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religion should be part of the state to be a religious center like the vatican or mecca, everywhere else is mixed and should not have hard line borders of religion otherwise there be another ireland split into two nations.
@@martinsto8190 The American founding fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance. _“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_ *- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president) The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_ This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion. *Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office* _"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_* This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required. _“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_ *-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797* ....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything. _“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_ *-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817) _"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_ *-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823) _"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_ *-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac) _“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_ *― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” ― Carl Sagan
"To trick someone is easy, you simply overcome their intellect. Convincing someone they have been tricked is hard, it requires overcoming their pride."
This quote almost makes me weep. The void left by ignorance (especially the ignorance engendered by our "state-sanctioned" decimation of education) has been the breeding ground for the most vile, ignorant and destructive aspects of our contemporary culture and civic nation.
Back when i was a Christian long ago, one of my pastors said "if you force Christianity on people, they just end up faking it. And faking your love for god is no better than not loving him at all". More Christians need to hear this
This assumes that no Christian is faking it. I disagree--with the definition of "faking it" to include fear of eternal punishment compelling folks, even at a subconscious level, to be less uncomfortable with cognitive dissonance than with eternal damnation. The remainder are largely products of their given worldview. So once was I.
@west221b I'm a Christian and i always here about this fear of eternal punishment. Can you please explain what you mean by fear? And eternal punishment?
This is backed by history. Whenever a religion has been forced or strongly encouraged, people will fake it. It happened in America, one part of the 13 colonies forced their beliefs onto others. So, people just did what they had to in order to survive. Putting on false religious piety. I am firmly against forcing religious beliefs onto others.
Sure let's put some biblical laws into play. Let's limit interest rates. Let's forgive debt- ALL DEBT after a period of time. Let's enforce taxes. Let's feed the hungry and heal the sick.
@@saturationstation1446 the New Testament is, low key, pretty chill. Despite saying he doesn't intend to supercede the words of the Old Testament he gives a lot of very explicit instructions that make it clear ideas such as hate and persecution are wrong.
White and privileged Americans have being using church to suppress their guilt over systematic oppression for centuries. They knew racialized slavery was morally wrong, so they fabricated or decontextualized Biblical scripture to justify it and deluded themselves into believing themselves to be "saviors of a savage race." South Methodists have their own denomination because they wanted to support slavery, even though the founders of Methodism were some of the first Europeans to criticize the institution of chattel slavery as an absolute moral wrong that contradicted the teachings of Jesus Christ. Modern evangelical christians tell themselves this with "hate the sin, not the sinner" before torturing LGBTQ people in conversion 'therapy'
I used to think Europe was very religious because of all the monarchies and wars based on religious differences, and wyt Americans are predominantly European descendants. Blew my mind when I heard it's mostly secular!
Man, just seeing this title reminded me of my birthday a couple years ago. Mom was screaming at me because I wouldn't support Trump, I told her that I had to question his motives and intentions because 'all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god'. Told her that I found idolatry focused on Trump and America to be deeply disturbing. Then she shouted at me that questioning capitalism was the *real* idolatry. I have not been more depressed and/or confused before or since.
I’m so sorry your birthday experience was so frustrating and heartbreaking. You have lots of support from more reasonable people who are in more population in this country. Hang in there. 🫂
You're not confused. You're seeing the situation clearly. Your mom's response about questioning capitalism being idolatry is a clear indication that she worships money, just like Trump. Here's the appropriate Bible passage to quote back at her: Matthew 6:24, NIV: “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
I had a Christian county judge literally remove my first amendment rights. It’s the first time it’s ever happened in a civil court. I appealed it and won, but it still cost me a fortune.
A judge gave me an order that said “you are not allowed to talk about religion”. He also removed my legal custody of my daughter from me for no reason. I got both back when I appealed but it took a year and cost me all my savings.
When the vast majority of the first European Christians in America were protestants wanting to /escape/ the grip of the (in their time) orthodox church. Catholicism and the Church of England.
@@alephmale3171 because it isn't. The whole thing about orthodoxy was hotly debated up to the nicean council in early Christian history. Ever since, the Catholic Church claimed orthodoxy and was backed by the then crumbling roman empire. Other local churches decided that their version of Christianity was orthodox, and called their denomination such. Since then most protestant movements have been as a result of someone deciding that the current established tradition was not orthodox when compared to the bible. Orthodoxy implies purity of faith. It's not a specific denomination although there are denominations with orthodox in their name.
This whole reference to the founding fathers is so baffling to me, as a European. Like, ok, so if they meant it to be a Christian nation, it has to be so? Like, these dudes have been dead for a long time. Why would their opinions matter more than the people living in the US NOW???
Because Americans treat their history as if it was a religion. These 'Founding Fathers' have been turned into mythical figures that were full of wisdom and knowledge (in truth they were generally just very recalcitrant 20-something year olds). So they use the concept of these Great Founding Fathers, just like they're using Jesus as a mythical figure to push their agenda. Because you if oppose the Founding Fathers, you oppose America as a whole, and that wouldn't be very patriotic, would it?
@@justinfowler1271that is such an asinine and cheap slogan. Only a blind sheep would say something like that because that is not entirely true. If I choose not to worship ANY god based on my observation of who this world has been working and what these gods/goddesses yearn for, then how can I be misled? Coming from a pentecostal christian religion, I understand that bible god and his son are no different from any other god. They all want blood, to be worshipped and praised and if that's not happening then there is hell to pay. LITERALLY. That being the case, that means that they also live off our fear and want us to be slaves to THEIR way. That is very narcissistic and malevolent. It's also psychotic. I could never fall for ANYTHING knowing how these beings move.
This is why the American founding fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance. _“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_ *- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president) The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_ This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion. *Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office* _"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_* This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required. _“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_ *-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797* ....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything. _“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_ *-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817) _"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_ *-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823) _"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_ *-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac) _“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_ *― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
@@diyac9554 You welcome.... Contrary to popular American folklore, the founding fathers DID NOT BELIEVE in the Bible, DID NOT IDENTIFY as Christian & DID NOT CREATE a government based on those values. In fact, most had an extremely obvious & palpable dislike of it. Just look at the laws they passed, treaties they ratified, the letters they exchanged & the books they published; written, edited & published by the Founding Fathers, themselves. Publications like, *Age of Reason* or *Reason: The Only Oracle of Man* or *The Jefferson Bible* are good introductions. They are all damning critiques of Christianity. _"I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism make me one."_ *-Ethan Allen - Reason the Only Oracle of Man* _"The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up."_ *- Thomas Paine - Age of Reason (1794)* _“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”_ *-Thomas Jefferson - in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813* _"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies."_ *- Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanack) _“Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies.”_ *- Thomas Paine - Age of Reason (1794)* _“Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?”_ *-Letter John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817* _“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”_ *-James Madison - Letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774* _"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”_ *-James Madison, Ibid, 1785* (American statesman, diplomat, Founding Father, 4th president of the United States) _"I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”_ *-George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789* _"In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”_ *-George Washington - letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 17*
Being a Christian and a Veteran, I got a bit defensive during the Trump years when one of the (I believe) Mayors or Governors started their term with a Satanic chant or something... It's been a while. But I replied a lot with "Freedom of religion" and there were a few who actually agreed. Just ranting, a little sick, winter, ugh. ☕🥶🇺🇸
@@bjehulkYou haven't proven a god exists religitard. Consider dropping your religious delusions throwing out your faith and replacing it with knowledge.
@@stevenmcdonough7772 No, state-sponsored churches are explicitly not permitted in the Constitution for a very good reason. If you are in an Abrahamic religion, then you exclude either Christians and Jews, Jews and Muslims, or Christians and Muslims. And/or any other groups that worship the God of Abraham. Even if you were to restrict it to Christianity (however you understand it), which denomination to use? Evangelicals are fighting for THEIR denomination, to the potential exclusion of Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Presbyterians, Episcopals, 7th day adventists, Baptists, Methodists, and even these can be divided by sect, as many of these have splintered multiple times.
Oh my gosh, as a believer, I thank you so much for this video. You put it much better than I could. I will certainly be sharing this with so many people. The difference between people flying the Chrisitan banner, and what we actually believe has been a thorn in my side for some time now.
@@lucyferos205 Good point, don't take my word for it, I am a random Internet guy. If you want to know what we really believe, read Catholic cannon and church doctrine.
Always fascinated by the idea that the Earth took so much effort to create that the process made an all powerful being have to rest after it’s construction And yet so many evangelicals think there’s nothing disrespectful to God if we trash the planet he exhaustingly made for us.
I'm a Christian who grew up in a Christian Nationalist household. I can explain. They want the apocalypse to happen. Their goal isn't to save the world or even to gain more followers to Christ, their goal is to end it. By doing so, the Seven Seals will be broken, the Rapture will happen, and everyone who doesn't agree with them or fit into their idea of what is moral and normal will be damned to eternal torment in hell.
By my understanding of the verses in question, it’s not that He needed to rest; rather, He chose to rest in order to set an example for us- that after doing good work, it is right and good to take time to rest and observe the fruits of our labor. But your point stands- He looked at what He had created “and it was very good.” We’ve already brought a curse upon this world through our sin, let’s not destroy it any further. We are to exercise dominion over the earth, but as it belongs to God we are effectively its stewards. As such, we must take good care of the world and everything in it.
I think that's a mistranslation or a simple error. There was a rope for boats, called ΚΑΜΙΛΟΣ (cámilos). This got mixed with ΚΑΜΗΛΟΣ (cámeelos) which is the camel. So, the original was referring to a rope, which is much thicker than a thread.
Other replies appear to be incorrect. This is how I learned it from Sunday School some 40 years ago: The phrase The Eye Of The Needle refers to a narrow, low gate that required pack camels to be specially trained to crawl on their knees in order to fit. Only a handful of camels were able to perform the task, hence the analogy.
The ongoing war between MTG and Boebert is hysterical. Yesterday in a rage filled tweet after her bill to label Rashida Tlaib a terrorist failed, MTG referenced "vaping groping Lauren Boebert". I am hoping for a good old fashioned duel.
Bobert is certainly a Christian who thinks her status as, “saved” makes her bulletproof against criticism or a need for self-examination and potential behavioral adjustments.😢😳😤
"You cannot worship both God and mammon (money)". Remember who said that? Ultimately, #45 worships money, power, and applause. Not God. The former are all man-made.
Something interesting about the Handmaid's tale books is that the author, in order to avoid being accused of having a dark or twisted imagination, has only written about scenarios that have actually taken place somewhere in the world. Everything in those books, is not only a possible reality, but was at one time, somewhere in the world.
😂 No it did not happen. Show me the country where a wife held another woman as she was raped by the dad. Handmade tale is a leftist wet dream of what they think conservative Christians actually believe. Its so over the top and absurd and is downright cringe many times. Its entertainment for idiots who dream of "saving" people from religion and all its made up horrors. Garbage
As an atheist, I hope for peace and tolerance, where the government is not biased towards any religion. So that way no one is persecuted or excluded for religious belief
The first boyfriend I ever had, a devout 16 year old Christian, told me that he was Republican because that’s what the founding fathers of this great country were. He had no awareness that the Republican Party didn’t exist in 1776 and that this was not intended to be a christian nation.
Most Americans can't even describe what "Republican" means outside of the general context of U.S. politics, which is just grossly misrepresentative of every word it appropriates.
@@WoodlandSocialistthey were bourgeoise liberal capitalists. All of the parties of American history spring from that central philosophical doctrine & class alignment.
As someone who's grown up in Dallas for over 30 years, the majority of us and the younger generation are chill and liberal... And think these evangelicals are wackos.
As a Catholic, I never like that Catholic nationalism stuff. I personally just leave people who aren’t Christian alone and some of non Christian’s I talked to are pretty chill. Thanks for bringing this up I hate the people who put religion and hatred over Jesus
The American founding fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance. _“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_ *- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president) The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_ This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion. *Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office* _"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_* This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required. _“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_ *-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797* ....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything. _“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_ *-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817) _"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_ *-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823) _"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_ *-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac) _“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_ *― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
Here’s a deep dark secret they don’t like to talk about: Leftist Catholics. Go look up the Catholic Worker Movement and Dorothy Day. There are other iterations of Leftist religious ideology. Don’t concede anything to the right wing. For every right wing claim to Jesus, there are two from the left and CAN BE backed by scripture.
Plus Coptics, Armenians, Ethiopians and it’s northeastern neighbor, and a small portion of Arabs who strongly refused convert to Islam, since it’s existence spread to their areas.
One things that always confuses as a non American from the outside is this constant debate on whether the founding fathers of America created it as a Christian nation or not. Why does it matter. Isn't the goal of society to progress and get better?
We think so here, too. Many of our founding fathers were educated enough to have been agnostic. And yes, there is to be separation of church & state, so each could worship according to their choice.
Some Bible verses these Christian nationalists need to read: Matthew 25:35-40 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ Matthew 22:21 Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's Luke 10:25 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and, Love your neighbor as yourself John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her Matthew 6:5-6 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you
The whole of Matthew 22 is a damnation to the current state of American Christian Nationalism. I'll add Romans 14:1-4: 1 Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2 One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Romans 2:12 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but transformed by the renewing of your mind, that by testing you may discern the will of God. Basically saying outright that anybody who believes a church is where you should get your sense of morality is anti-christian.
There is no such thing as a "true Christian" the bible itself is contradictory hence why there are two testaments and dozens of Christian sects, all contradicting each other, this is why as a former secular catholic and now an agnostic pluralist I recognise that secularism is the only viable religious solution for any society wether Abrahamic, Buddhist, Sikh etc
This is why the American founding fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance. _“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_ *- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president) The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_ This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion. *Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office* _"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_* This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required. _“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_ *-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797* ....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything. _“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_ *-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817) _"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_ *-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823) _"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_ *-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac) _“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_ *― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
@lettuceatter_9956 It is almost like the babble was compiled, written, rewritten, and interpreted as a means of advancing the interests of those on power or who wanted to be in power, which primarily involved keeping the rabble in line and working in the fields and military. Gotta get those taxes...er...sacrifices ...er ...tithes. Religion sure is a useful tool to capitalism. I feel like some hairy dude once said something about religion and opiates or something.
@randomcdude4430 I have no doubt that religion has always been used as tool for sociedal control, I'm not disputing that at all, but what I do know for a fact is that religion is also inherent to the human condition and no one can change that, no one can actually prove that God does or does not exist it is simply impossible in the current age we live in, thus denying that material reality is idealistic in it of itself, something that Marx rejects, many don't actually understand that his dismissal of theological beliefs was merely personal, his core critique of religion has always been about how it is used as a rulling class tool under capitalism for multiple purposes like you said, religious corruption, extremism and subversion it is by default a product of capitalism, you wouldn't say that dangerous medicine or harmful chemicals that are put in everything we injest are a product of science now would you? Exactly, that's because they're a product of science under capitalism not science in its essence...
It's incredibly true that those who are Christian nationalists, don't go to church or know the bible. My family never goes but they think America is a Christian state. This is the easiest thing to counter when we talk because you remind them they don't practice religion and what can they say?
Going to church doesn't make you Christian. In fact, Jesus overtly opposed organized religion, believing firmly that true faith is something you keep to yourself and determine for yourself. It could easily be argued that by going to church you are actively rejecting Jesus and his teachings.
Personally I am of the opinion that Christians in general have no clue about their religion. The crusades, inquire and holocaust are all dismissed for the idea that those aren't real Christians. School shooters? Same thing. Witch trials not real Christians. I hear the excuse too often. Most people don't even know that Christianity was made to control and conquer while making the followers fight over jesus.
@@dontmisunderstand6041perhaps, however private religious practices were not and gatherings of believers were common even in the earliest days of the church.
@@Skoopyghost Almost all of the actual violence comes from Democrats and the people who do and would vote for them. They lie about the threats to deflect from them. Murder rates are concentrated in Democratic areas by Democrats.
What I don’t like is that people can’t see that separating religion from government gives us the freedom to practice or not practice. I’m a Christian but nothing scares me more than religious influence in government. I don’t wish my religious views on others and I wouldn’t want others forced on me. The streak of dominionist and theocratic thinking has plagued the world for far too long.
@@sentinelUSA05 Seems like this is yet another case where being a member of a religion, and practicing the general values of a religion are hard to distinct between under the same umbrella term. I can't make any assumption of wks's level of faithfulness in Christianity. However, I at least assume that they *believe* in the values of generosity, forgiveness, and compassion and solidarity with the suffering, as taught by this religion's scriptures. Personally, I am an atheist, but that doesn't mean I fiercely follow the exact opposite of any values that are a part of any religion, nor that I consider religious people to be my enemy. In many cases, I follow values that happen to be reflected in many religions, even if I have no interest in looking into them or dedicating my time into adopting one specific religion's values. Whether or not wks truly believes that Christianity's God exists, or just follows core Christian values, does not matter to me. This information does not decide whether or not I can like them as a person. What I care about is how they treat others and themselves. If following Christianity's values has made them a kind, compassionate person, then realistically I don't care if they a "true" Christian or not. If they exercise compassionate, mutually understanding values, that's good enough for me. And if any religion's God is willing to demonize and condemn those who practice the values they teach just because they don't worship them, then their logic is flawed, failing to make them the perfect being that should be prayed to. That is a narcissist. Even if I follow the values taught by a narcissist, that does not mean I must have undying faith and worship for them to demonstrate those values, and neither does wks.
@@sentinelUSA05 Perhaps this is the point where a bigger question shows up about the purpose of following religion. To those who practice religion, what is the motivation, and what is the desired goal? From what I can tell, there are many who look to God, or any other being as a moral compass with which to guide their life and the actions they take so that they themselves can become a good person. These people just don’t know where to start, and a little guiding hand of advice may be all they need. They just need a philosophy, a set of values to follow. If that philosophy just says “to do good unto others, be understanding of the plight of the vulnerable, and offer to lend a hand when you have the means to save one another,” then a religious follower can still support abortion. Why? Because the kind of people who need abortion could be victims of rape, forced to impregnate, or forcefully impregnated and burdened with a life that neither they nor their rapist were wishing or committed to raise. Religious followers who seek their own means to satisfy the values of their God understand that in this context, impregnation was not a blessing, but a burden placed onto a person who was taken advantage of. They understand that this is the plight of the vulnerable, and abortion will give them a safe way out of even more suffering in the future, in a society where our intrinsic value as living beings are not respected, despite that being a fairly common value in religious scriptures. When we are not given social safety nets and allowed to fall to such undignified levels of poverty and misery, those who claim to follow the whims of God but then also support such socioeconomic systems, have already betrayed their God’s fundamental values, and they are not someone I can respect. Others do it because they wish to go to heaven, or appease to the lord that has made the rules on what sends you to heaven or hell. Such people will likely be willing to blindly listen to God’s supposed “means of upholding values,” even if they seem hypocritical or counterproductive. If your God says that to not allow a growing baby to be given the “gift of life” then you have sinned, then yes, you fundamentally cannot support abortion. Doing so makes you a sinner, and sinners don’t go to paradise. This to me, is a fundamentally toxic relationship that religion is capable of placing well-meaning individuals in. It basically puts your fate underneath a narcissist who has enforced upon you, the rules of what he likes and what he doesn’t like. All of your actions actions will always be judged, with the threat of eternal suffering or the reward of eternal paradise being used to manipulate you into not questioning God’s way. Such people are vulnerable to forsaking their own kind just to please a God, in which believing is realistically *not* mandatory. To me, there is very little difference between this and a *cult.* Given that cults are often exploited by “preachers” who can’t seem to avoid getting into all kinds of scandals, well-meaning individuals are basically turned into a vessel that follows the commands of their manipulative leader. While religious individuals are likely to believe in ways I do not believe, I understand that many are motivated with altruistic intentions. However, this nuance is ultimately what determines who is an enemy to me. If a religious believer merely follows the values of a religion, allowing them to still see others as human beings of equal footing to them, then any flaws in their ways of life are probably going to be easy to rectify. *They are not my enemy.* The religious member who is my enemy, is an individual who either benefits from forcing their practiced religion onto others (Denies the Freedom to Practice/Abstain from Religion), hides behind their religion to justify their dehumanizing treatment of their own kind (Christian Nationalists, who use their religion to justify discrimination and the desire to violate human rights), or uses religion as a means to manipulate or threaten people to do their bidding, and to see them as a being above humans, and treat them as such. (Narcissistic, Abusive Conman)
A little off topic but a not so fun fact about Dallas 1st Baptist. I used to maintain the fountain in front of the church and it had a bad leak for 2 years in 2016-2018. They would not pay to repair it but threatened our contract if it wasn’t running every Sunday. I believe we calculated the water loss at 185,000 gallons a day. For perspective, a swimming pool averages between 30-60k gallons of water😢
Here in Jamaica these noisy evangelicals have a stranglehold on the average minds. Recently our electricity company proposed a 2.5% surcharge on payments over US$1,500 at payment centers - a few days ago I passed a group of church sisters protesting in our business district with the usual baloney signs against gay marriage, violence, child abuse etc., but one sign had me laughing: it was condemning the 2.5% electricity surcharge!!!! Guess their pastor doesn’t want to pay extra for his AC bill…..😂😂😂😂😂
They need that “fountain of faith” to flow so they parishioners see that all is well with “the church.” (It’s probably some subliminal messaging. Evangelical churches tend to have a lot of that going on to draw in and keep a hold on their “consumers”.)
Wow - but that figures, I’ve seen some crazy “temporary” bandaids in my time that were spurred on by ops managers who don’t understand systems nor care to. So where was the 185k gallons going, I’m assuming you all had a runoff so that it drained to sewer? Regular city water too? Surprised Dallas Public Works didn’t send them a letter to cease that level of usage. I doubt an aquarium even pulls that much water in 3 months time. What an absolute waste of fresh water, I can’t imagine that estimate was more than the two years of unnecessary flood control measures you all had to put in place OR the water usage cost. Frustrating and disgusting.
As a Christian, I absolutely HATE how co-optible the religion is. “Everyone can join” is a wonderful and beauty sentiment, but also a PRIME idea for capitalist and even supremacist movements😪 anybody who advocates for the abuse of others in any way shouldn’t even get to call themselves Christian
The trouble with religion is it's a rejection of reason and an appeal to emotion. That opens the to door to just about anything. There are many wonderful Christians out there but I think they're wonderful people regardless of their faith. I do think Christianity would be far better off if it was only the Gospels. The Old Testament is a trojan horse for bad ideas and the justification of hatred and bigotry.
Separation of church and state was meant to protect the religion. A lot of atheists wont admit that religion as actually good for society (at least the peaceful ones). The problem is when you mix politics in with it.
@@BlueSpartanus religion is politics, or at least it is a social construct used to organize and unite certain people under a belief, a belief they used to explain things that before they could not explain. Religion, philosophy and politics are social constructs that are very much intertwined to form a society. I think that religion does not deserve to exist until we expressly prove that there is some scientific reason for it, especially since now we have explanations for things other civilizations didn't have then and thus this skews my view and beliefs, I'm agnostic so take this with a grain of salt because my views are as everyone's are: Very Biased.
As a non-American Christian, I just wanted to remind all our American friends (religious, non-religious, and formerly religious) that what's happening in your country isn't the sum of worldwide religious experiences and expressions.
It overwhelming is, the history of religion and Christianity in particular is fascist imperialism, because that's what the ideology teaches. You're all degenerate nazis.
Worldwide religious experiences right now are as sweet as they've always been since some abrahamic lunatics cut of their foreskins and started the trilogy of brainrot called Talmud, Bible and Koran.
Americans trying to homogenise a Faith shared by most Nations on the planet all of whom practise in their own unique ways, is kind of insulting honestly.
@@dundukk9450 Uh huh. That doesn't change that biblical literalism and evangelicalism are as absurd and baseless to other, far more ancient forms of Christianity as they are to non-believers in the US. And that's the cartoon bullshit they're all trying hardest to spread the furthest, including to inside every classroom in the US.
It's *meant* to be insulting. Don't you realize, being an ignorant delusional hate-filled American is still light years superior to anyone else on the planet?
I feel like this essay skipped over the impact of the George W. Bush administration. W himself often professed that his evangelical faith is what saved his life, and that resonated with his base. Once in office his administration greatly eroded the separation of church and state with the implementation of integrating faith-based institutions into the federal government. These offices still exist today in many government agencies. It’s an important chapter in understanding how we got there.
Dubya gets overlooked a whole lot these days. After 2016, it's kind of easy to see why. But in overlooking him, people are missing out on a large part of the reason that let 2016-2020 happen in the first place. I despise Dubya and every single person in his administration. I've certainly never forgotten about any of them or the damage they did and I'm getting really tired of them all being overlooked.
3:39 its the first clause of the constitution "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
An additional thing to note. Separation of church and state was sent in a letter from Thomas Jefferson to a group of baptists in Virginia. The meaning of this statement in this letter acknowledges that the “state” aka the government would not interfere or intervene in the affairs of their church so long as it didn’t violate the law in some way. But this statement created a two way street, the government is not allowed to interfere with a church so long as it isn’t violating the law but the church should not interfere in the government as to not sway its decisions. This is even emphasized in the constitution where it mentions the government can’t choose a particular religion.
In retrospect, the country wasn't never founded as a "Christian Nationalist" country. Christian Nationalism is an oxymoron because Christianity is a globalist religion and practically half the world is Christian. Saying that America is founded as a Christian nation is like saying that America is Roman country because we write with the Latin alphabet. Christianity is what gotten mankind into the dark ages, the renaissance inspired the world to take the knowledge from the ancient world and progress.
That's not it at all. The United States was clearly built on Cristian values, rebelling against the king of England who was trying to force the people into one made-up religion that he made so he could legally divorce his wife who could not bear a son. This lead to a mass immigration to the west in order to avoid religious persecution. After the war between the colonies and England, the declaration of independence was created using the Christian religion as a fundamental framework. When referring to said letter, it ment that the government couldn't force any law against any religion that resided in the U.S. That doesn't mean the government itself cannot be religious. It was always Cristian.
You say that, yet Thomas Jefferson himself is the one who implemented the first church in congress for all to attend on sundays. The intention was to give assurances that the state would not interfere with religious freedoms or interfere in religion, which is exactly what the King of England did as he was the "head" of the Anglican church. That is the point of the separation of church and state. In England they are intertwined and the king has the final say.
Behind The Bastards podcast did a great episode about how the ruling class warped Christianity from a socialist movement to a capitalist movement. Definitely recommend checking it out if you're interested. The episode is called "How the rich ate Christianity"
Oh, I need to listen to that episode. What always broke my heart most about Christianity was the wasted potential, how one of the most radical altruist speakers of his time, begging his followers to imitate his self-sacrifice and hold their property in common, was co-opted to champion such a completely opposite ideology. When I listened to or read accounts of Jesus' speeches as a child, I was always struck by how powerfully, fanatically they encouraged listeners to consider all human beings to be just as important as themselves. And just how UPSET adults got about hearing words like that in the mouth of ANYBODY but Jesus, even in their own religious figures, really taught me some things about how our society worked and how little the rank-and-file Christians were actually listening to the lectures supposedly made by their Messiah.
Yet in Europe, most of the social welfare systems were put into place not by the Socialist parties, but by the Christian Democrats. The expansive European social welfare systems have a great debt to Christian Social Theory.
The sad truth is that many people adopt their religion from their environment to fit within the in-group. They don't actually think for themselves, just accept what they are told. They don't actually read or understand the bible, they just say they do because it sounds better. So many people who claim to be readers and followers of the bible have clearly not read it. If you've read the bible, you can see this everywhere, that so many people claim things from the bible that are untrue, claim they know so much about it yet contradict the scripture the entire time, and sow seeds of hatred. I'm not religious but I have read the bible. The moral of this story to me is that many people who just adopt the identity laid out for them end up with a phony belief system and black and white thinking, that causes more problems than good. In the act of trying to guide or force children to adopt their parents/families religion, you get a toxic societal and cultural pressure to moralize, and to push other people down in order to make yourself appear better, higher, and closer to god. At worst, you get a racist and fascist ideology that essentially wants to exterminate any non believers, deny people's rights or push them into second class citizenship.
Stop apologizing for them. There are thousands of different interpretations of the bible because the book is full of contradictions and literal nonsense. There is NO correct way to read a book of lies and myths. The bible is completely useless for anyone with a brain who can think critically using modern morals and philosophy. Religion is a disease that perpetuates stupidity and blind loyalty for slaves. All religion is pure evil. And everyone who supports religion supports this evil through lies and deception.
The Bible itself is full of inconsistencies so there cannot be any “true follower” anyways. This is my main problem with religion as an Atheist. It’s a legend that can be bent towards teaching people yo be good or can be bent towards manipulating people into becoming evil and hateful. It all depends on what part you read and how you interpret it. I would rather just put labels saying “this is a mythology, you can study it for its historical and cultural significance but don’t take it seriously and don’t try to obey it” on every religious book out there. People cannot function in a society by following broken works of fiction, people need the truth. Truth can be verified, truth can be turned into truth, but lies can be turned into anything especially into other lies.
I mean, the Bible can say whatever the reader wants it to say. Between the Bible being full of contradictions and most people being hilariously uninformed about the context their favorite quotes and stories come from, it can be used to say whatever someone wants it to say. Most people just aren't ever going to know the difference. You could read the Codex Sinaiditicus, the oldest still surviving version of the New Testament yet discovered, yourself and see how much the NT itself changed between its earliest writings and the King James version most people are familiar with. Because at every point the formation of the Bible was always every bit as much political as it was religious. If anything, these modern clowns are just carrying on the oldest Christian traditions there is; using the supposed word of god to suit their own agenda. Some interpretations are more universal and less judgemental than others, but there's certainly nothing new about this specific sideshow but the scale.
@@RevShifty Yes. This reminded me of a story by Bart Erhman. About christian girls at summer camp buying each other Friendship bracelets that if forget the exact quote but something like “until we meet again I shall not rest, I will not be complete” But In the actual context it was two men fighting and the person was saying it as a threat. Lol
Christian Nationalism was my upbringing. I was constantly indoctrinated with the message that liberals were just blurring or avoiding the truth of our founding and that they would eventually win and America would become a hell-scape and Christianity would be pushed underground (all Christianity... since America was the last bastion of Christianity in the world). I learned this at my private Christian high school, my church, the Christian radio stations I was allowed to listen to and the Christian films I was allowed to watch. As a teen, I would often wish that the "founding fathers" had just been more explicit in their documents; and that if I had a time machine I'd go back and tell them that they needed to include a clearer message of our Christian foundation in the Constitution, etc. It was much later that I finally realized that they hadn't included such language because they didn't believe it.
@@sentinelUSA05 Benjamin Franklin's letter specifically talk of the importance of separating religion from the state. So his teacher is wrong about the founding farthers wanting religion to be mixed with the state.
I remember getting deep into Christian nationalism as a child and young teen until I broke free of it. What scares me is that all these elements in America are creating a fascism much more durable and much more deeply ingrained than that of what we saw with the Nazis. The only reason I got out is because I got older I started questioning more and more of what I heard, until the whole worldview I had at the time collapsed. It took me years to fully free myself of every aspect of Christian nationalism and American exceptionalism and fully reject them.
Our biggest source of hope is seeing how many of us broke out of it. It's hard to keep up the lie when evidence to the contrary is so readily available to anyone with Internet access.
How are you this dense this to compare Nazism? It’s genuinely insulting to downplay what the actual people who suffered under Nazism went through. Not to mention I bet you’re saying this while simultaneously supporting the Nazi terrorist organization fighting against Israel right now
What gives me hope that this iteration of fascism won't be enduring in the way the Nazis were is that the Nazis gave their adherents material gains. They took homes and stores from Jews, LGBTQIA people, and the other "undesirables" and gave it to party members. They had a youth program. They threw community parties and other activities. American fascism brings nothing to its adherents but social rejection and even lost jobs. Not sure who said this quote, but it makes sense. "You can't talk a fascist out of fascism, but you can buy him out.'
@@Zosioand yet one of the first things they do is try and tell you that they have the solutions, and all the evidence that’s available is fake, or bs, or something along those lines. And they somehow keep up the lie and convince people of this.
I live in Texas and was dragged to many churches in the state and I heard that same message "America is a Christian nation and its success..." many many times. I even believed when I was younger.
Curious dis you leave Christianity? I also grew up in Texas. 9/11 was my shift, but many catalysts helped me leave Christianity. I cannot in good faith defend a religion that encourages renouncing personal accountability for your actions for worshipping a dead guy on a cross.
@@brialapoint2608. Of all the reasons for leaving Christianity I have heard, this is the best one. (I'm still Christian, by the way) The irony is conservatives yell all the time about individual responsibility, then, hide behind the Bible (and 'forgiveness') the minute they are about to be held personally accountable for anything wrong they have done. Jimmy Swaggart comes to mind here... And if you bring up the communitarian sections of the Bible, they go "la, la, la" and try to end the conversation quickly, letting you know their stances aren't out of conviction but an incessant thirst for power and to dominate and ruin other people's lives.
well that is true it was founded as an explicitly Christian nation. anti-Christian religions were explicitly not given the same religious protections as Christians. You cannot separate Christianity from the culture without destroying the culture. That said Christianity exists for sinners not perfect people. It is silly to expect humans to be good at being Christian, temptations are tempting, humans are human. Scientists don't live every moment of their life by the scientific method but we don't throw it out.
I am a Ghanaian. My Leadership 3 course introduced me to Western/American ideologies around Economics and social matters. I find this channel helpful in understanding certain things. Thanks for doing this.
@@nickwarner8158 . . NO. . .he needs to stay in Ghana. The West is done with more non-whites that continue to bash and change White Western Nations. Let those non-white countries open up their borders to all colors and creeds from all around the world.
I am not a Christian myself but I live in an area where Christianity is very influential. There are many Christians that I have met that are absolutely amazing people: kind, generous, and humble, like the Bible says to be. I’m saying this because you made a very interesting point on how Christian Nationalists are often not genuinely Christian (do not go to church regularly, read the Bible, etc.). I have met many of these people in my town as well and it is very true that they just pick and choose aspects of Christianity to support their bigotry, fully excluding the multiple passages in the Bible that contradict their statements. Many of them do not even go to church. There are exceptions, but in MY experience, true Christians are more likely to be sensible and good people in a general sense.
@@Robert-do7gw@Robert-do7gw The difference between a Godless Liberal and a Christian Conservative is that Conservatives grow up judging themselves, trying to do good, failing at times, but learning to become model citizens. Liberals are told how wonderful they are and that everything wrong is because of injustices and racism. They grow to judge everything... the proof is the Liberal Communist Activists running through the streets, toppling statues and burning churches and the flag... The Left are the ones who are Narcissistic, Self-Righteous, and Nihilistic and the ones who are insanely judgemental.
Very true. They’re trying everything to stay relevant. And it’s scary to recognize that what they’re doing is actually working. It needs to be stopped.
Doesn't matter if the church in America, Europe, or even the world disappears, Jesus wins in the end. Avoid it, run from it, or fight against it, "every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord" over everything
@@alrightyoreilly19 believe what you believe. That quote from your book does not prove your book. Religion is seemingly doing more harm than it is good right now. Just look at the war people are in right now.
@@historysyourbestfriend5500 I've heard that a dying animal fights the hardest right before it gives up, we are living through the death rattle of christianity in America so I expect it to get worse before it gets better.
My faith is the most important, most core part of my life. My personal opinion is that most of these so called Christian Nationalists have completely ignored His teachings. We are supposed to embrace strangers, feed the hungry, share our bountry, lift up the poor, and love our neighbors. Neighbors does not mean only the others like us, it also means our Muslim, Atheist, or Buddhist neighbors as well. America is just a country, it can come and go. It is our own relationship to God and others that matters.
You do know that George Orwell was a racist , rapist and a colonial cop who reported leftists and minorities to the British government to be surveilled.
@@Alacard0malleyyou’re all over the comments fearmongering about communism and socialism under a video about Christian nationalism. What a surprise 😂. And another comment about “Marxism” guess you hit bingo lol
It never fails to convince me of the truth of God's existence when his most devout take his massage and twist it toward their own ends without fear of disfavor.
I've been reading Taking Back America for God, and I have to say you nailed this video. Christian nationalism has been a growing worry of mine for a couple years now. I've been a Christian my whole life, and it's scary to see something I love being perverted and co-opted by malicious actors aiming to grab political power.
Christian nationalists are no more christians than a dog is a cat. They are charlatans, con men, authoritarians lusting for power and the ability to dictate their views on everyone else. Similar to today's GOP party and their lust for power at any cost whatsoever.
@@JohnDoe003 there is no LGBTQ agenda my guy, they are normal, everyday ppl who just wanna be treated fairly, and using fringe cases to prosecute them is extremely unfair to them. I know many lgbtq people, and all they want is to be treated fairly. Please stop spreading misinformation about normal people, and have a good day.
clearly someone hasnt payed attention to 50% of conservatives ways to gain power (aka: using Christian ideologies and bending them to invoke fear and psychological suggestion upon easily manipulated Christian Americans)@@JohnDoe003
Thank you for this, Explicitly pointing that Christian nationalism is not actually very Christian. As a practicing (and mostly failing) Christian I find Christian Nationalism abhorrent and that it actually has very little to do with the bible and pointing out that people who regularly attend church and read their bible are more likely to reject the beliefs of Christian Nationalism was great to hear.
It baffles me because we're commanded to not succumb to the world and its desires, but there's nothing more worldly and desire fulfilling than the promises made by modern evangelicals.
@@acciaacilius6875That's a ridiculous statement. Christianity as a whole in the US is full of those who profess to be Christian, yet hold views which are considered heretical. Many American "Christians" have little to no knowledge of Scripture, instead they create their own version of Christianity. This is true for both leftist and right wing Christians, which results in political and social activism masquerading as Christianity. There are still Christians such as myself that reject the idea of poisoning our faith by mixing it with petty politics and do not wish to conform to secular society. I have no interest in pushing my beliefs on others, nor do I want to live in a theocracy.
@sentinelUSA05 The obsession with Firearms for one (2nd Amendment or any of the Constitution in general). The concept of God-given rights has no scriptual bases. The closest I can thing of is God giving a specific man of faith something or the blessings and curses as set out in the Old Testament. Also, the banning of anything that you disagree with is also completely at odds with a core principle of Christianity as God gave us free will to choose to follow him (or not as the case maybe). God, Christ, and his apostles all speak at great length on this subject.
I am not a christian or american.....but it's easy to see why it's growing(and I dont see anything wrong with it). Current structures of society be it gov,religion,social ideology have royally screwed up lives of most ppl. So a lot of ppl are desperately trying to find an ideology to stick to. If it wont be christian nationalism...it will be something else.....there' no doubt about it....and it certainly won't be the current global left order...cos thats what most ppl are trying to escape.
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." *Barry Goldwater*
@@annaphallactic very much so, though Goldwater had a number of good points which is more than can be said of a lot of current politicians, though he only really opened up there after departing the senate in general his support for the CRA was only hindered by his feeling the federal government had no place in state politics (Brown v Board of Education commentary) or hiring policy (commentary on title II and VII). And he was justifiably pissed at the CIA for Nicaragua and criticised Reagan openly for violating international law. And even in the 90s he called out the fact the GOP had been overrun by as he said "kooks", and recommended everyone kick Jerry Falwellin the nuts in the 80s. So while he's heavily responsible for the mess we see today, he still had ethics and a moral compass seriously lacking today in politics.
I remember Pat Buchanan calling for a "Holy War" against secularism in the early nineties, probably the 1992 campaign. This stuff has been brewing for some time.
Yes because the left is all communist and anti semite. You talk democracy but other half of humanity. That's why the right is rising up, when we out our faith in you you turned around and said screw you. The left are weaklings, pathetic and sub human. You waged a war you getting a response
@@filrabat1965 it kind of was yeah, it's part of why Goldwater said we should all kick Falwell in the nuts (IIRC it was in 1980 in fact), the man contributed to a lot of the present bullshit but he did protect abortion while in government and didn't appreciate the 'kooks' that overtook his party (irony considering his part in their gaining a seat in the first place)
@@talkwith_LinaCommon misconception. Hitler had a distain for the church in general because he felt it would limit his power, he just made an agreement with it because he needed to if he wanted Italy's full support. He had no plans to keep the power of the church around after the war.
@@Owen_loves_Butters It didn't stop him from using religion as a means of building popular support though, that's the point. Many dictators aren't religious at all, but use it as a convenient tool of manipulation and control
This Christian nationalism in USA sounds like just another step towards full-on fascism. You see the Nazis were also strongly Christian who wanted the final solution for the Jewish question.
Fascism is always the resentful cry of the idiots and losers of society who realize that they are idiots and losers. They resent their status as lowly and instead want to rule over those that they hate. All fascism is the same, and it is no surprise that religious people find it so appealing considering they are willing to believe pure lies so long as it makes them feel better.
Well sort of. They held a high Catholic population of about 50.6 percent. While the rest were different religions. AH however was not an atheist. As no atheist, would send troops to look for biblical artifacts nor any artifact for that matter. We tend to stay in reality quite easily.
Religion is personal to the individual and was meant to help guide you yourself. It should never be used to dictate to or control others for being or thinking differently and to be superior over them. Freedom of religion. Free to be religious (whichever you choose to follow) or no religion at all. Just be a decent person. People are so worried about appearing to be a perfect religious member of their society that they fail to notice when they take things too far. I think a lot are just going to church for approval, to socialize and gossip, and to appear to be what they want everyone to believe about them.
A lot of churches I've seen and attended function very much like middle school and high school cliques. There's lots of emotional immaturity and unempathetic behavior that runs rampant among grown adults who should, but often sadly don't know better.
I have to disagree. Religion is a set of ideas that you either subscribe to or you don’t. Now there may be matters on which the religion doesn’t take a view like sugar in your coffee or not but the expectation is you buy into its ideas or your’re not in the religion
I attended a Christian elementary school in the Midwest in the '80s. We sang soooooo many patriotic songs. And yes, alongside religious songs. And politics were discussed pretty openly in school and church -- if you weren't a Republican (at that time, that meant cheering for Bush and bashing Dukakis), you were pretty much a baby-killing monster. (My grandma was one such Democrat. I miss her.)
we always used to get a bunch of american missionaries come to south africa to teach & evangelise..looking back on it now, i realise they were not trying to 'convert' people to christianity, but to american christianity with all the patriotic bells and whistles
Funny how the founders of the country sat around and had everything mapped out, including the ability to amend the rules, yet they totally left out that the nation was "supposed to be a christian nation" by accident. Something so important to the founders, according to these book thumpers, was just overlooked. Ridiculous.
The context you say is lacking could be there, same as the context of the citizenry being well armed and training regularly. Clear context in their time that is no longer legible in our time due to the foam dripping from rabid radicals diving through the core of it all.
My family believes that trump was sent from god and he’s here to save us. It’s hard to have any type of political / religious conversations with them. In their minds they KNOW they’re right.
@@Wanderer-z9k That is objectively untrue, more conservatives have died from old age THIS YEAR than people have joined the conservative party since 2000
@@sentinelUSA05 If God can work through Trump* then why doesn't God do it? Why is God ALWAYS silent when conservatives Christians do horrible, bullying, and sometimes criminal acts in the name of God? (*What I said also applies to almost EVERY Congress person, , every president, Supreme Court justice, every governor, every preacher, and every televangelist)
I would like to be respectful of others religious choices, but it’s hard when religion is so dangerous, religious people can justify literally anything simply by saying it’s gods plan and that he works in mysterious ways, it completely circumvents rational analysis which in my opinion is one of the most dangerous things a population can be subjected too.
I’m not even religious but it hurts to watch people perverse religion just to hurt people and gain power. It makes life for normal religious people to be seen as normal rather than radicals like the other crazy radical religious people
When in your life are you forced to contend with anyone’s religious beliefs that in a way that impacts your life? Rich and powerful interests will use anything to justify their actions. God, money, culture, freedom and democracy etc have all been used to start wars. No one is using rationality to govern.
I was raised Christian and honestly, I get incredibly nervous when faith and state intermix, it doesn't ever end well. No one knows gods plan, nor is God able to appoint anyone. Which is why I'm all for supporting my fellow comrades around the world, the situation in Palestine and Isreal makes me scared. There is always a solution that can come before violence, even fellow socialists, stalin included, knew this.
Stalin killed millions & enslaved millions more than even Hitler moron. Anyone who wants to attack civil society for not adhering to your f'd up world view will eventually get what's coming to you. Keep poking the people and wake up to reality in your face.
There is, but the idea that we should shame or attack violence as a response only helps oppressors . Attack violence in politics on its own merits and results, not on some broad rule .
Man ignores the based theocratic catholic governments the world once had. Stalin was a communist not a socialist he literally ordered the destruction of Germany
Any religious system where questioning the established authority is considered to be a weakness of one's faith is inherently vulnerable to abuse by those in charge. We've seen how badly this has led the Religious Right down dark paths.
The Irony is, No One in "The Religious Right" says You are Not Allowed to Question the Established Authority. In Fact, They say The Opposite and Promote Individualism. Its Ironically The Secular Left that Actually Imposes on You Authoritarianism and Says You aren';t Allowed to Question it. Seriously, though, in The Real World, The Religious Right is Far Less Censorious than The Secular Left, and tends Not to Think of its Leaders as Infallible and Ordaiend by God thus Unquestionable.
Hell the Bible even says that you should follow the laws of man as God appointed those men who made the laws. Romans 13. I also like when Christian Nationalists say that Biden (and Obama before him) were placed in power by the devil. They are basically saying that Satan has more power than God. Talk about a crisis of faith lol.
People who came over on the mayflower were Christian. "Christian nationalism" is just a weapon that the liberal left and media such as this video are using so that they can establish and push their agenda for their liberal utopia (filled with degeneracy, feminism, idolatry, BLM, pro Hamas, Etc.). This country was founded upon Christian-Judeo values, the founding fathers and many historical figures of the U.S always quoted verses from the bible, it's why we have "In God We Trust" on the back of our currency, it's how our law and society was built and why we were able to make it through 2 World Wars. It wasn't until 5 seconds ago that liberals are trying to do everything in their power to disprove the facts and say "well no it's not a Christian country", the U.S was and always has been a Christian country.
@@IndianaJonesTDH 'Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. -- Constitution of the United States of America www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights-transcript#:~:text=Bill%20of%20Rights.%22-,Amendment%20I,for%20a%20redress%20of%20grievances.
@@IndianaJonesTDHFreedom of religion, that no one religion be dictated upon you or any religious group dictate its values upon the government. Unanimously America’s founding fathers voted to have no official religion, and they fully supported having a separation of church and state. What do you not get about that?
@@BickyNuckley thats not even what secularism is nor what Jefferson wrote about in his letter. People of faith can influence kf state there values ect its there right. State cant meddle in church affairs thats what secularism is Apperantly people dont understand there history
@@IndianaJonesTDH “Secularism: The separation of religion from civil affairs and the state” Not too sure what you’re not understanding, but religious folk such as yourself do like to twist words to mean what you want them to mean so I don’t blame you. But I am always willing to turn the other cheek to dishonest people such as yourself. Religion has no place in state or governmental affairs. I bet you also approve of the bill that Oklahoma representatives are trying to pass to put the Ten Commandments up in school classrooms.
I'm from India, and I am similarly concerned about the growing threat of Hindu Nationalism in India. Our constitution states that our country is secular but the direction in which our country is headed is bothering me. (I am an ex-Hindu btw)
Ex- religious people are bunch of most amusing people , they still want to associate themselves with the religion they already left ex muslim, ex hindus but still have strange obsession with identifying themselves with their old religion
@@Cupcake0228 there's nothing wrong with stating something like that as context for a given comment. If anything it's useful to qualify someone's perspective (i.e. this person has sufficient experience in this/that religion to speak on it accurately).
I was raised Christian and homeschooled. On the one hand, my mom is a very intelligent woman who taught us extremely well. I got great SAT scores, was brought up to be respectful and considerate, and loved going to church. On the other hand, my dad is a horrible narcissist who used religion to try to control and harass everyone constantly, and is extremely awful to minorities. There are a lot of things I've had to unlearn, or re-learn, because I was so isolated and didn't know any better. Christianity is frequently used by horrible people as an excuse to be horrible. Then it becomes more cultish, and it's deeply disturbing. I've seen wonderful Christian communities and unsettling ones. You never really know who's an actual Christian (in practice) until you see how they treat other people. Christianity should be a good thing but it frequently isn't. It can be corrupted just like everything else. Knowing that, I don't want any particular religion running things. I just want some sane human beings who care about the wellbeing of others.
Most people in any position of power care about only the wellbeing, of themselves. Something else few talk about- why are so many people in politics on all levels... why are so many the children of other so called public servants? Convenience? Almost looks like another system.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_ *- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president) The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_ This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion. *Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office* _"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_* This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required. _“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_ *-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797* ....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything. A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli. *PETER CARL BORMUTH, Petitioner,* *V.* *COUNTY OF JACKSON, MICHIGAN Respondent* This Court also released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote: _"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". _*_The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that our government is not based on the Christian religion_*_ and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_ _“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_ *-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817) _"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_ *-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823) _"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_ *-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac) _“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_ *― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
As always, the best counter to people pushing for what they call christian values is to crack open the book and quote the Word they claim to represent back at them.
@@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448 'Love thy neighbour' 'Don't worship false idols' 'render onto Caesar what is Caesar's' 'the good Samaritan' 'why would the gentiles be undeserving of God's love?' I would say they all pretty much contradict nationalism.
Galatians 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”@@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448
I enjoy that you bring in actual Christians who are fighting against the nationalistic sects. I grew up Christian and part of the reason I left was the disconnect between what I knew of Jesus's teachings and the actions of the "body of Christ". There was no loving thy neighbour as oneself, and while there was a facade of caring(and tbf my family's church did good in their community as do many churches), there was no real fight to solve the problems, and the big churches with resources only publicly helped when there was benefit to them. First time I fully understood a few socialist concepts it was just "oh, that's what Jesus said". I'd left before this strange takeover that seems to infect little churches too, but it's only solidified my position that the corruption is pretty core.
It's truly sad about the disconnect and facade, let alone false teachings, in many congregations these days! However, that being said, our own salvation depends first and foremost, and only, on Jesus and how we respond to him. He and God are who we are supposed to personally focus on, imitate, and have a relationship with in--no one else matters. In other words, while it's a truly great blessing and often answered prayer to be able to have fellow Christians and friends around us who will be there to support and guide us through the tough times in life and share in the happy times too, it's also not necessary or required in order for us to be able to have our sins washed away through baptism or maintain a relationship with Him and live a Godly life afterward.
@@jomammayomamma this is an idiotic delusion you are peddling, and it supports the idiotic delusions of the scum who will kill us all when this cancer becomes malignant.
@@jomammayomamma JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY, so you say. And that right there is preaching exclusivism, bigotry, and ultimately dehumanizing the other, the non-Christian. Your mindset is precisely why your religion has slaughtered millions in Jesus' name and why it needs to be OUT of politics. If you want to believe that, knock yourself out. But don't go around shoving in everyone's face and insist that your way is the ONLY way.
@Hi-jw7oq oh I don't know Homelessness and poverty. You know, the sort of things that religious people are against but refuse to do real things about. Yet, continue to cut and destroy social safety nets that help alleviate homelessness and poverty. You know, the things that religious people are supposedly against. But religious people continue to shame and blame the person rather than the structural corruption that allows homelessness and poverty to exist. You know, the things that religious people are against. Am I making my point here? If for some reason you don't understand, the reason why I repeated myself is because religious people also repeat themselves ad nauseam but don't anything about it. They're hypocrites. They say one thing but do the opposite
I'm Dutch and this episode reminds me of lessons I followed about the16nth and 17nth century religious history of the Netherlands. US, you have a long way to go.
In what respect? I’m curious as to what you mean by it reminds you of that. I’m american but I’m interested in the religious history of the Netherlands
@@LordFloofTM He probably refers to the Protestant Reformation after Martin Luther and Jehan Cauvin. That led to the north of the Habsburg Netherlands breaking with the Pope, and that (with other factors) led to the Eighty-year war with Spain (Philip II, the catholic king and sovereign of Habsburg). Basically, many groups wanted to break away from Catholicism and become protestant and eventually they made the Dutch republic.
The weirdest bit is these guys will say that the Bible should influence policy, but just the parts that they think they can use to clobber people they don’t like. Not the parts about being kind and forgiving debt and caring for one another.
I love this idea of "Thats not how our founding fathers intended" is so obviously maliciously coded and repeated that it relies on no one actually bothering to read the bill of rights itself or the history. Its even fucking stated that there would be a separation of Church and state, by the fucking founders themselves. This is at best absolute ignorance and at worse willful gaslighting/rewriting of history.
Separation of church and state is NOWHERE in the constitution. It says "Freedom of religion" and that's it. If that is what you mean, then I guess government official can't speak because "Freedom of Speech" would then mean "separation of speech and state"
I think it's absurd to deify the 'founding fathers'. They were sinners like anyone else. Some did not consider their own liberty incompatible with the bondage of black men, women, and children. They preferred violent revolution, civil war in fact, to negotiation with the British. If their grievances were econmic, then greed must have entered their hearts somewhere along rthe line. And it's true, they were NOT all Christians. Deism was a fashionable doctrine in those days. Some of the French revolutionaries responsible for the Reign of Terror (1792-94) were also Deists. A Deist can act like an atheist while still sounding a bit pious.
News for you: GOD made Church and State inherently separate. The problem is, MEN keep trying to fuse them, or else they turn the State in a 'god' '.The 'founding fathers' avoided the first error to commit the second. That justified their persecution and slaughter of Loyalists. It has bee used to justify American expansionism, colonialism, and forced regime change abroad. The separation has existed ever since the Church was born. The first Christian community, in Jwrusalem, functioned separately from the Roman State, without seeking to challenge it. It had its own social services. The people held their property in common. (Weep, Marxists, it's been done before, and without killing off the rich people.) The Church is spiritual, eternal. The State is temoral, provisional. Church beats State in the long game!!
Funny enough, I was hearing about this stuff long before the term Christian nationalism went mainstream. Only a few years ago, you heard it referred to as Christian Dominionism alot of the time.
I also heard it as this (From Australia). It was heavily associated with Sarah Palin and her family being of that particular streak. Whatever the label - they are rather scary in terms of political ideology dressed up as a culture that 'all good christians' aspire to - essentially a set of sophistical arguments to forcibly relate christians to conservativism or fascism where the vehicle of manipulation is nationalism.
If the whole country goes authoritarian, it is hard to know what to do. My son and family have gotten EU citizenship, so have flexibility to move if things go bad. If they go, we will probably spend our golden years in exile as well. The fact that these people were born into a democracy with a robust rule of law has resulted in the prosperity that they have enjoyed. But they are willing to destroy it for some made up stories and feeling that they have been slighted. What a basis for a country! But you hear this in every word Trump says. The values of democracy and rule of law are truly pearls before swine for these people. I fear for our country, and I fear for the world.
EU is more authoritarian than America will ever be. Have fun being apart of "democracies" with similar politics that undermine citizens and having less rights
Id say you make a company or organization that protects people from their own government. Provide food, water, and shelter for low cost until you can grown big enough to have a town or city full of people and spread. It could easily start as a non profit chrity thing where "employ" everyone, they work their regular jobs while doing an hour of "work" a week for you.
America has never been really democratic. Capitalism has always kept it democratic in name alone; in reality, the bourgeoisie holds real power, and we workers never have.
@basedcomrade1595 you are definitely right. That's why man power and capital can easily bring the entire nation under new, good, just, management, under an extremely morally strong leader. Ever day that goes by I lean more and more into believing a benevolent dictator is what the nation..no..what the world needs.
As a Christian from the UK this explains a lot. Youth leaders/summer camps etc would often use materials made by Americans, and something that always struck me was how convinced they were that as a ‘real’ Christian I must be struggling under oppression and severe peer pressure to renounce my faith. In the UK! No one cares if I don’t have sex until I’m married or go to church, not even my Christian friends! But the framing of Christian life as an eternal struggle against the zeitgeist makes a lot more sense if political motivations are behind it
As a Christian, I cannot thank you enough for this video. The letters to the churches in the new testament warn of a great apostasy where false doctrine will infiltrate the church and people will fall for it in droves, but remain “Christians” in name, and it’s crushing to see it happening right now, with my own family. The irony is that I’m the one they claim is the heretic and apostate, because I apparently take the teachings of the Bible more seriously than they do, which is why I’m a socialist who doesn’t allow her son to recite the pledge of allegiance (could there be more blatant idolatry??), and an advocate for social justice. Being convinced that I’m actually following the teachings and example of Christ is little comfort as I watch the people who raised me in the faith turn their eyes from Jesus to worship at the feet of empire, taking His name in vain in the most disgusting way. It’s gotten so bad I hesitate to call myself a Christian, because the association has become so polluted; I’m leaning towards “Jesus freak” as I’ve been called a communist freak by my mother already, so it seems more fitting. 🥲
@@dudono1744It's funny to me (well, funny in a sad way) that most religions basically say "don't be a dick" but ultra-religious people are just like "nah".
Jesus' own friends of the family tried to literally throw him off a cliff for his leftist teachings. Of the Cast of Characters in the Bible, we have to ask ourselves: whom to we look like the most? That rebel rabbi Jesus and his motley crew or those who hated them? (and it was pretty much that binary) This is exactly what Jesus meant by "If you aren't willing to take shit from your own friends, family, coworkers, church congregation, even your own government and to the point of being ostracized by them even, then my schtick ain't for you." (slight paraphrase) History has shown this is indeed often the case. Personally, I'm OK with being despised by fascists, false Christians (claiming Christ but willfully doing the exact opposite), supremacists and oppressors of any kind. I'd *not* be OK with being liked by them.
@@west221b those "false christians" are more christian than you; they follow more of the bible. Your god demands slavery, mass r@pe, and genocides. Read leviticus for once, will ya? You really think the crusaders, the inquisitors of Madrid, the Jesuits didn't read your book hard enough? Lol lack of self-examination is the only reason you're christian. It must feel strange, believing a religion that the critics know more about than you do.
Though I'm an agnostic, I have great respect for men like AJ Shortley. Simply because of what they preach. Forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, charity, humility. All, from what I've read 'Christian virtues'.
Also, it proved there are rudimentary differences between preachers like Shortley vs preachers like Jeffress. Apparently, Jeffress is motivated by a thirst for political power, and an opulent lifestyle, but mostly political power.
@@rhetoric5173 If America is Gods chosen country, news of that has not reached Israel. All of this seems just a way to justify any thing you want to do.
"And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." - James Madison, Founding Father, 4th president, and a major contributer to the constitution.
christian nationalists seem to take the the constituaion as a holy scripture, and the founding fathers as holy saints ONLY when it suits them, and seem to always ignore the fact they specifically were very strongly against religion having any interference with the government
I'm not familiar with your culture. But syncretism is always a problem in and around the Church. We ought to read God's Word to be fed by Him, not to impose our cultural preconceptions. I'm not convinced that either public schooling or homeschooling will immunize a person again st deception. As the Bible says, satan is 'god of this world', 'prince of the power of the air'. It is according to human that we lap up deception, if not from one source, then from another. The Bible has a wonderful expression, about people 'having their ears tickled'.
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Christianity is a death cult. You cannot be a follower of Jesus Christ and also be a Christian.
Your making amazing videos.
religion should be part of the state to be a religious center like the vatican or mecca, everywhere else is mixed and should not have hard line borders of religion otherwise there be another ireland split into two nations.
@@martinsto8190thank you for the balance
@@martinsto8190 The American founding fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817)
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823)
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
People (especially the simple minded) don't like to admit that they were tricked. It's an ego defense mechanism.
Isn't it terrifying that millions cling to Trump's every word while being ignorant of the benign brilliance of Carl Sagan?
"To trick someone is easy, you simply overcome their intellect. Convincing someone they have been tricked is hard, it requires overcoming their pride."
This quote almost makes me weep. The void left by ignorance (especially the ignorance engendered by our "state-sanctioned" decimation of education) has been the breeding ground for the most vile, ignorant and destructive aspects of our contemporary culture and civic nation.
omg he actually said bamboozle 😭
Back when i was a Christian long ago, one of my pastors said "if you force Christianity on people, they just end up faking it. And faking your love for god is no better than not loving him at all". More Christians need to hear this
This assumes that no Christian is faking it. I disagree--with the definition of "faking it" to include fear of eternal punishment compelling folks, even at a subconscious level, to be less uncomfortable with cognitive dissonance than with eternal damnation.
The remainder are largely products of their given worldview.
So once was I.
Bingo
@west221b I'm a Christian and i always here about this fear of eternal punishment. Can you please explain what you mean by fear? And eternal punishment?
This is backed by history. Whenever a religion has been forced or strongly encouraged, people will fake it.
It happened in America, one part of the 13 colonies forced their beliefs onto others. So, people just did what they had to in order to survive. Putting on false religious piety.
I am firmly against forcing religious beliefs onto others.
Nope. Fake it to you make it
Sure let's put some biblical laws into play. Let's limit interest rates. Let's forgive debt- ALL DEBT after a period of time. Let's enforce taxes. Let's feed the hungry and heal the sick.
Also, no shellfish. I don't like how it tastes. Mixed fabrics, gotta go.
@@uooooooooh Christian nationalists are as likely to ban shellfish as they are to ban Usury.
@@uoooooooohchristianity abolished those
Based Biblical Economics
@@saturationstation1446 the New Testament is, low key, pretty chill. Despite saying he doesn't intend to supercede the words of the Old Testament he gives a lot of very explicit instructions that make it clear ideas such as hate and persecution are wrong.
As an european just watching the first 4 minutes is so surreal. Church shouldn’t be a entertainment event
White and privileged Americans have being using church to suppress their guilt over systematic oppression for centuries. They knew racialized slavery was morally wrong, so they fabricated or decontextualized Biblical scripture to justify it and deluded themselves into believing themselves to be "saviors of a savage race." South Methodists have their own denomination because they wanted to support slavery, even though the founders of Methodism were some of the first Europeans to criticize the institution of chattel slavery as an absolute moral wrong that contradicted the teachings of Jesus Christ. Modern evangelical christians tell themselves this with "hate the sin, not the sinner" before torturing LGBTQ people in conversion 'therapy'
+1
I might be American, but I agree with you.
I used to think Europe was very religious because of all the monarchies and wars based on religious differences, and wyt Americans are predominantly European descendants. Blew my mind when I heard it's mostly secular!
@@kcearthkid2700 it totally is !
Man, just seeing this title reminded me of my birthday a couple years ago.
Mom was screaming at me because I wouldn't support Trump, I told her that I had to question his motives and intentions because 'all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god'. Told her that I found idolatry focused on Trump and America to be deeply disturbing.
Then she shouted at me that questioning capitalism was the *real* idolatry.
I have not been more depressed and/or confused before or since.
Damn, yeah wonder why The Dude was a Socialist with the 5k fed with a few fish and some bread instead of CHARGING everyone who ate.
Time to fight back. That woman isn't your mum anymore, just another enemy of Christ.
I’m so sorry your birthday experience was so frustrating and heartbreaking. You have lots of support from more reasonable people who are in more population in this country. Hang in there. 🫂
You're not confused. You're seeing the situation clearly.
Your mom's response about questioning capitalism being idolatry is a clear indication that she worships money, just like Trump.
Here's the appropriate Bible passage to quote back at her:
Matthew 6:24, NIV: “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."
Ask her about "serving God or serving mammon"
I had a Christian county judge literally remove my first amendment rights. It’s the first time it’s ever happened in a civil court. I appealed it and won, but it still cost me a fortune.
How they remove your right?
A judge gave me an order that said “you are not allowed to talk about religion”. He also removed my legal custody of my daughter from me for no reason. I got both back when I appealed but it took a year and cost me all my savings.
@@koryeasterday5164 hmmm that’s weird. Is there something I can look up to check out the details?
@@ernestorodriguez456you might have to log in to read the full article.
@@ernestorodriguez456aka fact check you cause I doubt most things I see. Lol
Eastern Europeans watching an American Pastor say their country was founded by orthodox christians:
Iconoclasts larping soo hard to be like the church fathers
He's not talking about the denomination. Most denominations think they are the bastions of orthodoxy.
American Protestants have no idea that “Orthodoxy” is a denomination.
When the vast majority of the first European Christians in America were protestants wanting to /escape/ the grip of the (in their time) orthodox church. Catholicism and the Church of England.
@@alephmale3171 because it isn't. The whole thing about orthodoxy was hotly debated up to the nicean council in early Christian history. Ever since, the Catholic Church claimed orthodoxy and was backed by the then crumbling roman empire. Other local churches decided that their version of Christianity was orthodox, and called their denomination such. Since then most protestant movements have been as a result of someone deciding that the current established tradition was not orthodox when compared to the bible. Orthodoxy implies purity of faith. It's not a specific denomination although there are denominations with orthodox in their name.
This whole reference to the founding fathers is so baffling to me, as a European. Like, ok, so if they meant it to be a Christian nation, it has to be so? Like, these dudes have been dead for a long time. Why would their opinions matter more than the people living in the US NOW???
Because Americans treat their history as if it was a religion. These 'Founding Fathers' have been turned into mythical figures that were full of wisdom and knowledge (in truth they were generally just very recalcitrant 20-something year olds). So they use the concept of these Great Founding Fathers, just like they're using Jesus as a mythical figure to push their agenda. Because you if oppose the Founding Fathers, you oppose America as a whole, and that wouldn't be very patriotic, would it?
They had cool mustaches
Why you will Never as great as us. Those that stand for nothing will fall for anything
@@justinfowler1271that is such an asinine and cheap slogan. Only a blind sheep would say something like that because that is not entirely true. If I choose not to worship ANY god based on my observation of who this world has been working and what these gods/goddesses yearn for, then how can I be misled? Coming from a pentecostal christian religion, I understand that bible god and his son are no different from any other god. They all want blood, to be worshipped and praised and if that's not happening then there is hell to pay. LITERALLY. That being the case, that means that they also live off our fear and want us to be slaves to THEIR way. That is very narcissistic and malevolent. It's also psychotic. I could never fall for ANYTHING knowing how these beings move.
@@justinfowler1271put a shirt on goober and try not to assume stuff about folks 😂
Makes ya an ass
This is why the American founding fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817)
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823)
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
Beautiful post. Thank you.
@@diyac9554 You welcome....
Contrary to popular American folklore, the founding fathers DID NOT BELIEVE in the Bible, DID NOT IDENTIFY as Christian & DID NOT CREATE a government based on those values.
In fact, most had an extremely obvious & palpable dislike of it. Just look at the laws they passed, treaties they ratified, the letters they exchanged & the books they published; written, edited & published by the Founding Fathers, themselves.
Publications like, *Age of Reason* or *Reason: The Only Oracle of Man* or *The Jefferson Bible* are good introductions. They are all damning critiques of Christianity.
_"I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism make me one."_
*-Ethan Allen - Reason the Only Oracle of Man*
_"The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up."_
*- Thomas Paine - Age of Reason (1794)*
_“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”_
*-Thomas Jefferson - in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813*
_"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies."_
*- Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanack)
_“Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies.”_
*- Thomas Paine - Age of Reason (1794)*
_“Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?”_
*-Letter John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817*
_“Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”_
*-James Madison - Letter to Wm. Bradford, April 1, 1774*
_"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”_
*-James Madison, Ibid, 1785* (American statesman, diplomat, Founding Father, 4th president of the United States)
_"I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”_
*-George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789*
_"In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man’s religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States.”_
*-George Washington - letter to the members of the New Church in Baltimore, January 27, 17*
As a christian I don't care about what alcoholic genocidal slave owning rapists said about my God 250 years ago
@@xjarheadjohnson They forgot to codify this separation. Oops.
... also, once ratified by the senate, treaties become law on the same level as the constitution itself.
16:26 "the god of christian nationalism is'nt so much the Abrahamic god, the god it's America"
Very well said.
Being a Christian and a Veteran, I got a bit defensive during the Trump years when one of the (I believe) Mayors or Governors started their term with a Satanic chant or something... It's been a while.
But I replied a lot with "Freedom of religion" and there were a few who actually agreed.
Just ranting, a little sick, winter, ugh.
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How do you explain Spain, Italy, France or Poland who have growing Christian nationals... Such a stupid comment really 😂
Read Moses and compare he is Trump.
@@Triple_J.1 But it was Johnson who said he was Moses!
The treatment of native Americans and the land grab was any thing but Christ like.
Christians still say it was a good thing when you bring it up
@@setsen337I don’t 🫤. Well I ain’t Protestant, I’m Orthodox Christian ☦️
But they were Godless heathens was the battlecry back then.
It sickens me that my Fairweather Ultra-Catholic father believed that argument and was way too into the Indian Wars of Post-Civil War Murrica...
Christian fundamentalism is how humanity becomes the boogeyman in Warhammer 40K.
Christ does not belong to any nation . Christ is for the world.
When Church and State are mixed, it ruins BOTH of them.
False. Every government that doesn’t bow to God is doomed to fail and dwell in degeneracy
@@bjehulkYou haven't proven a god exists religitard. Consider dropping your religious delusions throwing out your faith and replacing it with knowledge.
CHURCH AND STATE IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION AND THAT IS A FACT
@@stevenmcdonough7772 No, state-sponsored churches are explicitly not permitted in the Constitution for a very good reason. If you are in an Abrahamic religion, then you exclude either Christians and Jews, Jews and Muslims, or Christians and Muslims. And/or any other groups that worship the God of Abraham. Even if you were to restrict it to Christianity (however you understand it), which denomination to use? Evangelicals are fighting for THEIR denomination, to the potential exclusion of Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Presbyterians, Episcopals, 7th day adventists, Baptists, Methodists, and even these can be divided by sect, as many of these have splintered multiple times.
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"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in Old Glory and waving a cross" - Upton Sinclair
News flash america was founded in fascism - you all stole this land through genocide based on race and the bible.
@@AuntyKsTarot that's a dishonest over-simplification.
@@SonsOfLorgar ok colonizer. Go tell yourself some other fairytales.
Colonized past victimized mindset? Wake up and stop living in the past…
@AuntyKsTarot You're the one living in a fairytale he never said that. And it's not from "it can't happen here" I read the book something you didn't.
Oh my gosh, as a believer, I thank you so much for this video. You put it much better than I could. I will certainly be sharing this with so many people. The difference between people flying the Chrisitan banner, and what we actually believe has been a thorn in my side for some time now.
Who made you the authority on what Christians "actually" believe?
@@lucyferos205 Good point, don't take my word for it, I am a random Internet guy. If you want to know what we really believe, read Catholic cannon and church doctrine.
The creator of this video is an obvious antichristian anticonstitutional socialist. He doesn’t give a damn about Christ. Don’t believe his lies.
@@lucyferos205Christians actually believe the whole Bible. Simple as that.
@@GenericRUclipsGuy no mixed fabrics for them, i guess.
Thanks!
Always fascinated by the idea that the Earth took so much effort to create that the process made an all powerful being have to rest after it’s construction
And yet so many evangelicals think there’s nothing disrespectful to God if we trash the planet he exhaustingly made for us.
I'm a Christian who grew up in a Christian Nationalist household. I can explain.
They want the apocalypse to happen. Their goal isn't to save the world or even to gain more followers to Christ, their goal is to end it. By doing so, the Seven Seals will be broken, the Rapture will happen, and everyone who doesn't agree with them or fit into their idea of what is moral and normal will be damned to eternal torment in hell.
Yeah, but the entire rest of the universe in under a day, no sweat. Pretty nonsense book tbh.
By my understanding of the verses in question, it’s not that He needed to rest; rather, He chose to rest in order to set an example for us- that after doing good work, it is right and good to take time to rest and observe the fruits of our labor.
But your point stands- He looked at what He had created “and it was very good.” We’ve already brought a curse upon this world through our sin, let’s not destroy it any further. We are to exercise dominion over the earth, but as it belongs to God we are effectively its stewards. As such, we must take good care of the world and everything in it.
@@TheCrazyCapMasterHe?
how could he do something if he doesn't exist? @@TheCrazyCapMaster
"I'll say it again-it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of A needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!" - Matthew 19:24
I think that's a mistranslation or a simple error. There was a rope for boats, called ΚΑΜΙΛΟΣ (cámilos). This got mixed with ΚΑΜΗΛΟΣ (cámeelos) which is the camel.
So, the original was referring to a rope, which is much thicker than a thread.
@@ClassicalTrainingthe point still stands although it’s less on the nose. still hard for a marine rope to go through the eye of a needle.
@@ClassicalTraining What failure of a Christian apologist did you hear that from?
@user-ly9fn8iq4w The message is still the same though.
Other replies appear to be incorrect. This is how I learned it from Sunday School some 40 years ago:
The phrase The Eye Of The Needle refers to a narrow, low gate that required pack camels to be specially trained to crawl on their knees in order to fit. Only a handful of camels were able to perform the task, hence the analogy.
And Ms. Bobert would know, being such a shining example of Christianity herself.
Well she IS a handy xtian...
@@bobbafett1849 Nice use of x, no sarcasm.
The ongoing war between MTG and Boebert is hysterical. Yesterday in a rage filled tweet after her bill to label Rashida Tlaib a terrorist failed, MTG referenced "vaping groping Lauren Boebert". I am hoping for a good old fashioned duel.
Bobert is certainly a Christian who thinks her status as, “saved” makes her bulletproof against criticism or a need for self-examination and potential behavioral adjustments.😢😳😤
Laurn Bobert isn't a person she is 4 thots in a Christian trench coat...
These are unchristian cultists
Which is mainstream Christianity in the USA.
"You cannot worship both God and mammon (money)". Remember who said that? Ultimately, #45 worships money, power, and applause. Not God. The former are all man-made.
they give christians a bad name
Something interesting about the Handmaid's tale books is that the author, in order to avoid being accused of having a dark or twisted imagination, has only written about scenarios that have actually taken place somewhere in the world. Everything in those books, is not only a possible reality, but was at one time, somewhere in the world.
😂 No it did not happen. Show me the country where a wife held another woman as she was raped by the dad.
Handmade tale is a leftist wet dream of what they think conservative Christians actually believe. Its so over the top and absurd and is downright cringe many times.
Its entertainment for idiots who dream of "saving" people from religion and all its made up horrors. Garbage
Citation needed
The author of The Handmaids Tale has not been quiet about stating that she based it on how women had been actually treated in some societies.
It's not even "somewhere in the world." Enslaved black women were the first handmaids, except it was much more brutal and horrific.
@@dancingnatureMuslim world
As an atheist, I hope for peace and tolerance, where the government is not biased towards any religion. So that way no one is persecuted or excluded for religious belief
While I agree, the thing about people is that if they don’t have one of “their people “ in power they feel oppressed.
@@sethevans5318 Name one open atheist that has held office in the US. Hint there has only been ONE in congress.
@@sethevans5318 Atheists are the most marginalized religious demographic in the world.
That will never happen in America. We would have to want to have equality and liberty for all.
@@the_algorithm
We don't know because you have to say your christian to get elected but that does not make you a Christian always
The first boyfriend I ever had, a devout 16 year old Christian, told me that he was Republican because that’s what the founding fathers of this great country were. He had no awareness that the Republican Party didn’t exist in 1776 and that this was not intended to be a christian nation.
Most Americans can't even describe what "Republican" means outside of the general context of U.S. politics, which is just grossly misrepresentative of every word it appropriates.
@@Matthew.E.Kelly. I'm starting to doubt that very many United Staters can remember anything before the '000 and '004 elections.
Better than a liberal athiest nation.
The first few presidents in fact were independent and we're not specified under a party
@@WoodlandSocialistthey were bourgeoise liberal capitalists. All of the parties of American history spring from that central philosophical doctrine & class alignment.
As someone who's grown up in Dallas for over 30 years, the majority of us and the younger generation are chill and liberal... And think these evangelicals are wackos.
- they're liberal
That's the problem tovarish, no petty borgeuoise allowed here 🚩🌾🛠⚒️🌾🚩
Just remember the Boomers used to be acid-dropping anti-war leftists. Then they all voted for Reagan one day.
@@pao5567calm down and don’t be so obnoxious. They’ll get more leftist as they age, that’s the current trend with gen z and millennials.
@@Bonaboo even some Gen X.
I grew up I. Waxahatchie. I left Texas for New York. My family was terrible and I don't regret leaving
As a Catholic, I never like that Catholic nationalism stuff. I personally just leave people who aren’t Christian alone and some of non Christian’s I talked to are pretty chill. Thanks for bringing this up I hate the people who put religion and hatred over Jesus
The American founding fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817)
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823)
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
Even that’s sentiment is nutso. I talked to some non Christian’s who were chill. Like what
Here’s a deep dark secret they don’t like to talk about: Leftist Catholics. Go look up the Catholic Worker Movement and Dorothy Day. There are other iterations of Leftist religious ideology. Don’t concede anything to the right wing. For every right wing claim to Jesus, there are two from the left and CAN BE backed by scripture.
@@greenburg2276right? Lmao
@@Projoloreligion= bs.
"America was founded by Orthodox Christians"
Russians, Greeks, Georgians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbs: *O____O*
Yeah, he has no idea what he’s talking about lol
Plus Coptics, Armenians, Ethiopians and it’s northeastern neighbor, and a small portion of Arabs who strongly refused convert to Islam, since it’s existence spread to their areas.
Evangelicals use orthodox as old doctrine, opposed by the liberal doctrine. Weird naming, but what can you expect
Yeah at the end of the day everyone is balkan
@@calebashby4508 based
American Christians worship America. Not the God of Abraham and all existence. Wonderful point.
That's not completely true.
@@samseddmediaIt’s not at all true
This is not true of all American Christians.
@@5johnsneed7 Don’t even give them the benefit of the doubt. They hate Christianity.
Being proud of your country does not mean you worship it
One things that always confuses as a non American from the outside is this constant debate on whether the founding fathers of America created it as a Christian nation or not. Why does it matter. Isn't the goal of society to progress and get better?
I think it's part of a larger debate about HOW to get better. Also, some think that we already hit the perfect point, and have regressed since.
We think so here, too. Many of our founding fathers were educated enough to have been agnostic.
And yes, there is to be separation of church & state, so each could worship according to their choice.
The only improvement for a society is to obey God and do as He says.
It matters because the connection between the church of England and the Crown.
@@holdthewindsno
Some Bible verses these Christian nationalists need to read:
Matthew 25:35-40
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
Matthew 22:21
Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's
Luke 10:25
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and, Love your neighbor as yourself
John 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her
Matthew 6:5-6
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you
Jesus himself is a socialist and the Christian nationalists deem that woke.
The whole of Matthew 22 is a damnation to the current state of American Christian Nationalism.
I'll add Romans 14:1-4:
1
Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters.
2
One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
3
The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.
4
Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Matt 12:50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother
Romans 2:12
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but transformed by the renewing of your mind, that by testing you may discern the will of God.
Basically saying outright that anybody who believes a church is where you should get your sense of morality is anti-christian.
Christians don't read the Bible. If they did, they'd be atheists
At this point I feel like because of so many schisms and denominations, I'm not even sure when people claim to be "true christians".
There is no such thing as a "true Christian" the bible itself is contradictory hence why there are two testaments and dozens of Christian sects, all contradicting each other, this is why as a former secular catholic and now an agnostic pluralist I recognise that secularism is the only viable religious solution for any society wether Abrahamic, Buddhist, Sikh etc
@@JohnT.4321 I mean like the main ones, I'm not counting niche religious Christian groups like Quakers, Plymouths, Methodists etc
This is why the American founding fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern governance.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the United States June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817)
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823)
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
@lettuceatter_9956 It is almost like the babble was compiled, written, rewritten, and interpreted as a means of advancing the interests of those on power or who wanted to be in power, which primarily involved keeping the rabble in line and working in the fields and military. Gotta get those taxes...er...sacrifices ...er ...tithes. Religion sure is a useful tool to capitalism. I feel like some hairy dude once said something about religion and opiates or something.
@randomcdude4430 I have no doubt that religion has always been used as tool for sociedal control, I'm not disputing that at all, but what I do know for a fact is that religion is also inherent to the human condition and no one can change that, no one can actually prove that God does or does not exist it is simply impossible in the current age we live in, thus denying that material reality is idealistic in it of itself, something that Marx rejects, many don't actually understand that his dismissal of theological beliefs was merely personal, his core critique of religion has always been about how it is used as a rulling class tool under capitalism for multiple purposes like you said, religious corruption, extremism and subversion it is by default a product of capitalism, you wouldn't say that dangerous medicine or harmful chemicals that are put in everything we injest are a product of science now would you? Exactly, that's because they're a product of science under capitalism not science in its essence...
I went to a Mormon college and remember a required class called ‘American Heritage’ he pushed how separation of church & state was a myth
It's incredibly true that those who are Christian nationalists, don't go to church or know the bible. My family never goes but they think America is a Christian state. This is the easiest thing to counter when we talk because you remind them they don't practice religion and what can they say?
Going to church doesn't make you Christian. In fact, Jesus overtly opposed organized religion, believing firmly that true faith is something you keep to yourself and determine for yourself. It could easily be argued that by going to church you are actively rejecting Jesus and his teachings.
Personally I am of the opinion that Christians in general have no clue about their religion. The crusades, inquire and holocaust are all dismissed for the idea that those aren't real Christians. School shooters? Same thing. Witch trials not real Christians. I hear the excuse too often. Most people don't even know that Christianity was made to control and conquer while making the followers fight over jesus.
Inquire=inquisition
@@dontmisunderstand6041perhaps, however private religious practices were not and gatherings of believers were common even in the earliest days of the church.
They know more about creating bogus acts and trolling social media than their so-called holy book.
Boy i sure do love when history repeats itself, always so fun to live through already told hellish stories
Like the left wing terrorism of the 60s and 70s.
The American education system and religion is terrifying to a European like me.
@@Skoopyghost Almost all of the actual violence comes from Democrats and the people who do and would vote for them. They lie about the threats to deflect from them. Murder rates are concentrated in Democratic areas by Democrats.
bible has warned us about this
@@zhanucong4614 🙄
What I don’t like is that people can’t see that separating religion from government gives us the freedom to practice or not practice. I’m a Christian but nothing scares me more than religious influence in government. I don’t wish my religious views on others and I wouldn’t want others forced on me. The streak of dominionist and theocratic thinking has plagued the world for far too long.
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@@sentinelUSA05Judaism came first ,:(
@@sentinelUSA05 when talking about history, Judaism was the first religion to be in practice. Then Christianity, Islam, and finally Morman
@@sentinelUSA05 Seems like this is yet another case where being a member of a religion, and practicing the general values of a religion are hard to distinct between under the same umbrella term.
I can't make any assumption of wks's level of faithfulness in Christianity. However, I at least assume that they *believe* in the values of generosity, forgiveness, and compassion and solidarity with the suffering, as taught by this religion's scriptures.
Personally, I am an atheist, but that doesn't mean I fiercely follow the exact opposite of any values that are a part of any religion, nor that I consider religious people to be my enemy. In many cases, I follow values that happen to be reflected in many religions, even if I have no interest in looking into them or dedicating my time into adopting one specific religion's values.
Whether or not wks truly believes that Christianity's God exists, or just follows core Christian values, does not matter to me. This information does not decide whether or not I can like them as a person. What I care about is how they treat others and themselves. If following Christianity's values has made them a kind, compassionate person, then realistically I don't care if they a "true" Christian or not. If they exercise compassionate, mutually understanding values, that's good enough for me.
And if any religion's God is willing to demonize and condemn those who practice the values they teach just because they don't worship them, then their logic is flawed, failing to make them the perfect being that should be prayed to. That is a narcissist. Even if I follow the values taught by a narcissist, that does not mean I must have undying faith and worship for them to demonstrate those values, and neither does wks.
@@sentinelUSA05 Perhaps this is the point where a bigger question shows up about the purpose of following religion. To those who practice religion, what is the motivation, and what is the desired goal?
From what I can tell, there are many who look to God, or any other being as a moral compass with which to guide their life and the actions they take so that they themselves can become a good person. These people just don’t know where to start, and a little guiding hand of advice may be all they need. They just need a philosophy, a set of values to follow. If that philosophy just says “to do good unto others, be understanding of the plight of the vulnerable, and offer to lend a hand when you have the means to save one another,” then a religious follower can still support abortion. Why? Because the kind of people who need abortion could be victims of rape, forced to impregnate, or forcefully impregnated and burdened with a life that neither they nor their rapist were wishing or committed to raise. Religious followers who seek their own means to satisfy the values of their God understand that in this context, impregnation was not a blessing, but a burden placed onto a person who was taken advantage of. They understand that this is the plight of the vulnerable, and abortion will give them a safe way out of even more suffering in the future, in a society where our intrinsic value as living beings are not respected, despite that being a fairly common value in religious scriptures. When we are not given social safety nets and allowed to fall to such undignified levels of poverty and misery, those who claim to follow the whims of God but then also support such socioeconomic systems, have already betrayed their God’s fundamental values, and they are not someone I can respect.
Others do it because they wish to go to heaven, or appease to the lord that has made the rules on what sends you to heaven or hell. Such people will likely be willing to blindly listen to God’s supposed “means of upholding values,” even if they seem hypocritical or counterproductive. If your God says that to not allow a growing baby to be given the “gift of life” then you have sinned, then yes, you fundamentally cannot support abortion. Doing so makes you a sinner, and sinners don’t go to paradise. This to me, is a fundamentally toxic relationship that religion is capable of placing well-meaning individuals in. It basically puts your fate underneath a narcissist who has enforced upon you, the rules of what he likes and what he doesn’t like. All of your actions actions will always be judged, with the threat of eternal suffering or the reward of eternal paradise being used to manipulate you into not questioning God’s way. Such people are vulnerable to forsaking their own kind just to please a God, in which believing is realistically *not* mandatory. To me, there is very little difference between this and a *cult.* Given that cults are often exploited by “preachers” who can’t seem to avoid getting into all kinds of scandals, well-meaning individuals are basically turned into a vessel that follows the commands of their manipulative leader.
While religious individuals are likely to believe in ways I do not believe, I understand that many are motivated with altruistic intentions. However, this nuance is ultimately what determines who is an enemy to me.
If a religious believer merely follows the values of a religion, allowing them to still see others as human beings of equal footing to them, then any flaws in their ways of life are probably going to be easy to rectify. *They are not my enemy.*
The religious member who is my enemy, is an individual who either benefits from forcing their practiced religion onto others (Denies the Freedom to Practice/Abstain from Religion), hides behind their religion to justify their dehumanizing treatment of their own kind (Christian Nationalists, who use their religion to justify discrimination and the desire to violate human rights), or uses religion as a means to manipulate or threaten people to do their bidding, and to see them as a being above humans, and treat them as such. (Narcissistic, Abusive Conman)
Underrated channel. One of the only i’ve seen that goes on unbiased facts going off of hard proof rather than biases, feelings etc.
A little off topic but a not so fun fact about Dallas 1st Baptist. I used to maintain the fountain in front of the church and it had a bad leak for 2 years in 2016-2018. They would not pay to repair it but threatened our contract if it wasn’t running every Sunday. I believe we calculated the water loss at 185,000 gallons a day. For perspective, a swimming pool averages between 30-60k gallons of water😢
Here in Jamaica these noisy evangelicals have a stranglehold on the average minds. Recently our electricity company proposed a 2.5% surcharge on payments over US$1,500 at payment centers - a few days ago I passed a group of church sisters protesting in our business district with the usual baloney signs against gay marriage, violence, child abuse etc., but one sign had me laughing: it was condemning the 2.5% electricity surcharge!!!!
Guess their pastor doesn’t want to pay extra for his AC bill…..😂😂😂😂😂
They need that “fountain of faith” to flow so they parishioners see that all is well with “the church.” (It’s probably some subliminal messaging. Evangelical churches tend to have a lot of that going on to draw in and keep a hold on their “consumers”.)
@@ianchandleyof course batty boy like you ago vex when di people have dem right fi protest what dem feel.
There is no need to lie bro.
Wow - but that figures, I’ve seen some crazy “temporary” bandaids in my time that were spurred on by ops managers who don’t understand systems nor care to. So where was the 185k gallons going, I’m assuming you all had a runoff so that it drained to sewer? Regular city water too? Surprised Dallas Public Works didn’t send them a letter to cease that level of usage. I doubt an aquarium even pulls that much water in 3 months time. What an absolute waste of fresh water, I can’t imagine that estimate was more than the two years of unnecessary flood control measures you all had to put in place OR the water usage cost. Frustrating and disgusting.
As a Christian, I absolutely HATE how co-optible the religion is. “Everyone can join” is a wonderful and beauty sentiment, but also a PRIME idea for capitalist and even supremacist movements😪 anybody who advocates for the abuse of others in any way shouldn’t even get to call themselves Christian
The trouble with religion is it's a rejection of reason and an appeal to emotion. That opens the to door to just about anything. There are many wonderful Christians out there but I think they're wonderful people regardless of their faith. I do think Christianity would be far better off if it was only the Gospels. The Old Testament is a trojan horse for bad ideas and the justification of hatred and bigotry.
Separation of church and state was meant to protect the religion. A lot of atheists wont admit that religion as actually good for society (at least the peaceful ones). The problem is when you mix politics in with it.
@@BlueSpartanus What do you mean "the peaceful ones"?
Yeah, what about "Love thy neighbor" did they forget about Jesus's main teaching
@@BlueSpartanus religion is politics, or at least it is a social construct used to organize and unite certain people under a belief, a belief they used to explain things that before they could not explain. Religion, philosophy and politics are social constructs that are very much intertwined to form a society. I think that religion does not deserve to exist until we expressly prove that there is some scientific reason for it, especially since now we have explanations for things other civilizations didn't have then and thus this skews my view and beliefs, I'm agnostic so take this with a grain of salt because my views are as everyone's are: Very Biased.
As a non-American Christian, I just wanted to remind all our American friends (religious, non-religious, and formerly religious) that what's happening in your country isn't the sum of worldwide religious experiences and expressions.
Amen to that, as a fellow non-American Christian.
Finally someone smarter...u couldn't be more right .
It overwhelming is, the history of religion and Christianity in particular is fascist imperialism, because that's what the ideology teaches. You're all degenerate nazis.
Oh yeah, almost forgot about the world.
Worldwide religious experiences right now are as sweet as they've always been since some abrahamic lunatics cut of their foreskins and started the trilogy of brainrot called Talmud, Bible and Koran.
Americans trying to homogenise a Faith shared by most Nations on the planet all of whom practise in their own unique ways, is kind of insulting honestly.
It's what empires do...
The Faith itself is an insult to humanity
@@dundukk9450 Everyone outside the US practicing a Christian denomination older than any of the ones vying for power within the US.
@@dundukk9450 Uh huh. That doesn't change that biblical literalism and evangelicalism are as absurd and baseless to other, far more ancient forms of Christianity as they are to non-believers in the US. And that's the cartoon bullshit they're all trying hardest to spread the furthest, including to inside every classroom in the US.
It's *meant* to be insulting. Don't you realize, being an ignorant delusional hate-filled American is still light years superior to anyone else on the planet?
I feel like this essay skipped over the impact of the George W. Bush administration. W himself often professed that his evangelical faith is what saved his life, and that resonated with his base. Once in office his administration greatly eroded the separation of church and state with the implementation of integrating faith-based institutions into the federal government. These offices still exist today in many government agencies. It’s an important chapter in understanding how we got there.
Dubya gets overlooked a whole lot these days. After 2016, it's kind of easy to see why. But in overlooking him, people are missing out on a large part of the reason that let 2016-2020 happen in the first place.
I despise Dubya and every single person in his administration. I've certainly never forgotten about any of them or the damage they did and I'm getting really tired of them all being overlooked.
@@RevShifty You remember the 'moral majority' bs too? Finally someone else remembers!
I don't think that guy knows what an "Orthodox Christian" is...
Orthodoxy also means "true word" or "fundamentalism" It's not exclusively used for christian schism
I am of the byzaine rights and nationalism is not way part of what we believe
orthodox as in orthodox beliefs. Not the Eastern Orthodox Church.
Yah, I was confused by that
3:39 its the first clause of the constitution "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
I couldn’t help but notice how old all of the people attending the freedom Sunday service were. I didn’t see a single young person in the crowd.
An additional thing to note. Separation of church and state was sent in a letter from Thomas Jefferson to a group of baptists in Virginia. The meaning of this statement in this letter acknowledges that the “state” aka the government would not interfere or intervene in the affairs of their church so long as it didn’t violate the law in some way. But this statement created a two way street, the government is not allowed to interfere with a church so long as it isn’t violating the law but the church should not interfere in the government as to not sway its decisions. This is even emphasized in the constitution where it mentions the government can’t choose a particular religion.
In retrospect, the country wasn't never founded as a "Christian Nationalist" country. Christian Nationalism is an oxymoron because Christianity is a globalist religion and practically half the world is Christian. Saying that America is founded as a Christian nation is like saying that America is Roman country because we write with the Latin alphabet. Christianity is what gotten mankind into the dark ages, the renaissance inspired the world to take the knowledge from the ancient world and progress.
That's not it at all. The United States was clearly built on Cristian values, rebelling against the king of England who was trying to force the people into one made-up religion that he made so he could legally divorce his wife who could not bear a son.
This lead to a mass immigration to the west in order to avoid religious persecution.
After the war between the colonies and England, the declaration of independence was created using the Christian religion as a fundamental framework.
When referring to said letter, it ment that the government couldn't force any law against any religion that resided in the U.S.
That doesn't mean the government itself cannot be religious. It was always Cristian.
But since the Church is basically a company, they can just lobby.
Separation of church and state was a clause in the constitution but it's there!freedom a religions! separate from church and state.
You say that, yet Thomas Jefferson himself is the one who implemented the first church in congress for all to attend on sundays. The intention was to give assurances that the state would not interfere with religious freedoms or interfere in religion, which is exactly what the King of England did as he was the "head" of the Anglican church. That is the point of the separation of church and state. In England they are intertwined and the king has the final say.
If Jesus was Palestinian today, he would possibly be dead by the bombs that were dropped by the Jewish state. Imagine that.
Jesus never lived in or traveled to Palestine because it did not exist. Neither the Bible nor the Quran mention Palestine even once.
... he was crucified by the Jews so yeh
@@joshwalshthe1 no he was curcified by the romans
@@Darkcamera45 He was sentenced to death at the request of the Jewish religious leaders
“Wanting to release Jesus, Pilate (roman) appealed to them (the Jewish crowd) again. But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify Him!” Luke 23:20-21
As a Christian I am saddened by the intertwining of religion and the state.
Behind The Bastards podcast did a great episode about how the ruling class warped Christianity from a socialist movement to a capitalist movement. Definitely recommend checking it out if you're interested. The episode is called "How the rich ate Christianity"
Oh, I need to listen to that episode. What always broke my heart most about Christianity was the wasted potential, how one of the most radical altruist speakers of his time, begging his followers to imitate his self-sacrifice and hold their property in common, was co-opted to champion such a completely opposite ideology.
When I listened to or read accounts of Jesus' speeches as a child, I was always struck by how powerfully, fanatically they encouraged listeners to consider all human beings to be just as important as themselves. And just how UPSET adults got about hearing words like that in the mouth of ANYBODY but Jesus, even in their own religious figures, really taught me some things about how our society worked and how little the rank-and-file Christians were actually listening to the lectures supposedly made by their Messiah.
Yet in Europe, most of the social welfare systems were put into place not by the Socialist parties, but by the Christian Democrats. The expansive European social welfare systems have a great debt to Christian Social Theory.
"Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would critique capital end up reinforcing it instead."
The sad truth is that many people adopt their religion from their environment to fit within the in-group. They don't actually think for themselves, just accept what they are told. They don't actually read or understand the bible, they just say they do because it sounds better. So many people who claim to be readers and followers of the bible have clearly not read it. If you've read the bible, you can see this everywhere, that so many people claim things from the bible that are untrue, claim they know so much about it yet contradict the scripture the entire time, and sow seeds of hatred. I'm not religious but I have read the bible. The moral of this story to me is that many people who just adopt the identity laid out for them end up with a phony belief system and black and white thinking, that causes more problems than good. In the act of trying to guide or force children to adopt their parents/families religion, you get a toxic societal and cultural pressure to moralize, and to push other people down in order to make yourself appear better, higher, and closer to god. At worst, you get a racist and fascist ideology that essentially wants to exterminate any non believers, deny people's rights or push them into second class citizenship.
Stop apologizing for them. There are thousands of different interpretations of the bible because the book is full of contradictions and literal nonsense. There is NO correct way to read a book of lies and myths. The bible is completely useless for anyone with a brain who can think critically using modern morals and philosophy. Religion is a disease that perpetuates stupidity and blind loyalty for slaves. All religion is pure evil. And everyone who supports religion supports this evil through lies and deception.
Their delusion of Zionism is gonna be the end of us
The Bible itself is full of inconsistencies so there cannot be any “true follower” anyways.
This is my main problem with religion as an Atheist. It’s a legend that can be bent towards teaching people yo be good or can be bent towards manipulating people into becoming evil and hateful. It all depends on what part you read and how you interpret it.
I would rather just put labels saying “this is a mythology, you can study it for its historical and cultural significance but don’t take it seriously and don’t try to obey it” on every religious book out there.
People cannot function in a society by following broken works of fiction, people need the truth. Truth can be verified, truth can be turned into truth, but lies can be turned into anything especially into other lies.
I mean, the Bible can say whatever the reader wants it to say. Between the Bible being full of contradictions and most people being hilariously uninformed about the context their favorite quotes and stories come from, it can be used to say whatever someone wants it to say. Most people just aren't ever going to know the difference.
You could read the Codex Sinaiditicus, the oldest still surviving version of the New Testament yet discovered, yourself and see how much the NT itself changed between its earliest writings and the King James version most people are familiar with. Because at every point the formation of the Bible was always every bit as much political as it was religious. If anything, these modern clowns are just carrying on the oldest Christian traditions there is; using the supposed word of god to suit their own agenda. Some interpretations are more universal and less judgemental than others, but there's certainly nothing new about this specific sideshow but the scale.
@@RevShifty
Yes. This reminded me of a story by Bart Erhman.
About christian girls at summer camp buying each other Friendship bracelets that if forget the exact quote but something like “until we meet again I shall not rest, I will not be complete”
But In the actual context it was two men fighting and the person was saying it as a threat. Lol
Thank you for your public service. An informed citizenry is vital to guarding against the slippery slope of extremism.
That's correct, now I'm waiting on his anti-left warning videos on "extremism"
Christian Nationalism was my upbringing. I was constantly indoctrinated with the message that liberals were just blurring or avoiding the truth of our founding and that they would eventually win and America would become a hell-scape and Christianity would be pushed underground (all Christianity... since America was the last bastion of Christianity in the world). I learned this at my private Christian high school, my church, the Christian radio stations I was allowed to listen to and the Christian films I was allowed to watch. As a teen, I would often wish that the "founding fathers" had just been more explicit in their documents; and that if I had a time machine I'd go back and tell them that they needed to include a clearer message of our Christian foundation in the Constitution, etc. It was much later that I finally realized that they hadn't included such language because they didn't believe it.
@@sentinelUSA05some letters tell a different story.
@@sentinelUSA05 Benjamin Franklin's letter specifically talk of the importance of separating religion from the state. So his teacher is wrong about the founding farthers wanting religion to be mixed with the state.
@@sentinelUSA05 Without the Christian foundation you have no idea how wretched humanity will become ....but I suspect you will.
Well the “liberals” you speak of growing up are doing that currently and more so in Europe, no?
@@sentinelUSA05 lmao on what basis is that true? cite your sources pls
I remember getting deep into Christian nationalism as a child and young teen until I broke free of it. What scares me is that all these elements in America are creating a fascism much more durable and much more deeply ingrained than that of what we saw with the Nazis. The only reason I got out is because I got older I started questioning more and more of what I heard, until the whole worldview I had at the time collapsed. It took me years to fully free myself of every aspect of Christian nationalism and American exceptionalism and fully reject them.
Our biggest source of hope is seeing how many of us broke out of it.
It's hard to keep up the lie when evidence to the contrary is so readily available to anyone with Internet access.
How are you this dense this to compare Nazism? It’s genuinely insulting to downplay what the actual people who suffered under Nazism went through. Not to mention I bet you’re saying this while simultaneously supporting the Nazi terrorist organization fighting against Israel right now
What gives me hope that this iteration of fascism won't be enduring in the way the Nazis were is that the Nazis gave their adherents material gains. They took homes and stores from Jews, LGBTQIA people, and the other "undesirables" and gave it to party members. They had a youth program. They threw community parties and other activities. American fascism brings nothing to its adherents but social rejection and even lost jobs.
Not sure who said this quote, but it makes sense.
"You can't talk a fascist out of fascism, but you can buy him out.'
@@Zosioand yet one of the first things they do is try and tell you that they have the solutions, and all the evidence that’s available is fake, or bs, or something along those lines. And they somehow keep up the lie and convince people of this.
Me too
"There I was - the only white guy in the Middle East..."
--Jesus giving a sermon
Imagine him wearing a white turban
so many people genuinely think this lmaoo
"Barbeque sauce on my titties..."
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😂 omg this observation 🏆
I really appreciate your videos and how well researched they are. You definitely raise the bar with your discussion.
I live in Texas and was dragged to many churches in the state and I heard that same message "America is a Christian nation and its success..." many many times. I even believed when I was younger.
Curious dis you leave Christianity? I also grew up in Texas. 9/11 was my shift, but many catalysts helped me leave Christianity. I cannot in good faith defend a religion that encourages renouncing personal accountability for your actions for worshipping a dead guy on a cross.
@@brialapoint2608. Of all the reasons for leaving Christianity I have heard, this is the best one. (I'm still Christian, by the way) The irony is conservatives yell all the time about individual responsibility, then, hide behind the Bible (and 'forgiveness') the minute they are about to be held personally accountable for anything wrong they have done. Jimmy Swaggart comes to mind here... And if you bring up the communitarian sections of the Bible, they go "la, la, la" and try to end the conversation quickly, letting you know their stances aren't out of conviction but an incessant thirst for power and to dominate and ruin other people's lives.
well that is true it was founded as an explicitly Christian nation. anti-Christian religions were explicitly not given the same religious protections as Christians. You cannot separate Christianity from the culture without destroying the culture. That said Christianity exists for sinners not perfect people. It is silly to expect humans to be good at being Christian, temptations are tempting, humans are human. Scientists don't live every moment of their life by the scientific method but we don't throw it out.
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I am a Ghanaian. My Leadership 3 course introduced me to Western/American ideologies around Economics and social matters. I find this channel helpful in understanding certain things. Thanks for doing this.
So are you studying this in Ghana or are you here in the states? If you are over here, welcome.
@@nickwarner8158 . . NO. . .he needs to stay in Ghana. The West is done with more non-whites that continue to bash and change White Western Nations. Let those non-white countries open up their borders to all colors and creeds from all around the world.
It would be better if you didn't listen to this Leftist garbage....you're only getting a biased part of the story
Adding my welcome if you live here in the States! We're not all bad, I swear.
I am not a Christian myself but I live in an area where Christianity is very influential. There are many Christians that I have met that are absolutely amazing people: kind, generous, and humble, like the Bible says to be. I’m saying this because you made a very interesting point on how Christian Nationalists are often not genuinely Christian (do not go to church regularly, read the Bible, etc.). I have met many of these people in my town as well and it is very true that they just pick and choose aspects of Christianity to support their bigotry, fully excluding the multiple passages in the Bible that contradict their statements. Many of them do not even go to church. There are exceptions, but in MY experience, true Christians are more likely to be sensible and good people in a general sense.
so effectively, you support weak christians because it helps your position as an atheist
I’m homophobic
They are generally more sensible than who? In my experience, religious people are more judgemental and say things, like "in general...".
@@Robert-do7gw@Robert-do7gw The difference between a Godless Liberal and a Christian Conservative is that Conservatives grow up judging themselves, trying to do good, failing at times, but learning to become model citizens. Liberals are told how wonderful they are and that everything wrong is because of injustices and racism. They grow to judge everything... the proof is the Liberal Communist Activists running through the streets, toppling statues and burning churches and the flag... The Left are the ones who are Narcissistic, Self-Righteous, and Nihilistic and the ones who are insanely judgemental.
There are true Christians but the Orange Jesus Christians are louder and a big part of the Repug party.
This is in many nations, not just this one.
I see this as a last-gasp power grab. Religion has literally never been less popular in the US as it is right now. And these fundies know it.
Very true. They’re trying everything to stay relevant. And it’s scary to recognize that what they’re doing is actually working. It needs to be stopped.
Doesn't matter if the church in America, Europe, or even the world disappears, Jesus wins in the end. Avoid it, run from it, or fight against it, "every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord" over everything
@@alrightyoreilly19 believe what you believe. That quote from your book does not prove your book. Religion is seemingly doing more harm than it is good right now. Just look at the war people are in right now.
@@historysyourbestfriend5500 I've heard that a dying animal fights the hardest right before it gives up, we are living through the death rattle of christianity in America so I expect it to get worse before it gets better.
@@alrightyoreilly19 lmao cope.
My faith is the most important, most core part of my life. My personal opinion is that most of these so called Christian Nationalists have completely ignored His teachings. We are supposed to embrace strangers, feed the hungry, share our bountry, lift up the poor, and love our neighbors. Neighbors does not mean only the others like us, it also means our Muslim, Atheist, or Buddhist neighbors as well. America is just a country, it can come and go. It is our own relationship to God and others that matters.
gimme all your shit then and go follow Him.
Amen!
Amen.
Still waiting on your stuff bro. I'm one of the poor give me your posessions and get to following Christ already.
So you just subscribed to the secular attack on religion. Keep it private and focus on charity, or more accurately give me your money.
“There is no crime, absolutely none, that cannot be condoned when 'our' side commits it.”
- George Orwell
Notes on nationalism.
You do know that George Orwell was a racist , rapist and a colonial cop who reported leftists and minorities to the British government to be surveilled.
Okay George Orwell was also a liar, a snitch, and a racist. And a comprador with British intelligence.
Make Orwell Fiction Again
@@Alacard0malleyyou’re all over the comments fearmongering about communism and socialism under a video about Christian nationalism. What a surprise 😂. And another comment about “Marxism” guess you hit bingo lol
@@Alacard0malley Christian nationalism is far from a "socialist concept" . What utter nonsense...
It never fails to convince me of the truth of God's existence when his most devout take his massage and twist it toward their own ends without fear of disfavor.
Why do you think that exactly?
@A.Z.S.GXZ777 The truth being he doesn't exist.
I've been reading Taking Back America for God, and I have to say you nailed this video. Christian nationalism has been a growing worry of mine for a couple years now. I've been a Christian my whole life, and it's scary to see something I love being perverted and co-opted by malicious actors aiming to grab political power.
Christian nationalists are no more christians than a dog is a cat. They are charlatans, con men, authoritarians lusting for power and the ability to dictate their views on everyone else. Similar to today's GOP party and their lust for power at any cost whatsoever.
No, no one else uses social ideologies for political power! Because who would do that? Hmmmm.. let me think..... 🤔 ..🏳🌈🏳⚧?¿
@@JohnDoe003 there is no LGBTQ agenda my guy, they are normal, everyday ppl who just wanna be treated fairly, and using fringe cases to prosecute them is extremely unfair to them. I know many lgbtq people, and all they want is to be treated fairly. Please stop spreading misinformation about normal people, and have a good day.
clearly someone hasnt payed attention to 50% of conservatives ways to gain power (aka: using Christian ideologies and bending them to invoke fear and psychological suggestion upon easily manipulated Christian Americans)@@JohnDoe003
I feel like you’re not actually a Christian lol. Christianity and politics can mix idk why you think it can’t
Saying a thing doesn’t make it true. I could say america was founded by Dutch opium traders, but that doesn’t make it- oh. Wait. Never mind.
This right here
Thank you for this, Explicitly pointing that Christian nationalism is not actually very Christian. As a practicing (and mostly failing) Christian I find Christian Nationalism abhorrent and that it actually has very little to do with the bible and pointing out that people who regularly attend church and read their bible are more likely to reject the beliefs of Christian Nationalism was great to hear.
It baffles me because we're commanded to not succumb to the world and its desires, but there's nothing more worldly and desire fulfilling than the promises made by modern evangelicals.
@@acciaacilius6875That's a ridiculous statement. Christianity as a whole in the US is full of those who profess to be Christian, yet hold views which are considered heretical. Many American "Christians" have little to no knowledge of Scripture, instead they create their own version of Christianity. This is true for both leftist and right wing Christians, which results in political and social activism masquerading as Christianity. There are still Christians such as myself that reject the idea of poisoning our faith by mixing it with petty politics and do not wish to conform to secular society. I have no interest in pushing my beliefs on others, nor do I want to live in a theocracy.
@sentinelUSA05 The obsession with Firearms for one (2nd Amendment or any of the Constitution in general). The concept of God-given rights has no scriptual bases. The closest I can thing of is God giving a specific man of faith something or the blessings and curses as set out in the Old Testament. Also, the banning of anything that you disagree with is also completely at odds with a core principle of Christianity as God gave us free will to choose to follow him (or not as the case maybe). God, Christ, and his apostles all speak at great length on this subject.
@@sentinelUSA05 Pretty much everything. I can't think of a single aspect of Christian nationalism that upholds the Gospel.
I am not a christian or american.....but it's easy to see why it's growing(and I dont see anything wrong with it).
Current structures of society be it gov,religion,social ideology have royally screwed up lives of most ppl.
So a lot of ppl are desperately trying to find an ideology to stick to. If it wont be christian nationalism...it will be something else.....there' no doubt about it....and it certainly won't be the current global left order...cos thats what most ppl are trying to escape.
Excellent video as always! Thanks!
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
*Barry Goldwater*
You know you're the bad guy when an evil bastard like Barry Goldwater sounds based when he talks about you.
@@annaphallactic very much so, though Goldwater had a number of good points which is more than can be said of a lot of current politicians, though he only really opened up there after departing the senate in general his support for the CRA was only hindered by his feeling the federal government had no place in state politics (Brown v Board of Education commentary) or hiring policy (commentary on title II and VII). And he was justifiably pissed at the CIA for Nicaragua and criticised Reagan openly for violating international law.
And even in the 90s he called out the fact the GOP had been overrun by as he said "kooks", and recommended everyone kick Jerry Falwellin the nuts in the 80s. So while he's heavily responsible for the mess we see today, he still had ethics and a moral compass seriously lacking today in politics.
I remember Pat Buchanan calling for a "Holy War" against secularism in the early nineties, probably the 1992 campaign. This stuff has been brewing for some time.
Yes because the left is all communist and anti semite. You talk democracy but other half of humanity. That's why the right is rising up, when we out our faith in you you turned around and said screw you. The left are weaklings, pathetic and sub human. You waged a war you getting a response
@@Andy-gv4ij Yeah. If you like Christo-Fascists.
@@filrabat1965 it kind of was yeah, it's part of why Goldwater said we should all kick Falwell in the nuts (IIRC it was in 1980 in fact), the man contributed to a lot of the present bullshit but he did protect abortion while in government and didn't appreciate the 'kooks' that overtook his party (irony considering his part in their gaining a seat in the first place)
@@Andy-gv4ij unless their "random whims" impacts on the life/safety of another how the hell is it any of your business?
@@filrabat1965 You do realise that it was the pro-abortion lot that forced their views on the overwhelmingly anti-abortion country in 1973 right?
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
It's weird how his history recap jumped past WW2 when Nazism was explicitly Christian.
@@talkwith_LinaCommon misconception. Hitler had a distain for the church in general because he felt it would limit his power, he just made an agreement with it because he needed to if he wanted Italy's full support. He had no plans to keep the power of the church around after the war.
Upton Sinclair.
@@Owen_loves_Butters It didn't stop him from using religion as a means of building popular support though, that's the point. Many dictators aren't religious at all, but use it as a convenient tool of manipulation and control
The people trying to arrest their political opponents are not Christian but pagans. But if you had a brain in you you would be able to see that.
Reasons why Theocracy is good:
1. It benefits me
2. It worsens your life
3. uh... I dunno
Feels good to have your whole life planned out on a book instead of using self determination and effort and education
@@Michael-cb3uw ??? You do realize this is satire right??
@@Michael-cb3uw OP was being satirical, how did that fly over your head?
This Christian nationalism in USA sounds like just another step towards full-on fascism. You see the Nazis were also strongly Christian who wanted the final solution for the Jewish question.
The nazis wanted to kill/convert all christians too. Or at least Hitler did
Nazis weren't christian bro
Fascism is always the resentful cry of the idiots and losers of society who realize that they are idiots and losers. They resent their status as lowly and instead want to rule over those that they hate. All fascism is the same, and it is no surprise that religious people find it so appealing considering they are willing to believe pure lies so long as it makes them feel better.
Weren't nazis secular? And they wanted to get rid of jews because a lot of bankers were jews and Germany happened to be in absolute debt after ww1.
Well sort of. They held a high Catholic population of about 50.6 percent. While the rest were different religions. AH however was not an atheist. As no atheist, would send troops to look for biblical artifacts nor any artifact for that matter. We tend to stay in reality quite easily.
Religion is personal to the individual and was meant to help guide you yourself. It should never be used to dictate to or control others for being or thinking differently and to be superior over them. Freedom of religion. Free to be religious (whichever you choose to follow) or no religion at all. Just be a decent person. People are so worried about appearing to be a perfect religious member of their society that they fail to notice when they take things too far. I think a lot are just going to church for approval, to socialize and gossip, and to appear to be what they want everyone to believe about them.
A lot of churches I've seen and attended function very much like middle school and high school cliques. There's lots of emotional immaturity and unempathetic behavior that runs rampant among grown adults who should, but often sadly don't know better.
You can type a whole paragraph of nonsense and these low IQs will like it up
I have to disagree. Religion is a set of ideas that you either subscribe to or you don’t. Now there may be matters on which the religion doesn’t take a view like sugar in your coffee or not but the expectation is you buy into its ideas or your’re not in the religion
I completely agree
I attended a Christian elementary school in the Midwest in the '80s. We sang soooooo many patriotic songs. And yes, alongside religious songs. And politics were discussed pretty openly in school and church -- if you weren't a Republican (at that time, that meant cheering for Bush and bashing Dukakis), you were pretty much a baby-killing monster. (My grandma was one such Democrat. I miss her.)
This is what the real indoctrination and brainwashing in this country looks like. Christians brainwash and abuse children. No exceptions.
we always used to get a bunch of american missionaries come to south africa to teach & evangelise..looking back on it now, i realise they were not trying to 'convert' people to christianity, but to american christianity with all the patriotic bells and whistles
I'm sorry but the implications of your grandma being a democrat either in the 60s or 70s is very funny
That’s the thing about Christian nationalism. In their eyes, you’re either a Trumpian or a “traitor”
"I love atheists, they do by what's right because it's right, NOT out of fear of hell!"
-God-
Funny how the founders of the country sat around and had everything mapped out, including the ability to amend the rules, yet they totally left out that the nation was "supposed to be a christian nation" by accident. Something so important to the founders, according to these book thumpers, was just overlooked. Ridiculous.
You need Jesus.
@@NewsChannel-y4gyou need to read a history book
@@littleregg3164 so do you
The context you say is lacking could be there, same as the context of the citizenry being well armed and training regularly. Clear context in their time that is no longer legible in our time due to the foam dripping from rabid radicals diving through the core of it all.
My family believes that trump was sent from god and he’s here to save us. It’s hard to have any type of political / religious conversations with them. In their minds they KNOW they’re right.
Perhaps they are. I've seen more leftists switch to conservatism than vice versa. People are waking up.
@@Wanderer-z9k That is objectively untrue, more conservatives have died from old age THIS YEAR than people have joined the conservative party since 2000
they're probably evangelicals (not real Christians)
Evangelicals worship the jews and israel, not Jesus
@@sentinelUSA05 If God can work through Trump* then why doesn't God do it? Why is God ALWAYS silent when conservatives Christians do horrible, bullying, and sometimes criminal acts in the name of God? (*What I said also applies to almost EVERY Congress person, , every president, Supreme Court justice, every governor, every preacher, and every televangelist)
Fools are fools
I would like to be respectful of others religious choices, but it’s hard when religion is so dangerous, religious people can justify literally anything simply by saying it’s gods plan and that he works in mysterious ways, it completely circumvents rational analysis which in my opinion is one of the most dangerous things a population can be subjected too.
I’m not even religious but it hurts to watch people perverse religion just to hurt people and gain power. It makes life for normal religious people to be seen as normal rather than radicals like the other crazy radical religious people
All Christians are nazis, they deserve mockery and ridicule if not outright distain.
"I don't care if you believe in a leprechaun, I care when he tells you to burn things"
The zionist are pushing for the end of the world right now!
When in your life are you forced to contend with anyone’s religious beliefs that in a way that impacts your life? Rich and powerful interests will use anything to justify their actions. God, money, culture, freedom and democracy etc have all been used to start wars. No one is using rationality to govern.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on all of us.
Amen 🙏
Amen. ✝️💜🙏🫶
I was raised Christian and honestly, I get incredibly nervous when faith and state intermix, it doesn't ever end well. No one knows gods plan, nor is God able to appoint anyone. Which is why I'm all for supporting my fellow comrades around the world, the situation in Palestine and Isreal makes me scared. There is always a solution that can come before violence, even fellow socialists, stalin included, knew this.
Stalin killed millions & enslaved millions more than even Hitler moron. Anyone who wants to attack civil society for not adhering to your f'd up world view will eventually get what's coming to you. Keep poking the people and wake up to reality in your face.
There is, but the idea that we should shame or attack violence as a response only helps oppressors . Attack violence in politics on its own merits and results, not on some broad rule .
Man ignores the based theocratic catholic governments the world once had. Stalin was a communist not a socialist he literally ordered the destruction of Germany
"nor is God able to appoint anyone."
Lol. You just promoted evil. Just say you hate America and that your an extreme left communist. Mentioning Stalin... Just lol.
Any religious system where questioning the established authority is considered to be a weakness of one's faith is inherently vulnerable to abuse by those in charge.
We've seen how badly this has led the Religious Right down dark paths.
The Irony is, No One in "The Religious Right" says You are Not Allowed to Question the Established Authority. In Fact, They say The Opposite and Promote Individualism. Its Ironically The Secular Left that Actually Imposes on You Authoritarianism and Says You aren';t Allowed to Question it.
Seriously, though, in The Real World, The Religious Right is Far Less Censorious than The Secular Left, and tends Not to Think of its Leaders as Infallible and Ordaiend by God thus Unquestionable.
Agreed
Agreed, that's why I question the leftist government at every turn! We know how many have died under their ideology! 😔
Hell the Bible even says that you should follow the laws of man as God appointed those men who made the laws. Romans 13.
I also like when Christian Nationalists say that Biden (and Obama before him) were placed in power by the devil. They are basically saying that Satan has more power than God. Talk about a crisis of faith lol.
People who came over on the mayflower were Christian. "Christian nationalism" is just a weapon that the liberal left and media such as this video are using so that they can establish and push their agenda for their liberal utopia (filled with degeneracy, feminism, idolatry, BLM, pro Hamas, Etc.). This country was founded upon Christian-Judeo values, the founding fathers and many historical figures of the U.S always quoted verses from the bible, it's why we have "In God We Trust" on the back of our currency, it's how our law and society was built and why we were able to make it through 2 World Wars. It wasn't until 5 seconds ago that liberals are trying to do everything in their power to disprove the facts and say "well no it's not a Christian country", the U.S was and always has been a Christian country.
"Separation of Church and State is nowhete in the Constitution!"
My sister in Christ -- it is literally the first line.
Freedom of faith
Doesnt equal separation of church and state
@@IndianaJonesTDH 'Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
-- Constitution of the United States of America
www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights-transcript#:~:text=Bill%20of%20Rights.%22-,Amendment%20I,for%20a%20redress%20of%20grievances.
@@IndianaJonesTDHFreedom of religion, that no one religion be dictated upon you or any religious group dictate its values upon the government. Unanimously America’s founding fathers voted to have no official religion, and they fully supported having a separation of church and state. What do you not get about that?
@@BickyNuckley thats not even what secularism is nor what Jefferson wrote about in his letter.
People of faith can influence kf state there values ect its there right. State cant meddle in church affairs thats what secularism is
Apperantly people dont understand there history
@@IndianaJonesTDH “Secularism: The separation of religion from civil affairs and the state” Not too sure what you’re not understanding, but religious folk such as yourself do like to twist words to mean what you want them to mean so I don’t blame you. But I am always willing to turn the other cheek to dishonest people such as yourself. Religion has no place in state or governmental affairs. I bet you also approve of the bill that Oklahoma representatives are trying to pass to put the Ten Commandments up in school classrooms.
What happened to separation of Church and State???
I'm from India, and I am similarly concerned about the growing threat of Hindu Nationalism in India. Our constitution states that our country is secular but the direction in which our country is headed is bothering me. (I am an ex-Hindu btw)
the word "secular" was absent in the original constitution, it was added abruptly during emergency.
Fascism is sweeping the world.
Ex- religious people are bunch of most amusing people , they still want to associate themselves with the religion they already left ex muslim, ex hindus but still have strange obsession with identifying themselves with their old religion
@@Cupcake0228 there's nothing wrong with stating something like that as context for a given comment. If anything it's useful to qualify someone's perspective (i.e. this person has sufficient experience in this/that religion to speak on it accurately).
Sanatan Dharma is different from abrahamic religions and Sanatan Dharma now has only one Country i.e India - Now India is regaining its past glory 🔥
I was raised Christian and homeschooled. On the one hand, my mom is a very intelligent woman who taught us extremely well. I got great SAT scores, was brought up to be respectful and considerate, and loved going to church. On the other hand, my dad is a horrible narcissist who used religion to try to control and harass everyone constantly, and is extremely awful to minorities. There are a lot of things I've had to unlearn, or re-learn, because I was so isolated and didn't know any better. Christianity is frequently used by horrible people as an excuse to be horrible. Then it becomes more cultish, and it's deeply disturbing. I've seen wonderful Christian communities and unsettling ones. You never really know who's an actual Christian (in practice) until you see how they treat other people.
Christianity should be a good thing but it frequently isn't. It can be corrupted just like everything else. Knowing that, I don't want any particular religion running things. I just want some sane human beings who care about the wellbeing of others.
Most people in any position of power care about only the wellbeing, of themselves. Something else few talk about- why are so many people in politics on all levels... why are so many the children of other so called public servants? Convenience? Almost looks like another system.
Im glad you know the difference between fake and real christianity a lot of atheist think were all that way.
_“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_
*- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president)
The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_
This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion.
*Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office*
_"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_*
This means nobody is ever required to swear on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a religious book, but none is required.
_“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_
*-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797*
....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything.
A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli.
*PETER CARL BORMUTH, Petitioner,* *V.* *COUNTY OF JACKSON, MICHIGAN Respondent*
This Court also released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote:
_"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". _*_The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that our government is not based on the Christian religion_*_ and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_
_“This would be the best of all possible Worlds, if there were no Religion in it”_
*-John Adams* )Letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 19 April 1817)
_"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."_
*-Thomas Jefferson* (Letter from Jefferson to John Adams, 11 April 1823)
_"The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason."_
*-Benjamin Franklin* (Poor Richard's Almanac)
_“The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion....and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”_
*― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason (1794)*
@@xjarheadjohnson that's a funny quote when you think about it.
cool fake story lol
Christ is king! 😎
As always, the best counter to people pushing for what they call christian values is to crack open the book and quote the Word they claim to represent back at them.
Every country should have a healthy doseof nationalism...if not,u become like Germany and starts inviting Muslims to Europe...
@@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448these same Christian nationalists don't believe in the Old Testament but uphold those books to the last letter
Philippians 3:20 Galatians 3:28 Revelation 7:9@@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448
@@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448 'Love thy neighbour' 'Don't worship false idols' 'render onto Caesar what is Caesar's' 'the good Samaritan' 'why would the gentiles be undeserving of God's love?'
I would say they all pretty much contradict nationalism.
Galatians 3:28
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”@@thecossackcrusaderofholybr8448
The 1st amendment is freedom of religion. No national religion.
I enjoy that you bring in actual Christians who are fighting against the nationalistic sects. I grew up Christian and part of the reason I left was the disconnect between what I knew of Jesus's teachings and the actions of the "body of Christ". There was no loving thy neighbour as oneself, and while there was a facade of caring(and tbf my family's church did good in their community as do many churches), there was no real fight to solve the problems, and the big churches with resources only publicly helped when there was benefit to them. First time I fully understood a few socialist concepts it was just "oh, that's what Jesus said". I'd left before this strange takeover that seems to infect little churches too, but it's only solidified my position that the corruption is pretty core.
What are the problems you think needed to be solved?
It's truly sad about the disconnect and facade, let alone false teachings, in many congregations these days!
However, that being said, our own salvation depends first and foremost, and only, on Jesus and how we respond to him. He and God are who we are supposed to personally focus on, imitate, and have a relationship with in--no one else matters.
In other words, while it's a truly great blessing and often answered prayer to be able to have fellow Christians and friends around us who will be there to support and guide us through the tough times in life and share in the happy times too, it's also not necessary or required in order for us to be able to have our sins washed away through baptism or maintain a relationship with Him and live a Godly life afterward.
@@jomammayomamma this is an idiotic delusion you are peddling, and it supports the idiotic delusions of the scum who will kill us all when this cancer becomes malignant.
@@jomammayomamma JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY, so you say.
And that right there is preaching exclusivism, bigotry, and ultimately dehumanizing the other, the non-Christian. Your mindset is precisely why your religion has slaughtered millions in Jesus' name and why it needs to be OUT of politics. If you want to believe that, knock yourself out. But don't go around shoving in everyone's face and insist that your way is the ONLY way.
@Hi-jw7oq oh I don't know
Homelessness and poverty. You know, the sort of things that religious people are against but refuse to do real things about. Yet, continue to cut and destroy social safety nets that help alleviate homelessness and poverty. You know, the things that religious people are supposedly against. But religious people continue to shame and blame the person rather than the structural corruption that allows homelessness and poverty to exist.
You know, the things that religious people are against. Am I making my point here?
If for some reason you don't understand, the reason why I repeated myself is because religious people also repeat themselves ad nauseam but don't anything about it. They're hypocrites.
They say one thing but do the opposite
I'm Dutch and this episode reminds me of lessons I followed about the16nth and 17nth century religious history of the Netherlands.
US, you have a long way to go.
In what respect? I’m curious as to what you mean by it reminds you of that. I’m american but I’m interested in the religious history of the Netherlands
I love this comment. Humans are so weird.
Hey it's even worse in EU states like Poland or Italy
What happened over there?
@@LordFloofTM He probably refers to the Protestant Reformation after Martin Luther and Jehan Cauvin. That led to the north of the Habsburg Netherlands breaking with the Pope, and that (with other factors) led to the Eighty-year war with Spain (Philip II, the catholic king and sovereign of Habsburg).
Basically, many groups wanted to break away from Catholicism and become protestant and eventually they made the Dutch republic.
The weirdest bit is these guys will say that the Bible should influence policy, but just the parts that they think they can use to clobber people they don’t like. Not the parts about being kind and forgiving debt and caring for one another.
I am so happy to have broken free and am now a critical thinking rational secular humanist!😊
I love this idea of "Thats not how our founding fathers intended" is so obviously maliciously coded and repeated that it relies on no one actually bothering to read the bill of rights itself or the history.
Its even fucking stated that there would be a separation of Church and state, by the fucking founders themselves. This is at best absolute ignorance and at worse willful gaslighting/rewriting of history.
it was talking about the federal government many individual states have had state religions
Separation of church and state is NOWHERE in the constitution. It says "Freedom of religion" and that's it.
If that is what you mean, then I guess government official can't speak because "Freedom of Speech" would then mean "separation of speech and state"
I think it's absurd to deify the 'founding fathers'. They were sinners like anyone else. Some did not consider their own liberty incompatible with the bondage of black men, women, and children.
They preferred violent revolution, civil war in fact, to negotiation with the British. If their grievances were econmic, then greed must have entered their hearts somewhere along rthe line.
And it's true, they were NOT all Christians. Deism was a fashionable doctrine in those days.
Some of the French revolutionaries responsible for the Reign of Terror (1792-94) were also Deists.
A Deist can act like an atheist while still sounding a bit pious.
News for you: GOD made Church and State inherently separate.
The problem is, MEN keep trying to fuse them, or else they turn the State in a 'god'
'.The 'founding fathers' avoided the first error to commit the second.
That justified their persecution and slaughter of Loyalists.
It has bee used to justify American expansionism, colonialism, and forced regime change abroad.
The separation has existed ever since the Church was born. The first Christian community, in Jwrusalem, functioned separately from the Roman State, without seeking to challenge it. It had its own social services. The people held their property in common. (Weep, Marxists, it's been done before, and without killing off the rich people.)
The Church is spiritual, eternal. The State is temoral, provisional. Church beats State in the long game!!
@@marcusonesimus3400 Who are you responding to?
Funny enough, I was hearing about this stuff long before the term Christian nationalism went mainstream. Only a few years ago, you heard it referred to as Christian Dominionism alot of the time.
I also heard it as this (From Australia). It was heavily associated with Sarah Palin and her family being of that particular streak. Whatever the label - they are rather scary in terms of political ideology dressed up as a culture that 'all good christians' aspire to - essentially a set of sophistical arguments to forcibly relate christians to conservativism or fascism where the vehicle of manipulation is nationalism.
@@sajuukthanatoskhar yup. I first heard about it when I was in the atheist activist movement as a teen
The church has always been a victim of wolves. Instead of wolves in sheeps clothing, we now have a bunch of sheep in wolves clothing
Also known as "Seven Mountains Dominionism."
@@X9523-z3v it's inherent to the faith imo
If the whole country goes authoritarian, it is hard to know what to do. My son and family have gotten EU citizenship, so have flexibility to move if things go bad. If they go, we will probably spend our golden years in exile as well. The fact that these people were born into a democracy with a robust rule of law has resulted in the prosperity that they have enjoyed. But they are willing to destroy it for some made up stories and feeling that they have been slighted. What a basis for a country! But you hear this in every word Trump says. The values of democracy and rule of law are truly pearls before swine for these people. I fear for our country, and I fear for the world.
EU is more authoritarian than America will ever be. Have fun being apart of "democracies" with similar politics that undermine citizens and having less rights
The golden age for America is long gone. America isn't a democracy
Id say you make a company or organization that protects people from their own government. Provide food, water, and shelter for low cost until you can grown big enough to have a town or city full of people and spread. It could easily start as a non profit chrity thing where "employ" everyone, they work their regular jobs while doing an hour of "work" a week for you.
America has never been really democratic. Capitalism has always kept it democratic in name alone; in reality, the bourgeoisie holds real power, and we workers never have.
@basedcomrade1595 you are definitely right. That's why man power and capital can easily bring the entire nation under new, good, just, management, under an extremely morally strong leader. Ever day that goes by I lean more and more into believing a benevolent dictator is what the nation..no..what the world needs.
As a Christian from the UK this explains a lot. Youth leaders/summer camps etc would often use materials made by Americans, and something that always struck me was how convinced they were that as a ‘real’ Christian I must be struggling under oppression and severe peer pressure to renounce my faith. In the UK! No one cares if I don’t have sex until I’m married or go to church, not even my Christian friends! But the framing of Christian life as an eternal struggle against the zeitgeist makes a lot more sense if political motivations are behind it
As a Christian, I cannot thank you enough for this video. The letters to the churches in the new testament warn of a great apostasy where false doctrine will infiltrate the church and people will fall for it in droves, but remain “Christians” in name, and it’s crushing to see it happening right now, with my own family. The irony is that I’m the one they claim is the heretic and apostate, because I apparently take the teachings of the Bible more seriously than they do, which is why I’m a socialist who doesn’t allow her son to recite the pledge of allegiance (could there be more blatant idolatry??), and an advocate for social justice. Being convinced that I’m actually following the teachings and example of Christ is little comfort as I watch the people who raised me in the faith turn their eyes from Jesus to worship at the feet of empire, taking His name in vain in the most disgusting way. It’s gotten so bad I hesitate to call myself a Christian, because the association has become so polluted; I’m leaning towards “Jesus freak” as I’ve been called a communist freak by my mother already, so it seems more fitting. 🥲
While I don't believe in God, I think that most religions teach good values.
@@dudono1744It's funny to me (well, funny in a sad way) that most religions basically say "don't be a dick" but ultra-religious people are just like "nah".
@@Owen_loves_ButtersRIGHT! 😂
Jesus' own friends of the family tried to literally throw him off a cliff for his leftist teachings.
Of the Cast of Characters in the Bible, we have to ask ourselves: whom to we look like the most? That rebel rabbi Jesus and his motley crew or those who hated them? (and it was pretty much that binary)
This is exactly what Jesus meant by "If you aren't willing to take shit from your own friends, family, coworkers, church congregation, even your own government and to the point of being ostracized by them even, then my schtick ain't for you." (slight paraphrase) History has shown this is indeed often the case.
Personally, I'm OK with being despised by fascists, false Christians (claiming Christ but willfully doing the exact opposite), supremacists and oppressors of any kind.
I'd *not* be OK with being liked by them.
@@west221b those "false christians" are more christian than you; they follow more of the bible. Your god demands slavery, mass r@pe, and genocides. Read leviticus for once, will ya? You really think the crusaders, the inquisitors of Madrid, the Jesuits didn't read your book hard enough? Lol lack of self-examination is the only reason you're christian. It must feel strange, believing a religion that the critics know more about than you do.
Though I'm an agnostic, I have great respect for men like AJ Shortley. Simply because of what they preach. Forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, charity, humility. All, from what I've read 'Christian virtues'.
I love that he mentioned mutuality too
Also, it proved there are rudimentary differences between preachers like Shortley vs preachers like Jeffress. Apparently, Jeffress is motivated by a thirst for political power, and an opulent lifestyle, but mostly political power.
Crimes against humanity are enacted today for this. How many perished in Gaza since this video been released
@@rhetoric5173 If America is Gods chosen country, news of that has not reached Israel. All of this seems just a way to justify any thing you want to do.
Tolerance and acceptance are trash. That means accepting all beliefs no matter what. That's liberal Christianity and that is crap.
"And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." - James Madison, Founding Father, 4th president, and a major contributer to the constitution.
christian nationalists seem to take the the constituaion as a holy scripture, and the founding fathers as holy saints ONLY when it suits them, and seem to always ignore the fact they specifically were very strongly against religion having any interference with the government
Major is underselling him.
Grew up homeschooling in East Texas in the 1980s...so sad to know that the culture I grew up with is such a destructive force.
Good to see brainwashing works on you very well, from the far right before and the far left now.
I'm not familiar with your culture. But syncretism is always a problem in and around the Church.
We ought to read God's Word to be fed by Him, not to impose our cultural preconceptions.
I'm not convinced that either public schooling or homeschooling will immunize a person again st deception. As the Bible says, satan is 'god of this world', 'prince of the power of the air'.
It is according to human that we lap up deception, if not from one source, then from another.
The Bible has a wonderful expression, about people 'having their ears tickled'.
A lot of one sided information here. Quite distorted indeed.
This changed a lot of my views on religion and biases that probably came with it. Thank you
100%! We are with you all the way on this. There are many on the inside calling this out and helping to expose what's going on.