What’s New In Siding 2022? Hardie’s New Stucco & Modern Exteriors
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Filmed at the James Hardie booth at IBS 2022.
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I'm clad you posted this video.
Pun intended ?
🤣 such a funny lil clad…
WOW…
Ha!
Yes, Matt has a funny siding we don’t see too often.
Matt: I'm an architect in multiple states and I can tell you that there's no way that those massive panels should ever be applied tight onto the WRB like they'd shown. You nailed it when you said that best practice would be to implement a rain screen although I would go so far as to say it's the only practice for panels that large.
Keep up the great work Matt.
While a rain screen is considered best practice for our Hardie Vertical Panel, it’s not required.
I am a masonry contractor and I can’t believe that Hardie in this day and age would suggest that a WRB or Drainage plan is not required behind this product. To say it is not “required” to me is setting yourself up for a class action law suit. Water is the worse enemy.
Ric,
Since you seem to better understand the risk of potential water damage to the home, I'd like to repeat my question.
What can you do when you already have Hardie Siding that was installed BEFORE the water lessons were learned to get EXISTING Hardie Siding to not channel water INSIDE YOUR HOME, WALLS, CEILING?
I have ALREADY contacted Hardie for assistance. They don't care & won't advise you what needs to be done to correct this problem.
@@merbesfield "not required by bare minimum code" might have been more appropriate. I agree none of their products is 100% permeable, therefore, it needs to drain water behind. Otherwise it's just another cheap builder cutting corners legally.
@@merbesfieldJH had a class action against them in NZ for recommending their products are able to be direct fixed with no cavity for harditex and titan panels.
Seen Hardie on many small and large projects here in nwpa. Customers who don't know are usually sold by the sheer quality of there products and the will uplift Any home easily. Easily installed. It's just nice
Just when I thought JH couldnt get any better. That seagrass looks killer. This channel is freakin hip. I miss the Steals we used to get from lowes. Once picked up pallets of 4x8 Hardie panels for like $5 per sheet. They run almost 10x that now.
killer - freakin - hip ???????????????????
Thank you for visiting there booth. I’m actually going to be spec’ing out there product in fact the architectural line is in fact my plan. Very helpful sharing.
As an EIFS specialist here in Canada and someone who's installed Hardie Shake/Long Board, this is exciting. With our climate we are lucky to get 5-6 months of decent EIFS/stucco installation weather. Siding products really do lend themselves to easier weather tolerances, even if I still like the EIFS envelope from STO better. I can't wait to see this come our way.
No idea what your acronyms are
@@tombomombodombo exterior insulated finishing system. It's our "stucco" because real stucco performs terribly in freeze/thaw cycles.
I was just going to comment that this product solves a lot of issues in Canada. On the west coast, it's all about finding enough dry weather to install traditional stucco, so this will solve that and likely help with scheduling. I was slowly getting away from acrylic stucco anyways, so this is a good transition.
Near Toronto?
Any recommendation for airgaps in a coastal/beach environment. I see water damage constantly - lots of workmanship issues but also I see subs off the street just applying the fully waterproof membrane all over the OSB paneling on the oceanside (hurricane alley, North Carolina). If you were building a beachhouse today, what product/application would you choice and why - keeping cost reasonably close to the traditional osb/wrap/hardie planks, of course.
I like it! It will lend itself to a modern architecture far better than the board siding of previous Hardie styles. Yay! I have a client that just might need this!
I like the seagrass,it almost looks like precast concrete
Matt rockin' the press badge.
Hardie is best..transformed my house factory painted will outlast me...has to be installed by experts that are Hardie certified. That's how I found the guys to do mine...they where artists
Why is this video just now being recommended to me? Those panels look so good!
I really like the look of these panels. My question is how do they do with new construction projects. If the house settles or the wood contracts, will the panel crack? Is this a potential issue to be concerned about?
How well does this material fare in humid climates? I’m in the costal north east on a lake. Interested in a retrofit for a New England cottage style home
Stand-off should be built into the back. Would be awesome if this was done and nails are around the perimeter and covered by adjacent panels or adhesive spots used.
Oh - I like - a nice option for our new home build instead of the regular Hardie 👍
Good luck getting those products - I waited 2 years and they canceled product lines due to supply issues, but they look great. No installers can install these products in the Southeast.
how would you keep this large thin panels flat over the drainage matt? I would be worried that these would cup and dip where they are fastened? Charles
Remember they do not build for the general market, but for high end custom. And for high end custom a few extra thousand for shimming siding is nbd.
Could you use that stucco look product for a shower surround?
Could they attach or form the drainage mat on the back of the siding at the factory?
I have question I have some siding up right now that’s smooth how can I just create vertical rectangler designs like stucco look not ready to I’m set into stucco at this time thank you
Yes!!! So happy there’s an IBC
Can these be applied over painted stucco? I want a new finish. Also do these need to be painted?
I would love to know this too.
What gage of stainless steel finish nails and spacing would work.. I would think finish nails with fiber cement could come loose over time under wind loads?
When are these available in the market?
And do they work in the cold zones in the north?
Nice stuff.. I'm curious, are all of these James Hardie products still cement-based, or did they transition to a polyash base like Boral's TrueExterior product? Am also curious as to a price, durability, ease-of-install, and breath-safety comparison of Hardie vs Boral. I know I'm asking a lot, but maybe a good idea for a future video.
Our products have actually always been fiber-cement! We do not use fly ash.
I'm using both products on my house. On one side, I use James Hardie Shingles. On the other, Boral horizontal boards with a V-groove. Boral is also used everywhere for trim. One of the great things about the Boral siding is being able to miter the corner joints, giving the install a more contemporary look. Can't do that with Hardie. The siding has been in place since 2018 and both are performing well. Ease of install probably favors Boral in that you can use all standard woodworking tools. While I'm not sure about this one, the respiratory issues might be a little worse with Hardie products.
This product is very interesting. James Hardie is not a novice in this industry and I assume that intensive test has been done in advance. But I can't help but have two concerns for this product. The first is the air gap for drainage that everyone else keeps mentioning. The second is expansion and contraction. Even without the threat of water, materials will expand and contract due to temperature changes. A wood framed house with expand and contract at a different rate than the exterior cementitious siding, which can pose a problem if they're fuse together.
We love the look of fiber cement panels on our home! In the last few years, we've noticed nail heads rusting through (NOT a James Hardie product!)--do you know why that might be happening and what we could do to fix/amend it?
Sounds like they didn't use stainless steel nails, perhaps galvanized. Galvanizing can wear away eventually exposing the steel below which can rust. If it's a few years old, likely the builder's warranty has expired. I can't recommend any specific product, but generally speaking you'd want to remove the rust stains, seal the nails maybe with a rust converter dabbed on with a tiny brush or caulking, and repaint.
I always use hardie. It’s the best
I like that Will joins the sign-off.
James Hardie founded in the year 1888 Melbourne Australia.
They used to use asbestos in their fibre cement sheet.
They have come and gone a long way since then.
We still have them here in Australia but of course their product line-up is different to North America
Yes, I think back in the day most cement based siding contained asbestos. Be careful when cutting through or removing the old stuff.
how is the pricing compared to stucco? Stucco skilsmen are so hard to come by. This will be incredible
Look like nice stuff. Not sure if I will be able to use the new stuff due to 2023 release. Building in a few months in lower al.
We own a home in Santa Monica Mountains that has siding. It’s a pain in the. The house was built in 1984. Very modern look that isn’t dated at all with outstanding angles. It was one of the first projects of a well known local architect. But when it was built, they decided to go for cedar siding rather than stucco. I think they should have gone with a Santa Barbara stucco finish and some steel frame windows - but no it’s not what they did. We bought the house in 2012 and did a full paint job and replaced a lot of boards and now we’re doing that for a second time - most of the original wood was held up shockingly well. But next go around? This kind of product would be outstanding. For what its worth I have to agree that there is no way you should put that kind of product directly over a weather barrier. Great advice on your part.
Thanks Matt! Will made me laugh jumping in at the end with "on the build show'
Where do you buy the seagrass panels. I see it nowhere on their site
Curious about the fasteners for the Hardie product: if you have a 1/4 inch air gap behind the panels, is there concern of corrosion of the nails used to hang the JH panels?
Wafer head screws- Spax or Simpson STAINLESS
Hope they did advanced weather testing on those products.
I work for Hardie R&D. I can assure you, we spend an inordinate amount of time doing all sorts of mechanical, accelerated life and durability testing from below freezing to scorching temperatures
They need to offer more for the DIY group that are less than 4x8 and easier to work with. The Hardie Shake product would be great, but the stores around here can only special order it in large quantities.
It's not a diy product...the stuff is heavy and the proper tools for correct installation results..special saw blade and flashing done right and proper gaps its not diy
??? At the 2 minute mark, plus or minus, Matt you stated the panels were or come in 4x8, 4x10, etc. With that being said, are you 20 feet tall, or do the make smaller panels as well?
Is it fireproof like stucco?
I'm looking to finish over cinder block on my flip. I've looked at stucco but as a diyer, I'm a bit concerned with the labor and making sure it looks good. Any suggestions? Is JH the way to go?
stucco by a diy is difficult to get it to look right if you have no experience. Better to hire a stucco contractor for such a project, but go see his work. If they do a crappy job of lathing, it can leak.
Can the lower edge be near or at ground contact level?
IF IT IS THE RIGHT PRICE MIGHT BE BETTER OPTION THAN STUCCO, CERTAINLY LOOKS EASIER TO INSTALL.
The high cost of low prices,if it has the 30 year warranty and 15 on color plus it's a good deal
NO KIDDING!
What installing over a Block wall?
I'd be very interested in something like that Hardie siding on my project in the next few years, but the seams look a bit off. Maybe its lighting or just the limits of the time they had to install the demo? The edges are wavy and casting an uneven shadow and it really sticks out. What's going on there?
At @2:01 you can see the waist-high seam has a deep shadow on the very left portion of the wall vs the rest of the width of the wall. Likewise, the shoulder high seam to the left of the window has a deeper shadow in the middle, and a shallower shadow line near the edges. It is very distracting to the look. It appears this particular product is intended to not have battens over the seams, correct?
I have noticed that as well.
To have those straight sharp seams you need a Swiss or Italian fiber cement board. Although at a different price point.
I saw this, too
Is there an alternative framing product this could be combined with to build a more fireproof house?
How do you ensure the wall stays plumb w the air gap behind it? It seems like any substrate able to drain water will compress down, and as a result, you would end up w fasteners at different depths. Thanks
You can attach our panel to 2x4 wood or 20 ga. furring strips.
@@JamesHardieBP space them w house frame studs or can they be further apart? Thanks!
i really like that sculpted clay siding but i can't seem to find i anywhere
Are these out in the market yet ?
Do you know when the product will be available in south, texas
Does the use of these products make a home more susceptible to termites due to the air gap between the weather barrier and the cladding? How is pest control (termites, spiders, wasps, bees, etc) managed or mitigated in the gap?
Check out the siding video he has for his house. He uses a plastic cardboard like material with screening to cover the bas of the gap and keep put bugs while allowing airflow
Wish these panels would be released in my lifetime! Ready to reside my home but they keep telling me it’s not for sale in my area.
What is the fire rating for the JH cement board?
I just heard from our builder that the stucco is no longer available. We live at 98822 Washington state. Is that information correct?
Thanks for the info.
The modern look ain't my fave, but that new tech is impressive.
Will is an excellent addition to the team.
How did you add the picture lol
@@buzrash Funny thing is, I just recently noticed that I had those emojis. It's a perk for being a Build Show "members only" subscriber.
Great show.
I want this over my t1-11.
Will is packing some heat in those slacks
Guys doing great EIFS stucco are very expensive. That is the guys doing it properly.
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For those of us living in a high risk forest fire are having concrete siding is a real plus.
Our non-combustible siding comes in handy near forests, that's for sure!
So all the seams are open to water penetration, completely depending on what’s behind it to protect ?
There is a flashing as part of the system. Remember “it’s not about keeping water out, it’s about letting water out” Nicastro. That’s why you want a rainscreen
Does anyone know a competing stucco look a like panel? One they actually manufacture and stock? I've had 4 contractors to the house, not one has used or can source this mythical hardie stucco panel until November earliest. It's not even a big job, just need a dozen panels to cover a small area, but Hardie apparently can't deliver.
good stufff.....price per sq ?.....$$$
True, Paint it & charge 10 X more!!
Not "Shiplap look", asbestos shingle look. Nice product!
I agree. Looks retro and gross.
How long does it last and any maintenance required ? Thanks.
Its got a 30 year warranty. But it should last the life of your home. The only maintenance is power wash when dirty and paint when the paint fades?? But if you dont it probably wont hurt it.
@@jenniferc9669, Thank you.
Made in the US & founded in Australia, now dual listed on the ASX & NYSE but to pay less tax everything is owned via an holding company in the Netherlands. While their products may be great, their history around asbestos compensation & having had directors convicted of misleading the Australian stock exchange make using their products a difficult.
1/4” thick? Seems like a product that will suffer from shipping, install and finished damage easily. Definitely need to see durability tests on different rains screens and how it’s shipped.
It's 7/16"
First to like this, how interesting these new products!
Can you adhere those panels with something like thinset? I'm thinking if building a cmu house, (fire proof), and would like to use laticrete's hydroban product for exterior waterproofing. They make a proprietary "thinset" for adhering that precast faux stone stuff. Could these panels be substituted?
Also, how are they cut? I would like to install the panels in smaller sizes, possibly on the diagonal. Would a track saw be the most accurate way to accomplish this?
Is ground contact approved?
Go to the website
I could see this product used on an interior accent wall.
So what do you do in 15 years when you need to repair areas when Hardie no longer makes that style of wall cladding?
You have to have an air matrix material or ice & water shield that seal seals and penetrations like 1X3” strapping. A failure at a window, door, or roof connection in driving rain or humidity that forms condensation behind it during temperature changes has to breathe while giving moisture a means to escape & dry out. Moisture intrusion into a house is an expensive failure that can lead quickly to structural issues. Just ask Mike Holmes in Canada with his show on HGTV! Mushrooms growing behind James Hardy board on a 3 year old house with incorrectly installed doors and cheap windows. Siding maybe perfect, but what about the other trades and the products and methods they used. It is only part of the exterior system.
The concept is interesting, but they can't even get the seams to line up or be flush on the displays - not sure this would look too sharp on a house.
Matt's lanyard ribbon is longest 😎
Don’t get overly excited - pretty much all of these types of JM products are not available except in climates that don’t reach freezing. Think Ca, and coastal PNW. For most of the Country, you’ll need to use the standard, or possibly architectural siding (you can miter the corners)...Furthermore, even if you wanted the siding, you would need to purchase it in a distant location, and coordinate shipping with a trucking company. I know, because, I did this with the JH “matrix.”
Alright! What an ingenious idea! Thank you Matt for sharing.
Eventually this house will need the fiberboard siding replaced, front and partly wrapping around the sides are Hardie clapboards in great shape (no sense impacting the environment by landfilling material with significant life left). I see a big advantage over the board versus traditional stucco: replacing the bad siding without increasing thickness so where the material changes in the field there isn't an award transition due to traditional stucco's thickness.
Oddly, the product does not seem to be on the website, though available at the big box stores.
Colr plus is the way to go yup
They actually have board that legit looks like stucco and is named as such.
Not my taste, but interesting. I was hoping you were going to show some other new siding products...
WHO INSTALLS THIS IN ARIZONA? I need a contractor that can get the material and professionally install this? If anyone does this please contact me.
that sea grass panel looks real nice.
so if you have to nail the whole 4x10 panel all over it will look like crap if it comes in color fast and you have to touch up 75 holes per sheet
no spacing drainage need as it is a solid masonry construction
James Hardy originally an Australian company... was, they like to move their headquarters to where ever they can avoid paying their corporate taxes.
seems smart to me
Only 7 years too late for my house. We did regular Hardy Panel. Oh well.
Every stucco home I ever seen have no seems like a drywall inside they are troweled on
1:43 Look at the poor fit and finish here at this frame...and this is their Show Booth! Not easy to install IMO (Left hand panel above the plant)
I saw that, hey that a expansion air gap joint. Haaaaaaa
Hardie can’t even keep regular Hardie siding in stock how do they have time to make this?
THEY ARE ADDING A NEW FACTORY , MIGHT WANT TO WATCH THE VIDEO FIRST.
Well said, thanks... Some people just love complaining
Looks hard to clean and replace when damaged
3:03 hahaha an "air plane" that might be a bit confusing.
James Hardie new siding for 2022, available 2033.
is it guaranteed against wane and bowing 5 years after install? hundreds of JH sided, hud, track homes across the metroplex suffer from this
Too bad this product is unavailable.... I have been trying to get ahold of it for a while now. And sounds like James Hardie in typical fashion won't be producing any of it. Sad
I think stucco is stronger 💪
They need to figure out how to install it more efficiently. $28 sf installed is a bit out of touch.
What is the lawsuit for LP siding?
Why Is LP Siding Bad? - cant trust them after this!!!
Louisiana Pacific ended up paying out nearly one billion dollars to over 129,000 different claims. There was a massive recall and the LP itself has referred to the event as “one of the largest class-action lawsuits in the history of the siding industry.