Natural Gut vs Polyester | Tennis String Comparison
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In today’s tennis equipment video, I test the Babolat Touch VS Natural Gut String and compare it to Kirschbaum Super Smash Polyester.
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what tension do you use?
Can you review luxilon savage the black and white
The string movement is exactly why a denser string pattern racket like an 18/20 or a smaller racket head like a 90 or 85 sq.inch with the more open 16/19 would maximize playability and the power of a natural gut. I strung up a old school zebra radical tour mid plus with a full bed of natural gut at 63 lbs. My groundies were bullets as well as the serve. You have to marry the right racket with natural gut, otherwise it is a total disaster.
From my experience, it takes some time to adjust when you change the type of string, from poly to gut and vice versa. It’s not like you pick up full-bed of gut and can perform immediately like you normal setup. I love gut and multi, but I break it too soon and don’t wanna pay that much so I ended up using poly. I would say gut main poly cross is the best.
I play a hybrid natural gut mains (wilson 16g) during colder months. I find they key is to find a very slippery cross string (Wilson Revolve) to aid the sliding of the gut back into place. I string the gut mains 4lbs tighter than the poly cross. Also the pure drive I find is a very powerful racquet and probably the opposite racquet (Wilson PS85, PS90, prestige) gut is most effective with.
The problem is the Babolat racquet . Put that in a Pro Staff 90 or 85 and it's probably a dream.
@@marcelobarros5729 exactly. When I got my PS97 v13, I strung it Federer gut/alu setup (with lower tension). It gives me a “wow” on the first touch.
You definitely need more time to adjust. If you're a touchy player, a hybrid is awesome. But you need to have feeling for your shots. A hardhitter should stay with polystrings. The playtesters technique didn't look like a touch players one. Another example for the importance of individual adjustment to the very own style of play.
@@tantennis what was the tension?
You dont have more power with the poly. The problem is you have too much power with the natural gut, therefore less control and the ball goes long. The old players strung very high tension with the gut. Thats how they got control with it. Thats what you should have done Nick and you would be way better of :). Also, you cannot hav natural gut with a 50 pound tension in a pure drive with a 70 ra stiffnes rating and a 100 sq headsize. Its stands to reason that its not going to be controlled. You probably need to string it in the high 60s and maybe 70 for maximum control
Yes, what you say makes sense.
Nonsense
@@james2578 Explain.
John Mcenroe...gut...42 lbs
@@douglaslounsbury8898 its not a pure drive man
haha Anna making fun of you in the end was hilarious, really nice to leave this in the editing
There was an ATP pro who used all natural gut in the modern era (retired 2014). His name was Michael Llodra; very exciting player but unfortunately only got to no. 21 in singles (would have been cool to have a serve and volleyer in the top 10 in the modern era).
One thing to note about this video, is virtually every player who uses natural gut will play with an 18x20 string pattern and use string savers, neither of which is done here.
Djokovic played a full bed of a multi, X-One Biphase, all the way until 2006 (where he was already very good, duh). A full bed of a top multifilament is a very respectable setup; but don't expect ten hours of hard hitting before you snap it, which a 16g poly can offer.
Serena full gut most of her career guyz
Great topic, great presentation. As usual, Niko.
Love it that you kept in the banter at the end
Great informative video. Learned a lot about the basics and rationales of strings.
I remember reading Monica Seles' first book and she said she used natural gut, then during a match at the French Open at an important moment, the strings went, she lost the match and said she never used natural gut again. That was in 1989.
Another useful video, thanks! I played with full bed of gut in a Dunlop 95sq in 16 x 19 and it worked very well. I could serve bullets and place the ball with pace...but when I had to scramble, like in a real match...the 95 was too hard to defend with or more accurately, I'm not good enough (nor will I be) to play with a 95. When I switched to a 100 sq in 16 x 19 the gut had too much power to control so I went with a synthetic and all is well.
The soft feel on the strike and the spin I can produce in whatever shot are the reasons I fully strung my Wilson ProStaff RF 97 with natural gut to use it only in doubles. For the singles I play with the 315g ProStaff 97, now using the Solinco Hyper 1.20, both full bed at 53 lbs.
I have a racket strung with the HyperG at 54lbs, its a great winter racket I find.
Love this video. The review and near the end.
Great video and insight as ALWAYS! But Anna Roasting Nic at the end was the best! :-)
Gotta say I’m liking the kirschbaum orange strings you use. Not crazy spin but the strings snap back well. After like 5 hitting sessions the strings don’t move around. Only maybe the far side strings do a bit but that’s expected. Hits are more consistent and predictable. Also I do notice it gives more power than other dead strings I tended to use like luxilon and solinco confidential.
This was a fun video to watch. I like the commentary pre and post points
A full bed of natural gut in a powerful racket like the Pure Drive is likely to prove too hard to control for players with fast, full strokes. To get better control you would have to string in the 60s and, with a stiff racket like the Pure Drive this might prove problematic. In the "good old days" pros would typically string anywhere from the low 60s into the upper 70s. Borg was known for stringing so high that his strings would occasionally break while not even being used. Natural gut, like multifilaments, will notch and this will reduce or completely eliminate string "snapback." Not only is this annoying since it requires realigning the strings after every rally but vital spin is somewhat lessened without the contribution of the displaced string snapping back and spinning the ball. Polys are less powerful than natural gut or multifilaments but this enables a good player to swing out with maximum speed without losing control of the ball. The increased speed polys accommodate results in more spin for the same racket trajectory.
3:17 I have a pretty funny story whenever I watch Pete Sampras I never understood why literally after pretty much every single point he would look at his racket and reset the strings. Until I play with my friends or F 97 strong with natural gut.
There's a reason why some really good pros still use it. Not an expert, but maybe, just maybe, it's because they combine it with co-polys and pro stock rackets. Not with the most used racket in the wta.
Cross this with gut on the mains and a durable elastic poly on the crosses and you get great spin too and no movement and crazy durable. I used it in combo with Weiss cannon scorpion - crazy good.
My previously trusted stringer was string my poly at 32kg, didn’t find out till I got my own crank machine, absolutely ridiculous, you’re so right Nick, poly at 22kg is like a dream, nothing wedges and almost nothing went out xD
32 kg, whaaaaat, never heard anyone play with 32kg
@@hansklok3564 well, my gauge says so, and Dudtin Brown, according to my previous stringer, he does xD
Hey Nick! 👋 What stringing machine do you use? Do strings have a shelf life like cans of unopened tennis 🎾 balls? Do manufacturers put packaging dates on reels?
Yeah I couldn't agree more about the tennis ball point and have always wondered why there aren't more reviews of the various tennis ball brands and types.
I don’t like Wilson. Trying to find a lighter ball.
@@TimTheMusicMan My favourite ball for price, durability and quality is the dunlop fort all court. I've recently been using the head radical all court cos my brother gets them cheap but I think they're a substandard ball. If you want a light ball the slazenger wimbledon from what I can remember is quite light, it's been years since I used it but I remember it flying as if it came with it's own internal propulsion system.
@@tonylall7649 thanks.
@@tonylall7649 thanks.
Excellent explanation thank you
Nice banter at the end there! 😂
Nick, this was a fun video. Maybe do another one like this, but instead focusing on very low tension poly string weight vs the average poly string tension?
Tennis Nerd did a very interesting video on this titled "I try 12 kg / 24 lbs tension (Mannarino-style!) - Pros and cons of playing with low tensions". It made me switch from multi filament to poly.
I never liked poly until I tried very low tensions. Such a video should also be a good antidote for people who like to string their rackets too tight, which seems prevalent. When I told people at my club I strung my racket at 14 kg they looked at me like I was crazy 😅
That is a great idea 🔥🔥
Its not as expensive as you think… I know the string itself costs a ton, but it has the best tension maintenence of any tennis string. So as long as you use string savers, flatten the strokes a bit and dont use it in humid weather it can stay on the racket for a year or even longer without restringing it. But it also has some negatives… Natural gut cant stand any amount of humidity/water or it will lose tension and it will break fast with enough friction.
On a 100 inch head 55 pounds is not tight much for that string. I have one 95 inch raquet that I dont use so often and string it at 25kg with VS 17, if you need more control 27kg can be nice on a 100 inch head. By the way I love that string but its pretty expensive.
i have played with VS gut on my Pure Drive Plus and i normally string it tighter than 55. I went to a hybrid with gut in mains and a multi in the crosses e.g. ISOSPEED Control or Head Velocity MLT and that set up works.
@@dmf30 which thickness shall i try in a 100inch2 racket 16x20? 1.3 VS / 1.3 head velocity? And which tension? Is this setup durable and arm friendly?
@@aaronjfd6819 BTW, I know ISOSPEED CONTROL is a multi- sort of a co-pol blend actually. I use to play ISO SPEED PRO Classic for years. I like the thinner thickness for the power and use tension for control. I happen to like a crisp feel so i string mine at 56.5 for my pure drive. I would put the VS on the mains UNLESS you think you will break string. If you do you have two choices- a 15L gut on the mains OR string the MLT on the mains and gut on the crosses. Remember that the racket will take on the playability of the mains more so than the crosses.. Unfortunately it is a matter of testing. Get a good local stringer who strings for the high school or college teams and he/she will be able to give you better guidance. BTW what level do you play? if a 4.0 or below, don't waste your time with GUT. Try the MLT or even TF Triax.
I'm currently in the Phase of "Testing Tennis Strings" (with my Clash 100)
If Tested :
Head Touch
Alu Power
Balolat Hybrid Setup RPM + XCel
Babolat Hybrid Setup Blast + Touch
From the above i would say i loved the RPM+XCel Setup the most
But now i Tried the Kirschbaum Super Shamsh 1.23 (Orange) and it feld really good from the start (23kg / 22 kg)
Thining about keeping the Kirschbaum as my FAV since is also much cheaper than the Babolats.
Thanks Nikola !
Thanks for this video! I've been playing NG since I was a kid in the 1970s and I DO NOT have a desire to hit a tennis ball without it (or at-least a gut mains hybrid)... If I had to use poly, I'd stop playing tennis and get involved in pickleball.... Of course, I'm S/V oriented with terrible TE....
Keep up the great work!
Agreed .... lifetime natural gut user. Never had tennis elbow or arm issues ever. Would not even consider playing competitive tennis without natural gut.
I agree completely. All points are accurate ive tried full gut of multiple brands all at higher tension and had terrible results especially as a flatter hitter who relies on the strings for control and spin
Can you please show a gut-poly hybrid ?? Try it vs copoly. Thanks for the video as always.
Great video, Nik!
Yea i agree with you I found poly more powerful than natural gut which was strange considering everyone said how powerful gut was
I think your poly may have been "more powerful" because you can swing harder and it will stay in.
I use a hybrid and I’m no pro or think I’m cool but I use klip 16g 1:30 on my mains and Gamma glide cross 16g 1:30 on my crosses. Works just fine for me at 50/50 tension and no string movement. I also have a dampener which I didn’t see in your racquet unless I missed it.
Hi coach, I used Natural Gut for a couple of months because I had elbow pain and it did help for the pain, but I had to go back to Co- Polyester because I couldn't win or be competitive in matches. So I agree with you regarding playability, but it can cure elbow pain.
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I currently have the same string in my Blade v8. 55lbs. It’s very comfortable. Very nice feel. Very expensive but if I only string every 6 months it’s not too bad. There is enough power in them for a rec player. I wanted to try them just out of curiosity
Dude, stringing every 6 months... The string dies much before that, you're playing with a 15lbs old string bed, none of the original characteristics are there anymore, better to play with a cheaper string and string it more often
@@g2tennis Gut does not lose its playability in 6 months.ll the negatives about the Gut is a bit blown out of proportion.This gentleman I hate to say is not that great of a technician.His timing and strokes could use a bit of work also.Babolat Racquet is this video 10 years old.I guess Im an old pro so its hard to keep up with all the trends.
Good video, Nick. Last time I tried a full bed of gut was in the early '80s in my PDP Open. Frames and strings have come a long way since then.
I'm confused about the terminology when you talk about the Kirschbaum Super Smash. You say it's not a copolymer like Luxilon, but the Kirschbaum website lists the Super Smash Orange as a co-polyester. Is there a difference in terms?
I was wondering the same
I played with natural gut I doubles it worked well there especially in volleys
IMO 55# 17G vs gut in a pure drive would be a little low based on my experience. I use an 18 x 20 98" frame and VS gut at 58# is perfection. Sampras and some of the old gut users strung in the high 60's to get better control.
I tried pro’s pro blackout pentagonal string there then bought a whole reel for £28. Just doesn’t lose its tension and works great with my vcore 100.
Haven't played with Pro's Pro strings yet, but I've read tons of good reviews about them.
I agree with you! However, as a beginner, off center shots hurt my arm. As I get better and better, I will transition from full gut, to hybrid gut(main)/poly(cross), to poly(main)/gut(cross), and ultimately full poly.
I think it might actually make more sense for you to transition from full gut to full poly and then to a hybrid with gut in the mains. I understand your thought process with the stringbed progressively becoming more control oriented but ultimately I think a hybrid offers the best of both worlds and caters particularly well to high level players, which is probably why so many top tier pros go with hybrid setups
Im 60+ and I’ve been playing in league 20 yrs..I tried using poly but my elbow and shoulder could not handle it.I tried every combination but switched to cheaper Gut full set and since i have no arm issues related to tennis.I love the feel game so I no longer hit hard and try a smoother style of play.VS is too expensive but may give it a shot next year.Bottom line I love full set gut.I play Wilson Clash 98.Usually 55lbs.
which cheap gut can you reccomend?
@@aaronjfd6819 Klip Legend 17
I think you have it correct.I have played both Tennis and Table Tennis for years.A good player in either sport can take any combination and absolutely demolish lesser opponents.Its not the paddle or Racquet find what is comfortable and practice.Any good pro can watch him hit 2 shots and know right away that he will be easy.
I used a full bed of gut in matches back in the early eighties and syn gut gut to practice . Everytime it rained we would stick our racquets up our shirts to protect them from the rain
When gut was king ,( the wooden era), the racquets were strung from 65 to 68 lbs.
I wonder what your experience would be if you brought the string tension up?
I totally agree with you. I think the racket he was playing is suited for poly string.
How about comparing gut hybrid setups (like gut mains poly cross or poly main gut cross vs full gut)
Usually in full bed, people put string savers to prevent the strings from moving too much.
Can you please make a video on how close you have to be to the ball when hitting a 2 handed backhand
I think stringing gut at 60 lbs might have worked better for control, but I for one don't care for gut either. I like more feedback when I hit the ball. A multifilament like Head Velocity MLT is comfortable but also more crisp than gut, and a soft copoly like Head Lynx Tour is easy on the arm and gives nice control and spin. Both strings last a long time too.
I am trying both at the moment, Babolat VS gut full bed on one racket and Luxilon 4G (Poly) on the other. The two rackets are identical Wilson ProStaff 97, 315g with 16/19 string pattern both strung at 25/26kg. Positives for the Babolat gut: + feeling, especially for volleys and when strings are brand new + trampoline power + no pain ever in arm or wrist! Negatives: - control is average, - not a lot of spin, ball can go long in baseline rallies, Positives for Luxilon 4G: + spin, ball stays more in and more difficult for opponent to hit back + a lot of control, Negatives: - less power than the gut - wrist pain after 3 matches on 3 consecutive days .... So haven't finally decided yet, but I really love the gut which I think makes sense for attacking players. If you are a baseliner I would go for a more spiny string. (Pistol Pete played gut, Agassi Luxilon).... And yes, gut strings move all the time but you can adjust them after each point like the pros in the 90s :-)
Solution: gut mains 26kg 4g crosses 24kg prestretch 10% both.
Thank me now, not later😉
Great analysis… same experience I had using natural gut for the first time.
I played with poly strings for years, but got tired of changing strings after every match. They just lose tension way too fast for me. I switched to NG and really liked them . I played with NG for about two years but have since switched to Wilson NXT. I honestly like the NXT better than both NG or poly strings.
Bjorn Borg he was stringing at 84 i think on a Slazenger Challenge 1 and he was breaking rackets rather than strings I love CatGut and
Better today as a hybrid at 58/56
ARe there some god strings for a babolat pure aero team and what kg should i string them with
I see a lot of comment that say what I was thinking. (Julian N, Key largo, Tan Chirasittikom) are on the right track. Look at players like Andre Gomez, and Pete Sampras had not problem with power nor control when they played with a full bed of natural gut. The racket would also need more tension. i also believe that a smaller head w/full bed of gut will give you the combination you wanted. Gut is bar far the most arm friendly string available on the market.
I have tried the Federer set-up(Gut mains/Alu rough crosses) on my RF-97(368g) and it was by far the best string combo I have ever used, but expensive. I think Nik could experiment with Gut/poly at a higher swing weight, more H/L balance and slightly higher tension like most on ATP who use this combo. Nik seems to be using no customisation, his favourite poly at 44lb, which works very well for him, He has the size and strength to easily cope with a higher swing weight? I wonder if he has ever gone down that path in his tennis journey?
Tried it too at 55lbs, absolutly loved it but they price is just too much. But now everything else seems like cheap and bad strings.
What did you string at ?
@@TimTheMusicMan @ 62lb, because I use such a 'high mass' set-up.
What does Alu rough crosses mean? I just have full poly rn and want to switch to what you said, price doesn't matter for me
He uses Luxilon Alu power crosses@@famz8295
had to watch this after listening to the tennisnerd podcast... don't know how even a matchup this is. 55lbs in a 100 seems very low for gut. would love to see this test at various tensions
Anna with no chill lol. “When he was fat” 🪦
😂🙌🙌
I feel like gut excelled in the smaller old school racquets with a thin beam like the PS 85 and Prestige line. Not a good combo with modern frames. Good vid Nik, thanks for sharing!
Many top pros still use natural gut, but in a combo configuration. Federer plays with Luxilon/Gut combo.
Working & feels great in RF97 v11 / 25,5KG full bed. Tension maintenance on top. I Love it.
i am agree with this. NICK, please try again with other racquets.
I'm tipping a prince 93p 18x20 strung at 55 will go perfectly, modern racquets definetly dont work well with it.
@@maxpowers4436 True. I personally know of no one who uses a full bed of gut. Pro or otherwise. Just isn't practical with the co-polys on the market
My question is if I don’t want power, I want control spin and touch, s/v and drop shots, what racket and string combo snd tension should I use. I also don’t want any racket that is larger than a 95. Apparently the WPS 85 is back for sale in Europe only. Wonder if I should go back to this.
Dunlop cx 200 tour. Reverse hybrid strings. Some lead here and there.
Some time for testing.
Happy hitting
Hey Nick. I use head lynx and it does not snap back after using for two or three days and creates gap like this natural gut. Why is this so.
P.S i tried high tension as well as low
Hi! I got a little interested of Kirschbaum Super Smash! :) How much tension do you use when stinging it?
I think he uses low 40s but I’m not to sure
This is interesting for me to rewatch as I have started using Spikey smash based on your recommendation for about a week. There is no arm/elbow pain and I enjoy the spin on second serve and the feeling w/ topspin. The flat serve is a lot less powerful though. One thing you don't mention is how long I can keep this nice feeling that the strings snap back and you can't hit out. I read people saying poly goes dead in a few weeks (whether you play with it or not) and one reason pros use it is b/c they restring before each match?
To play devil's advocate, in my string research, I learned that back in 2006 or 2007, Djokovic played w/ a full bed of X-1 Biphase (a very soft Multifilament allegedly the closest to Gut). I don't know if this was b/c of sponsorship but it's impressive he could compete w/ some of the modern players using multifilament.
I tried Klip Legend Gut (1.35) on mains and Alu Power 1.25 on crosses on my Blade v7 (18x20) and it feels amazing. Easy spin and depth. Slices are lasers and slice serves are faster than usual. Flat shots are less controlled but not by much since the 1.35 string is on a dense 18x20 pattern. Lastly, even in a hybrid, I feel less fatigue in my arm even after 2 hours of heavy grinding. Klip Legend gut only costs $29.99 and lasts surprisingly long.
Same here, used Klip mains, Element cross 48# on my blade 8 pro and just love it. Amazing power, so comfortable and lasts long!!
@@bmanbusee3812 Horrible how?
I’m a little confused. I thought gut added power, not reduced it? I’m hearing you say you aren’t getting any power from it. Can someone explain to me?
you can use string savers to keep the strings from moving out of alignment
I switched to a Clash racket with VS gut 16 @ 48 lbs after I had a tennis elbow. No problems since.
Using string savers helps extend the life by quite a bit and also prevents the strings from moving too much.
After Babolat increased prices by $10 I switched to Volkl natural gut, it’s “only” $37, plays similar and lasts the same.
Surprised you can use full gut in a Clash. That racquet is supposed to eat through synthetic strings, so it must destroy gut.
need to see super smash vs. Natural Gut/SuperSmash hybrid.
What mono poly strings are they, the make?
It's the best string that i've ever used but expensive. Nice thing is that it doesn't loose tension like poly does
Hi Nikola I just started playing tennis couple weeks ago and was wondering if you could recommend me a string. I currently have a old wrist injury from years back that still flares up occasionally. What is your recommendation for arm friendly strings?
Full synthetic gut.
good day nick, what string tension would you recommend for polyester strings on a 107 frame? thanks
Depends on the string but generally sub 50lbs
can you do a play test of the hyper g string?
Hyper g soft! My favorite now!
name gauge and tension of the mono poly please
You say you strung the natural gut at 55 while you're used at 40. The loss of power is right there in my book. You didn't say how much tension you put with the polyester in your comparison. I string my Aeropro Drive with Pro Hurricane Tour, 16 gauge, at 60. When the tension goes down to 50 and under, I start "spraying" my shots. I used to wait til my strings broke but I don't anymore. Not worth the frustration. By the way, I once had a tennis elbow as well as a golfer's elbow on the same right elbow. I have a right hand forehand. I couls barely hold my racket but I kept on playing, even with the excriuciating pain that I felt each and everytime that I hit the ball. Until... Until I could barely hold my racket. And then I hit that perfect forehand that came out of my racket like a bullet and I didn't feel any pain at all. I had an epiphany moment. I just hit the ball with a very relaxed arm and wrist, with an extended arm and with the ball more in front than usual. That was the trick. It was all a matter of technique. Talk about learning the hard way. Once I understood that, I started hitting that way and, lo and behold, I got rid of the pain within a month, all the while still playing 4 times a week. That was 10 years ago. The pain never came back. I still string at 60 and don't even bother using a damper.
I like natural gut full bed or blend! But polyester is king in todays game because it does give more control but I played pretty well with gut I was 5.0 level now I’m 4.5
A set of NG strings costs more than my current racket itself ))) I got Prince Tour 98 Pro in ideal condition for less than 100 bucks and I love this racket with Hyper G strings so far. But I really want to try gut someday! Edit: I don't want anymore )))) question: how often do you restring your racket?
I have this same racquet! I use Tourna Big Hitter Silver 7 Tour and I really enjoy it. Crisp string matches well with the soft frame.
What is the string tension on the natural gut? Maybe that’s why there is so much movement?
for gut, i feel that the ball gets more much on the string, but what I hate is the string always always moves. I have to correct the string from time to time.
How often do you replace your poly strings Nick ?
synthetic gut yawned at my first match, her blood pressure dropped, I had it done 24/24, is this normal?
gut/poly gives you spin power and touch..... with the right tension you cant go back to FB poly afterwards, you have strung that gut too loose on that already too powerful 16x19 pure drive, thats already a very powerful racquet. for reference I string gut/poly on my prince 93P 18x20 at 52lbs
The Pure Drive was developed when poly came out. I cannot think of an older player that used gut in a Pure Drive Blaster Machine,
Nick, how much tension do you have on the racket with the kirschbaum stringing?
Depends. For teaching 38 for playing 42-46 depending on conditions and surface
I was an avid Hyper-G user until I tore my extensor tendon and needed to find something softer. Switched to a hybrid of Babolat VS Touch 16 Mains / ALU Power crosses and have never looked back. Great blend of comfort, power and control. The racquet has a plush (my analog to your "buttery") feel, adequate power and excellent control. Curious if there is much difference between the 16 and 17 gauges of VS Touch?
Also tell your string tensions on both main and crosses...
@@niceguy5430 mains - 54 lbs, crosses - 52 lbs in a Babolat Pure Aero
gut with poly crosses is great and doesnt get stuck, especially if you lube it up with silicone every now and then to keep it fresh. Technically that is illegal but for amatuers where you have the guys serve foot faults 2 feet into the court, tough luck..
i nick , is it possible to combine the natural gut with poly string? lets say, natural gut on the main and poly string on the cross? thanks
Of course
@@IntuitiveTennis thanks nick ..
the sound of the natural gut is very nice
I don’t know but is your racquet the best racquet to use for the test? Of course, you’re able to notice the difference but to do proper justice to this string maybe a control - and not power - oriented racquet would be better? I’m using gut on my Yonex VCorePro (18x20 stringing) and can only say it’s a perfect combo.
Also, gut doesn’t give you more spin, it’s the opposite and better suited for flat hitters.
My question is if I don’t want power, I want control spin and touch, s/v and drop shots, what racket and string combo snd tension should I use. I also don’t want any racket that is larger than a 95. Apparently the WPS 85 is back for sale in Europe only. Wonder if I should go back to this.
I have the VC pro 95D. What do you recommend for this ?
Its my favorite string too Kirschbaum super smash orange..
Great string
Back in the day when we used natural gut we strung it in the 60s. I believe the rackets back in the day were less forgiving.
i can see how much it affects ur mental game, after a few shots u dont move ur legs at all, even ur best shot the serve happens with all arms
Stringing with a full bed of gut is a waste of money. It won’t last long at all. Best to use it as a hybrid.
Would you recommend kirschbaum super smash for rec level? I've been using poly/multi or poly/natural gut strings for half a year now and wouldn't mind some extra pop
Ι've played with the Kirschbaum Super Smash Honey and Kirschbaum Max Power. Both felt low-powered, which is completely fine by me, because I take big swings anyway. They both offered great feel, touch and control. I highly recommend you try the Max Power at 22kg.
In my experience with testing various tennis strings so far, the Isospeed Cream and Black Fire will offer you easy depth/power.
@@experientialtennis Thanks! I actually hit balls long too often, so would your recommendations help or hurt me?
@@HankHell41 I think so, yes. Of course, the highest you have your racket strung, the less power and more feel you'll get. But I haven't hot higher than 22 kg / 48.5lbs. For me, go for one of these two Kirschbaum strings. I have to disagree with the name of the Max Power. Don't know why the named it that way. It wasn't powerful but your amazing overall. If you're in Europe, you may give the String Kong Banana Bite 1.19 a shot. Low-powered as well and after half an hour of hitting (break-in period) I couldn't miss a shot. I was very surprised by it. Last, check Stringlab strings.
All these 3 brands: Kirschbaum, String Kong and Stringlab are quite cheap, around 10€ per set, and play very well. Look me up on instagram where I post string reviews.
@@experientialtennis hmm.. here in the U.S., they made the name simply "Orange" I've just started using it for a week based on Coach Nick's video/recommendation @ 22 kg. I don't see many people talking about it; how long should this nice feeling of the strings snapping back and the feeling the ball will land w/ topspin stay? If it can last 5-6 sessions I'll be happy as I string my own frames.
I have used natty gut in the mains for years, and there is no replacement for me. I have tried all of the high end synthetic gut strings and they are all inferior by far. Natural gut has better control than synthetic, and the playability and durability lasts way longer than any type of string on the market for me, which actually makes it more cost effective, even with the high price tag. Even when it frays it still retains the same great playability till it breaks, which is almost never for me. All of my slice shots are lower, more accurate, and more penetrating. I refuse to use any other string in the mains. I will admit that with a full bed of natural gut the control is only good for a few sessions, which is not cost effective for me, so I use a low powered polyester in the crosses.
Looks like you're using a Pure Drive maybe so presumably a 100 sq. inch head size. Note that 55 lbs. tension for full bed of natural gut in a 100 sq. inch frame is pretty low so control will suffer accordingly. Using 17G gut will further compound the control issue. I use to string my Wilson PS 85 with a full bed of 16G Gut at 60 lbs. & provided excellent control. Try bumping the tension to minimum 65 lbs. in that frame (for full bed of gut) & my guess is you'll have much better control & presumably a different conclusion.
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It's actually the opposite. Natural gut gives more power than poly. However, because it's harder to control that power you compensate by slowing down your swing speed. This is exacerbated by using a pure drive which is a powerful racquet. That's the real reason why nobody is using a full bed of natural gut in any Babolat racquets or even most modern racquets. They come with way more power than old school racquets.
Definetly need very low powered frame to use full natural gut, I reckon a Prince 93P would go great with a full bed. In my experience you also got to string it really tight like close to 60, you will still have heaps of comfort because of the nature of the string.
And a thin gut,like sampras used to play
My question is if I don’t want power, I want control spin and touch, s/v and drop shots, what racket and string combo snd tension should I use. I also don’t want any racket that is larger than a 95. Apparently the WPS 85 is back for sale in Europe only. Wonder if I should go back to this.
@@TimTheMusicManAny very thin beam and heavyish, headlight frame will be good. Modern prostaff 97 might be too powerful but an older prostaff 90 or 95 or 85 could be great. I recommend demoing a prince 93p with gut or multi!
Stringing gut really tight won't reduce the the touch, comfort or tension maintenance because of the nature of the elastic fibres. I would string it up at 60lbs and work down from there or keep it. Sampras strung at 70lbs, Borg at 80lbs (in wood!), Federer in Hybrid 57lbs
Having watched several videos I'm convinced this guy doesn't really know what he's talking about. He's put gut in a frame built for polys 🙄
@@joeyslats31 thank you. Very informative. I have heard a lot about that prince model I am going to try it along with the ps85. I just have to figure out the mains and crosses and what to use. Seems like it’s going to be trail and error approach. Thanks.
Although it is true that a set of natural gut costs more than a set of (good) poly, because the set of nat gut will last a lot longer than the set (or two, or three sets) of poly, the actual cost is not a whole lot more.