Small clarification for the spell hit, in case new folks get confused. The 289/262 he lists represents the amount of hit you need from gear, which is 11% for horde, 10% for Alliance. You'll get 3% from the Shadow Focus talent, and 3% from the Misery debuff you will be putting up (1% from having a dranai in your alliance raid). Just know, on your stat sheet, you'll only see 11%/10% spell hit, but that's okay because of talents :)
Yeah good point, it's a party wide aura. And it has a range so you need to be within 30 yards of your group's draenei to benefit. But if you consistently have a draenei in your party then 262 is the way to go. Raid makers should try to optimize having a draenei in each group (if there's enough of course)
I was wondering if you could be so kind and show in a video your addons settings. Since I can't seem to figure out how to make dots visible above mobs like you I've seen you have. And got the addons that you've said you use. Thanks in advance and love your videos, super kind of you to share your knowledge! ///Kind regards
This video goes through my main addons (and plater, which it seems like you need help with) so let me know if this is what you're looking for ruclips.net/video/dT-u2PF2_MI/видео.html
Respecing one's talents for specific fights? Not going to happen for most players, that runs into serious gold and a group willing to wait for you to go out, pay for a respec and come back in between fights, and that generally doesn't happen. Most folks if the 2-spec they do a healing spec for their off spec in case of loss of healer for some reason, and thats generally done at the entering the raid/dungeon not during.
There’s not a ton of variation in the specs. Just use the basic popular one. It’s a min/max thing and it’s VERY minimal to switch per fight. You won’t notice a difference if you aren’t number crunching anyways. Also not buying the “it’s too expensive” excuse. You can make like 300ish gold in less than an hour just doing the daily dungeon and like a few other dailies. Gold is easy to make.
Then don't do that? He's talking strictly to Shadow Priest and mentioning that those spec changes can help. Not that they are necessary. If you're in a guild where a healer can just drop randomly and they don't have any backups, then just stay shadow/healer spec and stfu.
Some have the option. I do, for example. I'm not healing on my priest at all, so I have a second spec with the Vesax talent choices (like reduced threat), and it's not strictly needed, sure, but it is nice to have on that fight.
I do like your videos - i'm a long time shadow priest player that was AFK for two expansions and now came back to wrath - is there anyway a quartz profile ? thx and keep it going with the videos
Sorry quartz doesn’t export profiles, you can only save them between characters on an account. Honestly all I changed are the bar width and height, and I made the background a purple color
Thanks pants for this amazing guide! Couple of questions please If I have both scale and eng gloves, when is best to pop them? After 5 stacks of Shadow weaving buff? Lastly, I think you mentioned that you will talk about the saronite belt but I don't think you brought it up hehe. Thanks
On pull is generally best, shadow weaving stacks don’t matter for using those. If you check out the shadow priest sim you can see when the sim uses gloves/scale and that will be the best timing for you. And it was the saronite bombs I forgot to mention. Those are in my DP macro. It’s on the screen I just forgot to call it out. Thanks for mentioning that!
I have not found a solid answer on whether or not Black Magic enchant on weapon is worth it. It has a great proc chance so I feel like it might be comparable.
Black magic sims well but is bad in practice due to the randomness of procs. Can think about it the same way as dying curse or any trinket where the effect may happen at a bad time and you can’t get value out of it. I personally hate procs and prefer the permanent spell power from +63 spellpower enchant, so I’ll never use it. But it sims well so you can use it if you want
@@Pants_Gaming makes sense. I'm much more of a "risk the biscuit" type player lol. I like to roll the dice and hopefully it works out and sucks if it doesn't. Luckily I also raid with folks who aren't strict on how people "should" play.
Hey Pants, i get a LUA error on the Vampiric Touch Recast Timer in your Foji WA. VT is also the only dot that shows no duration in the interface. Is this a known problem? I just imported your WA.
I don't think glyph of shadowfiend is mandatory. Also cause of Anub fight Mind sear is glyph to take right now =) You still need to swap for glyph of dispersion, if tanking Algalon BB.
Believe me, if your shadowfiend ever gets clapped in an unlucky scenario right after summoning it, you will think that glyph is mandatory. Then it's better to have 5% extra mana than none.
Yeah shadowfiend is the only minor glyph that provides a combat benefit as everything else doesn't really matter. Would you really take 10 extra minutes on Shadow Protection instead of this? Because I don't see another minor glyph worth using And I didnt get into major glyph specifics because that's outside the scope of this video
Too hard to tell as it really depends on how blizz decides to balance it. In original Cata, Shadow didnt start off strong but finished the expansion as a top tier dps. Blizz also sent out a survey asking about changes to talents trees, which was about removing the fact that you had to reach the bottom talent in a tree before you could go into another one. If they changed this shadow priests could replace dispersion with Power Infusion which would be a big gain for dps. TLDR: No f'ing clue, but I'm optimistic
Hello pants, just wanna ask if there’s a voice on mf ticks option like gnosis has if we use quartz. Because if i check my logs with that sp analyzer i always see 300-400ish mf delays. Ty for all the sp content.
There are weakauras that allow you to upload a sound file. And you can download those sound files from wowhead. Check out passions priest WA suite and check out the mind flay tick WA Or you can do what Andreas suggested as I did that for a while before switching to the weakaura
@@hedehodohede i swapped to the weakaura now that pants mentioned it. 🤣 Uninstalled gnosis and quartz right away lol. Didnt know the aura could do it too.. bit ofc it could, im sure weakauras could create its own game inside of wow 🤣
no no no, the crit bonus doesn't get applied to dots. For max DPS always Mind Flay or Mind Sear in aoe situations. Worst case scenario can use on DP if you're running out of mana on longer fights
Hey pants thanks for the vid! Some really helpful information here especially the macros. I had one question though: if 2 piece 2 piece is realistic bis with at least 245 ilvl tier, why does it sim lower than my 4pc t8? Even when I sim 258 2pc it still shows as much lower than with 4pc t8. Is it a lack of haste on my gear? Currently at 523
No such thing as a lack of haste. Probably has to do with the slots you’re choosing, losing too much hit, using healer tier, or your sim settings. You should join the shadow priest discord and post in there as there’s too many things it could be for me to diagnose here discord.gg/classicshadow Or watch my realistic bis video and see if that helps you
@@Shadowfex That assumes you have some level of control. In a Guild that may not be true, and same with a random pick up group. One person does not assume what a party will consist of, who will tank or who will act as raid leader. Some specs/classes also hold agro better than others, and it's also always possible that something goes wrong that makes a tank lose aggro, or even gets DCed.
And WHY are you telling people to go into Heroics right off. Sorry but EVERYONE should do normal first so they can learn the mechanics safely then move up thru difficulty scale, it is how the game is designed. Otherwise you will just anger the raid/dungeon leaders by not knowing what to do.
You either don't actually play Wrath Classic, or just like hearing yourself talk. Heroics in Wrath Classic are literally minimally different than Normals. After I hit 80, I never touched a normal dungeon, and that's only after doing like 2 or 3 while leveling. They don't have the insane scaling that TBC heroics did. And as far as mechanics, 90% of them don't even have many "mechanics." Basic stuff. Stop being a prude. Titan Rune Beta arguably has the scaling issue. But as long as you have a few folks who know what they are doing, you can figure them out and be just fine.
@@Shadowfex Probably played more than you have, considering I started in Original BC back in the day (and retail until mid-BFA), and came back to classic from the week of server start onward. I've played every class, except DK, along the way, and every race except undead, over the years. How many hours of effort does it mean to you to be casual? Are you one of these "I play 60 hours a week" types? Or are you a raid logger who only logs in to a weekly raid or two? Everyone has a different lifestyle and ability to commit time. Casual is a derogatory term that people toss around but rarely define but use it as a form of hate speech (usually toxic players that toss it about).
@@andreaskarlsson5251 I am presuming that the advice is, as stated in the video, for someone fresh 80, with no experience with specific Raids & Dungeons involved, and that for me says someone who hasn't played them at all. Remember there are a lot of first time boosties around, which is what I presumed a good chunk of the video is for, rather than for someone that is a long term player. I take the video poster at their actual word when they say something.
Just started the game a week ago and priest is what I chose. Your vids have been such a big help. Thank you 🙏
You choose the right class! Priest is sooo much fun. All 3 specs in fact are lots of fun :)
Small clarification for the spell hit, in case new folks get confused. The 289/262 he lists represents the amount of hit you need from gear, which is 11% for horde, 10% for Alliance. You'll get 3% from the Shadow Focus talent, and 3% from the Misery debuff you will be putting up (1% from having a dranai in your alliance raid). Just know, on your stat sheet, you'll only see 11%/10% spell hit, but that's okay because of talents :)
Spacegoat in party, not raid. Better to go 289 in case you don't get a spacegoat in your party.
Yeah good point, it's a party wide aura. And it has a range so you need to be within 30 yards of your group's draenei to benefit. But if you consistently have a draenei in your party then 262 is the way to go. Raid makers should try to optimize having a draenei in each group (if there's enough of course)
11:51 Ah yes, the Horse Faction
fantastic guide loaded with info that covers everything, well done. Gave a Sub and a Like!
Horse Troll XD
Feel like pants is a bit too biased to alliance. Even slandering the mighty Horde! 🤣🤣
I was wondering if you could be so kind and show in a video your addons settings. Since I can't seem to figure out how to make dots visible above mobs like you I've seen you have. And got the addons that you've said you use.
Thanks in advance and love your videos, super kind of you to share your knowledge!
///Kind regards
This video goes through my main addons (and plater, which it seems like you need help with) so let me know if this is what you're looking for
ruclips.net/video/dT-u2PF2_MI/видео.html
Alliance VS Horses who will win? :D
As usuall great video, thank you!
Thanks for great information
Respecing one's talents for specific fights? Not going to happen for most players, that runs into serious gold and a group willing to wait for you to go out, pay for a respec and come back in between fights, and that generally doesn't happen. Most folks if the 2-spec they do a healing spec for their off spec in case of loss of healer for some reason, and thats generally done at the entering the raid/dungeon not during.
There’s not a ton of variation in the specs. Just use the basic popular one. It’s a min/max thing and it’s VERY minimal to switch per fight. You won’t notice a difference if you aren’t number crunching anyways.
Also not buying the “it’s too expensive” excuse. You can make like 300ish gold in less than an hour just doing the daily dungeon and like a few other dailies. Gold is easy to make.
Then don't do that? He's talking strictly to Shadow Priest and mentioning that those spec changes can help. Not that they are necessary. If you're in a guild where a healer can just drop randomly and they don't have any backups, then just stay shadow/healer spec and stfu.
Some have the option. I do, for example. I'm not healing on my priest at all, so I have a second spec with the Vesax talent choices (like reduced threat), and it's not strictly needed, sure, but it is nice to have on that fight.
The holy grail 💯
The "horse" faction indeed.
Don't forget to check out my livestreams on RUclips and Twitch where you can learn anything not mentioned here about shadow priest!
I do like your videos - i'm a long time shadow priest player that was AFK for two expansions and now came back to wrath - is there anyway a quartz profile ? thx and keep it going with the videos
Sorry quartz doesn’t export profiles, you can only save them between characters on an account. Honestly all I changed are the bar width and height, and I made the background a purple color
IM DRINKING SO MUCH MILK LEVELING
Troll is so strong, definitely going to play Horse !!!
Thanks
Glyph of Shadow Word: Death does have uses, and is a dps increase in certain situations.
never said it didnt have uses. but anyone watching this as a new shadow priest should never use it imo
You use Glyph of Mindflay, shadow, and dispersion(or mind sear) if you are raiding icc. Why would you use glyph of shadow word:pain ?
Thanks pants for this amazing guide!
Couple of questions please
If I have both scale and eng gloves, when is best to pop them? After 5 stacks of Shadow weaving buff?
Lastly, I think you mentioned that you will talk about the saronite belt but I don't think you brought it up hehe.
Thanks
On pull is generally best, shadow weaving stacks don’t matter for using those. If you check out the shadow priest sim you can see when the sim uses gloves/scale and that will be the best timing for you.
And it was the saronite bombs I forgot to mention. Those are in my DP macro. It’s on the screen I just forgot to call it out. Thanks for mentioning that!
Hey bro great video, do you have any plans to make guides for Cata Classic for spriest?
yup. hopefully we get the beta soon
6:46 Why would the single target rotation opener start with VT?
It would be logical to start with DP as it's an instant cast and lasts longer?!
precasting 101: always start with a spell with a cast time
6:27 nice bomb kekw. Great content, though. Shadowy friends are spoiled.
I have not found a solid answer on whether or not Black Magic enchant on weapon is worth it. It has a great proc chance so I feel like it might be comparable.
Black magic sims well but is bad in practice due to the randomness of procs. Can think about it the same way as dying curse or any trinket where the effect may happen at a bad time and you can’t get value out of it.
I personally hate procs and prefer the permanent spell power from +63 spellpower enchant, so I’ll never use it. But it sims well so you can use it if you want
@@Pants_Gaming makes sense. I'm much more of a "risk the biscuit" type player lol. I like to roll the dice and hopefully it works out and sucks if it doesn't. Luckily I also raid with folks who aren't strict on how people "should" play.
Hey Pants, i get a LUA error on the Vampiric Touch Recast Timer in your Foji WA. VT is also the only dot that shows no duration in the interface. Is this a known problem? I just imported your WA.
Can you help me brother,for priest disc,how to rotation, gear and talent glyph,thank you.
i dont know why but my foji priest UI doesnt show the VT SWD and DP debuff tracker pls help
Whats your opener, how do you get to 5 shadow wraving for your swp
Should i alter my rotation in anyway with 4 peace T10?
Nice thank you, just one question, with what spell we should use inner focus?
For max DPS always Mind Flay or Mind Sear in aoe situations. Worst case scenario can use on DP if you're running out of mana on longer fights
Divine Hymn
I don't think glyph of shadowfiend is mandatory. Also cause of Anub fight Mind sear is glyph to take right now =) You still need to swap for glyph of dispersion, if tanking Algalon BB.
Believe me, if your shadowfiend ever gets clapped in an unlucky scenario right after summoning it, you will think that glyph is mandatory. Then it's better to have 5% extra mana than none.
Yeah shadowfiend is the only minor glyph that provides a combat benefit as everything else doesn't really matter. Would you really take 10 extra minutes on Shadow Protection instead of this? Because I don't see another minor glyph worth using
And I didnt get into major glyph specifics because that's outside the scope of this video
what is this cast bar?
Hello, do you fix this FPS problem?
I was gonna leave a troll comment but I actually like your video and found it helpful. Even if you called me a 🐎.
im hoping to be a horse one day soon
FOR THE HORSE 👹
Is it worth dotting up the opposite color on twins?
Yes! I have a video coming out today that will explain it all
How good will spriest be in cataclysm do you have an idea?
Too hard to tell as it really depends on how blizz decides to balance it. In original Cata, Shadow didnt start off strong but finished the expansion as a top tier dps.
Blizz also sent out a survey asking about changes to talents trees, which was about removing the fact that you had to reach the bottom talent in a tree before you could go into another one. If they changed this shadow priests could replace dispersion with Power Infusion which would be a big gain for dps.
TLDR: No f'ing clue, but I'm optimistic
@@Pants_Gaming Alright thank you. Hope they make spriest great tbh.
Hello pants, just wanna ask if there’s a voice on mf ticks option like gnosis has if we use quartz. Because if i check my logs with that sp analyzer i always see 300-400ish mf delays. Ty for all the sp content.
I believe not.
Use gnosis for the sound but hide the castbars. That way you get the sound but cn use quartz too
There are weakauras that allow you to upload a sound file. And you can download those sound files from wowhead. Check out passions priest WA suite and check out the mind flay tick WA
Or you can do what Andreas suggested as I did that for a while before switching to the weakaura
Thank you both for the responses, will try both.
@@hedehodohede i swapped to the weakaura now that pants mentioned it. 🤣 Uninstalled gnosis and quartz right away lol. Didnt know the aura could do it too.. bit ofc it could, im sure weakauras could create its own game inside of wow 🤣
What spell do you usually use Inner focus on
With a 2 or 4 from t9, VT. You want it to crit for its duration as swp and dp have a shorter duration and are procd/reapplied as you mf
no no no, the crit bonus doesn't get applied to dots. For max DPS always Mind Flay or Mind Sear in aoe situations. Worst case scenario can use on DP if you're running out of mana on longer fights
has ur UI/elvui/etc. imports changed at all? can you update them? :)
Nothings changed. They’re still up to date
Hey pants thanks for the vid! Some really helpful information here especially the macros. I had one question though: if 2 piece 2 piece is realistic bis with at least 245 ilvl tier, why does it sim lower than my 4pc t8? Even when I sim 258 2pc it still shows as much lower than with 4pc t8. Is it a lack of haste on my gear? Currently at 523
No such thing as a lack of haste. Probably has to do with the slots you’re choosing, losing too much hit, using healer tier, or your sim settings. You should join the shadow priest discord and post in there as there’s too many things it could be for me to diagnose here
discord.gg/classicshadow
Or watch my realistic bis video and see if that helps you
Your Talent Build shows a lot of confidence in your tank's ability to hold aggro.
If you're tank can't hold aggro in Wrath, get a new tank.
@@Shadowfex That assumes you have some level of control. In a Guild that may not be true, and same with a random pick up group. One person does not assume what a party will consist of, who will tank or who will act as raid leader.
Some specs/classes also hold agro better than others, and it's also always possible that something goes wrong that makes a tank lose aggro, or even gets DCed.
pog
FOR THE 🐴🐴🐴
And now they're nerfing them even more. GG
In what way?
And WHY are you telling people to go into Heroics right off. Sorry but EVERYONE should do normal first so they can learn the mechanics safely then move up thru difficulty scale, it is how the game is designed. Otherwise you will just anger the raid/dungeon leaders by not knowing what to do.
Or just join them and ask if theres something you dont know. :)
You either don't actually play Wrath Classic, or just like hearing yourself talk. Heroics in Wrath Classic are literally minimally different than Normals. After I hit 80, I never touched a normal dungeon, and that's only after doing like 2 or 3 while leveling. They don't have the insane scaling that TBC heroics did. And as far as mechanics, 90% of them don't even have many "mechanics." Basic stuff. Stop being a prude.
Titan Rune Beta arguably has the scaling issue. But as long as you have a few folks who know what they are doing, you can figure them out and be just fine.
Bc H++ is easy enough to be carried through? Are you a casual?
@@Shadowfex Probably played more than you have, considering I started in Original BC back in the day (and retail until mid-BFA), and came back to classic from the week of server start onward. I've played every class, except DK, along the way, and every race except undead, over the years.
How many hours of effort does it mean to you to be casual? Are you one of these "I play 60 hours a week" types? Or are you a raid logger who only logs in to a weekly raid or two? Everyone has a different lifestyle and ability to commit time. Casual is a derogatory term that people toss around but rarely define but use it as a form of hate speech (usually toxic players that toss it about).
@@andreaskarlsson5251 I am presuming that the advice is, as stated in the video, for someone fresh 80, with no experience with specific Raids & Dungeons involved, and that for me says someone who hasn't played them at all.
Remember there are a lot of first time boosties around, which is what I presumed a good chunk of the video is for, rather than for someone that is a long term player. I take the video poster at their actual word when they say something.
can u link me ur discord ? i have trouble to setup the WA with sounds for mindflay