Tesla Model S Plaid | Body in White PART 1
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Jordan and Kevin take you through everything you need to know about the Model S Plaid Body in White! (Part 1 of 2)
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#Tesla #BodyInWhite #Plaid
Great video and in no way are you two the "B team", your knowledge and professionalism shines through. Yes, everyone loves Sandy and Cory, but this was fascinating and you both have a really engaging presenting style. Thanks.
I think they are the real A Team.
Y’all are amazing! Keep up the good work.
Very interesting engineering especially with crash worthiness issues
Last I heard it was still 5 star across the board.. has that changed?
Large A pillar obstructs vision. Better to never crash in the first place.
It's awesome how all of you at Munro are just naturally great in front of the camera and your way of describing things are so easily comprehensible to a wide scope of people with no engineering background! Awesome job on the video production as well, the channel is growing fast.
We appreciate the kind words!!
... B team lol 😆
I really appreciate your thoroughness
I agree with that. If only other folks I know could geek-out in such an eloquent and understandable way.
@@MunroLive Basically its built in a way to keep the front wheel and component's on long enough to absorb and tuck up against the front door post and by that time the impact has happened and the impact forces have been dissipated through the chassis, and the Aliens inside have been cocooned in airbags at the height of impact....
Yes, a real asset to the EV community
While I appreciate humility, none of you are "B team." It's surprising how Munro people are of consistent quality as well as articulate. Good job!
I really appreciate Munro videos. It is incredible how complex it is to design and assemble a modern vehicle. Thank you for the depth of the discussion.
Well said, Hector!
Based on what I have seen, there are no "B" teams at Munro. All "A" teams, IMHO.
Great job Munro Team! It was so good to meet Sandy and Cory this last weekend at the Cyber Rodeo. You both are super genuine and gave me the time to meet with both of you. A time I’ll never forget. You guys absolutely rock!!
Question for you @Anthony My hope is to somehow get tickets to future Tesla events, any tips and tricks on how to get tickets? Thanks.
@@CameronChapell cyber rodeo was invite only. I’m pretty sure most of the 15000 that attended were Tesla employees and Austin area Tesla owners, plus 1 guest for each. But Tesla does have an events page where you can view all events and sign up for them. You can also sign up to be “notified when Tesla events come to your area”
@@Johnny2Feathers Thank you for the info!
Great explanation, especially of the "inside" terminology for those of us non-automotive, non-engineers.
Thank you for going back and spelling out most of the acronyms for us non- technical people who are punching above our weight class watching this.
You're welcome
Excellent, excellent structural analysis - thank you Jordan and Kevin!
Glad you enjoyed it!
We appreciate the kind words!
@@MunroLive guys great job. I was surprised to see that the fire wall appeared not to be universal meaning allowance for manufacturing left and right hand drive. Could that be a cost saver if implemented???
More Jordan and Kevin! Great insight and i love that they also show opinions.
Bring back the "B team" from time to time. We need more content from this duo.
From time to time? I prefer these guys over Sandy and Cory
@@Trent-tr2nx That is because you have a very technical mind and can appreciate the engineering lingo/industry jargon. You are in good company. Sandy may be a better communicator for the arm chair engineers and liberal art majors out there which may be the majority of his viewers (I am guessing).
@@blackbusiness7 fair point!
@@Trent-tr2nx Agreed, these guys are the real A-team.
everyone keeps talking about the front and rear castings... casting casting casting... but the thing is that tesla's casting machines also induce extreme pressure to the molten metal... to me this is a grey area between casting and forging and if I had to bet, id bet that the metallurgic properties are kind of mixed.... the benefits of forgings are achieved ill bet(granted its speculation) but the casting benefits are the shape of the casting/forging.... i think its genius, and as far as slip... im not an engineer(im NDT) but i think in some respects zero slip at connection point "A" leads to zero slip at "Z" but if i had to guess a ten thousandths of slip at "A" leads to upwards of .125" slip at "M"? "R"?"Z'? they add up and angular misalignment only gets worse over time right(time distance) if you were called out i would resort to the idea that the manufacturing plant is the product and the "PRODUCT" IS ALWAYS ITERATING!!!!
These two guys are incredible. What a fantastic explanation of the complexity of Body in White. Cheers!
Thanks guys, your depth and detail of coverage gives real understanding into the design and manufacturing complexities involved.
Go B Team! Haha. Love any insight from the Munro team. Can’t get enough of you guys!
Great team work. You guys work well together.
Seems like maybe the lower volume S and X don't get the same obsessive focus on continuous improvement the way the 3 and Y do when you see all the "band-aid" improvements.
Automotive Benchmarking
Thank you guys for doing this,
The B team brings their A game
More like A2 team.
Great video 👍👍
At Monro and Associates, the B team is anyone else's A+ team.
Yet another content rich video from Monroe. You don't have to be an engineer to enjoy these but if you do enjoy them, it is because you are intellectually curious. I find myself looking forward to these VLOGS and they almost never dissapoint. Great work Team Monroe and keep em coming.
Video went on a little bit longer! Win win. Jordan and Kevin your insight to my Model S just brilliant. When I say my model S my current 2014 125,000 uk miles owned from new P85. I engineered in big auto world wide 44 years so got to see a number body in white and pretty much have had most interior/cover panels off my car, I was just interested.
As you say there was a good deal of legacy auto in the early S. A good deal of water leaks too, California dont do rain!
I specified the no sunroof just black roof option on my white P85, didnt want the C of G to go up carrying glass and mechanisms and cant say seeing the UK grey sky whilst listening to whistling wind and suffering leaks was appealing, plus my cream interior meany they would put in cream Alcantera roof lining, stilll looks so good.
Never driven another S that does not have a sun roof but I and others who have driven my car say my car turns in sweetly, my guess is the lower CofG.
Anyways still suffered slight leak in the left rear corner of the non sunroof. I took off the rear interior hatch pannels slit a piece of pipe fitted in over the flanged edges of the internals of the roof and a pipe out the boot floor, worked! It was only ever leaking in a cup of water but didnt want my Alcantera staining. The other leak/s was the blowouts / flow through vents in the sides of the boot floor letting in water from the rear lamp gutters, some siliconed on plastic diverters solved that.
I can see the improvements in the new body compared to mine and Ive a Plaid on order as well as a Roadster.......still a massive Tesla Fan. What will I do with my P85..................Pick up conversion?
Part 2 - rear end coming soon.
This kind of content is why I watch this channel
Thanks for watching, Doug! Don't forget to subscribe!
Great job critiquing the adhesive etc SO! when is the rivian teardown is there something Sandy/ rivian dosen't want us to see????
TEAR DOWN THAT TRUCK
It's what you do unless a deal was made not to 🤔
Natural on camera. Not disappointed at all about the 'b team'. We just want to hear the experts talk passionately about what they see.
Thanks for the deep dive with offensive and defensive structural protections in small overlap, rigid barrier collisions! Thank you even more for talking through the trade offs of why we might not see more of the offensive protections!
Totally agree. I always wondered why in the small overlap tests the Volvo XC90 just glides past the barrier vs actually absorbing it.
Just seeing the complexity of the structure, I don’t think any car, no matter how minor the collision, will ever be the same after an accident.
You are amazing guys, thank you for all the extra work you do for us.
Thanks for watching!
Apologies if this was explained elsewhere, but something that has been really troubling me is the thought of an accident with the new casting in the model Y. It’s great for accidents that are severe because the occupants will be protected. In smaller collisions will the car be totaled at a lower threshold because of the casting? If it will be totaled, will this likely increase insurance prices? Also will it just take an extremely long time to get your vehicle repaired because you have to reassemble the car with the new casting?
In "minor" front accidents only the front section of the rectangular tubes will crush. These can be cut-off and replaced. The back ends of these tubes are wrapped with additional metal so that area stays intact longer unless more energy must be absorbed. Still, I think even if the complex areas of the castings are still intact, the vehicle may be a write-off due to the large number of other damaged components: fenders, hood, auxiliary systems, radiator, octo-valve, steering, suspension, etc.
@@imconsequetau5275 thank you for the response, that was some good insight. Once real world data comes in, I suppose it’ll become clearer.
I never thought about the amount of engineering goes into a "simple" vehicle.... All of the crash allowances, human conveniences, sound deadening... To be an engineer to design and build cars is a MASSIVE undertaking... That they are able to design and build a car in a matter of years is amazing to me... Thank you Sandy and team for putting these videos out there to help the every day man understand more of what it takes and think differently when building...
You should tank manufacturers like Mercedes’ that developed the ABS/traction control and Volvo with seatbelts for example, one of the most advanced safety features on cars till today
10:37 Interesting to see the firewall is "not" symmetric. Thus, they have to have a completely different part for the "right hand driving" market.
not really a surprise at all, since Model S/X isn't high volume, and RHD market even less.
however, IF GigaOsaka becomes REALITY, then Tesla could easily build model 3/Y in Japan 🗾 to export to UK and other RHD country.
Love seeing 2 guys who know their stuff get on well and no ego's or pissing competition.
dont sell yourselves short! Jordans speaking style is so lean and to the point, i love it!
Sandy was sitting on a goldmine of video producer talent. Thanks for creating great content!
Great video! I learnt so much!
Another great delivery 👏👏
Tesla Plaid is the best car imo
Tesla Plaid best made car period, safest car, fun to drive.
I found out that I don't like the awesome knowledge provided by this channel, I like the grumpy old man ranting at everything and when some, rare, seldom stuff excites him.
I would like to see Tesla using hydraulics for ride height, suspension control, brakes and steering. This removes the following -
Brake booster not needed
Suspension legs do not wear out and can be individually controlled.
Pressurised gas springs can be refilled.
Steering gives proportional control
Brakes use recirculating mineral oil no corrosion issues. Brake mechanics are smaller (less unsprung weight).
All powered by a small hydraulic pump and pressure accumulator. Use two pumps for redundancy and you don’t need the accumulator.
To be honest, I do enjoy the videos without the "A" team. I respect Sandy, but he can get a little to "ranty" or overly pro Tesla. Cory is, in my opinion, not a great video presenter.
I don't believe in a "B team". I think that is a overall negative mentality to have. Great video!
Some people say: yea-no to mean yes or no & others say no-yea to mean yes or no.
When did this become ok???
Just heard a no-yea-no, I have no idea what this means!
Great work Team and since the Tesla Model S Plaid is 4 door sedan super car, probably better to compare the Tesla to other 4 door sedan super cars on the market, instead of a low performance Ford or other low performance OEM model. Oh, that’s right. No other OEM makes a 4 door sedan super car 🧐😊🤓💪☕️🤠🚀🚀🐥
Amazing content! Thanks for sharing
OK now, the real challenge will be putting the car back together....without using Duckt Tape!
Sandy's gonna be upset: you didn't mention that you're hiring! ;-)>
B team is doing great!
Thanks Jordan for explaining things from first principles, which is not usually obvious for seasoned engineers (since you dismantled an early version of Model S, it would have been nice to provide photo comparisons of the BIW though)
you mean ford does some things a lot better with a car that costs half as much? Man I bet some people are pissed 😂
I’m always amazed of the complexities of designing a car. It’s way beyond just something that looks nice. I now look at cars and see things I’ve never noticed before and have a new appreciation for the work it takes to design a new car or truck.
Solid job in explaining the challenges and approaches needed to create and then build a safe vehicle, given the extra weight of EVs it presents extra challenges. It is also interesting that Tesla seems to do more than traditional OEMs in continuous refinement on arguably a low volume vehicle .
TESLA biw structure does more than any other OEM.
and IF Model S/X volume is increased, they should go to Megacasting for Superior NVH , Safety, and savings.
if model S/X goes to 3 parts underbody w/ structural pack and Megacasting, the BIW would be better, safer, cost less. but needs higher volume production to be viable.
see - Tesla video - safety testing.
@@markplott4820 ...which means it doesn't cost less unless you have the volume, and you don't constantly make structural changes.
Are you aware the Mercedes-Benz EQS in technology is far more advanced than any Tesla on the market? Level 3 Autonomous driving, hyper screen, comfort, charging speeds and so many features? Maybe fanboys should start to look outside Tesla in BEVs.
Really detailed. Thanks for that. I I recall when crashworthiness was barely a consideration at all. One of my earlier cars, a Rover 2000 (P6 model) was one of the first to employ specific design for crash survivability (down and under for large components).
I would realy like to know what will be provided for the autobody people specifically if you get into a front corner accident will they have full precast partitions to cut out the damaged section and weld in all new sections . My thinking is I can't stand the thought of writing off a fender bender and offering aftermarket parts that a good body man with a tig can fix to new specs.
...your insurance company is wondering the same thing. If rates go up, you might have your answer.
There is no B or C Team, Munro & Ass. are Grade A throughout.
Thanks
Yes, very good vid!
+1… Nice work guy’s..
so the nsa can see it from space. lmfao
Good job! I've noticed the A pillar on my 2nd gen Volt is also very thick, and now I know why. Thanks.
I have own many hand build exotic cars. Mass production cars are built better, IMO. Minimal variability vs hand built. That cost of hand building can be used somewhere else. Exotic cars are $300,000 plus as to their exclusivity and low volume parts. Not Necessarily that much better. They definitely suffer in the infotainment arena but most people want to hear the engine. I own a Model X, Model 3, and a Porsche Panamera 4S. I prefer quiet now with no petrochemical odors. Charge at home with my solar panels and save $400/month on gas/home electricity.
When I owned exotics, I do not miss their yearly $3000 plus checkup/oil change before anything that needs repairs. Teslas just as fast, people leave you alone in parking lots, and minimal maintenance
Looking forward to part 2
Amazing work guys, thank you! 🥇
Excellent video. Thank you
Definitely not the B team. Great presentation!
You are the A team as well ❣️
I respect you guys. You guys are not B team.
Thanks for explaining structural adhesive- it’s like you were reading my mind!
What great detailed content! I love it, keep it coming boys!
Thanks
A very thorough talk, and I appreciate talking about the changes over time.
As a suggestion: I think it would have been helpful to those of us unfamiliar with the components being talked about, if this talk could have been done while it was still under tear down or bring in some of those parts and position them to help us understand the interactions.
Over all this was very helpful, thank you!
No offense to the guys Sandy but the only videos I will watch are the ones that you do personally.
I don't think anyone is offended.
Love Jordan!!! He’s definitely better than Cory!!! Lol ! But seriously I think everyone on the team that has done a video has been super eloquent and great to listen to. Keep up the great work guys. Kevin great job as well!
The B team ain't that bad!
Awesome job guys was an eye opener and gives me greater respect for engineering.
Definitely not the "B-team."
Nice job.. I really like the use of the diecast aluminum castings with extrusions nice marriage of components.
IDRA now has a 5400 TON Gigapress capable of making Complete car body in ONE shot.
they also have a 9000 TON Gigapress as well.
@@markplott4820 You cannot cast an entire vehicle with that machine. That is what Tesla is using for just the front and back castings for Model Y/3. Those castings are huge compared to what we see here, but nowhere NEAR the entire vehicle.
@@patreekotime4578 - FALSE. #1 - Tesla is currently using a 6600 TON Gigapress to make Front & Rear Model Y, #2 the IDRA 5500 TON Gigapress is a ALL NEW Design with the 6600 model as it's base and IDRA demonstrated that a COMPACT car BIW can be made in just ONE shot.
go to RUclips IDRA for video of NEW 5500 TON and 9000 TON Gigapress.
@@markplott4820 Not sure casting the whole car under carriage is the best way.. Some assembly gives them a chance to align things.
We will see.. Tesla will find the most cost effective/efficient way..
I was a pattern maker for 15 years Glad to see castings being used more in high production products.
@@davidhumeston5292 - Tesla is doing amazing things with just stamped structural battery, and cast Front & Rear, 3 piece underbody.
Great content. Thank you!
Love the thumbnail! Good job Munro Live Team!!!
Thanks Eric
Thank you so much Team A :)
These guys are good!
Yeah, no. Octogoganal.
cái hay của phúc đó giọng hất rất tình cảm , mỗi bài hát là bạn ấy thả hết tâm hồn và tình cảm vậy , và thể hết giống như mình đã từng trải nghiệm , i love you
Do the gigacastings have slip enabled mounts?
Good question. And what tolerances are they holding across them?
B-team? Jordan, you are by far the best of the bunch. Kevin is a genuinely knowledgeable guy too. I ain't complaining
Always a great analysis, also enjoyed the Giga-Texas tour
Thank you, Pablo!
Be Team____ Be One & Be Too!
A GREAT COMBO___Thx for the breakdown. Can't wait to see Model S with GIGA CAST units,. like the CYBRTRK in 2023????
thanks for sharing.
@ 1:48--- the word is "oc- TAG- o- nal"... you were adding an additional syllable to the word (oc- ta- gog- o- nal).
Your presentation was excellent.
PLEASE!!!!! Sandys current top 10 EV vehicles in order. I know he has said his list in the middle of other videos, making it hard to find. A dedicated video maybe twice a year, January current top 10 and then a July top 10. Yes is subjective, but based on Sandys opinion of vehicle quality, battery, space, design, etc. how HE ranks the top 10 EVs currently on market. PLEASE. Things change so much, so many vehicles, really would help people understand the good vs the bad.
B team? This is a heck of a B team. Excellent informative video. And I'm only halfway through.
WAIT!!!! What is the weight !?? Don't cut it till you measure it! Please measure BIW weight!
And please use corner weight scales under the virtual suspension load centers to determine CG
Can somebody say or explain why Tesla hasn't designed front and rear body castings for the S and X yet?
Lower volume cars.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom So there's no cost benefit
Hey, "across" doesn't end with a "T", and while you're at it, "height" doesn't end with "TH". It's good for my dentistry. :) PS. Thanks for all the rest.
About the structural adhesives, they must be strong and permanent and add to rigidity, otherwise Volvo won't go that way into next generation of its BEV vehicles, that also is going to have Megacast for the rear , this was announced in Autolinedaily, about a month ago.
Will cybertruck require more bonding materials than typically fabricated vehicles due to attaching dissimilar metals... or am I making stuff up?
Kudos to the B team.
Really enjoy these videos. Because I think you guys are adult enough to take constructive feedback as non-offensive: Kevin, you know a lot; your camera presence could be better--compare Jordan's slower pacing, speaking to the camera, and tighter focus on what matters. Also, because I truly believe you'd want to know, the pronunciation is oc TAG o nal. Again, thanks, and keep up the good work.
While watching this Body in White RUclips clip, I started wondering how much better/safer the 2022 Model Y SR (currently being made at Giga Texas & being sold for now only to Tesla employees) will be with single front & rear castings. The only caveat I have is not yet seeing the crash test results for this new SR model posted on the NHTSA website. Anyone else share my concern?
Good job B team 😄 🤣
Thank you from malaysia