NOTES: 4 piston Brembo brakes are not on X, Blizz or ADR models. ALSO: It looks like ALL 2 strokes will now have post forward(this is new) while ALL 4s will have post rearward(no change here) For me this is something I take note of as I LOVE post forward & have a long video of changing my Mach Z to post forward, best setup for tight trail aggressive riding IMO.
Right on! That is an awesome looking sled for this season. I came very close to going that route myself with the smart shox issue i had. But in the end the price of these things is just crazy so i decided to hold on to the Mach Z. I have heard the '24 has a fan inside to help with under-hood heat, and should likely run a bit stronger too. I'm sure you will love it! Cheers!
Great point! And I still have my very small LinQ bag that fits right into that spot, which i did love on my 2020 MXZ 850. I really do like how the new design 4s seat for '24 makes the 4s looks leaner from many side angles. Cheers!
I hear ya.....I will likely keep mine another season too. I have been following the tune/ECU game closely as I loved my Winder with Hurricane Dave tune. For now the ECU game is fairly pricey and not sure I like idea of cracking open my ECU with PEFI's tune. I would love to see Olivier at Boost Engineering come through with a tune, however i think this new ECU is far too highly encrypted. For now, with my clutching I sorta like running it stock since it does work so well....and knowing its very safe i never have to worry about holding it WOT lake after lake even if fuel may be questionable. Keep me posted brother!
I said Id never go back to a 2 smoke, but now that the 600r is in the G5 im thinking heavily on pulling the trigger. Keep my 4 stroke for big trips, but around our parts near home its windy and bumpy 80% of the time. As I get older I believe I would enjoy a lighter more flickable sled in the rough stuff. Who's takin bets Dan will be on a new doo for next season ;o)
What I'm disappointed with in Ski Doo is they are neglecting the 600 riders and trying to force everyone into paying more for an 850. My wife doesn't want an 850 and doesn't want weight of 4 stroke. And honestly I'd be quite fine on a 600, especially if they made it a 650 and had it run on 87 octane like Poo.
@Dooguy... Poo had a 650 and has for 3 years now. Doo is giving up 15 hp and the ability to run 87 octane by sticking w 600 only. I think there are a lot riders who want more hp than 125 but don't necessarily want 165. Or maybe I'm in the small minority
Nice review Dan. Snow checking a Renegade 900r today. The black in the online builder looks great because it looks matte but I confirmed it's gloss black so I went with silver. Trying to confirm if launch control is exclusive to 10.25" display because it's vague in the Skidoo presentation.
I have heard LC typically comes with the 10.25 gauge, but not 100% sure myself. With the issues I have been having recently with my Smart Shox I may be ordering a new G5 900r myself. I will miss the Mach, I like the color better than gloss black which i hate cause it gets scratches so easily and buffeting marks from a cover so will need to use under-cover when trucking sled. With base XRS shocks I will be saving some cash at least. But I will miss the SS as they work awesome(when they are not broke) Cheers!
@@rockerdan Thanks for the response. Yah sounds like LC is only for the 10.25. Oh well. It's a shame about your SS issues but was the reason I went with the base XRS shocks. Just wasn't convinced the SS were going to be reliable longterm. Just a real shame the Rene 900r doesn't get 40s with rebound all round like the MXZ XRS 850.
@@northwash Agree brother. Pro40s at all 4 locations with Rebound should be standard for all XRS. But I guess BRP feels the gade crowd is cruiser/up north super highway trail riders who dont ride bumps much. Also why they dont come with post forward. Bugs me cause I will have to do my own post forward mod again now next fall. At least the rears are Pro40s and I think it does work well. No worries of smart shox breaking either! Would love a matt black color though(Not a fan of glossy) Cheers.
RockerDan Sheeetwright here.... I was really torn between the Renegade 900 Turbo with Smart shock and the new Competition 850Turbo. Went Turbo 2-stroke because I still own a SRX for now
Sticking with my 21 Xrs 900 Turbo. Great sled and only have 3000 miles on it. If I was buying new the 850 Turbo seems like a sweet ride. I usually buy new every 3 yrs but the way prices have gone thru the roof I’m out on new sleds for a while.
Ordered a 850 turbo R. I have a 2019 RR Cat and a 22 XCR 850 137 1.35 this I will keep .. amazing sled XCR....I think Boost are having a lot of problems...this is why I have gone this route...love your videos and have been watching you for many years .
Thanks, that is awesome! Great group of sleds you got there! I am very excited for next season to see how the 850 turbo R doo works. Really will be cool if it can make some big MPH numbers, but i'm certain on bottom and mid that thing will be a weapon!
Local brother, hello! I have many on that subject and have voiced them many times when I first got the Mach. I did have a 2020 850 mxz in between my 18 Winder and the 22 Mach. Too much to go into in depth, but the key point I found is bone stock the Winder was not fast NOR quick whatsoever. It was annoyingly sluggish corner to corner where i ride primarily. So getting a tune from Dave was a MUST. And once tuned man o man i LOVED that sled! It was a blast corner to corner and top speeds were off the charts by far fastest sled I ever owned. Big issue was reliability of that Cat chassie. Just go down a few season into my youtube channel and see all the vids of me tearing it apart fixing everything in drive train. Once I re-designed all of Cat's poor engineering, it became reliable. The ride was never that good especially in rough stuff, very heavy sled to pound through moguls....The Mach is total opposite really. Very reliable, super snappy corner to corner out of the box, the ride with smart shocks is like a Caddy. And it can also be pounded harder then any previous 4s I've owned without breaking your back. It also feels quite light for any 4s. Machs downfalls IMO are the poor clutching out of the box(in '22) which i got figured out now, and the inherent chassie and skid design that simply will not allow big top speeds. Winder is a top speed junkie and makes MPH easily, total opposite on the Doo. But the ride is so so good, its an easy trade off for me who rides alot of rough tight stuff often. Up north on the big super highway trails they both are awesome, suspension really is not a concern up there. Lots more to this but those are the big differences. Maybe Cat/Yam will bring out a new chassie for their 4s since its quite an old design, or at least some new gauge tech which would go a long way. Cheers!
I’ll be sticking with my 22 Renegade XRS 850. Just got up too 500 miles last weekend. I’ll be retiring soon in PH and I’m more interested in putting my ol Seadoo HX in a container and bringing that over. The old Rene will have to go! Lol
Hey Dan, enjoy watching your videos. I have a ‘13 1200 and the next one I buy will be a mack Z but that probably won’t be for a while 😉. The new ones look good though!!
You might find many Mach Z('22) for sale used next fall I have a feeling???? So keep your eyes out, they really are nice rides! The new XRS gade for '24 got a lowered front end similar to Mach, and this is one big reason for me that I wanted the Mach and not and XRS, so at least going forward I will be much happier if I go to a new XRS. Cheers!
Nothing wrong with that, but not sure the Mach name will be used again in short term. I could see BRP pulling out the name again maybe for like a 10 yr anniversary or something? Hard to say. But nice to see you can order a new '24 XRS Gade 900r with LC and SS which is now lowered to similar ride height as the Mach. Would like to see BRP offer a two-ply option.
@rockerdan yea I do agree. My first thought on the Mach was they would do it once per rev generation on the last year before new gen is released. Sort of the best of that generation.
Great video comparison, keepin my Mach , see how those mxz’s run next winter, snotrax reports say their seeing 118 mph on speedo, that water meth is cool, I seen it on turboprop planes, it added some definite power, ski doo says it won’t add more than 180 so ecu gonna pull back the power I’m sure
Good video, Dan! Pretty much my take and sentiments. I do think they should have went the intercooler route on the 850 E-TEC Turbo R instead of the water/methanol deal; I think this could be a nightmare for dealers as people put the wrong fluid in the wrong spot or try some homemade concoction. I have a G4 X-RS 900 ACE Turbo and will probably order a 2024 REV Gen5 equivalent mostly because of the miles I put on. I like the current ride height of my X-RS and am not in love with the fact they did not put Pro 40s all around on the REV Gen5 X-RS 900 ACE Turbo R. I wish I could order the shocks and reinforcements of the Competition Package (from the factory), but that is just me.
Yes you bring up a great point and I totally get what you're saying. My only thoughts on the IC are that all these stock IC's be it the Winder or Mach now, are far too small. AIT's climb too high very quickly on them in stock form and that is why longer hauls we are getting RPMs falling off. ECU is certainly seeing those high AIT's and pulling timing ect. So I'm thinking the water/meth injection may be a better solution on a sled where size and weight are so important and trying to stuff a proper large sized IC is just too difficult. I know lots of guys used to run meth injection in the early apex/nytro turbo days and worked well. So this will be interesting to watch next season for sure! Yeah so the shocks have been getting whittled down the past few years, even more so on Gades. I think it was a wise move for BRP to simplify things putting all 4s into the gade more cruiser friendly and 2s into MXZ and just adding the 137 MXZ option. For me this is not that huge a deal cause I feel the 4s just plain works so well with Smart Shocks, i would highly recommend that way to go always. While on the 2s(Mxz) the SS system simply is not needed. Buds 129 mxz G5 this season with Pro40R EA shocks is simply incredible! I do miss the quick changes of the SS when trails change quickly but those 2s are so flickable and light, I just would save the cash on the SS and keep the XRS standard shocks on those MXZ's. Cheers!
Agree!...I think BRP will eventually add a antenna 'ala Polaris' and hopefully make the 10.25 gauge fully smartphone independant. But how long will that take them? I'm not sure. Grrrr
Great vid Dan, thanks. I really like both the 850TR and the 900R now in the G5. Trying to decide between the 2. I also have a Mach Z and really love the smart shock and ease of the 4stroke turbo. I actually prefer the more muscular look of the wider body in the G5 as well as in the G4. I think the Competition Package will be too stiff for me. Too bad we couldn't get a XRS 850TR with the option of having smart shocks. My guess is it will be a next year model...
We think similarly! I do like the 4s look at most angles, however i still feel the direct front angle the 4s still is abit of a fatty, LOL. But the G5 version looks so sleek IMO side by side. I really enjoy my Mach now(more then ever as its working so good now that I have her dialed) but man that new G5 sure calls to me, if not strictly for the looks...lol If I had a thicker wallet I would have to own both the 850t and 900r! cheers!
Sticking with my 2019 Gen 4 600 r . I would wait until they bring out a real GPS on that gauge. You won't be able to ride two up with your GF on that small seat . Decisions, decisions .....
@@MBTUE I have not seen or heard anything about that. I would think if something that big was happening with the new 10.25 Gauge they would have talked it up. It sure would be great if they can add antenna to work independent of phone like POO has. Keep me posted brother!
Hi Alain....I agree BRP has taken some Polaris Matryx cues and narrowed up the plastics. I think their are still some big differences in the POO and DOO these days. Biggest thing is the Etec power plant. I think the Etec technology is still ahead in terms of plug fouling and smoke. In terms of ride the Doos are a flatter more controlled ride vs the more active playful ride of the Poo. Both are great in their own ways. I wish Doo had more transfer since '21 when they went to RmoX they have taken away much of that. Poo wins hands down in the Gauge territory! BRP needs to simply add a GPS antenna to their 10.25 gauge and they will be in the driver's seat in gauge tech. I am just waiting for Poo to bring out a turbo 4s to compete in the 180hp category and then things will get interesting for 4s guys. Still both of these brands are at the top of their game.
Can't say I disagree on the weight. But saying heavy is not necessarily correct IMO. Heavier than the 2s yes it is most certainly. Slow is definitely not what I have experienced. My Winder 4s and now Mach Z 4s are the quickest sleds I have ever owned to date. I do love the 2s 850 though, and I would agree the 2s has its place and I enjoy them immensely on my local tight trail system especially when it gets rough. One thing i think most agree on is longevity and big mile up north riding, that is where the 4s is king. No oil to carry and the engine feels right at home cruising those big speeds for hours on end. Cheers!
Good Morning Chuck, 6 of my friends went to Northern Quebec 2 weeks ago . It was -40 for 3 of the days. All 4 Mach z and 2 900 ace enduro’s all started with no assistance of a jump start or heat. I have owned lots of 2 strokes over my life that wouldn’t start at those temperatures too . The other issue with a 2 strokes is The hundred dollar a week oil fill and carrying oil everywhere you go. The Skidoo 4 strokes are a Great trail sleds and a pretty smooth ride especially with the smart shocks. Thanks again Mark
NOTES: 4 piston Brembo brakes are not on X, Blizz or ADR models. ALSO: It looks like ALL 2 strokes will now have post forward(this is new) while ALL 4s will have post rearward(no change here) For me this is something I take note of as I LOVE post forward & have a long video of changing my Mach Z to post forward, best setup for tight trail aggressive riding IMO.
Great video really enjoy your videos. Yeah, I went for the new G5 900 turbo R can’t wait to ride it if it ever would snow
Right on! That is an awesome looking sled for this season. I came very close to going that route myself with the smart shox issue i had. But in the end the price of these things is just crazy so i decided to hold on to the Mach Z. I have heard the '24 has a fan inside to help with under-hood heat, and should likely run a bit stronger too. I'm sure you will love it! Cheers!
Great comparison video between the 2 and 4 stroke. I do like the look of the side view of the 4 stroke
I hear ya....Thank you!
Looks like the shorter seat on the 4 stroke will accept the behind the seat linq bag that installs on the 2 stroke machines.
Great point! And I still have my very small LinQ bag that fits right into that spot, which i did love on my 2020 MXZ 850. I really do like how the new design 4s seat for '24 makes the 4s looks leaner from many side angles. Cheers!
Gonna keep my Mach Z, might looking into a tunes this summer
I hear ya.....I will likely keep mine another season too. I have been following the tune/ECU game closely as I loved my Winder with Hurricane Dave tune. For now the ECU game is fairly pricey and not sure I like idea of cracking open my ECU with PEFI's tune. I would love to see Olivier at Boost Engineering come through with a tune, however i think this new ECU is far too highly encrypted. For now, with my clutching I sorta like running it stock since it does work so well....and knowing its very safe i never have to worry about holding it WOT lake after lake even if fuel may be questionable. Keep me posted brother!
I said Id never go back to a 2 smoke, but now that the 600r is in the G5 im thinking heavily on pulling the trigger. Keep my 4 stroke for big trips, but around our parts near home its windy and bumpy 80% of the time. As I get older I believe I would enjoy a lighter more flickable sled in the rough stuff. Who's takin bets Dan will be on a new doo for next season ;o)
I couldn't agree more! I have been saying for so many years, I NEED TWO SLEDS! A 4s for Qc saddlebag trips and a 2s for local Muskoka trails. Cheers!
What I'm disappointed with in Ski Doo is they are neglecting the 600 riders and trying to force everyone into paying more for an 850. My wife doesn't want an 850 and doesn't want weight of 4 stroke. And honestly I'd be quite fine on a 600, especially if they made it a 650 and had it run on 87 octane like Poo.
@@PartTimeYooper what's wrong with the 600r?
@Dooguy... Poo had a 650 and has for 3 years now. Doo is giving up 15 hp and the ability to run 87 octane by sticking w 600 only.
I think there are a lot riders who want more hp than 125 but don't necessarily want 165.
Or maybe I'm in the small minority
@@PartTimeYooper New 600r is 5 hp more this year Ive read. Ive heard the 600r is highly underated and runs with the big bores until its lake time.
Nice review Dan. Snow checking a Renegade 900r today. The black in the online builder looks great because it looks matte but I confirmed it's gloss black so I went with silver. Trying to confirm if launch control is exclusive to 10.25" display because it's vague in the Skidoo presentation.
I have heard LC typically comes with the 10.25 gauge, but not 100% sure myself. With the issues I have been having recently with my Smart Shox I may be ordering a new G5 900r myself. I will miss the Mach, I like the color better than gloss black which i hate cause it gets scratches so easily and buffeting marks from a cover so will need to use under-cover when trucking sled. With base XRS shocks I will be saving some cash at least. But I will miss the SS as they work awesome(when they are not broke) Cheers!
@@rockerdan Thanks for the response. Yah sounds like LC is only for the 10.25. Oh well. It's a shame about your SS issues but was the reason I went with the base XRS shocks. Just wasn't convinced the SS were going to be reliable longterm. Just a real shame the Rene 900r doesn't get 40s with rebound all round like the MXZ XRS 850.
@@northwash Agree brother. Pro40s at all 4 locations with Rebound should be standard for all XRS. But I guess BRP feels the gade crowd is cruiser/up north super highway trail riders who dont ride bumps much. Also why they dont come with post forward. Bugs me cause I will have to do my own post forward mod again now next fall. At least the rears are Pro40s and I think it does work well. No worries of smart shox breaking either! Would love a matt black color though(Not a fan of glossy) Cheers.
600R two stroke is still available on the Renegade if you spec the Enduro package.
Good to know, I have not looked at a 600 ever.
RockerDan Sheeetwright here.... I was really torn between the Renegade 900 Turbo with Smart shock and the new Competition 850Turbo. Went Turbo 2-stroke because I still own a SRX for now
Hey Brother! Hope all is well. Ahh nice decision, and I want to hear all about it next year! Cheers!
Sticking with my 21 Xrs 900 Turbo. Great sled and only have 3000 miles on it. If I was buying new the 850 Turbo seems like a sweet ride. I usually buy new every 3 yrs but the way prices have gone thru the roof I’m out on new sleds for a while.
totally agree....and you and i both have near exact same miles(3000 total roughly as i type this before weekend on my '22 Mach Z) Cheers!
keeping my mach z for another year and see what shakes out.
gonna be fun startin that thing on a minus 30 morning or what ?
The Gen 5 windshield reminds me of the First Gen REV windshield
I hear ya. Cheers!
Ordered a 850 turbo R. I have a 2019 RR Cat and a 22 XCR 850 137 1.35 this I will keep .. amazing sled XCR....I think Boost are having a lot of problems...this is why I have gone this route...love your videos and have been watching you for many years .
Thanks, that is awesome! Great group of sleds you got there! I am very excited for next season to see how the 850 turbo R doo works. Really will be cool if it can make some big MPH numbers, but i'm certain on bottom and mid that thing will be a weapon!
Hey Dan. From Bracebridge here brother. What's your thoughts on the sidewinder vs the new mach you have ? Pros and cons ?
Local brother, hello! I have many on that subject and have voiced them many times when I first got the Mach. I did have a 2020 850 mxz in between my 18 Winder and the 22 Mach. Too much to go into in depth, but the key point I found is bone stock the Winder was not fast NOR quick whatsoever. It was annoyingly sluggish corner to corner where i ride primarily. So getting a tune from Dave was a MUST. And once tuned man o man i LOVED that sled! It was a blast corner to corner and top speeds were off the charts by far fastest sled I ever owned. Big issue was reliability of that Cat chassie. Just go down a few season into my youtube channel and see all the vids of me tearing it apart fixing everything in drive train. Once I re-designed all of Cat's poor engineering, it became reliable. The ride was never that good especially in rough stuff, very heavy sled to pound through moguls....The Mach is total opposite really. Very reliable, super snappy corner to corner out of the box, the ride with smart shocks is like a Caddy. And it can also be pounded harder then any previous 4s I've owned without breaking your back. It also feels quite light for any 4s. Machs downfalls IMO are the poor clutching out of the box(in '22) which i got figured out now, and the inherent chassie and skid design that simply will not allow big top speeds. Winder is a top speed junkie and makes MPH easily, total opposite on the Doo. But the ride is so so good, its an easy trade off for me who rides alot of rough tight stuff often. Up north on the big super highway trails they both are awesome, suspension really is not a concern up there. Lots more to this but those are the big differences. Maybe Cat/Yam will bring out a new chassie for their 4s since its quite an old design, or at least some new gauge tech which would go a long way. Cheers!
You didn’t mention the G5 has the new quick disconnect coupling for faster track changes
That was a new thing they added this year(2023) so I did not mention it for '24. Cheers!
I love my Mach Z and will be keeping it for a few years
I'm thinking similarly!
My factory turbocharged 1963 Olds Jetfire had Water/Methonol injection to cool the intake charge and prevent detonation too
Cool stuff!
Cool stuff, but prices are getting a bit crazy over the past couple years.
You NAILED IT!!! Hard to justify for me anymore. Cheers.
I’ll be sticking with my 22 Renegade XRS 850. Just got up too 500 miles last weekend. I’ll be retiring soon in PH and I’m more interested in putting my ol Seadoo HX in a container and bringing that over. The old Rene will have to go! Lol
Once retired the miles will be piled on very easily! Cheers!
Hey Dan, enjoy watching your videos. I have a ‘13 1200 and the next one I buy will be a mack Z but that probably won’t be for a while 😉. The new ones look good though!!
Sorry “Mach” not Mack
You might find many Mach Z('22) for sale used next fall I have a feeling???? So keep your eyes out, they really are nice rides! The new XRS gade for '24 got a lowered front end similar to Mach, and this is one big reason for me that I wanted the Mach and not and XRS, so at least going forward I will be much happier if I go to a new XRS. Cheers!
Waiting for next year when they next mach is unveiled.
Don't hold your breathe
Nothing wrong with that, but not sure the Mach name will be used again in short term. I could see BRP pulling out the name again maybe for like a 10 yr anniversary or something? Hard to say. But nice to see you can order a new '24 XRS Gade 900r with LC and SS which is now lowered to similar ride height as the Mach. Would like to see BRP offer a two-ply option.
@rockerdan yea I do agree. My first thought on the Mach was they would do it once per rev generation on the last year before new gen is released. Sort of the best of that generation.
Great video comparison, keepin my Mach , see how those mxz’s run next winter, snotrax reports say their seeing 118 mph on speedo, that water meth is cool, I seen it on turboprop planes, it added some definite power, ski doo says it won’t add more than 180 so ecu gonna pull back the power I’m sure
Agree! I do love that new g5 gade but will likely keep my Mach for another season too!
Good video, Dan! Pretty much my take and sentiments. I do think they should have went the intercooler route on the 850 E-TEC Turbo R instead of the water/methanol deal; I think this could be a nightmare for dealers as people put the wrong fluid in the wrong spot or try some homemade concoction. I have a G4 X-RS 900 ACE Turbo and will probably order a 2024 REV Gen5 equivalent mostly because of the miles I put on. I like the current ride height of my X-RS and am not in love with the fact they did not put Pro 40s all around on the REV Gen5 X-RS 900 ACE Turbo R. I wish I could order the shocks and reinforcements of the Competition Package (from the factory), but that is just me.
Yes you bring up a great point and I totally get what you're saying. My only thoughts on the IC are that all these stock IC's be it the Winder or Mach now, are far too small. AIT's climb too high very quickly on them in stock form and that is why longer hauls we are getting RPMs falling off. ECU is certainly seeing those high AIT's and pulling timing ect. So I'm thinking the water/meth injection may be a better solution on a sled where size and weight are so important and trying to stuff a proper large sized IC is just too difficult. I know lots of guys used to run meth injection in the early apex/nytro turbo days and worked well. So this will be interesting to watch next season for sure!
Yeah so the shocks have been getting whittled down the past few years, even more so on Gades. I think it was a wise move for BRP to simplify things putting all 4s into the gade more cruiser friendly and 2s into MXZ and just adding the 137 MXZ option. For me this is not that huge a deal cause I feel the 4s just plain works so well with Smart Shocks, i would highly recommend that way to go always. While on the 2s(Mxz) the SS system simply is not needed. Buds 129 mxz G5 this season with Pro40R EA shocks is simply incredible! I do miss the quick changes of the SS when trails change quickly but those 2s are so flickable and light, I just would save the cash on the SS and keep the XRS standard shocks on those MXZ's. Cheers!
Disappointed that you still have to connect your phone to the brp connect!
Agree!...I think BRP will eventually add a antenna 'ala Polaris' and hopefully make the 10.25 gauge fully smartphone independant. But how long will that take them? I'm not sure. Grrrr
2024 ordered g5 900turbo r
Nice, congrats!
Nice you turn your comments on I'm gonna stick with my 4 stroke Turbo🤑
Yes for years I had no idea what I was doing, nice to see everyone here commenting thanks so much! Cheers!
Great vid Dan, thanks. I really like both the 850TR and the 900R now in the G5. Trying to decide between the 2. I also have a Mach Z and really love the smart shock and ease of the 4stroke turbo. I actually prefer the more muscular look of the wider body in the G5 as well as in the G4. I think the Competition Package will be too stiff for me. Too bad we couldn't get a XRS 850TR with the option of having smart shocks. My guess is it will be a next year model...
We think similarly! I do like the 4s look at most angles, however i still feel the direct front angle the 4s still is abit of a fatty, LOL. But the G5 version looks so sleek IMO side by side. I really enjoy my Mach now(more then ever as its working so good now that I have her dialed) but man that new G5 sure calls to me, if not strictly for the looks...lol
If I had a thicker wallet I would have to own both the 850t and 900r!
cheers!
Sticking with my 2019 Gen 4 600 r . I would wait until they bring out a real GPS on that gauge. You won't be able to ride two up with your GF on that small seat . Decisions, decisions .....
I hear ya....lucky she is tiny! Maybe would have to buy the 2 up seat? But she is in Cali most the time and only rides with me a few times typically
@@rockerdan A friend tells me there is a GPS map upgrade available for the 10.25" screen / gauge for 2023-24 . I didn't know that .
@@MBTUE I have not seen or heard anything about that. I would think if something that big was happening with the new 10.25 Gauge they would have talked it up. It sure would be great if they can add antenna to work independent of phone like POO has. Keep me posted brother!
I prefert this cab, But VR1 copy......
Hi Alain....I agree BRP has taken some Polaris Matryx cues and narrowed up the plastics. I think their are still some big differences in the POO and DOO these days. Biggest thing is the Etec power plant. I think the Etec technology is still ahead in terms of plug fouling and smoke. In terms of ride the Doos are a flatter more controlled ride vs the more active playful ride of the Poo. Both are great in their own ways. I wish Doo had more transfer since '21 when they went to RmoX they have taken away much of that. Poo wins hands down in the Gauge territory! BRP needs to simply add a GPS antenna to their 10.25 gauge and they will be in the driver's seat in gauge tech. I am just waiting for Poo to bring out a turbo 4s to compete in the 180hp category and then things will get interesting for 4s guys. Still both of these brands are at the top of their game.
I dont know why anyone would ever buy a 4 stroke, slow and heavy...
Can't say I disagree on the weight. But saying heavy is not necessarily correct IMO. Heavier than the 2s yes it is most certainly. Slow is definitely not what I have experienced. My Winder 4s and now Mach Z 4s are the quickest sleds I have ever owned to date. I do love the 2s 850 though, and I would agree the 2s has its place and I enjoy them immensely on my local tight trail system especially when it gets rough. One thing i think most agree on is longevity and big mile up north riding, that is where the 4s is king. No oil to carry and the engine feels right at home cruising those big speeds for hours on end. Cheers!
Reliability is the best reason and resale value is the other.
I won’t lie ,I still love the smell of the older 2 strokes .
@@markford-ck8bs 4 stokes won’t even start where I live, -20ish you have to plug them into power because of the oil pan
The etec 2 stokes are pretty amazing engines
Good Morning Chuck, 6 of my friends went to Northern Quebec 2 weeks ago .
It was -40 for 3 of the days. All 4 Mach z and 2 900 ace enduro’s all started with no assistance of a jump start or heat.
I have owned lots of 2 strokes over my life that wouldn’t start at those temperatures too .
The other issue with a 2 strokes is The hundred dollar a week oil fill and carrying oil everywhere you go.
The Skidoo 4 strokes are a Great trail sleds and a pretty smooth ride especially with the smart shocks.
Thanks again Mark
The colour sucks. Would look better in Black.
Think BRP likes to have these type model stand out as much as possible.