Really? Road to 56 told me sinkiang fell after Tunganistan pushed back sinkiang and conquered it while at war with the ussr and somehow got an achievement called “ And I took that personally”
Minor correction: Shicai was not the first Xinjiang governor to turn to the Soviets. It was the previous governor Jin Shuren, as he had signed an arms treaty with the USSR a year prior. In doing so he incurred the wrath of the KMT, then Shicai overthrew him but continued Soviet aid. Otherwise, great video! You earned a sub.
Good video but missing a crucial historical point in 1945: Stalin demanded Mongolia's independence in exchange for aiding Chiang-Kai Shek against the Japanese. He claimed the demand was legitimate because of Mongolia's geographical position as a stronghold against future Japanese expansion. He didn't demand the same for the Three Districts of Sinkiang, despite geographically being in the same "Line of Defence" as Mongolia. Why? Still haven't been able to find a clear historical answer for this.
Japan didn't get to Xinjiang. They did attempt to attack Mongolia at Khalkhin-gol but were humbled so badly they decided to never go near Mongolia again.
Huh, I was always curious about that country and the warlord era, I’m glad I stumbled upon this video, I really liked the editing and that it got to the point quickly and didn’t ramble on about anything, I’m really looking forward to the next videos from this channel
A better question is why they gave up on Manchuria. Russian Empire wanted it and even controlled for a time and Stalin effectively fully conquered the region. Manchuria could have been very useful to USSR due to its trading location, securing Mongolia, bordering with Korea or simply stripping China out of land
Geopolitics changed a lot once ww2 ended. Countries no longer expanded by annexation but through having satellite states. No doubt the Russian empire was slowly chipping away at china, they had just cut off Mongolia and were weakening western china before ww1 killed the Russian empire. Soviet Union in between ww1 and ww2 was focused on getting back as many lost former territories as possible while after ww2 was focused on expanding its influence and securing satellite sates around its borders to use as a buffer. Warsaw pact in Europe as a buffer to the west, Afghanistan in Central Asia in the south, and Mongolia and china to the east. Another point is the Soviet Union needed allies to help it in the untied nations which formed after ww2
Manchuria had already been recognized as Chinese soil in Cairo Declaration in 1943 by USA and Great Britain, and then again in Potsdam Declaration in 1945 by the two forementioned. Had Stalin challenge this issue, he would have a really hard time. Instead he adhered to the liquidation of Manchuria as a powerful pro-Japanese state which would eventually threaten the Soviet Far East and Eastern Siberia.
It would be more nuanced if you could distinguish between the islamists and the secular nationalists (or pan-nationalists) among the turkic peoples of Xinjiang. These two currents are often intermingling but nevertheless distinct, arising from the clash between traditional authority and the reformist Jadid movement, but they are often unwarrantedly confused.
@@aidenbooksmith2351 I don't really know much, either. That's why I'm asking. Most of what I know is about their relationship with the Soviets. Both factions collaborated with the Soviets in the Ili Rebellion and the establishment of the Second East Turkistan Republic, but the Soviets later backed the left-wing nationalists to purge the right-wing islamists. Later on, after the PLA took over Xinjiang, many of the prominent nationalists died in a mysterious plane crash in the Soviet Union when they were en route to the constitutional congress of the PRC.
The Turks in East Turkestan would be more islamists then secular nationalist, the secularist reforms and laicism was not extended into East Turkestan but the connections with Turkish republic and east Turkestan was successful (although Turkish government did nothing for east Turkestan and now erdogan isn't even talking about east Turkestan) this means that east Turkestan would be fully islamists neither then secular nationalist. But who knows maybe in an alternative timeline this could change by adopting Kemalist reforms. I wish independence for my east turkestans friends
You're not wrong, however the word 'peacefully' is used here because the armed forces of the East Turkestan Republic did not put up any resistance to the PLA (even though their leadership considered it). And in the immediate aftermath of the annexation there was (as far as the scientific consensus goes) very little to no violence in the region. The repressions against the Uyghurs began a bit later.
Strictly speaking the legal discrimination against the Uyghurs began in 2014 with the 'People's war on terror', announced following the 2009 riots in Xinjiang. Obviously the Chinese government has taken action against Uyghur nationalists prior to 2014, but its difficult to pinpoint exactly when it started (the start date is definitely at some point preceding the Cultural Revolution). But regardless, the point here is that the (Second) East Turkestan Republic held a monopoly on Uyghur separatism and when its leadership announced it would voluntarily merge into Mao's China there was no immediate resistance from the Uyghurs. This is in part down to the fact that the Chinese Communists promised autonomy for the Uyghurs and in part because most of the Uyghur nationalist leaders had been purged by the Soviet Union, fled Xinjiang or suspiciously died in a plane crash.
@@YaboyShaheerby they pls elaborate on who you mean. is it the millions of nationalist Chinese living in Xinjiang before the Communist took over China, or the hui and uighurs who fought on the side of the Nationalist, or the radical islamist uighurs who wanted to kick out han, hui, kazakhs, Russians, mongols, Dzungars etc from Xinjiang and claim the whole province for themselves? who exactly from this group is being tortured since the communist party came to power
@ that’s not even close to the same thing. The Uyghurs are facing actually government persecution of their culture and language. The Chinese government wants to pretend they’re not even an ethnic group and they’re just Chinese, same as Tibetans, and forcibly assimilate them both If you celebrate that you’re celebrating persecuting and cultural genocide which no, is not what’s happening in the US at all but it is happening in China
[Uyghurs are not indigenous to Xinjiang] Uighurs are not the original inhabitants of the Western Regions (now Xinjiang). Han people came to Xinjiang earlier than Uighurs! Why can't it be changed to Xinjiang Province for Han people? Therefore, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region should be abolished immediately and the Han Xinjiang Province should be restored! The policy of hostility towards the Han people should not continue, otherwise it will bring disaster to future generations! It will be a disgrace for thousands of years! Future generations will rub their backs!!!
The Han people governed Xinjiang earlier than the Turks. The Han murals and scrolls unearthed from the Astana ancient tombs in Xinjiang date from the Jin Dynasty (265 AD) to the 9th century AD. Most of the ancient tombs are buried with Han people. At this time in 265 AD, the Turks had not yet come to Xinjiang (or even appeared). This proves that the Han people operating Xinjiang appeared in Mobei outside Xinjiang much earlier than the 6th century. (present-day Outer Mongolia) and later invaded by the Turks
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Amazing. Any chance you could do a video about Manchuria and why the russian empire nor the Soviet union ended up not taking or being able to take it despite wanting to?
@@ousarlxsfjsbvbg8588 They decided this as they knew that China (wether PRC or ROC) would not accept any foreign occupier that close to Bejing and that it would eventually lead to a conflict.
@@RK-cj4oc China at the time and for the foreseeable future was too weak to take it back by force so I’m not sure that was the main reason. I think they simply wanted to help out the Chinese communists.
so do we forget that Soviets really helped mao forces to win against the kuomintang and pretend it didn't happen? the Soviet Manchuria cession to them after they liberate it from the japanese?
We're of course not ignoring that the Soviet Union was very closely cooperating with the CCP, but the point is that Sino-Soviet relations had not been perfect, even before the Sino-Soviet split happened. The topic at hand is one of the instances that make that very obvious. Stalin sought an imbalanced relationship with China, in which the Soviet Union would have the say. For this to work, the CCP needed to win the civil war, while also not be too powerful to be controllable. This may not been scientific consensus, but I'm confident that the Soviet leadership would have much preferred to keep Manchuria under its own control and not hand it over to China (as they did with Mongolia, Tuva and Lüshun). However under the specific circumstances , under which Manchuria fell under Soviet control, keeping Manchuria would have meant alienating Mao and the CCP and was thus not a viable option, because alienating the Chinese Communists would undermine any Soviet aspiration to control them. TL;DR: Yes, the Soviets were on Mao's side, but the two were playing a tug of war of their own (which people tend to forget).
@@HistorySpeedrun17 yes if soviets keep manchuria Mao would've lost since that's were they retreat after they were defeated by Kuomintang to gain strength time to time.
Sinkiang cannot be like Mongolia because of the different situation, there were almost no Chinese soldiers in Mongolia before it became an independent country, when Mongolia declared independence, automatically a large number of Soviet soldiers were placed in Mongolia as protectors of the Mongolian state (under Soviet supervision). while there were a large number of Chinese soldiers in Sinkiang (that was a reaction to what happened in Mongolia). before Sinkiang became a Soviet puppet, it was necessary to remove the Chinese soldiers from Sinkiang, the task fell to the Uyghur rebels who ended in failure, then Sinkiang became what it is now. then couldn't the Soviets easily take over Sinkiang when China was in chaos? the Soviets could have done it at the risk of putting the Soviets in a long-term war status that Russia could not possibly finance against China besides opening up the possibility of cornering the possibility of an alliance between the Soviets and Chinese communists, and opening up the possibility of an alliance between China and Japan that threatened the position of Soviet Russia in the Far East/outer Manchuria.
Another point was the local political structure at that time. Historically, the Mongolian local chieftains never really wanted to be separated from the Yellow River due to economic reasons. At the same time, they wanted to be part of a Yellow River entity on terms favorable to them. The declaration of independence back then meant very little since the Yellow River was in a mess. The chieftains could always argue later that they declared independence from a regime but not necessarily from the wider state. Given the historical nomadic nature of the Mongols, independence was sometimes a flexible concept. The Soviet Special Military Operation 🙄🙄 changed the nature of Mongolian politics. Meanwhile Stalin not only maintained some social distancing from the Chinese Reds but also from the Mongolian Reds. Back then, it was not so sure who would win the Yellow River. The Blues managed to de-militarize 90% of the Chinese Reds before the Japs ruined the whole effort. A republic, in the Soviet sense, was not necessarily an independent sovereign nation. If a Red Mongolia re-integrated into China could help turn all of China Red, Stalin might not really objected. Chiang Sr's elder son was married to a Russian-Soviet woman. They had 4 kids together. Stalin did not raise the Mongolian issue until Yalta in 1945. Partly because of this, some contemporary maps from 1912 to 1949 continued to depict Mongolia as part of ROC.
Sikiang was notably not a breakway state but one of many chinese warlords unlike Mongolia who did not claim to still be part of China. The best comparision to Sikiang is the Anhui clique that ruled Mongolia for a few years before Baron Von Ungern kicked them out, the Anhui clique where chinese military officers that controlled all of Mongolia despite the majority mongol population.
Really good video! I think you should consider putting your sources in the description. It gives you more credibility, and helps people researching the topic
[Uyghurs are not indigenous to Xinjiang] Uighurs are not the original inhabitants of the Western Regions (now Xinjiang). Han people came to Xinjiang earlier than Uighurs! Why can't it be changed to Xinjiang Province for Han people? Therefore, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region should be abolished immediately and the Han Xinjiang Province should be restored! The policy of hostility towards the Han people should not continue, otherwise it will bring disaster to future generations! It will be a disgrace for thousands of years! Future generations will rub their backs!!!
In short: Say you want to have the animation go from map A to map B. In your video editing software, you overlay map B over map A (you place B above A in the timeline) in a way that you can only see map B. Then, you put a mask over map B (when you put a mask over map B, the are that you select as the mask is the only part of B that is visible. That means if you set the mask to 0% size B becomes completely invisible and you should now be seeing A). Now you set one key frame to where you want the animation to start and one to where you want it to finish. On the key frame where the animation is supposed to finish, you set the mask size to 100%. That means that between your two key frames, the size of the mask goes from 0% to 100%, bit by bit revealing changes in the map.
The soviets never had the same degree of control and kinship with Sinkiang that they had with Mongolia because the Sinkiang warlord rulers where opportunists and not even slightly interested in communism, in the counterpart Mongolia was a socialist state ruled by a civilian communist party.
You forgot about Tannu Tuva. The Tuvan People's Republic did apply for annexation later, but not by the time the events you talked about occurred. It should've been shown as independent like Mongolia not incorporated into the USSR
[Uyghurs are not indigenous to Xinjiang] Uighurs are not the original inhabitants of the Western Regions (now Xinjiang). Han people came to Xinjiang earlier than Uighurs! Why can't it be changed to Xinjiang Province for Han people? Therefore, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region should be abolished immediately and the Han Xinjiang Province should be restored! The policy of hostility towards the Han people should not continue, otherwise it will bring disaster to future generations! It will be a disgrace for thousands of years! Future generations will rub their backs!!!
The Han people governed Xinjiang earlier than the Turks. The Han murals and scrolls unearthed from the Astana ancient tombs in Xinjiang date from the Jin Dynasty (265 AD) to the 9th century AD. Most of the ancient tombs are buried with Han people. At this time in 265 AD, the Turks had not yet come to Xinjiang (or even appeared). This proves that the Han people operating Xinjiang appeared in Mobei outside Xinjiang much earlier than the 6th century. (present-day Outer Mongolia) and later invaded by the Turks
Isn't that USSR funded and help mao as well? That's why they win against the nationalists, And stop cooperating with Chang kai chek after Sun passed away also Lenin. So the predecessor of what sun yat sen received help from Soviet Russia was now between mao and the Kuomintang nationalist who's btw cooperating in Moscow before and now fighting for dominance in China after Sun passed and China was disunited during that time as well. I think you forgot to mention that aswell in additional Russia were ready to give up some Chinese territory incorporated to empire of Russia after the Soviets took over.
btw. the reason Mongolia wasn't annexed is because the Soviets wanted to keep the option open to give it back to China, but they never needed the bargaining chip. And later they missed the WW2 time window where you could simply annex stuff especially since the soviets called themselves antiimperialist and cultivated an image of anti colonialists.
Imagine the two superpowers, both USSR and US, don't want Xinjiang be part of China. They tried everything from military riot to smearing of genocide. Heck, Xinjiang is still part of China and importantly the people are getting better and better lives.
@@stephenanton660 Ehhh This Argument Can Go Sideways If You Think About It Not That This Site Is Not A Good Place To Holher Around Ideas At Eachother
Diversity of different ethnicity and culture are much celebrated in many countries of large enough size, US, Brazil, Russia and also India. But when it comes to China, all the sudden, diversity is viewed as a bad thing. How come? The belief is that diversity can only exist in white-majority countries, but not Chinese? Then that's some serious racism, against the exact notion that diversity and tolerance are universal human value.
I am from China. Although China always says that it has many ethnic groups and cultures, they always assimilate other ethnic groups. East Turkestan, Tibet, Inner Mongolia, and Manchukuo were all Chinese colonies.
Muscovy is now a Han-Chinese colony - while still foolishly dreaming of empire. commie Han-China has ALREADY declared part of Moscow empire as its territory on new official maps China's state-owned Standard Map Service has presented a set of geographic maps for 2023, on which for the first time part of Moscow's territory is indicated as part of China. It is about the Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island on the Amur River. Moscow wants to allow deforestation and transfer of land near Lake Baikal to private ownership (read- into commie China´s hands ) commie Han-China takes advantage of Moscow empire 's weakened position. Believe nothing else! Its not personal. Its strictly business....The future China - Muscovite wars will be around water resources and the reclaiming of outer Manchuria to settle a 19c. unequal treaty.
@yusupjanadil3132 [Uyghurs are not indigenous to Xinjiang] Uighurs are not the original inhabitants of the Western Regions (now Xinjiang). Han people came to Xinjiang earlier than Uighurs! Why can't it be changed to Xinjiang Province for Han people? Therefore, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region should be abolished immediately and the Han Xinjiang Province should be restored! The policy of hostility towards the Han people should not continue, otherwise it will bring disaster to future generations! It will be a disgrace for thousands of years! Future generations will rub their backs!!!
hoi4 told me that if world tension went up sinkiang would join the Comintern
This is the correct answer.
Really? Road to 56 told me sinkiang fell after Tunganistan pushed back sinkiang and conquered it while at war with the ussr and somehow got an achievement called “ And I took that personally”
that game fucking sucks
Minor correction: Shicai was not the first Xinjiang governor to turn to the Soviets. It was the previous governor Jin Shuren, as he had signed an arms treaty with the USSR a year prior. In doing so he incurred the wrath of the KMT, then Shicai overthrew him but continued Soviet aid. Otherwise, great video! You earned a sub.
Also it's pronounced like shih-tsai
They gave it up in reality was because it was sinking. 😂
mid humor
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@@Elyasomeedshan yes?
Soviet give it up but take the north east of China, if uyghurs can have a country of course the other turkic group will also want to independen
Good video but missing a crucial historical point in 1945: Stalin demanded Mongolia's independence in exchange for aiding Chiang-Kai Shek against the Japanese. He claimed the demand was legitimate because of Mongolia's geographical position as a stronghold against future Japanese expansion. He didn't demand the same for the Three Districts of Sinkiang, despite geographically being in the same "Line of Defence" as Mongolia. Why? Still haven't been able to find a clear historical answer for this.
Japan didn't get to Xinjiang. They did attempt to attack Mongolia at Khalkhin-gol but were humbled so badly they decided to never go near Mongolia again.
@@sanneoi6323 It is a possible answer for Stalin not pointing any legitimacy of independence for the Three Districts.
@@ΚώσταςΤσιναρίδης Well the Three Districts are just the same as any other part of China while Mongolia has an actual reason to exist.
Huh, I was always curious about that country and the warlord era, I’m glad I stumbled upon this video, I really liked the editing and that it got to the point quickly and didn’t ramble on about anything, I’m really looking forward to the next videos from this channel
Thank you! I reckon I will make a couple more videos on the warlord era at some point in the future.
A better question is why they gave up on Manchuria. Russian Empire wanted it and even controlled for a time and Stalin effectively fully conquered the region. Manchuria could have been very useful to USSR due to its trading location, securing Mongolia, bordering with Korea or simply stripping China out of land
Geopolitics changed a lot once ww2 ended. Countries no longer expanded by annexation but through having satellite states. No doubt the Russian empire was slowly chipping away at china, they had just cut off Mongolia and were weakening western china before ww1 killed the Russian empire. Soviet Union in between ww1 and ww2 was focused on getting back as many lost former territories as possible while after ww2 was focused on expanding its influence and securing satellite sates around its borders to use as a buffer. Warsaw pact in Europe as a buffer to the west, Afghanistan in Central Asia in the south, and Mongolia and china to the east. Another point is the Soviet Union needed allies to help it in the untied nations which formed after ww2
Manchuria had already been recognized as Chinese soil in Cairo Declaration in 1943 by USA and Great Britain, and then again in Potsdam Declaration in 1945 by the two forementioned. Had Stalin challenge this issue, he would have a really hard time. Instead he adhered to the liquidation of Manchuria as a powerful pro-Japanese state which would eventually threaten the Soviet Far East and Eastern Siberia.
@@ΚώσταςΤσιναρίδης Didn't know that, good to know
@@BartlomiejDmowski History of Far East is very fascinating, indeed!
Because they where friends with Mao
This is surprisingly pretty informative
It would be more nuanced if you could distinguish between the islamists and the secular nationalists (or pan-nationalists) among the turkic peoples of Xinjiang. These two currents are often intermingling but nevertheless distinct, arising from the clash between traditional authority and the reformist Jadid movement, but they are often unwarrantedly confused.
Very pertinent remark!
Wow, very enlightening. Thanks for telling us.
Can you tell me more about this distinction?
@@aidenbooksmith2351 I don't really know much, either. That's why I'm asking.
Most of what I know is about their relationship with the Soviets. Both factions collaborated with the Soviets in the Ili Rebellion and the establishment of the Second East Turkistan Republic, but the Soviets later backed the left-wing nationalists to purge the right-wing islamists. Later on, after the PLA took over Xinjiang, many of the prominent nationalists died in a mysterious plane crash in the Soviet Union when they were en route to the constitutional congress of the PRC.
The Turks in East Turkestan would be more islamists then secular nationalist, the secularist reforms and laicism was not extended into East Turkestan but the connections with Turkish republic and east Turkestan was successful (although Turkish government did nothing for east Turkestan and now erdogan isn't even talking about east Turkestan) this means that east Turkestan would be fully islamists neither then secular nationalist. But who knows maybe in an alternative timeline this could change by adopting Kemalist reforms. I wish independence for my east turkestans friends
@@mapperofalthistory03
I am a uyghur your comment really make my day batter thanks a lot 😊
this was a good video.
All the best for your RUclips career
Thank you a lot!
@@HistorySpeedrun17 Yeah this was very well made!
RUclips just recommended this to me and I'm glad it did. Clear, concise, yet also detailed; a good video. Liked, shared and subscribed.
Peacefully...
they're tortured to this day
You're not wrong, however the word 'peacefully' is used here because the armed forces of the East Turkestan Republic did not put up any resistance to the PLA (even though their leadership considered it). And in the immediate aftermath of the annexation there was (as far as the scientific consensus goes) very little to no violence in the region. The repressions against the Uyghurs began a bit later.
@@HistorySpeedrun17 a bit?
Strictly speaking the legal discrimination against the Uyghurs began in 2014 with the 'People's war on terror', announced following the 2009 riots in Xinjiang. Obviously the Chinese government has taken action against Uyghur nationalists prior to 2014, but its difficult to pinpoint exactly when it started (the start date is definitely at some point preceding the Cultural Revolution). But regardless, the point here is that the (Second) East Turkestan Republic held a monopoly on Uyghur separatism and when its leadership announced it would voluntarily merge into Mao's China there was no immediate resistance from the Uyghurs. This is in part down to the fact that the Chinese Communists promised autonomy for the Uyghurs and in part because most of the Uyghur nationalist leaders had been purged by the Soviet Union, fled Xinjiang or suspiciously died in a plane crash.
@@YaboyShaheerby they pls elaborate on who you mean. is it the millions of nationalist Chinese living in Xinjiang before the Communist took over China, or the hui and uighurs who fought on the side of the Nationalist, or the radical islamist uighurs who wanted to kick out han, hui, kazakhs, Russians, mongols, Dzungars etc from Xinjiang and claim the whole province for themselves? who exactly from this group is being tortured since the communist party came to power
Thank to USSR , Mongolian not assimilated or sinocized by the Cheena
Thanks to USSR, they have to use their stupid writing system 🤣
Thanks to USSR Mongolia is still a developing poor country today that has lost their traditional writing system
Thanks to the Russians, Mongolia no longer has a great empire
@@alexrator7674 Or they'd have an even more "stupid" one 💀
You deserted south Mongolia
Very good for a first video! I will see where this channel goes
I believe this channel will still grow a lot
Severely underrated channel, I love the map animations and the clear explanation (with enough detail too!)
The east turkestan republic flag was actually blue not green.
You deserve way more than just 33 subs! I can’t wait to see more of your content in the future
That’s really sad. Uyghurs went from 95% to 44% of the population in their own country in less than a century
Tibet is going the same way
you mean went from 0% to 44%
bet you are also one of those people who is sad about white population in the US "decreasing" from 80.7% in 1790 to 60.6% in 2020🤣🤣🤣
@ that’s not even close to the same thing. The Uyghurs are facing actually government persecution of their culture and language. The Chinese government wants to pretend they’re not even an ethnic group and they’re just Chinese, same as Tibetans, and forcibly assimilate them both
If you celebrate that you’re celebrating persecuting and cultural genocide which no, is not what’s happening in the US at all but it is happening in China
[Uyghurs are not indigenous to Xinjiang]
Uighurs are not the original inhabitants of the Western Regions (now Xinjiang). Han people came to Xinjiang earlier than Uighurs! Why can't it be changed to Xinjiang Province for Han people?
Therefore, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region should be abolished immediately and the Han Xinjiang Province should be restored!
The policy of hostility towards the Han people should not continue, otherwise it will bring disaster to future generations! It will be a disgrace for thousands of years! Future generations will rub their backs!!!
The Han people governed Xinjiang earlier than the Turks. The Han murals and scrolls unearthed from the Astana ancient tombs in Xinjiang date from the Jin Dynasty (265 AD) to the 9th century AD. Most of the ancient tombs are buried with Han people. At this time in 265 AD, the Turks had not yet come to Xinjiang (or even appeared). This proves that the Han people operating Xinjiang appeared in Mobei outside Xinjiang much earlier than the 6th century. (present-day Outer Mongolia) and later invaded by the Turks
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I have actually been confused about the situation with the Soviet Union and sinkang for awhile but this cleared it all up thank you dude
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You forgot to mention that USSR supported mao himself 😅😅😅
the quality is very high for a channel with 8 subscribers 👍
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Really good video! I'm surprised to see, that it has gotten so little attention.
Thank you! Considering it's my first upload, I wasn't expecting to get more than 50 views, so I'm very surprised its at like 400 already.
Back when the ccp and east turkistan were allies😂
True
I think th enemies enemy is my friend is the biggest lie in the world 😅
I just realized this is your first video, which means you're just started your career, and yeah its good. Wish all the best for your channel's future.
Excellent video and gets to the point quickly. Subscribing.
Awesome. Would love to see more history videos like this on China and more topics
Great content. Subscribed!
wasn't sinkiang actually controlled by two different warlord states?
the map in the video just looks like the (inaccurate) one from HoI4 lol
Great video, my only recommendation is not using an ai voice,using your voice would add personality to it
Hello, I watched one of your AoH3 videos the other day🤯. Also thank you for the advice. Unfortunately I have an accent when I speak English, so if I did the speaking, the videos would be less enjoyable.
Amazing. Any chance you could do a video about Manchuria and why the russian empire nor the Soviet union ended up not taking or being able to take it despite wanting to?
Genuinely, a good idea. I'll probably make that at some point.
The Soviets did occupy Manchuria at the end of WW2. However, they decided to hand it over to the Chinese communists.
@@ousarlxsfjsbvbg8588 They decided this as they knew that China (wether PRC or ROC) would not accept any foreign occupier that close to Bejing and that it would eventually lead to a conflict.
@@RK-cj4oc China at the time and for the foreseeable future was too weak to take it back by force so I’m not sure that was the main reason. I think they simply wanted to help out the Chinese communists.
@@RK-cj4ocSoviet union needed allies and buffer so they gave it up for that.
so do we forget that Soviets really helped mao forces to win against the kuomintang and pretend it didn't happen? the Soviet Manchuria cession to them after they liberate it from the japanese?
We're of course not ignoring that the Soviet Union was very closely cooperating with the CCP, but the point is that Sino-Soviet relations had not been perfect, even before the Sino-Soviet split happened. The topic at hand is one of the instances that make that very obvious. Stalin sought an imbalanced relationship with China, in which the Soviet Union would have the say. For this to work, the CCP needed to win the civil war, while also not be too powerful to be controllable. This may not been scientific consensus, but I'm confident that the Soviet leadership would have much preferred to keep Manchuria under its own control and not hand it over to China (as they did with Mongolia, Tuva and Lüshun). However under the specific circumstances , under which Manchuria fell under Soviet control, keeping Manchuria would have meant alienating Mao and the CCP and was thus not a viable option, because alienating the Chinese Communists would undermine any Soviet aspiration to control them.
TL;DR: Yes, the Soviets were on Mao's side, but the two were playing a tug of war of their own (which people tend to forget).
@@HistorySpeedrun17 yes if soviets keep manchuria Mao would've lost since that's were they retreat after they were defeated by Kuomintang to gain strength time to time.
the Soviets also looted the industry and anything of worth in Manchuria, effectively giving the CCP a bunch of not-so-valuable land
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@@SMGJohn lols
Sinkiang cannot be like Mongolia because of the different situation, there were almost no Chinese soldiers in Mongolia before it became an independent country, when Mongolia declared independence, automatically a large number of Soviet soldiers were placed in Mongolia as protectors of the Mongolian state (under Soviet supervision).
while there were a large number of Chinese soldiers in Sinkiang (that was a reaction to what happened in Mongolia).
before Sinkiang became a Soviet puppet, it was necessary to remove the Chinese soldiers from Sinkiang, the task fell to the Uyghur rebels who ended in failure, then Sinkiang became what it is now.
then couldn't the Soviets easily take over Sinkiang when China was in chaos? the Soviets could have done it at the risk of putting the Soviets in a long-term war status that Russia could not possibly finance against China besides opening up the possibility of cornering the possibility of an alliance between the Soviets and Chinese communists, and opening up the possibility of an alliance between China and Japan that threatened the position of Soviet Russia in the Far East/outer Manchuria.
@@robbykurnia9671 The Russian Army occupied it. It was not only possible, but probable.
Another point was the local political structure at that time. Historically, the Mongolian local chieftains never really wanted to be separated from the Yellow River due to economic reasons.
At the same time, they wanted to be part of a Yellow River entity on terms favorable to them.
The declaration of independence back then meant very little since the Yellow River was in a mess. The chieftains could always argue later that they declared independence from a regime but not necessarily from the wider state.
Given the historical nomadic nature of the Mongols, independence was sometimes a flexible concept.
The Soviet Special Military Operation 🙄🙄 changed the nature of Mongolian politics.
Meanwhile Stalin not only maintained some social distancing from the Chinese Reds but also from the Mongolian Reds.
Back then, it was not so sure who would win the Yellow River. The Blues managed to de-militarize 90% of the Chinese Reds before the Japs ruined the whole effort.
A republic, in the Soviet sense, was not necessarily an independent sovereign nation.
If a Red Mongolia re-integrated into China could help turn all of China Red, Stalin might not really objected.
Chiang Sr's elder son was married to a Russian-Soviet woman. They had 4 kids together.
Stalin did not raise the Mongolian issue until Yalta in 1945.
Partly because of this, some contemporary maps from 1912 to 1949 continued to depict Mongolia as part of ROC.
Wow, this is some insane content.
You’re going to go far
Your mapping style is unique, make more videos on cold war plz
Sikiang was notably not a breakway state but one of many chinese warlords unlike Mongolia who did not claim to still be part of China.
The best comparision to Sikiang is the Anhui clique that ruled Mongolia for a few years before Baron Von Ungern kicked them out, the Anhui clique where chinese military officers that controlled all of Mongolia despite the majority mongol population.
The most notable example is Mongolia, meanwhile Tuvan which was completely folded into Russia.
Amazing first video for any RUclips channel subscribed right away
Everybody forgets Tannu Tuva...
What’s even lesser known is the fact that Tannu Tuva actually annexed the ussr and not the other-way around.
Tannu what ?
This is extremely underrated!
really helpful for IB history thanks
Because they already have the entire China
Really good video! I think you should consider putting your sources in the description. It gives you more credibility, and helps people researching the topic
This was very excellent first video.
awesome video! good luck with your future videos!
Imagine if USSR kept it. My love East Turkestan would be free
It's already free unlike turkey
[Uyghurs are not indigenous to Xinjiang]
Uighurs are not the original inhabitants of the Western Regions (now Xinjiang). Han people came to Xinjiang earlier than Uighurs! Why can't it be changed to Xinjiang Province for Han people?
Therefore, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region should be abolished immediately and the Han Xinjiang Province should be restored!
The policy of hostility towards the Han people should not continue, otherwise it will bring disaster to future generations! It will be a disgrace for thousands of years! Future generations will rub their backs!!!
维族的很多人都是毫无信仰、毫无信用的两面人。它们白天到处宣扬自己信教多么虔诚高尚，晚上吸毒喝酒吃猪肉什么都干。而就是这类货色却信誓旦旦要求卡菲尔（异教徒）服从它们的习俗和宗教，并以此干涉别人的生活方式
宗教律己，邪教律人！
really great video
XUAR is the land of only Uighurs, Uighurstan was and will be. I can discuss with anyone about the Uighur lands.
Xuar is only the land of the Dzungar khanate and it's Chinese inheritors
@@edwardsnowden8821 Moghulistan, Yettishar, Khojas state, ili sultanate >> dzungar, china
The video is fantastic!
How do you create those animations?🤩
In short: Say you want to have the animation go from map A to map B. In your video editing software, you overlay map B over map A (you place B above A in the timeline) in a way that you can only see map B. Then, you put a mask over map B (when you put a mask over map B, the are that you select as the mask is the only part of B that is visible. That means if you set the mask to 0% size B becomes completely invisible and you should now be seeing A). Now you set one key frame to where you want the animation to start and one to where you want it to finish. On the key frame where the animation is supposed to finish, you set the mask size to 100%. That means that between your two key frames, the size of the mask goes from 0% to 100%, bit by bit revealing changes in the map.
@HistorySpeedrun17 oh thanks!
You have a bright future of your channel, I know this.
Good luck!💪🏻
This video is way too simplified to be able to teach history effectively
What are you sinkiang about?
The German Coast Guard...
@E4439Qv5 We are sinkiang!
Interesting by the way, the next one you should do is why didn’t the Soviet union give up Manchukuo
Good first video!
They did the focus where they give China Sinkiang but take Tannu Tuva
Very good first video- I predict good things in the future. I do have a question tho. What AI voice thingy do you use?
Thank you! I use Elevnlabs.
@ paid or free?
High quality video. Good job. Would recommend you speak slightly faster.
Very informative
Beacuse of there was already a massive turk popularion on Soivet Union, i think being under soviet reign is better than chinas reign
Your first map of the Qing in 1911 was inaccurate for leaving out Hainan...
The soviets never had the same degree of control and kinship with Sinkiang that they had with Mongolia because the Sinkiang warlord rulers where opportunists and not even slightly interested in communism, in the counterpart Mongolia was a socialist state ruled by a civilian communist party.
underrated
Thank you
You forgot about Tannu Tuva. The Tuvan People's Republic did apply for annexation later, but not by the time the events you talked about occurred. It should've been shown as independent like Mongolia not incorporated into the USSR
hope u make more videos rly
Please make more Soviet videos
The Soviet Union is my personal area of interest, so I will definitely be making more 👍
@@HistorySpeedrun17 based, i love that
Tannu Tu-what ?
Also, the voice is very robotic.
The Uyghurs probably wished the USSR had kept them...
Greta video!
Soooo underrated(A small mistake: 00:06 you forgot to color Hainan)
You're right, thank you for pointing it out!
You talk about mongolia like it was part of the ussr.
It was a satellite state
What eras and areas do you want to cover?
Mostly 18th - 21st centuries, I reckon.
@@HistorySpeedrun17 Bad, another modern channel.
@@HistorySpeedrun17 don’t listen to this weirdo, modern content is better anyways
@@stephenanton660 To a dumbo thinking modern history is better and insulting people online for no reason, of course.
@@stephenanton660 To a restart thinking modern history is better and insulting people online for no reason, of course.
East Turkestan! ❤
Yes!
[Uyghurs are not indigenous to Xinjiang]
Uighurs are not the original inhabitants of the Western Regions (now Xinjiang). Han people came to Xinjiang earlier than Uighurs! Why can't it be changed to Xinjiang Province for Han people?
Therefore, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region should be abolished immediately and the Han Xinjiang Province should be restored!
The policy of hostility towards the Han people should not continue, otherwise it will bring disaster to future generations! It will be a disgrace for thousands of years! Future generations will rub their backs!!!
The Han people governed Xinjiang earlier than the Turks. The Han murals and scrolls unearthed from the Astana ancient tombs in Xinjiang date from the Jin Dynasty (265 AD) to the 9th century AD. Most of the ancient tombs are buried with Han people. At this time in 265 AD, the Turks had not yet come to Xinjiang (or even appeared). This proves that the Han people operating Xinjiang appeared in Mobei outside Xinjiang much earlier than the 6th century. (present-day Outer Mongolia) and later invaded by the Turks
@@ILUVPAJEETS Hello CCP government
Isn't that USSR funded and help mao as well? That's why they win against the nationalists, And stop cooperating with Chang kai chek after Sun passed away also Lenin. So the predecessor of what sun yat sen received help from Soviet Russia was now between mao and the Kuomintang nationalist who's btw cooperating in Moscow before and now fighting for dominance in China after Sun passed and China was disunited during that time as well. I think you forgot to mention that aswell in additional Russia were ready to give up some Chinese territory incorporated to empire of Russia after the Soviets took over.
Good video
I only know it from hoi4
You own any other YT channel by chance?
No, why🙂?
@HistorySpeedrun17 Your voice is awfully similar to another RUclipsr I watch, who also does historical content.
btw. the reason Mongolia wasn't annexed is because the Soviets wanted to keep the option open to give it back to China, but they never needed the bargaining chip. And later they missed the WW2 time window where you could simply annex stuff especially since the soviets called themselves antiimperialist and cultivated an image of anti colonialists.
Mongolia literally asked to join the Soviet Union
Awsome!!
Free Tibet free East Turkestan
Imagine the two superpowers, both USSR and US, don't want Xinjiang be part of China. They tried everything from military riot to smearing of genocide. Heck, Xinjiang is still part of China and importantly the people are getting better and better lives.
The people of East Turkestan and Tibet would beg to differ. Read global news
@@stephenanton660 Ehhh This Argument Can Go Sideways If You Think About It
Not That This Site Is Not A Good Place To Holher Around Ideas At Eachother
@@stephenanton660 China exempts most developed countries from visas, and buys tickets to Urumqi to communicate with local people in person.
@@Little-chilli no they dont? please read what the united nations says LOL
@@stephenanton660 UN u mean US
Hoi4 irl omg
Diversity of different ethnicity and culture are much celebrated in many countries of large enough size, US, Brazil, Russia and also India. But when it comes to China, all the sudden, diversity is viewed as a bad thing. How come? The belief is that diversity can only exist in white-majority countries, but not Chinese? Then that's some serious racism, against the exact notion that diversity and tolerance are universal human value.
I am from China. Although China always says that it has many ethnic groups and cultures, they always assimilate other ethnic groups. East Turkestan, Tibet, Inner Mongolia, and Manchukuo were all Chinese colonies.
@@yusupjanadil3132You are not from China if you actually call Manchuria Manchukuo 😂
Here before you’re famous
SHENG SHICAIII
interesting
Xinjiang
W video
Muscovy is now a Han-Chinese colony - while still foolishly dreaming of empire.
commie Han-China has ALREADY declared part of Moscow empire as its territory on new official maps China's state-owned Standard Map Service has presented a set of geographic maps for 2023, on which for the first time part of Moscow's territory is indicated as part of China. It is about the Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island on the Amur River.
Moscow wants to allow deforestation and transfer of land near Lake Baikal to private ownership (read- into commie China´s hands )
commie Han-China takes advantage of Moscow empire 's weakened position. Believe nothing else! Its not personal. Its strictly business....The future China - Muscovite wars will be around water resources and the reclaiming of outer Manchuria to settle a 19c. unequal treaty.
Nothing you say is true. What are you on
Xin jiang
East Turkistan 🙋
@yusupjanadil3132 [Uyghurs are not indigenous to Xinjiang]
Uighurs are not the original inhabitants of the Western Regions (now Xinjiang). Han people came to Xinjiang earlier than Uighurs! Why can't it be changed to Xinjiang Province for Han people?
Therefore, the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region should be abolished immediately and the Han Xinjiang Province should be restored!
The policy of hostility towards the Han people should not continue, otherwise it will bring disaster to future generations! It will be a disgrace for thousands of years! Future generations will rub their backs!!!
@@ILUVPAJEETS yeah yeah , source? ccp teold it😏60 years ago there is no han chinese in East turkistan
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Cheines f
Good video