Flerfs think that, if they don't propose a model, then they can't be held to make any predictions from that model. They think they're being clever. In fact, thinking this is even more stupid than thinking the earth is flat, because it is the equivalent of saying "I know nothing at all about the shape of the earth". I'll explain why. _(TLDR: the moment you claim the earth is flat a whole bunch of other stuff _*_must_*_ follow, stuff based on empirical observations that in and of itself is sufficient to completely and utterly debunk the claim that the earth is flat.)_ This is because to claim that the earth is flat literally *_is_* proposing a model for the shape of the earth: that it is flat. This model comes with a number of other intrinsic claims and features, none of which require *_any_* assumptions about a map or geometry or cosmology, but which follow from common [lace observations that have been made for millennia. If the earth is flat then we should be able to use its flatness to explain all the every day observations that everyone (including flerfs) agree on: sunrise and sunset, daylength variation with location and time of year, the seasons, the way the sun, moon and stars appear to move, both during a 24 hour period and over the course of a year, that everyone who can see the sun or moon at the same time sees the same sun or moon, so that there can only be one of each, etc. For example, if, as flerfs claim, the earth is stationary, then it must be the sun, moon and stars that are moving. Which immediately gives flat earthers a problem: where to put the sun and the moon, and where are the stars? We know from millennia of observation that, whatever they were to choose for their flat earth map, the ground point of the sun never goes further "south" than the tropic of Capricorn, and never goes further "north" than the tropic of Cancer. We know that Polaris is more or less stationary in the sky while nearby stars appear to rotate counter clockwise around it, with those further than about 23.4 degrees away from it rising in the east and setting in the west. We also know that the closer we get to a point called the Geographic North Pole (which happens to be in the Arctic), the more nearly overhead Polaris appears to be. We also know that people living further "south" than the equator can't see Polaris at all, but can see different stars that appear to rotate clockwise around an entirely different point in the sky, one that appears to be directly opposite Polaris. And if you go far enough "south" you reach Antarctica So now not only do flerfs have to say where they think the sun, moon, and stars are located relative to the flat earth, they also have to say where they would put the equator, the tropics, the Arctic (containing the North Geographic Pole) and the Antarctic. These are all necessary features of the flat earth (as are the locations, shapes and sizes of the continents, but we'll ignore most of those for now). What is the least they *_must_* say about these things as a direct consequence of the fact that they've said that the earth is flat? First, they must say they exist. Second, they have to say that the sun moves in such a way that it's ground point stays *_between_* the tropics, which means they have to be drawn on the ground in a consistent, ordered way with no crossings; and their shapes and positions have to be consistent with the extremes of daylength variation we know to exist. Third, because night exists, their sun *_cannot_* be very distant, otherwise it would illuminate all of the earth all of the time. Fourth, because the moon is never observed to pass behind the sun, the moon must also be a similar distance from the earth. Lastly (at least in this abbreviated analysis), because it is never night everywhere on earth at the same time, the sun cannot pass under or through the earth but must always remain above the flat plane. There's more, but the point is that simply saying the earth is flat is already to propose a model with a number of definite features. And what can we predict from that model and those features? Well, that light must behave in a very strange way in order to produce the variation in daylength that we know exists. That the horizon should either be at eye level (if the flat earth is infinite in extent) or at a dip angle that is everywhere less than or equal to a value that could be calculated from the known *_minimum_* size of the flat earth (large enough to accommodate the known positions of the continents). We would expect that the horizon should be as far away as the eye can see, and that tall things in the distance should never have any part of themselves obscured by any water or level land between them and the observer. We can be confident that if the sun is nearby and moving then it should change in apparent angular size over the course of a day, and that if it is always above the plane of the flat earth then there should never be any instances of the sun (or moon) setting/rising from below the horizon. Ideally, we should also be able to explain why the maps produced by seismology aren't to be trusted while those produced by CT scanners - which use essentially the same techniques to infer the internal structure of objects from measurements of the attenuation of signals passed through them - can be, and why it is proving so difficult to translate the centuries of surveying into an accurate flat map of a flat earth, given that it is provably impossible to translate a flat map into a curved one, or vice versa, without introducing cuts, creases, or distortions. So no, claiming you don't have a model is to say you have no claim at all. The moment you claim the earth is flat a whole bunch of other stuff *_must_* follow, stuff that in and of itself is sufficient to completely and utterly debunk the claim that the earth is flat, without needing a map, or having precise distances to the sun or the moon. (Indeed, the further away the sun is on a flat earth, the easier it is to debunk.)
That's the whole point. Never provide anything that can be tested or scrutunized and thus possibly falsified. Just spout as much nonsense as you posibly can and let's hope these peky know-it -alls will eventually give up and consider you a lost cause. Then you "win"!
My local cathedral is over 900 years old - down one aisle there is a glass floor panel that reveals a Roman mosaic floor six or seven feet below. It’s quite youthful compared to some other churches and cathedrals…
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@@SukiBapswent I live in Prague. I can relate to that. It nicely demonstrates how some things are perceived in different regions. For Europeans, 150 years is quite young, but 150 miles is pretty far away. For Americans is 150 years old is almost ancient, but 150 miles is just behind the corner.
American here: I was thinking the same thing.... that Brits must chuckle at how we think some things here are "old". Well, everything is relative. You have your old history and we have ours. Or, as Flerf's would say.... it's all perspective. 🙂
All these years of insisting over and over and over that "the horizon rises to eye level." And now they are suddenly making up word salad to "explain" why the horizon does actually drop as you increase in altitude? It would be funnier if it wasn't so pathetic.
@@jackson_68- exactly, they are looking down at the horizon and don't realize it. Whereas "eye level" has an actual meaning outside of flearfdom, which is the horizontal view tangent to the gravitational vector
It's such an easy thing to test though - get a piece of straight pipe, level it, look through the pipe. Does the horizon cross the middle of the pipe you are looking through? I'm sure I have seen even flat earthers try this.
This is funny and also kind of true. Your attention and thus your gaze will be drawn to a fixation point, and the horizon is a big fixation point (OK, a fixation line).
@@Grim_BeardYup, there are interesting things going on in our brain on the subconscious level. Most any of it was an evolutionary advantage or is at least a side effect of some sort.
@@dougaltolan3017 Martini's pair well with Word Salad. Drink enough and your thought process starts to become more like a flat earther's... completely impaired and incoherent.
My bro and his English wife attend church at St. Margaret's in Horsmonen in Kent. The current church began construction in 1328! and was known as the NEW church. It replaced a much older one!
@@Soundbrigade😂😂😂 Wow, that's a fail! I would love to help you out a bit. This is much easier to remember and with those numbers even a flerf should be able to work. Pressure at sea level approx 1 bar. Pressure of water column of 10 m is approx 1 additional bar. Pressure outside our atmosphere is approx 0 bar. See? Much easier.
The last half of this video was streamed live from the Arctic... where it's currently night time for a few months... unlike the Antarctic, where it's currently daytime 🤣
Sunsets being possible on Flatopia are trivially easy to model and test, thus: Flat earth can be no more than 24,000 miles across, so let’s be super generous and place the sun at one edge, and the observer directly opposite on the other edge. Now, flat earthers claim that the sun is between 3,000 and 4,000 miles high, so, again, being generous, place an object 3ft high, then simply observe it over a FLAT surface from 24ft away to see if it “sets”. Easy; yet every flerf will kick and scream and pretend it's not happening.
I see a problem with your argument; flerfs have never stated the diameter of the earth or the altitude of the sun/moon. Some have suggested that the earth may be an infinite plane that radiates in all directions, and others have claimed that it will never be possible to calculate/determine/measure these things at all.
@@kernicterus1233 "flerfs have never stated the diameter of the earth or the altitude of the sun/moon" Of course they have. FE Dave literally makes his living by selling his positive claims that the earth is the Gleason's clock, and the sun is 3,000 to 4,000 miles high. I'm not here to strawman his claims.
@@kernicterus1233 "and others have claimed that it will never be possible to calculate/determine/measure these things at all" And yet I've literally just provided a way to do this with simple scale modeling that an infant can understand, so that's awkward for them.
@@kernicterus1233the fact is however that when the sun is setting for you it’s demonstrably directly above a location in the ballpark of 6000 miles away, so giving 24,000 is definitely generous. Maybe they want to claim it’s only 100 mile in elevation - ok, then place that object 1.2 inches above the surface and try and make it set from 24ft away. It won’t, because that’s not how perspective works.
It is actually easy to calculate the height a circling sun over a flat earth must be to conform with basic observation. You just take the distance the FE sun must travel in one hour at any time of the year, and use that as the baseline of an isosceles triangle. Using the 15 degrees the sun travels in that hour as the apex angle. From that, you can calculate the length of a line that cuts the triangle vertically into two halves. The interesting result shows not only does the FE sun move in and out from the North Pole, it must also be constantly changing speed, height, and size.
I got really burned out on the FE and YEC channels, but I still always click toons new one. Really like the channel man, sent some on go fund me; you’re going with unhinged people, are yall bringing protection?
To be fair, I don't know that many people living in houses that old. So even in european standards a house over 100 years of age, can be considered old. Of course there are houses way older in Europe, but that doesn't remove anything of that age.
That last five minutes is pivotal. Some of their best evidence ever. Also, I like my word salad with Nitwit's Own brand Aetherically Displaced dressing. Anybody else?
I can hear the flerfs already: "Come on, WE already told you why we say the earth is flat. We ain't doing all YOUR work, nah ah, it's time YOU do your own research. "
You likely lost a ton of Flat-Earthers when you said that the light bending down would make the horizon look higher. A large percentage of them don't have enough spatial awareness it to be able to grasp that.
This is easy, I don’t care what either side says. I want a globe or flat map, then a model to run predictions on. The heliocentric globe model gives me the where and the when down to the second and the meter. The flerfs don’t have a map or a model. With neither a map nor a model, no experiments can be ran. If no experiments can be ran, it’s not falsifiable. If it’s not falsifiable, it’s not science. Why should I believe in something that not only cannot be confirmed to exist, but can be objectively demonstrated to not exist???
@tubruton The majority of Christians realize that the Earth is a globe. They realize that the Bible is largely allegorical, or, you know, *_parables._*
@@John_Smith_60largely allegorical? Doesn’t that imply that the majority of Christians believe that part of the Bible is not allegorical, or, you know, not parables? That’s not a good defense for Christian logic.
@@BenJZehner they've created their identities now around the earth being flat and the flat earth community. It might be too difficult for them to accept that they are wrong.
Here's the number one problem with expecting a Flerf to make their case with working models of their predictions: the Earth isn't flat. Everything they have to say depends on that starting point. They don't have enough education to even create a hypothetical model of a functioning flat Earth. They brush off explanations of rather vital elements in the equation like the sun and moon interaction with Earth by saying "Well... No one really knows what they are". Some think they're transparent, others think holograms, some even think they're floating spotlights.
Starting to think I should have done a GoFundMe to go to Antarctica with Toon. I mean, I'm just a nobody and I don't even have a RUclips channel, but maybe I could have have led everybody in a chorus of "Kumbaya". Maybe? Maybe? When the sun circles gracefully overhead, there is sure to be a need of some recuperative music for some members of the experiment, am I right?
Streets in the U.S. are curved: they are higher in the middle (equator?) and lower on the edges, so that water "seeks its level" to the curbs, where the storm drains are.
Seriously, at this point in time Flerfers ought to be focusing on what they're good at. Making goalpost moving excuses as to why they're right come the inevitable results of the excursion to Antarctica. That's all they ever have - excuses and dodges.
They already are. They are dumping the Gleason map, the only flat Earth model that most of them could agree on, because a 24-hour sun in the Antarctic can't work on it ( _i.e.:_ the reason for the "Final Experiment").
@@ConspiracyToonz St Giles' Church is the parish church of Skelton, a village in the rural northern part of the City of York. The church lies at the northern end of the village green. Records show that it was completed in or just before 1247, and the entire church is in the style of that period. The Victoria County History of the North Riding of Yorkshire states that "as an example of early 13th century work it is unequalled by any other parish church in the county". Local tradition maintains that the church was built with the stones that remained after the building of the south transept of York Minster, in 1227. Historic England states that the church was probably constructed by the same masons as that transept. The church is thus sometimes called "Little St Peter's". The following extract from Archbishop Grey's roll shows that its building took place previous to the year 1247: "Confirmation of a donation to the chapel of Skelton. To all, etc. The donation which our beloved son in Christ, Master E. Hagitur, treasurer of York, made to John de l'Edes, clerk of the chapel of Skelton, considering it to be agreeable and satisfactory to us, we confirm the same by our Pontifical authority, desiring the said treasurer, and his successors, to pay annually the sum of 20d. to this parson. In witness whereof, &c., &c. Dated at Thorp, on the 6th day of the Ides of December, A.D. 1247."
@Loki- Well the founding of a country has not much bearing on oldness of buildings, while the country I live in is even younger (either 1815, 1830 or 1839 are possible dates), the city i live in gained city rights in 1232 (no idea how old the oldest building is nor what building is oldest).
Haha I love how you quote dates on your "old buildings"! 😂😂 I live in a small town called Bolton, in the North West of England (Dave McKeegan territory!) Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia: "Ye Olde Man & Scythe is a public house on Churchgate in Bolton, England. The earliest recorded mention of its name is in a charter from 1251, making it one of the ten oldest public houses in Britain and the oldest in Bolton. In 1651 the Earl of Derby was executed outside the Man & Scythe - owned at the time by his family - for his part in the Bolton Massacre."
"But but but... Coffee cups... And firmaments...and Ether... And 1000 miles per hour... and... And... Oh fine. The damn earth is a globe. I've known it all along."
There is an interesting expedition that will be starting there Antarctic leg on the 15th. It's called transglobal car expedition. their goal it's to drive around the world north to south. they started in New York and went north. it would be interesting to compare there observations to yours.
The Busted Nut Bar...do you get many bar fights? We had a fight in our Hastings ..... ''The town gives its name to the Battle of Hastings, which took place 8 mi (13 km) to the north-west at Senlac Hill in 1066.''
All great talking points and all but we need to talk about one thing here... There is a bar in Hastings called Busted Nut Bar & Grille?? Bahahaha, what a name! @3:40
This is like Halloween, Christmas, and Easter all rolled into one. Even the flerps are predicting that the sun will be visible for 24 hours, and pass to the south.
I love how Americans refer to building built in the early 1900s late 1800s old. On my way to work I drive past a pub that was built in the 1600s. Not having a dig, I just find it amusing.
They don't care whether we believe them or not. Flatopian Fraud is a cult. Cults make no effort to prove their beliefs. All their energy is expended keeping honest, sane, moral, thinking people out and keeping their victims in by intimidation. They are a command and control totalitarian "society" not an information bureau.
So, what happened to the old flerf argument that the horizon always rises to eye level? Enough of them start observing a dip in the horizon while using a theodolite or theodolite app, or something?
@@randyo.6138 That's why I try to say "horizontal" instead. Doesn't make any difference to the Flerfs though. They're like phone support staff from the Philippines required to check their brains at the door and read all responses from their piece of paper. We can only convince normal, sane, moral, prudent and honest people science is where the truth lies. And we can give hem the ammunition to use next time they encounter Flatopian Flatulence. That's it. Whether we use "eye level," "level" or "horizontal" means little. The Flatties will feign ignorance anyway.
I have an idea for a simple experiment you can do: have @FTFE or someone record the position of the Sun at the same time you will be seeing it in Antarctica and compare how those positions align on a flat earth and a rotating globe.
@@tysondog843 someone in Australia would be ideal. Sun rise at that time of year is in the South East (already a problem for flat earth) but if Toon can see it at the same time (even assuming directions do align) then he would be looking over nearly the entire diameter of the world, killing fe sunrise/sunset explanation stone dead.
@@ClarenceOdbodyAS2 Yep. I was going to record the direction of Sunrise while they were at TFE anyway. If he, or anyone else wants to collect and plot the data, I'll be happy to send it to them.
What old buildings? :Þ I've a 13th Century inn and some Roman ruins here. Want to come and visit them? They're not the oldest thing around here, but describing the older stuff might give away where I am.
This reminds me of when I would by CDs and the last track had like 5 minutes of silence and then there would be a bonus song... except... no bonus song :/
Word salads use up more calories on the tedious chewing than the calorific value of the tasteless ingredients. Totally deficient in minerals and vitamins, they are best thrown straight on the compost heap of rotten rhetoric.
We could do with an actual definition of "horizon". Mostly we talk about the horizen when looking out to sea. It's obvious what we're talking about, and much of the disagreement is based on the distinction between flat and level. But what if there are mountains in the distance? Any calculations involving the horizen will depend on the mountains' distance and height. On a globe you know you can find places where a line of sight includes nothing but sea and sky. On a flat earth every line of sight includes the Antarctic wall. On an infinite plane there's bound to be a mountain in every direction, some of them higher than the wall.
Not yet. But down the street there is The Quarry Taproom with an "Indoor Throwing Range". Good Burgers. The Throwing range has a bunch of targets and you can buy a bucket-o-rocks to throw at the targets.
And they are, as we speak, hashing this over on Geo's server! Witsit & Co. hypothesizing all of the potential (appeal to potentialities?) reasons for why the horizon, as Witsit likes to claim, rises TOWARDS eye level, as if that's some kind of logical "get out of jail free" card. Seriously though, it's actually more fun to listen to the flerfs play conjecture toss up among themselves than to listen to anyone play debate games with them.
Is the 5 minutes of darkness there to represent the total and utter lack of flerf predictions?
Midroll ads?
I guess it's one way to try and get those metrics up
@@eventhorizon853 Assuming people will let it play through that.
@@fostena would've been my first guess too, but since I don't know whether or not channels are monetized, it's hard to tell.
I think it is to compensate for the lack of dark time that there will have in Antarctica 😂
Word salad needs a container.
That’s the firmament duh
Yes! Otherwise your salad will get sucked off by a vacuum.
So does spectroscopy
Tupperware to keep it fresh.
RUclips is a container, but it is very leaky.
It’s crazy how they won’t propose a MODEL we can independently test. It’s like a religion we’re just supposed to take on faith.
exactly what it is
They don't understand basic science which oddly enough somehow makes them experts.
Flerfs think that, if they don't propose a model, then they can't be held to make any predictions from that model. They think they're being clever.
In fact, thinking this is even more stupid than thinking the earth is flat, because it is the equivalent of saying "I know nothing at all about the shape of the earth". I'll explain why.
_(TLDR: the moment you claim the earth is flat a whole bunch of other stuff _*_must_*_ follow, stuff based on empirical observations that in and of itself is sufficient to completely and utterly debunk the claim that the earth is flat.)_
This is because to claim that the earth is flat literally *_is_* proposing a model for the shape of the earth: that it is flat. This model comes with a number of other intrinsic claims and features, none of which require *_any_* assumptions about a map or geometry or cosmology, but which follow from common [lace observations that have been made for millennia.
If the earth is flat then we should be able to use its flatness to explain all the every day observations that everyone (including flerfs) agree on: sunrise and sunset, daylength variation with location and time of year, the seasons, the way the sun, moon and stars appear to move, both during a 24 hour period and over the course of a year, that everyone who can see the sun or moon at the same time sees the same sun or moon, so that there can only be one of each, etc.
For example, if, as flerfs claim, the earth is stationary, then it must be the sun, moon and stars that are moving. Which immediately gives flat earthers a problem: where to put the sun and the moon, and where are the stars?
We know from millennia of observation that, whatever they were to choose for their flat earth map, the ground point of the sun never goes further "south" than the tropic of Capricorn, and never goes further "north" than the tropic of Cancer.
We know that Polaris is more or less stationary in the sky while nearby stars appear to rotate counter clockwise around it, with those further than about 23.4 degrees away from it rising in the east and setting in the west. We also know that the closer we get to a point called the Geographic North Pole (which happens to be in the Arctic), the more nearly overhead Polaris appears to be.
We also know that people living further "south" than the equator can't see Polaris at all, but can see different stars that appear to rotate clockwise around an entirely different point in the sky, one that appears to be directly opposite Polaris. And if you go far enough "south" you reach Antarctica
So now not only do flerfs have to say where they think the sun, moon, and stars are located relative to the flat earth, they also have to say where they would put the equator, the tropics, the Arctic (containing the North Geographic Pole) and the Antarctic. These are all necessary features of the flat earth (as are the locations, shapes and sizes of the continents, but we'll ignore most of those for now).
What is the least they *_must_* say about these things as a direct consequence of the fact that they've said that the earth is flat?
First, they must say they exist. Second, they have to say that the sun moves in such a way that it's ground point stays *_between_* the tropics, which means they have to be drawn on the ground in a consistent, ordered way with no crossings; and their shapes and positions have to be consistent with the extremes of daylength variation we know to exist. Third, because night exists, their sun *_cannot_* be very distant, otherwise it would illuminate all of the earth all of the time. Fourth, because the moon is never observed to pass behind the sun, the moon must also be a similar distance from the earth. Lastly (at least in this abbreviated analysis), because it is never night everywhere on earth at the same time, the sun cannot pass under or through the earth but must always remain above the flat plane.
There's more, but the point is that simply saying the earth is flat is already to propose a model with a number of definite features.
And what can we predict from that model and those features? Well, that light must behave in a very strange way in order to produce the variation in daylength that we know exists. That the horizon should either be at eye level (if the flat earth is infinite in extent) or at a dip angle that is everywhere less than or equal to a value that could be calculated from the known *_minimum_* size of the flat earth (large enough to accommodate the known positions of the continents). We would expect that the horizon should be as far away as the eye can see, and that tall things in the distance should never have any part of themselves obscured by any water or level land between them and the observer. We can be confident that if the sun is nearby and moving then it should change in apparent angular size over the course of a day, and that if it is always above the plane of the flat earth then there should never be any instances of the sun (or moon) setting/rising from below the horizon.
Ideally, we should also be able to explain why the maps produced by seismology aren't to be trusted while those produced by CT scanners - which use essentially the same techniques to infer the internal structure of objects from measurements of the attenuation of signals passed through them - can be, and why it is proving so difficult to translate the centuries of surveying into an accurate flat map of a flat earth, given that it is provably impossible to translate a flat map into a curved one, or vice versa, without introducing cuts, creases, or distortions.
So no, claiming you don't have a model is to say you have no claim at all. The moment you claim the earth is flat a whole bunch of other stuff *_must_* follow, stuff that in and of itself is sufficient to completely and utterly debunk the claim that the earth is flat, without needing a map, or having precise distances to the sun or the moon. (Indeed, the further away the sun is on a flat earth, the easier it is to debunk.)
That's the whole point. Never provide anything that can be tested or scrutunized and thus possibly falsified. Just spout as much nonsense as you posibly can and let's hope these peky know-it -alls will eventually give up and consider you a lost cause. Then you "win"!
Flerfs NEED to keep flat earth unfalsifiable, AKA, firmly within the realms of pseudoscience.
Your UK audience smiling as you describe them buildings as "old" 😂
Especially the ones that live in Hastings in the UK. The year 1066 sounds familiar 😁
My local cathedral is over 900 years old - down one aisle there is a glass floor panel that reveals a Roman mosaic floor six or seven feet below. It’s quite youthful compared to some other churches and cathedrals…
@@SukiBapswent I live in Prague. I can relate to that.
It nicely demonstrates how some things are perceived in different regions. For Europeans, 150 years is quite young, but 150 miles is pretty far away. For Americans is 150 years old is almost ancient, but 150 miles is just behind the corner.
American here: I was thinking the same thing.... that Brits must chuckle at how we think some things here are "old". Well, everything is relative. You have your old history and we have ours. Or, as Flerf's would say.... it's all perspective. 🙂
In the town where I went to school was a castle from about 950 years. To me ir is just another castle.
All these years of insisting over and over and over that "the horizon rises to eye level." And now they are suddenly making up word salad to "explain" why the horizon does actually drop as you increase in altitude? It would be funnier if it wasn't so pathetic.
It's their total lack of self awareness that tickles me.
To me "rises to eye level" means "that is where your eyes are looking".
@@jackson_68- exactly, they are looking down at the horizon and don't realize it. Whereas "eye level" has an actual meaning outside of flearfdom, which is the horizontal view tangent to the gravitational vector
@@jackson_68 That's not what "eye level" means.
It's such an easy thing to test though - get a piece of straight pipe, level it, look through the pipe. Does the horizon cross the middle of the pipe you are looking through? I'm sure I have seen even flat earthers try this.
Word salad always rises to eye level.
Rimshot!
Word salad waters the eye.
Ear level??
@ The Platters had a great hit with that song …. Or was it the Flatters 🤔
Definitely needs a container too!
Everyone knows eye level always drops to the horizon.
This is funny and also kind of true. Your attention and thus your gaze will be drawn to a fixation point, and the horizon is a big fixation point (OK, a fixation line).
Indeed.
Only after I had too much to drink.
@@Grim_BeardYup, there are interesting things going on in our brain on the subconscious level. Most any of it was an evolutionary advantage or is at least a side effect of some sort.
@@mittelwelle_531_khz I'd say pre-conscious rather than subconscious (to avoid implying anything Freudian), but yes.
Word salad requires word vinaigrette, otherwise it's just bullshit.
The Vinegarette is the tears of Flat Earthers
I bet you think the olive in your martini counts as one of your 5 a day,
@@dougaltolan3017 Martini's pair well with Word Salad. Drink enough and your thought process starts to become more like a flat earther's... completely impaired and incoherent.
Word salad can be brought back to view with a p9000000, even in total darkness!
They hate predictions almost like they know they are wrong and that all reasonable predictions will show it.
Dust Collectors Antiques...i like that shop name. 😁
I like these outdoor videos. 👍
So we all gonna ignore "The Busted Nut" bar like we didn't see walk past that???
I'm not, Dust collector antiques also made me laugh
My bro and his English wife attend church at St. Margaret's in Horsmonen in Kent. The current church began construction in 1328! and was known as the NEW church. It replaced a much older one!
One day, they'll eat their word salad, so that they can finally grow up.
I wonder if the flerfs that are going on this trip will be paying attention to sunrise and sunset times as they go farther south.
I will.
Do you really think any of them knows how to pay attention? They will probably ask how much it cost lol
They are never going to give you the “correct” numbers for anything flat earth related 😂
The number is 0
Wrong! How about the vacuum of space being MINUS 10^17 Torr ….
Because there are none?
@@Soundbrigade Nope... try again. (Hint: a negative _exponent_ doesn't mean a negative result)
@@Soundbrigade😂😂😂
Wow, that's a fail!
I would love to help you out a bit. This is much easier to remember and with those numbers even a flerf should be able to work.
Pressure at sea level approx 1 bar.
Pressure of water column of 10 m is approx 1 additional bar.
Pressure outside our atmosphere is approx 0 bar.
See? Much easier.
The last half of this video was streamed live from the Arctic... where it's currently night time for a few months... unlike the Antarctic, where it's currently daytime 🤣
Or was he looking for a black cat with the lights out in a coal mine with his sunglasses on and his eyes closed. Only saying
Sunsets being possible on Flatopia are trivially easy to model and test, thus:
Flat earth can be no more than 24,000 miles across, so let’s be super generous and place the sun at one edge, and the observer directly opposite on the other edge. Now, flat earthers claim that the sun is between 3,000 and 4,000 miles high, so, again, being generous, place an object 3ft high, then simply observe it over a FLAT surface from 24ft away to see if it “sets”.
Easy; yet every flerf will kick and scream and pretend it's not happening.
I see a problem with your argument; flerfs have never stated the diameter of the earth or the altitude of the sun/moon. Some have suggested that the earth may be an infinite plane that radiates in all directions, and others have claimed that it will never be possible to calculate/determine/measure these things at all.
@@kernicterus1233 "flerfs have never stated the diameter of the earth or the altitude of the sun/moon"
Of course they have. FE Dave literally makes his living by selling his positive claims that the earth is the Gleason's clock, and the sun is 3,000 to 4,000 miles high. I'm not here to strawman his claims.
@@kernicterus1233 "and others have claimed that it will never be possible to calculate/determine/measure these things at all"
And yet I've literally just provided a way to do this with simple scale modeling that an infant can understand, so that's awkward for them.
@@kernicterus1233the fact is however that when the sun is setting for you it’s demonstrably directly above a location in the ballpark of 6000 miles away, so giving 24,000 is definitely generous. Maybe they want to claim it’s only 100 mile in elevation - ok, then place that object 1.2 inches above the surface and try and make it set from 24ft away. It won’t, because that’s not how perspective works.
It is actually easy to calculate the height a circling sun over a flat earth must be to conform with basic observation. You just take the distance the FE sun must travel in one hour at any time of the year, and use that as the baseline of an isosceles triangle. Using the 15 degrees the sun travels in that hour as the apex angle.
From that, you can calculate the length of a line that cuts the triangle vertically into two halves.
The interesting result shows not only does the FE sun move in and out from the North Pole, it must also be constantly changing speed, height, and size.
Word salad always rises to ear level. Sad but true.
Old Hastings? Try 1066 😄
Americans think 100 years is a long time, Brits think 100 miles is a long way
Those buildings are virtually new,
I got really burned out on the FE and YEC channels, but I still always click toons new one. Really like the channel man, sent some on go fund me; you’re going with unhinged people, are yall bringing protection?
Earplugs will do the trick against the tin foil hats.
The absolute desperation of flerfs is delicious to watch!
The last 5 minutes of this video had me on the edge of my seat
It was the underside of the flat earth 😊
I wish all future debaters of witsit would show up with a bottle of ranch just so we can see how triggered he would get lol
What I do not predict cannot come back to prove me wrong.
This is going to get very interesting very quickly.
💙 from Prescott WI 🥶 Wishing you a safe travels!!!
"... these old buildings... 1901, 1899..." It's that old saying: Americans think 100 years is old, Europeans think 100 miles is far.
I remember visiting a 1200 year old castle in France that descendants of the original family still lived in.
We laugh at that saying sometimes, but it's true. And that's why we chuckle at it. Often reality is funnier than fiction.
😂
(Not me)
@@David_Lee379 That's mind boggling. I only visited the 1900 year old Pantheon in Rome, but no one was living in that building.
To be fair, I don't know that many people living in houses that old. So even in european standards a house over 100 years of age, can be considered old. Of course there are houses way older in Europe, but that doesn't remove anything of that age.
Flerf predictions: red crayon will taste better than blue... or it won't... I don't know. I don't want to test it either.
That's because they prefer to eat violet crayons, which is a blending of red and blue.
No need to "test" it, i can tell you with some certainty that they taste exactly the same😌
@@LucasBuck-n2iTopSecret maybe, but you should never underestimate the power of "nuh-uh".
You made more sense in that latter half than any flerf argument!
That last five minutes is pivotal. Some of their best evidence ever.
Also, I like my word salad with Nitwit's Own brand Aetherically Displaced dressing. Anybody else?
I can hear the flerfs already: "Come on, WE already told you why we say the earth is flat. We ain't doing all YOUR work, nah ah, it's time YOU do your own research. "
But when we do they just ignore it or make up new physics
Wow. The 5 min flerf evidence is overwhelming. I cannot keep up.
"Jordan Peterson Speak" = "Word Salad with Mayonnaise"
*Extremely shrill word salad with mayonnaise.
Word salad with grey poupon.
You did forget the lobster
The flerfs can just close their eyes and claim they didn't see the 24 hour sun.
I presume they’re going to have to sleep some time in the 24 hours. They’ll claim shenanigans went on while they slept. Count on it.
You likely lost a ton of Flat-Earthers when you said that the light bending down would make the horizon look higher. A large percentage of them don't have enough spatial awareness it to be able to grasp that.
I love that all you need to debunk flerf is math.
Or even 👀 and a 🧠
Old buildings? Our local church is about 900 years old!
The oldness in America tops up at around 400...they're also lagging in the metrics... 🧐🤣
You're in a different reference frame😊.
This is easy, I don’t care what either side says. I want a globe or flat map, then a model to run predictions on. The heliocentric globe model gives me the where and the when down to the second and the meter. The flerfs don’t have a map or a model. With neither a map nor a model, no experiments can be ran. If no experiments can be ran, it’s not falsifiable. If it’s not falsifiable, it’s not science.
Why should I believe in something that not only cannot be confirmed to exist, but can be objectively demonstrated to not exist???
Because they have a book written during the iron age that simply cannot be questioned?
@tubruton The majority of Christians realize that the Earth is a globe. They realize that the Bible is largely allegorical, or, you know, *_parables._*
@@John_Smith_60largely allegorical? Doesn’t that imply that the majority of Christians believe that part of the Bible is not allegorical, or, you know, not parables? That’s not a good defense for Christian logic.
Still doubtful any of them will go.
Did any of them still say they are going recently?
I still wouldn't be surprised if Jeran and witsit pull out at the last minute.
@an.d.m.a same sadly. Even if I know I would get proven wrong, I would still go cause when is the next time you get that offer?!
@@BenJZehner they've created their identities now around the earth being flat and the flat earth community. It might be too difficult for them to accept that they are wrong.
Safe travels. I know the weather down there is crazy
Is the Earth a Flying spaceship
Will Mc Flatty be producing a sister series - "Flerfing on ice"?
Maybe McFlatty is the surprise Flerf on the trip! lol😂
"These old downtowns are so cool"
Me as a German, regularly walking or driving by houses older than the USA: 🙄
😄
Tourist at Oxford University: "Are any of these buildings pre-war?"
Tour guide, in best posh voice: "Madame, these buildings are pre-America."
Here's the number one problem with expecting a Flerf to make their case with working models of their predictions: the Earth isn't flat. Everything they have to say depends on that starting point. They don't have enough education to even create a hypothetical model of a functioning flat Earth. They brush off explanations of rather vital elements in the equation like the sun and moon interaction with Earth by saying "Well... No one really knows what they are". Some think they're transparent, others think holograms, some even think they're floating spotlights.
Starting to think I should have done a GoFundMe to go to Antarctica with Toon. I mean, I'm just a nobody and I don't even have a RUclips channel, but maybe I could have have led everybody in a chorus of "Kumbaya".
Maybe?
Maybe?
When the sun circles gracefully overhead, there is sure to be a need of some recuperative music for some members of the experiment, am I right?
I love how flat that street is.
Streets in the U.S. are curved: they are higher in the middle (equator?) and lower on the edges, so that water "seeks its level" to the curbs, where the storm drains are.
here's the middle ground: the earth is a doubled reverse dome
Truck behind you didn't come to a complete stop at the sign. Cue Sherrif John Candy and Judge Dan Ackrod.
Is he on a movie set? Where is everyone???
Seriously, at this point in time Flerfers ought to be focusing on what they're good at.
Making goalpost moving excuses as to why they're right come the inevitable results of the excursion to Antarctica.
That's all they ever have - excuses and dodges.
They already are. They are dumping the Gleason map, the only flat Earth model that most of them could agree on, because a 24-hour sun in the Antarctic can't work on it ( _i.e.:_ the reason for the "Final Experiment").
Someone forgot to set the out point before exporting.
I should fire my editor and hire a new one. The current one is rubbish.
I'd like to know what calculation Flat Earthers use to calculate the dip to the horizon, with a change in elevation.
Math is fake, according o the Flatopian Filosophy. It is a tool of the illiterati to control the masses. /s
Me too.
Good vid - looking forward to FOI. But you made me lol when you said 'old' - 1899. (UK) 🤣
Love the nihilistic style of the second half of your video.
Excellent camera work and editing skils. You almost got that black cat there. lol
Murican: i love these old down towns.
Old is 150 years?
Well, my house is older. 1880’s, but I don’t say it in front of the other buildings. They get jealous.
Old is a relative term.
@@ConspiracyToonz St Giles' Church is the parish church of Skelton, a village in the rural northern part of the City of York.
The church lies at the northern end of the village green. Records show that it was completed in or just before 1247, and the entire church is in the style of that period. The Victoria County History of the North Riding of Yorkshire states that "as an example of early 13th century work it is unequalled by any other parish church in the county".
Local tradition maintains that the church was built with the stones that remained after the building of the south transept of York Minster, in 1227. Historic England states that the church was probably constructed by the same masons as that transept. The church is thus sometimes called "Little St Peter's". The following extract from Archbishop Grey's roll shows that its building took place previous to the year 1247:
"Confirmation of a donation to the chapel of Skelton. To all, etc. The donation which our beloved son in Christ, Master E. Hagitur, treasurer of York, made to John de l'Edes, clerk of the chapel of Skelton, considering it to be agreeable and satisfactory to us, we confirm the same by our Pontifical authority, desiring the said treasurer, and his successors, to pay annually the sum of 20d. to this parson. In witness whereof, &c., &c. Dated at Thorp, on the 6th day of the Ides of December, A.D. 1247."
Yes. It's old for the USA being founded in 1776 and all.
@Loki- Well the founding of a country has not much bearing on oldness of buildings, while the country I live in is even younger (either 1815, 1830 or 1839 are possible dates), the city i live in gained city rights in 1232 (no idea how old the oldest building is nor what building is oldest).
Haha I love how you quote dates on your "old buildings"! 😂😂 I live in a small town called Bolton, in the North West of England (Dave McKeegan territory!)
Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia:
"Ye Olde Man & Scythe is a public house on Churchgate in Bolton, England. The earliest recorded mention of its name is in a charter from 1251, making it one of the ten oldest public houses in Britain and the oldest in Bolton.
In 1651 the Earl of Derby was executed outside the Man & Scythe - owned at the time by his family - for his part in the Bolton Massacre."
I once had a beer at The Ostrich which dates to 1106.
@@finesse49 That's a bit beyond expiration date. Wouldn't want to drink that
Our village church is 12th century, And the Roman Fort and temple fifth century.
That's what happens to you when you sell defective beer.
@@finesse49 The beer probably tasted like it dated from then too.
Jeran basically proved that light either curves upward, or the ground curves downward over large distances. I wonder which one it is?
"But but but... Coffee cups... And firmaments...and Ether... And 1000 miles per hour... and... And...
Oh fine. The damn earth is a globe. I've known it all along."
11 days...this is getting exciting😀
There is an interesting expedition that will be starting there Antarctic leg on the 15th. It's called transglobal car expedition. their goal it's to drive around the world north to south. they started in New York and went north. it would be interesting to compare there observations to yours.
So excited!
The Busted Nut Bar...do you get many bar fights? We had a fight in our Hastings ..... ''The town gives its name to the Battle of Hastings, which took place 8 mi (13 km) to the north-west at Senlac Hill in 1066.''
As I remember it from history class, that was one helluva bar fight.
Some of them got blind drunk!...
Now my prediction about this.... I think they will be silent for only a few days, after that we get the same old bullcrap as if nothing happened. 😮😢
All great talking points and all but we need to talk about one thing here...
There is a bar in Hastings called Busted Nut Bar & Grille?? Bahahaha, what a name! @3:40
This is like Halloween, Christmas, and Easter all rolled into one. Even the flerps are predicting that the sun will be visible for 24 hours, and pass to the south.
Oh yeah, mud flood buildings!
is there hidden track i'm supposed to wait for?
Hastings reminds me of downtown Baraboo…the best of the Midwest!
Bold of you to show all the irrefutable flat earth evidence starting at 4:48.
It's the first ever evidence of the underside of the flat earth.
Word salad just goes limp after a few days.
And quickly changes topics to move on to new word salad.
Are those old buildings in Hastings pre or post mud flood?🤪
1863 is approximately the date of my house - that's not "old" 😁
It looks a tad chilly there Mr Toonz.
Just preparing for Antarctica.
I love how Americans refer to building built in the early 1900s late 1800s old. On my way to work I drive past a pub that was built in the 1600s. Not having a dig, I just find it amusing.
Flerfs @ 3:30 - “ BUT I DONT WANNA GET DRESSED!”
Ohhhh. That truck didn't stop at the stop sign. Call 911.
Neither did that silver car.
time to put pressure on the flerths to PROVE their unprovable assertions
They don't care whether we believe them or not. Flatopian Fraud is a cult. Cults make no effort to prove their beliefs. All their energy is expended keeping honest, sane, moral, thinking people out and keeping their victims in by intimidation. They are a command and control totalitarian "society" not an information bureau.
Its called make-believe.
So, what happened to the old flerf argument that the horizon always rises to eye level? Enough of them start observing a dip in the horizon while using a theodolite or theodolite app, or something?
They are again moving the goalposts behind the horizon.
@@Amradar123 No hiding them "behind the vanishing point."
99% of flerfs think that eye level is just where your eyes are looking, making it a completely useless statement.
@@randyo.6138 That's why I try to say "horizontal" instead. Doesn't make any difference to the Flerfs though. They're like phone support staff from the Philippines required to check their brains at the door and read all responses from their piece of paper.
We can only convince normal, sane, moral, prudent and honest people science is where the truth lies. And we can give hem the ammunition to use next time they encounter Flatopian Flatulence.
That's it. Whether we use "eye level," "level" or "horizontal" means little. The Flatties will feign ignorance anyway.
Toonz showed those old buildings in Hastings but didn't debunk mud-flood ? Missed opportunity.
my town has buildings from 1860's along main street but the stores are mostly empty, even my house was build in 1889
It's Bono! He's about to destroy the flerfs
2:41 that truck ran the stop sign is what my brain is focusing on while you talk for some reaskn
I have an idea for a simple experiment you can do: have @FTFE or someone record the position of the Sun at the same time you will be seeing it in Antarctica and compare how those positions align on a flat earth and a rotating globe.
I thought the same. MCToon has viewers from all over the Globe, so we could get a lot of data points...
Use solar filters so you can see the sunspots. To prove it is the same thing and not a simulator.
@@ihcterra4625 Even with a solar filter I can't capture sunspots. I got the Mercury transit and a few ISS transits, but no sunspots or big flares.
@@tysondog843 someone in Australia would be ideal. Sun rise at that time of year is in the South East (already a problem for flat earth) but if Toon can see it at the same time (even assuming directions do align) then he would be looking over nearly the entire diameter of the world, killing fe sunrise/sunset explanation stone dead.
@@ClarenceOdbodyAS2 Yep. I was going to record the direction of Sunrise while they were at TFE anyway. If he, or anyone else wants to collect and plot the data, I'll be happy to send it to them.
"old" buildings, lol, laughs in British.
The excitement in your voice @ 0:50, when you said: "And then some of them provided ..." 😂
- "Evidence?"
- "Word salad!"
It's adorable that Americans marvel at "old" buildings from the 1800s
2:38 ,and other times, did those guys just drive straight through a stop sign?
What old buildings? :Þ
I've a 13th Century inn and some Roman ruins here.
Want to come and visit them?
They're not the oldest thing around here, but describing the older stuff might give away where I am.
This reminds me of when I would by CDs and the last track had like 5 minutes of silence and then there would be a bonus song... except... no bonus song :/
You have to view it backwards at double speed.
It is a montage of all flerf evidence ever presented.
@@ConspiracyToonz Didn't you already publish a video with 30 minutes of black screen at the end? We made the same joke in its comment section... 😆
@@ConspiracyToonz That much
Love Hastings, great town.
"Old buildings"? Those are practically brand new! Sorry, I'm a brit.
Word salads use up more calories on the tedious chewing than the calorific value of the tasteless ingredients.
Totally deficient in minerals and vitamins, they are best thrown straight on the compost heap of rotten rhetoric.
We could do with an actual definition of "horizon". Mostly we talk about the horizen when looking out to sea. It's obvious what we're talking about, and much of the disagreement is based on the distinction between flat and level. But what if there are mountains in the distance? Any calculations involving the horizen will depend on the mountains' distance and height. On a globe you know you can find places where a line of sight includes nothing but sea and sky. On a flat earth every line of sight includes the Antarctic wall. On an infinite plane there's bound to be a mountain in every direction, some of them higher than the wall.
Out of curiosity have you ever eaten at "The Busted Nut Bar & Grill"? that you walked by?
Not yet. But down the street there is The Quarry Taproom with an "Indoor Throwing Range". Good Burgers.
The Throwing range has a bunch of targets and you can buy a bucket-o-rocks to throw at the targets.
And they are, as we speak, hashing this over on Geo's server! Witsit & Co. hypothesizing all of the potential (appeal to potentialities?) reasons for why the horizon, as Witsit likes to claim, rises TOWARDS eye level, as if that's some kind of logical "get out of jail free" card. Seriously though, it's actually more fun to listen to the flerfs play conjecture toss up among themselves than to listen to anyone play debate games with them.
hah 3:40 you walk by a store named "The Busted Nut"
The Busted Nut Bar & Grill. I wonder what they serve.
@Per-ThoreStene rocky mountain oysters
Its incredible the human body can sustain itself on only word salad and crow
1863 building? My school's oldest surviving set of accounts is dated in the 1500s.