Toney is an all time great. Didn't even train, he was so undisciplined he only sparred-and he was still great. All that damage absorbed in the gym adds up though, worse than any damage he took in fights in his prime.
Right, fights out of that Mongoose Crouch, Bill Miller had him watching endless tapes of Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe, Archie Moore, Sugar Ray Robinson. My fav boxer of all time, never ducked anybody....never.
James Toney is one of my favorite's boxers ever. A true gladiator they dont make them like that any more.....Peace Flyweight or your mamaweight...... :)
Tony has masters the art of relaxation in the Ring.Previously displayed by Archie Moore (whom he adopted and improved the style) George Foreman who was friends whit Archie Moore. And James Toney---Legend!
Exactly, punching with muscles will create lactic acid in your muscles, that's how u get fatigued and develop cramps. It took me almost a year to be completely relaxed and I can be more relaxed then I am already.
@4:35.."I don't care if you're fly weight or momma weight"lol....James Toney uses angles better than any other fighter I've seen. Also @1:16 take a look at how Toney uses the shoulder lean...One of the reasons people use the shoulder is to smother the opponent and break up their punching rhythm. if you watch this video, Toney is a master at doing this. Props to Terry Smith, but Toney knows how to work range very well. A true OLD SCHOOL FIGHTER.
I love James, no.1 he has a great character, no.2 he stands so strong on his boxing background, beat of luck to his debut again Randy, he is a true athlete
I love James Toney. He's the King of trash talk. I do have to agree with most people on here though. I also don't think he is the boxer to do big things in MMA. I'd love to see him drop somebody but I do think that he'll eventually get taken down and won't know how to defend himself unfortunately. Maybe his first opponent will want to try and make a statement against him and trade punches with him. Highly unlikely but if it did happen God help the MMA fighter.
Boxing is an art and james toney is picasso...look at the reflexes and instinct, watch closley and you'll see punches little sneaky punches come out of no where ..lol...good luck on saturday
@akthom toney done everything in boxin and hes a legend but hes now old and finishin of his career in ufc one last rumble and a whole new challenge u gotta respect him
he's sparring Terry Smith here. Good fighter. Check out my bout with him back in the day at the 2000 Eastern Trials. Rick Dufty boxing. aka Ricky D., Ricky Ricardo, Slick Rick, Dynamite Dufty, Rocket Rishard. Ya heard?
@joshkelly123 toney started out as a middleweight and moved up. I cant think of any active fighters besides mayweather who has better skills then toney had in his prime. but as far as accomplishments goes, toney is better then any active boxer today, in my opinion. who would u say is better then toney today?
not saying boxers still dont make more but the top mma guys make like half a million a fight like rampage, st. pierre, liddell, lesnar, and anderson silva all of them make around 6 million a year depending on if they fight more than twice a year
@HamerD Randy whooped Vera? What fight were you watching man? Vera rocked Randy twice in that fight, and as I recall Randy didn't land a single punch, he instead did nothing but lean on Vera the entire fight like they were huggin buddies. And yes, I do think a champion caliber heavyweight boxer strikes differently then a skinny kickboxer. Toney probably punches 3x as hard as Vera, and a clen left hook on the button will take you out much quicker than a partially blocked knee to the chin.
Toney is an example of a pure fighter. Never has been KO'ed or beaten badly. If he had dedicated himself to stay in shape Wow he would've been top 3 of all time. But he is still top ten his skills are unmatched. Only the Floyd mayweathers, royjones had that much natural talent from strat to finish in there careers and roy dont have the chin.
Thank you to a real boxing fan...I honestly believe that Roy Jones' legacy would be what it is today if he gave Toney a rematch...Stylistically, Toney and Roy are superior, but Toney's power would have shattered his jaw...ahahah holla!!!
@Sup3rShann0n but silva didn't win by hands. Chael rocked him twice on the feet. And Randy whipped Brandon Vera recently....who is also a top notch striker (muay thai). You think a knee to the face is any less knockout-worthy than a good hook? The other problem here is that Randy is not going to wait on top of JT. He will gnp the second he gets it down because Toney can't possibly have learned enough ground defence to do anything. Toney has a chance. But your analysis is awkward + misplaced
@HamerD ok. 420headband saidSilva could beat JT in a standup battle. I said that's rediculous. Yes, silva lost to chael in every aspect of that fight until 3 mins into the 5th when he threw on a hail Mary triangle. My analysis is this: if Toney uses distance and makes Randy chase him and tags him a few times standing, which will eventually cause Randy to shoot for sloppy double legs, he could frustrate Randy enough to try and trade with him. At this point it'd be lights out for Randy.
@RayPaterson i thumbed up but i still think that if people like anderson silva and gsp put theyre mind only into boxing they would be the leading boxers.. you can even see anderson silva has some earli boxing record but maybe the sport wasnt challenging enough for these savage technical monsters :P
@ston3pony Boxing is in the olympics. 'Nuff said. Go watch Kimbo Slice. When boxers are old and out of shape, they decide to fight in MMA because they can still make money doing that. It's kind of like NBA players playing over seas when they're too old to playin the NBA.
toney had to lose 40 lbs in 4 weeks for that fight ... if they were to fight NOW ...toney would eat JONES alive.. toney has never been hurt or knocked out OR exposed like roy jones has.
@bigtimmy727 You don't have to like the guy on a personal level to respect his incredible technical skill and prowess for the sweet science. Even at 41, anyone in the UFC would be stupid just stand and trade punches with him cause he'd knock them out. Leg kicks and doubles all day, let's hope his first opponent remembers that.
Uh... Boxers are Boxers because they're BETTER at what they do. UFC fighters would be boxers if they could. An average world champion fighter, fighting on HBO makes over a million a fight. The TOP MMA guy makes around 250K a fight. You do the math.
@residualrevenge your partly right, but "kids" never really did watch boxing,not even when it was at it greatest. It was always a mature sport. It's like in the 70ties and 80ties,kids where watching kungfu movies,bruce lee and all that. Once they grew up, they started watching boxing.Boxing fan does not care what is the most effecient on the street, does mature people care about street fights ? No. They simply want to watch what is most entertaining to them, so what is most efficient means jack.
I'm a huge fan of mma. I love Randy couture, but toneys Boxing is world class. It's similar to the silva vs sonnen scenario. Randy/chael are better wrestlers by leaps and bounds, but you have to get in range before you can take them down, and all it takes is 1 shot from either. So, what I'm sayin is for 15/25 mins, chael/Randy has to keep them on the ground, while silva/toney only need to be standing and punching fir a split second
@Sup3rShann0n Uhh Randy finished with a submission , GnP works also. Another thing is if Toney fought a guy like Shogun , he'd get his ass kicked from the kicks and knees lets get real David Haye wouldn't come and beat Overeem in MMA even if it stayed standing. That being said War Toney , hes a far greater legend than Couture in their respective sports in my opinion , love boxing.
@Sup3rShann0n Well , Toney is so slick no MMA or even K-1 fighter has seem movement like he has , I don't know if he could give guys like Badr , Saki , Overeem , Bojanski TONs of trouble but he could very well also. Yeah I was hoping he'd knock Coutures head off , he could have defended the takedowns better hes no spring chicken though , toney will always be the man irregardless blee'dat.
@bigtimmy727 "or even throw a few leg kicks then go up top and knock him the fuck out... " I've always wanted to ask one of you guys this. Are there sugar plum fairies in the magical land of MMA fan boy world?
honestly ur gonna see what gsp did to penn in their last fight, randy gonna take him down, make toney work hard on the ground for 1st round maybe second round fatigue and lactic acid build up around toneys shoulders which will make toneys boxing less of a threat. Or randy get's knocked out in 20secs :P
No road work, no bag work, no mitt work, just sparring for Toney while he's in camp. SAVAGE
Jc Shelley the KRONK way
Such a beautiful stlye. Toney is one of the most talented and skillful fighters ever. Lights out!
Toney is an all time great. Didn't even train, he was so undisciplined he only sparred-and he was still great. All that damage absorbed in the gym adds up though, worse than any damage he took in fights in his prime.
Right, fights out of that Mongoose Crouch, Bill Miller had him watching endless tapes of Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe, Archie Moore, Sugar Ray Robinson. My fav boxer of all time, never ducked anybody....never.
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James Toney is one of my favorite's boxers ever. A true gladiator they dont make them like that any more.....Peace
Flyweight or your mamaweight...... :)
the fact that they added Bumpy knuckles made this video 10x more better
Tony has masters the art of relaxation in the Ring.Previously displayed by Archie Moore (whom he adopted and improved the style)
George Foreman who was friends whit Archie Moore.
And James Toney---Legend!
James toneys idea for training was sparring, sparring, sparring, sparring, sparring, sparring, sparring, and more sparring.
Perfect combination of power and boxing skill.. Truly one 9f the best. Tough as teak right up there p4p greatest
i love him!! He's a genius
oh my word toney is unreal, he's on about 40% as well.
The Toney hate is real, and he's far from broke as well......I wonder how much some of ya'll have??
He’s worth 2 million and deserves more haters gonna hate
HAHAHA!! James said "somebody get him a Tampon" haahah!! Golden!
Exactly, punching with muscles will create lactic acid in your muscles, that's how u get fatigued and develop cramps. It took me almost a year to be completely relaxed and I can be more relaxed then I am already.
Classic toney! one of the most skilled boxers ever, he never gets hit by a clean shot. His record speaks for itself!!
one of the greatest talents ever!!!
@4:35.."I don't care if you're fly weight or momma weight"lol....James Toney uses angles better than any other fighter I've seen. Also @1:16 take a look at how Toney uses the shoulder lean...One of the reasons people use the shoulder is to smother the opponent and break up their punching rhythm. if you watch this video, Toney is a master at doing this. Props to Terry Smith, but Toney knows how to work range very well. A true OLD SCHOOL FIGHTER.
Man this is almost more exciting than a real boxing match!
That philly shell baby , ol ol school shit , one of my all times favourite’s James Lights Out Toney
1:43 when he slips the right uppercut.. Incredible.
I love James, no.1 he has a great character, no.2 he stands so strong on his boxing background, beat of luck to his debut again Randy, he is a true athlete
Would that qualify as a “gym war”?
That inside work by Toney is just beautiful and looked how relaxed he is. Coutre's never fought a guy like James Toney.
those sequence of punches are friggin amazing
in 3 years ive back to this video just to watch those punches
amazing
Should have, could have. James Toney IMO ranks with the very best ever.
@Socalplyr213 straight up old school, one of my favorite fighters and one of the few guys today who's almost impossible to hit clean.
gotta respect the m1an just watched his fight with jirov and I heard by this time he was only sparring for training if so that is incredible
toney never stops..he must have the brain of a pit bull..just lives to fight haha
James Toney appreciation.
3:54 left jab left hook.
yeh, toney is one crazy man
james toney true legend of the trade pitty he never stayed at light heavy
Bumpy Knucks to music is the same as James Toney to boxing. they go well together
"MUTHAFUCKIN FREDDY ROACH..PIMP OF THE EAST" LMAO
@johnosandra What regional tournaments have you won? I'm from the area, maybe I've heard of you.
@suprapower101 how did he test this? any links??
not tryna patronis ya.. actually interested
well, least toney was never put to sleep throughout his career....jones would never give him a rematch.
I'm an MMA fan but I'm rooting for James Toney by a first round KO. It would be scary to see James Toney's ground n' pound.
whats the name of the song/singer???
why is it that every james toney video has a bumpy knuckles soundtrack to it
toney's crazy
I saw that move. Pure class. BAM BAM.
@joshkelly123 then in your opinion, who in the boxing world, would you consider world class?
I love James Toney. He's the King of trash talk. I do have to agree with most people on here though. I also don't think he is the boxer to do big things in MMA. I'd love to see him drop somebody but I do think that he'll eventually get taken down and won't know how to defend himself unfortunately. Maybe his first opponent will want to try and make a statement against him and trade punches with him. Highly unlikely but if it did happen God help the MMA fighter.
this dude got a excellent chin
toney is the fucking man! period!
@mimiculmore No doubt, James Toney has landed punches on guys from literally out of nowhere from unbelievable angles - he truly is a master pugilist.
Boxing is an art and james toney is picasso...look at the reflexes and instinct, watch closley and you'll see punches little sneaky punches come out of no where ..lol...good luck on saturday
@akthom toney done everything in boxin and hes a legend but hes now old and finishin of his career in ufc one last rumble and a whole new challenge u gotta respect him
I'd rather pay to see more of this, then some of the UFC events.. lol
he's sparring Terry Smith here. Good fighter. Check out my bout with him back in the day at the 2000 Eastern Trials. Rick Dufty boxing. aka Ricky D., Ricky Ricardo, Slick Rick, Dynamite Dufty, Rocket Rishard. Ya heard?
whats the name of the tune???
@joshkelly123 toney started out as a middleweight and moved up. I cant think of any active fighters besides mayweather who has better skills then toney had in his prime. but as far as accomplishments goes, toney is better then any active boxer today, in my opinion. who would u say is better then toney today?
@onlyjoetee a relaxed muscle is has more power than a tensed muscle! fact.
what is the song ?
not saying boxers still dont make more but the top mma guys make like half a million a fight like rampage, st. pierre, liddell, lesnar, and anderson silva all of them make around 6 million a year depending on if they fight more than twice a year
anybody knows this song ?????
I call that one the "Micky Ward" nice!
Toney all day. Bet the house
they dont make fighters like this anymore
@HamerD Randy whooped Vera? What fight were you watching man? Vera rocked Randy twice in that fight, and as I recall Randy didn't land a single punch, he instead did nothing but lean on Vera the entire fight like they were huggin buddies. And yes, I do think a champion caliber heavyweight boxer strikes differently then a skinny kickboxer. Toney probably punches 3x as hard as Vera, and a clen left hook on the button will take you out much quicker than a partially blocked knee to the chin.
Toney is an example of a pure fighter.
Never has been KO'ed or beaten badly.
If he had dedicated himself to stay in shape Wow he would've been top 3 of all time. But he is still top ten his skills are unmatched. Only the Floyd mayweathers, royjones had that much natural talent from strat to finish in there careers and roy dont have the chin.
he could out box most if not all UFC heavyweights!
Toney is actually in decent shape here. Must be around the same time he fought Holyfield.
love to see Toney knockout Randy!
Toney would easily tag him coming in and it would be over.
@ciontay hes a very unusual person and a great fighter
@BringerOfTheTruth TONEYS TRUE OLD SCOOL
Thank you to a real boxing fan...I honestly believe that Roy Jones' legacy would be what it is today if he gave Toney a rematch...Stylistically, Toney and Roy are superior, but Toney's power would have shattered his jaw...ahahah holla!!!
@Sup3rShann0n but silva didn't win by hands. Chael rocked him twice on the feet. And Randy whipped Brandon Vera recently....who is also a top notch striker (muay thai). You think a knee to the face is any less knockout-worthy than a good hook?
The other problem here is that Randy is not going to wait on top of JT. He will gnp the second he gets it down because Toney can't possibly have learned enough ground defence to do anything.
Toney has a chance. But your analysis is awkward + misplaced
James Toney looks like a black Marlon Brando with a hint of Burt Reynolds .
@HamerD ok. 420headband saidSilva could beat JT in a standup battle. I said that's rediculous. Yes, silva lost to chael in every aspect of that fight until 3 mins into the 5th when he threw on a hail Mary triangle. My analysis is this: if Toney uses distance and makes Randy chase him and tags him a few times standing, which will eventually cause Randy to shoot for sloppy double legs, he could frustrate Randy enough to try and trade with him. At this point it'd be lights out for Randy.
he's a sick bastard, unbelievable fighter. Who let's people hit them?
@RayPaterson i thumbed up but i still think that if people like anderson silva and gsp put theyre mind only into boxing they would be the leading boxers.. you can even see anderson silva has some earli boxing record but maybe the sport wasnt challenging enough for these savage technical monsters :P
he has been heart by terry norris
@ston3pony Boxing is in the olympics. 'Nuff said. Go watch Kimbo Slice. When boxers are old and out of shape, they decide to fight in MMA because they can still make money doing that. It's kind of like NBA players playing over seas when they're too old to playin the NBA.
@faisalbatista right but look how many punches he's hittin' Terry with tho, i like Terry but Toney is givin' him the business
@makpak brits are probably the only ones who still follow some boxing
toney had to lose 40 lbs in 4 weeks for that fight ... if they were to fight NOW ...toney would eat JONES alive.. toney has never been hurt or knocked out OR exposed like roy jones has.
"vintage"? vintage toney would be a middleweight back in the early nineties
he can still clean up as a heavyweight though because hes so slick
.59 is classic double hook...he hurt Holyfield wit that one...
MMA > BOXING 24/7 . period.
@bigtimmy727 You don't have to like the guy on a personal level to respect his incredible technical skill and prowess for the sweet science. Even at 41, anyone in the UFC would be stupid just stand and trade punches with him cause he'd knock them out. Leg kicks and doubles all day, let's hope his first opponent remembers that.
@drwollow.....Looked like he was getting hit. The times he did he was so relaxed. Just a pro's pro.
id love to see this guy talk to tyson that way in his prime. which would equal death to toney.
@918Anon
I guarantee you, you live in a sheltered world of MMA fans and wouldn't know who more Americans know.
@tuopvm so is wrestling and judo a lot fighters are wrestlers and they mix that with boxing
Uh... Boxers are Boxers because they're BETTER at what they do. UFC fighters would be boxers if they could. An average world champion fighter, fighting on HBO makes over a million a fight. The TOP MMA guy makes around 250K a fight. You do the math.
@zoomboomboomroom song: 24 hrs; artist: Freddie Foxx
@residualrevenge your partly right, but "kids" never really did watch boxing,not even when it was at it greatest. It was always a mature sport. It's like in the 70ties and 80ties,kids where watching kungfu movies,bruce lee and all that. Once they grew up, they started watching boxing.Boxing fan does not care what is the most effecient on the street, does mature people care about street fights ? No. They simply want to watch what is most entertaining to them, so what is most efficient means jack.
@RayPaterson I agree, what a man
if he even grazes couture its over....if chuck can tag him....
@TreyMMA couture is a bigger name in mma than Toney is in boxing. couture is also a bigger name throughout america im sure
i think he should do MMA cuz it would seem like a safer options, the punches getin to him.
I'm a huge fan of mma. I love Randy couture, but toneys Boxing is world class. It's similar to the silva vs sonnen scenario. Randy/chael are better wrestlers by leaps and bounds, but you have to get in range before you can take them down, and all it takes is 1 shot from either. So, what I'm sayin is for 15/25 mins, chael/Randy has to keep them on the ground, while silva/toney only need to be standing and punching fir a split second
say what you want about james toney,.. but he can trash talk his own sparing partner better than anyone in the hw division right now
@Sup3rShann0n Uhh Randy finished with a submission , GnP works also. Another thing is if Toney fought a guy like Shogun , he'd get his ass kicked from the kicks and knees lets get real David Haye wouldn't come and beat Overeem in MMA even if it stayed standing. That being said War Toney , hes a far greater legend than Couture in their respective sports in my opinion , love boxing.
@RayPaterson Tony is training MMA way now.. that might whip him into better shape.
@Sup3rShann0n Well , Toney is so slick no MMA or even K-1 fighter has seem movement like he has , I don't know if he could give guys like Badr , Saki , Overeem , Bojanski TONs of trouble but he could very well also. Yeah I was hoping he'd knock Coutures head off , he could have defended the takedowns better hes no spring chicken though , toney will always be the man irregardless blee'dat.
@bigtimmy727
"or even throw a few leg kicks then go up top and knock him the fuck out... "
I've always wanted to ask one of you guys this. Are there sugar plum fairies in the magical land of MMA fan boy world?
honestly ur gonna see what gsp did to penn in their last fight, randy gonna take him down, make toney work hard on the ground for 1st round maybe second round fatigue and lactic acid build up around toneys shoulders which will make toneys boxing less of a threat.
Or randy get's knocked out in 20secs :P