny fans might be eating good next game