MN Courbet - Guide 015 (Human Voice)
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2020
- The Courbet class, the first French dreadnoughts, are today's subject
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The Myoko class CAs were known to be good ships, so why did the IJN order just 4 of them before the war?
Can you do a video on the Sovetsky Soyuz class battleships?
Considering their size, how important was Aero Dynamics on ships superstructures?
Can we get an episode on the “Scrap Iron Flotilla? Attempt No5 ;)
Drachinifel, with the exception of the RICHELIEU class, the French built some BUTT-UGLY battleships.😬
You forgot to mention Jean Bart was renamed to "Océan" in 1937 to free up the name for the upcoming Richelieu class battleship Jean Bart.
A huge slap in the face to otherwise successful and well designed Ocean class of wooden ships of the line.
Secondary gun have longer range than main gun
War Gaming pls add that
Took the words out of my mouth.
Here here!
Taking 'secondary battleship' gimmick to another new level
The Kaiser better watch out, there is a new secondary ship in town.
🤔I'm sure the Courbet class designers realized that in the distant future, video game designers like Wargaming, would shortchange their ship's secondary range. So they INTENTIONALLY designed these ships with REALLY long secondary range, so that it would be difficult for WG to skimp on secondary range, while trying to be generally historically accurate... 😁
"hit the wine store" sacrebleu! the humanity!
Completed first all-gun dreadnought for Marine National
*Made secondaries firing range longer then main battery*
A hit to the wine storage is a critical hit on a french ship
the crew is gona starve
F for the wine store that was lost to the dastardly deeds of the torpedo
On a scale of Nelson's cheese.
F
Another revoiced video with Drach's human voice? *a surprise to be sure, but a welcomed one.*
The 225677th Fragment of the Man-Emperor of Mankind you absolute meme
After British "assumed control" over Paris she was offered to Polish Navy (along with destroyer Ouragan)... however when Polish scout team sended on board to asses her overall condition completed its task... well... Polish Navy HQ diplomatically declined the offer and thanked their British counterparts for such consideration.
Same with Ouragan... which was returned to British control after about half of the year of constant strugle to simply keep her afloat... due her overall disasterous technical condition she suffer because of lack of the necesssry maintenance in her Marine Nationale pre war service.
This class of BB still did better than any German BB.
Stolen ships whor seek refuge in what they figured a allied harbor which use other class of spear parts in bad shape after been under the control of the new ''owners'' but it's the MN fault ? LOL
I agree with the Polish Navy.
What's the point of having a French ship if the wine cellar is destroyed?
Well that was half the state of the ship, and half someone in chain of command realizing that a navy that up to this point has never run anything larger than a destroyer would be well over it's head trying to run a battleship. Even at it's peak wartime strenght Polish Navy consisted of one light cruiser, four full-size destroyers, three escort destroyers, four or five submarines and a handful of motor torpedo boats and other small craft. It would take half of the men running these ships to run a single BB. And even as there was constant inflow of volunteers, most of them saw sea for the first time during their coming to Britain. Just this once common sense won over our national pride, all for the better.
I still can't get over "when hotels go to war".
3:08 In true French fashion, the torpedo hit the wine store
Declared combat ineffective after the loss of le vin. 😄
So MN doesn't Mean Minnesota? So sad: so like the thought of them sailing out of Duluth Harbor to protect the iron ore shipments.
lol...
Have their ever been pirates in Lake Superior??? If so I think that's quite deserving of a special!
@@jt_kirk Only the British, but Oliver Hazard Perry took care of them during the War Of 1812! :)
@@jt_kirk Yes- those dastardly cheeseheads!
"The wine has been taken out..Abandon ship!!!"
There's something about the tripod mast with swept 'wing' radio aerial mountings I really like. A shame the style didn't get more use, it's really classy.
Those ships had a beautiful look
France had some appalling old tubs still in service in 1940. Pondering how the Brits came to be allowed to build two new, clean sheet designs, (Nelson and Rodney) by the treaty, when the treaty was supposed to be about stopping spending on capital ships, it occurs that the US was crying a river about having 3 treaty compliant ships at 75-80% complete (Washington, Colorado and West Virginia) and the enormous waste of scrapping them, to which the Brits might have replied "everything we have in process exceeds treaty limits, so if you want to complete the Colorados, we insist on being allowed to build new, treaty complaint, ships too, but we only want to build two, so you should only be allowed to complete two of your three." France had four Normandies in the water, in an advanced stage of construction. Seems France could have used the same forbearance offered to the US and UK and had two Normandies completed. But France reportedly took one look at the 28kt BBs Italy was working on, looked at what it would take to push the Normandies to an equal speed, found the cost exorbitant, and that was the end of it. It might be interesting to ponder, if two Normandies had been completed, as originally designed, replacing two of the Courbets, then rebuilt in the 30s to the degree the Andria Dorias were rebuilt.
Thinking on this a bit more, the Washington treaty allowed France to lay down a new, treaty compliant, BB in 27 and 29. With two of the Normandie class hulls at 65% complete, France could have pressed to have the 1927 and 1929 construction windows revised to allow for completion of existing, unfinished, hulls as an alternate to laying down new hulls. Then France could have closed up the hulls of Normandie and Flandre and laid them up for 5-7 years, while a new, longer, drydock is built. When construction resumes, as their original displacement was only 25,000T, there is plenty of room for doing the work considered in 1919 to make them 28kt ships, along with building a modern superstructure with modern secondary armament. Then scrapping two of the Courbets in 30-31 A Normandie built to late 20s standards, could easily defeat a Deutschland, so the Dunkerques would probably never have been built.
@@stevevalley7835 oh wow that makes sensense. Way too much sense for the French, natch.
@@RobJaskula If the treaty replacement schedule had been revised to allow completion of unfinished hulls, instead of new construction, the USN could have retained Washington too. But Washington, as designed, was a lot closer to the treaty limit, so would have little flexibility to improve speed. Would the USN want a new, 21kt, BB when the treaty would allow them to complete Washington, in 1931.
School hulk . Imagine going to school on a battleship .
Student " excuse me , where is the toilet ? "
Teacher " down the hallway right next to the magazine "
In an alternate history french battleships weren't a mistake and Drachinifel hosts the wine ration
Super happy with the voice part....i'll echo a lot of other people, the sound balance needs some love .
The most vital part of any ship is the wine cellar, no matter what nationality.
Hit fire control, I'll spot. Hit a turret, I still have three more. Listing to port, I'll press on!
Hit my wine cellar though and I'm out. That's just inhuman.
what about the brits and the Krauts.
I thought the Tommies had Tea making facilities where as the Krauts had Barrels of beer
I'm bemused by the ?Colony Class? cruiser at 4:34. Nice ship, though :)
Swiftsure class I think but yeah, slight error there me thinks :)
The turret immediately made me think Town-class, but it could also be Crown-Colony or Swiftsure-class @Dean P.F
Instead of writing first (like a n00b), I watched the video and as usual it was brilliant! I’m glad I took a late lunch so I could watch two of Drach videos will eating! Tanks mate!
I did comment 'first', I was just carried away by seeing a new vid from Drach without any comments.
Bless, get to hear the intro music twice this morning. Hangover squad, standing by to stand by.
OMG.... ah, mon dieu! That foremast really looks like a clock tower in a town square.
What a design clusterfuck
No spotters? Two four man naval teams consisting of a radioman able to direct fire and three Marines for his security on each team should have been on every large caliber ship in every navy.
I loved the lil Courbet in Navyfield
I think the intro music is a bit muted. Oh well.
Yeah, it used to be very loud, but now it's quite quiet.
Yes, and I kinda like it.
When did the Orkz take over French ship-building?
the gained control in 1892 and lost it in 1918.
I used to go on holiday in Quiberon. So many ships got lost in the area; it's a treacherous one.
capitain le germans hit the champagne store!
SAC LE BLUR
*confused french panic*
Floating baguette launcher.
I was expecting masts that look like the Eiffel Tower on the Paris, but that was an opportunity missed.
Thank you, Drachinifel.
i always wonder why would anyone resort to main battery wing turrets before trying to make triple turrets work or just make smaller and more efficient design
Mort de la vie! The wine store!
This video has severe volume issues. The intro/outtro is very quiet, and the rest is very very loud. Please look into this, Drach!
Shaped charge warheads! So there was some experimentation! Still would like to know why they were never adopted.
I'm watching as fast as he uploads them
It's a French ship, how could any hit not hit the wine store
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At the minute 4:00 because there is some kind of clock on the ship's mast
NOT THE WINE STORE!!! SO UNCIVILIZED!!!
Two videos released within minutes of each other? Somebody Hood me! Waitaminute....
Scarheart76 Bismarck on the other side of the bar: HOLD MY BEER
The robot voice is to take over the livestreams Drach does now, otherwise the T2 Judgement Day will occur sooner.
Then we get to see the naval front of the War Against the Machines.
Ah French ship..... this will be fun
Like I said in a video Drach did discussing the last French battleship designs, the first 2/3rds of French dreadnought/battleships were pretty terrible in comparison to their rivals.
The Courbet class wasn't as bad as some of the others but it definitely wasnt as good. So decidedly average I think.
They were not good at all until mid 1930. In France at this time we used to name some navy ministers who never saw a ship before. One of them said that Battleships were not democratic enough !!
@@psour33 that's why I said 2/3rds....the Richelieu class was the first class that could really compete with other designs and maybe even actually beat them.
@@admiraltiberius1989 ww1 french BBs were okay. Nothing special, but ship in line doesn't need to stand out. It needs to be fast enough, to be protected well enough, and have sufficient firepower to be harmful. They check those boxes.
Same argument, but in reverse: french ww2 battleships had their own list of problems. List not fully fixed until well after ww2.
@@admiraltiberius1989 By which point the entire battleship concept was obsolete.......
Under French law, hitting the wine storage counts as a war crime.
torpedo on ship's wine store - what a sad loss.
04:34 This is neither of them but some cruiser.
How do you think that the Australia battlecruiser HMAS Australia would have faired if she were kept around for WW2?
I can think of Five scenarios for retaining HMAS Australia BC...(1) because they consider it a major enemy unit, Japan launches a preemptive attack on its base/port with midget subs to take it out DEC 7/8, (2) combines with Force Z...sunk DEC 8 with POW and Repulse by land based aircraft, (3) sunk in Java Sea with rest of allied cruisers later (4) sunk in Coral Sea or near New Guinea by Carrier based aircraft, (5) To protect supply route to S. Pacific, Australia is sent to Guadalcanal to reinforce U.S. forces and runs into Hiei or Kirishima and is horribly outclassed (incidentally retaining Australia reduces manpower for other RAN cruisers) . Generally things dont end well. Similar things apply if new Zealand retained its namesake BC.
i could see how coal fired boilers could be a weakness especially after all the other steam powered warships used oil as fuel did any run out of steam because they had used up all of their steam coal?
Coal was much more readily available in Europe. Oil contains more energy, but had to be transported to Europe from Oman, Iraq and Persia. So if a fuel was more likely to run out, it was oil.
Britain: [Launches HMS Dreadnought] You're not going to try anything _silly_ now?
France: [Orders an entire class of semi-drednoughts] A-hon hon hon!
Did not one of the Espana class also sink from hitting a rock?
The Torpedo hit the wine storage.😱
That explains and justifies the hatred the French had against the Boche.
Well, they WERE the least insane looking French Battleships...
Well, at least they didn't look like hotels!
Have you done any videos on SNCF or French style steam locomotives? Say 231E light Pacific?
good looking boat. what changed in the marine national?
They decided hotels should be on land.
What are those giant clocks at the top of the foremast, as seen at 4:16 ???
3:10 for real? A wine store on a warship :)? Or are we being trolled in a great way :D?
@CipiRipi00 Actually that applies to portuguese ships as well. I remeber a few years back there was some upheavel in the press here when it was leaked that there would be an increase in cost to the MEKO frigates we were buying from germany as the builders would have to alter the design to accomodate the portuguese navy request for thae winw store to be included..
I'm gonna be honest, I thought you had lost the file for this videos XD
Crown Colony class at 4:34?
Yeah, caught that too. Seems pretty out of place to the narrative. Good looking boat though ...
I was wondering.
4:34 that isn't a French ship, is it?
Have you done one about the Prinz Eugens,my favorite warship,a lot like the Warspite,very lucky to survive the war?
Only for Prinz Eugen to get nuked.
Survived both nuclear blasts.
@@johnno7052 sank
@@Amalotl after being towed away.
4:40 what ship?
Town or Colony class?
Shouldn't this video be renamed to "Courbet Cass"?
as time is valuable, press 0:32 to skip intro
Yikes, what ship is that at 4:36, the one with, ummm, triple gun turrets of around 6"?
I was wondering that...a "Colony" class cruiser? But why?
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