I am so, SO glad you switched from in-line shoulders to stacked shoulders. There's so many devices that do in-line shoulders, and it always feels just awful. Stacked is just so much more intuitive and easy to use.
Ditto, look forward to DS emulation the most actually. Did not even occur me that this could be used in vertical. At this point so conditioned to DS games being in landscape and eyes being mostly shifted to the left where the action is happening. Glad to hear vertical will be an option.
Definitely. Most ways of doing ds emulation kinda suck (landscape handhelds or pc getting the dual screen right is hard, and any current controllers that have phone grips don't support vertical)
That was also my favorite part, I just hope the d pad is still clicky while they are trying to make it silent. I also hope the frosted clear version doesn't become yellow over time. I hear clear plastic on game controllers can become yellow because of oxidation, uv light, heat, humidity, etc. If you think about it, the controls being to the left and right of the bottom screen and the top screen being above, Is just like the original DS. Aside from actually playing on a 3ds or ds, this is the closest I've seen a controller for emulation get to an authentic feeling ds.
@@guykozlovskij9127That's why the DNA Duo exists, it's an OLED portable display that attaches to mostly any device to make DS/3DS/WiiU Emulation perfect.
I’m with the others on not dedicating time for the Xbox royalties thing. I believe the demographic for this product is everyone who wants to game on their phone so, being able to play streamed games defeats the purpose imo. P.S. I’m so glad you’ve made it this far Josh! Can’t wait to play on my phone with your (and OhSnap’s) finished product! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
The Xbox thing is specifically to make the controller work with an Xbox console. It will work with XCloud streaming regardless. Agree that it's definitely not worth spending development time and money on.
This partnership absolutely blows my mind. Been a big fan of Josh and his project ever since his first RUclips video dropped. And with Dale, I’ll admit, it was not love at first sight. I was a “popsocket stan” for years and saw reviews the first few oh snap grips were awful... all that seem to change with the Luxe4 model. It still took months of me watching IG ads to be persuaded, but I finally pulled the trigger and bought TWO oh snap grips. Best decision ever! You wouldn’t think a phone grip would change your day-to-day life all that much but it totally did. The design is superior in every way to what I was using before. So the news that the kid in his bedroom trying to make a MagSafe gaming controller was gonna be collaborating with one of the best (albeit not the biggest) phone accessory manufacturers…it’s the unexpected match made in heaven. Seeing these two minds, collaborate to overcome tedious, yet important design decisions is nothing short of inspirational. Huge kudos to already passing your Kickstarter goal. I’m so proud to be a backer and can’t wait to see where this all leads!
That's a great format, guys 👍 That's how brands should present their products! I wasn't a fan of the middle gap in the controller and the whole spring mechanism thing, but after listening to you, I understand now why it's there, so now I really want to try it) And also I think the naming like Ohsnap Controller may be more fitting to this device than Mcon, because of the "Snap!" sound when you open it😊
Quiet buttons are a great choice for those of us who enjoy playing at night next to our significant other. The DS vertical orientation also seems awesome. Im not sure if it was addressed or if it is possible, but some subtle lighting for the buttons would be awesome (with a shortcut to turn the light off please) I'm just thinking of all the places where I get bored and would now have a quick play session.
Day 1 backer and I can't wait for this! Just want to add my 2 cents that the portrait orientation is a VERY cool feature that I hope you don't abandon. The ability to play DS games in portrait will be amazing so please don't tweak the design to the point of removing that functionality. Also, in terms of button feel: I appreciate quieter buttons. I think it's important for a portable device. Keep up the awesome work guys! EDIT: Also want to add that I appreciate your commitment to right-to-repair Josh. Definitely feels like the right thing for companies to do IMO.
I absolutely agree with Josh's takes on what makes good buttons and dpads. Follow that vision to completion and you will have the most widely enjoyed controller on the market. Happy to be a backer. And cant wait to have a controller with this much thought put into it.
I appreciate the obvious passion you both have. Congrats on the overwhelming success of the kickstarter. I say keep the vertical orientation option. In addition to DS emulation, some mobile games are designed for vertical orientation and maximum compatibility should be the major goal here. Looking forward to getting the final release, thanks for getting this off the ground! Keep up the great work.
Absolutely amazing product! Backed it up! :) love the vertical mode and the idea behind specific phone plates is great! As a fellow Moonlight/Sunshine user I can’t wait to get mine!
Love the deep dive insights to what you guys are already working on/taking feedback for. The right to repair and 3D print mods for the controller I think will be amazing to go hand in hand with the M-Con's universal nature. You already don't have to worry if this will be compatible with your next phone upgrade, but if there was something that felt off going from your old phone to a new one you could print an adjustment to fix any of those issues. Also love that you already planning on getting feedback from Russ who already has the "Contra/Shoryukenable/hadokenable" dpad tests. And all of his other quality insights to what makes a controller great. You guys are absolutely killing it and I can't wait to see the next update. Also can't wait to see another amazing Amanda commercial for the M-Con!
"Oh snap!" 😛 is what I said when I saw the ad for this and I immediately backed it. So excited to see that the company I've entrusted my phone grip / mount / stand to for YEARS has put their expertise into another awesome product. I love how sincere both of you come across, and the genuine interest you express in doing this the 'right' way. Everyone has their own opinions but you're doing great. The vertical option is mind blowing, especially for emulation, and I'd like to see a potentially rotatable extension plate or some other method to still allow access to the joysticks when in vertical mode. The ability to use the plate as a stand and disconnect the controller would be sweet, when I lay in bed my hands are warm under the covers when I play my switch, and if I'm on my phone my arms tend to get tired and cold. Love the customization. The only thing I'll say about licensing to work directly with an Xbox is - without that, will a mapping software be needed? As long as you can play Xbox games through your phone linked to game pass or the like, I don't think it's truly necessary, but experience has shown me button mapping can be buggy. Working with the switch/2 might be cool too. I know nothing is truly universal, but what y'all are doing is amazing. Regardless of what the final design is, it will be miles above not having one. I'm really impatient to play Hades on my phone with it 😆 tired of my fingers cramping! Can't wait for mine! And the clear is cool, but so would a frosted clear-black 😎
As for the Vertical emulation, we might be able to emulate 3DS in the future, if so it would then be nice if we could also use the controller vertical and still use the joysticks. Looking forward to the release!
While it would be neat to have the added functionality of Xbox, if there's "royalties" involved, I'd say it's absolutely not worth it for y'all to lose money on sales for an extremely niche feature.
Love the focus on speed and ease. I’ve tried controllers like the Razer Kishi, and even though that thing folds up pretty small, it was enough of a hassle to unfold it, take my phone case off, etc. that I just never used it. I’m usually a clicky button kind of guy but in this context I think the silent buttons make a lot of sense, I’m definitely going to be using it out in public and would rather not have people stare at me because my loud ass phone controller. I love the possibility to use this in a vertical orientation! Never even considered that possibility but it would make emulating DS games SO clutch.
Call of Duty mobile, on most phone controller addons, they need screen mapping software and very buggy. If you connect an Xbox controller to your phone, it just works. Does this work without needing screen mapping software? It's question I posted to the Kickstarter 2 times and no answer at all. And what version of Bluetooth does this support? The newest version (5.4) keeps lag low but, keeps backwards compatibility with everything and better battery life. If now is the time, going to the latest will have an advantage here.
Probably does require mapping software. On android you can use - Mantis Gamepad Pro app for that. Sadly iOS doesn't have such capabilities due to Apple restrictions.
@@SRC267 I have a controller addon that is Bluetooth that DOES NOT NEED Screen mapping software, I have another one that does. Not sure how it does it but, emulates the Xbox controls on it. I was wondering if THIS DEVICE supports it. Even when using screen mapping software (that needed CRAZY PERMISSIONS) it was very clumsy and didn't work as good as native support..... I supported the Kickstarter on notice, posted 2 times on the Kickstarter, no reply from anyone, now here, still no reply, very disappointed on something a lot of people who place COD mobile are interested in knowing.
It’s pretty impressive to see how much thought has been put into that design. I need a couple of hours with this thing. Can I drive to you guys? #cantwait 😂
God I've been so excited since Josh announced the concept last year (or the previous year, I can't remember), excited to get the frosted transparent one as a day 1 backer!!! Only thing i wish was included was maybe a 5000/10000 mAh power bank but I'd imagine that would make it more heavy (though i wouldn't personally mind). Can't wait to customize the controller with some different colored buttons or joysticks or what the 3d printing community does with this controller.
I am so surprised that there has been nothing like this until now, Magsafe has really given people a lot of unique ideas for accessories. I love playing games on my phone and I've gone through a multitude of peripherals, from Bluetooth controllers to mounted controllers, I had the razer Kishi for a while and now I have the backbone, but they are all still so cumbersome to set up. Keeping this attached to my phone while being able to take phone calls or use the device regularly is amazing.
I'm a big proponent of USB-C connectivity. If I was to game on my phone, I'm gonna want to use the max power of the CPU/GPU that that phone has to offer. Having USB-C PD would be excellent. You keep your phone charged during game play, the joystick is connected for zero lag, and your phone should be set to run at max specs. I would highly recommend this as a priority for your first production milestone. Also, for lag, if you want to test a game that has significant lag with BT vs wired, play NES Mike Tyson's punch out, its a drag for BT devices.
Not sure if someone asked this but will you still be able to separate the controller portion from the top plate and use the top plate as a kickstand like you could in the original prototype? I think this would be an awesome option and maybe a stretch goal?
@@luipaardprintthe new one acts as a stand but the old one you could actually use the controller while the phone would be on the table with a stand. This is not possible from the looks of it with the new version.
I don't forsee this happening. Mainly because that would start to cannibalize potential sales of the Snap 4 Luxe. Not only does using the Snap 4 Luxe give you a grip plus stand, it eliminates the need for one of the pucks. Which depending on the phone/case combo you could get by with just having a Snap 4 Luxe on your phone and not needing the pucks at all. I imagine they will probably start offering bundles of the Snap 4 Luxe with the M-Con for this very reason. But I could be wrong.
Great video that awnsers basically all the questions i had. Really glad to be supporting this project and i cant wait to see how future iterations might look like. When it comes to Xbox Wireless support i honestly believe it isn't worth it. This device is mobile focused with the nice to have ability to use it on PC because, well, mobile phones use the Xinput standard, same thing as most PC games. Adding on top of that would just add cost for the very small minority of people that, for some reason, would prefer to use this controller over a normal console controller.
I am DEFINITELY interested in wired connection. Because of the form factor, I’m interested in using this for pc gaming as well. I don’t mind it being Bluetooth only, but wired would be a welcome addition
My thoughts on the things you wanted feedback for as one of your backers. (Sold on the idea from the day Josh uploaded his original video.) The made for Xbox thing doesn't really matter to me, maybe a gen 2 thing I vote ergonomics over vertical screen gaming. The screens would probably be too small for DS emulation imo. The folding phone would be sick DS emulation though! I'm fully behind right to repair over "design" (hiding screws and glue). Maybe color matching the screws would be a happy medium. Love the idea of leaning into the 3d printing stuff. I think this controller will have a strong community. I'm typically a buy the black color person, but I'm gonna go for the frosted case. Loved the open discussion video!
Please do keep the D-Pad and face buttons accessible with the phone oriented vertically. Emulated DS games are some of the highest quality titles we have access to on the entire mobile platform right now. Vertical support is a huge boon.
Vertical mode definately holds value given there are very few good DS and 3DS emulation experiences beyond just playing on the original consoles. The aspect ratio of the average phone screen accommodates DS/3DS emulation very well, but controller offerings that support a vertical orientation are nigh-nonexistant. It may be worth considering making a wider/larger version of the m-con to allow this kind of flexibility if better vertical mode support negatively impairs the ergonomics.
Right to repair is super helpful! I agree that everyone has preferences and there is no perfect controller. But being able to have a modular/semimodular controller would open up so many options. I think this project has alot of eyes on it and has so much community support. With CAD files, I see this becoming the defacto controller for most if not all mobile gaming.
For 3ds emulation you'd still need the analogs. So it's nice that with the 3D printing option we might be able to get a higher mount plate that could allow for the vertical phone to not cover the analog sticks
My most requested feature on my Backbone is launching a front end automatically when the controller is connected. It would be amazing if there was a button that could launch a specific Android Launcher e.g. Daijisho.
If they don't end up providing their own u should use Mantis Gamepad Pro but avoid using octopus at all cost they refused to refund me after it turned out their app doesn't work on Android 9 and higher
Personally, I would be willing to give up the thumb sticks and only have one trigger button on either side, if it would make the controller thinner. I'm mainly looking for a replacement for my old Xperia Play so I can play emulated games. Maybe someday there could be two SKUs, one standard size, and one "ultra thin", so the phone and controller both fit together in the same pocket. Thanks for all the hard work on this!
M3 and m4 buttons on the back would be dope. Especially where your index fingers would sit when holding. Have the ohsnap luxe pro and cannot wait to get the mcon. Thank you for showing it with a foldable! Also the buttons to extend maybe being a tad bit wider? Looks a bit cumbersome at the moment especially for us folks with giant hands (6'4") but sooooo PUMPED thank you for doing what Sony slept on. Cannot wait for future versions and models!
The camera cut out plate is cool and all, but for the vast majority of us we have cases on our phones. And one of the original reasons I was interested in this is because I would NOT have to take my case off to use it. Since you are prioritizing speed that is an absolute necessity. So I am glad by default are going with a plate that can accept a wide range of phones with or without cases on them. Also you do not have to go through the trouble of making it work for Xbox and Playstation lol.
If you add another locking point for the handles at that ~30deg angle you demoed where you slot your finger between the handle and the controller body, it could act as a great stand-angle. Also, if you really want to hide the screws, you can put them under the handles.
I was REALLY really concerned about Vertical Mode not working since I love playing DS games on my phone! It's so awesome that it works for now and I would love for you guys to include it as a design constraint going forward!
I really like all the things you said. So no pushback from me on anything. I’m won’t ever use it with my Xbox so I don’t care about that. I like the idea of being able to play vertical games with it too so as long as it isn’t detracting from something else I’d like that feature. I also think a future upgrade path for picky people to pick particular switches would be cool, but I don’t think that should be a prior to release concern. I’ll be interested in a custom plate for my particular iPhone if you get those out. The only thing I can think of as an additional feature: it would be cool if it could wirelessly charge my phone. Plug the controller in and essentially game uninterrupted as long as I want even if both it and my phone were at 1%. That’s going to add a lot to the cost though so I think it would be great on a later version, but it’s not something for this kickstarter version.
The gap could be reduced by just having the circle part as the mount "plate" so that the camera bump isnt conflicting with the currently rectangular plate. It can be futher reduced by recessing the magnet into the ring by the depth of the single puck. Edit:spelling
Really smart details like the wake button being one of the hidden buttons. Very excited for this product. ever consider a "Have an iPhone" model to not waste the universal mount?
Do wonder if it is possible to make a mini version of it. Like maybe for for the sticks use the same technology as those nubs on ThinkPad laptops as they move kind of like a stick and click in like a stick. If it is possible I definitely would like a miniaturized version available.
One potential idea to think about would be to add wireless charging to the MCON through the connecting plate, to allow charging the controller through the use of reverse wireless charging (for the phones that support it). Not sure how possible it would be, but would be a cool party trick to charge it without relying on cables.
A lack of a puck (just slapping the phone on with my case) would be perfect but understandable why it’s necessary. Also, the alignment magnet doesn’t seem to make a difference. Adding it makes it seem more Apple-centric.
While it might be easy to retrofit that, you could include a NFC tag to be able to automatically launch something on the phone once you connect the controller
D-Pad wise that no one mentions which is super underrated... hands down my favorite one: Wii Classic Pro controller. | Ohsnap, consider to try that one for yourselves.
Did I miss if they said what type of controlers they are going to use. Hall effect or standard analog? Also no need for the extra money for xbox consol comparability on ny part I have xbox controlers for that. Id hate to have to keep changing the pairing every time I change from ohone to xbox.
I would love to have the option to use micro switches on all connections. Personally I've found membrane to be extremely flaky. I understand why you want quiet buttons, but it's not a big problem for me personally. You mentioned it's possible to have different configurations with different switches, so just throwing my vote out there.
Love the right to repair... Well done broskis.. better than any controller out there already... Razor PlayStation Xbox can't figure out something like this crazy good stuff
You mention "foldables", but I'm hoping smaller ones like the Samsung Flip or Motorola Razor are supported in some way. Since the center of those phones is the hinge followed by an outer screen, the puck may not be able to move far enough to center the controller. Hopefully I don't need to switch my phone to use this. 😬
I am so, SO glad you switched from in-line shoulders to stacked shoulders. There's so many devices that do in-line shoulders, and it always feels just awful. Stacked is just so much more intuitive and easy to use.
Could not agree more
I do generally agree, though I was able to get used to in-line shoulders after a while without it impeding gameplay. It’s just uncomfortable at first.
23:25 vertical mode is going to be amazing for DS emulation
Ditto, look forward to DS emulation the most actually. Did not even occur me that this could be used in vertical. At this point so conditioned to DS games being in landscape and eyes being mostly shifted to the left where the action is happening. Glad to hear vertical will be an option.
Definitely. Most ways of doing ds emulation kinda suck (landscape handhelds or pc getting the dual screen right is hard, and any current controllers that have phone grips don't support vertical)
That was also my favorite part, I just hope the d pad is still clicky while they are trying to make it silent.
I also hope the frosted clear version doesn't become yellow over time.
I hear clear plastic on game controllers can become yellow because of oxidation, uv light, heat, humidity, etc.
If you think about it, the controls being to the left and right of the bottom screen and the top screen being above,
Is just like the original DS.
Aside from actually playing on a 3ds or ds, this is the closest I've seen a controller for emulation get to an authentic feeling ds.
@@guykozlovskij9127That's why the DNA Duo exists, it's an OLED portable display that attaches to mostly any device to make DS/3DS/WiiU Emulation perfect.
This is the first implementation of a controller I've seen that works with DS emulation like this. VERY glad I made a purchase now!
I’m with the others on not dedicating time for the Xbox royalties thing. I believe the demographic for this product is everyone who wants to game on their phone so, being able to play streamed games defeats the purpose imo.
P.S. I’m so glad you’ve made it this far Josh! Can’t wait to play on my phone with your (and OhSnap’s) finished product! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
The Xbox thing is specifically to make the controller work with an Xbox console. It will work with XCloud streaming regardless. Agree that it's definitely not worth spending development time and money on.
Me: They should ask Russ from Retro Game Corp about button feel.
Them: "We asked Russ from Retro Game Corp about button feel."
Me: Hell yea.
Grab your favorite snack and drink and ask Russ about buttons
Yeah man they did it
This partnership absolutely blows my mind. Been a big fan of Josh and his project ever since his first RUclips video dropped. And with Dale, I’ll admit, it was not love at first sight. I was a “popsocket stan” for years and saw reviews the first few oh snap grips were awful... all that seem to change with the Luxe4 model. It still took months of me watching IG ads to be persuaded, but I finally pulled the trigger and bought TWO oh snap grips. Best decision ever! You wouldn’t think a phone grip would change your day-to-day life all that much but it totally did. The design is superior in every way to what I was using before.
So the news that the kid in his bedroom trying to make a MagSafe gaming controller was gonna be collaborating with one of the best (albeit not the biggest) phone accessory manufacturers…it’s the unexpected match made in heaven.
Seeing these two minds, collaborate to overcome tedious, yet important design decisions is nothing short of inspirational. Huge kudos to already passing your Kickstarter goal. I’m so proud to be a backer and can’t wait to see where this all leads!
I love how genuinely into it they both are. I have full confidence this thing will go crazy. Can’t wait to get mine 🔥
That's a great format, guys 👍 That's how brands should present their products!
I wasn't a fan of the middle gap in the controller and the whole spring mechanism thing, but after listening to you, I understand now why it's there, so now I really want to try it)
And also I think the naming like Ohsnap Controller may be more fitting to this device than Mcon, because of the "Snap!" sound when you open it😊
Quiet buttons are a great choice for those of us who enjoy playing at night next to our significant other.
The DS vertical orientation also seems awesome.
Im not sure if it was addressed or if it is possible, but some subtle lighting for the buttons would be awesome (with a shortcut to turn the light off please)
I'm just thinking of all the places where I get bored and would now have a quick play session.
Awesome work and congrats on being 5760% funded!
😂 that number sounds like a typo but its for real
Seeing the compatibility with the Galaxy Fold sold me. Can't wait
I bought this before I remembered I have a Galaxy Flip. I hope they make that compatible, too.
Day 1 backer and I can't wait for this! Just want to add my 2 cents that the portrait orientation is a VERY cool feature that I hope you don't abandon. The ability to play DS games in portrait will be amazing so please don't tweak the design to the point of removing that functionality. Also, in terms of button feel: I appreciate quieter buttons. I think it's important for a portable device. Keep up the awesome work guys!
EDIT: Also want to add that I appreciate your commitment to right-to-repair Josh. Definitely feels like the right thing for companies to do IMO.
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With each update, I’m more and more ready to try this thing. 😱
Love the commitment to right to repair. Makes me feel better as a Kickstarter backer!
This kid is about to be a millionaire within the next year
I absolutely agree with Josh's takes on what makes good buttons and dpads. Follow that vision to completion and you will have the most widely enjoyed controller on the market.
Happy to be a backer. And cant wait to have a controller with this much thought put into it.
I appreciate the obvious passion you both have. Congrats on the overwhelming success of the kickstarter. I say keep the vertical orientation option. In addition to DS emulation, some mobile games are designed for vertical orientation and maximum compatibility should be the major goal here.
Looking forward to getting the final release, thanks for getting this off the ground! Keep up the great work.
Def don't waste money on xbox licensing, I'm not gonna use this with my xbox under any circumstances.
I love the Idea of going quiet with the buttons , its going to help when playing on the go or places when your not at home
or even just gaming in apartments with super thin walls at night 😂
The portrait mode is excellent for emulation. Your example of Pokémon was spot-on.
Can't wait for it to be rewarded by EVERY youtube tech chanel
Absolutely amazing product! Backed it up! :) love the vertical mode and the idea behind specific phone plates is great!
As a fellow Moonlight/Sunshine user I can’t wait to get mine!
Ds emulation was something i was actually thinking about when i saw the new design! Pretty cool that it seems possible.
Cant wait for mine!
This is why I am an Ohsnap fan. This is whole thing is so cool and functional. Kudos to you both.
Josh we wish you all the best
The vertical mode for DS emulation is a game changer!
Love the deep dive insights to what you guys are already working on/taking feedback for. The right to repair and 3D print mods for the controller I think will be amazing to go hand in hand with the M-Con's universal nature. You already don't have to worry if this will be compatible with your next phone upgrade, but if there was something that felt off going from your old phone to a new one you could print an adjustment to fix any of those issues.
Also love that you already planning on getting feedback from Russ who already has the "Contra/Shoryukenable/hadokenable" dpad tests. And all of his other quality insights to what makes a controller great.
You guys are absolutely killing it and I can't wait to see the next update. Also can't wait to see another amazing Amanda commercial for the M-Con!
30:14 - it would be good to snap on different dpad styles. Like the Elite controller circular pad, good for fighting games.
"Oh snap!" 😛 is what I said when I saw the ad for this and I immediately backed it. So excited to see that the company I've entrusted my phone grip / mount / stand to for YEARS has put their expertise into another awesome product. I love how sincere both of you come across, and the genuine interest you express in doing this the 'right' way. Everyone has their own opinions but you're doing great.
The vertical option is mind blowing, especially for emulation, and I'd like to see a potentially rotatable extension plate or some other method to still allow access to the joysticks when in vertical mode. The ability to use the plate as a stand and disconnect the controller would be sweet, when I lay in bed my hands are warm under the covers when I play my switch, and if I'm on my phone my arms tend to get tired and cold.
Love the customization.
The only thing I'll say about licensing to work directly with an Xbox is - without that, will a mapping software be needed? As long as you can play Xbox games through your phone linked to game pass or the like, I don't think it's truly necessary, but experience has shown me button mapping can be buggy.
Working with the switch/2 might be cool too.
I know nothing is truly universal, but what y'all are doing is amazing. Regardless of what the final design is, it will be miles above not having one. I'm really impatient to play Hades on my phone with it 😆 tired of my fingers cramping! Can't wait for mine!
And the clear is cool, but so would a frosted clear-black 😎
I can’t wait for this to drop I’m in love with this product! Finally someone who gets mobile gaming 👏🏾🔥🔥
As for the Vertical emulation, we might be able to emulate 3DS in the future, if so it would then be nice if we could also use the controller vertical and still use the joysticks.
Looking forward to the release!
A software overlay that adds the sticks at the bottom of the screen could make up for covering the sticks in vertical mode.
A possible solution but I think many people (including me) would like to use the physical sticks.
There are already some decent 3ds emulators on Android and while they still need work they play most games fine already
the vertical one is going to be so sick for emulating DS games OMG
vertical mode is dope
While it would be neat to have the added functionality of Xbox, if there's "royalties" involved, I'd say it's absolutely not worth it for y'all to lose money on sales for an extremely niche feature.
Good to know Josh is a spirited man
Love the focus on speed and ease. I’ve tried controllers like the Razer Kishi, and even though that thing folds up pretty small, it was enough of a hassle to unfold it, take my phone case off, etc. that I just never used it.
I’m usually a clicky button kind of guy but in this context I think the silent buttons make a lot of sense, I’m definitely going to be using it out in public and would rather not have people stare at me because my loud ass phone controller.
I love the possibility to use this in a vertical orientation! Never even considered that possibility but it would make emulating DS games SO clutch.
Call of Duty mobile, on most phone controller addons, they need screen mapping software and very buggy. If you connect an Xbox controller to your phone, it just works. Does this work without needing screen mapping software? It's question I posted to the Kickstarter 2 times and no answer at all.
And what version of Bluetooth does this support? The newest version (5.4) keeps lag low but, keeps backwards compatibility with everything and better battery life. If now is the time, going to the latest will have an advantage here.
Probably does require mapping software. On android you can use - Mantis Gamepad Pro app for that. Sadly iOS doesn't have such capabilities due to Apple restrictions.
@@SRC267 Tried that once, I own a S23 Ultra, the permissions it needs is crazy, it's asking for your password for your wifi..... spam....
@@TheCoolDave doesn't ask me for password. You're doing something wrong
@@SRC267 I have a controller addon that is Bluetooth that DOES NOT NEED Screen mapping software, I have another one that does. Not sure how it does it but, emulates the Xbox controls on it. I was wondering if THIS DEVICE supports it. Even when using screen mapping software (that needed CRAZY PERMISSIONS) it was very clumsy and didn't work as good as native support.....
I supported the Kickstarter on notice, posted 2 times on the Kickstarter, no reply from anyone, now here, still no reply, very disappointed on something a lot of people who place COD mobile are interested in knowing.
@TheCoolDave the reason for permission is to minimise possible bans, as CODM is notorious for banning users for using controllers on phones.
It’s pretty impressive to see how much thought has been put into that design. I need a couple of hours with this thing. Can I drive to you guys? #cantwait 😂
I absolutely love the story Josh is creating. Invent something and OhSnap making it reality with him! 💯
God I've been so excited since Josh announced the concept last year (or the previous year, I can't remember), excited to get the frosted transparent one as a day 1 backer!!! Only thing i wish was included was maybe a 5000/10000 mAh power bank but I'd imagine that would make it more heavy (though i wouldn't personally mind). Can't wait to customize the controller with some different colored buttons or joysticks or what the 3d printing community does with this controller.
inb4 Josh and Ohsnap invent transparent aluminum.
Incredible product. I’m so happy to be a backer! 🎉
I'm super stoked for this, I cant wait for mine to ship !
I am so surprised that there has been nothing like this until now, Magsafe has really given people a lot of unique ideas for accessories. I love playing games on my phone and I've gone through a multitude of peripherals, from Bluetooth controllers to mounted controllers, I had the razer Kishi for a while and now I have the backbone, but they are all still so cumbersome to set up. Keeping this attached to my phone while being able to take phone calls or use the device regularly is amazing.
I'm a big proponent of USB-C connectivity. If I was to game on my phone, I'm gonna want to use the max power of the CPU/GPU that that phone has to offer. Having USB-C PD would be excellent. You keep your phone charged during game play, the joystick is connected for zero lag, and your phone should be set to run at max specs. I would highly recommend this as a priority for your first production milestone. Also, for lag, if you want to test a game that has significant lag with BT vs wired, play NES Mike Tyson's punch out, its a drag for BT devices.
Not sure if someone asked this but will you still be able to separate the controller portion from the top plate and use the top plate as a kickstand like you could in the original prototype?
I think this would be an awesome option and maybe a stretch goal?
They showed that in the first five minutes of the video.
@@luipaardprintthe new one acts as a stand but the old one you could actually use the controller while the phone would be on the table with a stand.
This is not possible from the looks of it with the new version.
I don't forsee this happening. Mainly because that would start to cannibalize potential sales of the Snap 4 Luxe. Not only does using the Snap 4 Luxe give you a grip plus stand, it eliminates the need for one of the pucks. Which depending on the phone/case combo you could get by with just having a Snap 4 Luxe on your phone and not needing the pucks at all. I imagine they will probably start offering bundles of the Snap 4 Luxe with the M-Con for this very reason. But I could be wrong.
I think they mentioned that in the FAQ page on the KS @@zeththedarkmage
HYPED!🎉
So excited about vertical mode on this for DS emulation!!
Great video that awnsers basically all the questions i had. Really glad to be supporting this project and i cant wait to see how future iterations might look like.
When it comes to Xbox Wireless support i honestly believe it isn't worth it. This device is mobile focused with the nice to have ability to use it on PC because, well, mobile phones use the Xinput standard, same thing as most PC games. Adding on top of that would just add cost for the very small minority of people that, for some reason, would prefer to use this controller over a normal console controller.
You guys are great! Would love to see a pro version in the future with a low profile fan in the attachment ring for cooling.
I am DEFINITELY interested in wired connection. Because of the form factor, I’m interested in using this for pc gaming as well. I don’t mind it being Bluetooth only, but wired would be a welcome addition
My thoughts on the things you wanted feedback for as one of your backers. (Sold on the idea from the day Josh uploaded his original video.)
The made for Xbox thing doesn't really matter to me, maybe a gen 2 thing
I vote ergonomics over vertical screen gaming. The screens would probably be too small for DS emulation imo. The folding phone would be sick DS emulation though!
I'm fully behind right to repair over "design" (hiding screws and glue). Maybe color matching the screws would be a happy medium. Love the idea of leaning into the 3d printing stuff. I think this controller will have a strong community.
I'm typically a buy the black color person, but I'm gonna go for the frosted case.
Loved the open discussion video!
Please do keep the D-Pad and face buttons accessible with the phone oriented vertically. Emulated DS games are some of the highest quality titles we have access to on the entire mobile platform right now. Vertical support is a huge boon.
Vertical mode definately holds value given there are very few good DS and 3DS emulation experiences beyond just playing on the original consoles. The aspect ratio of the average phone screen accommodates DS/3DS emulation very well, but controller offerings that support a vertical orientation are nigh-nonexistant. It may be worth considering making a wider/larger version of the m-con to allow this kind of flexibility if better vertical mode support negatively impairs the ergonomics.
The cutout on the backplate for the camera array looks clean 💯
Imagine having modular backplates for custom fit on each device.
Awesome work! Can't wait to try it!
Right to repair is super helpful! I agree that everyone has preferences and there is no perfect controller. But being able to have a modular/semimodular controller would open up so many options. I think this project has alot of eyes on it and has so much community support. With CAD files, I see this becoming the defacto controller for most if not all mobile gaming.
The vertical mode for DS emulation is such an awesome idea. I hope you can manage to keep it in the design.
For 3ds emulation you'd still need the analogs. So it's nice that with the 3D printing option we might be able to get a higher mount plate that could allow for the vertical phone to not cover the analog sticks
My most requested feature on my Backbone is launching a front end automatically when the controller is connected. It would be amazing if there was a button that could launch a specific Android Launcher e.g. Daijisho.
Maybe they can allow you long press a button to open an app
The only other thing I'd want is some sort of app for the controller that makes it so you can use it on games without controller support.
If they don't end up providing their own u should use Mantis Gamepad Pro but avoid using octopus at all cost they refused to refund me after it turned out their app doesn't work on Android 9 and higher
Personally, I would be willing to give up the thumb sticks and only have one trigger button on either side, if it would make the controller thinner. I'm mainly looking for a replacement for my old Xperia Play so I can play emulated games. Maybe someday there could be two SKUs, one standard size, and one "ultra thin", so the phone and controller both fit together in the same pocket. Thanks for all the hard work on this!
Add a trackpad and call it a steam controller mini! Love the controller cant wait to receive it!
M3 and m4 buttons on the back would be dope. Especially where your index fingers would sit when holding.
Have the ohsnap luxe pro and cannot wait to get the mcon. Thank you for showing it with a foldable!
Also the buttons to extend maybe being a tad bit wider? Looks a bit cumbersome at the moment especially for us folks with giant hands (6'4") but sooooo PUMPED thank you for doing what Sony slept on. Cannot wait for future versions and models!
looking forward!
Do we have any idea on the weight yet?
i have an iphone 13 mini, any chance of the precision plate getting made for that?
The camera cut out plate is cool and all, but for the vast majority of us we have cases on our phones. And one of the original reasons I was interested in this is because I would NOT have to take my case off to use it. Since you are prioritizing speed that is an absolute necessity. So I am glad by default are going with a plate that can accept a wide range of phones with or without cases on them.
Also you do not have to go through the trouble of making it work for Xbox and Playstation lol.
If you add another locking point for the handles at that ~30deg angle you demoed where you slot your finger between the handle and the controller body, it could act as a great stand-angle.
Also, if you really want to hide the screws, you can put them under the handles.
Will this work on something like an iPad? Something like an m4 where it’s not heavy
Are there any trigger button?
I was REALLY really concerned about Vertical Mode not working since I love playing DS games on my phone! It's so awesome that it works for now and I would love for you guys to include it as a design constraint going forward!
I really like all the things you said. So no pushback from me on anything.
I’m won’t ever use it with my Xbox so I don’t care about that.
I like the idea of being able to play vertical games with it too so as long as it isn’t detracting from something else I’d like that feature.
I also think a future upgrade path for picky people to pick particular switches would be cool, but I don’t think that should be a prior to release concern.
I’ll be interested in a custom plate for my particular iPhone if you get those out.
The only thing I can think of as an additional feature: it would be cool if it could wirelessly charge my phone. Plug the controller in and essentially game uninterrupted as long as I want even if both it and my phone were at 1%. That’s going to add a lot to the cost though so I think it would be great on a later version, but it’s not something for this kickstarter version.
The gap could be reduced by just having the circle part as the mount "plate" so that the camera bump isnt conflicting with the currently rectangular plate. It can be futher reduced by recessing the magnet into the ring by the depth of the single puck.
Edit:spelling
19:00 so D-input only, no Xinput?
Really smart details like the wake button being one of the hidden buttons. Very excited for this product. ever consider a "Have an iPhone" model to not waste the universal mount?
Do wonder if it is possible to make a mini version of it. Like maybe for for the sticks use the same technology as those nubs on ThinkPad laptops as they move kind of like a stick and click in like a stick.
If it is possible I definitely would like a miniaturized version available.
Is it possible to dettach the accompanying plate and use it as a phone kickstand? Would be fire if it could!
Will this work with the Honor Magic v3 foldable phone when opened? Would love that
Awesome video
I agree the designed for xbox thing is not worth it. However it might be worth while to add switch/switch 2 support later on
One potential idea to think about would be to add wireless charging to the MCON through the connecting plate, to allow charging the controller through the use of reverse wireless charging (for the phones that support it). Not sure how possible it would be, but would be a cool party trick to charge it without relying on cables.
A lack of a puck (just slapping the phone on with my case) would be perfect but understandable why it’s necessary. Also, the alignment magnet doesn’t seem to make a difference. Adding it makes it seem more Apple-centric.
Does it have a battery indicator?
While it might be easy to retrofit that, you could include a NFC tag to be able to automatically launch something on the phone once you connect the controller
Will the triggers be analog? Kind of a big deal in racing games and emulation.
Are the joysticks going to be Hall effect?
Yes, they’re hall effect
Would love the vertical orientation!!!!!!
3D printed plates seems great
cant wait to get mine
Will this work on a Z Fold 6
Yes
Are the back triggers analog for games that require various pressure?
Digital
Will there be replacement thumb stick caps or will there be protectors or will there be something else to prolong the life of the thumb sticks.
D-Pad wise that no one mentions which is super underrated... hands down my favorite one: Wii Classic Pro controller. | Ohsnap, consider to try that one for yourselves.
Are the triggers analogue? If not, please make it a priority to have them! There's a lot of current games that require them to properly work.
Did I miss if they said what type of controlers they are going to use. Hall effect or standard analog? Also no need for the extra money for xbox consol comparability on ny part I have xbox controlers for that. Id hate to have to keep changing the pairing every time I change from ohone to xbox.
Hall Effect
Does the controller charge wirelessly?
I would love to have the option to use micro switches on all connections. Personally I've found membrane to be extremely flaky. I understand why you want quiet buttons, but it's not a big problem for me personally.
You mentioned it's possible to have different configurations with different switches, so just throwing my vote out there.
Love the right to repair... Well done broskis.. better than any controller out there already... Razor PlayStation Xbox can't figure out something like this crazy good stuff
I really hope i will manage to get it into my country well. I will have to use some shipment redirection company so fingers crossed. Cant wait!
You mention "foldables", but I'm hoping smaller ones like the Samsung Flip or Motorola Razor are supported in some way. Since the center of those phones is the hinge followed by an outer screen, the puck may not be able to move far enough to center the controller.
Hopefully I don't need to switch my phone to use this. 😬